I didn't even think how powerful Ranger/Barb would be it would be insane. I believe Ranger/Bard would be amazing solo, buff yourself, then play Ranger normal but with increased action speed movement speed damage stats and maybe a shield depending. The opposite should be good for Trios, Bard with 1 or 2 Ranger perks for example Crossbow mastery or Nimble Hands and/or Quick Reload when using a surv bow, or maybe a Bard multi classing a Ranger can use a recurve bow somehow.
I think you’re right! I do think Bard would be powerful. I just don’t play enough Bard to know how long buffs last on self vs others. And then you would be bringing instruments as opposed to a spell book like if you subclassed into spells, so you’re not losing any dps by not having your primary and secondary weapons. Maybe it would be great!
good video! why do I feel like ranger seems to be one of the classes that benefits the least from multiclassing unlike others coz of what synergizes with their playstyle
My opinion is multi classing is going to be great for keeping meta gaming more wide open then the small options we have had before. Its gonna be strong, but rng and anyone who plays enough will be able to achieve which is great. Im excited
The only problem I've got right now is that if they keep the xp requirement and lvl 100 requirement, it's not going to be achievable by players who aren't playing 6-8 hours daily.
@@Fari12148 a message was posted by sdf in the discord after the wipe interviews happened stating that it won't be lvl 100, and more like 35 for mastery since they changed xp amounts.
I don’t even want to grind for multi class it seems like it’s gonna take years not a month or two with how they changed the Xp. Boutta just wait till next season 😢
I primarily play ranger, and I can't wait to watch all of your videos form this point onward man. May multiclass be good to the rangerhood. The level was also set to 35 right now, but will be changed to 30 next patch or so, according to sdf. The message is pinned in the DaD general chat.
Thanks so much for the support! Oh, 30 is MUCH more attainable than 100. Or maybe I just understood it wrong. But either way, I appreciate you clarifying 😁
IronMace is halfway to v1.0 and they're adding multiclass like wtf... Balance should be top priority for them rn and introducing it this early (let alone AT ALL) is pretty much throwing balance out the window.
I think fun should be priority #1 and if they spend too much time on balance, there wont be enough content release and people will get bored. But balance IS important.
@@kiffsan ig but its way more tedious than u think, there is no way it could be done in a few patches it going to take a min. with how many "moving part" there is the game would die before its fully balanced
Bard ranger is categorically better than Ranger bard with the exceptions of insisting on having a spear. If you must have a spear then the only clear option is ranger bard. But at this point you might just consider ranger cleric. As the buffs are more suitable and can be better tailored to any holes your grp may have.
I do agree with some of that logic but my thought process is that Ranger resourcefulness is 10 higher than Bard. So songs will last 60% longer without any gear. Also, every Ranger and their mother are going to go either Barb or Rogue. I want to try something different!
I have a build for you to try...Buff Duration.. you can pick penshot and quck fire or knockback last quite a long time, but try it out i used a survival bow
You don't think Weapon mastery would be slightly decent on ranger incase someone gets close to you maybe you have a nice 2 handed sword? (edit) nvm then you could just use a spear and gain +10 physical with it instead of losing 10 using a sword
I disagree with ice sheild I got it on my ranger and it was the only perk i wanted, when i die on ranger it’s because Im slowed from being hit by something, I stack move speed use recurve and ice shield has won me so many fights so far, please reconsider which bow you’re using with what build, longbow ice shield would be unnecessary, I am gonna upload a kill montage soon with ice shield
@@thedarkharvester I actually get around medium distance to maximize damage on recurve but I normallly shot twice, then triple shot and turn and run till triple shot pops again and the quick fire, triple shot and if I determine they’re low I got for body shots, I never TRY to get close but with SPRINT being ran by everyone sometimes I get slowed as well by franny or other stuff but ideally i don’t try to take melee damage in solos, however in trios sometimes i have been intentionally letting myself get melee’s while a teammate is being chased to proc the slow and allow my wizard a free fire ball then i fall to back line and heal or ill get hit with a heal from my wizard/cleric hybrid but overall ideally i’m uncatchable but sometimes rogues come out of invis, sometimes barbs and fighters hide around corners, its great for quick surprises in solos and in trios it’s amazing for me being able to ego a door way and triple shot without fear of dying since i get a free life basically, so far it has actually won me a few fights as well since when they are slowed its much easier to hit a triple shot! check out my youtube if you would like to, i run ranger pre multi class with no ice sheild but still play the EXACT same just now I dont die to the first melee attack that lands
You get to 100 on the class that you want get skills from ,do I understand that right? And then using rng and leveling other class you get a perk every (idk how many levels), seems like a huuuuuuuuge time sink which will divide the sweats from noobs and lead to noobs leaving eventually due to being underpowered even if they get to same quality gear, imo. On top of that, did they say if there is any level cap restrictions? Because if you don't get lucky until you hit 100, you might not get the needed perk/skill. And the biggest concern is that if all of that is gone each wipe then the time sink is just not worth.
So they recently changed it to level 35. You have to hit 35 with whichever characters that you want to multi class with. It’s really not that bad in terms of hours to grind levels. Especially if you play High Roller. But yes, it is going to be rng so every few levels, you’ll have another try at a skill, perk or spell!
i downloaded the game as a new player last evening and leveled my ranger to level 34 that evening after work. Today on my day off im leveling a rogue to 30 to multiclass. it takes literally 2 days
@@lars7747 if you want to roll 1 time then yeah, each character will take you 2 days, but for most build you need at least a couple of classes, so its a huge time sink, not to mention that they will delete it from the game in a couple of days
@@thedarkharvester yeah in multiclass which perks etc. But don't bother not many ppl plays it and it will be waste of your time I'll just search it myself ty tho
Honestly the idea that you can spec into other classes, even after grinding them to a high level, is too busted and essentially exponentially increases the chance of completely broken combos to exist. And it rewards sweats even more... so instead of having the 'simple' task of balancing PVP, ironmace instead decides to just make it mathematically impossible to balance the game at all, completely breaking it.. So dumb.. plus it isnt even lore friendly.. a ranger running around casting spells and double jumping.. come on They keep adding shit the playerbase doesnt want, or they listen and pander to the 60% of the playerbase who plays rat rogues.. people just want to play a balanced map, yet they keep making ice maps People just want druid yet it seems to be quite low on their priorities.. people are tired of lobbies filled with 60% rat rogues, yet they refuse to remove pickpocket and they buff rogues Rant over I am still addicted to the game tho.. its like an abusive gf you love too much to leave lol
Some of what you’re saying, I agree with. I want druid. I also despise the rat rogue play style. What I disagree with is the lore. Multi classing in Dungeons and Dragons is an enormous aspect towards character development. And IM has stated many times that they derive a lot of their thought process from Dungeons and Dragons. I do agree that it will require more problems with balance but I will say that I think that it will allow for many more diverse and fun builds. The sweats will rule the lobbies per usual though. But that’s how all pvp looter shooters are. I will try to make content that people can watch to make them better and potentially compete. I have killed many bis teams and some streamers. But that was in duos. Now that it’s a knew season, I plan to learn trios and come for the streamers.
@@thedarkharvester i know but I just dont think you can translate dungeons and dragons into a pvp game.. it has to have limitations for the sake of balance.. you can have very diverse playstyles, yeah.. emphasis on CAN.. everybody will be playing 85% armor pen one shot build. Basically everybody will now be able to spec so broken they one shot everybody.. except of course the casuals which is what will actually keep the game alive.. they cant because they'll never level all their characters to max level because they dont play 24/7 like me and the other nerds.. same thing with reintroducing +all to every gear piece.. HR will be even more impossible to play as even if you're relatively hardcore, because the level of gear disparity just became much larger
@@Drikkerbadevand I do agree with that. And I am curious as to why they brought back the +2 all attributes again. I suppose I am just keeping my positivity for the sake of the game! I really enjoy this game and I want everyone to learn about it and have fun playing.
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I just want to get spear mastery on rogue to take it with poison weapon and backtumbles. Im fan of oberyn martell
Ah, yes! Be extra cocky with your spear and see what happens :D
I didn't even think how powerful Ranger/Barb would be it would be insane. I believe Ranger/Bard would be amazing solo, buff yourself, then play Ranger normal but with increased action speed movement speed damage stats and maybe a shield depending. The opposite should be good for Trios, Bard with 1 or 2 Ranger perks for example Crossbow mastery or Nimble Hands and/or Quick Reload when using a surv bow, or maybe a Bard multi classing a Ranger can use a recurve bow somehow.
I think you’re right! I do think Bard would be powerful. I just don’t play enough Bard to know how long buffs last on self vs others. And then you would be bringing instruments as opposed to a spell book like if you subclassed into spells, so you’re not losing any dps by not having your primary and secondary weapons. Maybe it would be great!
good video! why do I feel like ranger seems to be one of the classes that benefits the least from multiclassing unlike others coz of what synergizes with their playstyle
Yeah, it’s a little rough out here. Especially because apparently poison weapon and smite both don’t work with bows…
My opinion is multi classing is going to be great for keeping meta gaming more wide open then the small options we have had before. Its gonna be strong, but rng and anyone who plays enough will be able to achieve which is great. Im excited
You and I have the exact same response to it!
The only problem I've got right now is that if they keep the xp requirement and lvl 100 requirement, it's not going to be achievable by players who aren't playing 6-8 hours daily.
@@Fari12148 a message was posted by sdf in the discord after the wipe interviews happened stating that it won't be lvl 100, and more like 35 for mastery since they changed xp amounts.
I don’t even want to grind for multi class it seems like it’s gonna take years not a month or two with how they changed the Xp. Boutta just wait till next season 😢
It did seem like that! But they recently stated that you only have to hit level 35 so it’s SUPER doable now 😁
I think they are also buffing the xp gains
I primarily play ranger, and I can't wait to watch all of your videos form this point onward man. May multiclass be good to the rangerhood. The level was also set to 35 right now, but will be changed to 30 next patch or so, according to sdf. The message is pinned in the DaD general chat.
Thanks so much for the support! Oh, 30 is MUCH more attainable than 100. Or maybe I just understood it wrong. But either way, I appreciate you clarifying 😁
My first thought is double jump, I feel like that would increase the amount of safety and sniping that rangers could do very easily.
I totally agree. Hide double jump ambush would allow for insane assassinations!
Double jump+ multishot in close combat you should able to head shot 3/5 arrows
@@jarmuzz That’s an amazing idea actually!
Ignite bow IS a ranged DPS perk. Also a ranger able to cast slow to make distance... ranger/wizard would be BROKEN
How would you ignite your bow?
IronMace is halfway to v1.0 and they're adding multiclass like wtf... Balance should be top priority for them rn and introducing it this early (let alone AT ALL) is pretty much throwing balance out the window.
I think fun should be priority #1 and if they spend too much time on balance, there wont be enough content release and people will get bored. But balance IS important.
What he said. If every patch was for balance the game would die quickly tbh
@@justinflowers3174 Once you balance the game you wouldn't need to patch the game for balance, that'd be kinda redundant.
@@kiffsan ig but its way more tedious than u think, there is no way it could be done in a few patches it going to take a min. with how many "moving part" there is the game would die before its fully balanced
Bard ranger is categorically better than Ranger bard with the exceptions of insisting on having a spear.
If you must have a spear then the only clear option is ranger bard. But at this point you might just consider ranger cleric. As the buffs are more suitable and can be better tailored to any holes your grp may have.
I do agree with some of that logic but my thought process is that Ranger resourcefulness is 10 higher than Bard. So songs will last 60% longer without any gear. Also, every Ranger and their mother are going to go either Barb or Rogue. I want to try something different!
Unfortunately poison weapon Cutthroat and rupture do not work on Ranger except when using hand crossbow just tested this out last night
Oh my…I wonder why
Can you spec into double ranger and run two triple shots or double biscuits? Just curious.
That would be busted because you could double up on headshot damage and crossbow mastery for 70% addition physical damage
I have a build for you to try...Buff Duration.. you can pick penshot and quck fire or knockback last quite a long time, but try it out i used a survival bow
Also longbow with quickfire and penshot
But this wipe im using pdr ranger with backstep and rations
Very interesting builds! I love the diversity. Haven’t seen anyone do these 😁
You don't think Weapon mastery would be slightly decent on ranger incase someone gets close to you maybe you have a nice 2 handed sword? (edit) nvm then you could just use a spear and gain +10 physical with it instead of losing 10 using a sword
I wonder if you could multiclass with yourself? Two possibly three rangers leveled up and getting the perks and skills from the other rangers… hmmm
four 15% additional headshot damage with both skills being quick shot 😂
@@thedarkharvester insane damage base kit 😂
I disagree with ice sheild I got it on my ranger and it was the only perk i wanted, when i die on ranger it’s because Im slowed from being hit by something, I stack move speed use recurve and ice shield has won me so many fights so far, please reconsider which bow you’re using with what build, longbow ice shield would be unnecessary, I am gonna upload a kill montage soon with ice shield
That’s a great point! So, your experience is that enemies are getting close enough to melee you?
@@thedarkharvester I actually get around medium distance to maximize damage on recurve but I normallly shot twice, then triple shot and turn and run till triple shot pops again and the quick fire, triple shot and if I determine they’re low I got for body shots, I never TRY to get close but with SPRINT being ran by everyone sometimes I get slowed as well by franny or other stuff but ideally i don’t try to take melee damage in solos, however in trios sometimes i have been intentionally letting myself get melee’s while a teammate is being chased to proc the slow and allow my wizard a free fire ball then i fall to back line and heal or ill get hit with a heal from my wizard/cleric hybrid but overall ideally i’m uncatchable but sometimes rogues come out of invis, sometimes barbs and fighters hide around corners, its great for quick surprises in solos and in trios it’s amazing for me being able to ego a door way and triple shot without fear of dying since i get a free life basically, so far it has actually won me a few fights as well since when they are slowed its much easier to hit a triple shot! check out my youtube if you would like to, i run ranger pre multi class with no ice sheild but still play the EXACT same just now I dont die to the first melee attack that lands
I don’t know about you but I’m pretty sure bards weapon swap talent would be meta if anyone stopped to think about it for ranger.
Will you elaborate?
You get to 100 on the class that you want get skills from ,do I understand that right? And then using rng and leveling other class you get a perk every (idk how many levels), seems like a huuuuuuuuge time sink which will divide the sweats from noobs and lead to noobs leaving eventually due to being underpowered even if they get to same quality gear, imo. On top of that, did they say if there is any level cap restrictions? Because if you don't get lucky until you hit 100, you might not get the needed perk/skill. And the biggest concern is that if all of that is gone each wipe then the time sink is just not worth.
So they recently changed it to level 35. You have to hit 35 with whichever characters that you want to multi class with. It’s really not that bad in terms of hours to grind levels. Especially if you play High Roller. But yes, it is going to be rng so every few levels, you’ll have another try at a skill, perk or spell!
i downloaded the game as a new player last evening and leveled my ranger to level 34 that evening after work. Today on my day off im leveling a rogue to 30 to multiclass. it takes literally 2 days
@@lars7747 if you want to roll 1 time then yeah, each character will take you 2 days, but for most build you need at least a couple of classes, so its a huge time sink, not to mention that they will delete it from the game in a couple of days
@@brave.l3958 is it? If each class takes a few hours to level?
2:25 at that point just get triple shot on fighter.
That would be strong!!
Can you do melee warlock? Lol
You mean like different Warlock builds that would make them strong in melee?
@@thedarkharvester yeah in multiclass which perks etc. But don't bother not many ppl plays it and it will be waste of your time I'll just search it myself ty tho
@@guardiann7 I think that sounds fun to check out! I was thinking of doing a video for each multi class
you cant use any spells on a ranger because ranger cant use a magic weapon
That’s very true…but sad…
What about with the fighter weapon perk I wonder
Honestly the idea that you can spec into other classes, even after grinding them to a high level, is too busted and essentially exponentially increases the chance of completely broken combos to exist. And it rewards sweats even more... so instead of having the 'simple' task of balancing PVP, ironmace instead decides to just make it mathematically impossible to balance the game at all, completely breaking it..
So dumb.. plus it isnt even lore friendly.. a ranger running around casting spells and double jumping.. come on
They keep adding shit the playerbase doesnt want, or they listen and pander to the 60% of the playerbase who plays rat rogues.. people just want to play a balanced map, yet they keep making ice maps
People just want druid yet it seems to be quite low on their priorities.. people are tired of lobbies filled with 60% rat rogues, yet they refuse to remove pickpocket and they buff rogues
Rant over
I am still addicted to the game tho.. its like an abusive gf you love too much to leave lol
Some of what you’re saying, I agree with. I want druid. I also despise the rat rogue play style. What I disagree with is the lore. Multi classing in Dungeons and Dragons is an enormous aspect towards character development. And IM has stated many times that they derive a lot of their thought process from Dungeons and Dragons. I do agree that it will require more problems with balance but I will say that I think that it will allow for many more diverse and fun builds. The sweats will rule the lobbies per usual though. But that’s how all pvp looter shooters are. I will try to make content that people can watch to make them better and potentially compete. I have killed many bis teams and some streamers. But that was in duos. Now that it’s a knew season, I plan to learn trios and come for the streamers.
@@thedarkharvester i know but I just dont think you can translate dungeons and dragons into a pvp game.. it has to have limitations for the sake of balance.. you can have very diverse playstyles, yeah.. emphasis on CAN.. everybody will be playing 85% armor pen one shot build. Basically everybody will now be able to spec so broken they one shot everybody.. except of course the casuals which is what will actually keep the game alive.. they cant because they'll never level all their characters to max level because they dont play 24/7 like me and the other nerds.. same thing with reintroducing +all to every gear piece.. HR will be even more impossible to play as even if you're relatively hardcore, because the level of gear disparity just became much larger
@@Drikkerbadevand I do agree with that. And I am curious as to why they brought back the +2 all attributes again. I suppose I am just keeping my positivity for the sake of the game! I really enjoy this game and I want everyone to learn about it and have fun playing.
imagine shooting someone with a windlass to the feet with achilles strike. Literal death right there
And very thematic!