@@TheJackiMonster I wonder why there isn't an ARM desktop distro that uses either POSH or Plasma Mobile? That makes a lot more sense, even though Ubuntu touch is a thing.
@@MastermindAtWork Well, I personally don't like how Phosh scales on horizontal screens and desktops for example. It's good for mobile form factor but otherwise it would feel like Android on desktop (I wouldn't use that either ^^'). So I would probably put GNOME on a tablet with attachable keyboard. I use it on a 2-in-1 laptop and it's performing pretty good as a tablet-like device with touchscreen input. However if the efforts with GNOME shell for mobile form factor improve, it might even replace Phosh. Because then you had one desktop environment across all form factors which would be pretty neat for sharing optimizations and feature parity.
Its really important that this thing gets Fedora support (or any other distro that supports ARM). Then everyone who pre-orders can just use it forever and isn't dependent on manufacturers which also will help sales and therefore the startup
If the tablet runs GNOME while the pen works properly with low latency, this would be really good for drawing digitally. ^^ I hope this tablet ages better than the JingPad. Would be neat to see a Linux based tablet.
Spat out my coffee when you mentioned the Rockchip used. That is PERFECT! I ordered a FriendlyElec NanoPi R6s with a pretty similiar - if not the same - chip in it and I have since dug into Rockchip's open source stuff; custom FFMPEG builds with their integrated hw accels, open source linux modules to integrate their architecture and many other neat things. This is great stuff! I can totally see people throwing together a Ubuntu/Fedora/Whatever install by baking in those Rockchip components and thus making them play nice together! But that said, I am very happy to see that Fyde offers local accounts and thus being largely detached from their Ecosystem. ChromeOS is a better Tablet experience than Android on a tablet imHo as well - and there are neat little things one can do with that. Honestly, I'm down. Going to sign up for Indegogo, I want one, period.
I do feel that you shouldn't loose to much linux performance from containers and could be pretty viable. Its so refreshing to see that ChromeOS variants merge the android and linux experience in a single OS, as it seems to bridge the gaps that people might experience switching to linux
You mostly lose performance from the lack of graphical acceleration passthrough. I believe there is some support for OpenGL 2.6 or 2.7, and that's about it
@@TheLinuxEXP From the video, it looks like you mostly used it with the non-open source version of FydeOS. Any idea if the open source variant has the same EULA and privacy policy? Any other downsides to the open source version other than its still mostly developed by Google?
To me, the main issue with this type of OS is that it's just a fork of a Google thing. I need a tactile Open Source OS with Firefox and Libreoffice, and I need them to run well, not like dying slugs ! If it runs Android apps, it's nice, awesome ! But we need to be able to install flatpaks, compile, use appimages etc... and have it run well ! Pure "tablets" the way GAFAMs intend it means total control over your device, your data.
@@TheLinuxEXP Yeah I'm in southeast America, if it isn't AA or AAA it doesn't exist lol. So I would have to order them online and wait for shipping if my stylus dies
it's either eSIM or a SIM tray or both; I do wish more tablets came with that option but maybe as a business option? I specifically got a Surface Tablet (SG3) with WiFi and Cellular capabilities because I do intend on using it for either a Linux based business affair or something of the sort (I'm just not 100% on wiping out Windows from the system itself).
Yeah, this tablet would absolutely shine with Fedora / GNOME Mobile on it, but it looks like it's pretty early in development. It performs pretty well in FydeOS, but something about a Google-based distro that makes me irk, their UI looks atrocious
I really like the MS Surface form factor for a home PC. This looks promising, I hope it succeeds. I wish it wasn't a chrome OS layout, but a great start.
I built something similar to this using a surface pro tablet and Fedora using the surface kernel available. A little more grunt running a standard Intel CPU but at the same time it is a surface device so it still has those limitations when it comes to drivers, so far though the only thing not working is the camera
@@drishalballaney6590 if it was something I had to buy I probably would have gone with an xps as they're one of the better built 2 in 1s available. I work as a PC repair tech and ended up with the surface from a customer that didn't want it back after an upgrade.
Wow! This looks great. Now, my mind is racing and have all sorts of questions but will wait to see how it all plays out. Seems as if FydeOS chose a great way to tackle immediate software support. I’m looking into FydeOS after I’m done with this comment. I got burned with pinebook pro. So, now we have Steamdeck, Tuxedo Computers, and now what appears to be a great tablet. Only thing missing is a great phone.Unless someone else has run across one I’m unaware of. That will make one hell of a linux ecosystem!
@@swift7169 At the time I looked into it, it was marketed as a great alternative to a chromebook on the website. Reviewers and the like touted it as such. In actuality, it is a hobbyist tinker toy. The engineering as far as I’m concerned was shoddy. Battery drain while the unit was plugged in (find me another device that actually does this). NVMe drives also caused massive drain. Apparently, you have to jump through hoops to get it to minimize battery drain. Even then it was high. There were only certain drives that worked with it properly. Bootloader issues Buzzing in speakers when certain usb devices were connected. Sometimes loudly. I tried undoing an install of a different os and ending up bricking it permanently. The sd card crapped out. now a brick because I have no way to boot the machine back up. I’ve bricked devices before but always manage to undo the bricking. It was one big nightmare. They have now updated the website to reflect that is for hobbyists and such and clearly delineate who the device is more geared towards.
@@lukaslykus9599 i have to add that it not quite 'perfect' quite yet (you can't lock the bootloader, hotspot activation is a lil janky) but still daily drivable . Just don't expect to run android apps (waydroid is available but is very much a work in progress) or apt (there's a container for that) xd
I feel like they should send a couple of units to RedHat, Canoical and System76 so that Fedora, Ubuntu and PopOS with GNOME and Unity can be put on them immediately. Holy moly that $600 USD price tag though.
As someone who was incredibly hyped for Jingpad, I feel like this more sensible start will work better in the longer run. Crossing my fingers that we get a good community around it.
the video playback is not working probably because the system doesn´t come with closed source media codecs just like Fedora. It's easily downloadable through the RPM fusion repos tho. I don´t know how one would come around this for Fyde OS.
Hello sir, I bought old HP tablet, runs with windows 10 home 64-bit with 4gb ddr3 ram and 128 gb storage. I installed mint OS bsed on debian ... It is amazing and all the features are working perfectly 😊
I just don’t get how someone hasn’t tried to do a full push as the anti-apple with the same level of hardware design. Launch the phone, desktop OS/laptop, and watch all at once with a full iCloud replacement and release that to everyone. Android, iOS, windows, Linux, everywhere. Add in a killer feature (native performance level android app support with an in house app store would be an interesting) that you keep,exclusive to the OS but not the hardware. Optimize for Proton gaming. Like, the story of Mac OS is the story of a Unix compliment OS that was lucked into mass acceptance because other sections of the company happened to become prototype idealized versions of entire product categories (iPod and iPhone) and is able to leverage those products. Anti-Apple won’t be able to be so lucky, but if the hardware is good and attractive and has compelling features, it could see adoption. At the very least it would make Linux more compelling.
Fantastic as a degoogled tablet! But it's not FOSS by default, and makes people think you're using ChromeOS. From a privacy or FOSS perspective, these are huge failures. I specifically chose the Gnome DE (which I do enjoy using) so people know that something is different with my laptop. A computer built for windows (or built for linux ;) are both better as fully fledged desktop computers.
Too bad about the stylus. No pressure sensitivity and a big lag as I can see on your test. Unusable to draw. Thanks for testing this part, I was really interested in it. Artist on Linux still don't have any equivalent to Ipad Pro technology (10 years old).
I've recently put custom firmware on my Chromebook and installed Ubuntu 22.04. It works great, other than the speakers not working at all. I wonder if openFyde would be a better choice for it 🤔
Honestly, this is the best looking normal consumer ARM device I've seen for Linux. Even compared to some Android tablets, this thing looks like it kicks serious butt!
A 12" 4:3 ultralight with cellular service and an open OS is a dream mobile driver for me, except that Surface form factor is a deal breaker. If we ever see all those boxes checked in a lap-friendly shape, I'm all over it.
You get the “like” Nick. Here is why: - I’m concerned that my freedom to use my devices will be (more) threatened by Big Tech as time goes on - I currently use an iPad Pro, a Lenovo Yoga 920 & an iPhone 13 Pro. Trying to replace all that and the apps I use with Linux devices is a daunting challenge if you’re not already a “Linux guy” - While I have used Linux in the past I couldn’t give up apps I used on other platforms - Keeping track of hardware and software in the Linux/Chrome world is a full time job So I really appreciate this kind of content. I got to see that there is hope for some cool touch-capable hardware and that I might be able to replace some of the apps I use most. If someone builds a touchscreen laptop that I can run a VM with Windows 10 under Linux… well, that might be the ticket!
Not a word on repairability? I've been looking for a tablet I can easily take apart and fix AND fully supports Linux. Upgradeability, on the other hand, seems close to zero. I know it's a lot to ask from a tablet, but I would love to see them at least try.
If they can make the hardware actually work and they deliver on everything being open (with the ability to completely disable telemetry-I'm not going to be in the habit of trusting any corporation ever again, sorry), then I am likely to buy one of these when they hit the market. I find myself very much wanting a working tablet device, but I don't really use my Samsung device. I can't disable its spyware, I can't really install anything else on it, and even if I could I couldn't secure what I'd installed against a rogue device exploiting the bootloader. It should be my decision what gets flashed on to my device, not someone else's, and once I have flashed it the way I want it, I should be able to prevent unauthorized modification of my device outside of the OS.
A tablet with a separate keyboard could run in Portrait mode , if a suitable connector was available., and the stand was configured. That would make it so much more natural as a reading machine.
Hey Nick, great presentation of what looks like a product that still needs work.. I am thinking about a Tuxedo desktop computer any suggestions on the Linux OS & CPU, GPU for general game play? What's your go to Desk Top Config. from this Company? Interested to Know...
Aside from the keyboard layout (no track button in the middle and no left/right click buttons at the top of touch pad) and the processor (mine is an i7) , this thing is an almost exact copy of the gen 1 Lenovo TP X12 Detachable that I've been using for a few months. Makes me think that this device is OEM'd by Lenovo. If so, be wary of the detachable keyboard. The pins that make the electrical connection between the tablet and KB are VERY sensitive and easily broken. I've already had to replace it because some of the pins broke off, rendering the KB useless. Also, the battery life on the pen is abysmal and the replacement battery a bit hard to find locally, even in the major city where I live. Apart from that and the fact that I've forced to use Windows on it because of work, it's a really nice tablet. I can use it as a laptop at my desk and quickly turn it into a table for carrying around on job sites to review drawings. Once I'm done using it for business I've been planning on turning into a Linux box (Fedora/Gnome, which I use on both my personal machines), so this is a timely video. Keep up the good work.
Well, I think this might be a better option than the tablets available in the market right now, But the thing that it doesn't come with Linux out of the box and doesn't even fully support Linux (I can't even say barely!) is a big problem for me. I keep hopping for a tablet with Linux support like the Steam Deck, in my vision it comes with a stylus that works good as Apple Pen and touch screen that works great with Linux, basically I want Steam Deck without the controllers with stylus that works great on it (like the Apple Pen) and bigger screen. Just like you I'd prefer it to be with GNOME DE but if it'll be Plasma like the Steam Deck I wouldn't mind.
5:12 i think that for taking note and draw and this type of tablet is better to just use it on the table without the stand at least that is what i do with my surface go
I would love to see support for Arch based distros, because then you can put vanilla kde on it and then install Plasma Mobile from the AUR side by side. I honestly hope it gets support for more than Manjaro; I know Endeavour has support. I would also love to see support for modified Debian distros like MX Linux and Sparky in the AARCH64 space, as having just Ubuntu and Debian on that end is a little frustrating. I'm not a fan of Parrot OS, or using Q4OS outside of specific circumstances (works great as a PoS/inventory system, office computer for word processing, or an easy file server, but for personal or workstation use I prefer more up to date systems than Debian Stable), but that's another issue.
they need gnome support. That, together With a little bit better stylus, this has the potential to become the go to for artists and creators. Imagine running video editing, sound editing software on this on the go. Either this tab needs a bump in the accessories - like a lot. Or the price needs to come down for people to buy it. Ofc this is not the final product, so there will be glitches. But this needs a lot to justify the price point. While windows is trying its own janky merger of desktop with android, a seamless linux merger with android (which shouldnt be that hard imo) would be a dream come true. I really really really wanted something like that when win7 support ended. I ended up installing linux on the old one, buying a tab and a new laptop for the long haul ( i really invested). Maybe this will be around and able to accomplish what I want when it is time for me to change my machine(s) again.
I wanted one until I saw the EMMC which is a no go for me. I would be willing to pay extra for an SSD option but it seems the Rockchip CPU doesn’t support booting from a NVME drive only from SD card or EMMC. I guess we will have to keep waiting. I was genuinely excited about this then researched the possibility of an SSD in it but it’s the SOC holding it back since it can’t boot from that storage medium. Sure you could hack it like the Pinebook pro but UBoot always breaks on the NVME and it’s a Rockchip Rk3399 which is the same family of SOC just and older generation. But if you are fine with spinning hard drive speeds then this will be a cool device to own.
Thanks for the video. Interesting product. The easy way to get a Linux tablet is to buy a Windows tablet and replace the OS. I''ve done that with a Lenovo Ideapad Duet 3i. This is a fairly weak tablet + keyboard sold at a great discount by the Microsoft Store in Canada (less than US$140). I installed Fedora 37 (Gnome). The biggest letdown is how terrible the on-screen keyboard (OSK). It takes up the bottom third of the screen, with most of the width being wasted. In most cases it provides no access to control keys or other keys not associated with graphics. I tried KDE Plasma and the situation was even worse: no OSK for the current version. Yikes. Without a good OSK a tablet OS is a non-starter for me. ChromeOS seems to have a good OSK. You can even drag it arround so that it doesn't prevent you seeing anything on the screen. Bad news: the ChromeOS OSK does not work with graphical programs running in a container Linux. If you have to use a keyboard with a tablet, and the tablet has a kickstand, this is in no way superior to a clamshell. Kickstands are horribly awkward in a lap use. The only advantage of a kickstand is that the keyboard can be made dtachable. But that isn't an advantage if other reasons force the use of a keyboard all the time. PS: I'm typing this on a very nice ChromeBook (ThinkPad Yoga c13). I don't find it horrible. But I do wish it ran Fedora.
Thanks for writing your experience with the Duet 3i, I saw that on sale locally and wondered about using GNOME on such a low-powered x86 device. Have you tried setting the screen to a portrait resolution, and if you did, how was the OSK usage in that orientation? I suppose there's also the possibility of running ChromeOS Flex on it, but like with your Yoga c13, the experience would still probably be far from ideal. Here's hoping the GNOME devs focus more on making their DE a more tablet-friendly experience, in future releases. 😔
> It's a container, it's never going to be speedy. A container is not a VM. You're not running a computer inside a computer, you're compartmentalizing processes. There's no added layer of emulation, but rather "these processes can only see this subset of the system". I'm not sure if Linux is in some sort of subsystem, that could indeed hurt performance. But, remember, containers are always as fast as any other Linux process.
I have been thinking about it lately, why doesnt Fedora makes a chrome os like version with silverblue? think about it, all of the fedora silverblue limitations are for linux users (no acces to rpm packages without reboot) but for a chromebook user? thats an advantage! It would destroy chrome os flex in every single way, you would still have a rock solid immutable image os that you can upgrade always with confidence because the update (new image) is currated by the developers, you will still have acces to linux apps through flatpak and because its not a container inside a VM it will be faster (like I said its for chrome os users, so linux users that are saying "but my cli app is not in flatpak!" this is not for you and you could just use distrobox(if the fedora devs could make a integration of distrobox to be like crostini on chrome os (basically auto .desktop export to host on install)that would be top notch)) and if on top of that you add android support via preinstalled waydroid with gapps (playstore) you can even be on chromeos level, hell Fedora could even partner with some hardware vendor to make a Chromebook like device! What do you guys think? I have always heard the "Fedora silverblue is perfect for developers" point of view but what about this "for chrome os users" one?
Without official Google certification, this tablet won’t be able to play most commercial streaming services in more than SD. The blessing, that is DRM.
I recently acquired a dell xps 13 2in1 tablet with the desirable 3:2 aspect ratio. Would you expect the FydeOS used on the reviewed FydeTab Duo platform, in my case the intel iris xe variant supporting use on an i7-1250u based platform, to be a better experience than current windows 11 support for 2in1 tablet/laptop form factors?
A bit off topic but have you looked at the new "VanillaOS" distro? Would love to get your thought on it, I was looing to switch from Fedora to it after the whole Fedora GPU issue and want something that has Gnome as is... Thanks!
Reusing existing tablet hardware with a Linux distro that provides full tablet support has several benefits: Reduced landfill of decent Windows 10 touchscreen tablet hardware that has been made obsolete by Windows 11 requirements, cost savings for the user buying pre-owned or repurposing the hardware they already own and choice over various hardware configurations on offer. Zorin OS Pro comes close to that, I've found. No benefit, affiliation or incentive to me.
Fedora would have worked better on this, it has power profile installed by default, supports hidpi and gnome (on wayland) is miles ahead of others in terms of touchscreen experience
That's a Chrome OS/Android tablet for sure (two times heavier). Nice to watch this review, cause I supposed finally there is a true Linux tabled revealed. Unfortunately the only one is Steam Desk. PS I realize that there are more Android buyers than Linux ones. So, no complains.
I have a Snapdragon 7C Lenovo Chromebook Duo, and I want to see the comparison. I haven't tried proper Linux on it yet, but I am considering it. My main issue is that Chromium on regular Linux still doesn't seem to trigger on screen keyboards. Firefox does.
Another option is to use Anbox (A containerized Android) on a normal GNU-Linux distro. I hate using Android but I need some specific tablet apps for my job. (Really I need something like anbox but for running iOS apps, but andoid apps get me the minimum required usability.)
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6:58 you may have leaked your phone number or is this just a decoy to demonstrate the thing with telegram?
The FydeOS website does not load properly in Firefox. That is their commitment level to production.
dual boot ???
Can vscode, jdk, git be installed on it?
If a Gnome-based Linux distro gets supported on this, that would be an instant purchase considering that Desktop Environment is very touch friendly.
Exactly what I was thinking. Especially something more up to date like Fedora
@@shatterstone3045 I dont like GNOME on a PC but for my thinkpad yoga, fedora gnome awesome.
Especially when the new GNOME mobile shell patches get into mainline GNOME. This would be extremely awesome!
@@TheJackiMonster I wonder why there isn't an ARM desktop distro that uses either POSH or Plasma Mobile? That makes a lot more sense, even though Ubuntu touch is a thing.
@@MastermindAtWork Well, I personally don't like how Phosh scales on horizontal screens and desktops for example. It's good for mobile form factor but otherwise it would feel like Android on desktop (I wouldn't use that either ^^').
So I would probably put GNOME on a tablet with attachable keyboard. I use it on a 2-in-1 laptop and it's performing pretty good as a tablet-like device with touchscreen input.
However if the efforts with GNOME shell for mobile form factor improve, it might even replace Phosh. Because then you had one desktop environment across all form factors which would be pretty neat for sharing optimizations and feature parity.
Its really important that this thing gets Fedora support (or any other distro that supports ARM). Then everyone who pre-orders can just use it forever and isn't dependent on manufacturers which also will help sales and therefore the startup
@Tachyon Sagittarius technically yes, but I don’t know how good the driver support is with the standard Linux kernel
Yeah, I hate how all the cool single board computers basically have to be thrown away after like 5 years.
If the tablet runs GNOME while the pen works properly with low latency, this would be really good for drawing digitally. ^^
I hope this tablet ages better than the JingPad. Would be neat to see a Linux based tablet.
Spat out my coffee when you mentioned the Rockchip used. That is PERFECT! I ordered a FriendlyElec NanoPi R6s with a pretty similiar - if not the same - chip in it and I have since dug into Rockchip's open source stuff; custom FFMPEG builds with their integrated hw accels, open source linux modules to integrate their architecture and many other neat things. This is great stuff! I can totally see people throwing together a Ubuntu/Fedora/Whatever install by baking in those Rockchip components and thus making them play nice together! But that said, I am very happy to see that Fyde offers local accounts and thus being largely detached from their Ecosystem. ChromeOS is a better Tablet experience than Android on a tablet imHo as well - and there are neat little things one can do with that. Honestly, I'm down. Going to sign up for Indegogo, I want one, period.
a linux tablet on ARM is something i've never thought of, but it's interesting
Absolutely!
I do feel that you shouldn't loose to much linux performance from containers and could be pretty viable.
Its so refreshing to see that ChromeOS variants merge the android and linux experience in a single OS, as it seems to bridge the gaps that people might experience switching to linux
Yeah, it lakes for a pretty good experience!
You mostly lose performance from the lack of graphical acceleration passthrough. I believe there is some support for OpenGL 2.6 or 2.7, and that's about it
@@TheLinuxEXP From the video, it looks like you mostly used it with the non-open source version of FydeOS. Any idea if the open source variant has the same EULA and privacy policy? Any other downsides to the open source version other than its still mostly developed by Google?
It does indeed look like an opengl matter, that lack of performance in Krita.
It's not just container, it's a container inside a VM. It's the VM part that slow Linux down.
To me, the main issue with this type of OS is that it's just a fork of a Google thing. I need a tactile Open Source OS with Firefox and Libreoffice, and I need them to run well, not like dying slugs ! If it runs Android apps, it's nice, awesome ! But we need to be able to install flatpaks, compile, use appimages etc... and have it run well ! Pure "tablets" the way GAFAMs intend it means total control over your device, your data.
This is why Gnome mobile needs the ability to support Android apps. Boom, problem solved. It could be a modular addition to the DE
My concern is that I have never seen a AAAA battery ever in my life. Only AA and AAA, so the stylus will be a pain to replace the batteries
They’re AAA but smaller, we have them everywhere here in Europe!
They're available online or at some photography shops in the states. The surface pen uses em as well
@@TheLinuxEXP Yeah I'm in southeast America, if it isn't AA or AAA it doesn't exist lol. So I would have to order them online and wait for shipping if my stylus dies
Aaaa are very very common for styluses, I have rechargeable ones for my stylus
@@RogueRen buy them before it dies. A four pack is $4 on Amazon. You can probably buy them at a hardware store too.
Having a SIM card is a MUST nowadays, because many carries provide fast Internet connection.
Thanks for the video, Nick 🍉😉👍!
Yeah, it’s pretty cool to have the option!
@@TheLinuxEXP do you know which vendors' (ATT ,Verizon, etc) SIM are supported.
it's either eSIM or a SIM tray or both; I do wish more tablets came with that option but maybe as a business option?
I specifically got a Surface Tablet (SG3) with WiFi and Cellular capabilities because I do intend on using it for either a Linux based business affair or something of the sort (I'm just not 100% on wiping out Windows from the system itself).
Yeah, this tablet would absolutely shine with Fedora / GNOME Mobile on it, but it looks like it's pretty early in development. It performs pretty well in FydeOS, but something about a Google-based distro that makes me irk, their UI looks atrocious
I really like the MS Surface form factor for a home PC. This looks promising, I hope it succeeds. I wish it wasn't a chrome OS layout, but a great start.
This looks like an almost suspiciously perfect tablet package at an... acceptable price.
This is the time for Linux hardware and software to rise and shine! Let's hope "they" well work together to do this.. 😊
I built something similar to this using a surface pro tablet and Fedora using the surface kernel available. A little more grunt running a standard Intel CPU but at the same time it is a surface device so it still has those limitations when it comes to drivers, so far though the only thing not working is the camera
you have to install libcamera and should work
sudo dnf install libcamera libcamera-tools libcamera-qcam libcamera-gstreamer libcamera-ipa
I wonder if you could have gone for dell xps 2 in 1
but not sure about their quality control
@@drishalballaney6590 if it was something I had to buy I probably would have gone with an xps as they're one of the better built 2 in 1s available. I work as a PC repair tech and ended up with the surface from a customer that didn't want it back after an upgrade.
@@natewesselink Thinkpad yoga series are also very well supported, often even having official support from Lenovo.
Does the touch screen work with it?
Wow! This looks great. Now, my mind is racing and have all sorts of questions but will wait to see how it all plays out. Seems as if FydeOS chose a great way to tackle immediate software support. I’m looking into FydeOS after I’m done with this comment. I got burned with pinebook pro. So, now we have Steamdeck, Tuxedo Computers, and now what appears to be a great tablet. Only thing missing is a great phone.Unless someone else has run across one I’m unaware of.
That will make one hell of a linux ecosystem!
fairphone 4 with ubuntu touch :^3
@@fuseteam Thank you! I’ll check out.
How did you get burned by the pinebook pro
@@swift7169 At the time I looked into it, it was marketed as a great alternative to a chromebook on the website. Reviewers and the like touted it as such. In actuality, it is a hobbyist tinker toy. The engineering as far as I’m concerned was shoddy. Battery drain while the unit was plugged in (find me another device that actually does this). NVMe drives also caused massive drain. Apparently, you have to jump through hoops to get it to minimize battery drain. Even then it was high. There were only certain drives that worked with it properly.
Bootloader issues
Buzzing in speakers when certain usb devices were connected. Sometimes loudly.
I tried undoing an install of a different os and ending up bricking it permanently.
The sd card crapped out. now a brick because I have no way to boot the machine back up. I’ve bricked devices before but always manage to undo the bricking.
It was one big nightmare.
They have now updated the website to reflect that is for hobbyists and such and clearly delineate who the device is more geared towards.
@@lukaslykus9599 i have to add that it not quite 'perfect' quite yet (you can't lock the bootloader, hotspot activation is a lil janky) but still daily drivable .
Just don't expect to run android apps (waydroid is available but is very much a work in progress) or apt (there's a container for that) xd
I feel like they should send a couple of units to RedHat, Canoical and System76 so that Fedora, Ubuntu and PopOS with GNOME and Unity can be put on them immediately. Holy moly that $600 USD price tag though.
As someone who was incredibly hyped for Jingpad, I feel like this more sensible start will work better in the longer run. Crossing my fingers that we get a good community around it.
the video playback is not working probably because the system doesn´t come with closed source media codecs just like Fedora. It's easily downloadable through the RPM fusion repos tho. I don´t know how one would come around this for Fyde OS.
We want the Gnome image for this might be pretty close to best for this kind of device It looks pretty interesting and worth buying after it.
Hello sir, I bought old HP tablet, runs with windows 10 home 64-bit with 4gb ddr3 ram and 128 gb storage. I installed mint OS bsed on debian ... It is amazing and all the features are working perfectly 😊
This is literally exactly what I've been looking for
I got lucky. A friend gave me a Surface Go 2. Installed Linux Mint (currently Mint 22). Works flawlessly. Everything works as expected. I love it
"more than JingPad ships with the box" that's a low bar considering that JingPad doesn't ship anything
I would love to see a good Tablet which works with Linux. Currently I'm still using an iPad Air with Blink to do remote work.
i've already seen a review from Beebom, but still worth to watch Nick's video. although this device is prototype, feels more like finished product.
This looks really good. Would love to take a shot at designing an open source dock and/or keyboard for it.
Android video playback is fixed in v15.1-SP3 😅 Ubuntu Touch is on the way as well.
Nice!
I just don’t get how someone hasn’t tried to do a full push as the anti-apple with the same level of hardware design. Launch the phone, desktop OS/laptop, and watch all at once with a full iCloud replacement and release that to everyone. Android, iOS, windows, Linux, everywhere. Add in a killer feature (native performance level android app support with an in house app store would be an interesting) that you keep,exclusive to the OS but not the hardware. Optimize for Proton gaming.
Like, the story of Mac OS is the story of a Unix compliment OS that was lucked into mass acceptance because other sections of the company happened to become prototype idealized versions of entire product categories (iPod and iPhone) and is able to leverage those products.
Anti-Apple won’t be able to be so lucky, but if the hardware is good and attractive and has compelling features, it could see adoption. At the very least it would make Linux more compelling.
Fantastic as a degoogled tablet! But it's not FOSS by default, and makes people think you're using ChromeOS.
From a privacy or FOSS perspective, these are huge failures. I specifically chose the Gnome DE (which I do enjoy using) so people know that something is different with my laptop. A computer built for windows (or built for linux ;) are both better as fully fledged desktop computers.
Too bad about the stylus. No pressure sensitivity and a big lag as I can see on your test. Unusable to draw. Thanks for testing this part, I was really interested in it. Artist on Linux still don't have any equivalent to Ipad Pro technology (10 years old).
I've recently put custom firmware on my Chromebook and installed Ubuntu 22.04. It works great, other than the speakers not working at all. I wonder if openFyde would be a better choice for it 🤔
This plus obsidian with excalidraw and you’ve got the most FOSS notes I’ve ever seen for college
This shouldn't be called a Linux tablet.
Honestly, this is the best looking normal consumer ARM device I've seen for Linux. Even compared to some Android tablets, this thing looks like it kicks serious butt!
A 12" 4:3 ultralight with cellular service and an open OS is a dream mobile driver for me, except that Surface form factor is a deal breaker. If we ever see all those boxes checked in a lap-friendly shape, I'm all over it.
Bravo Fyde Team, I don't know who you are, but you make a difference.
👏👏👏
PS: they have a very nice website.
You get the “like” Nick. Here is why:
- I’m concerned that my freedom to use my devices will be (more) threatened by Big Tech as time goes on
- I currently use an iPad Pro, a Lenovo Yoga 920 & an iPhone 13 Pro. Trying to replace all that and the apps I use with Linux devices is a daunting challenge if you’re not already a “Linux guy”
- While I have used Linux in the past I couldn’t give up apps I used on other platforms
- Keeping track of hardware and software in the Linux/Chrome world is a full time job
So I really appreciate this kind of content. I got to see that there is hope for some cool touch-capable hardware and that I might be able to replace some of the apps I use most.
If someone builds a touchscreen laptop that I can run a VM with Windows 10 under Linux… well, that might be the ticket!
I'd like to see it with Arch and KDE
I will be keeping an eye on this. If it becomes a real contender to caged Google Chrome based tablets I would get one.
Not a word on repairability? I've been looking for a tablet I can easily take apart and fix AND fully supports Linux.
Upgradeability, on the other hand, seems close to zero. I know it's a lot to ask from a tablet, but I would love to see them at least try.
If they can make the hardware actually work and they deliver on everything being open (with the ability to completely disable telemetry-I'm not going to be in the habit of trusting any corporation ever again, sorry), then I am likely to buy one of these when they hit the market. I find myself very much wanting a working tablet device, but I don't really use my Samsung device. I can't disable its spyware, I can't really install anything else on it, and even if I could I couldn't secure what I'd installed against a rogue device exploiting the bootloader.
It should be my decision what gets flashed on to my device, not someone else's, and once I have flashed it the way I want it, I should be able to prevent unauthorized modification of my device outside of the OS.
Microsoft Surface Pro with linux-surface kernel on Arch Linux is my ❤
A tablet with a separate keyboard could run in Portrait mode , if a suitable connector was available., and the stand was configured. That would make it so much more natural as a reading machine.
Hey Nick, great presentation of what looks like a product that still needs work.. I am thinking about a Tuxedo desktop computer any suggestions on the Linux OS & CPU, GPU for general game play? What's your go to Desk Top Config. from this Company? Interested to Know...
There's Android version of Krita on F-Droid, so you probably better off using that instead of Linux package. Interface is the same so you'll be fine
Can we install bash terminal in garud Linux ????? Garud use fish terminal.
Aside from the keyboard layout (no track button in the middle and no left/right click buttons at the top of touch pad) and the processor (mine is an i7) , this thing is an almost exact copy of the gen 1 Lenovo TP X12 Detachable that I've been using for a few months. Makes me think that this device is OEM'd by Lenovo. If so, be wary of the detachable keyboard. The pins that make the electrical connection between the tablet and KB are VERY sensitive and easily broken. I've already had to replace it because some of the pins broke off, rendering the KB useless. Also, the battery life on the pen is abysmal and the replacement battery a bit hard to find locally, even in the major city where I live.
Apart from that and the fact that I've forced to use Windows on it because of work, it's a really nice tablet. I can use it as a laptop at my desk and quickly turn it into a table for carrying around on job sites to review drawings. Once I'm done using it for business I've been planning on turning into a Linux box (Fedora/Gnome, which I use on both my personal machines), so this is a timely video. Keep up the good work.
I can and have. I just want to dump Windows for good.
How’s the stylus? Pressure sensitivity, parallax, responsiveness, palm rejection, and/or line jitter? Never mind
Well, I think this might be a better option than the tablets available in the market right now,
But the thing that it doesn't come with Linux out of the box and doesn't even fully support Linux (I can't even say barely!) is a big problem for me.
I keep hopping for a tablet with Linux support like the Steam Deck, in my vision it comes with a stylus that works good as Apple Pen and touch screen that works great with Linux,
basically I want Steam Deck without the controllers with stylus that works great on it (like the Apple Pen) and bigger screen.
Just like you I'd prefer it to be with GNOME DE but if it'll be Plasma like the Steam Deck I wouldn't mind.
Thank you for the review, have a nice week.
CloudLinux has very good products. Nice to know they're behind AlmaLinux.
5:12 i think that for taking note and draw and this type of tablet is better to just use it on the table without the stand at least that is what i do with my surface go
now that I've just bought a Surface to slap Linux on it, and now you drop this... should've waited just a tad longer!
I would love to see support for Arch based distros, because then you can put vanilla kde on it and then install Plasma Mobile from the AUR side by side. I honestly hope it gets support for more than Manjaro; I know Endeavour has support. I would also love to see support for modified Debian distros like MX Linux and Sparky in the AARCH64 space, as having just Ubuntu and Debian on that end is a little frustrating. I'm not a fan of Parrot OS, or using Q4OS outside of specific circumstances (works great as a PoS/inventory system, office computer for word processing, or an easy file server, but for personal or workstation use I prefer more up to date systems than Debian Stable), but that's another issue.
If it supported Arch base, I'd pre-order it now.
We definitely need more Linux-first tablets, especially with ARM SoCs.
they need gnome support. That, together With a little bit better stylus, this has the potential to become the go to for artists and creators. Imagine running video editing, sound editing software on this on the go. Either this tab needs a bump in the accessories - like a lot. Or the price needs to come down for people to buy it. Ofc this is not the final product, so there will be glitches. But this needs a lot to justify the price point. While windows is trying its own janky merger of desktop with android, a seamless linux merger with android (which shouldnt be that hard imo) would be a dream come true. I really really really wanted something like that when win7 support ended. I ended up installing linux on the old one, buying a tab and a new laptop for the long haul ( i really invested). Maybe this will be around and able to accomplish what I want when it is time for me to change my machine(s) again.
I suppose the OEM is Lenovo. The digitiser, the back cover and the keyboard connector look very similar to my Idea Pad Duet
I wanted one until I saw the EMMC which is a no go for me. I would be willing to pay extra for an SSD option but it seems the Rockchip CPU doesn’t support booting from a NVME drive only from SD card or EMMC. I guess we will have to keep waiting. I was genuinely excited about this then researched the possibility of an SSD in it but it’s the SOC holding it back since it can’t boot from that storage medium. Sure you could hack it like the Pinebook pro but UBoot always breaks on the NVME and it’s a Rockchip Rk3399 which is the same family of SOC just and older generation. But if you are fine with spinning hard drive speeds then this will be a cool device to own.
Thanks for the video. Interesting product.
The easy way to get a Linux tablet is to buy a Windows tablet and replace the OS. I''ve done that with a Lenovo Ideapad Duet 3i. This is a fairly weak tablet + keyboard sold at a great discount by the Microsoft Store in Canada (less than US$140). I installed Fedora 37 (Gnome).
The biggest letdown is how terrible the on-screen keyboard (OSK). It takes up the bottom third of the screen, with most of the width being wasted. In most cases it provides no access to control keys or other keys not associated with graphics. I tried KDE Plasma and the situation was even worse: no OSK for the current version. Yikes.
Without a good OSK a tablet OS is a non-starter for me.
ChromeOS seems to have a good OSK. You can even drag it arround so that it doesn't prevent you seeing anything on the screen. Bad news: the ChromeOS OSK does not work with graphical programs running in a container Linux.
If you have to use a keyboard with a tablet, and the tablet has a kickstand, this is in no way superior to a clamshell. Kickstands are horribly awkward in a lap use. The only advantage of a kickstand is that the keyboard can be made dtachable. But that isn't an advantage if other reasons force the use of a keyboard all the time.
PS: I'm typing this on a very nice ChromeBook (ThinkPad Yoga c13). I don't find it horrible. But I do wish it ran Fedora.
Thanks for writing your experience with the Duet 3i, I saw that on sale locally and wondered about using GNOME on such a low-powered x86 device. Have you tried setting the screen to a portrait resolution, and if you did, how was the OSK usage in that orientation?
I suppose there's also the possibility of running ChromeOS Flex on it, but like with your Yoga c13, the experience would still probably be far from ideal. Here's hoping the GNOME devs focus more on making their DE a more tablet-friendly experience, in future releases. 😔
> It's a container, it's never going to be speedy.
A container is not a VM. You're not running a computer inside a computer, you're compartmentalizing processes. There's no added layer of emulation, but rather "these processes can only see this subset of the system".
I'm not sure if Linux is in some sort of subsystem, that could indeed hurt performance. But, remember, containers are always as fast as any other Linux process.
You could install gnoke in debian... but I think the problem is the digitizer driver, which you should be able to copy from thr jydeOS
I have been thinking about it lately, why doesnt Fedora makes a chrome os like version with silverblue? think about it, all of the fedora silverblue limitations are for linux users (no acces to rpm packages without reboot) but for a chromebook user? thats an advantage! It would destroy chrome os flex in every single way, you would still have a rock solid immutable image os that you can upgrade always with confidence because the update (new image) is currated by the developers, you will still have acces to linux apps through flatpak and because its not a container inside a VM it will be faster (like I said its for chrome os users, so linux users that are saying "but my cli app is not in flatpak!" this is not for you and you could just use distrobox(if the fedora devs could make a integration of distrobox to be like crostini on chrome os (basically auto .desktop export to host on install)that would be top notch)) and if on top of that you add android support via preinstalled waydroid with gapps (playstore) you can even be on chromeos level, hell Fedora could even partner with some hardware vendor to make a Chromebook like device! What do you guys think? I have always heard the "Fedora silverblue is perfect for developers" point of view but what about this "for chrome os users" one?
this is my dream device!!!! finaly can promote content like i used to
2023: The Year of the Linux Tablet
Without official Google certification, this tablet won’t be able to play most commercial streaming services in more than SD. The blessing, that is DRM.
Looks like ok substitude for a notebook. At least for notes and school stuff
not having a super key is a dealbreaker
Yeah, it’s a bit annoying although you could remap another on to do the same thing
@@TheLinuxEXP yeah, but I use ctrl alt and super a lot and would have to map super to caps lock or something
Whatever happened to this tab?
I recently acquired a dell xps 13 2in1 tablet with the desirable 3:2 aspect ratio. Would you expect the FydeOS used on the reviewed FydeTab Duo platform, in my case the intel iris xe variant supporting use on an i7-1250u based platform, to be a better experience than current windows 11 support for 2in1 tablet/laptop form factors?
Any reason why one should prefer this over the Juno tablet?
do we trust the manufactor to not do any shenanigans with the device/firmware underneath for instance in the bios or some obscure chips?
if they can get Ubuntu Touch onto this thing via a halium build then I am all for it, this looks awesome!
The eMMC will gimp the longevity of the device. Hopefully they fix it in next version!
Thank you very much...
Still waiting for this tablet.
Great idea and inspiration from surface pro actually looks better built, would love to see Zorin os on this or something similar to see how it runs
Their website says: "... minimalistic industrial design aesthetic ..." means it looks like a tablet from 15 years ago complete with massive bezels. :P
I never said that though, I said it was a heavy boy with thick bezels ;)
@@TheLinuxEXP Yeah, but it is on their website at #1:43 - I updated my comment!
its default OS looks neat and its nice i can run linux apps, but its lack of full GNU/linux support is a big bummer for now
A bit off topic but have you looked at the new "VanillaOS" distro? Would love to get your thought on it, I was looing to switch from Fedora to it after the whole Fedora GPU issue and want something that has Gnome as is... Thanks!
Very insteresting video, i tried to boot fyde os in my x64 laptop and it doesn't work, wich are the pros and cons between fydeos and openfyde?
Dream tablet
My Surface Go is getting ready to kick the bucket. This might be a great replacement.
I hope for silverbue arm
That would be amazing!
I have literally never heard of Rockchip before, sent me on a wiki dive.
That sounded just like an LInus Segway
I learned everything from him!
Hi. is it posible to use f-droid and Aurora Store on this OS, and not playstore from google, for apps install?
Reusing existing tablet hardware with a Linux distro that provides full tablet support has several benefits: Reduced landfill of decent Windows 10 touchscreen tablet hardware that has been made obsolete by Windows 11 requirements, cost savings for the user buying pre-owned or repurposing the hardware they already own and choice over various hardware configurations on offer. Zorin OS Pro comes close to that, I've found. No benefit, affiliation or incentive to me.
Fedora would have worked better on this, it has power profile installed by default, supports hidpi and gnome (on wayland) is miles ahead of others in terms of touchscreen experience
Did they somehow steal the tooling for the previous style Surface Pro?
Every time I see this device I think, "My Pixel C needs to be replaced with this".
Xfce is the wrong choice for a tablet. I hope a gnome 3 release for this tablet comes out soon, please do a video on that if and when if happens
That's a Chrome OS/Android tablet for sure (two times heavier). Nice to watch this review, cause I supposed finally there is a true Linux tabled revealed. Unfortunately the only one is Steam Desk.
PS I realize that there are more Android buyers than Linux ones. So, no complains.
I have a Snapdragon 7C Lenovo Chromebook Duo, and I want to see the comparison. I haven't tried proper Linux on it yet, but I am considering it. My main issue is that Chromium on regular Linux still doesn't seem to trigger on screen keyboards. Firefox does.
Containers are not slow. The only thing I can think is they are not forwarding the GPU as Chrome OS does.
Another option is to use Anbox (A containerized Android) on a normal GNU-Linux distro. I hate using Android but I need some specific tablet apps for my job. (Really I need something like anbox but for running iOS apps, but andoid apps get me the minimum required usability.)
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Yo, Android support that can be installed on any computer? Even as VM gaming on Linux, perhaps???
Rockchip AIoT SOC - what CPU family does this belong to? x64? ARM? Something else?
ARM
If you get one of those, it'd be cool if you would install LFS on it.