Medieval Falchions - Brutal test cut!
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- Falchions are a medieval sword type generally with broad blades. This makes them look heavy, but in fact they are not; they are fast, agile and devastating, but especially when they are SHARP.
I dress up a ballistic gel dummy with layers of armour; gambeson, mail and plate and then try to chop it up and see what happens.
I also shave my arm with a sword.
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I heard a description of a falchions as "The things armoured men use to chop up the un-armoured peasants" Seems appropriate in many ways.
A large part of medieval social structure in a nutshell!
Just think, if you needed THAT just to face unarmored peasants, imagine how tough the trained soldiers must have been. And now I can only get so far because softer folk hold me back.
@@RachDarastric2 in fairness, most peasant men worked out their arms and backs for a living. Probably want to make sure by the time they get ahold of you, they’re too injured to wrestle you down.
@@blakereid5785 Exactly! Now a days it takes effort to find a way to get enough exercise in a day to get arms like that. You have to take steps, like, simulate the experience of making fire to light a candle by rubbing sticks together before you earn the right to flip a lightswitch, and, carry loads of wood from the forest to your house.... then, from your house back to the forest since you can't do anything with it... to simulate carrying firewood before you earn the right to turn on the oven.
@@blakereid5785Well yes, of course.
On the other hand there’s the psychological impact of seeing your fellow get cleaved like those hunks of pork. Once the first burly peasant farmer falls to a blow like that, it will only be natural for the rest to hesitate if not just turn tail and run for their lives.
Armoured fighting is about, "Poking holes in the bits you can find to poke holes in." - Tod Todeschini. You're a legend and we love you.
The quote “strike where the enemy is weak” doesn’t just refer to armies. It works on a personal level just as much.
it's ironic that in many ways that quote still applies to fighting today especially with body armor.
@@-Zevin- It's timeless.
@@Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson It just goes to show that phrasing can completely change how a comment is perceived. "Stick 'em in the squishy bits."
or if you are British, the timeless phrase "They don't like it up 'em"
As far as bushcraft goes, George Monck's 17th-century military treatise recommends equipping pikers with tucks (estocs, thrust-only swords) instead of cutting swords, "for if you arm your men with Swords, half the Swords you have in your Army amongst your common men, will upon the first March you make be broken with cutting of Boughs." So, even if using swords to chop wood wasn't ideal & wasn't a great idea, soldiers apparently did it under certain circumstances.
Interesting that it talks about "equipping", ie, issuing them out from the army's supplies rather than what soldiers bring themselves. I'm sure those pikemen would take better care of their swords if they'd had to buy them out of their own pocket!
That is fascinating - thanks for that Benjamin and Quantum, the English Civil War armies were very organised, so it doesn't surprise me they were centrally issued, but a good point on care
"Grunt proofing" has always been hard to do. Your average soldier isn't always a rocket surgeon. They'll do dumb stuff and abuse the hell out of equipment, especially if you provide the equipment. In one of the most infamous examples, the Israeli Galil rifle has a bottle opener on the handguard, because guys were commonly using the magazine of their Uzis to open beer bottles and it did a lot of damage to the magazine lips.
I've seen a few times were people will dismiss certain actions being done, because it'd be really damaging to the equipment, things like sticking the tip in the dirt, or hitting stones to make sparks. But I think they underestimate how often people will abuse equipment. I remember another talk about there being a law in some German cities against hitting stones with your sword to make sparks, because it was a popular intimidation tactic. It was regarded as a threat of violence. It's also absolute torture on your blade. But it does look cool to gets sparks.
depends on army and martial culture of the time, 17th century features mass armys, partialy raised from peasents as they thought to increase their troops size at any cost while even 16th century armys were often at least at the core, paid specialist mercenarys that became so voluntarily, not seldomly even of low noble birth, and majority from towns, with strong martial traditions,
also 17th century armys were often underpaid and underequipped compared to late medieval or 16th century armys, often troops didnt even get swords in the 30years war and isntead armed themselfs with hatchets, wooden clubs and large knifes,
@@tods_workshop the english had constant problems with supplying arms to their troops during the civil war era, not only with closecombat weapons, i remember one account a british noble who was in charge of equipping the troops i think for an ireland campaign complained, "what are the soldiers even doing with their guns?! it as if they were eating them" bc he had to constantly try to get new muskets for the english troops as they would often break, it might be because many of these guns were imported from the european continent and not produced in britain they might have been of lower quality of preused, or just kinda expensive so they had few to spare, or that the british climate was not going well with them, also since the british isles at the time lacked a large scale production repairing broken guns was uncommon ?
"Plate, doesn't touch it. You'd be an idiot if you tried." Epic self-roast, Tod.
Somehow I missed that - but all in the name of education
@tods_workshop Well said sir.
"tried in anger" v "tried for SCIENCE!!!!" :).... although I figure the hitting plate in this case was more "Tried for completeness to shut up the idiots".
Mrs Tod “where is the joint of pork I put in the fridge?”
Tod “I’ve no idea my love,”
5 mins later, Mrs Tod “Why are there a 2 machetes in the sink and what is that on them?”
Door slams as Tod retreats at haste to “Tod’s workshop”.
Tod, unable to sleep; Mrs Tod "are you thinking about trebuchets again?"
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@@beepboop204 Tod: "If they launched a bunch of falchions in a trebuchet, would they remove the handle first so the enemy don't pick them up?"
long suffering
That is pretty much what happens
Hi Tod, salutations from Brazil! You mentioned "edge damage" in this video. I would love to see a video discussing how medieval people(specially soldiers mid-campaign) would deal with such damages and how much damage was to much for them to deal with. Love your content.
Ohyesplease!
Excellent question!
That would be a pretty short video, as really in the field you can just find a rock and keep grinding till the edge is acceptable, any dents too deep to grind out fully you live with.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 you would have a camp, I'm sure some camps had a small grindstone or something for blade maintainance.
@@ThaetusZain Yeah if you are part of a group large enough to have a logistics train that can support that sort of camp you would probably even have a bellows and small brazier/forge type thing as well... But at that point other than the smaller scale and longer time the work would take its not any different to when the weapon was built. But its also the sort of thing that only fairly sizeable group will have - not universally applicable.
Tod sacrificing precious arm hair, just to prove the edge was sharp. The true dedication we have come to expect
It grew back in half an hour.
I recently took delivery of my clip point falchion from your store. It's easily the most impressive sword I own now. In terms of handling you can tell straight away that it's a cutter, it's balance is much more to the tip than my other swords. It still has that mean point on it, however so thrusts are still more than doable.
Does it have any large identifiable “made in India” marks on it? I have been eyeing that very sword but don’t want such detractors like I had on my MRL/windlass Falchion..
@@wyorca The only identifying marker on it is the Tod Cutler stamp on the blade.
@@J1mston That's great to know! Thanks!
Thanks
I always figured the falchion was a sword carried by wealthier people who presumed they would be fighting those that couldn’t afford mail and wanted to maximize effectiveness cutting fabric armour.
Bought one of Tod's grossesmessers about a year ago, and I can personally attest to how brutally it can cut and how durable it is, having used it extensively as a machete on thick tree limbs
For whatever reason I have always been attracted to falchions, messers, and dussaks, all closely related swords. Thanks again for another great video!
You're a size-queen, a girth-gal
Prob cause ur awesome
They are just awesome, that's why. Also the aesthetic is very pleasing.
I like them too
Tod: "Work out how you can help us and get involved in these things"
Also Tod: Proceeds to chop up meat
sooooo dubble of the same
This corroborates the impression i've also gotten elsewhere, that the falchion is a weapon specialised for fighting unarmoured and lightly armoured foes. You'd put a peasant revolt down with it, but you'd leave it at home if you were facing armoured knights.
or when fighting goblin hoardes naturally. ;)
lord chopsalot's favourite peasant whacker
@@hraefn1821 Unironically why I have a dwarven character dual wield them.
@@torreyjones4421you’re not fooling me, i know its for peasants. Gormli Beerbeard is a real sicko.
I think exactly that
I don't know why, but ever since I learned about them, I've always loved the look and style of falchions
likewise
Hey Tod, fun little thing to point out about falchions depicted in source material.
Every blow depicted is at the head, both when armor is present and when it not. When on horse and when not.
Aww, man! So close to the classic line at the end there: "That'll do, pig, that'll do."
If Skallagrim has taught me anything, its that you're not suppose to cut towards your leading leg, or you might end up hitting it when you over-swing.
But damn, that difference between regular sharp and razor sharp on gambeson was huge.
Plenty of real cuts happen over the leads leg.
@@chrisfields8077 What's your point?
You can cut however you please, but basically imagine your target isn't there, and if the full swing ends up reaching any part of you, your stance needs to change. You should be able to cut in the 8 cardinal directions and swing the blade through in a perpetual figure-8 pattern and not hit yourself.
Hitting your own leg sounds as you have your own stance too wide and low and you're cutting too close.
@@kswindl that's it not correct to say - "you're not suppose to cut towards your lead leg" and I don't think that was Skall's intended message.
@@chrisfields8077 Skall didn't really say that in the context of fighting. But is test cutting, because you are going to put a lot of force and overswing, better to not cut towards your leading leg. Obviously in a real fight you never would overswing because then you would be exposed.
So the Bowie Sword of US Civil War just reinventing the Falchion.
What are you talking about?
Yeah, kinda, he took inspiration more from the machete like brush knives in the areas he was in & refined his designs to be better at the kinds of knife fighting he saw happening/took part in
@@shinobi-no-bueno look up "D Guard Bowie Knives" and you'll see that they are shortsword sized Bowie Knives that was popular in the South during the American Civil War.
@@shinobi-no-bueno Bowie Swords, not knifes, look a lot like old Falchions and served similar functions and used in same way as a Falchions. It's one of those strange weapons that really asks when does a dagger/knife stop being a dagger/knife and becomes a sword. They don't have a set design and parameters but they were all broad choppy weapons.
The Bowie knife is a copy of the Spanish dirk pattern, the Spanish fought the Moors who used Scimitars. 🤔
I feel like the comparison between the slightly duller and "razor-sharp" blades during the gambeson cut really dispels the myth that medieval blades weren't super sharp--that difference could change the whole course of a battle, definitely worth the effort.
falchions especially, people look at them and think they're thick and robust bladed like a machete, but medieval falchions were very thin and light blades. they couldn't bludgeon their way through anything.
Last statement had me thinking of babe the pig, "that'll do pig" you cut well.
I could honestly look at that wakefield hanger all day
The first sword I ever made was a dreadful 'copy' of that
Falchions and Messers are two of the most underrated swords. They are really brilliant tools for so many different things.
They are not underrated- they are just underrepresnted in pop culture...
Tod's local Butcher talking to a housewife - "Sorry Madam, I've just sold my last joints of pork. There's been a sudden run on them lately. I can't imagine why..." ;)
Todd, just a thought if you have a local butcher near you you should be able to purchase smaller pieces of skin on pork. A butcher will often purchase entire halves of pork and then butcher them into cuts.
Leaving the skin on would be very representative for the purpose of weapon damage and might even save you a couple of quid.....
Do a sword sharpening video Todd ... would be very helpful ! (thank you, great video)
I'm trying to get my mate to understand how light and maneuverable Medieval weaponry was/is, and this video will help a lot!,
Thanks for another great video Tod!
As an amateur low-fantasy writer, this channel is my greatest resource, and highly entertaining to boot. I've learned so much from your channel, and my WIP's have improved tenfold for it. Thank you for what you do, Tod, not just for medieval enthusiasts but for authors like myself
As much as I absolutely love Lord of the Rings, after seeing the experiments on this channel, I can't help but burst into laughter when I see arrows and spears going straight through plate armor like butter. Pretty sure Gondor makes their plate armor out of wax
Beside western popculture in general common also in manga and anime.
Well if you watch lord of the rings really close, they do slash, but never across open armor faces- any slashes or cuts are almost always directed at joints in the armor (especially necks). Of course, a properly armored orc is still not going to get any kind of damage from that, but its fun for me at least to suspend my disbelief by imagining that "oh, maybe orc chainmail is sooooo mass produced and shoddy that it is literally basically just rusty wire, at which point perhaps a PROPER (probably magical in some way) sword COULD just break it and get slices through, easily"
@@Salamandra40kI love Lord of the Rings. Love it. Don't get me wrong. It's a masterpiece.
But when I see a guy in full plate armor, up in a tower, get shot by an arrow from a crude Orcish recurve bow and the arrow pierces straight through the thickest part of the plate like it's butter... I'm laughing.
@@SplendidFellow I mean, arrows CAN do SOME damage to plate armor, if they hit right, especially places like visor slits. Ofc, no, they far more than likely arent doing any damage to a frontal shot on a chestplate, but still, I always chalk up anything fancy in lord of the rings to magic. Perhaps Sauron is using his dark magic to enhance the arrows of orcs, make them fly faster or more easily pierce armor of gondorians? Its a fantasy world, chalk it up to anything. BUT, I will say even sitting and watching clips of the extended editions I have right now, most of the shots I'm seeing here in return of the king are neck shots on arrows
Tod carving the Christmas ham. Must be exciting for all the guests.
once, on a trek, i was bored, waiting for the night to come, So i figure a nearby tree, a 10 years-old birch, and took my cabbage-cutter. I focused a while, and manage to cut it almost in half.
Farmers tools are strongs tools. Even today, where ou can buy another tool in the day.
farmers had pikes, machetes and falchions, falxes, billhooks... various "fun" stuff to play around with.
And all of theses tools ages well : the more they are used, the more they are sharpened, and the more they become aggressive, thinned where they cut, etc...
A man carrying a sword can be a moron with a wallhanger. A man with a billhook in an hand, an falchion in the other, this man is for sure a threat.
Good point, any soldier should be afraid of a farmer who knows how to swing a Scythe all day, sure he's probably not armoured and his moral "courage" training might be in question but one thing you can know for certain is his hands are full of calluses from swinging edged weapons all day. There are many stories in history of farmers turned warriors. I lean towards the thought that peasant armies or militia weren't so much beaten by technology or skill at arms but by numbers and strategy. In a straight up fight armoured knights VS farmers, there's a good chance the underdog comes out on top for many reasons.
@@chasecharland1160 Highly unlikely; untrained, likely malnourished rag wearing serfs with whatever they can find versus professional soldiers, well fed from birth and armed and armoured with their polearms and plate? People who were trained to fight and kill from the ages of 5-7 onwards, often daily.
In an evenly numbered fight and even ones where lowly people outnumbered their “betters” the peasants were crushed, as is shown by all of human history where this has happened, if they were more effective than men at arms, knights and lords, then they wouldn’t have fought in battles, they’d just hire peasants and nobody else because clearly the cabbage farmer is a more dangerous foe than a guy who has spent his adolescence and adult life fighting and killing people who have also spent their entire adolescent and adult life doing the same.
@@pestisthebestspaghettikeys6944 I agree with your assessment, it is the classic stereo type. I meant a few differences however, such as "numbers" being better used, professional soldiers using communication and drill, will obliterated the peasant rabble. But the one on one fight between men who weild their tools. Not all knights are well trained and not all farmhands are starving skeletons. There is a reason why many an uprising was fought with farming tools. The Japanese had the kama and sci, the European had war scyth, mallet and hooks. The Greeks used rabbit killers like sling or bow and everyone had an axe or shank and spear to spare. Armoured knights have lost to lesser troops in many historical occasion such as Agincourt, sterling, and more. The point was not to underestimate a desperate man who works the land with spade and hammer, day in and day out. Every noble and king tried their best to squash an uprising as quickly as possible, with as much violence as possible, because of real danger.
@@chasecharland1160 Now I agree with the rebellions/uprising part although then again I imagine it’d easily be thousands of enraged small folk with the support of the people, many of which including the non die hard loyalist guards/people who can sympathise with the cause, in terms of agincourt it was masses of arrows being volleyed at the enemy, superior terrain with good use of mobile fortifications/spikes to stop cavalry charges obliterating the archers mixed in with brilliant tactics and a stroke of luck by the English king, I say this as an Englishman, the French were absurdly unlucky and mainly lost by making a series of terrible mistakes one after the other, those poorer people who made up the bulk of Henry’s army were longbowmen who had a great deal of training to wield those bows and when they ran out they came crashing into the French from behind in a great wave (while they already becoming exhausted and were distracted by the English knights and men at arms) with daggers, teeth and nails.
One of the best reasons I’d say that rebellions from the farmer/labourer classes would’ve been halted immediately is that they can easily halt food production, and letting it brew into a full blown uprising would mean they’d have to be completely wiped out, which means no workforce at all, you want to tax us to oblivion? Starve in your castles, not to mention guerilla attacks and all other manners of warfare.
I agree that not all knights are well trained, I’d bet my left foot that there were a great deal who didn’t actually earn their ranks and were simply given them by friends/family though I’d bet my right one that they still were better equipped, fed and trained than peasants, put those men in the hands of someone who knows war and tactics and they’ll easily be lead to victory.
Moral here: If you're challenged to a duel in civillian dress and the other guy pulls out a falchion, apologize immediately and profusely.
How does that matter if you get hit with falchion or regular sword if you are jsut in civil dress? :D
@@krystofcisar469 Psychological horror. Plus the difference between dying to a stab versus having bits of you hacked off and deposited on the ground XD
oh yeah! Tod's got such good content!
Thanks
Did you know that the Conyers falchion is the original vorpal sword? Lewis Carrol wrote "Jabberwocky" after visiting Durham cathedral, seeing the sword, and hearing the story of the slaying of the Sockburn Worm. In it, he coined the word 'vorpal' in keeping with his penchant for creating nonsense words. Gary Gygax then used the name vorpal for a blade that severs heads (or "goes snicker-snack" in Carrol-speak), and thus we have the legendary Vorpal Blade.
Sharpness really counts and it took off the shoulder!
Can we get you guys a ballistic gel dummy and a HEMA expert to try out some medieval weapons on some with and without armor? Maybe even a doctor to go over the damage and explain what kind of wounds would've been fatal. I would love to see something like that, and with a variety of weapons from different periods of the middle ages with weapons used around the world.
I want more stuff like this.
He will probably get mat easton to do this again on day.
@@thor498 I've seen a bit of scholagladiatoria videos too. That would be great. I would also like to see someone like Dave Rawlings go at a ballistic gel dummy with a two-hander, maybe a comparison between how weapons of the later middle ages compare to earlier ones against armor from the later middle ages and earlier armor. I'm no expert, but I've seen that there's an evolution of arms and I would love to see how newer stuff compares to older stuff from within the period of time over the middle ages.
I'm also really interested in the Crusades. Perhaps some demonstrations seeing how arms and armor of the Seljuk Turks vs the same for the Crusaders to see how effective they were and how they were used.
The problem with ballistic gel is that it is designed for bullets as a comparable medium so whether you are in Bombay or Brighton the two sets of data are comparable. It is neither an analogue for flesh nor designed for use with swords or arrows for that matter so doubly off track. However it is the best that is reasonably available.
@@tods_workshop I've heard Ballistic Dummy Lab makes models to accurately represent blunt force trauma and stabbing wounds in addition to ballistic wounds. I've never used them, so I wouldn't know, but could be worth having for medieval arms. I"ve seen their TH-cam channel, and they look like good dummies to test blades on.
Another splendid video. Thank you.
I've been watching Tod's workshop for years and only just noticed - he's only a Scrapheap Challenge veteran! :O
I'd love to see him giving a behind the scenes talk on that - forgive me if he already has and I've missed it.
Way back in my vid trails I made a film about one of the episodes. Fanatstic job, spent two years working behind the cameras in engineering and then was an expert 5 times - amazing series to work on
@@tods_workshop Wow, never expected a reply from you. That's ace, thank you. I'm also happy to hear it was as fun as it looked.
Ok, I think I finally have got this: falchions are specialized shaving tools and kitchen swords.
The Thorpe falcion is much on the way of swordification, but the Cluny falchion retains some traits of earlier falchions. The Cluny blade basically identical to the 3rd century machaira excavated in the sanctuary of Demeter in Eraclea, and now housed at the Museo della Siritide. I've never seen this piece in person, but the Cluny I have. There's really zero design limitation that prevent even these thin sweet spot falchions to be used as tools. The mass distribution isn't ideal because of the overweight hilt, but otherwise the Cluny is extremely close in design to the Guapote (number 284) pattern machete. Of course, the machete isn't as finelly designed, with the stiffened spine and concave grind, but the blade is 1.2-1.4mm at the sweet spot. Cane machete (the super wide kind) often have only 1mm thick blades.
So it's really not a design issue, it's a material issue. While you can safely chop at seasoned oak with a 1mm thick machete (it will only give you tennis elbow), because it's modern eutectoid steel with consistant and finely tuned heat treat process, the Cluny falchion is extremely badly bent at the base of the blade were it's thickest, showing that it's not far from being in annealed condition or mild steel.
It's important to notice though that while the Cluny falchion has a completely regular sword hilt, the Siritide machaira has a flat tang in the shape of pre-modern Italian cleavers and billhooks. And in general, non-swordified falchions (especially all the hook hilted ones such as seen on the Morgan Bible, Villard de Honnecourt notes, Porta Romana frieze, etc) are basically a variation on billhooks and cleavers (which, in Italy, belong to the same familly of tools, are constructed the same, etc). Swordification reduced their usefullness as tools, moving the sweet spot back on the blade, but initially they were just as good as tools than as weapons, just like parangs in South East Asia.
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I was always wondering about them. Thanks for the demo!
That episode with the fire arrows was a blast!
Awesome fact findings there and I always am so glad that we have channels like yours to show us the truth!
I applaud your efforts here; great demonstration and good sense. Sadly in the face of internet 'expertise' I fear it will be wasted on many. Keep fighting the Good Fight.
Hammer time Todd.
Always interesting. Knowledge backed up by demonstration. Thank you
I love this dudes verbiage and commentary. Immediately subscribed
no matter how good it is in the name of science, ill never get used to perfectly good weapons going up against steel
Cool video, thank you sir! Amazing how well it cuts a gamberson after being sharpened.
I Love ALL Tod's Workshop videos!
Awesome video!
Cheers
Awesome video!
Yes so I was like "oh, (being from Germany) basically I have never known how to pronounce "falchion". Let's just take a quick look inside and find out. But you, Mr. Cutler, make content you just can't escape. Thank you, it's always a pleasure.
I have never forgotten the words to the song Black Sir Harry, which I learned in junior school in the 1960's: Black was his plume, black was his shield, Braver ne'er did falchion wield.
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Loved that, thanks Tod. I was just thinking towards the end, "chop a joint of meat" & you did just that!
Nice touch with the pork at the end. Thank you. :)
I didn't know about the cross sectional profile change in falchions before. Really interesting and totally makes sense in hindsight.
Also I recognised that gambison straight away. Loved your fire arrow videos.
The birds in the background are really nice.
You should have tested a cut at the gambeson alone after one cut to the maille, would have been interesting how much less it would have cut.
Yes I should! where were you when I needed you?
@@tods_workshop Maybe next time?
Yeah I’ve chopped off lots of heads limbs with the different Falchions. Just slices through enemies on their soft spots.
I use this historic info in Blade and Sorcery VR. It’s incredibly accurate and the tech is only getting better.
if you had to fight someone in mail, it might be a good idea to turn the falchion around and strike with the spine of the blade to avoid edge damage.
Nah you obstruct their view with your shield while you go for their legs once down you go for the kill.
"be an idiot if you tried"
But you did try...
Great video!
Hmmmm good point
I wonder how nervous the smiles his neighbours give him are. :)
looks like i'm buying a falchion good stuff thanks tod
you should invite matt easton for this. really wonder what would happen if a sword expert did this.
Bjorn Ruther suggested that it may have been done that falchions with simple ambidextrous grips could have allowed for alternating sharp and blunt edge strikes using the cutting edge against vulnerable targets and the blunt edge like a hammer against sturdier targets. He has a video on his channel where he talks about it.
Yess, falchions are my second favorite sword type
I know you focus mostly on medieval weapons, but could you take a look at more Bronze Age and Ancient weapons, like a khopesh and kopis and similar weapons and how they behave against flesh and armour? I'd love to know!
Thank you for the constant amazing and informative content, Tod! Keep it up!
Now this is the kind advertisement I don't mind watching.
regarding the comment about mail's purpose @8:52 "its not so good against piercing things like arrows and spears, but swords, axes that's what its made for".
Mail appears to work fine against piercing weapons as is attested to in both historical sources and in modern testing with accurately made mail. TH-camr Airnt's video "Lance versus Armour" showed that well made mail is capable of stopping a lance from a charging horse so it seems quite likely the same armour would be capable of resiting a one handed spear thrust or an arrow from the lower poundage bows found in most periods. As is often said on this channel, our ancestors were not stupid and piercing weapons (spears, arrows and javelins) made up the vast majority of the threats mail would need to stop. For many centuries mail was the preferred choice for developed European armies, even for high status individuals, despite the availability of other metal armour types such as breastplates, scale or segmented plate armour. So it does seem that our ancestors felt mail worked against piercing weapons.
"any tool that is badly designed won't get used"
Generally i get where you're coming from but the Sa-80 rifle literally exists and was forced into use despite being a stinky doodoo
Rifle design was always fine. It's issue was quality control as it was made in a factory that was being actively shut down and the workers didn't give a shit. That, and poor training on maintenance and use, gave it a terrible reputation that is kinda undeserved considering it's currently statistically the most reliable rifle in NATO.
The A2 version was basically the same design, but with improved quality control and properly speced parts.
Mass produced stuff is a bit different. This was a time where people bought their own equipment.
This new reiteration, I think it's the a3 or a4 I forget, is reworked by HK and seems like a really decent bullpup.
@@EuTrabalhoParaSagres510 HK hasn't really done anything design wise, just manufacturing. The main design changes for the A2 UFR and A3 was the addition of a Daniel Defence handguard system.
The core working parts is unchanged since A2, and the fundamentals of the action is unchanged since A1.
@@Ninjamanhammer that's fair, i just wanted to trash talk something British
Minutes from going public and already watching!
I would personally choose the clip point, probably a one even more aggressive than what Mr. Todeschini has. That way it would still be relevant against mail.
I gotta start saving, I desperately want one of your Falchions!
Dostal taper is what sets swords apart if it is done by a pro like tot it feels amazing to handle
That is a good sword for the explorer in a dense forest.
Today we have the machete.
In the Elmslie typology, there are (respectively):
Type 1
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Type 5c
plate aside, I'd strike the gambeson more with the tip, letting the sword cut along the body, not whack with it like its an axe or a broad sword. for the chain, I'd consider poking with the longer falchion, that tip might have a chance of some penetration. my 2 cents. ;-)
Awesome. Cool.
I recall reading a story once where man had been ambushed and just barely gotten his mail shirt on with no padding underneath, by the time it was all said and done his friends remarked on the "peculiar bruises". Wish I could remember what story it was...
Also I love the Clipped Point design on Falchions ;-)
I've always like falchions. I've also imagined them to be more defensive and utilitarian weapons; the wider blade makes for easier blocking and deflecting, while also being more resilient to abuse. Then again, the times I've actually held a sword can be counted on one hand.
I have heard that it was a practice when using a falchion to use the back of the blade against people in metal armor, that way you get the bludgeoning without damaging the blade.
"I've got a lovely bunch of falchions
There they are, all standing in a row
Big ones, small ones, some as big as your leg!
Give them a twist a flick of the wrist
That's what the swordsman said"
-I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts - Fred Heatherton, paraphrased
I have found that angling your wrist towards you as you cut will also help get through that cloth armor. The drawing/slicing action it creates is far more effective at such than a static chop.
Awesome video! One of the things I heard on another channel, Dequitem, is that against mail and plate they may have flipped it in their hand to strike with the spine of the blade since the impact is all it can do anyway. Then of course with the clip point you can also use it to thrust into the gaps. Gorgeous blades and interesting to see that evolution in design as armor changed as well.
Greay video Tod. Speaking on the topic of utilitarian swords I'm fascinated to which kind of swords would be for you the ideal ones to carry in the medieval period, perhaps looking at what someone might carry in a more urban compared to a more rural area or even profession etc. Of course we have sources in art and writing to get an idea but I do wonder how much fashion influenced people over practicality. Food for thought. All the best! Love the content matey.
A couple of other things that I’d be interested in: The “reasonably sharp” against clothing. (Linen tunic and wool cote. Maybe a wool hood too.) The “reasonably sharp” doing a pull or push cut against the gambeson.
I like that the plate is still being used. Something I'm very curious is about the wear and tear/rust of armor that is used for a long time without reforging. I feel people nowadays don't think about the fact that the armors were expensive and probably used for a long while so they probably weren't as durable or consistent on average as people think.
Blaize de Montluc wrote that men at arms circa 1520 used to carry curtilaces (coutelas) to cut arms of maille and to cleave (destrancher) morions (Blaize de Montluc was an archer in the Ordinance Companies, as well as serving as a man at arms for a short time during that period). Rarely does he exaggerate, and wrote that he never saw such cuts (before) in his life (ie, they were surprising to him).
Joachim Meyer likewise describes "hewing" with the blade of the "sabel" (depicted as the typical long knife/curtilace of the period) against an armored opponent, particularly at the hands (as well as thrusts, obviously). He says the sabel should be strong and good at cutting, but *explicitly* not too heavy.
That's interesting, but if those guys were "man at arms" understood as fully armored men with possibility of armored horses too, it's possible that their cutlasses were actually something that WAS heavy and stiff. And it's possible that horses movement added up to the impact.
Then there were some maille sleeves that were made out of some really fine wire, there's one in Kraków that honestly looks like it's wire has less than 0.5mm in diameter. Together with some rivets being very badly set (probably due to the fact that overlap was really tiny, it's probably more amazing that most of them were in fact set pretty well), almost completely on the edge of overlap, it's quite possible that such mail sleeves would be susceptible even to the cut.
It would surely be very light, flexible, breathable and so on, but at the cost of protection.
So perhaps with very powerful swings, and some very light (and possibly bad) mail and helmets, it was possible.
@@lscibor The word used was "gend'armes", so yes.
I agree, and the mention of "morions" (specifically) makes me think its in reference to seeing specifically those (infantry) helmets cut apart (and there are some rather thin and poorly constructed extants). I brought up Meyer's description because if curtilaces were always typically light, then there would be no reason for him to say that they should not be too heavy.
Thin wire though, I am unsure. Low quality maille makes sense to me though.
I wholeheartedly trust Montluc either way, as this is only example of anything in his entire memoir that could be considered eyebrow raising (that I have seen at least), and he speaks of it as if he witnessed it himself.
This takes me all the way back to my first time seeing James Burke slash into that meat on Connections.
Thanks for the fascinating video!
If you intend to do more tests, always wondered what striking with the back edge or clip point would do to mail
5:59 during the English civil war soldiers apparently used their swords so much for cutting firewood that they became too dull for combar, but they could use their muskets as clubs anyway
Who else wanted to see Tod jab the clip pointed falchion into the maile too?
Finally he gets the ballistic gel torso!!
I have a bunch of your stuff, all excellent. Been drooling over your falcion blades for a while now, but I'm skint. This doesn't help, you git!
"Can you cleave through plate armor?"
"Yes... if your sword is made of mithril and the plate armor is not."
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Always pork pies, never pork roast at Tod's kitchen...
excellent