I do find it funny that Toriyama's favorite is Piccolo, but he gets shit on the most, and his least favorite is Vegeta, but he's by far the best written character in the series
@@SlightlyUsedRubberDuck very exciting for future super arcs. i mean the gammas were considered very strong and orange tanked the hit like absolutely nothing, love it
@@SlightlyUsedRubberDuckPiccolo has had it a long time coming. Strength wise , a Namekian will never rack in enough sales to justify more than a momentary advantage over Saiyans. Character wise, Vegeta is by far the most captivating and relatable. Being god tier is kind of common, is SS Broly a god? Is every individual who took a hit from SSB a god? No. Is it because Shenon gave him a tip for good service? Nah. But let’s pay respect to the fact they’ve never fought and how funny that would be to listen to Chris Sabat
Basically one of the pioneers of the reverse power creep. Goku had to throw literally everything at Vegeta and it still wasn't enough needing help. That's when a bad guy is at their best when you know they will lose but it won't be as simple as a last second lucky hit Heck if Vegeta didn't let his ego get the better of him. Him and nappa would have beat everyone before Goku got there and then tag team him and boom series ends.
its funnier when you think about how Goku exhausted himself with the kioken after their beam struggle, meaning if Vegeta didn't lose his shit and cut his power in half with the artifical moon technique. He would have murdered goku and had no trouble against Gohan and Krillin.
@@vixenxia2475Vegeta sis let his pride get to his head. If he was a bit more level headed him nappa and saibamen could clean up everything before Goku came over
That's the thing with Vegeta. When his head is clear (Once a decade), he's got perhaps the highest battle IQ in the series, which fits quite well alongside Bulma's techy streak. I mean, he could be the author of "The Art of War (In Space)" if his damn need to be dominant wasn't so ingrained. Had Goku's head trauma not occurred, Vegeta's Frieza-induced inferiority-phobia would have him as the most warped by a mile.
None of the Saiyans cared about their race, they cared about the *pride* of the race. This is a plot point hammered in since the beginning of Z, it was alien for a Saiyan to develop the concept of a "Friend" Goku was the oddball out, that's why losing a best friend was such a devastating experience.
I'd like to add, I think Vegeta had a bit of respect for Gohan and Krillian by Namek, 1st for the amazing fight they gave him and 2nd that they were brave enough to go to Namek....plus I think he low key wanted them to witness him obtaining immortality.
I dont think Trunks' super saiyan was weaker than Vegeta or Gokus, he just doesnt have the same combat instincts or experience they do as a result hes not weaker just unrefined and as such would be more exploitable.
I wonder if Goku saw the potential in Gohan for SSJ2 and THEN realized the best way to not get over run with anger, inorder to ascend, was to completly control SSJ
Probably saw the pathway in himself. On Namek against Frieza. He essentially accidentally unlocked Super Saiyan, only discovered it when Vegeta was dying & cried for him to avenge the race. Krillins death is what drove him MAD! The lsot & pain created an anger & rage that Goku never could have discovered on his own.
Literally he beat frieza and it was even flawless frieza couldn’t fight back at all or land a hit on him it’s was just the stupid writing that made frieza blow up the planet even though he was in front of vegeta who was still fresh while frieza had no energy left
Vegeta sparing Bulma and Krillin on Namek might actually come from place other than getting even for having been spared. Remember that at this point of the story, Frieza and his henchemen are scouting the planet to find high energy sources in order to spot Namekian villages to find the dragon balls. Knowing this, and knowing that Vegeta actually is a good strategist (as long as he's not in a fit of ego-related rage), he knew he had to keep it low to get under Frieza's radar. So I think that Vegeta spared Krillin and Bulma because it would have been a dangerous move in that situation just to get rid of foes that didn't represent any threat to him.
If you think about the Moro arc when Goku said that Vegeta learned something he could not or the fact Vegeta lasted longer his first time then Goku in the time chamber
@@LeronTurner-u5kexactly and remember goku had time to train before arriving to namek while vegeta rushed to namek without training yet he was still strong and managed to hold his own until frieza reached his final form imagine if vegeta had the same spaceship Goku used to reach namek. I dare to say he’s gonna go super saiyan faster than goku and kills frieza in that arc
Vegeta was always cold prior to Dragon Ball, just like any other Saiyan. Manga and sub states he just hated how the Saiyans were used and betrayed by Freeza.
One massive tidbit that showcases who Vegeta really was, is during his sacrifice against Majin Buu. He knew full well that we would be subjected to hell, eternal damnation, yet still pressed forward anyway. He willingly damned his own soul, in an effort to save what he cared about. That, right there, sealed his fate as a good guy.
Damn good video scholar not even 5 minutes in. People Always talk shit about Vegeta crying when Frieza killed him. You explained it exactly how I see it as it is. Vegeta after a literal lifetime of holding back any and all decent emotion. Even the fuckin genocide of his people. His spirit died totally I would've cried too that fight meant so much. The pride of an entire race along with all the countless other victims. Including the ones he created he routinely described Frieza as a monster.
vegeta knew that he would need to be strong just incase he was needed not to mention he knew gohan was getting to used to the peaceful times so he would have to pick up the slack no thought that goku was coming back he didnt know atall on this he wanted to truely test his power and to see what his strength was at him going to the tourny was purely to test his power and see what he could really do he was hoping gohan was gunna be in it and was hoping he hadnt gotten too soft plus he's a saiyan of royal blood good chance his royal blood compelled him to train so hard just to make sure he was the strongest altogether plus he wants to be strong to protect bulma and trunks the same reason gohan got back into training to protect videl and pan
I think Vegeta in the buu saga was little more relax but he might of had ptsd of trunks death maybe that's also a reason he went majin to rid of the guilt he had to trunk's death
I would have loved to see Vegeta training during the time skip actually thinking about Gohan in SSJ2 form with that dark smile walking down CELL. Would have been amazing to see.
I think majin Vegeta and Goku is representation of Vegeta fighting his old evil self goku is supposed to the current Vegeta and majin Vegeta is his old self and Vegeta mentioned how goku stole his honor i think that's old Vegeta talking about how he stole his pride and the old self version its like the old Vegeta is trying to restore himself and rid himself of emotions and he also views goku as himself
Great video. One small correction: Goku and Gohan learned to maintain SSJ even while alseep. At least in the anime. Goku falls asleep while fishing with Krillian and Gohan and Krillian remarks how Goku remains SSJ even while sleeping. To test this, he chucks a rock at the sleeping Goku and Goku gets hit and is confused why Krillian woke him with a rock.
The background music reminds me of the gba game DBZ: Legacy of Goku 2. I used to spend hours playing that game as a kid all the way to unlocking Hercule for the alternate ending.
Thanks For Talking On, The Saiyan Prince Vegeta Like Always Saiyan Scholar He Started As Saiyan Space Pirate Conquered By, Frieza's Mentally &, Ambition To Beat Anyone To, Develop Changes By, Goku Bulma, &, Future Trunks Vegeta Being, Rival / Friend, Lover, &, Father Towards The People That Love Him The Most Vegeta Role Models Would Be, Bardock &, Tien Because They Are Courageous & Got Pride As Warriors
DBS takes place 6 months after the buu saga it was retconned from the battle of gods movie so that way super would fit the timeline correctly and finish before the end of Z
Is cheating because goku died got to come back from the dead was taught a secret technique by the gods it wasn't natural to a saiyan vegeta used the tools he was born with his own strength
Let’s not forget that in the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo contributed to the Z fighters’ war against Nappa and Vegeta by destroying the moon earlier on, forcing Vegeta to resort to the artificial moon to weaken his base power level in return for a 10 times power multiplier
Kaio Ken is NOT a cheat code. It's uniting MIND AND BODY AS ONE TO BECOME STRONGER/FASTER , NATURAL. SSJ is NATURAL and not a cheat code. Cheating started with Vegeta going Majin💯
As much as gokus character in super being watered down. Vegeta on the other hand has the best character developement from prideful prince to a proud father and shows proud king qulities meeting his race from universe 6 . Vegeta's perfect ending is going to universe 6 and living as the king that he was destinated.
A lot of your presumptions are drawn from the (godawful) first Funimation dub and filler. Vegeta's tears stem from him having lost the will to fight due to 1) him not being a super Saiyan and 2) the monumental difference in power between Freeza and himself. It's spelled out quite plainly in the manga. And that speech in the first dub is extremely inaccurate. He made no excuses about "why he was so evil" or whatever, and thank God for that. Had he actually been crying about Freeza making him that way he'd have no hope for redemption. Vegeta didn't attack Cell out of frustration, it was rage. Trunks was killed before his eyes. No more, no less. A justified rage, but rage nonetheless. It was even selfish in a sense as he declared that only he could kill Cell. His first truly selfless act was exploding vs Buu in an attempt to clean up his mess. Yes yes, Goku shares some blame for indulging Vegeta but the largest portion of said blame rests solely on Vegeta's shoulders. Z Vegeta peaked on Namek. He was awful until Dragonball Super.
Why doesn't vegeta get as strong as goku and gohan? Because vegeta trained to get stronger the goku and cell. While goku and gohan trained to surpass their limits. That's what made goku a genius at martial arts, he didn't let pride tell him when to stop.
I think what many people have not interpreted correctly, or automatically assume, is they assume Oozaru is 10 times “ Base Form” I know I know, I hate the word too. I make an effort to say ‘Normal Form’ every time. This is not true. Oozaru is a saiyans power amplified 10 fold. It doesn’t matter if it’s a saiyan that can’t use Super Saiyan, or a saiyan that CAN. Vegetas statement specifically said that the Great Ape increases a saiyans power 10 fold. That is not…HE is not specifying that to “baaaase form” If we look at GT, this is the ONLY example we are ever given, ever, in anime, to derive any information from. And, Omega Shenron dodged his mouth blast. Whether that’s just gonna be chocked down to inconsistent or poor writing or not making sense, well to me that is SS2 Vegeta, times 10. Which is more than a SS3 Vegeta. And he dodged that mouth blast. Then Kakarot is acting like Vegeta is scary and a threat, and is grabbed and is being harmed by the ahha ‘fake squeezing’ while Vegeta is acting. Or so he claimed. Maybe he wasn’t acting, maybe it took him that long to regain control, but his prior experience with Bebi Vegeta and never mind in Saiyan Saga, makes it seem likely he was acting. Oozaru would be weaker than SS Vegeta otherwise. So it actually makes more sense that this was SS2 Vegeta times 10. Before going Golden, then before ascending to SS4. I don’t know if you’ve covered this in other videos, or if you’re about to say it further into the video, but… SS4 Vegeta: At long last, I've ascended.
Saiyan Scholar, would you do fellow dragon ball fans the favor of offering your opinion on the strength of Dragon Ball Heroes’ SSJ4 Gogeta Limit Breaker and LSSJ4 Limit Breaker Broly?
Hell, not even Vegeta training with Future Trunks, what if Piccolo took the time to train Future Trunks in the Room of Spirt and time instead of going in with with Vegeta? Vegeta would most likely end up more or less the same strength while Future Trunks with Piccolo's help might have mastered Super Saiyan and Piccolo would have been far stronger as well
Vegeta their was their for Trunks first 8 in da Buu saga Vegeta was training according to Bulma .the super EP 2 was for Vegeta if you weren't paying attention bcos Goku had EP1 N Buu saga Vegeta was married to Bulma n lived in da same house n Vegeta was different from the cell saga bcos they were a happy family they n also Japanese culture they don't hug like dat
Pride is also i lie. When you are stating you are proud to be (blank) its usually because (blank) portrayed in a bad light. Its purely a defensive statement. Nobody sane states they are proud of (blank) unprovoked. The fact Vegeta states he is proud of his bloodline unprovoked all the time shows to me just how much the death of his people truly broke his view of himself.
I used to get so annoyed when people said goku beat vegeta I always said no the good guys beat vegeta goku was done yeah he may have lost because of goku but it wasn't goku alone 1on1 vegeta stomped goku. Also I think if vegeta and goku fought before 19 and 20 and no heart virus I think vegeta would be stronger I feel like vegetas base would have been have been a little stronger due to training under 400 ×earth's gravity for so long.
Vegeta’s an elite saiyan so every form Goku achieves Vegeta achieves it better than him and even goku admitted when he said that Vegeta achieved god ki by his own he praised him for that
Vegeta the hypocrite. I never understood how he ran his mouth like a sociopath. I laughed liked Darth Sidious when Frieza beat him down and finished him. He put in work on namek , but as King Kai even stated, his bill was up when Frieza went to his final form. Letting Cell get to his final form, and what he did during the Buu saga didn't help.
Vegeta did cheat with oozaru using some technique to force the change rather than naturally with a moon with a 10x boost with no negatives while kaioken was a double edge sword.
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I do find it funny that Toriyama's favorite is Piccolo, but he gets shit on the most, and his least favorite is Vegeta, but he's by far the best written character in the series
Toriyama clearly keeps all the spicy Piccolo AUs for himself
Bro piccolo is literally a god rn
@@SlightlyUsedRubberDuck very exciting for future super arcs. i mean the gammas were considered very strong and orange tanked the hit like absolutely nothing, love it
@@SlightlyUsedRubberDuckPiccolo has had it a long time coming. Strength wise , a Namekian will never rack in enough sales to justify more than a momentary advantage over Saiyans. Character wise, Vegeta is by far the most captivating and relatable. Being god tier is kind of common, is SS Broly a god? Is every individual who took a hit from SSB a god? No. Is it because Shenon gave him a tip for good service? Nah. But let’s pay respect to the fact they’ve never fought and how funny that would be to listen to Chris Sabat
It shows that Akira has never had a good grasp on the series he created that is so dearly loved.
when vegeta said "he must die by saiyan hands" he didn't knew that his son would kill frieza
Basically one of the pioneers of the reverse power creep. Goku had to throw literally everything at Vegeta and it still wasn't enough needing help. That's when a bad guy is at their best when you know they will lose but it won't be as simple as a last second lucky hit
Heck if Vegeta didn't let his ego get the better of him. Him and nappa would have beat everyone before Goku got there and then tag team him and boom series ends.
its funnier when you think about how Goku exhausted himself with the kioken after their beam struggle, meaning if Vegeta didn't lose his shit and cut his power in half with the artifical moon technique.
He would have murdered goku and had no trouble against Gohan and Krillin.
@@vixenxia2475Vegeta sis let his pride get to his head. If he was a bit more level headed him nappa and saibamen could clean up everything before Goku came over
That's the thing with Vegeta. When his head is clear (Once a decade), he's got perhaps the highest battle IQ in the series, which fits quite well alongside Bulma's techy streak. I mean, he could be the author of "The Art of War (In Space)" if his damn need to be dominant wasn't so ingrained. Had Goku's head trauma not occurred, Vegeta's Frieza-induced inferiority-phobia would have him as the most warped by a mile.
You have a deep understanding of the franchise as a whole. As a 30 year old super fan, I appreciate your deep dives into the series.
This sums up my feelings as well. Very good stuff here.
I agree 100%
Vegeta in the buu saga was his best character development but overall vegeta had some of the best development out there
and then theres gt which extends that even further
Yes Vegeta was late to Trunks' life. But by Saiyan standards, that's pretty good. Saiyans didn't raise their children at all back on Planet Vegeta.
None of the Saiyans cared about their race, they cared about the *pride* of the race.
This is a plot point hammered in since the beginning of Z, it was alien for a Saiyan to develop the concept of a "Friend"
Goku was the oddball out, that's why losing a best friend was such a devastating experience.
Beautiful essay. I love Vegeta's development through DBZ
I'd like to add, I think Vegeta had a bit of respect for Gohan and Krillian by Namek, 1st for the amazing fight they gave him and 2nd that they were brave enough to go to Namek....plus I think he low key wanted them to witness him obtaining immortality.
This presentation is very well thought out.
The Saiyan Ego is the main nerf that keeps Vegeta from being broken
I dont think Trunks' super saiyan was weaker than Vegeta or Gokus, he just doesnt have the same combat instincts or experience they do as a result hes not weaker just unrefined and as such would be more exploitable.
I wonder if Goku saw the potential in Gohan for SSJ2 and THEN realized the best way to not get over run with anger, inorder to ascend, was to completly control SSJ
Probably saw the pathway in himself. On Namek against Frieza. He essentially accidentally unlocked Super Saiyan, only discovered it when Vegeta was dying & cried for him to avenge the race.
Krillins death is what drove him MAD! The lsot & pain created an anger & rage that Goku never could have discovered on his own.
THIS is magnificent analysis of a phenomenal character's story arc. OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But Vegeta, with the mustache is the greatest of all time
"I shaved my moostache you idiot!"
I disagree
I agree, bruh would have looked so damn clean with SSJ4.
@@r.e.z9428 lol mustache hair going super sayain also 😂
Facts
They did vegeta so dirty at the end of ressurection f.
Literally he beat frieza and it was even flawless frieza couldn’t fight back at all or land a hit on him it’s was just the stupid writing that made frieza blow up the planet even though he was in front of vegeta who was still fresh while frieza had no energy left
There's no such thing as cheating in a life or death fight. Use what you know to win. The result is the most important thing.
kicking your opponent in the balls is indeed cheating i rather die then win in such an unhonorable way
@diegolopez4339 No such thing as honor in a life or death fight
Great descript of Vegeta 👍🏿
Remember when super saiyan meant something? I miss those days...
Dude I love this... vegeta is the best kost relatable most inspiring character ever.. make more vegeta videos..
Vegeta sparing Bulma and Krillin on Namek might actually come from place other than getting even for having been spared.
Remember that at this point of the story, Frieza and his henchemen are scouting the planet to find high energy sources in order to spot Namekian villages to find the dragon balls.
Knowing this, and knowing that Vegeta actually is a good strategist (as long as he's not in a fit of ego-related rage), he knew he had to keep it low to get under Frieza's radar.
So I think that Vegeta spared Krillin and Bulma because it would have been a dangerous move in that situation just to get rid of foes that didn't represent any threat to him.
If Vegeta had Goku’s mindset, he would progress so fast, Goku would get left in the dust so fast
If you think about the Moro arc when Goku said that Vegeta learned something he could not or the fact Vegeta lasted longer his first time then Goku in the time chamber
@@LeronTurner-u5kexactly and remember goku had time to train before arriving to namek while vegeta rushed to namek without training yet he was still strong and managed to hold his own until frieza reached his final form imagine if vegeta had the same spaceship Goku used to reach namek. I dare to say he’s gonna go super saiyan faster than goku and kills frieza in that arc
Vegeta was always cold prior to Dragon Ball, just like any other Saiyan. Manga and sub states he just hated how the Saiyans were used and betrayed by Freeza.
One massive tidbit that showcases who Vegeta really was, is during his sacrifice against Majin Buu. He knew full well that we would be subjected to hell, eternal damnation, yet still pressed forward anyway. He willingly damned his own soul, in an effort to save what he cared about.
That, right there, sealed his fate as a good guy.
In the future timeline, I’m surprised Gohan and Trunks never trained with Master Roshi
I think androids searched for Goku and this was like the 1st place to look for him
Awesome video bro!!! Vegeta is the reason i watch dragon ball
Damn good video scholar not even 5 minutes in. People Always talk shit about Vegeta crying when Frieza killed him. You explained it exactly how I see it as it is. Vegeta after a literal lifetime of holding back any and all decent emotion. Even the fuckin genocide of his people. His spirit died totally I would've cried too that fight meant so much. The pride of an entire race along with all the countless other victims. Including the ones he created he routinely described Frieza as a monster.
How do you keep uploading banger after banger???
Awesome vid as always!
vegeta knew that he would need to be strong just incase he was needed not to mention he knew gohan was getting to used to the peaceful times so he would have to pick up the slack no thought that goku was coming back he didnt know atall on this he wanted to truely test his power and to see what his strength was at him going to the tourny was purely to test his power and see what he could really do he was hoping gohan was gunna be in it and was hoping he hadnt gotten too soft plus he's a saiyan of royal blood good chance his royal blood compelled him to train so hard just to make sure he was the strongest altogether plus he wants to be strong to protect bulma and trunks the same reason gohan got back into training to protect videl and pan
Fantastic Video!🔥 Keep up the great work. I really enjoy your content!👍
Vegeta has the greatest character arc in all of Z
I think Vegeta in the buu saga was little more relax but he might of had ptsd of trunks death maybe that's also a reason he went majin to rid of the guilt he had to trunk's death
I just came here to say Vegeta is Widows Peak
I would have loved to see Vegeta training during the time skip actually thinking about Gohan in SSJ2 form with that dark smile walking down CELL. Would have been amazing to see.
Great video 👍
>peak
Widow's peak. The peak of arch-rivals. Dude is UNDEFEATED against both (BOTH) MC's. He is truly not a rival, but a NEMESIS.
I think majin Vegeta and Goku is representation of Vegeta fighting his old evil self goku is supposed to the current Vegeta and majin Vegeta is his old self and Vegeta mentioned how goku stole his honor i think that's old Vegeta talking about how he stole his pride and the old self version its like the old Vegeta is trying to restore himself and rid himself of emotions and he also
views goku as himself
Great video. One small correction: Goku and Gohan learned to maintain SSJ even while alseep. At least in the anime. Goku falls asleep while fishing with Krillian and Gohan and Krillian remarks how Goku remains SSJ even while sleeping. To test this, he chucks a rock at the sleeping Goku and Goku gets hit and is confused why Krillian woke him with a rock.
The background music reminds me of the gba game DBZ: Legacy of Goku 2. I used to spend hours playing that game as a kid all the way to unlocking Hercule for the alternate ending.
Bulma show vegeta a little more than just kindness 😉
Ive been saying for year that vegeta lost due to not being able to sense ki… thank u for saying this !!!
My favorite Vegeta is GT mustache dad Vegeta. It just feels right that he'd end up like that.
Thanks For Talking On, The Saiyan Prince Vegeta Like Always Saiyan Scholar
He Started As Saiyan Space Pirate Conquered By, Frieza's Mentally &, Ambition To Beat Anyone To, Develop Changes By, Goku Bulma, &, Future Trunks Vegeta Being, Rival / Friend, Lover, &, Father Towards The People That Love Him The Most
Vegeta Role Models Would Be, Bardock &, Tien
Because They Are Courageous & Got Pride As Warriors
DBS takes place 6 months after the buu saga it was retconned from the battle of gods movie so that way super would fit the timeline correctly and finish before the end of Z
Vegeta is the GOAT
This was a battle, not a sparing match. There is no such thing as cheating
Is cheating because goku died got to come back from the dead was taught a secret technique by the gods it wasn't natural to a saiyan vegeta used the tools he was born with his own strength
@@inyourgranmaass3605 Show me the rulebook
Vegeta is our guy no matter what!
Vegeta is my favorite character tbh
Gohan and goku are stronger in their saiyan, because they trained together better. Trunks and vegeta were still practically strangers.
Hmmm I thought the events of Geets taking his fam to the park was 6 months after the end of Buu saga?🤔
You know man is a Vegeta stan when he doesnt evenacknowledges the Semi-Perfect incident
Let’s not forget that in the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo contributed to the Z fighters’ war against Nappa and Vegeta by destroying the moon earlier on, forcing Vegeta to resort to the artificial moon to weaken his base power level in return for a 10 times power multiplier
"Dragon Ball Z Vegeta is PEAK"
... Widow's PEAK!
sorry, had too.
Yeah, Z Vegeta is peak because they did him dirty in Super.
Kaio Ken is NOT a cheat code. It's uniting MIND AND BODY AS ONE TO BECOME STRONGER/FASTER , NATURAL. SSJ is NATURAL and not a cheat code. Cheating started with Vegeta going Majin💯
As much as gokus character in super being watered down. Vegeta on the other hand has the best character developement from prideful prince to a proud father and shows proud king qulities meeting his race from universe 6 . Vegeta's perfect ending is going to universe 6 and living as the king that he was destinated.
I still want a mini-series of Vegeta, with 17 and 18 where they do random cool sh!T and be constant snark-factories to everyone around them.
Dang brother i love vegeta but you did our boy goku dirty in the saiyan saga xD
Yes, he is the Prince of all Widows Peaks
This title is like saying “Star Wars is peak Luke Skywalker”
A lot of your presumptions are drawn from the (godawful) first Funimation dub and filler. Vegeta's tears stem from him having lost the will to fight due to 1) him not being a super Saiyan and 2) the monumental difference in power between Freeza and himself. It's spelled out quite plainly in the manga. And that speech in the first dub is extremely inaccurate. He made no excuses about "why he was so evil" or whatever, and thank God for that. Had he actually been crying about Freeza making him that way he'd have no hope for redemption.
Vegeta didn't attack Cell out of frustration, it was rage. Trunks was killed before his eyes. No more, no less. A justified rage, but rage nonetheless. It was even selfish in a sense as he declared that only he could kill Cell. His first truly selfless act was exploding vs Buu in an attempt to clean up his mess. Yes yes, Goku shares some blame for indulging Vegeta but the largest portion of said blame rests solely on Vegeta's shoulders.
Z Vegeta peaked on Namek. He was awful until Dragonball Super.
Pain is not what you know, pain is what you refuse to accept.
Goku vs vegeta in the saiyan saga is top 10 anime fights ever
Why doesn't vegeta get as strong as goku and gohan? Because vegeta trained to get stronger the goku and cell. While goku and gohan trained to surpass their limits. That's what made goku a genius at martial arts, he didn't let pride tell him when to stop.
I thought gt vegeta was peak
No he was a peek
He's above peak. The heavenly clouds above the mountain top.
@@SaiyanScholar ahh ok makes sense
"Perfect"
I think what many people have not interpreted correctly, or automatically assume, is they assume Oozaru is 10 times “ Base Form”
I know I know, I hate the word too. I make an effort to say ‘Normal Form’ every time.
This is not true. Oozaru is a saiyans power amplified 10 fold. It doesn’t matter if it’s a saiyan that can’t use Super Saiyan, or a saiyan that CAN. Vegetas statement specifically said that the Great Ape increases a saiyans power 10 fold. That is not…HE is not specifying that to “baaaase form”
If we look at GT, this is the ONLY example we are ever given, ever, in anime, to derive any information from. And, Omega Shenron dodged his mouth blast. Whether that’s just gonna be chocked down to inconsistent or poor writing or not making sense, well to me that is SS2 Vegeta, times 10. Which is more than a SS3 Vegeta. And he dodged that mouth blast.
Then Kakarot is acting like Vegeta is scary and a threat, and is grabbed and is being harmed by the ahha ‘fake squeezing’ while Vegeta is acting. Or so he claimed. Maybe he wasn’t acting, maybe it took him that long to regain control, but his prior experience with Bebi Vegeta and never mind in Saiyan Saga, makes it seem likely he was acting.
Oozaru would be weaker than SS Vegeta otherwise.
So it actually makes more sense that this was SS2 Vegeta times 10. Before going Golden, then before ascending to SS4. I don’t know if you’ve covered this in other videos, or if you’re about to say it further into the video, but…
SS4 Vegeta: At long last, I've ascended.
Mustache vegeta is the best vegeta he became a good man you should check it out.
Saiyan Scholar, would you do fellow dragon ball fans the favor of offering your opinion on the strength of Dragon Ball Heroes’ SSJ4 Gogeta Limit Breaker and LSSJ4 Limit Breaker Broly?
Rip Toriyama
Hell, not even Vegeta training with Future Trunks, what if Piccolo took the time to train Future Trunks in the Room of Spirt and time instead of going in with with Vegeta? Vegeta would most likely end up more or less the same strength while Future Trunks with Piccolo's help might have mastered Super Saiyan and Piccolo would have been far stronger as well
I thought gt vegeta was peak ?
Two mountains. Two peaks.
mc widows peak
Trunk’s literally learned from his mentor Gohan in the future not from Vegeta
Vegeta their was their for Trunks first 8 in da Buu saga Vegeta was training according to Bulma .the super EP 2 was for Vegeta if you weren't paying attention bcos Goku had EP1 N Buu saga Vegeta was married to Bulma n lived in da same house n Vegeta was different from the cell saga bcos they were a happy family they n also Japanese culture they don't hug like dat
Especially buu saga
Pride is also i lie. When you are stating you are proud to be (blank) its usually because (blank) portrayed in a bad light. Its purely a defensive statement. Nobody sane states they are proud of (blank) unprovoked. The fact Vegeta states he is proud of his bloodline unprovoked all the time shows to me just how much the death of his people truly broke his view of himself.
i never looked at Vegeta like this. it is so obvious now. 😂
How was he able to survive in space
Mans said vegeta 😭
The only peak Vegeta is is a widows. Her name in Bulmas
Goku is breathing cause PLOT
Crazy how Toriyama's least favorite character is the only one with an arc.
While Vegeta may be annoying when he achieved Super Saiyan, but in Dragon Ball Z Vegeta is HIM.
I used to get so annoyed when people said goku beat vegeta I always said no the good guys beat vegeta goku was done yeah he may have lost because of goku but it wasn't goku alone 1on1 vegeta stomped goku. Also I think if vegeta and goku fought before 19 and 20 and no heart virus I think vegeta would be stronger I feel like vegetas base would have been have been a little stronger due to training under 400 ×earth's gravity for so long.
Vegeta’s an elite saiyan so every form Goku achieves Vegeta achieves it better than him and even goku admitted when he said that Vegeta achieved god ki by his own he praised him for that
If vegeta took everyone out instead of waiting he would have won
Why do people refer to Kaiken as cheat code ?
Vegeta the hypocrite. I never understood how he ran his mouth like a sociopath. I laughed liked Darth Sidious when Frieza beat him down and finished him. He put in work on namek , but as King Kai even stated, his bill was up when Frieza went to his final form. Letting Cell get to his final form, and what he did during the Buu saga didn't help.
super manga vegeta is the goat
I’ll come back later, 13:10.
I think as a consensus, DBZ was peak
For me vegeta is the main character of dragon ball and he should defeat freiza
Vegeta could never be the main character kakarot>Vegeta the man is literally a walking L he got more L’s than yamcha
You mean Vegeta has a peak, a busted ass widows peak😂
Super Vegeta> Z Vegeta
Vegeta did cheat with oozaru using some technique to force the change rather than naturally with a moon with a 10x boost with no negatives while kaioken was a double edge sword.
The ball was his own power. Stop it.
@@SaiyanScholar His own power? Like the ki spam attack? It was learned and it gave an unfair advantage even more so than kaioken. 10x no backlash
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Yeah vegeta was angry to use that against what he sees as saiyan low level trash.
Nah dude. GT was him at his best.
Not as peak his hairline, if you know what I mean.
Dam right
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