TCG strategy: Ban the big problem card in the deck to make it less oppressive Master Duel strategy: Ban every card around the problem card to make the deck so inconsistent that they'll just stop wanting to play it
Yeah, more copies of Meow Meow basically means "Hey, if my turn 1 board gets wiped and I live, I actually have plays on turn 3 instead of just laying down to die", which imo is pretty significant
I'm very happy about one aspect of MD's banlists. When a change in no longer relevant, usually it gets rolled back. I LOVE prank kids, but one meow mu really ruined its ability to do anything, seeing it come off the banlists so I can at least play pranks is just a great thing imo.
All the recent banlists were completly trash. There were some long overdue unlimits of cards, other than that nothing but randomly banning anything but the real problem cards, which mostly are URs.
@@milesandrews6711 it can brick and now that it’s at 2 it’s an even worse brick, shade is better for triggering sera manually and can be an interruption on your opponent’s turn, it also helps to make Redoer more consistently and you can even run shifter in the Deck with it
@@milesandrews6711 it's a one card rank 4/link 3 that also sets a trap from deck and is a trap to discard for holeutea or to summon vesiculo and can be used to trigger Sera so that holeutea can be left to trigger nepenthes if your on the nepenthes combo. So it other words it's better and less bricky and slightly better going second option. Parallel xceed is a noob trap much like the double or nothing combo and always has been.
@@rafflesiaandfriends okay firstly, it doesn't set a trap from deck, it just triggers Sera to summon a monster which you already use holetea for in your mainline combo The deck has enough traps to pitch for holetea, it doesn't need one that immediately becomes dead for its main purpose when a single trap hits the graveyard The card is also extremely bad to top deck, much worse than exceed because you will almost always have a trap card in your gy on your second turn Exceed is also an extra extender that can be used alongside your full combo unlike shade brigandine because it doesn't need to trigger sera to summon a second body and thus can be used alongside the holetea line, it's actually one of the easiest ways the deck can end on double rafflesia
The Md list is so weird. Like ib is still banned, yata and orange light are limited, and necroface at 2, but drident is gone everywhere else, the tear cards are all over the place and idk what’s going on with burial of goods. Idk banlists confuse me
They didn't miss, they put a stake through its heart and removed the head, they were making sure the deck stayed buried, the banning of the White Dragon was as clear as message can be.
You mentioned banning Soulpiercer and Superfactorial as ways of trying to hit Superheavy and Mathmech without touching URs. I'm wondering, does Branded have an equivalent like that? Gimmick Puppet Nightmare is a common card, but if that gets banned then they just pivot to a slightly worse floodgate monster, right? Is there a way to deal with that without just banning Sanctifire? (Which imo, as a Branded player, would be the correct way to get rid of the problem but it's a UR)
What about an erratum? They could have Sanctifire Albion negate the effects of the monster summoned to your opponent's side of the board. Granted, you can still lock your opponent with Jowgen summoned to your own field but that one at least is outed -by Infinite Impermanence or- by battle. Edit: And Sanctifire had to give them one of your monsters that is at least good for _some_ thing as a body.
The fact is puppet lock strategy is a plat/diamond strategy, I'm master 4 and I never saw it used against me in high ranks, also it isn't even present in recent branded meta decks because it's just bad. (I'm a branded player myself)
Hard agree, even verte should be on the chopping block. Circumvents ash, unbricks hands, makes mirrorjade thru interrupts as long as u have 2 bodies. Even snake eyes can use it to branded fusion dump a floodgate for Flamberge to scale and summon 😂 But then they screwed themselves over putting it in the selection pack lol. So many frustration generating cards they dont want to hit. Spright Elf situation part 2 i guess
We're just going to replace those Drolls with D.D. Crows. It hits every single deck impactfully in this format the same. Promethean Princess Linkuriboh Oak Target Poplar Target Flamberge Target Branded Retribution Branded Fusion Bystial Lubellion Branded Lubellion Mathmech Sigma Link Decoder Splash Target Transcode Target Diameter Superfactorial Target Big Welcome Furniture Lady Lab Target Soulpiercer Scarecrow Target Accel Synchro Stardust Dragon Target Motorbike Meek Arrivals Tearlaments Snow (sort of)
@Leonardo.ohime.i the problem are the generic synchros you go into. If wakaushi Locke you into shs it would be a nice little old Rouge strategy, but it doesn't so you can go into any synchro amd even a bunch of links and ofc people choose to go into negates. Fucking ban borreload savage, Baronne and appallousa im so sick of every deck ending on a board of the same generic monsters
@@thebigandlazyguy246It's funny because Wakaushi does have a lock, but the SHS support is so pushed that you can just pretend it doesn't have a monster effect.
I hate when MD hits generic consistency tools, since 9/10 times this hurts rogue decks WAY more than it hurts whatever singular deck they're targeting. Rogue decks are rogue because they lack either consistency, power, or both. So taking consistency from them only makes the meta less diverse than it already is, which is a terrible choice imo. If they want to weaken mathmech then weaken it's internal consistency tools, not the generic ones they use.
I do my best to play close to 40, and still brick like a Monarch player because this engine is like a dozen 1 ofs now. The worst part is that I only have 6 hand traps, so Snake Eyes cooks me anyways unless I see Super Poly.
Adventure Prank Kids is a powerful and consistent deck, it definitely was the best deck when the adventure engine was released. Not sure if it's good enough against Snake Eyes but we will see.
When their whole interraction of interruption are just omni negate & a quick effect board wipe boss monster. Againts Snake eyes that have tons of recycle & floating effect that you cant even kill them on the same turn
Yeah Master Duel has an unspoken policy where they are not allowed to hit cards that are in the new stuff Selection Pack. We all know that they wait until the cards leave the shop before they start hitting them, and MDM is showing that Snake-Eye is currently close to becoming a Tier 0 Deck
I was already only playing 2 wagon in SHS, just swap the third piercer for the third wagon and I have the exact same number of starters. literally zero impact
They obviously prefer not to kill decks and instead they prefer to make them inconsistent they have shown this multiple times, also saying they don't hit UR while talking about branded that lost 2 branded fusion already and enchantress who also got hit before, and the list a couple months ago had a good amount of UR cards. The lists they make might not be good but I dont think it's because they dont want to hit UR's I think they just aren't good at making lists, look at tear they made kitkallos a sr and everyone thought it was because they were going to ban it but they never did they just like beating around the problem until the deck is so inconsistent or vulnerable that it's unplayable.
The meow-mu is being downplayed a bit Like yea PrK likely wont be winning tourneys but you not having to choose between more disruption and being able to play the game after turn 1 is massive for the deck
My biggest complaint about the bullshit consistency hits and the preference for hitting Ns and Rs is that every deck is just getting nickled and dimed to death and opening MD's deck editor is just a sea of 1s and 2s. It makes it needlessly hard to keep track of what is legal or not and at how many copies.
@@Ragnarok540 cause they have shown they were willing to hit things before release even to they were unhit on paper. fusion destiny, water enchantress, the tear cards, fenrir, hell with SHS they hit ONE of the FTK enablers before they released the selection pack.
They'll keep nerfing decks through hitting non UR cards so you end up with a bunch of unplayable URs which you can't get a full refund for, and are therefore pushed into spending gems to get a new playable deck. Konami predatory practices
I wish Wakaushi's pend eff locked you into SHS... Because if you play the deck how it was meant to be played(yeah I know the combo, and who wouldn't if you had access to it?) than Wakaushi really helps to a) make up for lack of S/t's,b) get the "soul " cards to hand and c) help get out their synchros(am I the only one that has used its monster eff?)
The bans only exist to get more money. Fuck over everything around the current best deck, so people have to play that deck to win, and thus spend more money. Then repeat this with the next OP archetype. They did the same with Tearlament, Purrely and Kashtira.
My will to play has been slipping more and more each month this year. My favorite deck Purrely has been nerfed to near useless(the new support won’t help), weaker high tier decks are further nerfed to promote stronger ones even more and being forced to run a dozen hand traps just to compete wrecks consistently more then Konami banning around the problem cards.
On one hand, yeah, leaving the strongest deck in the format untouched while hitting the weaker older top decks is scummy. On the other hand, I'd rather have no hit than "fake hit" like KOTS to 1. We know they aren't going to hit snake-eye directly this early. It's cards like jet synchron or one for one that's going to take the bullet.
I'm in the same boat but they gutted my Dragon Link deck. Why did they nerf Kash, Dlink and Purrely if they were going to release SHS and Snake Eyes soon after?
Basically the people making the master duel banlist are as clueless as the people who make the ocg banlist and as greedy as those who make the tcg banlist
This is why you won't see maxx c banned, coz MD already has a problem banning oppressive cards. The fact D barrier was banned for the invitational but NOT here shows that. You trust MD to have a ranked experience without maxx c & still be able to play going 2nd? Not happening.
If you want to be able to play going second, play an actual going second deck. Maxx "C" does nothing if you can just clear or steal an opponent's board and attack for game. That's what actually makes the card cancerous though, those "ignorant" decks can just open more board breakers or OTK tools if you try to play a deck that needs to summon a lot to set up even a "min board", and just die whether you commit or not. And half the time those aren't even FTK or "coin flip" decks that get ruined by the thing either.
@@metalmariomega This isn't TCG/OCG, master duel is a bo1 and that means you MUST build a strong main deck suitable for going 1st or 2nd. Otherwise you'll lose. If you open a current MD META hand on a reasonable deck, if maxx doesn't exist, YOU WILL LOSE ANYWAYS. You'll spend 5 of your 6 cards trying to out the board & you'll run a 1 card combo deck so you can play after clearing. Without Maxx c, it perpetuates the need to run 1 card combo decks so you have more staples/disruption cards in your main deck.
I don't think it's supposed to matter. Snake Eyes is way too new to be hit, and there's no point to hit Lab/Math/Branded when those are its closes competitor and they're pretty much tier two.
if you think about it md does not like killing decks for example look at the state of kash in md and compare it to other formats same with math tear and spright we still have elf that's why they do small hits they want to make sure to not outright butcher the deck that's what i think at least lol not all the hits make sense ofc
Normally you only get 10, but if a card gets on the banlist in any way you get a full 30 point refund if you dismantle it up to however many playable copies got reduced. For example, say Mathmech Circular (UR) gets limited, going from 3 to 1. Since you lost 2 copies, the next 2 Circulars you dismantle will give you 30 points (for a limited time, usually only up to a month after the banlist releases).
Its a boring banlist but I love how all tcg pro players and yugi youtubers just refuse to comprehend consistency hits. Banning cards should be very very VERY rarely done. If at all.
I agree, but the way MD does it is still an issue. Consistency hits are fine up to the point it becomes death by a thousand paper cuts. Banning key cards would kill the decks, which should be avoided. However, it seems like MD is ok with killing the decks many times anyway by a thousand consistently hits.
id argue not being able to play your deck at all because key cards are banned is vastly worse. Theres a lot of decks id love to he able to just play but the TCG banlist is trash and just bans everything @@bend4456
I like consistency hits a bit just because i dont want them killing decks outright. F2P people only get to build a few decks, and completely removing one from the game is a great way to lose a player base.
I will never be a fan of hits like the TCG do, that simply kill a deck and make it unplayable. So you are forced to play their next new deck with no hope of keeping older decks relevant. Kashtira is the prime example: People cried about Ariseheart and it got banned, the deck became irrelevant overnight. Limiting Fenrir, Birth and the field spell did a much better job at making the deck not as OP but still relevant in all MD seasons since it was released.
Actually, Kashtira has become pretty relevant recently as it's probably the best Shifter deck (and Shifter hard counters Snake-Eyes). Edit: The playstyle without Arise-Heart is known as Birth Control and the grindier a game becomes the more it is favoured as Unicorn dismantles the Extra deck, Birth clears the graveyard, and Fenrir is spot removal.
out of all those hits parallel exceed is the most impactful one just because it makes small world worse in many hands especially if u open something like droll (honestly i think droll is very overrated anyway cuz it doesn't do anything to branded or snake eyes) and exceed is one of the best bridges in the deck because it's level 8 wind cyberse
Why do you find it fair for Branded to be hit? Especially as long as Snake-Eyes are dominating, the only unfair thing the deck does is some bullshit lock, and even that isn't necessarily an auto-win. (From Konami's perspective, the deck might actually be one of the money cows, since it's one of the most UR-heavy decks and decently popular.) The sad part is that, locks aside, Sanctifire Albion is one of the most based Branded endboard pieces: it plays a huge role in allowing you to play the deck the way it was supposed to be played all along, Albaz Control.
The way MD do the banlist, their like ban the card slowly and sometime their murder the deck like it did with tearlament and dragon link completely out from the meta. So i guess it is just matter of time their will used approach to kill the deck like it did tearlament and dragon link to kill branded and mathmech. Superheavy Samurai fyi even soul piercers at 1, shs still playable but create with obviously weakness, make SHS weak against dd crow and SHS player don want soul Piercers to be banish. What MD banlist team need to do now as soon as possible, for sake goodness of new yugioh MD player is to ban that dark strike fighter that responsible for FTK in MD, SHS deck. Your don want whaler and farmer that have complete deck, purpose de-rank when reach Platinum 1, and continue bullying with FTK deck, which way konami purpose make Platinum hard to de-rank to stop farmer and whaler but it seem like not effective. Konami need to do something on this whaler and farmer low rank, only implement de-rank when reach diamond tier only. We have a lot of events and mission every month, which granted almost 6000-7000 gems. No need to do scummy FTK to new player that unable to stop this whaler and farmer, ensure them to fight against the pro and tournement yugioh player in diamond and master rank.
I get more excited about the unhits, rheres still a ton of nonsese in the banlist. Is there even a problem with Branded? It wouldn't be the second best deck if the rest of the good decks weren't hit into oblivion.
Im not a competitive player but I think that banning cards should be the last option, especially master duel has time and the statistics to tweak the banlist taking into account how the cards did in the ocg and tcg. the UR barrier is true. Im not going to disagree with that shs is still in the shop
Terrible banlist, super looking forward to having to play against snake eyes for the next several months until they release a new pack and push that to the moon
I’m convinced that the team making Master Duel doesn’t actually know anything about the card game Also, I don’t see how it’s fair to hit any other decks when Snake-Eye exists
MD prefers consistency hits to everything, causing a bunch of frustrating non-games in a bo1, rather than removing anything unfair from the game directly. Also a banlist that doesn't hit the fire deck is completely pointless
Its only a matter of time. Let the players who bought gems for it have their fun for now. The banlist will come eventually. The same has happened for every top tier meta deck in this games history.
Yeah but ranked will be unplayable for a while now, the play style of the deck is so annoying and like 80% of the people I play against in master tier use this shit...
@pucciosa99 Of course it's gonna be popular. People want to win, so they gravitate towards the deck that has the best win rate. It's like if you have an old blunderbuss, you can't blame people for moving on to assault rifles even though you like your blunderbuss a lot
I feel like the MD banlist dont want to regret banning cards that they're going to release again after a few months like the Branded in OCG, which was heavy nerfed and they released it again in the fire format. But its fair to nerf branded since that deck have been around for so long
What is fair about nerfing decks just because they've been around for a long time? Branded isn't stronger now than it was two months ago, and has only become more relevant recently because it can at least somewhat keep up with Snake-Eye's grindgame; i. e. it's a rock-paper-scissors situation caused by the release of an even stronger new deck.
@@xCorvus7x there are too many decks that have been nerfed in order to make people play different things. For example, Flowandereeze is one deck that have been nerfed for long because its cheap and people like them so much, so anyone was able to play floo anytime. Dragónlink is another example, they have been around for a while and they "killed" them. Talking about only 3 decks isnt too Fair for other decks in general, so if you feel like Branded should stay in the meta just to beat snake eyes Bécause of their grind, makes no sensei against too many other decks with almost 0 grind.
@@Rain12093 Isn't Floowandereeze actually one of the lesser liked decks? It's also not that strong in general and hard loses to Droll, the hits it took were unnecessary. Hitting decks to make people buy into new ones is one thing but the new one in this case presented a huge leap in powercreep. On this background, it wasn't necessary to hit Dragon Link as hard as they did as the meta was about to move towards Fire. In spite of the greedy UR distribution within Snake-Eyes and the associated cards, people will play that deck. Branded on Master Duel is even more heavy with URs, so from a marketing perspective it's not all that sensible to hit it. When I said it was a rock-paper-scissors situation, I didn't mean that there were only three viable decks each of which winning against one of the other two and losing against the respective other. I rather meant that Branded didn't become more relevant because the deck got any better but because it is one of the least bad decks to go up against Snake-Eyes. Branded's other matchups and general weaknesses didn't change, only the dominance of Snake-Eyes has created a meta where Branded is in a slightly more favourable position relative to other decks.
@@xCorvus7x nah, i feel like there are 2 POV about Branded. In competitive where snake eyes is full power seems like not a "too powerful deck" but against lowet tiers decks is a "very solid deck". In the other hand, theres the casual/non competitive POV, where Branded IS loved or Hated by the players since they have been playing against them for so long, which can be annoying. To me, i rather to play against the previous Dragonlink instead of playing against branded, or Mathmech or even Manadium, mainly because if you're able to break their board you win, but against branded, if you break their board you get a free board wipe bécause of the mirrorjade, of they recover almost all their resources and they beat you the Next turn. So, my point is that i agree with you that Branded Will fall of the competitive escene a bit once that rescue Ace/fire King becomes more popular, but its a annoying deck to play against if you're not running Snake Eyes
Not exactly. Slight consistency hits mean that the deck actually does the same thing, just slightly less of the time. When they open the right cards (and they will), the deck will functionally be the same as the unhit version of the deck. Same endboards, combos, and everything. As Josh has said, it just makes games slightly more sackier without actually addressing the problem cards.
It is always stupid to say that any change in the banlist doesn't matter when you don't specify the context. It might not matter to the meta, TO THE META. But yes. If you want to hit SHS without killing them, well, you just have to semi-limit every consistency card of the deck.
Free master peace you cowards. Real shxt tho i like MD banlist because they still let the decks be playable just more stoppable. Sacky for sure but this game is luck based for the most part anyway. TCG banlist just looks like they Thanos any deck that gets too good.
Simply ban every common card.
Finally, those Megalith bastards will pay
SR/UR event when?
with no common cards in the game this ban wouldn't do anything :p
The Elon musk event@@KakoriGames
@@KakoriGames thats basically full power vanquish soul
Parallel Exceed is the most impactful hit
That’s quite funny.
Dude do you know what Parallel Exceed does?
I don't know how Mathmech players can recover from this
Ironically true compared to everything else on this banlist
@@jesse8160 Yeah man, now I can't summon another Exceed if I use it as a bridge for Small World.
So many times I've lost to SHS because they had the 3rd copy of Soulpiercer in their deck. Never losing to this deck again after this list!!!!
TCG strategy: Ban the big problem card in the deck to make it less oppressive
Master Duel strategy: Ban every card around the problem card to make the deck so inconsistent that they'll just stop wanting to play it
Master Duel strategy: Don't ban any UR cards because god forbid money grubbing Konami allows players to recover some of their UR economy back.
TCG tries to do the same. They only ban the problem card when the problem doesn't go away. Look at Halq. They banned all kinds of things before Halq.
@@DG_Raizen yep, then they never unban the other cards that where never the problem
power ceiling bans vs consistency bans
tcg kash > ocg kash even with no ariseheart because tcg kash can actually consistently summon fenrir
MD applies only if the problem card in question is an ultra rare
I like having Meow Meow back. One of my favorite shut off your brain and click buttons decks.
Yeah, more copies of Meow Meow basically means "Hey, if my turn 1 board gets wiped and I live, I actually have plays on turn 3 instead of just laying down to die", which imo is pretty significant
I wish they unbanned it in the TCG just to throw adamancipator a bone. I love that deck and it's been trash since the Block Dragon ban.
That's me with my Dice Jar deck
"Roll Dice, see what happens"
You burn yourself for 6000 amd lose
"Oops, oh well, let's go again"
I'm very happy about one aspect of MD's banlists. When a change in no longer relevant, usually it gets rolled back. I LOVE prank kids, but one meow mu really ruined its ability to do anything, seeing it come off the banlists so I can at least play pranks is just a great thing imo.
tell that to floowandereeze players lol
@@freaki0734 I am one lol. I rebuilt floo for the tcg event because everything was at 3 lmao, I love that deck.
@@fuzzythoughts8020 I am also one but i refuse to play that deck with the bs hits
@@freaki0734 empen to 1 was atrocious
Soulpiercer to 2 is just insulting I would've rathered they just left it at 3
Probably we have too wait de DC Cup of snake eyes too pray for a good ban list 😂
One for One, Amblowhale, and Jet Synchron sweating rn.
Imagine they ban One for One like they did Instant Fusion as a way to address Tear
They better be praying, or else Konami will semi limit them 😤
Semi limit one for one would be hilarious honestly.@@gingersnap3507
@@gingersnap3507 one for one is already at one
Can’t believe mirror force keeps dodging
They might save all the ban worthy cards for christmas again
#circularstillat3 😂
#circularstillat3 😂
just you wait for the snake eyes hits and then they do stuff like popla to 2 and limit original sin
Ash to 1 is my guess once the selection pack leaves the shop. It’s not an ultra like pop or OSS and bonfire will help the deck play with only 1 ash.
All the recent banlists were completly trash. There were some long overdue unlimits of cards, other than that nothing but randomly banning anything but the real problem cards, which mostly are URs.
It was pretty significant for prankids tho
Traptrix catching strays… looks like it’s time to build snake eyes and go to the dark side I guess 😞
play shade brigandine instead of parallel, it's way better
Exceed is a one card rank 4, how is shade brigandine better?@@NinthSettler
@@milesandrews6711 it can brick and now that it’s at 2 it’s an even worse brick, shade is better for triggering sera manually and can be an interruption on your opponent’s turn, it also helps to make Redoer more consistently and you can even run shifter in the Deck with it
@@milesandrews6711 it's a one card rank 4/link 3 that also sets a trap from deck and is a trap to discard for holeutea or to summon vesiculo and can be used to trigger Sera so that holeutea can be left to trigger nepenthes if your on the nepenthes combo. So it other words it's better and less bricky and slightly better going second option. Parallel xceed is a noob trap much like the double or nothing combo and always has been.
@@rafflesiaandfriends okay firstly, it doesn't set a trap from deck, it just triggers Sera to summon a monster which you already use holetea for in your mainline combo
The deck has enough traps to pitch for holetea, it doesn't need one that immediately becomes dead for its main purpose when a single trap hits the graveyard
The card is also extremely bad to top deck, much worse than exceed because you will almost always have a trap card in your gy on your second turn
Exceed is also an extra extender that can be used alongside your full combo unlike shade brigandine because it doesn't need to trigger sera to summon a second body and thus can be used alongside the holetea line, it's actually one of the easiest ways the deck can end on double rafflesia
The Md list is so weird. Like ib is still banned, yata and orange light are limited, and necroface at 2, but drident is gone everywhere else, the tear cards are all over the place and idk what’s going on with burial of goods. Idk banlists confuse me
But when the hit DLINK They don’t miss🤦🏾♂️
They didn't miss, they put a stake through its heart and removed the head, they were making sure the deck stayed buried, the banning of the White Dragon was as clear as message can be.
You mentioned banning Soulpiercer and Superfactorial as ways of trying to hit Superheavy and Mathmech without touching URs. I'm wondering, does Branded have an equivalent like that?
Gimmick Puppet Nightmare is a common card, but if that gets banned then they just pivot to a slightly worse floodgate monster, right? Is there a way to deal with that without just banning Sanctifire? (Which imo, as a Branded player, would be the correct way to get rid of the problem but it's a UR)
What about an erratum? They could have Sanctifire Albion negate the effects of the monster summoned to your opponent's side of the board.
Granted, you can still lock your opponent with Jowgen summoned to your own field but that one at least is outed -by Infinite Impermanence or- by battle.
Edit: And Sanctifire had to give them one of your monsters that is at least good for _some_ thing as a body.
The fact is puppet lock strategy is a plat/diamond strategy, I'm master 4 and I never saw it used against me in high ranks, also it isn't even present in recent branded meta decks because it's just bad. (I'm a branded player myself)
Kekw goodbye aluber.
Hard agree, even verte should be on the chopping block. Circumvents ash, unbricks hands, makes mirrorjade thru interrupts as long as u have 2 bodies. Even snake eyes can use it to branded fusion dump a floodgate for Flamberge to scale and summon 😂
But then they screwed themselves over putting it in the selection pack lol. So many frustration generating cards they dont want to hit. Spright Elf situation part 2 i guess
@@pucciosa99 i'm climbing master with puppet lock
I want soul piercer banned. I just need ppl to stop playing shs so I dont have to consider running droll.
We're just going to replace those Drolls with D.D. Crows. It hits every single deck impactfully in this format the same.
Promethean Princess
Linkuriboh
Oak Target
Poplar Target
Flamberge Target
Branded Retribution
Branded Fusion
Bystial Lubellion
Branded Lubellion
Mathmech Sigma
Link Decoder
Splash Target
Transcode Target
Diameter
Superfactorial Target
Big Welcome
Furniture
Lady Lab Target
Soulpiercer
Scarecrow Target
Accel Synchro Stardust Dragon Target
Motorbike
Meek
Arrivals
Tearlaments
Snow (sort of)
the problem is clearly wakaushi , it's crazy how many people have been fooled by konami
@Leonardo.ohime.i the problem are the generic synchros you go into. If wakaushi Locke you into shs it would be a nice little old Rouge strategy, but it doesn't so you can go into any synchro amd even a bunch of links and ofc people choose to go into negates. Fucking ban borreload savage, Baronne and appallousa im so sick of every deck ending on a board of the same generic monsters
@@thebigandlazyguy246i agree 100%, they are so easy to summon and they have super strong effects on top of that
@@thebigandlazyguy246It's funny because Wakaushi does have a lock, but the SHS support is so pushed that you can just pretend it doesn't have a monster effect.
I rather have multiple OP decks opposed to a "balanced" undiversified format
I played parallel exceed in almost every competent deck i had (not many since I'm f2p) my favorite extender ;-;
I hate when MD hits generic consistency tools, since 9/10 times this hurts rogue decks WAY more than it hurts whatever singular deck they're targeting. Rogue decks are rogue because they lack either consistency, power, or both. So taking consistency from them only makes the meta less diverse than it already is, which is a terrible choice imo. If they want to weaken mathmech then weaken it's internal consistency tools, not the generic ones they use.
This is very true, rogue/casual decks like Fluffal, Lunalight, and even U.A. lost a lot of power after Foolish Burial goods got limited.
Master Duel can't keep making every single card in a new deck a UR and also not want to hit URs on the banlist
Slowly giving branded 0 starters aside from springans kitt
I do my best to play close to 40, and still brick like a Monarch player because this engine is like a dozen 1 ofs now. The worst part is that I only have 6 hand traps, so Snake Eyes cooks me anyways unless I see Super Poly.
Its true, they always have exceed and circular/cynet in hand. I thought I was the only one noticing it
I just keep hope alive that one day I’ll get full power branded with 3 BFs, BOs and unlimited bystials
I’m happy for prank kids because I love the deck. And you gotta admit, they make a good budget/beginner option for players old and new.
Adventure Prank Kids is a powerful and consistent deck, it definitely was the best deck when the adventure engine was released. Not sure if it's good enough against Snake Eyes but we will see.
When their whole interraction of interruption are just omni negate & a quick effect board wipe boss monster.
Againts Snake eyes that have tons of recycle & floating effect that you cant even kill them on the same turn
Yeah Master Duel has an unspoken policy where they are not allowed to hit cards that are in the new stuff Selection Pack. We all know that they wait until the cards leave the shop before they start hitting them, and MDM is showing that Snake-Eye is currently close to becoming a Tier 0 Deck
I was already only playing 2 wagon in SHS, just swap the third piercer for the third wagon and I have the exact same number of starters. literally zero impact
They obviously prefer not to kill decks and instead they prefer to make them inconsistent they have shown this multiple times, also saying they don't hit UR while talking about branded that lost 2 branded fusion already and enchantress who also got hit before, and the list a couple months ago had a good amount of UR cards. The lists they make might not be good but I dont think it's because they dont want to hit UR's I think they just aren't good at making lists, look at tear they made kitkallos a sr and everyone thought it was because they were going to ban it but they never did they just like beating around the problem until the deck is so inconsistent or vulnerable that it's unplayable.
The meow-mu is being downplayed a bit
Like yea PrK likely wont be winning tourneys but you not having to choose between more disruption and being able to play the game after turn 1 is massive for the deck
My biggest complaint about the bullshit consistency hits and the preference for hitting Ns and Rs is that every deck is just getting nickled and dimed to death and opening MD's deck editor is just a sea of 1s and 2s. It makes it needlessly hard to keep track of what is legal or not and at how many copies.
I'm hoping someone tries out 2 Enchantress, 3 Tidal, tbh
already have my 3 tidals ready for when the banlist goes live
I understand the argument that the cards are new, but werent 2 bystials limited on release? Why was it possible with them but not now?
Money. Also these cards are completely unlimited in the paper formats, why would they limit them preemptively?
@@Ragnarok540 cause they have shown they were willing to hit things before release even to they were unhit on paper.
fusion destiny, water enchantress, the tear cards, fenrir, hell with SHS they hit ONE of the FTK enablers before they released the selection pack.
The bystials that got hit on release were SRs while the UR bystial was untouched.
@@sammydray5919magna is a UR lol
They'll keep nerfing decks through hitting non UR cards so you end up with a bunch of unplayable URs which you can't get a full refund for, and are therefore pushed into spending gems to get a new playable deck.
Konami predatory practices
I wish Wakaushi's pend eff locked you into SHS... Because if you play the deck how it was meant to be played(yeah I know the combo, and who wouldn't if you had access to it?) than Wakaushi really helps to a) make up for lack of S/t's,b) get the "soul " cards to hand and c) help get out their synchros(am I the only one that has used its monster eff?)
Pure pranks is back yay
The bans only exist to get more money. Fuck over everything around the current best deck, so people have to play that deck to win, and thus spend more money. Then repeat this with the next OP archetype. They did the same with Tearlament, Purrely and Kashtira.
sometimes I think konami does these master duel banlists just so they can say they do monthly banlists in master duel, and this is one of those times
Parallel exceed hit, so they either use it as bridge by small world or as rank 4 xyz NOT both
They need to free runick and ban the floodgates.
Anyone else just watching skrelp in the chat gaslighting the whole time about lampsies?
My will to play has been slipping more and more each month this year. My favorite deck Purrely has been nerfed to near useless(the new support won’t help), weaker high tier decks are further nerfed to promote stronger ones even more and being forced to run a dozen hand traps just to compete wrecks consistently more then Konami banning around the problem cards.
On one hand, yeah, leaving the strongest deck in the format untouched while hitting the weaker older top decks is scummy.
On the other hand, I'd rather have no hit than "fake hit" like KOTS to 1. We know they aren't going to hit snake-eye directly this early. It's cards like jet synchron or one for one that's going to take the bullet.
@@namelessanonymous2913Theres plenty of cards they can hit still beyond the shop items. For snake eyes one for one, jet synchron or swarmship even.
I'm in the same boat but they gutted my Dragon Link deck. Why did they nerf Kash, Dlink and Purrely if they were going to release SHS and Snake Eyes soon after?
@@lhdakzymd9036 Sneaky set rotation.
@@lhdakzymd9036coz they want you to whale for the new hot meta. That’s what.
shs and snake eye are still on the shop...they don't hit decks while they're still on the shop why ppl don't want to understand that
Yeah they don’t wanna upset people who spent a bunch of gems
It’s wack that Konami is too scared to ban URs
Basically the people making the master duel banlist are as clueless as the people who make the ocg banlist and as greedy as those who make the tcg banlist
This is why you won't see maxx c banned, coz MD already has a problem banning oppressive cards. The fact D barrier was banned for the invitational but NOT here shows that. You trust MD to have a ranked experience without maxx c & still be able to play going 2nd? Not happening.
If you want to be able to play going second, play an actual going second deck. Maxx "C" does nothing if you can just clear or steal an opponent's board and attack for game. That's what actually makes the card cancerous though, those "ignorant" decks can just open more board breakers or OTK tools if you try to play a deck that needs to summon a lot to set up even a "min board", and just die whether you commit or not. And half the time those aren't even FTK or "coin flip" decks that get ruined by the thing either.
@@metalmariomega This isn't TCG/OCG, master duel is a bo1 and that means you MUST build a strong main deck suitable for going 1st or 2nd. Otherwise you'll lose.
If you open a current MD META hand on a reasonable deck, if maxx doesn't exist, YOU WILL LOSE ANYWAYS. You'll spend 5 of your 6 cards trying to out the board & you'll run a 1 card combo deck so you can play after clearing. Without Maxx c, it perpetuates the need to run 1 card combo decks so you have more staples/disruption cards in your main deck.
Konami: limit crossbow to 2
Me: ah ha ha. But anywho!
Ban circular holy crap
I don't think it's supposed to matter. Snake Eyes is way too new to be hit, and there's no point to hit Lab/Math/Branded when those are its closes competitor and they're pretty much tier two.
They matter to me.
If you really wanna hit Branded, ban Maxx C
TCG player from America?
I disagree with king of the swamp harming Tear. I think here, you get a 3rd fusion again in exchange for brickiness.
Profit > Game Balance
OK Guys, see you when Nadir Servant goes to 1 so they can add less Quem instead of banning Braindead Fusion
if you think about it md does not like killing decks for example look at the state of kash in md and compare it to other formats same with math tear and spright we still have elf that's why they do small hits they want to make sure to not outright butcher the deck that's what i think at least lol not all the hits make sense ofc
Say that to my Purrely deck.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr It just less consistent lol, and that's a good thing because a consistent Purrely is miserable for everyone else.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr you just need the missing support and the deck will be fine
As a Prank-Kid player I only partially like the list.
Free Empen and Map
Do you get all your ur-points back when you dismantle the ur-cards? Or is it just the 10 ?
Normally you only get 10, but if a card gets on the banlist in any way you get a full 30 point refund if you dismantle it up to however many playable copies got reduced.
For example, say Mathmech Circular (UR) gets limited, going from 3 to 1. Since you lost 2 copies, the next 2 Circulars you dismantle will give you 30 points (for a limited time, usually only up to a month after the banlist releases).
But only when the banlist goes live
Since we are speaking of engines that are at full power in the tcg and are not a problem... Unban every branded card? No? Well, I tried
Its a boring banlist but I love how all tcg pro players and yugi youtubers just refuse to comprehend consistency hits.
Banning cards should be very very VERY rarely done. If at all.
Consistency hits make gameplay worse
I agree, but the way MD does it is still an issue. Consistency hits are fine up to the point it becomes death by a thousand paper cuts. Banning key cards would kill the decks, which should be avoided. However, it seems like MD is ok with killing the decks many times anyway by a thousand consistently hits.
id argue not being able to play your deck at all because key cards are banned is vastly worse. Theres a lot of decks id love to he able to just play but the TCG banlist is trash and just bans everything @@bend4456
I like consistency hits a bit just because i dont want them killing decks outright. F2P people only get to build a few decks, and completely removing one from the game is a great way to lose a player base.
Consistency hits can not coexist in a best of one format. It just makes really saccy gameplay that frustrates one player
Don’t like the exceed ban it mostly hurts budget decks more than the important decks they were trying to hit
Ash to 1 fixes snake-eyes. It’s not a broken deck, at least not any more broken than the current meta imo
I will never be a fan of hits like the TCG do, that simply kill a deck and make it unplayable. So you are forced to play their next new deck with no hope of keeping older decks relevant.
Kashtira is the prime example: People cried about Ariseheart and it got banned, the deck became irrelevant overnight. Limiting Fenrir, Birth and the field spell did a much better job at making the deck not as OP but still relevant in all MD seasons since it was released.
Actually, Kashtira has become pretty relevant recently as it's probably the best Shifter deck (and Shifter hard counters Snake-Eyes).
Edit: The playstyle without Arise-Heart is known as Birth Control and the grindier a game becomes the more it is favoured as Unicorn dismantles the Extra deck, Birth clears the graveyard, and Fenrir is spot removal.
Yeah but Ariseheart is still a badly designed card imo. Fuck floodgates and fuck floodgate boss monsters
Couldn't be more wrong 😂😂
out of all those hits parallel exceed is the most impactful one just because it makes small world worse in many hands especially if u open something like droll (honestly i think droll is very overrated anyway cuz it doesn't do anything to branded or snake eyes) and exceed is one of the best bridges in the deck because it's level 8 wind cyberse
Hear me out, Ban Fairy Tail Snow
Fr, I was surprised to see it’s untouched in MD after seeing it in my opponents diabellstar adventure tear list
Eh grass is at 1 and we have no ishizu millers snow is fine because of that
Why do you find it fair for Branded to be hit?
Especially as long as Snake-Eyes are dominating, the only unfair thing the deck does is some bullshit lock, and even that isn't necessarily an auto-win.
(From Konami's perspective, the deck might actually be one of the money cows, since it's one of the most UR-heavy decks and decently popular.)
The sad part is that, locks aside, Sanctifire Albion is one of the most based Branded endboard pieces: it plays a huge role in allowing you to play the deck the way it was supposed to be played all along, Albaz Control.
Master duel has a banliat every other month that's wack
Rather this than whatever the hell the tcg does with its “few months from now”, that can mean anywhere from 2 months to 7 months.
The way MD do the banlist, their like ban the card slowly and sometime their murder the deck like it did with tearlament and dragon link completely out from the meta. So i guess it is just matter of time their will used approach to kill the deck like it did tearlament and dragon link to kill branded and mathmech. Superheavy Samurai fyi even soul piercers at 1, shs still playable but create with obviously weakness, make SHS weak against dd crow and SHS player don want soul Piercers to be banish. What MD banlist team need to do now as soon as possible, for sake goodness of new yugioh MD player is to ban that dark strike fighter that responsible for FTK in MD, SHS deck. Your don want whaler and farmer that have complete deck, purpose de-rank when reach Platinum 1, and continue bullying with FTK deck, which way konami purpose make Platinum hard to de-rank to stop farmer and whaler but it seem like not effective. Konami need to do something on this whaler and farmer low rank, only implement de-rank when reach diamond tier only. We have a lot of events and mission every month, which granted almost 6000-7000 gems. No need to do scummy FTK to new player that unable to stop this whaler and farmer, ensure them to fight against the pro and tournement yugioh player in diamond and master rank.
I get more excited about the unhits, rheres still a ton of nonsese in the banlist.
Is there even a problem with Branded? It wouldn't be the second best deck if the rest of the good decks weren't hit into oblivion.
Im not a competitive player but I think that banning cards should be the last option, especially master duel has time and the statistics to tweak the banlist taking into account how the cards did in the ocg and tcg.
the UR barrier is true. Im not going to disagree with that
shs is still in the shop
eXceed to 3?????? For what bro
eXceed to 2 to stop it from being a small world bridge. there's absolutely no other reason to put it to 2...
like only thing relevant was exceed - and only bcs it is rogue option for traptrix and other archetypes, barely hitting mathmech
Idk Branded got so destroyed in the master duel banlist, Lab should finally get hit
Terrible banlist, super looking forward to having to play against snake eyes for the next several months until they release a new pack and push that to the moon
At this point just stop refunding people. It’s clearly getting in the way of balancing the game.
one of, if not the, worst banlist of all time
I’m convinced that the team making Master Duel doesn’t actually know anything about the card game
Also, I don’t see how it’s fair to hit any other decks when Snake-Eye exists
Can we get back merrli and silliek tear ain’t very good rn 😢
MD prefers consistency hits to everything, causing a bunch of frustrating non-games in a bo1, rather than removing anything unfair from the game directly. Also a banlist that doesn't hit the fire deck is completely pointless
Miaou mu back to TCG when?
I get that they dont wanna hit snake eyes yet but damn. Id rather have no banlist than this...
Its only a matter of time. Let the players who bought gems for it have their fun for now. The banlist will come eventually. The same has happened for every top tier meta deck in this games history.
Yeah but ranked will be unplayable for a while now, the play style of the deck is so annoying and like 80% of the people I play against in master tier use this shit...
@@pucciosa99 You could also just not play the game.
@pucciosa99 Of course it's gonna be popular. People want to win, so they gravitate towards the deck that has the best win rate. It's like if you have an old blunderbuss, you can't blame people for moving on to assault rifles even though you like your blunderbuss a lot
Ban beaver warrior
Bring back halqifibrax
Ban branded fusion, then they can have opening to 3 :)
Ban ash blossom and joyous spring
Why would the new-ness of the Snake Eyes stuff be a good reason not to balance it?
Money
Konami almost never Hit a card while their selection pack still in shop
@@ashikjaman1940 This isn't a *good* reason, this is a bad reason. Hostage logic.
@@FrozenFzt-yf1tr And that's a good reason not to balance a format? Or is that a bad, greedy reason?
@@LNRDi it doesn't matter what we think, that's the reason for Konami
trash banlist.
Just straight up ban branded fusion at this point lmao
Yes, pls.
Branded get hit for no freaking reason
Another hit to branded, guess I'll uninstall MD again
Trash banlist indeed, but I prefer this over waiting half a year to get a huge impact banlist.
free dragoon!
not doing shit in tcg
I prefer Verte, it helps a lot more decks.
I feel like the MD banlist dont want to regret banning cards that they're going to release again after a few months like the Branded in OCG, which was heavy nerfed and they released it again in the fire format. But its fair to nerf branded since that deck have been around for so long
What is fair about nerfing decks just because they've been around for a long time?
Branded isn't stronger now than it was two months ago, and has only become more relevant recently because it can at least somewhat keep up with Snake-Eye's grindgame; i. e. it's a rock-paper-scissors situation caused by the release of an even stronger new deck.
@@xCorvus7x there are too many decks that have been nerfed in order to make people play different things. For example, Flowandereeze is one deck that have been nerfed for long because its cheap and people like them so much, so anyone was able to play floo anytime.
Dragónlink is another example, they have been around for a while and they "killed" them.
Talking about only 3 decks isnt too Fair for other decks in general, so if you feel like Branded should stay in the meta just to beat snake eyes Bécause of their grind, makes no sensei against too many other decks with almost 0 grind.
@@Rain12093 Isn't Floowandereeze actually one of the lesser liked decks?
It's also not that strong in general and hard loses to Droll, the hits it took were unnecessary.
Hitting decks to make people buy into new ones is one thing but the new one in this case presented a huge leap in powercreep.
On this background, it wasn't necessary to hit Dragon Link as hard as they did as the meta was about to move towards Fire.
In spite of the greedy UR distribution within Snake-Eyes and the associated cards, people will play that deck.
Branded on Master Duel is even more heavy with URs, so from a marketing perspective it's not all that sensible to hit it.
When I said it was a rock-paper-scissors situation, I didn't mean that there were only three viable decks each of which winning against one of the other two and losing against the respective other.
I rather meant that Branded didn't become more relevant because the deck got any better but because it is one of the least bad decks to go up against Snake-Eyes. Branded's other matchups and general weaknesses didn't change, only the dominance of Snake-Eyes has created a meta where Branded is in a slightly more favourable position relative to other decks.
@@xCorvus7x nah, i feel like there are 2 POV about Branded. In competitive where snake eyes is full power seems like not a "too powerful deck" but against lowet tiers decks is a "very solid deck".
In the other hand, theres the casual/non competitive POV, where Branded IS loved or Hated by the players since they have been playing against them for so long, which can be annoying.
To me, i rather to play against the previous Dragonlink instead of playing against branded, or Mathmech or even Manadium, mainly because if you're able to break their board you win, but against branded, if you break their board you get a free board wipe bécause of the mirrorjade, of they recover almost all their resources and they beat you the Next turn.
So, my point is that i agree with you that Branded Will fall of the competitive escene a bit once that rescue Ace/fire King becomes more popular, but its a annoying deck to play against if you're not running Snake Eyes
The banlist is watering down Decks which imo is appreciated.
Not exactly. Slight consistency hits mean that the deck actually does the same thing, just slightly less of the time. When they open the right cards (and they will), the deck will functionally be the same as the unhit version of the deck. Same endboards, combos, and everything. As Josh has said, it just makes games slightly more sackier without actually addressing the problem cards.
Like if you don’t want to hit snake eyes directly, ban hiita and linkuriboh
It is always stupid to say that any change in the banlist doesn't matter when you don't specify the context.
It might not matter to the meta, TO THE META.
But yes. If you want to hit SHS without killing them, well, you just have to semi-limit every consistency card of the deck.
Ban albaz
Free master peace you cowards.
Real shxt tho i like MD banlist because they still let the decks be playable just more stoppable. Sacky for sure but this game is luck based for the most part anyway. TCG banlist just looks like they Thanos any deck that gets too good.