This whole thing was super intense in the book. And also gave rise to one of the best quotes in the whole series at the very end. "When the day shall come, that we do part," he said softly, and turned to look at me, "if my last words are not 'I love you'--ye'll ken it was because I didna have time." (THE FIERY CROSS)
I recommend watching some of the behind-the-scenes stuff on this episode that explains the weird fantasy place that Claire's mind went to while she was a captive. (It's not in the book.) It's filled with Easter eggs, as another commentator pointed out. What stands out to me are the orange, (Remember King Louis gave her an orange that she made a point to take with her after he had his way with her? It represents her dignity.) the blue vase, (In the pilot episode, she said she'd never owned a vase because she'd never had a home. The fact that this fantasy house contained that vase means it's home.) and Jamie saying, "You're shaking so hard, you're making my teeth rattle." (He said that to her the night they met, which was one of the most frightening, confusing, disorienting days of her life. He was the first person to show her kindness, and he turned out to be the love of her life, so I think of that memory like Disney's Inside Out. It's a core memory.) There are plenty of other things, too. Murtagh's alive. Jocasta's not blind. Fergus has two hands. The house, itself, is on Fraser's Ridge. And then that bit with modern versions of Brown and Hodgepile as police officers showing up at her door to tell her Roger, Bree, and Jem were dead were her fears seeping in.
Ahh, this is literally one of my favorite scenes in the book. It gave me goosebumps reading it. She actually hears the war drums beating from Jamie and his men, and she knows the browns are all going to die.
This episode took several viewings for me to take in all the aspects: story line, cinematography, the Easter Eggs, the dialogue, the music, etc. Amazingly created, acted, shot, cu. It sure stays on one’s heart.
Claire had gone upstairs. She wasn't there to see Marsali take the water hemlock. The standing stones seem to have a property that who one's soul is reaching out for helps the travelers "steer", but it's something that they're having to learn by experience. The writers & directors worked hard to portray "dissociation" as a way one's mind can deal with trauma, hence the 1968+/- dream sequence. Claire has that time to reach back to in her personal history, and the mid-century modern home was one on the cover of a magazine in the doctor's lounge back in Boston. The orange is also a callback, to how she dealt with Louis XV, by taking the orange with her when she left. LOTS of callbacks /Easter eggs in the set and staging. Hard, dramatic stuff, but this was a hugely well done episode, IMO.
Re: Season 6 - I think the biggest disappointment that I saw online was the season was so short. It was only 8 episodes (?) I think...It was filmed at the beginning of the pandemic so the protocols were very challenging and getting the shots needed, as well as the fact that Caitriona Balfe (Claire) was pregnant. So, the 8th episode isn't exactly the greatest place to end the season. But Season 7 is extra long (16 episodes). I think they did a fantastic job working under very challenging circumstances. I'm excited to see your reactions!
jeanmiller2747 - I know many folks defend season 6 and many of not most of the book readers are animate about season 6 being somehow the best season???...??? I'm dumbfounded by that claim. I realize that all story criticism is subjective, but I think season 6 is...pretty darn awful. I've liked Outlander since the first episode because of Clare, our hero, and all the adventures in the story. Season 6 has... no adventure... and even the wonderful Clare... disappoints (profoundly) and the storyline is so depressing (it sucks). I'm really hoping for a turn around in Season 7!
I didn't think this was the best season...I can't remember from the books as I've only read them twice...all in a row, so they all blend together. For me, I'm willing to cut them some slack dealing with a lot of difficult challenges. I was just glad they were able to film safely and no one got Covid during their filming. I appreciate their hard work to entertain. Agree that this story is dark. I think if they had been able to complete the season and story arc, perhaps folks would have enjoyed it more.
Did you notice all of the Easter eggs in Claire's dream house? Claire's kidnapping actually happened in book 6, their attempt to go back last episode, did not happen in the books. I had no problem with season 6, which was based on book 6 (A Breath of Snow and Ashes). I think what you are talking about was one element of season 6 that people either hated or loved, depending on their point of view as it was not in the books. Season 6 was also shortened to 8 episodes because of the pandemic and Caitriona's pregnancy. so the first 4 episodes of season 7 were supposed to be season 6. The Season 7 premiere is June 16th, which will show the first 8 episodes of season 7, then the other 8 episodes of season 7 will come in 2024. Hope you are finished seeason 6 before season 7 starts.
***Spoilers*** I'm also disappointed that it looks like they may not have time now to do the part with Roger and Brianna in the future. Which to me is pretty important if there is practically a whole book around it but I don't know. I've heard that for the next 2 seasons they're pretty much going a bit off script like the walking dead did. I'm gonna be pretty disappointed when 2 more books come out and we're not going to get any more seasons.
@@MissTeeFy Good there's a little hope in me left for all of that. Maybe what they're gonna do is shorten it up quite a bit to a couple of few episodes so that we can learn about Claire and the blue light with what follows after. Have you read the last book?
@A Day in My Life yes I read Bees. There's speculation that they'll end the show with the ending of book 8, "hellooo the house," which wouldn't be too bad. I'd hoped to see on screen the explanation of Jamie's ghost. Maybe they'll do a movie down the road, but I doubt it.
@@MissTeeFy If they have to end Outlander, I am glad it will be at the end of season 8, which seems like an natural ending, but I too hope they explain Jamie's ghost. I also have read Bees, can't wait till Book 10 comes out to see what happens next.
Brianna and Roger MacKenzie begin to record everything they know - or at least suspect - about time travel in a journal, which they jokingly refer to as the "Hitchhiker's Guide" for time travelers. The journal includes exposition on ley lines and geomagnetism as part of a series of working hypotheses on how time travel works. Genetics The evidence to hand regarding time travel as an inherited ability is the correlation between parents and offspring, with regard to demonstrated ability to pass through known time portals: Claire Fraser and her child, Brianna, have the ability; Geillis Duncan and her descendants (William Buccleigh MacKenzie, Jeremiah Walter MacKenzie, and Roger MacKenzie) all have the ability; and the child of Brianna and Roger, Jeremiah MacKenzi have the ability. The Comte St. Germain, another traveler, also seems to be aware of the heritability of the time travel trait, as he actively seeks others with the "blue aura" - an observed but somewhat mysterious trait of time travelers - in order to procreate with them.
Roger and Bree's time-travel attempt here did not happen in the book. I've mentioned before how season 5 strays from the source material more than any other season, including season 6, which you haven't seen yet. I think they added it in because the show hadn't really captured the precarious nature and danger of time travel. It has made it seem like it's a simple matter like walking through a door. It's not. The journey itself is described as "being turned inside out" but that the description comes woefully short. One of Claire's first thoughts after she arrived from 1968 into 1766 was "That will kill me if I do it again." She found herself lying on the grass in the rain, soaked through, so she thinks she must have been lying there for hours before she came to. She's also said she knows people have died on the journey because she could hear people screaming in there. Roger's first attempt failed because his biological father, Jerry MacKenzie, entered his thoughts just as he touched the stones, (There is a deleted scene of this in the show, but it's awkward and gets off track from the main story, so I get why they cut it.) Roger realized then that you CAN'T go to a time where you already exist. So no, we will never, in the shows or books, see someone meet a younger/older version of themselves, like Back to the Future or Star Trek. They'll only meet older/younger versions of other people, like how Claire discovered that a younger version of Geillis was in Inverness and had not yet gone through the stones. Speaking of Geillis, they got their hands on another notebook of hers that had notes of people disappearing and appearing at the stones of Craigh Na Dun. She actually had a note of housewife Claire Randall disappearing in 1945, but surprisingly she didn't have a note that Claire Randall returned in strange clothes in 1948. Many of the other notes were of dead bodies appearing in strange clothes.
@@MeyaRoseGirl Thank you. I am on my second go round with the books and am on book 7. I am now going to have to look at it lol. It's amazing how much we forget even after reading all the books. With D.G. writting style there is so much information I missed and discovered while re reading
I think they also decided they didn't want to deal with that storyline from what is most of book 6. Which kind of annoys me because that's pretty important things that happen when they come back.
By the way, did anyone notice the rope Roger tied around his wife and son going into the stones was loose and laying on the ground when they came back?
Yes, a lot of symbolism, and small details that are easy to miss on the first watch :) As tough as the subject matter was, I thought the execution of this ep. was brilliant! You're right, in a way, it is mostly a 'quiet' episode... quiet but not peaceful. I didn't dislike Season 6 but I was underwhelmed. It felt like there was a lot of filling in of backstories and a lot of setting up for future stories (we do finally get Ian's story and I LOVED that episode!). But things don't move forward much until Ep 7 & 8. I also do not like where they took Claire's character. I can see how it would have been difficult to translate from book to screen, as what Claire was going though was very internal. What they did though felt wrong for her character. My two cents...
In the book, when Claire tells him that it was only one man and the boy who actually raped her, Jamie destroys a foot stool. Claire assumes, I think, it's because he killed so many men "needlessly" but I think it's more like he's furious that he can't kill them all over again for everything that happened to her. And in the book, it's not Marsali who does the deed to Lionel Brown. It's Mrs. Bug. But they don't really have Mr. and Mrs. Bug in the show so it's hard to suddenly drop her in as a wee murderer. But, given everything we know about Marsali, this isn't entirely out of character for her, honestly. She's fierce in her defense of her family. Och, the Browns. The whole lot are dodgy AF. "That wood paneling is stunning." Remember the big house will be burnt in a couple of years. Brace yourself, dear. When you said, "It's one of my favorite songs", I thought, "It won't be by the end of THIS episode." Try not to let other people's opinions influence you about season 6. It was, of course, a departure from the books, but that's to be expected. Diana can take 2 pages to describe a sunny room and a glass of whisky but that wouldn't be necessary in a TV show.
@RZ-jz5bl - Regarding season 6... what did you... LIKE about it? At any point at all, was the story thrilling? At any point, did Clare act heroically or do anything at all we could get behind? Was the story anything other than depressing? I'm such an Outlander fan because I love Clare as hero and I love adventure. For me, season 6 ,had none of that.
There is no doubt this is a stand-out episode for the Outlander series. However, did this series need yet another rape storyline? It makes me wonder... is the author Diana Gabaldon... stuck in her book series? Or would the story have been better served by concluding with a more creative ending by now? For me moving on to season 6 is... well... less than... the great story, adventure, and heroic characters we've come to expect in this wonderful series.
This is where, from my perspective, jamie fraser loses the moral high ground and my respect. Killing all the prisoners is illegal and unjustifiable. Earlier parts were questionable, like killing the officer who got the prison records. But this was clear. I did like the parts set in the future though, with 18th century characters in the 20th century. This is where i'll stop watching the reactions, as i have only seen up to season 5.
People don't like Season 6??! That's news to me. I thought Season 5 was by far the worst season, but book 5 was my least favorite book, so they did have their work cut out for them. In contrast I LOVE books 6, and I was nervous going into it, but I think the show did an AMAZING job on Season 6. The best they've done since Season 2, in my opinion. It's a truncated season as people will tell but it's beautifully done with so many smaller tender moments and incredible character moments, ah enjoy!
@marykate4489 - The OL fan base is a diverse lot who all come with their own reasons for their love of the show. From the very first episode I have taken Clare Randel-Fraser as a great heroic character and I have really loved the adventure in this series. Admittedly, as folks became more established on the ridge by Season 5, there had been a bit less adventures, but between battles and bison I was more than been satisfied. Then the series gets to season 6... Yeah... All I can say is my disappointment percentage was in the high 90's after viewing those depressing episodes. Worst of all... Clare was no longer the Clare I've admired. For me, if season 7 isn't significantly different from season 6, I may end up being disappointed by the entire last third (or more) of the series.
11:01 "She's Bound by an Oath she may not kill even for her own life. It is myself that kills for her." "And I." "And I." "Kill them all." Powerful words. 16:!4 "She took an Oath, to do no harm.... I made no such Oath." Damn. Such a powerful family. Such a powerful episode. I cried when it aired as I cry even now. Again.
This whole thing was super intense in the book. And also gave rise to one of the best quotes in the whole series at the very end.
"When the day shall come, that we do part," he said softly, and turned to look at me, "if my last words are not 'I love you'--ye'll ken it was because I didna have time." (THE FIERY CROSS)
I recommend watching some of the behind-the-scenes stuff on this episode that explains the weird fantasy place that Claire's mind went to while she was a captive. (It's not in the book.) It's filled with Easter eggs, as another commentator pointed out. What stands out to me are the orange, (Remember King Louis gave her an orange that she made a point to take with her after he had his way with her? It represents her dignity.) the blue vase, (In the pilot episode, she said she'd never owned a vase because she'd never had a home. The fact that this fantasy house contained that vase means it's home.) and Jamie saying, "You're shaking so hard, you're making my teeth rattle." (He said that to her the night they met, which was one of the most frightening, confusing, disorienting days of her life. He was the first person to show her kindness, and he turned out to be the love of her life, so I think of that memory like Disney's Inside Out. It's a core memory.) There are plenty of other things, too. Murtagh's alive. Jocasta's not blind. Fergus has two hands. The house, itself, is on Fraser's Ridge. And then that bit with modern versions of Brown and Hodgepile as police officers showing up at her door to tell her Roger, Bree, and Jem were dead were her fears seeping in.
“Kill them all.” My favourite line from the whole series.
Ahh, this is literally one of my favorite scenes in the book. It gave me goosebumps reading it. She actually hears the war drums beating from Jamie and his men, and she knows the browns are all going to die.
This episode took several viewings for me to take in all the aspects: story line, cinematography, the Easter Eggs, the dialogue, the music, etc. Amazingly created, acted, shot, cu. It sure stays on one’s heart.
I love this episode and it is done in a way that doesn’t make you want to skip on future rewatches.
Claire had gone upstairs. She wasn't there to see Marsali take the water hemlock.
The standing stones seem to have a property that who one's soul is reaching out for helps the travelers "steer", but it's something that they're having to learn by experience.
The writers & directors worked hard to portray "dissociation" as a way one's mind can deal with trauma, hence the 1968+/- dream sequence. Claire has that time to reach back to in her personal history, and the mid-century modern home was one on the cover of a magazine in the doctor's lounge back in Boston. The orange is also a callback, to how she dealt with Louis XV, by taking the orange with her when she left. LOTS of callbacks /Easter eggs in the set and staging.
Hard, dramatic stuff, but this was a hugely well done episode, IMO.
The fantasy house was on a magazine Claire was reading while she was resting at the hospital in a previous episode
Re: Season 6 - I think the biggest disappointment that I saw online was the season was so short. It was only 8 episodes (?) I think...It was filmed at the beginning of the pandemic so the protocols were very challenging and getting the shots needed, as well as the fact that Caitriona Balfe (Claire) was pregnant. So, the 8th episode isn't exactly the greatest place to end the season. But Season 7 is extra long (16 episodes). I think they did a fantastic job working under very challenging circumstances. I'm excited to see your reactions!
jeanmiller2747 - I know many folks defend season 6 and many of not most of the book readers are animate about season 6 being somehow the best season???...??? I'm dumbfounded by that claim. I realize that all story criticism is subjective, but I think season 6 is...pretty darn awful. I've liked Outlander since the first episode because of Clare, our hero, and all the adventures in the story. Season 6 has... no adventure... and even the wonderful Clare... disappoints (profoundly) and the storyline is so depressing (it sucks). I'm really hoping for a turn around in Season 7!
I didn't think this was the best season...I can't remember from the books as I've only read them twice...all in a row, so they all blend together.
For me, I'm willing to cut them some slack dealing with a lot of difficult challenges. I was just glad they were able to film safely and no one got Covid during their filming. I appreciate their hard work to entertain.
Agree that this story is dark. I think if they had been able to complete the season and story arc, perhaps folks would have enjoyed it more.
Did you notice all of the Easter eggs in Claire's dream house? Claire's kidnapping actually happened in book 6, their attempt to go back last episode, did not happen in the books. I had no problem with season 6, which was based on book 6 (A Breath of Snow and Ashes). I think what you are talking about was one element of season 6 that people either hated or loved, depending on their point of view as it was not in the books. Season 6 was also shortened to 8 episodes because of the pandemic and Caitriona's pregnancy. so the first 4 episodes of season 7 were supposed to be season 6. The Season 7 premiere is June 16th, which will show the first 8 episodes of season 7, then the other 8 episodes of season 7 will come in 2024. Hope you are finished seeason 6 before season 7 starts.
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I'm also disappointed that it looks like they may not have time now to do the part with Roger and Brianna in the future. Which to me is pretty important if there is practically a whole book around it but I don't know. I've heard that for the next 2 seasons they're pretty much going a bit off script like the walking dead did. I'm gonna be pretty disappointed when 2 more books come out and we're not going to get any more seasons.
@A Day in My Life
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there definitely will be the part with Roger & Bree etc, there were pics of Lallybroch with a modern door.
@@MissTeeFy Good there's a little hope in me left for all of that. Maybe what they're gonna do is shorten it up quite a bit to a couple of few episodes so that we can learn about Claire and the blue light with what follows after. Have you read the last book?
@A Day in My Life yes I read Bees. There's speculation that they'll end the show with the ending of book 8, "hellooo the house," which wouldn't be too bad. I'd hoped to see on screen the explanation of Jamie's ghost. Maybe they'll do a movie down the road, but I doubt it.
@@MissTeeFy If they have to end Outlander, I am glad it will be at the end of season 8, which seems like an natural ending, but I too hope they explain Jamie's ghost. I also have read Bees, can't wait till Book 10 comes out to see what happens next.
Brianna and Roger MacKenzie begin to record everything they know - or at least suspect - about time travel in a journal, which they jokingly refer to as the "Hitchhiker's Guide" for time travelers. The journal includes exposition on ley lines and geomagnetism as part of a series of working hypotheses on how time travel works.
Genetics
The evidence to hand regarding time travel as an inherited ability is the correlation between parents and offspring, with regard to demonstrated ability to pass through known time portals: Claire Fraser and her child, Brianna, have the ability; Geillis Duncan and her descendants (William Buccleigh MacKenzie, Jeremiah Walter MacKenzie, and Roger MacKenzie) all have the ability; and the child of Brianna and Roger, Jeremiah MacKenzi have the ability.
The Comte St. Germain, another traveler, also seems to be aware of the heritability of the time travel trait, as he actively seeks others with the "blue aura" - an observed but somewhat mysterious trait of time travelers - in order to procreate with them.
Roger and Bree's time-travel attempt here did not happen in the book. I've mentioned before how season 5 strays from the source material more than any other season, including season 6, which you haven't seen yet. I think they added it in because the show hadn't really captured the precarious nature and danger of time travel. It has made it seem like it's a simple matter like walking through a door. It's not. The journey itself is described as "being turned inside out" but that the description comes woefully short. One of Claire's first thoughts after she arrived from 1968 into 1766 was "That will kill me if I do it again." She found herself lying on the grass in the rain, soaked through, so she thinks she must have been lying there for hours before she came to. She's also said she knows people have died on the journey because she could hear people screaming in there.
Roger's first attempt failed because his biological father, Jerry MacKenzie, entered his thoughts just as he touched the stones, (There is a deleted scene of this in the show, but it's awkward and gets off track from the main story, so I get why they cut it.) Roger realized then that you CAN'T go to a time where you already exist. So no, we will never, in the shows or books, see someone meet a younger/older version of themselves, like Back to the Future or Star Trek. They'll only meet older/younger versions of other people, like how Claire discovered that a younger version of Geillis was in Inverness and had not yet gone through the stones.
Speaking of Geillis, they got their hands on another notebook of hers that had notes of people disappearing and appearing at the stones of Craigh Na Dun. She actually had a note of housewife Claire Randall disappearing in 1945, but surprisingly she didn't have a note that Claire Randall returned in strange clothes in 1948. Many of the other notes were of dead bodies appearing in strange clothes.
I must have missed that part about Geillis and her book with Claire's name in it! Was it i the books or the series?
@@MultiJeanette1 Book 4. Roger found it just before he went through the stones.
@@MeyaRoseGirl Thank you. I am on my second go round with the books and am on book 7. I am now going to have to look at it lol. It's amazing how much we forget even after reading all the books. With D.G. writting style there is so much information I missed and discovered while re reading
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Roger and Bri ended up in the same time because in the book they never tried to travel at this point in the story.
I think they also decided they didn't want to deal with that storyline from what is most of book 6. Which kind of annoys me because that's pretty important things that happen when they come back.
By the way, did anyone notice the rope Roger tied around his wife and son going into the stones was loose and laying on the ground when they came back?
Yes, a lot of symbolism, and small details that are easy to miss on the first watch :) As tough as the subject matter was, I thought the execution of this ep. was brilliant! You're right, in a way, it is mostly a 'quiet' episode... quiet but not peaceful.
I didn't dislike Season 6 but I was underwhelmed. It felt like there was a lot of filling in of backstories and a lot of setting up for future stories (we do finally get Ian's story and I LOVED that episode!). But things don't move forward much until Ep 7 & 8. I also do not like where they took Claire's character. I can see how it would have been difficult to translate from book to screen, as what Claire was going though was very internal. What they did though felt wrong for her character. My two cents...
In the book, when Claire tells him that it was only one man and the boy who actually raped her, Jamie destroys a foot stool. Claire assumes, I think, it's because he killed so many men "needlessly" but I think it's more like he's furious that he can't kill them all over again for everything that happened to her.
And in the book, it's not Marsali who does the deed to Lionel Brown. It's Mrs. Bug. But they don't really have Mr. and Mrs. Bug in the show so it's hard to suddenly drop her in as a wee murderer. But, given everything we know about Marsali, this isn't entirely out of character for her, honestly. She's fierce in her defense of her family.
Och, the Browns. The whole lot are dodgy AF.
"That wood paneling is stunning." Remember the big house will be burnt in a couple of years. Brace yourself, dear.
When you said, "It's one of my favorite songs", I thought, "It won't be by the end of THIS episode."
Try not to let other people's opinions influence you about season 6. It was, of course, a departure from the books, but that's to be expected. Diana can take 2 pages to describe a sunny room and a glass of whisky but that wouldn't be necessary in a TV show.
The still anna, "no shit" lol
This episode made me nauseous for days afterwards 😢. As for season 6, I enjoyed it.
@RZ-jz5bl - Regarding season 6... what did you... LIKE about it? At any point at all, was the story thrilling? At any point, did Clare act heroically or do anything at all we could get behind? Was the story anything other than depressing? I'm such an Outlander fan because I love Clare as hero and I love adventure. For me, season 6 ,had none of that.
There is no doubt this is a stand-out episode for the Outlander series. However, did this series need yet another rape storyline? It makes me wonder... is the author Diana Gabaldon... stuck in her book series? Or would the story have been better served by concluding with a more creative ending by now?
For me moving on to season 6 is... well... less than... the great story, adventure, and heroic characters we've come to expect in this wonderful series.
This is where, from my perspective, jamie fraser loses the moral high ground and my respect. Killing all the prisoners is illegal and unjustifiable. Earlier parts were questionable, like killing the officer who got the prison records. But this was clear.
I did like the parts set in the future though, with 18th century characters in the 20th century.
This is where i'll stop watching the reactions, as i have only seen up to season 5.
People don't like Season 6??! That's news to me. I thought Season 5 was by far the worst season, but book 5 was my least favorite book, so they did have their work cut out for them. In contrast I LOVE books 6, and I was nervous going into it, but I think the show did an AMAZING job on Season 6. The best they've done since Season 2, in my opinion. It's a truncated season as people will tell but it's beautifully done with so many smaller tender moments and incredible character moments, ah enjoy!
@marykate4489 - The OL fan base is a diverse lot who all come with their own reasons for their love of the show. From the very first episode I have taken Clare Randel-Fraser as a great heroic character and I have really loved the adventure in this series. Admittedly, as folks became more established on the ridge by Season 5, there had been a bit less adventures, but between battles and bison I was more than been satisfied. Then the series gets to season 6... Yeah... All I can say is my disappointment percentage was in the high 90's after viewing those depressing episodes. Worst of all... Clare was no longer the Clare I've admired. For me, if season 7 isn't significantly different from season 6, I may end up being disappointed by the entire last third (or more) of the series.
11:01 "She's Bound by an Oath she may not kill even for her own life. It is myself that kills for her." "And I." "And I." "Kill them all." Powerful words. 16:!4 "She took an Oath, to do no harm.... I made no such Oath." Damn. Such a powerful family. Such a powerful episode. I cried when it aired as I cry even now. Again.