THANK YOU - VERY GOOD JOB! I practice Chinese Kung Fu, Hung Gar for many, many years. I have trained briefly in the Budoken in Tokyo, Japan. I can tell you; the story goes that when the Okinawans were learning Kung Fu, from Chinese migrants, they were under duress from constant invasion. As so, they didn't have 20 years time to train, which is what most Chinese masters would say it takes to learn the entire system. And because of this, they didn't learn in such detail but was taught the 'gist' of it. It's evident when I see certain forms that have roots in Hung Gar. This, by no means, takes away from the capability of these systems. In fact, they usually perform better in less time (as I think, was the point of the Okinawans; to be capable as quickly as possible to deal with the invasion threat).
Your "Karate Nerd in China" series is probably my favorite series in the TH-cam realm- especially in the martial arts. You are not only documenting, but you are giving knowledge of ancient Chinese techniques that are quite rare to find in the West.
A lot of the karate katas you showed can be seen in kungfu styles originating in Fujian. Not surprising since there is a long historical connection between Okinawa and Fujian.
Thank you, man. I, who love those martial arts, am really impressed by your video. Indeed, we can see the influence between both Traditional Karate and Chinese Martial Arts.
Gojuryu and Uechiryu are both Nahate and influenced by Southern White-crane Kungfu including Wingchun. Shotokan, Shorinji are Shurite and were influenced by Shaolin Kungfu.
Choki Motobu was absolutely right when he said that every kata is actually a fighting style for itself,and this video proves it.Almost all of the kata in the video is from different style of Kung Fu.
05:27 The Kung Fu form shown is the 32 posture Tai Tzu Chang Quan of the Emperor Zhao Kuang Yin. It is the root form that all of Tai Chi sprang forth from.
I agree. China, Japan, Korea... There must be exchange of martial arts between Far east countries. Like Jiujutsu or Judo, somehow similar to Qin na and Shuai Jiao. And Aikido has few similarities in application with Tai chi and Ba Gua zhang.
@@tatumergo3931 thanks for many info. I only have interest on Japanese martial arts quite recently so still many things to learn. Background mostly in Chinese martial arts.
@@tatumergo3931 thanks for the offer for questions. I'm very interested to learn about koryu Kenjutsu and Jiujitsu. I cant find any dojo in my city for the classic styles. But as you said, it's really fascinating how classic Japanese martial arts focused on weapons especially long sword katana. I have practised Tai chi for 20 years, Yang and Chen style, and few Wushu basics when younger. Different philosophy have to say. I found this paragraph from Chen Tai chi teaching: "It is said that the Tai Chi Expert practises the Hand Form to cultivate the mind, He practises the Sword to nourish his Chi, He practises the Sabre to strengthen his character and decisiveness, He practises the Spear to increase his wisdom and focus, He practises Inner Strength to develop Jing (focused power). The Hand Form is the foundation for the effective use of weapons. If the Hand Form is all right, nothing will go wrong". I guess basically Kenjutsu was developed for warfare and killing, as main difference.
@@tatumergo3931 wow. thanks a lot for a whole lot of info. Yes, I heard that if want to learn Koryu Kenjutsu it's gonna take some effort. Of course need to be in Japan and learn to be able to communicate in Japanese. I'm learning slowly from now and hopefully I can spend few years living in Japan haha. I like Kuroda Tetsuzan sensei's style Komagawa Kaishin Ryu. But for option, Niten Ichi Ryu and Katori Shinto Ryu are also a good choice. Let's see whether I can get that opportunity 😁🤞. I have basics from long time Chen and Yang Tai Chi, However, just not enough chance to practise more applications. Anyway, thanks again for many info.
The beautiful thing about the Okinawans is that they have always gave the Chinese people very much credit for the development of what we today call karate. And much of their culture is also heavily influenced by the Chinese.
Ok. You said Okinawans, which makes sense. Because Japanese definitely didn't give credit to the Chinese for shit. They tried to whitewash the history by changing the meaning of the term Karate from Way of Tang's(Chinese) Hand to Way of Empty Hand. This was to promote the art during Imperial Japan to promote nationalism.
@@EdDy4RheelZ japan culture is riddled with chinese influence from the ground up , but they and the world often don't acknowledge this, its a popular belief in USA too that Japan created everything themselves. The romanticized Samurai etc.. while the Chinese had the real diverse weapon and blade skills, and history.. Bushido is super young comparatively. The Chinese martial arts - Wushu - are demonstrably much much older than the Japanese arts, though by the same token it might've come from India :)
@@EdDy4RheelZ that was actually not the only name for it and it's likely more complicated than that here is some reading material you may be interested in. "The meeting that changed Karate history forever - Okinawa 1936" "3 - The Theory of Tī"
@@solarflair3613 oh boy, Chinese influence is acknowledged in schools and if anything the influence is overblown, Japan also have diverse weapons and their blades stills were admired influence Ming Dynasty swords/sword Arts and other countries in Asia. What people known as Bushido today is more modern however Bushido concept goes back further, karate is also likely a mix of native Okinawan, Chinese and Japanese martial art influence, with that there was no evidence for Indian influence on Chinese martial arts
Lo que pude ver en mi experiencia es que los que practican algun estilo de kung fu chino pueden aprender karate muy rapido pero los que hacian karate no podian aprender kung fu tan rapido era como empezar de cero y eso me causo curiosidad
The cultural exchange is very strong and resemblance is right on. China influence impacted Okinawa and benefited a lot. I can say the same thing about Japan& Korea as well (Western influences too). Southeast Asia has benefits, including the exchange of (some) Indian influences as well.
Incredible research! A picture says a thousand words! You have solved so many puzzles in one video. Thank you! I think a chuojiao fan zi quan comparison (Song dynasty) would also be interesting, as it was the parent system to many styles shown here, but I don't want to sound too greedy because this has answered at least four decades worth of very specific questions I've had regarding origins/links etc. Amazing! Really amazing.
Excelente trabajo. La relación entre el karate original de okinawa y el wushu es intrínseca. Claramente no lo ve el que no lo quiere. En su época china fué lo que Roma para occidente. Gran parte de la cultura oriental en general proviene de china (y eso incluye sus técnicas de lucha) siempre se puede trazar su ruta hasta china. A los fanáticos pro Japón y que hablan de ti y lalala yo les pregunto ¿Sabías que en realidad lo que aprendió como método de lucha el "gran" Sokon matsumura, ToTe sakugawa, seisho Aragaki y todos ellos en realidad era Chuan-Fa o Wushu estilo grulla y puño del monje? Todos esos maestros aprendieron lo que hoy llamamos Kung Fu y ahora son los respetados maestros dentro del karate tradicional. Creo que éste es un hecho que siempre incomodó y va a seguir incomodando a los japoneses.
Concordo que as raízes do karatê sejam da china isso é indiscutível mas vejo também que uma mudança na forma de usar a arte pois o Kung Fu é fluido continuo e o karatê não
@@eliseununes4504 Estimado, lamentablemente hay muchos estilos "japoneses" que son los más conocidos en el mundo, dando esa imágen. Pero dentro del karate de okinawa (algunos estilos de Goju Ryu ortodoxos y dentro del Shorin Ryu, el kobayashi kyudokan tienen muchísima circularidad al igual que el wushu. Simplemente que el karate "for export" y más difundido se apartó de sus raíces okinawenses.
Para nada...los japoneses,que no los okinawuenses,tienen sus propias artes que no provienen de china...jujuysu y todos los aiki son estilos puros japoneses
algo muy importante en el chuan fa la rotación y giros los movimientos de la cadera y la pelvis y la cintura son en ambas direcciones tanto derecha izquierda arriba abajo y suelo en fin en varias direcciones a máxima velocidad
hora si vi q el chuan fa es kenpō en Okinawa haora llamado kung fu usa un hojo undo como el karate okinawa y el uso giro movimiento rotación de la cadera y la pelvis y la cintura y el tronco
It looks like the major difference is that, for the same kata, karate practitioners are doing it to practice the real fight movements, while kung fu ones are doing it more like purely doing kata excercise, and the movements are kinda overly exaggerated for workout, probably the result of lacking of sparring. I am ex-Baji practitioner, not karateka, just a personal comment.
definitely hard vs soft, my friend does (uchi ryu, bad spelling) and he is hard as nails, i train in some iron palms and iron arms but i dont have it and it seems only my sifu does and very few students have that exterior toughness that real karate seem to have, my efforts are also lacking but i can see the training is non comparable as far as exterior toughness
The more fair conclusion is that karate seems to simplify the movements, while kung-fu remains more of the original. What I find missing is the real interpretation of these movements. The current bunkai understanding seems to be all wrong, a lot of these circular movements might mean something entirely different to what is currently believed to be!
I call Karate and Judo both, 100+ year old mixed martial arts combining local traditional folk styles and clan martial arts schools with some influence from catch wrestling, bareknuckle boxing, and Savate (as exposed to them by English, French, American, Portuguese, Dutch mariners and mercenaries) and arts that Japanese and Okinawan sailors would have encountered on the mainland + in the Pacific island nations
I agree with you my friend. I regret that I didn't study karate, but Taekwondo instead in which I learnt for four and half years to get my my black belt. Judo is the best for throwing. Basically, I like judo, boxing, goji Ryu karate.
@@ericwong9370 i have to add that altough judo nowadays is primarily seen as only a throwing art, it's original form was much more balanced in striking, throwing and the ground. It still primarily focused on the throwing aspect because it is the most effective way to end a fight and the ground was and still is to dangerous to only focus on that but bjj for example is a direct disendent of judo and catch wrestling and took everything from those two arts. So yes judo is best at throwing but the ground game is also very rich in important techniques
@@xaverdamien3986 BJJ he doesn't descend from the catch... he had some influence from the wrestler but little until because in recent decades this part was separated and today the wrestler is trained separately and in BJJ it is trained ptatically only newaza and sometimes self defense, and these two parts came from jujutsu to judo and from judo to bjj... BJJ's double leg came from capoeira, and wrestler's single leg... The wrestler's greatest influence was from the Greek Roman, but there was little left, you saw it more in Carlson's students and in the BJJ trained to Vale Tudo... BJJ (sport jiujitsu) was created in the 90's, although there was already a newaza sports competition before, it was trained focused on MMA... after the 90's competitions, jiujitsu was separated into two parts... One became today's newaza (bjj) and the other became MMA in the mindset of Marcos Ruas, training each thing separately instead of creating an art just with everything like the Gracie did... That's why BJJ lost the wrestler part, because it made more sense to train wrestler WITH WRESTLERS... if you fight in the gi, maybe judo makes more sense instead of wrestler, then each athlete makes their own mix... In the old school, from Helio to the 90s, everything was within jiujitsu, punches (boxing), kicks, elbows and knees (capoeira), wrestler, judo takedowns, newaza, the self defense of the old jujutsu that was also the same in ancient judo... Helio against Japanese always fought sports jiu jitsu (submission) kind of out of respect, and also because he wanted to prove that his jiujitsu style worked, but against non-Japanese he always fought VALE TUDO... There is a fight against a 100 kg Wrestler that Hélio spends the fight defending takedowns, because he thought it would be more difficult to win on the ground, and he beats Wrestler because he was bad at defending knee and elbow... A lot of people think that Helio fought with his back on the ground, that was in sports jiujitsu, not in MMA... THE Luta livre has GENEALOGICAL origins in Catch, but it was the name of the rule created by Carlos Gracie TO FIGHT A CATCH WRESTLER... so it was to neutralize Wrestler advantages, such as the pin, for a long time.who fought wrestling were judokas and jiujitsu guys, only decades after a tribe coming from Tatu do catch became the representative of wrestling, but had already assimilated jiujitsu into their style, I didn't have a pin, I played guard, it was just no-gi jiujitsu, but I had some catch heritage... they don't like to be on the bottom, they like double wrist locks, they don't pull guard, these 3 things are the main difference in jiujitsu for them But they don't have a wrestler-based game that much, and there's no oin, no pin, no Catch, it mischaracterizes and Catch loses its main component the WRESTLER...
So back with helio they practically only took old judo (also the atemiwaza/striking)+ old school jujustsu self defence and capoeira and took it into vale Tudo matches as I can read here.
@@xaverdamien3986 Only? How many people have already tried this? How many got? Helio studied Capoeiristas, Boxers, Wrestlers, and there he combined boxing, old judo (kano jiu jitsu) and capoeira (capoeira at the time was similar to muay thay, this style disappeared in the 70's later of losing the Gracie challenge, it was a small community in Rio, only traditional capoeira (Angola) and the regional creation from the 50's or 60's that looks like break dancing still exists today) Look at Inoki and Gene Lebell fights in the USA... The whole world TRIED to do what Helio did... Before that another Brazilian had tried to merge Japanese Jiujitsu (traditional) with Capoeira and it didn't work and his lineage died... In Japan they tried in the 90's, and the ground with Strike and wrestler was completely disconnected... and even then that had Brazilian influence but pro wrestler mentality... Antonio Inoki lived in Brazil, met Vale Tudo here, and took our best fighter to his team, Ivan Gomes, based on that he tried to create a more realistic pro wrestler... And from that team came the founder of Shoto (I don't remember the exact name but he was the first to try MMA in Japan)... I doubt it wasn't influenced by Vale Tudo, and even then they didn't know how to mix the arts... What Helio did is not "ONLY"... Judokas didn't even know how to use Judo for real fighting until the Gracies taught them how to do it... WRESTLERS didn't know how to use Wrestler in a real fight until the Gracie and especially Carlson taught how to do it... None of this is "ONLY"... Decades of being punched in the face to find out how to make this "only"...
There are other stiles as you can see in the video, but perhaps white crane is the most portant influence (especially in stiles like goju and uechi ryu)
I really like karate when it's explained like this I just wish a lot of the Masters would go back to the source material and then learn it and then integrate it back in
Excelente contenido. Los kyusho son interesantes. Existe la posibilidad que puedan ayudarme con una duda. Estos puntos se activan mediante presión, fricción o percusión, ¿existe una manera para saber con exactitud cuál de los métodos antes mencionados debo utilizar o es que estos ya están predeterminados?. Pregunto esto porque quizás, debo friccionar por ejemplo los tendones o presionar arterias, es decir, cómo puedo saber qué punto debo golpear y cómo. ¿Existe alguna regla?. Saludos y agradecido de antemano por su gentil respuesta.
Hola, gracias por el comentario. Respecto a tu pregunta te recomiendo que eches un vistazo a estos vídeos (son un poco largos, pero en ellos hablo precisamente sobre cuándo debe usarse el golpeo, la fricción o la presión) : th-cam.com/play/PLZdo2lET-_Uc64wmycTma6gBIbYJLITuG.html
@@BUNKAIKARATE ya los ví los videos, he mirado su contenido y es excelente. Te agradezco por compartir estos conocimientos (que son especiales). Practico karate estilo shotokan por muchos años y todo esto me ha ayudado a comprender muchas cosas. ¿Existe algún correo electrónico u otro medio dónde pueda tener una comunicación más directa con usted?
@@BUNKAIKARATE :: está comprobado que estás técnicas orientales antiguas,no sirven para nada,,hay un practicante de AMM japonés que los pulveriza dentro del ring,,a varios maestros tanto de Kun fu , cómo de karate antiguos les dió una tremenda paliza,, que sí no lo sacaban los iba a desfigurar,,ya no sirve eso y está comprobado
Kung fu, karate, and Korean arts, still work today in a street fight. It worked for me, when I was sucker punched, years after I stopped training. It will not work against a professional boxer, Muy Thai, or MMA fighter, or any other professional. It worked 500 to 1000 years ago, because that is the way they fought then. Ali changed all that, when boxing became a profession.
Having experienced a bit of good quality Chinese martial arts after a couple of decades in Karate, I have come to the conclusion that Karate is simply Kung Fu done badly. This is not to say that Karate doesn’t work, but it’s far more inefficient in the way that it works than it’s Chinese ancestor.
China and Okinawa has a long history of cultural exchange and affinity and closer to ancient China preferring to be a vassal state of China until its annexation by Japan.
verdeo nombre del kung fu es chuan fa, y en Okinawa se decía kenpo y tode y en siglos después se cambió a karate de Okinawa como palabras modernas antiguas y el primer fue karate shorin ryu de okinawa
the guy at the beginning is wrong. Okinawa Karate was called Tang Shou (Tang dynasty hands) aka Chinese Kungfu / Wushu dont tell lies. its so obvious. If you want to master Karate or Jijutsu, go to China and lean it there. alot of things has been lost during the migration to Okinawa/Japan.
It had more than one name and that was not the primary focus. Jujutsu originate in Japan. Which karate is a mix of multiple Arts from different people.
Forms are nothing unless you understand how they function in different situations against all other different styles. And if the physical condition isn't well prepared, you can't even last 2 rounds. Try some VR boxing games and you will understand.
I do immensely respect Karate and Kung Fu but Kung Fu in general is soooo much complete and powerful, it has everything from every animal, those who know will agree with me.
It's just great kungfu teachers are hard to find nowadays Most of them don't know how to fight anymore, and those who are real masters may be very old or don't want to teach anymore
Kung fu miało wpływ na rozwój karate wcześniejszą sztuka TE przybrała część form wybitnych mistrzów i przekształciła je w obecne formy karate nie porównywał bym gimnastyki kung fu ( jedyna dobra odmiana kung fu to shaolin i to tylko dzięki ciężkiemu treningowi fizycznemu i odmianie San Da) z sztuka walki jaką jest karate
I've done my share of Kung Fu some years back. I now do Krav Maga. The striking and trapping is certainly there. When I told my old Sifu I was doing Krav. He told me it is a good thing because we're no longer swinging broadswords on the battle field anymore.
wait... those martial arts are the same and only differ in the name and the place/country they come from. the most different is the rules when it is played in the tournament ?????? my mind just had an impressive opinion (** subjectively)
китайские корни бесспорны ,но следовало бы изучить матчасть прежде чем идентефицировать вин чун сим лим тао,с ката тенсе. да и прочие притянуты за уши. да. автор,аналога стилю карате уечи рю в китае -нет.😆
Chun Li te ce Kong Sau te Tang han Sau wen han Sau te kyang zuo di Yan zai Kong fu xue Chin bi te nenng zhi Ren Cheng te Ta te she Lao Hai she Wang Kong Sau tang
THANK YOU - VERY GOOD JOB! I practice Chinese Kung Fu, Hung Gar for many, many years. I have trained briefly in the Budoken in Tokyo, Japan. I can tell you; the story goes that when the Okinawans were learning Kung Fu, from Chinese migrants, they were under duress from constant invasion. As so, they didn't have 20 years time to train, which is what most Chinese masters would say it takes to learn the entire system. And because of this, they didn't learn in such detail but was taught the 'gist' of it. It's evident when I see certain forms that have roots in Hung Gar. This, by no means, takes away from the capability of these systems. In fact, they usually perform better in less time (as I think, was the point of the Okinawans; to be capable as quickly as possible to deal with the invasion threat).
Well done!! 👏 This is what I discovered in my "Karate Nerd in China" videos
I watched those videos, wanderful job
@@BUNKAIKARATE Thank you! 🙏
Your "Karate Nerd in China" series is probably my favorite series in the TH-cam realm- especially in the martial arts. You are not only documenting, but you are giving knowledge of ancient Chinese techniques that are quite rare to find in the West.
Saw the one with the Crane master. Well done.
Jesse Enkamp!!😱😱😱I'm your big fan! Oss🙏🙏🙏👊👊👊🥊🥊🥊🥋🥋🥋
This was beautiful! My Grand Master always said, "Look for the similarities, not the differences."
Do you happen to know Sal Canzonieri? He said the same thing to me last Thursday.
@@bredmond812sorry, never heard of him
Very wise.
@@roloduarte3100 Yes....yes he was. He was also my Uncle. R.I.P.
realy wise teacher ...
Probablemente, el mejor video educativo sobre los orígenes del Karate. Gracias.
Gracias a ti por el comentario. Saludos
Disculpa, pero quien es el tipo del segundo 0:03 que habla del "Ti"
A lot of the karate katas you showed can be seen in kungfu styles originating in Fujian. Not surprising since there is a long historical connection between Okinawa and Fujian.
I have never seen such a complete video on these “similarities”. Well done and thank you for building this!
Thank you very much
Yes, well done!
Thank you, man. I, who love those martial arts, am really impressed by your video. Indeed, we can see the influence between both Traditional Karate and Chinese Martial Arts.
Genio y Maestro Tetsuhiro Hokama!!! Excelente!!!
The man who compiled these videos must be a Professor.
😀 thank you, but there's no professor here, just a guy
Si bien hay influencia china en los estilos de karate, el estilo que más lo evidencia en mi opinión es el uechi ryu.
El karate es kung-fu, el kung-fu es karate.
Gojuryu and Uechiryu are both Nahate and influenced by Southern White-crane Kungfu including Wingchun. Shotokan, Shorinji are Shurite and were influenced by Shaolin Kungfu.
Choki Motobu was absolutely right when he said that every kata is actually a fighting style for itself,and this video proves it.Almost all of the kata in the video is from different style of Kung Fu.
05:27
The Kung Fu form shown is the 32 posture Tai Tzu Chang Quan of the Emperor Zhao Kuang Yin. It is the root form that all of Tai Chi sprang forth from.
Querido Y Viejo Goju Ryu!!! Excelente!! Saludos!!!
Nice Collection, the bridge is always there...
So viel Arbeit, die Ähnlichkeiten zu erkennen und zu sortieren. Sehr gut🤩
I agree. China, Japan, Korea... There must be exchange of martial arts between Far east countries. Like Jiujutsu or Judo, somehow similar to Qin na and Shuai Jiao. And Aikido has few similarities in application with Tai chi and Ba Gua zhang.
@@tatumergo3931 thanks for many info. I only have interest on Japanese martial arts quite recently so still many things to learn. Background mostly in Chinese martial arts.
@@tatumergo3931 thanks for the offer for questions. I'm very interested to learn about koryu Kenjutsu and Jiujitsu. I cant find any dojo in my city for the classic styles. But as you said, it's really fascinating how classic Japanese martial arts focused on weapons especially long sword katana. I have practised Tai chi for 20 years, Yang and Chen style, and few Wushu basics when younger. Different philosophy have to say.
I found this paragraph from Chen Tai chi teaching: "It is said that the Tai Chi Expert practises the Hand Form to cultivate the mind, He practises the Sword to nourish his Chi, He practises the Sabre to strengthen his character and decisiveness, He practises the Spear to increase his wisdom and focus, He practises Inner Strength to develop Jing (focused power). The Hand Form is the foundation for the effective use of weapons. If the Hand Form is all right, nothing will go wrong".
I guess basically Kenjutsu was developed for warfare and killing, as main difference.
@@tatumergo3931 wow. thanks a lot for a whole lot of info. Yes, I heard that if want to learn Koryu Kenjutsu it's gonna take some effort. Of course need to be in Japan and learn to be able to communicate in Japanese. I'm learning slowly from now and hopefully I can spend few years living in Japan haha. I like Kuroda Tetsuzan sensei's style Komagawa Kaishin Ryu. But for option, Niten Ichi Ryu and Katori Shinto Ryu are also a good choice. Let's see whether I can get that opportunity 😁🤞. I have basics from long time Chen and Yang Tai Chi, However, just not enough chance to practise more applications. Anyway, thanks again for many info.
@@kokovas hola. En una pelea real, que es mejor?
Tai Chi Chen o Tai Chi Yang?
Saludos
@@danielmoralesmorales Wutang Taichi ZHang Sanfeng, the originator of all taichi
Belíssimo trabalho! Obrigado por compartilhar! Saludos de Brasil!
The beautiful thing about the Okinawans is that they have always gave the Chinese people very much credit for the development of what we today call karate. And much of their culture is also heavily influenced by the Chinese.
Ok. You said Okinawans, which makes sense. Because Japanese definitely didn't give credit to the Chinese for shit. They tried to whitewash the history by changing the meaning of the term Karate from Way of Tang's(Chinese) Hand to Way of Empty Hand. This was to promote the art during Imperial Japan to promote nationalism.
@@EdDy4RheelZ japan culture is riddled with chinese influence from the ground up , but they and the world often don't acknowledge this, its a popular belief in USA too that Japan created everything themselves. The romanticized Samurai etc.. while the Chinese had the real diverse weapon and blade skills, and history.. Bushido is super young comparatively. The Chinese martial arts - Wushu - are demonstrably much much older than the Japanese arts, though by the same token it might've come from India :)
It nice to see artwork of Bhodhidharma in Okinawan dojos
@@EdDy4RheelZ that was actually not the only name for it and it's likely more complicated than that here is some reading material you may be interested in.
"The meeting that changed Karate history forever - Okinawa 1936"
"3 - The Theory of Tī"
@@solarflair3613 oh boy, Chinese influence is acknowledged in schools and if anything the influence is overblown, Japan also have diverse weapons and their blades stills were admired influence Ming Dynasty swords/sword Arts and other countries in Asia.
What people known as Bushido today is more modern however Bushido concept goes back further, karate is also likely a mix of native Okinawan, Chinese and Japanese martial art influence, with that there was no evidence for Indian influence on Chinese martial arts
Lo que pude ver en mi experiencia es que los que practican algun estilo de kung fu chino pueden aprender karate muy rapido pero los que hacian karate no podian aprender kung fu tan rapido era como empezar de cero y eso me causo curiosidad
This is one of the most thorough videos on explaining the origin of Karate.This is really outstanding.Respect for the maker of this video.
Thanks for your coment 😉
@@BUNKAIKARATE I'm subscribed.Continue making great content.
The cultural exchange is very strong and resemblance is right on. China influence impacted Okinawa and benefited a lot. I can say the same thing about Japan& Korea as well (Western influences too). Southeast Asia has benefits, including the exchange of (some) Indian influences as well.
VEry important work you have done ! thank you very much for your effort !
Thank you 😉
4:32 The Karate master seems to have winging scapula.
I like the posture to of tiptoeing at the horse stance. There's a form/kata like that.
Incredible research! A picture says a thousand words! You have solved so many puzzles in one video. Thank you! I think a chuojiao fan zi quan comparison (Song dynasty) would also be interesting, as it was the parent system to many styles shown here, but I don't want to sound too greedy because this has answered at least four decades worth of very specific questions I've had regarding origins/links etc. Amazing! Really amazing.
Thanks for your coment 😀
Excelente trabajo. La relación entre el karate original de okinawa y el wushu es intrínseca. Claramente no lo ve el que no lo quiere. En su época china fué lo que Roma para occidente. Gran parte de la cultura oriental en general proviene de china (y eso incluye sus técnicas de lucha) siempre se puede trazar su ruta hasta china. A los fanáticos pro Japón y que hablan de ti y lalala yo les pregunto ¿Sabías que en realidad lo que aprendió como método de lucha el "gran" Sokon matsumura, ToTe sakugawa, seisho Aragaki y todos ellos en realidad era Chuan-Fa o Wushu estilo grulla y puño del monje? Todos esos maestros aprendieron lo que hoy llamamos Kung Fu y ahora son los respetados maestros dentro del karate tradicional.
Creo que éste es un hecho que siempre incomodó y va a seguir incomodando a los japoneses.
Totalmente Santiago. Saludos
Concordo que as raízes do karatê sejam da china isso é indiscutível mas vejo também que uma mudança na forma de usar a arte pois o Kung Fu é fluido continuo e o karatê não
@@eliseununes4504 Estimado, lamentablemente hay muchos estilos "japoneses" que son los más conocidos en el mundo, dando esa imágen. Pero dentro del karate de okinawa (algunos estilos de Goju Ryu ortodoxos y dentro del Shorin Ryu, el kobayashi kyudokan tienen muchísima circularidad al igual que el wushu. Simplemente que el karate "for export" y más difundido se apartó de sus raíces okinawenses.
Tou Te (or Tou Di) originated from kung fu in Ryukyu Kingdom. Gigo Funakoshi, Masatoshi Nakayama and other turned Tou Te into Karate.
Para nada...los japoneses,que no los okinawuenses,tienen sus propias artes que no provienen de china...jujuysu y todos los aiki son estilos puros japoneses
Kata forms looks so familiar from Kung Fu forms.
algo muy importante en el chuan fa la rotación y giros los movimientos de la cadera y la pelvis y la cintura son en ambas direcciones tanto derecha izquierda arriba abajo y suelo en fin en varias direcciones a máxima velocidad
There are WAY more connections to Northern Chinese kung fu than I thought! How interesting
Shotokan and Shorinji yes more northern influence. Gojuryu, Uechiryu are more southern influence
FKN XLNT- having studied over 40yrs in multiple Arts of All ethnicities, 👁️ found this Fascinating since my main Style is Shaolin! ☯️
hora si vi q el chuan fa es kenpō en Okinawa haora llamado kung fu usa un hojo undo como el karate okinawa y el uso giro movimiento rotación de la cadera y la pelvis y la cintura y el tronco
It looks like the major difference is that, for the same kata, karate practitioners are doing it to practice the real fight movements, while kung fu ones are doing it more like purely doing kata excercise, and the movements are kinda overly exaggerated for workout, probably the result of lacking of sparring. I am ex-Baji practitioner, not karateka, just a personal comment.
definitely hard vs soft, my friend does (uchi ryu, bad spelling) and he is hard as nails, i train in some iron palms and iron arms but i dont have it and it seems only my sifu does and very few students have that exterior toughness that real karate seem to have, my efforts are also lacking but i can see the training is non comparable as far as exterior toughness
The more fair conclusion is that karate seems to simplify the movements, while kung-fu remains more of the original. What I find missing is the real interpretation of these movements. The current bunkai understanding seems to be all wrong, a lot of these circular movements might mean something entirely different to what is currently believed to be!
You're a disgrace to your Bajiquan teacher saying that. Bajiquan and Hung Gar have been used to fight forever.
Karate is a semplified version of kung fu. You need years and years of daily practicing to learn kung fu. End of the story
and still sooo many people disrespect kung fu
南拳北腿の色んな門派から技や鍛錬法をかき集めた寄せ集めだったんだ
Wonderful video.
Actually Wing Chun was deprived from White Crane. Okinawa Karate is from Southern Shaolin White Crane Kung Fu.
Yes both Wingchun and White-crane were created by the same lady Fan Jing Niang
Pretty cool. Gives new meaning to forms/kata.
I call Karate and Judo both, 100+ year old mixed martial arts combining local traditional folk styles and clan martial arts schools with some influence from catch wrestling, bareknuckle boxing, and Savate (as exposed to them by English, French, American, Portuguese, Dutch mariners and mercenaries) and arts that Japanese and Okinawan sailors would have encountered on the mainland + in the Pacific island nations
I agree with you my friend. I regret that I didn't study karate, but Taekwondo instead in which I learnt for four and half years to get my my black belt. Judo is the best for throwing. Basically, I like judo, boxing, goji Ryu karate.
@@ericwong9370 i have to add that altough judo nowadays is primarily seen as only a throwing art, it's original form was much more balanced in striking, throwing and the ground.
It still primarily focused on the throwing aspect because it is the most effective way to end a fight and the ground was and still is to dangerous to only focus on that but bjj for example is a direct disendent of judo and catch wrestling and took everything from those two arts.
So yes judo is best at throwing but the ground game is also very rich in important techniques
@@xaverdamien3986 BJJ he doesn't descend from the catch... he had some influence from the wrestler but little until because in recent decades this part was separated and today the wrestler is trained separately and in BJJ it is trained ptatically only newaza and sometimes self defense, and these two parts came from jujutsu to judo and from judo to bjj...
BJJ's double leg came from capoeira, and wrestler's single leg...
The wrestler's greatest influence was from the Greek Roman, but there was little left, you saw it more in Carlson's students and in the BJJ trained to Vale Tudo...
BJJ (sport jiujitsu) was created in the 90's, although there was already a newaza sports competition before, it was trained focused on MMA... after the 90's competitions, jiujitsu was separated into two parts...
One became today's newaza (bjj) and the other became MMA in the mindset of Marcos Ruas, training each thing separately instead of creating an art just with everything like the Gracie did...
That's why BJJ lost the wrestler part, because it made more sense to train wrestler WITH WRESTLERS... if you fight in the gi, maybe judo makes more sense instead of wrestler, then each athlete makes their own mix...
In the old school, from Helio to the 90s, everything was within jiujitsu, punches (boxing), kicks, elbows and knees (capoeira), wrestler, judo takedowns, newaza, the self defense of the old jujutsu that was also the same in ancient judo...
Helio against Japanese always fought sports jiu jitsu (submission) kind of out of respect, and also because he wanted to prove that his jiujitsu style worked, but against non-Japanese he always fought VALE TUDO...
There is a fight against a 100 kg Wrestler that Hélio spends the fight defending takedowns, because he thought it would be more difficult to win on the ground, and he beats Wrestler because he was bad at defending knee and elbow...
A lot of people think that Helio fought with his back on the ground, that was in sports jiujitsu, not in MMA...
THE Luta livre has GENEALOGICAL origins in Catch, but it was the name of the rule created by Carlos Gracie TO FIGHT A CATCH WRESTLER... so it was to neutralize Wrestler advantages, such as the pin, for a long time.who fought wrestling were judokas and jiujitsu guys, only decades after a tribe coming from Tatu do catch became the representative of wrestling, but had already assimilated jiujitsu into their style, I didn't have a pin, I played guard, it was just no-gi jiujitsu, but I had some catch heritage... they don't like to be on the bottom, they like double wrist locks, they don't pull guard, these 3 things are the main difference in jiujitsu for them
But they don't have a wrestler-based game that much, and there's no oin, no pin, no Catch, it mischaracterizes and Catch loses its main component the WRESTLER...
So back with helio they practically only took old judo (also the atemiwaza/striking)+ old school jujustsu self defence and capoeira and took it into vale Tudo matches as I can read here.
@@xaverdamien3986 Only?
How many people have already tried this? How many got?
Helio studied Capoeiristas, Boxers, Wrestlers, and there he combined boxing, old judo (kano jiu jitsu) and capoeira (capoeira at the time was similar to muay thay, this style disappeared in the 70's later of losing the Gracie challenge, it was a small community in Rio, only traditional capoeira (Angola) and the regional creation from the 50's or 60's that looks like break dancing still exists today)
Look at Inoki and Gene Lebell fights in the USA...
The whole world TRIED to do what Helio did...
Before that another Brazilian had tried to merge Japanese Jiujitsu (traditional) with Capoeira and it didn't work and his lineage died...
In Japan they tried in the 90's, and the ground with Strike and wrestler was completely disconnected... and even then that had Brazilian influence but pro wrestler mentality... Antonio Inoki lived in Brazil, met Vale Tudo here, and took our best fighter to his team, Ivan Gomes, based on that he tried to create a more realistic pro wrestler...
And from that team came the founder of Shoto (I don't remember the exact name but he was the first to try MMA in Japan)...
I doubt it wasn't influenced by Vale Tudo, and even then they didn't know how to mix the arts...
What Helio did is not "ONLY"...
Judokas didn't even know how to use Judo for real fighting until the Gracies taught them how to do it...
WRESTLERS didn't know how to use Wrestler in a real fight until the Gracie and especially Carlson taught how to do it...
None of this is "ONLY"...
Decades of being punched in the face to find out how to make this "only"...
To say that the Japanese Karate is a completely unique system is not meant to deny the influence that Chinese Kung fu had on its development.
Japanese karate is one thing, okinawan karate is quite another!
You have spent genuine efforts to make this excellent video🙋♂️👍🙋♂️🇨🇳🇯🇵Please accept my admiration and gratitude🙏
Thank you very much 😉
The video bears huge historical importance.
Just curious. Does the white crane style is the only style influence karate? Or there are also other kung fu styles aside from white crane?
There are other stiles as you can see in the video, but perhaps white crane is the most portant influence (especially in stiles like goju and uechi ryu)
@@BUNKAIKARATEThanks for the reply! More power to your channel. 😉
I really like karate when it's explained like this I just wish a lot of the Masters would go back to the source material and then learn it and then integrate it back in
What is really missing is the true original bunkai of these forms. Every one has ideas but there's no conclusive concept.
@@tatumergo3931 Wu Bei Shi (Bu Bi shi) must contain the original bunkai
Que buen video, magnífico.
Wow Great job!
It's very eye-opening
Los estilos de Kung fu que salen en su mayoría son de su ahí kung fu tradicional , o contemporáneo?
Tradicionales, en la descripción del video puedes ver el nombre de los estilos y maestros que aparecen. Saludos
Excelente contenido.
Los kyusho son interesantes. Existe la posibilidad que puedan ayudarme con una duda. Estos puntos se activan mediante presión, fricción o percusión, ¿existe una manera para saber con exactitud cuál de los métodos antes mencionados debo utilizar o es que estos ya están predeterminados?. Pregunto esto porque quizás, debo friccionar por ejemplo los tendones o presionar arterias, es decir, cómo puedo saber qué punto debo golpear y cómo. ¿Existe alguna regla?. Saludos y agradecido de antemano por su gentil respuesta.
Hola, gracias por el comentario. Respecto a tu pregunta te recomiendo que eches un vistazo a estos vídeos (son un poco largos, pero en ellos hablo precisamente sobre cuándo debe usarse el golpeo, la fricción o la presión) : th-cam.com/play/PLZdo2lET-_Uc64wmycTma6gBIbYJLITuG.html
@@BUNKAIKARATE ya los ví los videos, he mirado su contenido y es excelente. Te agradezco por compartir estos conocimientos (que son especiales). Practico karate estilo shotokan por muchos años y todo esto me ha ayudado a comprender muchas cosas. ¿Existe algún correo electrónico u otro medio dónde pueda tener una comunicación más directa con usted?
@@antonio.4947 Gracias. Para cualquier cuestión puede escribir aquí: kokoro-@hotmail.com
Saludos
@@BUNKAIKARATE :: está comprobado que estás técnicas orientales antiguas,no sirven para nada,,hay un practicante de AMM japonés que los pulveriza dentro del ring,,a varios maestros tanto de Kun fu , cómo de karate antiguos les dió una tremenda paliza,, que sí no lo sacaban los iba a desfigurar,,ya no sirve eso y está comprobado
Kung fu, karate, and Korean arts, still work today in a street fight. It worked for me, when I was sucker punched, years after I stopped training. It will not work against a professional boxer, Muy Thai, or MMA fighter, or any other professional. It worked 500 to 1000 years ago, because that is the way they fought then. Ali changed all that, when boxing became a profession.
Cheers for all my karate homies
Trè trè bèl 👍 Oos ☯️ Hao dojea
Very nice, thank you for posting🙏
Kung Fu is the ancestor of Karate
Kung Fu es el ancestro del Karate
Da Índia para China até Okinawa/Japão.
From Persia to India to China to Okinawa to Japan and Korea to Southeast Asia
Wow! Beautiful kata!
2:30 hmmm... Uyucha no te looks like silek harimau from Minangkabau, west Sumatra,Indonesia
Having experienced a bit of good quality Chinese martial arts after a couple of decades in Karate, I have come to the conclusion that Karate is simply Kung Fu done badly. This is not to say that Karate doesn’t work, but it’s far more inefficient in the way that it works than it’s Chinese ancestor.
This was really awesome!
This confirms that Karate originated from kung-fu.
No watertight compartment.
I love this!!!
Great video 👍
Like everybody said Good Job!!!
China and Okinawa has a long history of cultural exchange and affinity and closer to ancient China preferring to be a vassal state of China until its annexation by Japan.
Hermoso video
verdeo nombre del kung fu es chuan fa, y en Okinawa se decía kenpo y tode y en siglos después se cambió a karate de Okinawa como palabras modernas antiguas y el primer fue karate shorin ryu de okinawa
the guy at the beginning is wrong. Okinawa Karate was called Tang Shou (Tang dynasty hands) aka Chinese Kungfu / Wushu dont tell lies.
its so obvious. If you want to master Karate or Jijutsu, go to China and lean it there. alot of things has been lost during the migration to Okinawa/Japan.
It had more than one name and that was not the primary focus.
Jujutsu originate in Japan.
Which karate is a mix of multiple Arts from different people.
magnifica recopilación
Sensei yahara, the best. Osu!
Great
Who says Karate didn’t came from Kung Fu? Kung Fu is the father of Karate.
muito interessante!
Magnífico!
Forms are nothing unless you understand how they function in different situations against all other different styles. And if the physical condition isn't well prepared, you can't even last 2 rounds. Try some VR boxing games and you will understand.
Phantastisch, sehr gut.
I do immensely respect Karate and Kung Fu but Kung Fu in general is soooo much complete and powerful, it has everything from every animal, those who know will agree with me.
It's just great kungfu teachers are hard to find nowadays
Most of them don't know how to fight anymore, and those who are real masters may be very old or don't want to teach anymore
no olvidemos que en Okinawa se decía todo tuidi te kenpo
All one road!
Okinawan masters +100000000 social credit
Good Chinsse traditional music! Sounds like 12 girls band!
Fantastic!!!!!!
El karate proviene de china su antiguo nombre era tode tuidi te y te
O poderoso kung-fú, e o poderoso karatê.
That like 漢words. It come from China but it have different styles.
magnificent footAge
Not Different same same arts i like wow😂😂😂😂 iam training in uechi ryu Okinawa karate
👍👍karate💪💪
...two legs and two hands mostly 😁
Kung fu miało wpływ na rozwój karate wcześniejszą sztuka TE przybrała część form wybitnych mistrzów i przekształciła je w obecne formy karate nie porównywał bym gimnastyki kung fu ( jedyna dobra odmiana kung fu to shaolin i to tylko dzięki ciężkiemu treningowi fizycznemu i odmianie San Da) z sztuka walki jaką jest karate
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I've done my share of Kung Fu some years back. I now do Krav Maga. The striking and trapping is certainly there. When I told my old Sifu I was doing Krav. He told me it is a good thing because we're no longer swinging broadswords on the battle field anymore.
Well now its official made in China too like other stuff 😅
from kungfu to karate and then become silat/pencak silat in southeast asia
wait... those martial arts are the same and only differ in the name and the place/country they come from. the most different is the rules when it is played in the tournament ??????
my mind just had an impressive opinion (** subjectively)
Early Bboys also took inspiration from Kung fu movies.
китайские корни бесспорны ,но следовало бы изучить матчасть прежде чем идентефицировать вин чун сим лим тао,с ката тенсе. да и прочие притянуты за уши. да. автор,аналога стилю карате уечи рю в китае -нет.😆
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Proof that the concept of makes martial arts goes way back before the Gracie's and even way back before Bruce Lee.
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