@@SocietyIsDoomed I would have thought the outer wires would be the first to go since they'd be under the most compression/tension when they change direction.
@@GermanTopGameTV Wow. Sounds like a George Carlin quote. Essentially, Carlin stated government doesn’t want and educated free thinking society. It wants a society just smart/educated enough to keep the machines running. If I added to that it would be, “And appropriately replaceable with enough speed that no one notices.”
In the army we had a rule about proper positioning around APC's when they're being prepped for repairs or finished up. One of those includes "not shoving your hand into a turret mount while the electrical system is connected no matter what" We even got the recording of the screams of horror and pain of the person who didn't follow that rule. Also had a coroner report for the guy that pulled open a drop-down back door of an APC. It mostly read "shattered piece of XYZ" or "Shredded piece of (presumes) XYZ". That gets people to really respect the rules.
@@ScarletFlames1 Had a tanker buddy once tell me about a rule they have about keeping all extremities away from the breach when its loaded, apparently one guy thought his phone was more important then that rule. He had been recording with his phone and had dropped it after he had just loaded a round and bent down to grab it without thinking then WAM. The pictures look like somebody took a 2000lbs bat to the dudes head or what was left of it anyway. Rules are definitely written in blood
"THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS!" These were the first words the instructor said when I took the OSHA safety class in college. The instructor introduced her self, reached behind the desk, pulled out a huge, thick book and slammed it down on the table and said "there are thousands of safety rules written in this book. The one thing they have in common is they are all written in blood." Hundreds of pages (probably over a thousand). Then she asked someone to call out a page number and she read the safety rule. This went on for 15-20 minutes. Her next comment was "The majority of these accidents were due to lack of common sense". Her final comment that began the discussion was there are no accidents... every accident is preventable". We then picked apart 25 or so accidents that each of us had seen or been involved in. This happened...why? Because of this...why? Because this... why? She took every single example and reverse engineered it to its beginning and where it started and how it could have been prevented. Lazy maintenance workers cut corners, lack of common sense, goofing around, lack of observation, complacency, poor housekeeping, improper use of tools or equipment... the list goes on. In the following weeks we studied so many scenarios... every single one could have been prevented or by using proper safety equipment and PPE the outcome would have been different and someone would not have been injured or lost their lives.
This "accident" has had a strong impact on all of us here in Italy. Heartbreak: yes. Surprise: no. And that's very sad in itself. We've had countless "accidents" on infrastructure over the years. This one, as well as the bridge collapse in Genoa, just to name another. All of these events have the same underlying cause: WILLFUL lack of proper maintenance. They knew the strands in the Genoa bridge were corroded, they knew the brakes were faulty on this aerial tramway, they knew the track was faulty when a train derailed a couple years back. Like AvE would say, IT NEVER ENDS. I am disgusted.
@ChimneyOnADustbin ahahaha! He was asking for the _hyper_ link, not the link between your comment and Dario's. "What is the link for this documentary you are recommending?" is the way to phrase it.
Either the blood spilled before they were written, or the blood spilled by them. Don't blindly trust the standards, they're not always written to protect you.
I had an ole' timer once tell me "Even if someone has been doing something for 30 years doesn't mean they have been doing it right!" I still apply it to my job.. and it still holds true
This reminded me of something said of a so called expert. "There's a big difference between twenty years experience and one year of experience twenty years ago".
That is the fault in his "never seen that happen before" argument, then he needs someone to fall to their deaths at least once to learn that it CAN happen. Idiotic logic. People have imagination and foresight for a reason.
I've left several jobs because of the phrase "we've always done it this way." Just not worth arguing with that mindset especially when safety is involved.
@@MichaelOfRohan Agreed. (Assuming you're not being sarcastic) Isn't it sad that when somebody speaks properly, we notice it and feel the need to bring it up?
"WORST-CASE SCENARIOS ARE ALWAYS CONSIDERED UNLIKELY" If you’re an analyst/mechanic/manager responsible for warning or risk management, remember that when you paint the most dangerous scenarios as worst-case, you make it easier for the decision-maker to dismiss them. Use language like "most-consequential" and not "worst-case."
A friend of mine was the safety inspector at a theme park years ago, he shut down a coaster because it was unsafe. The park fired and replaced him and a week later the coaster went off the rails. Profit > Safety
I worked as a ride operator for a summer, and thankfully they took safety really seriously. Every day before opening an engineer would inspect each ride. Then the manager would inspect every ride in their section. Then the ride operator(s) would perform a third inspection. Shout out to Oaks Park outside of Portland OR.
Italy has a ton of government. How corrupt it is might be a different story. I completely agree with Ave. This management and if their government gives final oversight then they're management.
@DavidSharp also expecting its the responsibility of the guy at the bottom of the pyramid to quit as the solution is no solution at all. Right or not people will chose to feed their family over yours when push comes to shove. The incentives need to involve the higher ups. It is their responsibility to verify the working conditions are such that safety can be maintained as much as it is the workers to follow the safety guidelines. The liabilty needs to go further up the chain than it currently does in practice.
In Italy the CEO or founder of the company is ultimately responsible for safety He can delegate the execution, but not the responsibility The other people involved should only get the equivalent of aiding and abetting
I have stopped two "orders" that way! They do that so they look good that production started again, but when things go sideways you are left holding the bag!
As a young aurcraft mechanic the guy training me used to say , every time he filled out the paperwork and signed the forms, do you know what i just signed? I signed my name to a document that my work wont kill the people in the plane or the people it crashes into. A very good lesson in responsibility
I used be an aircraft mech (UK). My two pense is: Rember almost all the office staff are NOT personally liable like you. Have some balls to not sign off if you're not happy. Can't say no, then quit. I still wake up thinking about good by the book repairs I've done 5 years ago. You don't want a gash job haunting you for ever just so you could leave on time on a Friday.
I used to do systems management for customers in aviation and automotive. Server outage. Automotive customer: Get it to run somehow. Aviation customer: Let us know when it is safe to use again. Why? Because they don't use tools that are not 100% fit for purpose. Because if they did, planes might fall out of the sky.
It’s sad to think of all the men whose blood and sweat went into building that thing which included (among thousands of design elements) designing, building and installing a brake feature that was, decades later, disabled for negligent reasons. Hard work disgraced. Pride lost for foolish reasons.
It didn't happen just recently that the brakes have been disabled. Part of my family have worked for different companies (to make sure the owners of the cable cars are sticking to proper safety procedures etc.) in the Alpes and they can vouch that that has been common practise since (at least) the 1970s. In the capitalist system it just isn't profitable enough to keep the brakes on at all times. Why? Because whenever the wind is too strong or something else happens, that is out of a human's control like the weather, the (very sensible) brakes already intervene and it angers the greedy owners. Caring about humans isn't profitable, but using humans as cannonfodder sure is.
When I was a young guy in the service, working as a mechanic, I recall hearing a Captain give a safety briefing prior to a lot of equipment being moved into a new hangar. He said simply that "There's nothing in this entire building worth a human finger". That stuck with me, and has allowed me to enjoy a lucrative career working with construction equipment, primarily on aerial work platforms. Just keeping what he said in mind became the very strong work ethic that I've developed, something I've had to defend when confronted about repair costs, and I've even gone so far as to my refuse to perform sub-standard work on a variety of aerials and earthmoving equipment. And I sleep well at night because of it.
I've spent the last few months studying like hell for all the IPAF exams, and I'm a late comer :-) All the training 'Saftey, Saftey. Saftey' Get to site, Cost, Cost , Cost. I can se how young guys get browbeaten.
@@Justowner Fine, You put it in writing,.The ultimate detterent to management :-) But I'm old and evil. It's the young straight from college or university, out to prove themselves ones are the danger.
The elevators in my office get annual inspections. I can’t believe there are not bus loads of inspectors for every conceivable form of transport in a EU country. It boggles the mind this could go unnoticed for so long.
2014..... Wow. So did inspectors never try and test the emergency brakes at least once during all those years? It's safe to conclude that the inspectors either. * Did not do their job properly... Or * Knew the brakes were disabled and failed to report it.
Disabling the breaks seems to be at the level of criminal negligence, like drinking and driving, and those responsible should be tried for manslaughter.
exactly! just like in plane crashes when airlines are caught cutting corners and it leads to a fatal accident they get charged for it same should be happening with the maintenance crew or at the verry least the company running the cable cars
Damn. That was some truly horrific negligence. I can't even begin to imagine the stark terror those poor passengers must have felt for the few seconds it was going downhill. Heads should roll for that dereliction of maintenance. They're called emergency brakes for a reason - purposely _locking them out_ for other than a brief test is unforgivable.
Invent something foolproof and the world invents a better fool. Could have put every stop gap and interlock in place and someone will have been told to bypass it.
@@andrevdm6406 i agree to an extent, but this was not the doing of a youngster. Quite the contrary. So perhaps your perspective is worth reconsidering. Or just chalk it up to an ‘exception’ and continue living in the ignorance of generalizations.
I LOVE these talks on safety or standards. They give me ammo to bring into contract talks regarding maintenance scheduling. As well as justification for making management follow through on time sensitive work orders & requisitions.
i work on manlifts for a living, there is one overwhelming rule, never disable safety equipment. ive had alot of customers ask me to bypass a limit switch, or let them know how to bypass one. once they ask that i leave my lockout on the machine and let my boss know, take pictures and leave. had people ask me to just pencil whip an aerial inspection also, thats not going to happen. people forget how dangerous these machines can be, you can get lucky 100 times and nothing happens but that one time something does can take a life.
The local large reputable elevator company came to service the elevator in my building. They took one look, disabled it, and said it would need extensive repairs and/or replacement. So the building management found a different company that would throw a few parts at it and certify it. I try to always take the stairs.
Just quit a job because the single man lift built in 1989 we had to use all the time, was not going to be replaced. But hey, we got a new CEO of diversity and inclusion.
As an aircraft mechanic, this makes my stomach turn. When you have a job that involves repairing vehicles that transport multiple souls, there should never be a shortcut to get work done.
@@rogerborg I can't wrap my head around this "too big to fail" approach to the corporate world You're looking through the same lense as described in the video- the comodifying and dehumanizing of the individual You may never again work in system that pays out six figures, but as an able bodied human being there is always a path to proactive behavior. You find people to work with/for who have the same outlook when it comes to doing the right thing
Everyone running the system with red maintenance safety lockouts in place is complicit. If they don't know that is inappropriate then there is another training failure. The trusting public doesn't know what the red bits indicate.
Negligence is when someone fails to do something they should. These people knowingly did something they knew they should not. It's not negligence, it's far worse than that.
This whole situation with the brakes sounds like when someone replaces a fuse with a bigger fuse, then finally wraps the fuse in foil, because the circuit keeps popping fuses. The brakes dragging was a symptom of a maintenance problem, not the source and cause of the problem.
It also sounds like the people who remove or prop up the guards on their lawnmowers to get closer to trees and other obstacles, even though we have a high-tech space-age tool for dealing with that issue called a weed-whacker.
@@imgoodaswell9558 Haven't you? People also tie up the emergency levers that requires constant pulling to not stop the action on lawnmovers, chainsaws and logs splitters all the time.
A friend of mine had a new car under warranty and the turn signals blew the fuse. Garage looked at several times and shrugged. We wrapped the fuse in tin foil and burnt out the entire wire harness....then they fixed it.
@@AlessioSangalli This would fall under lock-out-tag-out, and the disabling of said brakes should also result in the machine being mechanically unusable until the brakes are re-engaged.
@@rewrite1239 my place does a good job and nothing really slips us, but I've been at plenty of companies where this is the case and they just don't want to bother with the alerts or question what the potential harm could be. It's sad that almost every successful system hack (Fuel plant in the U.S) is entirely avoidable for literally fuckin pennies.
@@wayfa13 also, what we have isnt even capitalism and free trade anymore.. its corporatism and crony capitalism. capitalism is simply two parties agreeing to trade with eachother... then the government and special intreests got invovled and the people let them take all their financial power away
Many times it's the actual worker failure to not follow the rules, even if management told them so. Honestly, we don't know if in this case management gave permission to the technician to bypass the brakes...
Usually anywhere you can find the name lord being used, it's a failure in management because things such as cablecar accidents have never produced even a single afterlife, no matter what you perhaps were told while growing up.
I absolutely love these chats. As a technician in a different field, these vids help me think of ways to notice potential issues before they arise. Thank you!
The first AvE video I ever stumbled across was an analysis of a crane collapse. I enjoy all of Uncle Bumblefuck's content, honestly, but these "what the hell happened" videos are my favorite.
This is such an important video. Every engineering school, or mechanical trade school should have to watch this before starting in the field. Good stuff
@@boots7859 where did he state he wasin IT and why does it matter that youve been there 25 years? He was stating that putting everything in one place will rarely end well. Dont be a douche
NASA did a presentation called "Normalization of Deviance." It's applicable to situations like this brake override. Definitely worth a watch. Edit: A former NASA Astronaut
Nasa is one to talk about Normalization of Deviance. Between their history of failed launches, deaths on the gantry (Apollo 1), and lost orbiter (Challenger 73 seconds after launch, Columbia breakup upon reentry), they have lots of material.
We had a safety rep that said this at every safety meeting. Some one was injured or killed before this regulation was implemented. She got a lot of stick fir saying it by some but she was correct as people that ignored the regulations got hurt or killed.
Sorry, I had to laugh and know it is serious but “mining, second oldest profession in the world, grubbing around in the dirt to pay for the first oldest profession in the world”. Brilliant.
What I love about AvE is he makes me look stuff up with random lines like that. I didn't know toolmakers were the oldest profession in the world, and I let out a laugh getting the joke then.
For want of a nail the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe the horse was lost. For want of a horse the rider was lost. For want of a rider the message was lost. For want of a message the battle was lost. For want of a battle the kingdom was lost. And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
I have worked on equipment with door switches and e-stops bypassed by the last guy. I rewire and fix whatever is the problem, I cannot fathom doing this. I work on pressure vessels and hi temp washing equipment.
Idiots like "the last guy" are the reason we are now moving to include RFID confirmation for many safety lockouts. I've encountered operators with their own lockout key so they can have access into the safety cage while the equipment is still running.
Jesus. People (a lot of those being people who should know better) take for granted how much of the modern world can kill you in an instant. It would much more without emergency stops and failsafes.
@@MattBrownbill there's a reason there are so few. Unfortunately, covering up mistakes and liability tends to hinder these. You never see entries like 'found safety cable just had one thread left, suggest check more often.'. That's why we tend to have to write it in blood. The other thing is, things get found on inspections and I think most of the time people don't realise the significance - IF a series of events had lined up. For example, a paperclip falling into a keyboard in a subway control office could set of a chain of events leading to a dozen deaths.
“You don’t need to be a hero, just follow the fucking rules” why I love this channel. Simple explanations of slightly complex things while keeping it entertaining enough to keep wanting more.
One time as a technician, I was removing an old piece of equipment with a cam operated emergency brake and the cam was zip-tied in the unlocked position. Sickened me then, and it sickens me now.
When a Yosemite National Park ranger was recently asked why it was so tough to design a bear-proof garbage bin, he responded, “There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.”
Reminds me of a story I heard 60 years ago about a farmer who went out to plow his fields with his only horse. He got to the barn only to find his horse had passed away over night. The farmer remarked. Wow that never happened before. Moral of the story. You have to prepare for the unexpected or it will come back to bite you.
AvE didn't mention it, you had to pay attention to the timestamps in the pictures but for anyone who didn't notice: The brakes had been disabled for up to *seven* years prior to the accident too.
@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 In the video he goes over that the haul cable was stressed ~by~ the brake fault, the brakes were locked out ~because of~ the fault, so not only had the brakes been locked out for SEVEN YEARS but the cable would have been stressed ~before~ the start of that timeframe
You seem to have misunderstood my comment, my bad. The whole thing only remained up since 2014 (when they allegedly started this shenanigan) because at that point the 2 cables were in almost pristine condition (for being 20 years old) I'm far from condoning it, just saying that they got lucky with the cables and kept the thing that way because it was "working good".
Probably very poor troubleshooting abilities. the hydro e-brake applies when there is a drop in pressure. the brake was dragging, indicating a possible valving or other pressure related issue with the hydro pack. too little pressure, the brake partially applies and drags the cable. or, another type of mechanical problem caused the dragging. has to be fixed properly in every case, no exceptions.
they've actually immediately arrested the owner and 2 executives. but suprise: they've been set free. only the operations manager is still under arrest.
@@TheGiuse45 the management was informed of the situation, for sure. The moment you as a manager are informed, the problem becomes your and you have to be sure it’s resolved ASAP, also you shut the operations until the problem is solved. You don’t have to be an engineer to know what safety brakes are, that’s why they call them SAFETY brakes.
You could hear the heartbreak in AvE's voice. I knew he was a good man from his interactions with the kids and wife, now I'm convinced he is a great man.
Sick and tired of seeing the same predictable outcomes time and time again. Like the crane that fell over in London town with water puddles around the feet of it..
Out of all the negligence failure videos I've seen from you I feel this was has the most anger, sorrow and disgust. It's palatable. Makes what I feel even worse. You're a good man, thank you for the years of service on this platform
This was no accident (a series of random, unforeseeable events leading to an outcome). It is a mishap, which is a chain of events that occurs leading to an undesirable outcome. Mishaps can always be prevented. The first mistake here is that the bean counters run the show with the mentality that we run it until it absolutely needs fixed {it breaks}. The second is that the technician believed it inconceivable that the cable could break, which makes this tech lazy and inept. The rest of the events in this mishap are plainly obvious. I have seen the corporate profit mentality in action and it is very literally 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Then you have the operators that are the first ones to notice a problem and keep running until it breaks. Rather than dealing with a small problem now, they wait until it's a big problem and production stops and complain the whole time their machine is down. Like they say - if it jams, force it; if it breaks, it needed fixed anyway. This mentality at all levels is becoming commonplace. It's all a safety first until it interferes with profit.
I literally got fired for calling out some of our upper management about some unrealistic COVID restrictions being set. Literally friday that week, 8 minutes into my shift fired. for "Rampant disregard of upper management and setting a hostile work environment" I have never been written up once... Not once.. 100% agree. Profits are unfortunately all that many think about.
@@Fluffy2Buffy You're going to have expand on this, because your phrasing implies you complained about the existence of restrictions. And the "unrealistic" is often used to imply personal opinion.
@@Justowner I called out some hypocrisy, I have since learned some tact. In the words of Teddy R. Speak softly and carry a big stick." I was literally 1 position shy of being on the executive team. if I would have played nice another 2 years or so. I had moved up 3 titles in 5 years. So you can say I was getting cocky. And I learned from that moment. I'm now 90 days unemployed.
There are many younger men that watch your videos and this was by far the best education you have given them. Responsibility is a must in your job and your life. Peoples lives before profits. Thank you and stay safe ya crazy Canuck.
Im a HVAC tech. I would never bypass a safety on a furnace to save a dollar. Safety of people is far more important than any dollar amount. Great channel. Been watching for years. Keep it up.
In my experience as an engineer this kind of stuff happens when management starts putting unreasonable schedule/cost pressure on people. You ultimately see a shift from prove to me this is safe, to prove to me it's unsafe. Deviance becomes normalized and then eventually someone dies. It's sad and disappointing because there are standards and they exist for a reason. As someone who serves on ASME BPV committees I can say it is basically always the case that it's due to death (in the case of the BPV go check the Grover Shoe Factory out). You would think after the Bhopals and Challengers the world the lesson would stick, but it never lasts all that long unfortunately.
Right when he said that, I was wait what, then the realization that it wasnt the blood of the people writing it but the people that got failed by the system in an effort to avoid that in the future.
In italy the infrastructure is basically a giant minefield. Imagine: you are transporting a 35t cargo on a bridge that has a 40t safety limit. The bridge collapses. The company that transports it is at fault, even if it's is rated for 40t. To carry parts needed to build a chemical plant, every road on the truck's path needs to be analyzed by the company itself, even if the cargo is nowhere near the stated bridge limit.
So given the cost of doing that any Companies moving heavy loads are effectively rolling the dice. It must be a huge disincentive for companies looking to invest.
In germany or switzerland one could try a charge for murder since management and the technician knew about the risks involved and accepted them willfully.
Now I understand my grandpa's saying "I trust the people who make the thing, I just don't trust the asshole who maintains it." I think he was talking about TWA airplanes at the time.
@@tommihommi1 Humans get in mindsets that create complacency, and then people over seeing them allow it to go. Complacency in certain fields is the difference between life and death, to say it’s been proven that’s not true is silly.
@@drdre4397 @tommihommi1 I don't think it was rebuttal. I think it was a mention that sometimes the design can also have dramatic and fatal flaws, as well. Some recent Boeing crashes were caused before maintenance became the problem.
As a guy who works on heavy equipment (and aerial lifts), I will shade tree a lot of things, but safety devices have always got to be there and be right. Sounds like the technician let himself become desensitized to the fact that peoples' lives were in his hands.
Yea, I can hear the heartbreak in Uncle's voice and it got me choked up. He's right, absolutely senseless and avoidable. And yes just like the crane etc.
@@norfolkngood8960 at least the Marandi bridge was more of a system failure, where politicians, managers and engineers were involved, It hits extra hard when its a single millwright like you and me
imagine being that israeli kid, sitting injured in a cable car with 5 of your family members dead stuck in it with you waiting to be saved fucking abominable
Right? I have a 4 month old and 3 year old. I could not imagine my daughter waking up asking where me and her mother are. This story, to a point wouldn't bother me before.i had kids. Now that I have kids, I'll spiral into depression reading these stories lol. They hit so hard when you have kids.
Sadly, I think every safety rule book out there was written in blood. Someone out there had to get hurt(or killed) before they knew that a rule was needed for that.
As a project engineer, i always find these sorts of videos humbling - a reminder to a more noble mission of ensuring the safety of human lives. Thank you for these honest and technical videos.
A quote from a New York Times article on the Champlain Towers Collapse in Surfside Florida... "Charlie Danger, who retired as Miami-Dade County’s building chief seven years ago, said unauthorized remodeling could result in someone eliminating a structural support column." Charlie Danger... You just can't write this stuff!
The first fundamental canon of engineering ethics states that: "Engineers, in the fulfillment of their professional duties, shall: Hold paramount the safety, health, and welfare of the public." Thank you for continuing to be a voice of well-seasoned reasoning. Hopefully more individuals see this avoidable event as impetus to stand up against false profits.
You are NOT wrong. I had this issue with hoist systems in the past. If my experience is any good, management told some guy to wedge the brakes... "those things are never going to be used"
The brakes being bypassed like that seems to me like a tragic example of "there's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution" I wouldn't be surprised if it's found out that the brake bypass was installed to get them through a busy day in peak season and the phrase "we'll fix the brakes later" was used but later never came either because it was forgotten about because the repair wasn't scheduled for the soonest bit of downtime or because the bypass fixed the symptom so the support tickets for the dragging brakes stopped coming in and those who ran the cable car on a daily basis fairly assumed that the brakes had been properly fixed
Precisely. Possibly the original technician later left, the new person comes on the job, and assumes "that's how it has always been" or something along those lines. Of course they don't dare to question anything because they are the FNG. The operators get used to seeing the bright red clamp things on top of the car, if they even knew what those were to begin with. Next thing you know, even the most ridiculous violation of safety protocols has become the norm. "Normalization of deviance" is what we call that in aviation, and it has been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people.
@@dirkmohrmann8960 oh the rant I could go on about "but that's how it's always been" and where I used to work during my university placement, just think about it lights a fire in me and genuinely causes my heart rate to rise, just because it's always been done a certain way, doesn't mean that way is correct, standards and specifications exist for a reason, sometimes they exist for safety's sake, sometimes they exist so a third party can compare two devices and/or trust the reading that they give. Without giving too much away so this can't come back and bite me, when calibrating a light meter, if the standard calls for a tungsten filament lamp with a specific colour temperature then a fluorescent tube is not adequate for so many different reasons, also if the standards says a minimum of 1 calibration set point per range, even if the meter is auto ranging and the user can't control the range it's in a set point at 0 and one other value isn't adequate either but try explaining that to management when the old fart who is the calibration "department" has been with the company umpty years and is too lazy to do his job properly constantly fires back with "but that's how it's always been" and "it's never been a problem before" like a broken record, and ofcourse management don't understand that the reason it's never been a problem before is because noone bothered to check but the moment a customer who does know what the requirements of the standards are requests proof the company is adhering to the standards and the company can't provide it as it doesn't exist they're gonna have several big lawsuits from several big companies to deal with and that's before trading standards gets involved for the years of falsely advertising their product meets important industry standards when it simply doesn't, fortunately I was able to jump ship under the guise of not being able to work there whilst returning to uni to finish my degree when my contract came to it's end and it was very clear that the company was a ship on a collision course with an iceberg but the captain was too busy playing darts to care (although technically management were busy playing golf a lot of the time not darts 🤔 eh I'm not good at metaphors I do engineering not words 😂) aaaand mini rant over 😅 I could go on for a lot longer but I think I've made my point and saying too much could get me in trouble however unlikely that may be 🤷♂️
@@rcmaniac98 same here, I quit a company because I was sure they would try to blame me when someone eventually dies at their property due to their negligence and willful lack of caring that entire parts of a structure are on the verge of collapsing.
@@amadensor Precisely correct. Stated another way, filling a tank with gasoline, it will be half full. Using the gas (e.g. driving), it will be half empty.
Thank you for caring about your incredibly important job. I think the worst part for people in safety and inspections related work who care and take it seriously in a proper way is that, most of the time, you can never really know how many people *didn't* die because you stayed vigilant, had integrity, and just gave a damn. Hats off to you.
In the 80s, I worked on a law case that involved construction of a nuclear plant wherein management cut corners to save money and the nuclear plant failed during construction. We've learned nothing from these kind of failures because management protects itself and has ridiculous resources to bribe lawmakers, etc. It's always the #greed. Thank you for posting!
I live a few miles from it, know the care takers of the property, got to watch them demo it down, after the first failed attempt. Most everyone that lives around over age 50 helped in the failed construction of it lol
I am impressed by the amount of knowledge you have on all the things mechanical and electronic. It's a shame they didn't do the maintenance properly...
I was wondering how long they had been disabled. That is of course an outrageously long time. Once it's been working like that for a while of course, people get complacent.
@@mwolfe1486 when the brakes fail, it's the only thing that can help bring the vehicle to a slow stop. I've had to use it before for that exact reason when a brake line blew out on a 2000 Pontiac I picked up off of a family member.
@@JV-io3nn True. It's the closest thing to an emergency brake, but especially on newer cars where they have a separate brake drum in the rear disc rotors, they are not designed to stop a car. That's why it's so easy for most vehicles to drive off with the handbrake on. It isn't a replacement, but when you are flying down the road in an automatic, there really isn't any other option
@@JV-io3nn --- this guy is 100% correct. I once blew a brake cylinder on a Honda Civic and if it weren't for my emergency brake (and down-shifting), I would have smashed into a police car.
A few years back, my parents, aunt, and uncle used this exact cable car during their visit to Stresa. Scary shit to consider that the issues that led to this incident were already in place back then.
"glass half full, glass half empty, engineer steps up and says- wait a minute. the glass is twice as big as it needs to!" -AvE not even one minute in and im having to pause the video
I need a little more info. How did this glass and water combination come to be? If you put water into the glass and stopped at that point...it's half full. If you had more and removed some, it's half empty. Otherwise I can only describe it as a half of a glass of water. The "half" being an eyeball guess. Where IS this glass? If it's on a table at a restaurant my inclination would be towards half-empty. Hmmm. I'm going to need a 150 million dollar grant to form a study group to access the feasibility of creating a committee to to make recommendations for regulating the hydrosilicate interaction terminology.
@@WeebRemover4500 It's a great saying, and profound when you first hear it. I use it often. I was just indicating that putting it in quotations and attributing it to AvE was not completely appropriate.
@@kirbyspencer538 It's probably a who said it first vs who said it best, just like standards written in blood. It's remembering it that's important. also personal favourite was the Ach So, which he definitely wasn't the first to say.
sitting in my 3596th safety induction half asleep when the main man said “I know this shits fucked but every single one of these ruled was written in someones blood” suddenly I woke up and had a whole new point of view
If there’s a safety in a system there is typically a good fuckin reason that it was put there. Usually the blood of those less fortunate paid for that safety to be designed and put there.
As an oil refinery worker for 33 years I totally agree with you. Sadly there are some folks who have the philosophy of "don't try and save me from myself", those are the folks that get themselves and others hurt (or worse).
well, unfortunately, there are a lot of safety features that just get in the way, or cause frustration. Not all safety features are born equal. A common offender is a tipover switch of a space heaters, these often trigger on any non-hard or non-flat surface, and i just have to bypass them.
@@victortitov1740 I think I will stick with exclusively using space heaters on hard flat surfaces, I used to know someone who died in a fire that was started by a space heater.
@@garethbaus5471 I replaced my floor with a half-dozen California king-sized twaterbed mattresses, a I'll be damned If the fuckin' GOOBERMENT is gonna tell ME, that my space heaters, can't sit, in an unstable space. Them mattresses is full o' water.
"That should of been in my intro to engineering class..." - Ours was even better: we had to sign a waiver :D But alas it was electrical engineering, not mechanical....
A number of years ago I did the software for a PLC based trainer for the ski industry in Kalifornia to demonstrate how safety measures such as off-sheave detection circuits (usually a wire that breaks), reverse-driving, and cable-break emergency braking systems interact with programmable logic.
Personally, I wonder whether it had been run during those intervening months or fit have been just left still. Because think about those cables going over those rollers and around the drive rollers. They're being continually lubricated, heated, and to an extent reforged as that pressure in that heat act on the cable. Then you leave it sitting for a year or more. Where it's bent to a small radius it's left there for months. It isn't being lubricated, it isn't being heated, it's not being reforged. And I know that in a literal sense is not being forged to reforest or anything like that it's a simple matter of the metal being bent. But I have to think even at low temperatures it has an effect on the crystalline structure of metal. And I have to wonder if leaving it in one place for a year would not have damaged that structure.
A long long time ago, my Mom and Dad and I lived in Turin Italy - he was on sabbatical. There were a rash of cable car crashes then (60's). The joke in the press was that the Swiss would use the cables in their cars until they no longer met the safety specifications. They would then sell them to the French. The French would later sell them to the Italians.
Nobody outranks Sergeant Safety except Major Negligence.
BAM
Never forget General Stupidity.
@@erowidoz Double fuckin BAM
@@ProlificInvention Yo dont forget about Petty Officer Incompetent who was recently employed to tick the diversity of employee box.
@@ProlificInvention thankyou ma'am
I completely trust the engineering behind the cables, but I have a hard time trusting the people in charge of its upkeep. So sad.
Pretty sure those cables fail from the inside out. A couple strands get rusty and start to fail. Then a major accident happens.
@@SocietyIsDoomed I've done tensile testing on a couple of cables. They all failed when one of the outside strands gave up.
@@SocietyIsDoomed I would have thought the outer wires would be the first to go since they'd be under the most compression/tension when they change direction.
This sums up my take on rollercoasters. I appreciate them and the technology put into them but I do not trust the maintenance.
@@GermanTopGameTV Wow. Sounds like a George Carlin quote. Essentially, Carlin stated government doesn’t want and educated free thinking society. It wants a society just smart/educated enough to keep the machines running.
If I added to that it would be, “And appropriately replaceable with enough speed that no one notices.”
"The standards are written in blood." I couldn't have said it better myself.
In the army we had a rule about proper positioning around APC's when they're being prepped for repairs or finished up. One of those includes "not shoving your hand into a turret mount while the electrical system is connected no matter what" We even got the recording of the screams of horror and pain of the person who didn't follow that rule. Also had a coroner report for the guy that pulled open a drop-down back door of an APC. It mostly read "shattered piece of XYZ" or "Shredded piece of (presumes) XYZ".
That gets people to really respect the rules.
@@ScarletFlames1 Had a tanker buddy once tell me about a rule they have about keeping all extremities away from the breach when its loaded, apparently one guy thought his phone was more important then that rule. He had been recording with his phone and had dropped it after he had just loaded a round and bent down to grab it without thinking then WAM. The pictures look like somebody took a 2000lbs bat to the dudes head or what was left of it anyway. Rules are definitely written in blood
@@ts757arse They always do..
Anyone who poo poos Health and Safety regulation should remember this
"THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS!" These were the first words the instructor said when I took the OSHA safety class in college. The instructor introduced her self, reached behind the desk, pulled out a huge, thick book and slammed it down on the table and said "there are thousands of safety rules written in this book. The one thing they have in common is they are all written in blood." Hundreds of pages (probably over a thousand).
Then she asked someone to call out a page number and she read the safety rule. This went on for 15-20 minutes. Her next comment was "The majority of these accidents were due to lack of common sense".
Her final comment that began the discussion was there are no accidents... every accident is preventable". We then picked apart 25 or so accidents that each of us had seen or been involved in.
This happened...why?
Because of this...why?
Because this... why?
She took every single example and reverse engineered it to its beginning and where it started and how it could have been prevented. Lazy maintenance workers cut corners, lack of common sense, goofing around, lack of observation, complacency, poor housekeeping, improper use of tools or equipment... the list goes on. In the following weeks we studied so many scenarios... every single one could have been prevented or by using proper safety equipment and PPE the outcome would have been different and someone would not have been injured or lost their lives.
This "accident" has had a strong impact on all of us here in Italy. Heartbreak: yes. Surprise: no. And that's very sad in itself.
We've had countless "accidents" on infrastructure over the years. This one, as well as the bridge collapse in Genoa, just to name another. All of these events have the same underlying cause: WILLFUL lack of proper maintenance. They knew the strands in the Genoa bridge were corroded, they knew the brakes were faulty on this aerial tramway, they knew the track was faulty when a train derailed a couple years back.
Like AvE would say, IT NEVER ENDS.
I am disgusted.
@ChimneyOnADustbin and the link is?
As much as I love Italians and Greeks, they love to cut corners on everything.
@ChimneyOnADustbin ahahaha! He was asking for the _hyper_ link, not the link between your comment and Dario's.
"What is the link for this documentary you are recommending?" is the way to phrase it.
@@TheDutchShepherd Google is your friend. Even if only this one time!
@@stephenw2992 It's a friggin' *lifestyle* there. Top to bottom.
"... the standards are essentially all the same: they are all written in blood"
Very powerful and true statement
Blood and lawsuits. The trick is identifying which caused the writing of the standard
Yes like the FARS which are written in blood and bent and broken airframes.
This is a common saying in the aviation community.
This definitely spoke to me being an ME
Either the blood spilled before they were written, or the blood spilled by them.
Don't blindly trust the standards, they're not always written to protect you.
I had an ole' timer once tell me "Even if someone has been doing something for 30 years doesn't mean they have been doing it right!" I still apply it to my job.. and it still holds true
This is the principal at work in Alberta, where everyone learns to drive at 14, but their driving skills only degrade after passing the road test.
This reminded me of something said of a so called expert. "There's a big difference between twenty years experience and one year of experience twenty years ago".
Another one I like, "Do you have 30 years of experience, or 1 year of experience 30 times in a row?"
That is the fault in his "never seen that happen before" argument, then he needs someone to fall to their deaths at least once to learn that it CAN happen. Idiotic logic. People have imagination and foresight for a reason.
I've left several jobs because of the phrase "we've always done it this way." Just not worth arguing with that mindset especially when safety is involved.
The anger in your voice at the sheer incompetence and the unnecessary deaths was striking. Informative as ever. Thanks AvE.
@@MichaelOfRohan Agreed. (Assuming you're not being sarcastic)
Isn't it sad that when somebody speaks properly, we notice it and feel the need to bring it up?
@@justinandrade2299 I agree, but he managed to sound Uber smart
@@Chippy_777 Because he is. I don't think most of us would be here if we didn't believe that.
“Foolproof systems do not take into account the ingenuity of fools”
BAM
*AvE*
I've heard it as "every time a foolproof thing is designed, a better fool comes along"
@@0num4 .. yeah , thats the phrase i was going to put here
Right they ALWAYS invent a better fool. It NEVER ends.
"WORST-CASE SCENARIOS ARE ALWAYS CONSIDERED UNLIKELY"
If you’re an analyst/mechanic/manager responsible for warning or risk management, remember that when you paint the most dangerous scenarios as worst-case, you make it easier for the decision-maker to dismiss them. Use language like "most-consequential" and not "worst-case."
Bypassing the e-brake is nothing less than gross negligence. The consequences of their actions were fully understood when doing so.
Agreed. Gross negligence is very hard to prove, legally, but deliberately disabling a lifesaving emergency system does fall into that category.
@@Bacteriophagebs Installing a maintenance tool to circumvent the safety system is pretty cut and dry IMO
Since 2014 none the less. Even looks like they bothered to paint the lockouts red while they were installed...
I would not call something done intentionally ‘negligence’ which is ‘not to do something’ (but English is not mijn moedertaal).
@@Calligraphybooster They neglected the safety for the passengers. They put in some effort even to ensure it was neglected which is criminal.
A friend of mine was the safety inspector at a theme park years ago, he shut down a coaster because it was unsafe. The park fired and replaced him and a week later the coaster went off the rails.
Profit > Safety
I worked as a ride operator for a summer, and thankfully they took safety really seriously. Every day before opening an engineer would inspect each ride. Then the manager would inspect every ride in their section. Then the ride operator(s) would perform a third inspection. Shout out to Oaks Park outside of Portland OR.
@Rob Stop It: Your right, and that's where the government go in and talk some words. And we all if we get to notice things like that.
Thank you AVE. We appreciate your common sense approach to engineering , and life.
Italy has a ton of government. How corrupt it is might be a different story. I completely agree with Ave. This management and if their government gives final oversight then they're management.
@@nutbastard fun times grew up outside of there. Been there plenty. Good to know.
"I need that order in writing." Words to live by.
I don't care if it's in writing or not. I still wouldn't deliberately disable safety equipment. I would quit before I did that.
@@daves.software It rarely gets to that point. When it is clear you are asking them to take responsibility they flinch.
@DavidSharp also expecting its the responsibility of the guy at the bottom of the pyramid to quit as the solution is no solution at all. Right or not people will chose to feed their family over yours when push comes to shove.
The incentives need to involve the higher ups. It is their responsibility to verify the working conditions are such that safety can be maintained as much as it is the workers to follow the safety guidelines.
The liabilty needs to go further up the chain than it currently does in practice.
In Italy the CEO or founder of the company is ultimately responsible for safety
He can delegate the execution, but not the responsibility
The other people involved should only get the equivalent of aiding and abetting
I have stopped two "orders" that way! They do that so they look good that production started again, but when things go sideways you are left holding the bag!
As a young aurcraft mechanic the guy training me used to say , every time he filled out the paperwork and signed the forms, do you know what i just signed? I signed my name to a document that my work wont kill the people in the plane or the people it crashes into. A very good lesson in responsibility
A coworkers son is a diesel mechanic. Same thing. Something happens, you going to be able to say that you did the work correctly?
I used be an aircraft mech (UK). My two pense is: Rember almost all the office staff are NOT personally liable like you. Have some balls to not sign off if you're not happy. Can't say no, then quit.
I still wake up thinking about good by the book repairs I've done 5 years ago. You don't want a gash job haunting you for ever just so you could leave on time on a Friday.
Also for the love of god wear gloves, especially with MEK, it's band in most places for a reason.
Hope you enjoy your new 24/7 colone of Avgas :)
My mantra is
"When this plane crashes can I justify my actions to the satisfaction of the NTSB"
I used to do systems management for customers in aviation and automotive.
Server outage.
Automotive customer: Get it to run somehow.
Aviation customer: Let us know when it is safe to use again. Why? Because they don't use tools that are not 100% fit for purpose. Because if they did, planes might fall out of the sky.
I've watched enough AvE to know that whenever mining is mentioned, there's about 6 seconds before Wilhelm Albert is name dropped.
The chain and steel cable on the bench were foreshadowing.
And eventually a mention is made to the first profession of'em all.
I got excited thinking ooh were gonna hear about that one smart guy again
Yupppp 😂 I knew the metal fatigue spiel was coming! It's such a great bit of knowledge to be aware of! AvE, you're saving lives man!
@@Cheepchipsable and prevent the rise of ocean levels due to global warming
It’s sad to think of all the men whose blood and sweat went into building that thing which included (among thousands of design elements) designing, building and installing a brake feature that was, decades later, disabled for negligent reasons. Hard work disgraced. Pride lost for foolish reasons.
It didn't happen just recently that the brakes have been disabled. Part of my family have worked for different companies (to make sure the owners of the cable cars are sticking to proper safety procedures etc.) in the Alpes and they can vouch that that has been common practise since (at least) the 1970s. In the capitalist system it just isn't profitable enough to keep the brakes on at all times. Why? Because whenever the wind is too strong or something else happens, that is out of a human's control like the weather, the (very sensible) brakes already intervene and it angers the greedy owners. Caring about humans isn't profitable, but using humans as cannonfodder sure is.
When I was a young guy in the service, working as a mechanic, I recall hearing a Captain give a safety briefing prior to a lot of equipment being moved into a new hangar. He said simply that "There's nothing in this entire building worth a human finger". That stuck with me, and has allowed me to enjoy a lucrative career working with construction equipment, primarily on aerial work platforms. Just keeping what he said in mind became the very strong work ethic that I've developed, something I've had to defend when confronted about repair costs, and I've even gone so far as to my refuse to perform sub-standard work on a variety of aerials and earthmoving equipment.
And I sleep well at night because of it.
I've spent the last few months studying like hell for all the IPAF exams, and I'm a late comer :-) All the training 'Saftey, Saftey. Saftey' Get to site, Cost, Cost , Cost. I can se how young guys get browbeaten.
@@51WCDodge Ask for it in writing, or hit them with the osha legal requirements
@@Justowner Fine, You put it in writing,.The ultimate detterent to management :-) But I'm old and evil. It's the young straight from college or university, out to prove themselves ones are the danger.
Jesus, he disabled the brakes in 2014. That's a long time playing accident roulette and thinking your number will never come up
2014 WOW that is incredulous
The elevators in my office get annual inspections. I can’t believe there are not bus loads of inspectors for every conceivable form of transport in a EU country. It boggles the mind this could go unnoticed for so long.
In fairness, you only need a seat belt during an accident. Terrible situation and should always be a sobering reminder for engineers.
2014..... Wow. So did inspectors never try and test the emergency brakes at least once during all those years?
It's safe to conclude that the inspectors either.
* Did not do their job properly... Or
* Knew the brakes were disabled and failed to report it.
@@steampunkskunk3638 or the maintenance guy removed the calapers every time the inspector came round.
Disabling the breaks seems to be at the level of criminal negligence, like drinking and driving, and those responsible should be tried for manslaughter.
exactly! just like in plane crashes when airlines are caught cutting corners and it leads to a fatal accident they get charged for it same should be happening with the maintenance crew or at the verry least the company running the cable cars
AFTER the emergency breaks had broken many strands in the rope!
Damn. That was some truly horrific negligence. I can't even begin to imagine the stark terror those poor passengers must have felt for the few seconds it was going downhill. Heads should roll for that dereliction of maintenance. They're called emergency brakes for a reason - purposely _locking them out_ for other than a brief test is unforgivable.
They apparently went downhill for 20 something seconds... they had all the time to realize what was happening.
Negligence is not the right word. Criminality.
Kharma will exact it's price on them.
@@d.t.4523 that's about as effective as "thoughts and prayers"
Invent something foolproof and the world invents a better fool.
Could have put every stop gap and interlock in place and someone will have been told to bypass it.
"You don't need to be a hero, just follow the fucking rules."
That is a really great statement.
Don't need any rules to realise the actions here were stupid.
I liked that saying I'm having it made into a sticker and placed on the shop door for my employees
Safety Third.
That's a very dangerous statement...
@@andrevdm6406 i agree to an extent, but this was not the doing of a youngster. Quite the contrary.
So perhaps your perspective is worth reconsidering.
Or just chalk it up to an ‘exception’ and continue living in the ignorance of generalizations.
I LOVE these talks on safety or standards. They give me ammo to bring into contract talks regarding maintenance scheduling. As well as justification for making management follow through on time sensitive work orders & requisitions.
i work on manlifts for a living, there is one overwhelming rule, never disable safety equipment. ive had alot of customers ask me to bypass a limit switch, or let them know how to bypass one. once they ask that i leave my lockout on the machine and let my boss know, take pictures and leave. had people ask me to just pencil whip an aerial inspection also, thats not going to happen. people forget how dangerous these machines can be, you can get lucky 100 times and nothing happens but that one time something does can take a life.
The local large reputable elevator company came to service the elevator in my building. They took one look, disabled it, and said it would need extensive repairs and/or replacement. So the building management found a different company that would throw a few parts at it and certify it. I try to always take the stairs.
If you can't figure out how to disable something, you usually shouldn't be disabling it.
I think Cornfed needs to go on one of those 'awareness' courses. 'Man' lifts...
@@koitorob they had me take sensitivity training, all it taught me was some better jokes
Just quit a job because the single man lift built in 1989 we had to use all the time, was not going to be replaced. But hey, we got a new CEO of diversity and inclusion.
As an aircraft mechanic, this makes my stomach turn. When you have a job that involves repairing vehicles that transport multiple souls, there should never be a shortcut to get work done.
The problem lies where people think it's fine if something happens to someone else as long as it wasn't them
SO many deadly accidents, from Challenger to Chernobyl, caused by management saying "Do it anyway". This is just one more example.
On the other hand, 99% of times they say "do it anyway" it goes perfectly fine. So it's not that simple.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 If you always cross the road on red light, 99 times out of 100 you may get through alive too.
Yeah maybe that was the case but you're a terrible tech if you do it anyways just because management told you to.
On the flip side, you can't learn to fly heaps of metal or fake landing men on the moon without at least some "do it anyway"
do you know that maintenance techs said there was an issue and were told not to repair it? do you?
even if everything looks okay, when the thing named "emergency" is broken, it's an emergency. aka shut everything down
for sure!
seems so simple when you say it, sounds like a grey area if you mention it to management
@@dogg755 Never comply to management when you know the dangers. Ever. Even if you're fired you will be fired with a clean conscience.
@@rogerborg I can't wrap my head around this "too big to fail" approach to the corporate world
You're looking through the same lense as described in the video- the comodifying and dehumanizing of the individual
You may never again work in system that pays out six figures, but as an able bodied human being there is always a path to proactive behavior. You find people to work with/for who have the same outlook when it comes to doing the right thing
@@rogerborg That is why people who blow the whistle on serious issues need to be protected from being fired for doing so.
in my experience, gross negligence is a group effort.... if just one person can do the right thing....
...the accountant will deny it. After all, why doesn't the rest of the team want to do it too?
Some wanker with a management degree will call them out for not being 'part of the team.
Sadly, and unironically, things go a little different in Italy.
Everyone running the system with red maintenance safety lockouts in place is complicit. If they don't know that is inappropriate then there is another training failure. The trusting public doesn't know what the red bits indicate.
Negligence is when someone fails to do something they should.
These people knowingly did something they knew they should not.
It's not negligence, it's far worse than that.
This whole situation with the brakes sounds like when someone replaces a fuse with a bigger fuse, then finally wraps the fuse in foil, because the circuit keeps popping fuses. The brakes dragging was a symptom of a maintenance problem, not the source and cause of the problem.
It also sounds like the people who remove or prop up the guards on their lawnmowers to get closer to trees and other obstacles, even though we have a high-tech space-age tool for dealing with that issue called a weed-whacker.
@@PimpMyDitchWitch have you really seen people do this?
@@imgoodaswell9558 Haven't you? People also tie up the emergency levers that requires constant pulling to not stop the action on lawnmovers, chainsaws and logs splitters all the time.
@@Narcan885 have not. My mower has a mulcher. No need to prop anything up or tie down the propeller lever.
A friend of mine had a new car under warranty and the turn signals blew the fuse. Garage looked at several times and shrugged. We wrapped the fuse in tin foil and burnt out the entire wire harness....then they fixed it.
I'm not an engineer, but I pretty sure something called the emergency brake should be in working order 100% of the time, and never be disabled.
I am and you're absolutely right.
That isn't correct, bypasses are for maintenance, when you need to remove the car from the cable etc.
@@AlessioSangalli that doesn't mean it shouldn't be in working order all the time. It wasn't in maintenance either
That's common sense, which is apparently less and less common every day
@@AlessioSangalli This would fall under lock-out-tag-out, and the disabling of said brakes should also result in the machine being mechanically unusable until the brakes are re-engaged.
I can't get my head around disabling the brakes, it's disgusting how easily these deaths could have been prevented
@@rewrite1239 my place does a good job and nothing really slips us, but I've been at plenty of companies where this is the case and they just don't want to bother with the alerts or question what the potential harm could be. It's sad that almost every successful system hack (Fuel plant in the U.S) is entirely avoidable for literally fuckin pennies.
brah, this capitalistic world is all about profit over lives
@@wayfa13 at least capitalistic one is slowly self correcting system. other belief systems keep the profit and still keep humans as a hostages/labour.
You mean except the one that does away with profit and wage-labor?
@@wayfa13 also, what we have isnt even capitalism and free trade anymore.. its corporatism and crony capitalism. capitalism is simply two parties agreeing to trade with eachother... then the government and special intreests got invovled and the people let them take all their financial power away
I am Italian, I can tell the news are all over this horrible event. I feel absolutely disgusted by the sheer negligence and stupidity.
it's right up there with the wreck of the Costa Concordia
"Clearly there was a complete failure in management" When isn't this the case?
I've worked for several corporations in IT. From my experience, I concur.
When the employee cares more about someone else's job instead of their own.
@@jamestrahan9311 One of the main things I learned after working in a corporate environment, you can't count on someone else to do their job right.
Many times it's the actual worker failure to not follow the rules, even if management told them so. Honestly, we don't know if in this case management gave permission to the technician to bypass the brakes...
Usually anywhere you can find the name lord being used, it's a failure in management because things such as cablecar accidents have never produced even a single afterlife, no matter what you perhaps were told while growing up.
I absolutely love these chats. As a technician in a different field, these vids help me think of ways to notice potential issues before they arise. Thank you!
The first AvE video I ever stumbled across was an analysis of a crane collapse. I enjoy all of Uncle Bumblefuck's content, honestly, but these "what the hell happened" videos are my favorite.
This is such an important video. Every engineering school, or mechanical trade school should have to watch this before starting in the field. Good stuff
you know he's serious when he doesn't even utter the word "enginerd"
A complete family of 3 generations have passed from this accident, they were from my small country, thanks for discussing the topic..
@LazicStefan Dude, been in IT the last 25 years and the tone deaf fucks like you are the minority.
@@boots7859 Everybody knows not to put all of their eggs in one basket. Especially if you're going to dangle it hundreds of feet over a mountainside.
@@boots7859 where did he state he wasin IT and why does it matter that youve been there 25 years? He was stating that putting everything in one place will rarely end well. Dont be a douche
Shut that ef up you idi0t
Never put all eggs in one basket...
NASA did a presentation called "Normalization of Deviance." It's applicable to situations like this brake override. Definitely worth a watch.
Edit: A former NASA Astronaut
where to find that?
Also known as the whole Space Shuttle program.
Operation paperclip.
@@ChaosBW What???
Nasa is one to talk about Normalization of Deviance. Between their history of failed launches, deaths on the gantry (Apollo 1), and lost orbiter (Challenger 73 seconds after launch, Columbia breakup upon reentry), they have lots of material.
Being Italian I appreciated your lack of words anytime you tried to dig down into the rabbit hole.... there's no word to describe it. Thanks mate
"Standards: They're all written in blood." BRAVO Teacher. My memorable takeaway from another brilliant analysis.
We had a safety rep that said this at every safety meeting. Some one was injured or killed before this regulation was implemented. She got a lot of stick fir saying it by some but she was correct as people that ignored the regulations got hurt or killed.
If there was ever a slogan for a AvE T shirt/mug/sticker...then this IS IT!!
Finally, AvE spoke 90% English when he described this tragic accident.
Noticed the same as well!
because he’s righteously angry at the easily avoidable stupidity that would have prevented the needless deaths in the first place.
can you blame him?
Didn't mention where to stickle your pickle either. I appreciate a joker who knows when to be serious.
When the man speaks english, you know he's pissed.
disabling the fucking emergency brake is not an accident. disabling 2 of them is premeditation
Sorry, I had to laugh and know it is serious but “mining, second oldest profession in the world, grubbing around in the dirt to pay for the first oldest profession in the world”. Brilliant.
What I love about AvE is he makes me look stuff up with random lines like that. I didn't know toolmakers were the oldest profession in the world, and I let out a laugh getting the joke then.
@@FurryWrecker911
Wwooooooooshh in STEREO!
@@FurryWrecker911 lol by ‘toolmaker’ do you mean ‘tool cleaner’ or maybe ‘tool servicer’ ? Pretty sure he meant prostitution.
Legalize the oldest profession.
@@FurryWrecker911 Anyway, it was a “Whorible Joke”.
For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
@@blip_bloop i missread that for aesop rocky (supposed to be asap - a musician)
beautiful
Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift
@@michaelc7014 ...Who?
@@FroggyMosh It was used as a line in the movie
I have worked on equipment with door switches and e-stops bypassed by the last guy. I rewire and fix whatever is the problem, I cannot fathom doing this.
I work on pressure vessels and hi temp washing equipment.
People like you are the unsung heroes that prevent tragedies like this and other industrial accidents from occurring.
Thank you
Idiots like "the last guy" are the reason we are now moving to include RFID confirmation for many safety lockouts. I've encountered operators with their own lockout key so they can have access into the safety cage while the equipment is still running.
Bless you for your diligence.
People bypassing safety's on pressure vessels is a BIG NOPE from me dawg
Jesus. People (a lot of those being people who should know better) take for granted how much of the modern world can kill you in an instant. It would much more without emergency stops and failsafes.
The thing is for every occurrence like this there are 10 that are unseen, undiscovered just waiting...
We have a 'near miss' book at work, for anonymous reporting of such things, luckily there are very few.
@@MattBrownbill there's a reason there are so few. Unfortunately, covering up mistakes and liability tends to hinder these. You never see entries like 'found safety cable just had one thread left, suggest check more often.'. That's why we tend to have to write it in blood. The other thing is, things get found on inspections and I think most of the time people don't realise the significance - IF a series of events had lined up. For example, a paperclip falling into a keyboard in a subway control office could set of a chain of events leading to a dozen deaths.
“You don’t need to be a hero, just follow the fucking rules” why I love this channel. Simple explanations of slightly complex things while keeping it entertaining enough to keep wanting more.
Facts
You'd be amazed at the amount of people clamoring to reduce regulations in the pursuit of profit.
One time as a technician, I was removing an old piece of equipment with a cam operated emergency brake and the cam was zip-tied in the unlocked position. Sickened me then, and it sickens me now.
When a Yosemite National Park ranger was recently asked why it was so tough to design a bear-proof garbage bin, he responded, “There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.”
Reminds me of a story I heard 60 years ago about a farmer who went out to plow his fields with his only horse. He got to the barn only to find his horse had passed away over night. The farmer remarked. Wow that never happened before. Moral of the story. You have to prepare for the unexpected or it will come back to bite you.
I don't think that horse is coming back to bite him.
Prepare for the worse, hope for the best.
@@paulsengupta971 Zombie horse: "Grains!" Ok... I'll show myself out.
AvE didn't mention it, you had to pay attention to the timestamps in the pictures but for anyone who didn't notice: The brakes had been disabled for up to *seven* years prior to the accident too.
but that is only because the main and haul cables were in decent shape to begin with
@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 In the video he goes over that the haul cable was stressed ~by~ the brake fault, the brakes were locked out ~because of~ the fault, so not only had the brakes been locked out for SEVEN YEARS but the cable would have been stressed ~before~ the start of that timeframe
Holy crap! Now at least we know to look for bright red clamps before getting on one of these things...
You seem to have misunderstood my comment, my bad.
The whole thing only remained up since 2014 (when they allegedly started this shenanigan) because at that point the 2 cables were in almost pristine condition (for being 20 years old)
I'm far from condoning it, just saying that they got lucky with the cables and kept the thing that way because it was "working good".
@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 If something can happen, it will happen, whenever it happens. - You never risk ANYTHING
Italian mechanic "I couldn't fix your brakes so I made your horn louder“
Probably very poor troubleshooting abilities. the hydro e-brake applies when there is a drop in pressure. the brake was dragging, indicating a possible valving
or other pressure related issue with the hydro pack. too little pressure, the brake partially applies and drags the cable. or, another type of mechanical problem
caused the dragging. has to be fixed properly in every case, no exceptions.
As old man Bugatti said to his customer: "My cars are for driving, not braking!" Than his son was killed in car crash...
wouldn't happen in germany or the german culture.
@@lcstyle2029 true, the germans just kill millions because they have a smale weiner
@@MrLince-hr4of Even if our weiners smale, at least they're not small :з
they've actually immediately arrested the owner and 2 executives. but suprise: they've been set free. only the operations manager is still under arrest.
Because he is responsible, owner and executives are not technicians, if they were they wouldn't have hired him
As usual. Same crap everywhere. Those bastards up in their cabinets dont give a damn about people or nature unless it gives them profit.
"and every politician, every cop on the street, protect the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite" -How The World Works, Bo Burnham
@@TheGiuse45 the management was informed of the situation, for sure. The moment you as a manager are informed, the problem becomes your and you have to be sure it’s resolved ASAP, also you shut the operations until the problem is solved. You don’t have to be an engineer to know what safety brakes are, that’s why they call them SAFETY brakes.
You can keep people in jail before the trial only if they are a public danger or if they're likely to escape or if they can hack the proofs.
You could hear the heartbreak in AvE's voice. I knew he was a good man from his interactions with the kids and wife, now I'm convinced he is a great man.
Because he really cares about people.
Sick and tired of seeing the same predictable outcomes time and time again. Like the crane that fell over in London town with water puddles around the feet of it..
You can hear the anger in his voice, same with all the crane collapses and the ski lift failures
Out of all the negligence failure videos I've seen from you I feel this was has the most anger, sorrow and disgust. It's palatable. Makes what I feel even worse. You're a good man, thank you for the years of service on this platform
Not even the hundreds of news here in Italy gave an explanation so clear and comprehensible. Thank you
Same here! Facts and news are not related anymore.
By far the best explanation of this horrible accident.
Wasn’t really an accident when the technician intentionally disable the brakes
@@GrantsDad lots of deeper questions
for real, I am italian, been following italian language news regularly, I had no idea until now
@@Fux704 you must be new here
This was no accident (a series of random, unforeseeable events leading to an outcome). It is a mishap, which is a chain of events that occurs leading to an undesirable outcome. Mishaps can always be prevented. The first mistake here is that the bean counters run the show with the mentality that we run it until it absolutely needs fixed {it breaks}. The second is that the technician believed it inconceivable that the cable could break, which makes this tech lazy and inept. The rest of the events in this mishap are plainly obvious.
I have seen the corporate profit mentality in action and it is very literally 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Then you have the operators that are the first ones to notice a problem and keep running until it breaks. Rather than dealing with a small problem now, they wait until it's a big problem and production stops and complain the whole time their machine is down. Like they say - if it jams, force it; if it breaks, it needed fixed anyway. This mentality at all levels is becoming commonplace. It's all a safety first until it interferes with profit.
I literally got fired for calling out some of our upper management about some unrealistic COVID restrictions being set. Literally friday that week, 8 minutes into my shift fired. for "Rampant disregard of upper management and setting a hostile work environment" I have never been written up once... Not once.. 100% agree. Profits are unfortunately all that many think about.
@@Fluffy2Buffy You're going to have expand on this, because your phrasing implies you complained about the existence of restrictions. And the "unrealistic" is often used to imply personal opinion.
@@Justowner I called out some hypocrisy, I have since learned some tact. In the words of Teddy R. Speak softly and carry a big stick." I was literally 1 position shy of being on the executive team. if I would have played nice another 2 years or so. I had moved up 3 titles in 5 years. So you can say I was getting cocky. And I learned from that moment. I'm now 90 days unemployed.
@@Fluffy2Buffy How do you get that close to an executive position? serious question.
There are many younger men that watch your videos and this was by far the best education you have given them. Responsibility is a must in your job and your life. Peoples lives before profits. Thank you and stay safe ya crazy Canuck.
Im a HVAC tech. I would never bypass a safety on a furnace to save a dollar. Safety of people is far more important than any dollar amount.
Great channel. Been watching for years. Keep it up.
In my experience as an engineer this kind of stuff happens when management starts putting unreasonable schedule/cost pressure on people. You ultimately see a shift from prove to me this is safe, to prove to me it's unsafe. Deviance becomes normalized and then eventually someone dies. It's sad and disappointing because there are standards and they exist for a reason. As someone who serves on ASME BPV committees I can say it is basically always the case that it's due to death (in the case of the BPV go check the Grover Shoe Factory out). You would think after the Bhopals and Challengers the world the lesson would stick, but it never lasts all that long unfortunately.
"Standards are written in blood"
That statement has a lot of weight to it.
Right when he said that, I was wait what, then the realization that it wasnt the blood of the people writing it but the people that got failed by the system in an effort to avoid that in the future.
True. Origins of ASME BPVC attest to that.
I mean, it's not a new expression, it's a typical way to describe safety regulations in all fields automotive, aerospace etc
I'm pretty sure "don't disable all the safety features" was already a standard somewhere.
Was the engineer called Jaws by any chance?
I hear he has a bad track record with Italian aerial tramways.
Read somewhere there were some important people on board. Smells like assassination...
He stopped the skookum choocher with his bare hands! That motorb so powerful that can grind itself raw it's so torquey.
Not to be that guy, but wasn't it the Aerial Tramway up Sugarloaf Mountain in Brazil that Jaws was dickin' with in the Bond film Moonraker?
Jeez, you spend your career riding tram cars and no one says anything. But you bite through ONE cable...
In italy the infrastructure is basically a giant minefield.
Imagine: you are transporting a 35t cargo on a bridge that has a 40t safety limit. The bridge collapses. The company that transports it is at fault, even if it's is rated for 40t.
To carry parts needed to build a chemical plant, every road on the truck's path needs to be analyzed by the company itself, even if the cargo is nowhere near the stated bridge limit.
Well i will keep that in mind. I will never drive special transports in italy.
So given the cost of doing that any
Companies moving heavy loads are effectively rolling the dice. It must be a huge disincentive for companies looking to invest.
It might wind up being depraved indifference, if they have such a charge there... more than negligence, less than murder.
Manslaughter?
We have a charge in the USA,it's called involuntary manslaughter
In germany or switzerland one could try a charge for murder since management and the technician knew about the risks involved and accepted them willfully.
Negligent homicide?
probably criminal negligence and manslaughter, could be a lower degree murder charge as well.
Now I understand my grandpa's saying "I trust the people who make the thing, I just don't trust the asshole who maintains it." I think he was talking about TWA airplanes at the time.
Here are 3 more for you: Alaska Airlines 261. American Airlines 191. Japan Airlines 123. 881 total dead due to maintenance fuckups.
Boeing spectacularly proved this saying wrong
@@tommihommi1 Nice attempt at a strawman arguement... Not a valid rebuttal.
@@tommihommi1 Humans get in mindsets that create complacency, and then people over seeing them allow it to go. Complacency in certain fields is the difference between life and death, to say it’s been proven that’s not true is silly.
@@drdre4397 @tommihommi1 I don't think it was rebuttal. I think it was a mention that sometimes the design can also have dramatic and fatal flaws, as well. Some recent Boeing crashes were caused before maintenance became the problem.
"Don't worry, this case is impossible and it will never happen"
- famous last words
Yeah, we don't need no stinkin' brakes!
Thats really jinxing it on a whole nother level.
When you make a profit goal you get a bonus. When you make a safety goal you get a nice keychain.
Haha I get a shirt tshirt turned immediately into a shop rag!
its sad that this is literally a thing at my workplace.
yeah! or a toolbox sticker
I always enjoy these post mortem analyses, but I absolutely hate how often they need to be done.
I'm glad you constantly bring to light various workplace accidents and how they could've been prevented.
New AVE tshirt.
Mining, the second oldest profession:
Grubbin' in the dirt to pay for the oldest profession!
Wackywankavator, the world's oldest profession is Gardening.
@@shadow7037932, then hunting was the oldest profession
@@elonmask50 thought it was prostitution
@@highcarbrider, God botherers often do, but Adam was God’s gardener, and he was supposedly the first ever human.
@@elonmask50 if you take fairytales as history perhaps, not in real life
"The profit isn't worth 14 people's lives" - there's maybe an internal memo about that.....
This company will be sold as it is cheap, be absorbed into an other faceless company and this will continue happening.
And a reply asking what the acceptable number of lives would be.
@@davesowens probably one or two a year. But not 14. Sadly
Like all the people that die in plane crashes time and time again - no company gets the memo, just a cheap slap on the wrist.
Something something stochastics. If the combined profit of all your fuckups exceeds the cost of those that led to an incident, you are in the green.
anger, frustration and heartbreak ring in your voice. could have been any of us on board
Yeah, that's the most... reduced to frustration I've ever heard him. Understandably.
you can hear the disgust in the way this was filmed. he had to stop himself from loosing it quite a few times!
Losing*
Why? He didn't sound too tight to me...
@@koitorob Well..if you're gonna play that word-game, that would be "
"loosening" then..
As a guy who works on heavy equipment (and aerial lifts), I will shade tree a lot of things, but safety devices have always got to be there and be right. Sounds like the technician let himself become desensitized to the fact that peoples' lives were in his hands.
You use your language so very well it's a pleasure to hear you speak on any subject.
Never thought I’d shed a tear with uncle bumblefuck but this is such needless tragedy.
Same as the crane, same as the walkway....
Too much dumbfuckery, truly tragic & heartbreaking
Yea, I can hear the heartbreak in Uncle's voice and it got me choked up. He's right, absolutely senseless and avoidable. And yes just like the crane etc.
@@norfolkngood8960 at least the Marandi bridge was more of a system failure, where politicians, managers and engineers were involved, It hits extra hard when its a single millwright like you and me
imagine being that israeli kid, sitting injured in a cable car with 5 of your family members dead stuck in it with you waiting to be saved
fucking abominable
Right? I have a 4 month old and 3 year old. I could not imagine my daughter waking up asking where me and her mother are. This story, to a point wouldn't bother me before.i had kids. Now that I have kids, I'll spiral into depression reading these stories lol. They hit so hard when you have kids.
“The standards are ALL written in Blood.”
AVE
Same with the rules in aviation :(
Ever heard of "legislation by fire", fire code is the same way
t-shirt material
Sadly, I think every safety rule book out there was written in blood. Someone out there had to get hurt(or killed) before they knew that a rule was needed for that.
@@appliedengineering4001 explain fluid limits on planes ;)
As a project engineer, i always find these sorts of videos humbling - a reminder to a more noble mission of ensuring the safety of human lives. Thank you for these honest and technical videos.
The splicing of that wire reminds me of the two interleaved phonebooks.
friction is amazing
Good analogy
That mythbusters episode trying to tear those phonebooks apart was really surprising and impressive.
These water cooler chats are always my favorite content.
Sad they so often come with such grim situations, but at least we learn from them. My condolences to the families of the deceased.
@@JohnDoe-zx1ck agreed. They're tragic but extremely interesting
Was expecting a tig water cooler build. Been watching too much TOT I think 😂
A quote from a New York Times article on the Champlain Towers Collapse in Surfside Florida...
"Charlie Danger, who retired as Miami-Dade County’s building chief seven years ago, said unauthorized remodeling could result in someone eliminating a structural support column."
Charlie Danger... You just can't write this stuff!
The first fundamental canon of engineering ethics states that: "Engineers, in the fulfillment of their professional duties, shall:
Hold paramount the safety, health, and welfare of the public."
Thank you for continuing to be a voice of well-seasoned reasoning. Hopefully more individuals see this avoidable event as impetus to stand up against false profits.
You are NOT wrong. I had this issue with hoist systems in the past. If my experience is any good, management told some guy to wedge the brakes... "those things are never going to be used"
You’re brilliant and thank you for having the guts to put the discussion here.
The brakes being bypassed like that seems to me like a tragic example of "there's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution" I wouldn't be surprised if it's found out that the brake bypass was installed to get them through a busy day in peak season and the phrase "we'll fix the brakes later" was used but later never came either because it was forgotten about because the repair wasn't scheduled for the soonest bit of downtime or because the bypass fixed the symptom so the support tickets for the dragging brakes stopped coming in and those who ran the cable car on a daily basis fairly assumed that the brakes had been properly fixed
Precisely. Possibly the original technician later left, the new person comes on the job, and assumes "that's how it has always been" or something along those lines. Of course they don't dare to question anything because they are the FNG. The operators get used to seeing the bright red clamp things on top of the car, if they even knew what those were to begin with. Next thing you know, even the most ridiculous violation of safety protocols has become the norm. "Normalization of deviance" is what we call that in aviation, and it has been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people.
@@dirkmohrmann8960 oh the rant I could go on about "but that's how it's always been" and where I used to work during my university placement, just think about it lights a fire in me and genuinely causes my heart rate to rise, just because it's always been done a certain way, doesn't mean that way is correct, standards and specifications exist for a reason, sometimes they exist for safety's sake, sometimes they exist so a third party can compare two devices and/or trust the reading that they give. Without giving too much away so this can't come back and bite me, when calibrating a light meter, if the standard calls for a tungsten filament lamp with a specific colour temperature then a fluorescent tube is not adequate for so many different reasons, also if the standards says a minimum of 1 calibration set point per range, even if the meter is auto ranging and the user can't control the range it's in a set point at 0 and one other value isn't adequate either but try explaining that to management when the old fart who is the calibration "department" has been with the company umpty years and is too lazy to do his job properly constantly fires back with "but that's how it's always been" and "it's never been a problem before" like a broken record, and ofcourse management don't understand that the reason it's never been a problem before is because noone bothered to check but the moment a customer who does know what the requirements of the standards are requests proof the company is adhering to the standards and the company can't provide it as it doesn't exist they're gonna have several big lawsuits from several big companies to deal with and that's before trading standards gets involved for the years of falsely advertising their product meets important industry standards when it simply doesn't, fortunately I was able to jump ship under the guise of not being able to work there whilst returning to uni to finish my degree when my contract came to it's end and it was very clear that the company was a ship on a collision course with an iceberg but the captain was too busy playing darts to care (although technically management were busy playing golf a lot of the time not darts 🤔 eh I'm not good at metaphors I do engineering not words 😂) aaaand mini rant over 😅 I could go on for a lot longer but I think I've made my point and saying too much could get me in trouble however unlikely that may be 🤷♂️
@@rcmaniac98 same here, I quit a company because I was sure they would try to blame me when someone eventually dies at their property due to their negligence and willful lack of caring that entire parts of a structure are on the verge of collapsing.
it always depends if i'm drinking from the glass , or pouring into it
if im drinking, its half empty
if im pouring its half full
It's not where it is, it's which way it's going.
great video as always,
i wouldn't make jokes of any families grievances , and my deepest thoughts are with those at loss
whoever writes this tragedy into a movie either makes a horror or a tear jerking biopic
@@amadensor Precisely correct. Stated another way, filling a tank with gasoline, it will be half full. Using the gas (e.g. driving), it will be half empty.
@@stuartm5745 the direction I am heading being more important than where I am is a larger concept that applies to more than tanks and cups.
I'm in the fire safety industry. When the boss doesn't listen I email him my view respectfully asking him to reconsider. It's worked at least twice.
Thank you for caring about your incredibly important job. I think the worst part for people in safety and inspections related work who care and take it seriously in a proper way is that, most of the time, you can never really know how many people *didn't* die because you stayed vigilant, had integrity, and just gave a damn. Hats off to you.
You are doing good work my friend. Thank you, and keep on doing it that way.
9:30 you can really feel the raging anger pouring out of Uncle Bumblefack in his silence.
In the 80s, I worked on a law case that involved construction of a nuclear plant wherein management cut corners to save money and the nuclear plant failed during construction. We've learned nothing from these kind of failures because management protects itself and has ridiculous resources to bribe lawmakers, etc. It's always the #greed. Thank you for posting!
@JohnnyDee62 Marble Hill?
I live a few miles from it, know the care takers of the property, got to watch them demo it down, after the first failed attempt. Most everyone that lives around over age 50 helped in the failed construction of it lol
@@TheHarbin22 Not that one. WPPSS-woops.
It was a similar story, too big of hurry, concrete failed with massive air voids
@@TheHarbin22 We just never learn. D’oh.
I am impressed by the amount of knowledge you have on all the things mechanical and electronic. It's a shame they didn't do the maintenance properly...
"Standards are written in blood" is what I'm going to tell folks that sat "eeeeh, we don't have to do that the inspector will never notice"
As pictures from a cable-car enthusiast show, the brakes got braced at least since 2014 already.
The fucker that made the decision should never leave the jail
And in seven years no overhaul?
this needs more attention, do you have a link?
P
I was wondering how long they had been disabled. That is of course an outrageously long time. Once it's been working like that for a while of course, people get complacent.
Work at FedEx. Emergency brake doesn't work on a van I'm using. "Oh, they're all like that."
God bless capitalism.
You mean the parking brake? If you mean that, those aren't meant to stop a car and only keeps it in place (unless it's set up that way)
@@mwolfe1486 when the brakes fail, it's the only thing that can help bring the vehicle to a slow stop. I've had to use it before for that exact reason when a brake line blew out on a 2000 Pontiac I picked up off of a family member.
@@JV-io3nn True. It's the closest thing to an emergency brake, but especially on newer cars where they have a separate brake drum in the rear disc rotors, they are not designed to stop a car. That's why it's so easy for most vehicles to drive off with the handbrake on. It isn't a replacement, but when you are flying down the road in an automatic, there really isn't any other option
@@JV-io3nn --- this guy is 100% correct. I once blew a brake cylinder on a Honda Civic and if it weren't for my emergency brake (and down-shifting), I would have smashed into a police car.
Parking brakes are just as essential to all wheeled vehicles... just saying.
"[Safety] standards are written in blood." As someone who's responsible for a building with an elevator, I'm going to quote that every chance I get.
the funny thing is standards where already in place workers where just to ignorant to follow them
A few years back, my parents, aunt, and uncle used this exact cable car during their visit to Stresa. Scary shit to consider that the issues that led to this incident were already in place back then.
Heh - remember that bridge that collapsed in Genoa? 3 days earlier, I'd driven over it 4 times.
"glass half full, glass half empty, engineer steps up and says- wait a minute. the glass is twice as big as it needs to!" -AvE
not even one minute in and im having to pause the video
That saying has been around at least 40 years, probably much longer.
I need a little more info. How did this glass and water combination come to be? If you put water into the glass and stopped at that point...it's half full.
If you had more and removed some, it's half empty. Otherwise I can only describe it as a half of a glass of water. The "half" being an eyeball guess.
Where IS this glass? If it's on a table at a restaurant my inclination would be towards half-empty. Hmmm. I'm going to need a 150 million dollar grant to form a study group to access the feasibility of creating a committee to to make recommendations for regulating the hydrosilicate interaction terminology.
@@kirbyspencer538 well i havent, not in this body
@@WeebRemover4500 It's a great saying, and profound when you first hear it. I use it often. I was just indicating that putting it in quotations and attributing it to AvE was not completely appropriate.
@@kirbyspencer538 It's probably a who said it first vs who said it best, just like standards written in blood. It's remembering it that's important.
also personal favourite was the Ach So, which he definitely wasn't the first to say.
The concept that engineering standards are written in blood really hit home. Good stuff.
sitting in my 3596th safety induction half asleep when the main man said “I know this shits fucked but every single one of these ruled was written in someones blood”
suddenly I woke up and had a whole new point of view
Facts, well said guys
While I flaunt safety. I would never ever flaunt safety for others.
Some engineering and all maintenance, labour and safety laws and regulations... written in blood
fun fact, 90% of the time its in the blood of idiots.
If there’s a safety in a system there is typically a good fuckin reason that it was put there. Usually the blood of those less fortunate paid for that safety to be designed and put there.
As an oil refinery worker for 33 years I totally agree with you. Sadly there are some folks who have the philosophy of "don't try and save me from myself", those are the folks that get themselves and others hurt (or worse).
@That Dudemost beurocrats aren't smart enough to suggest a safety device that that prevents something that hasn't killed someone.
well, unfortunately, there are a lot of safety features that just get in the way, or cause frustration. Not all safety features are born equal. A common offender is a tipover switch of a space heaters, these often trigger on any non-hard or non-flat surface, and i just have to bypass them.
@@victortitov1740 I think I will stick with exclusively using space heaters on hard flat surfaces, I used to know someone who died in a fire that was started by a space heater.
@@garethbaus5471 I replaced my floor with a half-dozen California king-sized twaterbed mattresses, a I'll be damned If the fuckin' GOOBERMENT is gonna tell ME, that my space heaters, can't sit, in an unstable space. Them mattresses is full o' water.
"Standards are written in blood." That should of been in my intro to engineering class...
Every rule in the railway rule book is written because someone has died.
It's always how I begin my building code sessions.
"That should of been in my intro to engineering class..." - Ours was even better: we had to sign a waiver :D But alas it was electrical engineering, not mechanical....
A number of years ago I did the software for a PLC based trainer for the ski industry in Kalifornia to demonstrate how safety measures such as off-sheave detection circuits (usually a wire that breaks), reverse-driving, and cable-break emergency braking systems interact with programmable logic.
Personally, I wonder whether it had been run during those intervening months or fit have been just left still. Because think about those cables going over those rollers and around the drive rollers. They're being continually lubricated, heated, and to an extent reforged as that pressure in that heat act on the cable. Then you leave it sitting for a year or more. Where it's bent to a small radius it's left there for months. It isn't being lubricated, it isn't being heated, it's not being reforged. And I know that in a literal sense is not being forged to reforest or anything like that it's a simple matter of the metal being bent. But I have to think even at low temperatures it has an effect on the crystalline structure of metal. And I have to wonder if leaving it in one place for a year would not have damaged that structure.
A long long time ago, my Mom and Dad and I lived in Turin Italy - he was on sabbatical. There were a rash of cable car crashes then (60's). The joke in the press was that the Swiss would use the cables in their cars until they no longer met the safety specifications. They would then sell them to the French. The French would later sell them to the Italians.
*Straight forward no sugar coating, we need MORE like you SIR!*