Why Do People QUIT BJJ Part 1: "It's too HARD!" - Kama Vlog
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It's hard because it's the most humbling martial art. It challenges people's egos. Most people can't take it.
MM, I have no ego but its my brain that is having a HARD time. I dont care about losing but its like playing 5 dimensional chess and my brain is running in 2 dimes
David consistent practice never made anybody worse
True it challenges your ego EVERY CLASS because we spar every class
For studio owners, you'd be surprised what a simple phone call to the student who wants to quit would do for retention.
Yep. I know that one. Although I’ve found that if they truly want to quit, they’ll do it anyway. They’ll just wait a bit and do it via text or email.
Sure, especially if the cause is an experienced partner who is injuring a beginner.
Jiu-jitsu is hard, but the first time I stepped on the mat I knew that it was for me. I haven't looked back, it's been 10 months and I don't want to imagine my life without it. It has taught me long overdue lessons in discipline, mental toughness, and facing fears that have translated to my life beyond the mat.
Your videos are excellent and informative, you can get lost in hundreds of technique videos or you can listen to solid advice and history on the topic. I appreciate it.
Thank you!
ITS so hard and complex that my brain just goes numb and I cannot do well in rolling. Oh well, I wont give up but now i hurt my hand
For almost everyone..life tends to take over at some time or another. Give yourself the ability to accept this...come at least one day a week when this happens.
I know at our school we had a much higher “failure” rate in the older days. We had a lot of guys who took too much pleasure in making lower level guys “suffer”. Once the mind set of the students was changed & the meat heads were moved out the number of stun dents tripled in a year.
The problem here is, you go in, trying to be humble and not hurt anyone or be aggressive, and they take advantage of that and hurt YOU. When you were letting them get you into compromised positions in the first place. Real dick move.
this is the biggest reason people leave
First lesson in the bag and I can confirm, IT IS HARD. Both technically and mentally I felt entirely lost even on the basics, but thats normal. Next lesson tomorrow , lets get it
My personal experience was when I received my purple belt and after my 12 hour shift from the hospital being 40 years I would be a target for the 25 year old blue belts who probably didn't work training all day. I figured at age 40 and being the target for belt advancements I had enough. Well at 58 I became fat and realized that a better diet and some intensity training of some sport would get my gut off. Low and behold the old jiu jitsu fever of old has started and I regret ever quitting. Lost 27 lbs in 2 months.
You got your purple belt 18 years ago?!
Longer than that. Practiced from 93 to year 2000. I remember Professor Dave as a purple belt at the Gracie Academy having the honor doing a Gracie challenge. Dave choked out the adversary via a clean stand up guillotine choke
It’s too bad we don’t have that on TH-cam...
Did I meet you at the Gracie Academy? I was there from mid-92 until Fabio left for San Diego.
Glad you're back, Rob! ;)
Great TH-cam video Roll, so cal jiu jitsu. Recognized Richard and Ethan. Did you live in Ventura.? When Craig Kukuk left then Fabio came in. I always went to Brazil after I quit BJJ and went even before BJJ. I have now permanent residence Visa there and always return to Cabralia/Porto Seguro Brazil which are small cities. This November I will return and have just been introduced to a couple black belts who are friends with my English Scuba teacher there. Since UFC bjj is everywhere so your videos are so important.I have lots overlooking the beautiful Atlantic ocean which I would love to build a dojo with the ocean view. Only problem! I quit and the bjj fever has returned now.BJJ was nothing in 98 and I now realize how big it has become . DONT QUIT is my message also
For most people, including myself, grappling and BJJ is not intuitive *at all.* The way to overcome the feeling that it's too hard, in my opinion, is to not take it too seriously. Don't think about it too much! Show up, slowly get better one tiny step at a time, try enjoy yourself. That's all.
Just like anything else, people lose interest because it's no longer fun, clicks, disengagement from both parties, etc.
Jiu Jitsu selects a lot. It's said in another video that only a small percentage of the white belts became blue belts. One of the factors of this high drop rate could be the a side effect of the "jiu jitsu natural selection". It's something like this: lots of peopple get into the gym every year. There they get into a very complex martial art that also demands enormous physical efforts. The new guy sometimes think that he's not evolving, because he can't do all the moves or because he can't submit anyone. Thats sometimes related to the fact that he is comparing himself with the one that the mats have already selected, the more enduring ones. So the hardness of the art selects the thoghtest practioners and, thus, inadvertedly, makes harder for the begginners.
Looks like you’ve thought about this subject before.
I like this a lot.. and as a white belt who has missed a few lessons due to work.. I was having some doubts... not anymore! Thank you.
I suck but i am not quitting !! I am giving it 2 more damn years !! I wont quit. I am skinny and uncoordinated as hell and I am starting to think my intellect is below par
@@quasar4601 Don't quit man, I was utter shite, until you find 'your game' which will be around mid to late blue, it will really really suck. But once you find your favourite techniques, you can specialize, I.E if you have long legs, you do triangles, triangles, triangles until your training partners become sick of you and you possess the ability to kill at will with your go to moves :)) Almost at my brown btw.
@@quasar4601 So, you posted this three years ago. Quit yet?
I came from Kickboxing and training in BJJ is a whole other level. I must admit, im 35 and always sore, job + my own active channel, 3 young kids and busy life..it is hard to get out and keep going, but I've been at it 11 months and more and more I feel like its clicking.
#1) it's expensive ($115 to as much as 190 a month)
#2)physically demanding
#3)hours don't fit their schedule
#4)time consuming
#5)individuals not checking their ego's at the door
#6)requires a partner to practice on
#7) very technical
i am lucky enough to have an academy with BJJ, Judo, and Kickboxing.....for 70$ a month. Day, evening, night classes on most days. I use to drive almost 2 hrs round trip and pay 150$....thank god i found this "gem".
Honestly this is a Surprisingly objective take on the situation. A lot better than simplifying it as “everyone has an ego problem”
@@jamesbishop4183 i pay 180 for half a year
@@ghostrot nice...mine went up to 100$ a month
@@ghostrot i just do 5 bjj classes a week tho
Been training on and off for a few years now (roughly 3 years) - also had some 1-1 sessions with my former coach. I’ve really struggled with it, I watch the drills in class, but forget everything as soon as I have to go through it (or when I’m rolling) and still have to rely on my partner’s help to get me through a session.
Been training at a new gym, but still finding the old habits coming back. I hope I will be able to start getting better, but I certainly have a love/hate relationship with BJJ. Generally, I am a slow learner and BJJ has certainly made me realise this. I hope I’ll be able to pick it up soon, but been saying that to myself for a long time and my head goes down easily.
I think it's common for people with injuries/who are prone to injury to get tired telling some people to take it easy. When someone over 45 with recurring injuries says they need to take it easy it's not because they are lazy or because they are new to the sport or because they don't like getting hurt or because they don't want to push themselves. Some people have background injuries that they really need to watch. This may not be a problem in your classes but I have experienced it in other places.
That’s a challenge in taking group classes. By telling everyone to “take it easy,” it hampers their experience on the mat just as being prone to injury hampers your experience.
Best solution to get a great experience learning the art in this case, is to take privates or semi-privates.
I wouldn’t suggest the whole class should take it easy. Just my partner while with me. Although I take your point. I think private class are probably the best way forward. Thanks
All I’m saying is that if the class is set up with 10 hard rounds, everyone is actually getting just 9, because they would all need to “throttle down” when matched up with you for their 10th round. If they are ok with that, great.
But what if they’re not?
But if you get just 1 out of the 10 actually go hard instead of soft (for you), you’ll potentially get injured.
The question then is, “Who’s fault is it that you got injured, your opponent’s, for sparring in a sparring session, or you for a) not protecting yourself adequately and b) putting yourself in a class you’re not prepared for?
🤷♂️
Just thinking out loud here.
I thought I have a good cardio but doing BJJ changed my thought. Its blood, sweat, and tears. You really gotta work hard for it for your muscle memory & needs to relax. Then it all starts to kick in. The thing is, you have to workout outside BJJ too anaerobic and aerobic to protect yourself and condition the body. Discipline is needed mentally & physically. 🙂
Relaxing is huge. I know a guy right now who is always shaking (he’s new) and I can feel how tense he gets. I always try to calm him down when we’re practicing.
Great subject again. I think one of the or two of the main reasons people quit is because First it is difficult to get to a Black belt, which is most peoples goals. Second because it is so effective as a self defense system u can be an adequate white to Blue belt and be able to defend ur self against the average untrained opponent for the most part. Since u can handle ur self often it becomes easy to quit. I quit for a long time and I saw people I knew get their Black Belts and people who started after me get their Black belts. That motivated me and so I started training on a regular basis again about two and a half to three years ago and I just got my Purple belt which was a big achievement for me. I for one will never quit again.
Xavier Cabrera , age is relevant. I was tired being a target for the 25 year old blue belts being age 40 and going to the mat after 12 hours of work. Well, after I quit now I'm 58 and 40 seems young now and I restarted again wearing that purple belt with the 25 year olds wanting a piece of me. That's the way it goes in this sport. Law of the jungle
Robert Hardebeck I hear you about the young guys. I’m 55 going on 56 in October They hv that extra energy going especially if ur a higher belt. If I’m too tired, I will usually call it a day.
Age does matter. If they’re hunting your purple belt down all the time, it’s a school culture thing. Some schools are like that, some not.
Xavier Cabrera , my past experience is that its wasn't the school but a notch on the belt for a belt promotion. Perfectly normal goal! I have always worked 12 hour shifts then would greet the youngsters who did not work and wanted to be black belts. Truth is, we are all big boys and this is the game we are in. Now with TH-cam, we have this wonderful Kama podcast addressing issues which were so hard to do in the past.
Robert Hardebeck Well I look at this way for both of us. As long as you don’t quit and keep learning many of those young guys will probably quit because most people as Ryan said end up quitting. Coming back into training seriously 2 1/2 - 3 years ago was difficult because of my age. I knew I would be one of the oldest guys there so mentally it was difficult, but now I don’t even think about my age .
Here's my take. JJ is a hobby, an art, self defense, and now a sport. Those who want a hobby or art have countless options like painting, old cars, etc and those don't have injury risk . Super-athletes can play other sports that have serious money and free college involved; an NHL rookie makes more on his rookie contract than 95% of BJJ or MMA fighters will in their entire careers. Self defense, well that has many options too, like a handgun which has its own "gym" with gun people, targets, etc.
So a long time BJJ practitioner has chosen it because of preference, they like it, it's that simple. Trying to get people to like it more is probably as effective as trying to make someone like Chinese food more.
There really is something about that 1 year mark. I think the 6 month point as well. At 6 months i stopped being so sore, my ribs especially. 12 months youre kind of getting it, you can have your way with the new guys, and maybe threatening some blue belts. And then of course your blue belt itself is hopefully at least close if you've really made a commitment to it, which is something i kind of loath honestly. As a white belt i can tap out blue belts but still get tapped by white belts and it's all good, no pressure.
It's kind of funny reading the replies. "Oh, people quit because it's difficult." Ok, sure. That applies to every aspect of life, though. People quit learning musical instruments because it's hard. With BJJ, though, people get tired of being bullied, abused, and generally used as training dummies by the upper belts. Nobody should be forced to be the victim of felony assault just to learn a martial art otherwise you're the POS Judo instructor who just killed a 7-year old student for "not being tough enough." It should say something about the "by bullies, for bullies" nature of this art that people would literally rather get punched and kicked in the face than go to BJJ classes.
I have to agree. I havent done Bjj but I do know how hard it is to practice a martial art. I did kick boxing when I was a kid (mainly because my friends and I used to hang out in a gym after school) but I quit for some years until I college. Now I started Judo and many times I see that things are not as easy as people in TV make it seem to be. I dont quit but I do know that doing a martial art is very VERY demanding.
Dude exact same situation for me. Did Muay Thai in high school and got pretty good at it. Now I've been doing judo over 5 months and i almost wanna quit before. Everyone at my dojo is so much better than me and progress is very slow. I want to get good, but it feels bad that I'm proceeding so slowly. Could be an ego thing, not sure
BJJ is like playing 4 dimensional chess but Judo is like 5 Dimensional chess. I hate throwing and being thrown so i would not last a day in Judo without quting
I hurt my hand today and looks like I am out for the week but nothing serious lol. My hand was hurting but the coach told me to suck it up and i was getting killed on the mat because i had one hand to work with
Something else not discussed is cost per month. In my area bjj/gjj is over $125 a month. It may not be sustainable for everyone's income. When I did TKD years ago it was $35 a month and a wing chun school 10 years ago was $60.
$125/mo is not at all unreasonable, brother.
Thank you for the reply. For me it is a barrier for me getting back into it.
I pay $150 a month in California. Some schools are starting off at $180 a month
$200+/month in Australia. Worth every $ though
Come train in Brazil! I pay US$30 per month, 5 to 6 classes/week :)
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The black decal of the vine on the wall?
@@KamaJiuJitsu something right by your left. I looks like some wall textures haha. Great video though 👌
It's hard but it's worth it.. don't give up. It's all a learning process that will take a long time. Its not something that will click over night. Keep drilling and stay consistent. And Don't put yourself down if you keep getting tapped as well.. don't focus too much on defeating the opponent but learning how to anticipate not making the same mistakes..
Injuries are my #1 problem. Our school drills are intense and has caused my knee to give out. If we could do just regular warm-ups, I'd be fine.
my class goes very light in the drilling but i had my first injury as a guys knee went on my hand and it hurts now . Nothing broken. Should be ok by next week
I would try a different school !!!! Dont quit
I agree. BJJ is really hard. It's humbles you fast. Leave the ego at home and don't compare yourself to anyone.
Don't set a black belt goal when you start out. Set a 3 strip white belt in the beginning, get that, then move on to the next goal. Set the goal and don't quit. Take care your personal life and finances, the worst way to quit is when you can't even afford the training.
I think people quit because there's not much reason to come into work with injuries for years that dont lead to anything beneficial (other than personal enjoyment).
Guess u quit Bjj
Money was mine $100 a month is tough on a Walmart paycheck
But now I plan to restart
Im surprised there hasn't been more blues and purples opening their front yards and garages for cheap training to be honest. they'd make a killing...quality control aside.
I quit my gym because the Coach was not helping me. I am going to try a new gym in 4 weeks.
It was the long warm up and 1.5 hr+ classes that drove me away. It got to be a chore, not fun at all.
got injured on my trial lesson..somehow I landed toe first with my weight on the mat during double leg takedowns
You should not get hurt on a double leg. The BJJ classes have zero clue how to teach a take down. I mean zero clue. You need MMA wrestling
BJJ is hard and you need a partner(s) to get better - yet u spend so much time doing "warmups" which are solo exercizes u can do at home. BJJ is not an ego filter either I know plenty of asshats with higher rank that smash anyone lower. The level u need to be at as a smaller person against a larger person is stupid.
Boxing for 18 years & had my 2nd day of BJJ today. Boxing was the toughest sport I ever tried until this week.
Ive done both, I think boxing is just as hard...hard on the body, physically, mentally. However, I think boxing probably has probably more ridged natural selection for athletes/athletic types, than BJJ, which is more about sticking with it. In other words, perhaps boxers would disagree, but people who stick with boxing tend to be more naturally gifted at boxing, whereas bjjers tend to work harder to get where they're at, which is probably why you see 40 year old dorks that are awesome in gi. probably why its better for the average person.
I've hard major medical issues. I'm lucky to walk! With the being said Its jot hard to learn but that's Stamina which I'm working on and it humbles you. That can be the hardest to the ego but not physically. My first week, I was submitted and submitted one person. TBH he let that happen. Last week a new guy came in I let him work while working too and I played it forward. Hopefully he returns as it might be enough for him to say I can do this. He helped me and I tried to help him .
5:52 *give me a year to get this into you* I'm a newbie to BJJ and this is one of my basic goals - to train consistently, keep an open mind, and to suspend any major judgments about BJJ for at least a year - long enough to begin to understand it with muscle memory.
When I started in April this year and my first month felt like giving up but after my 3rd month all sinking in to my memory. Have give it time. I seen beginners comming for whike then don't come back. But am not giving up I start love it lot more now
I see a lot of ego guys quit and disappear. I am only 6 months new and I seem to be at the bottom of every class. i just love it even through i clearly have zero natural abilities in this type of martial art
@@quasar4601 don't worry you get better just don't give up. Take while remember most moves. Once get first black strip tape on your belt you get much better. If I gived uo after my first month I know I would be regretting it but force my self keep going. Some days don't feel like going but force my self and once on mat training feel good. Only number guys see manage stay. Lot see thought it easy then left or thought it pointlesd but shame don't stay on they missing out
Words of wisdom!
I've been training for two months and I'm 45 years old. I can't lie, but I think about quitting although I really don't want to. I want to get better because I'm getting my butt kicked by younger and bigger guys. All the butt kicking at my expense feels discouraging. Especially when rolling with large guys.
Keep up at it bro I was the same way when I first started years ago and got bluebelt ...just started again after 10 years after on n off over the years. I have no fears but Thats likely because I have... been thru the trials of judo/ mma/ b JJ already its like riding a bike 😝. You just have to get your mental state.
Try controlling the pace ...see if you can get a partner to do " flow" drills after class or in open mat and chain from subs/ sweeps/escapes...etc. This is not sparring at all...this format will give you a feel from.transitioning from 1 move to the next so you can feel and see what's happening.
May sound weird but even adding blindfolds will help develop a 3D mental vision where your body with adjust to body sensitivity awareness. It will help you recognize what your partner is doing or will do by his/ her weight distribution or body contact in conjunction with yours.😉
Good advice.
8 years in now. 2 stripe blue belt approaching 40. Can confirm - it's too hard.
Just got my 3-classes-a-week consistency back after a rocky spell, and now my knee's blown out so off the mats for a few weeks. I might never be a black belt, but that's OK. I might make purple someday, but I have to train sensibly to let my aging body recover properly.
Embrace the suck I suppose 🙂.
Meh....lots of things are "hard". Completing an Ironman is "hard". Flashing a 5.14 pitch is "hard". Playing Division 1 Rugby is "hard". Weight lifting is "hard". So there's nothing particularly special about being "hard". People do such things, in large part, specifically because they are "challenging" & "hard".
The problem with too many JJ schools isn't that JJ is "hard".....it's a matter of their "method" of introduction to that difficulty. The #1 reason why so many new students don't continue is too many JJ schools take the "just roll" approach. This is the equivalent of putting 450lbs on the bar and then telling the skinny brand new weight lifter to "just press" it....or taking the first time climber to a 5.14 wall and saying "just climb". It's a terrible way to be introduced to a hard thing......and a surefire method of discouraging folks. Instead you take a first time lifter and put an appropriate weight on the bar and then work on progression. Or you take a first time climber to a 5.2 or 5.3 pitch and work up the difficulty scale from there. But JJ tends to just throw you in the blender and let you decide whether that much difficulty that soon is something you'll be able to continue. Most don't.
Sure, some small percentage persist.....and sure....that's a badge of honor and pride for those who persevere. Taking a hard thing, making to "too hard" from step one is a great method for sifting out only the most intensely dedicated. Which is just another way of saying, paring down your student roster. I respect the hell out of those that can do it that way. And if you love a method that weeds out 80% of people in the first two months then cool. The method provides a selection process you like and desire. On the other hand, if you want better student retention....but your method is discouraging a high percentage of people on day one....people who might otherwise stick around.....then the method needs to be re-examined. If retention is among the goals then it's possible a better ladder of progression is needed. One that meets people where they are and builds them up rather than one that loads the bar well beyond their current capability and simply drops the bar on their chest.
Nobody learns to run a marathon by being placed in the elite wave in Boston and told to run with them for 26.2 miles. Why? Because, like JJ, running a marathon is "hard". Thus there's a need for a reasonable ladder of progression.
Sure JJ is "hard"....but that difficulty is multiplied a hundredfold (and unnecessarily) by the method used to introduce new people to the art. The JJ community can HAVE their cake (e.g. the current method and the well deserved pride they feel in surviving an intense early selection process) or they can EAT it (e.g. have higher retention rates by providing a better "ramp")....but you simply can't have both.
You make excellent points. Thank you for this
Jiu Jitsu is the hardest thing I've ever done. 19 months in and still a white belt. yah it's hard
i love bjj, everything about it, even recovery and injury management, it thought me a lot about myself and my bidy, it gets better in time.
Awesome video
I know my journey is only just taking its first step (Been training since Feb, I’m 45), but I get really frustrated that I know what I want my body to do, but I can’t get it to do it.... Just gotta keep plugging away.
Think for me it’s the way the schedule is and how often the training is. At my school it’s Monday in the gi, Wednesday no gi and open mat on Saturday. Sometimes I’m not able to do Saturdays so I’m doing it twice a week. I want to be able to do this at least 3 times a week maybe 4
mosey69 i go to another school near me for an added Saturday. No mat fee or anything. Talk to your instructor, see who he knows. If he doesnt know anyone just go down and ask. From ky experiences and the experiences of my training partners, most gyms are happy to have people train occassionaly because they add value to everyone else's experience who pay there. Our school is master mansor lineage but even the 10th planet guys saod we can go train anytime. Bjj people tend to be cool like that.
Matthew Van Helden the nearest school to me is about 2 and half hours away. When it starts to snow it’ll take longer. Training somewhere else isn’t an option for me. Unless another academy opens up close to me
mosey69 oh man, that's too bad. I forget no everyone is as fortunate as me to live in the satelite mecca of ny. Maybeyou can start your own little garage gym if you have enough friends interested in it. There are so many legit online resources.
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In fact, I’ll be adding several more videos tonight.up to over 120 now, I think.
I think that tennis and olympic lifting and all that, swimming, marathon running, etc...they are all just as "hard" so to speak, but while it sucks to train hard and lose at all sports, being manhandled on a mat (smothered and choked) is a much more intimate loss than a race, or any other sports, except maybe being knocked out cold in boxing. Almost no one that boxes gets knocked out routinely though...in bjj you get the equivalent of that every time you train.
You mean put to sleep?
A ridiculously insane learning curve that requires an extremely high degree of technical skill, flexibility and athleticism. Not so bad if you're coming from a grappling background but if you haven't done any ground fighting, it's not going to be a good time. Add being a bigger guy and in your 50s and when you get hurt, it impacts your life and work...not fun. Then you're injured and can't train or function at work/life for a week or two, then you have to take time off to recover from injuries. Did that a couple times and decided to hold off because "the juice isn't worth the squeeze."
Only been on the mat a dozen times and the only thing I know what to do is not get 'spazzy' and keep my arms in...but then someone stacks on your for a couple minutes or not quite sink a choke but just crank you your jaw...yah no fun.
Jiu jitsu is part of our upper level curriculum in our krav maga class, because so many fights end up on the ground, so it makes sense to at least be able to counter and defend from the ground.
Come train with us here at Kama. You might come away with a different feeling about Jiu-Jitsu.
Just sayin.
I think that bjj being hard is what makes it so beneficial, not only physically but also mentally.
could you stop playing music in the background every time you make a video LOL its distracting. great video!!!
My 2 Cents (Take it or leave it): I originally, came into BJJ from a stand-up coreography based Japanese style of Ju-jitsu (only kata/No rolling). For me, it's still, that long sought after Martial art, that's very hard to find these days. When my local JJJ school closed down, I thought i'd try some BJJ (11 years ago). And, it was a great BJJ school! The coach's interpretation was very self-defense infused (BJJ/Judo/Small circle Ju-jitsu/Catch Wrestling). We practised some really great shit!............................And, due to covid-My BJJ school of 11 years has also closed its doors. Fortunately, I was able to enroll into a new school. But, it's not quite, what I was expecting? The new school does not use any of the awesome self-defense type stuff that i'm used to. No standing armlocks, no wristlocks, no fingerlocks, and certainly no strikes. It's a little too sporty for my taste, but right now-There isn't that much to choose from................A Gracie or Machado type of school would have been ideal-But, they can be a exorbent in price (in my opinion). And lastly, every pound of weight does count. I speak from personal experience. The thinner you can stand to be, the easier it will be. Thank you for your time.
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I quit going in 91 after 6 months because of the $120 a month cost and classes being only 1 day a week. I wish i could've kept going then but i just couldn't afford it then.
And now?
Kama Jiu-Jitsu yup went back 3 years ago after i got my son started. I'm a Gracie jiu jitsu blue belt now and i don't see myself quitting. Its a marathon not a race. Your videos are awesome, thanks for posting them.
The money is the easy part for me.. The hard part is the applying the drills to real live rolls.
Bully’s and people who think they can fight get exposed in Bjj or people who have egos avoid because they will be found out
🤔 Sounds reasonable.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I know from experience and I mean by that not me being bully but bullies from my town 👍🏿
My problem is I'm much too nice when rolling, and drilling. I don't know why, I can't get past this mental issue. I'm well over 200 lbs, and shy about putting all my weight on my partner. Maybe will enough training that will get beaten out of me, but I'm having problems with it right now.
Hey Lenon,
That's not a problem. You're doing the right thing. You want to be nice when you're drilling. I've been training for 8 years and I can tell you the number of times a drilling partner has kicked my leg hard as sh*t to force a sweep is ridiculously high. Some guys overforce everything and it's annoying as hell, but there was a time I used to be like that too so I get it. It's completely unnecessary though. Good jiu jitsu players can do the technique whether it's drilling or rolling and make it look effortless and actually use very little strength to force the technique whether it's a submission, guard pass, sweep, or transition from one position to another.
I think you should continue to learn as many techniques as you can and continue to drill nicely. If you want to be meaner during rolls, thats fine, but you having a nice mentallity during rolls isn't a bad thing either. However, I don't think you should be shy about putting your weight on your partner.
yeah, i somewhat agree. every once in a while we have a student who is ultra aggressive. i actually don't mind that and tell my other students to not gripe about it. i need to always defend myself, and those types of people present two different "learning opportunities." First, a lesson for me to always keep my guard up. Second, for the student who quickly learns that being like that against a skilled opponent will only end up him paying for it in the end when that skilled opponent climbs all over him and smashes him on the way to submitting him.
the key Lenon, is to USE YOUR WEIGHT but NOT your power. your training partners need to learn how to get used to the pressure and your using it forces them to learn to deal with it (since not everyone is as nice as you) while training you on USING IT.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I agree, and that's what I was getting at. I'm always catching myself supporting my own weight with a knee or an elbow when I could be pressuring my opponent more. I'm not sure why I have this particular aversion. Like I said, the best I can hope for is to conqueror it with more training.
"kind" big guys are ALL like that. you've learned you're bigger/more powerful than the average person and have learned to be gentle. that's good. you have a "volume knob." just be sure to turn it up sometimes.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I'm working on exactly what you said. I'm trying to consciously focus on putting pressure on my partner when I'm rolling or drilling, and everything else, even technique, is secondary to that. Technique can come once I stop letting people easily escape side control, or knee on belly because I'm not pressuring them.
At 45 3 stripe blue. I have blue flu. Constantly. But i go 2 to 3 times a week. Ill butt judo for jui jitsu.
BJJ is ridiculously hard... but.. if you just stick there long enough... 3 to 6 months... maybe... eventually you'll learn enough to kick the ass of whoever's new walking on the mats for their first time... and if you stay consistent, you'll ALWAYS beat them because you're learning at about the same pace.
BJJ is a lot of fun when you realize you don't need to be a blue belt to tap people.
Thanks for the video...💯🔥😤
Well jiu jitsu hard because it's challenging,,addicting and makes you want to learn more more and more..
simply put it demands too much. People have work, college, friends, family and other things going on in their lives. JJ demands a minimum of 3 to 5 training sessions per week, competition etc. its a hobby for most people .They cant spend over 10 hours per week, not including travel on a hobby. Amateur football players (soccer) have the summer off, they have the Christmas period off and when they play they train twice a week and compete once. Its a good hobby that people can fit into their lives. Not everyone can commit to €100 per month basic training fee and 40 to 80 hours per month continuously for 10 years to get to the early stages of mastery. Even comitted people sometimes walk away in the blue to brown belt period to live their lives.
All true.
BJJ is like Chemistry !! Its damn hard and many never get it. I think I may never get it as there are so many damn pieces moving and my brain seems to shut off a lot. I wont quit
@@quasar4601 you right. Some moves manage only remember then when review moves before training come back my mind. Moves on floor my weakest for remembering
no lie, i know a guy who is doing BJJ, Judo and Krav....hes single and about 30, about to get hired by the local police. i figure he must be loaded and have lots of free time.
I assume you're aware now, if you weren't then, on how Gracie University teaches. They seem to have cracked the code on how to keep BJJ students coming back. How do you feel about their approach?
It’s a good one. Different from ours, but all good.
Nothing about not fitting in with training partners? Social stuff can be difficult for some. 😓
Perspective is key, first of all I am just going to say I am shit at jiu-jitsu. But I have not found it "hard" you just have to show up try to emulate what the trainer is doing to the best of you ability and then repeat that. I don't find it hard because you can't fail If you keep showing up you are succeeding. There is no exam that will kick you out of the gym.
For me studying at university is hard, It's not enough to just show up. I am not trying to say university is harder then BJJ. Only that it depends on the person. For me I think that's the fact. For another person they might feel the opposite.
If not for 2 great coaches who would not let me quit I would not now be a purple belt who trains 5× a week.
I have done bjj and tennis and I have learned more arm bars and x chokes in tennis way more than in bjj😂
Tennis can definitely be cardio intense, but its not a contact sport.
Unless he’s always aiming to hit you!
exactly haha!
Yes, especially singles tennis at the high levels. Matches can go non-stop for 4 or more hours.
I was a good 4.5 tennis player and its hard as hell but BJJ with the contact and complexity is much harder for me. I maybe a white belt for life but i will be the best damn white belt I can be
It's definitely hard... I came from boxing and kickboxing for more than ten years but still consider BJJ being a more challenging and strenuous sport/art than kickboxing.
But unlike most BJJ guys ( you actually know how to strike lol). I would recommend you do some basic MMA classes to learn the take down game. BJJ sucks in take downs. Its the worst
I only had 3-4 years of Muay Thai and KRAV but my striking is better than what I have seen from most BJJ guys. I am learning Wrestling now
Cost is brutal. 189/month for me. Its the only reason i consider quitting
Is there anything other than BJJ that benefits you less that you pay more on per month? 🤔
@@KamaJiuJitsu BJJ is my only optional expense monthly
I was in your position while I was in college. I spent almost all my work money on group classes and privates. In retrospect, I’m so happy I didn’t worry about the $$ and just trained all I could.
May not be the same for you.
Also billy badass in a dojo are awful they usually turn people away, I remember when I took Judo for the first time Mr Billy badass black belt wanted to see "what I had" so tries to take me down hard, mind you this was my first time and he wanted to hurt me, instead of landing the way he wanted me to on the mat I spider monkey his ass bye rolling over his head as I was going down then just about landing on top of him but I turned around right before he hit the mat and choked him out all in one motion little did he know I took other martial arts. His excuse was he won't underestimate me next time I said there wouldn't be a next time on the street, so he really never bothered me after that, but they tend to keep on picking on new students.
Thats pretty rare for Judo, which tends to be very formal, and exceptional in what it allows/doesnt allow for white belts. was this a regular paying club? a non profit or college judo club? Judo is also highly regulated and if that was reported he would possibly be sanctioned. never heard of that in judo.
BJJ is fun at the White/Blue level then it becomes like Quantum Physics. Its too much higher brain thinking ... Most of us ( including me) cannot get past the blue level as my brain cannot think like that in such fast time
jiu-jitsu is left brained from start through blue. once purple, it becomes more right brained.
allegedly.
That wasn't my experience with jiu-jitsu I'm 30 yrs I never did anything like that (ground fighting )grappling like that and I have 5 years in kuryu bujutsu and Ju-jutsu.
So i know how to throw and to strike and kick we do that in Ju-jutsu and some stand up grappling if we can called it that and I went to Brazilian jiu-jitsu school and the first day we did what I already knew do zempo kaiten, Ukemi gata , etc but in the end it came the roll part and I said what I have to do ? And the master said try to submit or not be submit I want to see your natural jiu-jitsu or something. .. and I thought but I don't know nothing of this but OK and we roll but every time I did a technique it wasn't valid for its was forbidden ... I couldn't do much of my Ju-jutsu techniques and with out that I felt lost ... I was on top and I didn't know what to do. .. on the bottom also I had chances to control the jiu-jitsu partner but the master step in and said you can't do that in jiu-jitsu. .. and I start to get frustrated the 2 day came and the same in the end roll again , and I was there with no idea on what to do so I did what I know Ju-jutsu and he didn't let me do it ...
So I learn 1 or 2 techniques per class but then in the roll those 2 techniques weren't applicable because I had to know more to put the partner in a stance were I could do those 2 techniques, so jiu-jitsu frustrated me a lot specially the way they teach. .. because a person with one month or less doesn't know nothing to roll so after a while of being destroyed a person gets frustrated and most live jiu-jitsu expecially people that came from stand up arts like my self ... we do ground fighting too in Ju-jutsu and all that but the way we do it and the techniques that we use are must of them not allowed in jiu-jitsu the same for karate guys , Taekwondo guys , kickboxing guys , I think it's because it's so different and we those rules of tournament in the dojo it makes it more difficult for us that go for the self-defense part and not so much for the sport part ...
I think that we the bigeners should take a good 2 or 3 months only learning the Densho for white belts learning the techniques are training them all the way in class with no roll , and then when the roll part came we should go easy to feel the drills and do the techniques properly and not like I saw every one roll full velocity and force doing things fast and wrong. I saw all these things. .. only blue belts and higher showed that they know jiu-jitsu and playing with it all the white belts are doing things without a clue what they are doing ..
I thing that we pass to roll to fast , with no idea of how things work ..
In any other martial art it's not like that , we don't go randori or kumite in the bigening we need to understand things first. ..
And this is why must people that came from other arts and never had train like that gets frustrated and live after a month or two ...
I do love grappling and jiu-jitsu but I don't understand the mechanics of it just yet ...
Gracies method learn you the basic after that you decide if you wanna roll and continue
@@oneguy7202 yes i understand you but what we see in the Gracie videos , it's not the reality of training at must Bjj schools , self-defense doesn't exist in must it's basically competition techniques that we learn all its about competition, and roll ...
I Wich they unify Bjj with one program for all schools starting with self-defense and street scenarios and one curriculum for all , and then you decide Wich way you want to go ...
And not this only sportive way that forces you to compete if you wanna graduate. ... at least here in europe is like that ... and most schools in Brazil are like that also ...
@@luisphilipesilva I understand that you saying, recently I went to completion bjj gym in my area and isn't that I expect, bad teacher dirty puzzle mats and gym, a lot people try things that see in you tube, and it was only one class(advance, amateurs even kids)
Injuries and disabilities! If the school you go to can't work around them and shape your BJJ around those issues then seek new teachers. They should be able to make BJJ work for you based on whatever your physical limits are. It's not all on the students....
Yeah. I'm six months in. I'm training three times a week (1hr / class) and I'm still getting smashed during rolls 100% of the time. I'm not really sure what to do with that.
Sean Ochoa Be patient . Six months isn’t very long. Don’t get caught up in winning. Work on escapes and defense and the less you tap the more you should consider that winning.
are you still the FNG (f'ing new guy)? are beginners newer than you smashing you, too?
/shrug +Kama Jiu-Jitsu I'm not sure. It could be that I'm over-thinking the sparring aspect of my training. Most times I'm trying to figure out my next move while my sparring partner is already moving.
Take a “step back” in your training and focus instead on your defense and getting out of all the bad positions. Forget about tapping anyone. Focus only on not being beaten; becoming in-defeatable.
I can relate to you !!! I have trained less than you but I am taking private lessons and I still lose every match. I dont get tapped as much as I used to be I seem to get my guard smashed and stuck in Side and Scarf. I have zero talent for bJJ but I swear I love it. i dont know why i love it but I wont quit. I wont quit
It’s not meant to be easy. It’s self defence
My problem has been I SUCK !! Its just so technical for me but I shall not give up !! I am just not used to doing so much thinking that my brain gets dizzy. Being usually the smaller guy i am often on the bottom and having a hard time pulling off Triangles and Arm bars and I get passed and stuck
Keep at it!
@@KamaJiuJitsu , I have been to 60 classes but i feel that I have ZERO natural talent at it . I feel like my "brain wattage" is my main problem and I am skinny and uncoordinated. I am not QUITTING and I am doing no-gi. I am taking privates now. I just find when I roll that my brain cannot keep up with my body. As soon as I try to figure it out .. my opp has already moved on and its too late
How can I prepare for my 1st Bjj training ? Should I go running trying to hit 3 miles and do ab-workouts, or how can I prepare myself the best ?
Just get yourself to class!
I’m getting my ass kicked man. About to limp into my shower after this shit i’m taking. see y’all tomorrow. Ffs
In my opinion, I think many guy quit because of unfair practices in Gracie run schools. I've played at two Gracie schools and found both would sandbag players to get wins in tournaments and then brag about the skill level of their guys. We had blue belts that would regularly tap brown belts in class but would not get promoted. I come from a Judo background with over 45 years' experience and I'm San dan. I wanted to try JJ because I thought it would be easier on my body. It wasn't. LOL.. JJ was just as hard on the body as Judo but I still stayed with it for almost a year. I really didn't like the way they would film matches to show to others and say see this? our guys are better than the rest. They used to video my matches at the gym often...and I know they did it so they could say look at us, we beat the Judo guy although they never said it out loud. But the reason I left was the teacher let me play with a brown belt one day that would regularly tap me on the ground. From a standing position I could easily throw him which he didn't like so he started to jump into guard. I got wise and would just retreat when he would do that. Then the teacher stopped us after I threw the guy around and would not let me play standup with his guys anymore. I asked why and he told me it was his class and he makes the rules... I left a long with 4 other guys and joined another school ran by an American and I really liked it... My problem was I had a real hard time playing guys that were say purple or brown belt and they would tap me. My ego couldn't take it even though I recognized it was a different style i was playing. Anyway, I really wish I would have started JJ earlier in my life, I think I would have been good at it. For reference, I found that coming to JJ from Judo is not a hard transition and from the start I would say I was on par with most of the blue belts from day 1, and by the end of a few months I could hang with most of the purple belts. I couldn't beat them, but I could hold my own. I tapped MANY blue belts in my time and several purple belts. I even got one brown belt, but he was MUCH smaller than myself. I never even came close to tapping a BB but I never had an issue throwing JJ blackbelts when they would play standup with me. Which wasn't often. Overall, I wish I would have started BJJ earlier...I really enjoyed it...
I think “because it’s too hard” is just the reason people that stay tell themselves.
Bjj is one of the easier martial arts, compared to boxing or Muay Thai. One of the reasons why most people leave is because of things like spider guard, lapel guard, etc. These things instantly make it known that bjj is not like how Joe Rogan describes it. In fact it’s a niche art that won’t always translate over to self defence. Regarding number of black/coral belts, there’s also the amount of politics + family/clique ties that result in someone ending up as a black/coral belt.
@@td4yd154 I 100 percent disagree with this. Boxing and Muay Thai are way easier to learn BJJ. BJJ has soo many techniques to remember compared to both boxing and Muay Thai
i only want to train with the ladies...... is that sexist? should I approach my sensei about it?
Time and money my friend
Its not hard, its just long and expensive. I'd say mma is way harder in my experience.
Injured at trial lesson by careless macho blue belt.
not good.
Most guys who do BJJ are very careful but I noticed every gym always has 1-2 giant spazzes that injury folks. My last gym has this 275 pound freak who would break things in people and not even know it.
I asked myself why the f am I going to class to get smashed and injured. Better to get beaten in class than on the street.
I have at my school tried to find a happy medium between the hard old school way and the politically correct soft BJJ is for everyone puppies and rainbows approach. They both have their pros and cons. Pros to old school: People actually learn and become proficient at real GJJ. Cons: Many if not most people drop out. About 90-95%. Pros to new PC way: Lots of students. You make bank. Cons to new school: No one really ever gets very good at GJJ there. Its more a fashion statement. There are a few exceptions but this is it for the most part. I guess the ideal would be to have a GJJ 101 class and a GJJ 201 class.
It’s a numbers game. The more you get to try it, the more likely you are to create the next superstar.
In every school I have been to its always the same. Class size will build up to a good number and maybe 6-8 months later will peel back down to a few core members. IDK why exactly. Maybe because its hard and ppl are lazy. But I'd say to retain 20 ppl you need probably 100 members. At least this is what I have seen in my state. It could be different elsewhere.
I would ask, then, who is BJJ or other martial arts for? The 5%, athletic, tough guys? Or people who are smaller, and weaker? We need the no-nonsense, tough individuals to push the boundaries. But we also need average Joes, who need self defense the most. Bjj should be for everyone.
I think the reality is that pretty much everyone could def. use some jiu-jitsu. The main problem I think is that most ppl don't stay with it long term because it is hard work. Also you can't always train everyone the same. I cannot teach the 22 year old 230 lb college wrestler the same way I teach the 13 year old 100 lb girl. ( I have both of these in class)
You can run your school any way you want. Can develop hardcore old school style fighters, or you can cater to the masses. Whatever floats your boat.
Yeah coming from judo BJJ seams easy
Judo is very hard..hard on the body!
My kids train in jiu jitsu, judo, wrestling and kick boxing. Their order of difficulty (hardest to easiest) is: wrestling, judo, jiu jitsu , kick boxing. They are often under extreme mental and physical stress in wrestling, sometimes physical stress or pain in judo. They are all smiles in jiu jitsu and kickboxing......love to roll and spar. My observations. Every kid in America should wrestle as a youth IMHO.
This freaking music was so distracting.
I just started bjj and pulled my hamstring resisting a larger appointed will be heading back to gym after corona but I am a little scared it could happen again any tips
Expect injuries. Fact of BJJ life.
rolling is hard. just letting people roll wihout instruction is tough. instructors should walk around & coach students on what they are doing wrong. cold weather, distance to gym are factors, injuries, dick rolling partners suck too. but you can quite other tough sports like tennis, running, etc....its the time commitment at the end of the day. its not anything special about bjj that people quit it. people quit all kinds of activities. Its a great workout, I have to force myself to go there. I think community would be helpful.....everyone should be nicer and encourage you to come. I'm not listening to this guy btw....not sure what his points are hahaaaaaa
if you do as I ask.......mah mah mah as conor woud say
Conor should do as I ask (if he were to ever be my student). His grappling sucks, as Nate Diaz and Khabib showed the entire world.
Its hard until you get some matt time and get some fitness. You will get fit quick and lose a lot of weight.
But you will be humbled by a 16 year old kid.
I guarantee you will tap tap tap
I need to learn bjj someday... And judo... Maybe judo first... But definetly both...
@mralex070 well, judo works more on their feet... As a striker, being able to throw someone WITHOUT going to the ground with them is a better option for self defense... I just throw, stomp, run...
@mralex070 i had more fights that i can remember, living in a bad neighborhood of a third world country for most of my life... The only 4 or 5 times i ended up on the floor where in sparring or in dumb fights that were little more than playful... Of all the timws i got someone to the ground, it was with some kind of overhead throwand always ended up in a lock a choke or a ground and pound with me on top... And again almost always on sparring... If not... I would just drop the oponent by a punch, a kick or a throw... And just run away... So... In my experience 0% of real fights end on the ground... It is true that training judo is more dangerous than bjj because of the throws... But for self defense, throws beat takedowns, takedowns beat chokes, chokes beat locks, locks beats pins and pins are almost useless(they work for securoty guards and others who need to restraint a person instead of fighting them, and even more if they have numbers against said person)
For that reason, as a striker who needs to work in a way to drop oponents fast without going down with them, throws are the best option for me... Im not going to compete in mma, but if i have a street fight, i would rather throw someone to the ground and run, than roll on broken glass, right?
@mralex070 exactly! Im a very complete striker... I have great kicks and great elbows... My punches are above average but not my strong point... Kneed im not very good at... But if i am close enough to knee someone, im probably in a clinch already... And ive seen many people doing shoulder throws from clinch in street fights and it usually meams the fight is over already... I still want to learn both bjj and judo... Because those are the 2 things i need to work on the most... Ground game and throws...
I would just pick bJJ over judo. Judo is extremely hard on the body
@@quasar4601 well, same with muay thai... But i wouldnt pick point style karate over muay thai for self defense, right? Bjj is great for self defense once things went really wrong... But before that, its not that good... If you are already on the ground you are in a bad situation... But if you can trip and throw other people without going down you can run away...
Listening to your talk i feel even your explanations are too complex. Being part of the martial arts since the 70.s the truth is no one really cares about people leaving there training the focus is always on the black belts even today. But here we have BJJ who are concerned which is about time really.The reasons are simple, the solutions could be easy but the fault it seems is always the student not the instructor nor the training.Adult training is getting watered done to the point of being the same training as the children maybe fhats the solution just train children.
my explanations are too complex, huh?
Bjj is expensive that's all.
Nothing of value is cheap.
Because they didn't find a girlfriend in class.
There are better places to find one.
It is too hard ....you got to be kidding ---- I started BJJ at 65 and now at 69 and a purple belt and roll with 2 or 3 Black Belts at school do you know how it feels when you 3th roll is with a Black Belt ,that beats you by 60lbs and your still not tapping ......
Cool story bro...
Judo is harder.
Delusional
Great video
Thanks!
@@KamaJiuJitsu You're welcome!