Thank you again for such an amazing shooting day and for being such a cool and knowledgeable guy. I genuinely enjoyed getting to hang out for the afternoon. Oh, and thanks for being such a great sport about how often this shoot was on and then off and then on and then off 😂 It was a pleasure to get to meet you.
"...the optics of chasing Taylor Swift off stage while wearing THAT arm band..." I about had a spit take on the imagery provided in this segment. Well, done!
I have a confession, I love the Kia Forte. When I was 17 I bought a 2 year old Kia Forte with less than 40k miles for dirt cheap. That car gave me my love for working on cars. Everything was relatively easy to work on, I learned all of the basics. Now I'm a 25 year old mechanic working for Mercedes and theres a Kia Forte5 SX in my driveway. I know I've got trash taste, but man, my Forte's have both given me good memories.
No. That's awesome! Don't let anyone tell you that your love for your car is invalid. It gave you so many great memories. I still drive around my hail damaged Volt because of the memories I have with her, and because I don't have to buy gas often. It was your first car, and all that matters is that YOU love it. Who cares what others think?
I’d love to hear an RCR deep dive on CVTs and how the industry basically broke both their knees before they even started. CVTs are fine transmissions, but the auto makers screwed them over twice. One, CVTs are NOT “sealed transmissions,” they do still need to be serviced. Draining and replacing the fluid takes about as long as an oil change. So long as you change the fluid every 35k or so, they’ll keep on keeping on for hundreds of thousands of miles. Don’t change the fluid and you might be fortunate to get to 100k. Two, all CVTs have false gear changes because that’s what the customer is used to. But that’s not the proper efficient way to run one. The whole point of a CVT is that it’s self-optimizing for the best torque conversion at a given throttle. But that makes the engine “stick in gear” by staying at one rev speed, and people didn’t like that. So they made the CVT less efficient and less powerful just for the sound.
Not directly related to the industry but also something against them, the FIA banned them in F1 so they’d never get the levels of development money that other transmissions received.
I see the move to CVTs across many manufacturers as a purely cost-cutting move. No one seems to like or want them, but that’s what we’re getting more and more. The same is true in the motorcycling world with parallel twins. They’re cheaper to make, so more and more new bikes are getting them instead of inline 4s and v-twins. They make sense in some bikes, but they aren’t loved by most riders.
@@timothycoyne5874 "Nobody wants them" if you only go by TH-cam car channel comments. In the real world, most people are fine. It's always some 18 year-old keyboard warrior arueing with people online about how "they don't want to drive an appliance" and about "soul" etc etc etc. CVT's are like everything else Americans touch, they turned it into a needless and wasteful culture war thing.
@@timothycoyne5874I thought CVTs were a fuel efficiency thing and are actually more expensive than a normal auto. Personally I’m from Europe and I learned to drive with only manual transmissions and have only driven a handful of normal auto transmissions and I hated all of them - they always seems to change gears at the wrong time. I even managed to stall a Volvo S60 auto at a red light somehow?? But now I have a CVT family car and it’s fine. Yeah it’s not fast but I’m never annoyed by it. Press pedal and it goes
@@wan3416The problem are owners who cut corners by not maintaining them properly. I've seen quite a few blown Hyundai/Kia engines, and 9 times out of 10 the cause of death was improper maintenance, usually extended oil intervals. The only exception were the few remaining Theta engines with manufacturing defects, but even they are getting replaced or rebuilt, and seem to be US-specific.
There is no way to engineer a cars mechanicals to last just past the warranty. That’s a myth created by people who don’t like to service their vehicles regularly. If you service the vehicle regularly the mechanicals should last beyond 100,000 miles. The proof is the cars that have lasted beyond that. The reality is the people who traditionally bought Kia products weren’t the type to regularly service their vehicles hence the warranty.
@@stormix5755 anything over a 3 year loan on a car is absurd to me. I’m seeing 72 month loans now and I couldn’t imagine having a payment still on a 5 year old vehicle
You're absolutely right. I guess the idea is that the type of person who'd want a Civic SI might not be dissuaded from it by a $5500 premium. But the more I think about it, the dumber that rationale is. Because unless you have parents with deep pockets who don't mind making those payments, I feel like even the most reckless twentysomethint would still be thrown off by $5500. It's one of those times where I wish I could have gone back and edited.
100% Their old logo was a copy of fords (in the sense that it’s the BRAND name inside an oval) and Hyundais was a copy of Hondas (again, not exact but close)
1:47 "Is this what's hot in the streets?" Definitely not--I tested a 2022 BRZ once, they handed me the keys, said "don't go too far with it", and sent me on my way. By myself. A credit check for a test drive is nuts.
I test drove an 89 probe gt once a few yearsago, they made me leave my license with them as collateral. Which sucked because the car died a mile down the road and I had to walk across the bad part of town just to fetch my damn id.
Over the weekend I went to a rural Ford dealership and they just handed me the keys to a new Mustang GT with the 6 speed manual and just said go have fun, no papers signed or anything.
I am in my mid 40's and have a good job. I can easily buy an entry-level luxury car and I still chose to buy a 2023 Forte Gt2 over the new Integra that I actually went out to buy. The reason I chose the Forte was because it really was not that much different in regards to performance than the Integra. I actually prefer the dual-clutch transmission over the CVT in the Integra, it had a better-sounding stereo than the Integra and it also had cooled seats. The interior of the Integra felt slightly better and it was also quieter, but I only drive a few miles to work each day and nothing on the highway, so I would rarely take advantage of that feature. The main thing that sold me was when I actually thought about it, it was $10,000 cheaper than a comparable Integra, but it did not feel like it was $10,000 less expensive. I will keep it for a few years and move on to something else, but after a year of ownership and 12,000 miles, I actually still love the car which is very unlike me. I usually get bored with them quickly. But this car reminds me of a time when cars were more fun with the torque steer and slight turbo lag. The drivetrain reminds me of a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T when they were good and turbocharged in the late 90's. In comparison to the Civic Si, the Forte GT is the mid-40-year-old compared to the 20-something Civic. The interior of the Civic Si is so basic feeling, it only comes in a manual, only has red cloth seats that also do not match the black rear seats, no heated or ventilated seats, no highway driving assist, no remote start. There are just tradeoffs that aren't worth it in my opinion even if I think that it is more fun in certain situations.
Bro I'm with you I didn't like his review at all apparently he hasn't checked the car reviews lately here in the USA the Kia Forte GT has been the best car in its price the last 3 years compared against Honda civic, VW GTI and even Mazda 3 and Toyota Corolla , not mentioning the Type Rs or the GRs those are different monster , also these Kia Forte GT are very easy to modify a lot of aftermarket parts in the market for this car , I own a 2023 Kia Forte GT2 😎🔥 and I have done a few modifications to my car and let me tell you it feels like a different car more responsive and faster than before I added more HP lower the suspension upgrade sway bars 🍻 oh boy what a machine 😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉 it's 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@maoinc13 exactly. I see people raving over the new Chevy Trax and I’m just like, but if you aren’t going to get all wheel drive, a Forte is better than a Trax in every aspect and costs the same with way more equipment, way better performance, warranty, and interior build quality. It’s no comparison.
The price point was also a huge factor for me. I was cross shopping this and the Honda Civic Si and this just checked all the boxes for way less money and better % APR than the Si. Overall, it was $200 less per month, thousands less in OTD price, and just as reliable (with the manual transmission option, which I got as well). Easy to mod as well, I have a few videos on how to. Sure, its not as driver focused as the Si, but at the end of the day, I saved thousands of dollars on purchase price and APR. Overall, best bang for the buck.
@@maoinc13 I agree with you, his review was biased from the get go and not a real review. I own a 23 Forte GT and love the car. I owned a 2008 Hyundai Elantra that was used when I got it, and never had one problem with the car, that was my decision to look at the Kia when getting a new car, I also looked at Toyota, have owned 3 over the years, Nissan, Honda, but for the money, this car has every option available option and not one problem. Plus, you see so many Kia and Hyundai on the roads now, they must not be as bad as he claims the brand is.
As a '23 Forte GT owner myself, I feel Roman's sentiment. I bought mine because I needed a dull, predictable, unexciting vehicle with which I could drive to work three days a week. My Roadmaster wagon and my Suzuki Burgman provide me with the automotive self-actualization they've mentioned before; the Forte is a plain white Van Heusen dress shirt. Also the first car I've ever owned that gets XM radio.
I have a 2011 Outback for that purpose. It's less a white Van Heusen and more, like, a purple one with the stainblocker treatment paired with a tie that has raccoons and garbage cans on it. Socially acceptable low-level quirkiness. Like a white girl secretly loving serial killer podcasts, but being really open about it because she knows all the other white girls also love serial killer podcasts. And they just pretend it's weird and quirky in spite of its relative normalcy and blandness. The veneer of kink and deviance is enough in most cases. But in the end of the day, alternative still implies its own kind of normalcy and adherence. If I have to get weird, I have the CB550 and the Tempest.
@@OffTrackProductions Base model Corolla's and Civics were getting "market adjustments" of $3-5k in my area despite the fact that buyers want trucks and SUV's, not sedans. I was unwilling to buy Nissan, Mitsubishi, or domestic. My state job and union also gave me $1,500.00 off the sales price for that particular dealership, plus the cash discount I already got. I don't keep my commuter cars for more than five years anyway - the long-term issues will be someone else's problem.
@@OffTrackProductions My 2 KIAs have been great. 300,000 miles between them without any trouble. My Toyota however, engine took a dirt nap at 70k miles. None are perfect. Even Toyota has had bad vehicles. I had one
I got the same model, just with a 6 speed manual transmission. Had it for about a year now and really hadn't have any issues with it so far. I personally like it. Good on gas, heated seats, good acceleration, and all the bells and whistles. Has about 8000 miles on it now. Wanting to keep it for about 5 years or so. Was debating between this or the Civic Si and decided to pull the trigger on this, thanks to the markups for the Si.
I bought a '22 Civic Si that I owned for a year before it was totaled and bought a '23 Forte GT now. The kia is the far better car. Way more features that honda just didn't include, and the infotainment is sooo much faster in the kia.
This is the best Roman review yet - it feels like he is really coming into his own with the goofier-styled reviews and getting more comfortable being himself. Keep it up!
Thank you! I do feel like I'm gradually getting my comfortable in developing my own style that is separate from Brian's while still being RCR. Oddly, while going over some old scripts in the archive, I forgot how many of the really twisted lines were mine. So maybe this presentation style always existed in me and I'm just finding a way to bring it out. 😅
As an owner of a GT forte since 2020, I can say that this car has been a true friend to me. It’s a step up from the 2nd gen (owned a 2015 for about 5 years), the acceleration and sport mode is fun, and it has the room and tech that makes it comfortable. My only complaint is that cosmetically, it’s been a nightmare (paint and clear coat just can not survive). This car was a great introduction to the car world for me (mainly because of the turbo, never had one and it excited me) and I’m grateful for it. Lol I’m happy to see you guys finally review it and I wasn’t disappointed!
I've always liked Roman's reviews ever since he did the RCR story about Lee Iacocca. He's got a really smooth voice that makes the videos easy to listen to. Keep it up, man!
Thank you! I don't always like my voice (especially when I have to listen to it for hours on end while editing 😅), so it means a lot to read such kind words.
I think its a nice contrast to mr regular yelling about hot d*cks and all that. His jokes are hilarious, but it is nice to have a more calm episode every so often
I'll just let everyone know...this Kia Forte is a reskinned/rebadged (KIA is Hyundai and Hyundai is KIA) 6th gen Hyundai Elantra Sport, its the same platform, drivetrain, everything...which is the same drivetrain out of the first generation Veloster Turbo...this drivetrain has been around for 10 years and this platform is 7 years old (first year being the model year 2017 for the ES). Its a great car, I have an 2018 Elantra Sport with a 6MT, tons of aftermarket support for upgrades and mods. The Elantra Sports are are still out on the road, so these will last just as long
No the 1.6T on the Forte is not the same 1.6T on the Elantra sport. This was something I believed for a long time but I got corrected real quick on the forums plus the forte gt is actually faster than the Elantra sport and the n line. Slightly not a lot but noticeable. At least at stock. But everyone is running jb4 on all those engines now
@@VerryJerry90 the N-Line does use a 1.6L Smartstream Turbo gdi engine but the wiki even says the Forte has a 1.6L Gamma II T-GDI that I know my AD generation Elantra Sport has...so whats the difference? Minor update to the internals/turbo?
@@Matkovic99 I think it’s the turbo that has slight changes. I know the smartstream is newer but the gamma ll is supposedly time and tested. Smartstream has port and direct injection and they’re a bit better at emissions and mpg. Gamma ll only has direct injection
@@VerryJerry90 ok for sure, that makes sense because even the turbo in my Elantra is diff in size and other stuff than both the first and 2nd gen veloster turbo. Ive seen pictures of the 3 together they're all definitely different lol. But yeah like you said the Gamma is pretty time and tested I dont think theyre gonna stop using the basic design of this engine for a while (hopefully)
I just got a 2023 GT 6-speed manual it's the 8th Kia my family has owned. My mom still is driving her 2011 Sorrento and we have never spent a dollar repairing anything that went wrong before 150,000 miles and even then it was minor
As someone who is new to the workforce and is absolutely under their parent’s health insurance and owns a 2023 Kia Forte, i feel incredibly target. Side note, I love my Kia forte. I also have a 2012 Sorento with a 3.5 as well that has 220k miles on it.
My sister in law's 2022 Sorento has been in for warranty repairs 3 times now. It has not been reliable but the customer service has been decent. Kia even covered a couple of her payments.
I'm not sure why but the Sorento has been uniquely bad in the lineup. C&D struggled just as much with theirs. They really screwed something up with that car.
My wife's 2022 Sorento has been perfectly fine at least 3 trips 600 miles round trip, and a cross country trip totaling around 2000 miles, not a single thing wrong with it, drove great, and honestly haven't been impressed with a vehicle as much as that one
I actually think the new Kia logo is a big improvement. The old one was just about as boring as you could possibly get. The new one is very stylized but since it's just 3 letters, it isn't overdone. The thing is, unlike most brands (of any market, not just vehicles) that change their logo are trying to give the impression of "look how different we are!" to shake off old impressions, but Kia is legitimately actually different than they used to be, for better or worse.
yeah i like the logo. when i first saw a car with that badge it made me do a double-take - "what the hell kinda car is that?" i wondered. when i realized it was a KIA i was genuinely impressed, because the cars finally look _good_ , hell some are even _strikingly_ good looking, despite whatever may lie underneath.
I took a leap of faith in 2019 and bought a GT brand new with like 40 miles on it. Back before covid they couldn't move these things as fast as they wanted so they were selling them for 3-4000 off sticker. I'm not kidding. My Orange manual sunroof equipped GT with brand new michelin pilot sport 4 tires was 23000 sticker and my total loan was 19000 with 500 down. Was a great deal at the time, even came with some free oil changes. The reason I bought it was because I had previously owned the first gen Veloster turbo, and that car was quite fun in the twisties. The new Forte GT did not disappoint, at all really. Especially with the pilot sport 4s. I put 30000 miles on the car without a hiccup before covid hit and I lost my job at the time, ended up selling the car to carvana as they were wanting to pay me more than I owed on the car. Long sotry short, its a decent car if you get the manual. I dont think this review was very fair to kias first good eco box.
Twenty grand for Kia compact? ))) With no automatic transmission? It's not a good deal at all. You got ripped off. I wouldn't even pay sixteen for it. They just overpriced these cars to fool people like you into thinking you've got a good deal.
@@johndong752424K is a huge bargain, especially with premium features such as manual transmission. Or you can pay 40K for a Civic if you want the manual trans
My dad had a 2013 Hyundai Elantra. Engine was ticking around 90k, dealership told him it was normal, nothing to worry about. Right after 100k (when the warranty ends) the engine blew...
Yeah Hyundai and kia are a lot better than they used to be that doesn't make them good unfortunately my friends Elantra n blew its engine at 25k recently
As someone who grew up driving hoop-d's and spent my 20s in a series of cars declining in quality (honda Fit, hyundai elantra,to a chevy Cobalt, to a ford escape), my forte GT has been a revelation for me. I test drove a nissan, a honda, and a few others. Kia was my last choice. I live in milwaukee where owning a kia is like wearing cement shoes to a swim meet. But the interior, the sound of the car, the responsive handling, and the amount of bells and whistles you got for less than literally every other car in its class. The car itself isnt exceptional, its just "good", but its good for less than any other just "good" cars i saw available. I love it. Ive driven it 9000 miles since may '23 and i am still in love with the car.
As the owner of a 23 6MT Forte GT, I genuinely love the car for what it is. I've owned it about 4 months, have put 5k miles on it, and it's been a great car so far. I originally looked at a new Civic SI but with the markups that every single ome of them had, I just couldn't justify the price. I managed to get the Forte for MSRP and OTD was right around $26.5k, which was $10k less than any Civic SI within the surrounding few states. I know its not the best performance car whatsoever, but for a little manual daily, its perfect for me🖤
The front fascia of the Forte looks like it’s fed up with seeing all the SUVs people are buying. I love it. Also, seeing the entire opening title crawl from Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace in that list was the icing on the cake.
I think the biggest thing is to some people it's confusing to read, to some it looks like a K and then a backwards N instead of KIA --so is the result of making the badge continuous to keep badge costs lower than making individual letters.
I have a 2022 Kia Forte GT2, and although it is a cheap and affordable econobox, it is fun enough to drive for the most part. My biggest gripe with these cars is the extremely short life span of the DCT. I have 70k miles on mine, and the clutch pack has been replaced 3 times already under warranty. Its sbowing signs of slipping again already, and will be going in within the next couple weeks for another clutch pack replacement. Its a fun quick little car, and has good technology for the price point. It is a car you enjoy while you have a warranty, but you surely want to be getting rid of it before the warranty is up. Oh and lastly, i guess the rate at which these cars depreciate is kinda a bummer as well. My car was only a year old when i asked what the dealer would give me for it, and they offered me literally half of what i paid for the car!! In only one year and 30k later the price was in half.
I almost got a 2021 Kia Forte GT2 for like $25 I think. At the time CarPlay was a priority and I still enjoy how that generation looks! Cooled and heated seats sub $35k was pretty incredible too!
Love this review. But I also love the Kia Forte GT manual transmission. It only has the manual option in the highest trim with the 201 horsepower. And it’s $25k Kia is the last car company making a performance car under $25k with a manual and lots of tech. Miss the Fiesta ST, but I’ll take the Kia The only problem I have with it is that it doesn’t come with one of the packages, so you don’t have ventilated seats (this is the cheapest new car with ventilated seats).
In 2016 I wanted a fun economical car. Bought a Fiesta ST. Been an absolute blast to drive. Mines fbo and a good tune. Now 7 years later kinda looking at new things, went and drove one of these. If you took my Fiesta and left all the horsepower but somehow siphoned out all the fun, this car is what you would have. I will continue to love and drive the Fiesta until something makes me feel as good or better. Not holding my breath. lol
@@oraclemiata845 I have, definitely not bad definitely super in the right direction. Problem with them is your talkin to mid $30s for a turbo 4cyl.... I just can't make that make sense in my head. More than likely early next year and I'm going to put a larger turbo on my ST and keep it for quite a while
So I just drove the crap out of a 2022 kia forte gt. I put 94000 miles on it in 2 years. Not one single problem. Put a few modifications that pushed me up to 45 miles per gallon on gas & it loved to humiliate Honda si’s. It was super fast. I have had muscle cars all my life but nothing can touch the overall on the gt. I enjoyed it so much, I traded in for a 2024. I removed all the bolt on modifications myself and put them on the new one. No Honda out there wants some. The Honda accord 2.0 turbo don’t want none neither. I embarrass them all.
I think KIA should take advantage of the logo's resemblance to the Nine Inch Nails logo: _A customer in a KIA showroom is visibly impressed by the body lines and overall design of the car. He stands at the car's rear end and lets out a deep breath as he says, "I want to feel you from the inside." Cut to POV shot of the customer spiritedly driving through twisting roads._
My wife loves her black gt. Just change the oil every 5k miles or less, according to research and its ok. This is the 3rd Kia she has had and we haven't had any issues. Plan on driving it for 3 or 4 more years then sell before the warranty is up. I think it's a great deal though, it's fun to drive, you get way more features for way less money and IMO it just shows how much other brands overcharge for basic things.
I had a 2016 Forte. It was a great little commuter. Did my usual maintenance and got to 56k miles without a single mechanical issue before an old lady rear ended me at a 4 way stop and totaled the thing. On the plus side the check I got from the insurance company was 4 grand more than what I paid for the car. Now I drive a 2.0t Stinger, currently at 74k miles on it and it's been bang on reliable outside of eating through rear tires quicker than expected.
How the resale market works for compacts: The person who crossed the Rio Grande 6 months prior asks friend what type of older used car to buy, gets told: "Toyota or Honda, and don't buy anything else". Everyone follows the advice which makes a 15yo 150k miles Civic/Corolla $10,000.
I've got the 19 Veloster R-Spec with the last generation of the 1.6T Gamma before they went to the Gamma 2. Paired up with their 6 speed trans. 62k miles strong, hoping those two together go strong. It's build quality feels good, but it has rattles and creaks since new.
I'm on the Elantra sport facebook group and the 6 speed in those cars (same engine and powertrain as yours) have been reliable. Someone there got 140k miles and tuned theirs to 260 hp on stock internals
Those older Forte sedans have aged REALLY well. Compare the styling to the equivalent early-2010s Corolla and you'd think they were from different centuries.
What an awesome review, I feel like my Buick century would be perfect for this race to the bottom, the only reason I own it is because of sentimental value
a buick century was a solid car in its day though, and quite reliable by American standards. those old GM v6's had a few well-known intake gasket issues but were otherwise incredibly long-lasting and dead reliable.
@@DeusTex-Mex oh I completely agree, but it’s bland exterior and anemic v6 make for a driving experience akin to recreational Dramamine abuse. Plus the lovely GM slush box is always the weak point on these vehicles, I’ve owned two and they both had transmission problems after awhile
I remember doing research research when i bought this for my wife and for the money i couldn't find anything close to it . And ended up geting the GT2 version . Only thing we done was added pilot sport all season 4s. But i will like to say a top line corolla in 2021 was more then this was.
This past summer I rented quite a bit of cars. Camry, Civics, Corollas, Corolla Cross, CX-3, Mazda 3, and lemme tell you, KIA forte stole the show in ride comfort, handling, acceleration and tech. Its a lot of car for the price. One of my favorites to rent for long trips
Nissan is the official vehicle of "why did you run? You were only going to get a ticket." And Kia is the official brand of "Ma'am you can't be high on prescription medication at your workplace."
Nissan slid way downhill to become like KIA in the last 20 years. I had a 97 Altima, then a 97 Maxima, and now I have a G35 Coupe, and all of them have been great, never did me wrong. Now with CVT issues and bad credit practices Altimas either blow up on some poor family or get driven at 90 with dings everywhere and the spare tire on.
Own a 22 GT2 and i can honestly say i love the car... other than some minor jerks from the DCT at low speeds, i have no complaints.... lol and am i the only one who likes the new KIA badge design?
I went to a Honda dealership. The salesman tried to sell me a newer Hyundai. I said hard pass on the Hyundai, I told him I work in a shop and we've been having those things coming back a lot for failed oil pumps lately. Even same year as the one he tried to sell me. He laughed, indicating he was well aware. Later he again suggested the Hyundai to me.
I bought one of these with the 6-speed manual about 3 years ago to replace an aging 2012 Mazda 3 with a bad transmission. After 37k, it's been a good car with no major issues. It's fun to drive, makes the right noises, efficient-ish, and does daily driver things really well. Biggest issues are with the interior; driver's seat bolsters are cracked and worn, and the steering wheel badge somehow delaminated internally and nothing is covered under the "bumper-to-bumper" warranty. In fact, the worst part of owning one of these (or any Kia) is dealing with the dealership when something goes wrong. Every one I've dealt with in my area is awful, even for car dealership standards. If you can get the right deal on one, they are not a bad option at all, especially if you can turn a wrench. But at full 2023 MSRP? Eh... I'd probably check the competition at that price.
I have a 23 silver gt 6 speed, interior is way better than civic, sport mode is fun, boost is almost instant, Harmon Kardon system is nice too with Sirius xm blasting, looks really good when the whole car is tinted, pilot sport tires are awesome, thing handles like it's on rails
My second car was a 2013 Kia Forte SX sedan. Gunmetal Gray, factory wing and aero package, was sad the sedan SXs were all ATs, but that car never gave me any trouble mechanically outside of the sway bar links wearing out but that was an easy fix. Kept up on my oil changes, flushes, plugs, brakes, and belt replacement, never a hiccup with it. At least until I got T-boned leaving my apartment and the car was totalled 😢 I'd likely still have it today if that dickhead hadn't run the intersection (power was out, no signals). Miss that car so much
my best love was my Veloster N. the Veloster reminded everyone what affordable performance was, did everything right, AND premiered the engine that both fixed hyundai’s grenade issues and laid the foundation for every ounce of hyundai/kia’s performance pedigree… and enthusiasts hated it. it got taken out and quietly shot behind the shed.
Love the Mondays when it's a legit regular car. Like econoboxes and that's it. It's the stuff I see the most of and probably all I'll ever aspire to buy since a depreciating asset just does not justify itself for me. And I love cars. But the juice is not worth the squeeze when I'll be in traffic all the time. Love the review roman!! You're a baller, just excellent
I have a gen 2 Forte5 SX. Has the 1.6 turbo, but it has a 6 speed auto with flappy paddles. I bought it new in 2015, and it's been nothing but a pleasure since day one. I just wanted a car that was practical and stable that let me hoon around every so often. The engine has been reliable and still feels peppy. The transmission has been great, even if it feels like it gets lost sometimes in the power band. Which is funny, because the auto was seen as the superior transmission for Gen 2s over the manual. Only things I've had to replace on it, other than wear items or standard maintenance, were the ecu at 90k, some sensors starting at 100k, and the PCV last week. Other than that, I've had no issues. She's still cracking along at 125k, and every mechanic that's seen her says there's no reason she can't keep going for twice that. It's possible I got lucky, and if so, I couldn't be happier. I definitely see a lot of my car in the Gen 3s. Road noise is an issue (and I don't get a nice stereo to combat it). The car feels and performs better at 60+ than it does below 40. But, luckily Gen 3s did away with the torsion bar, which in my car is probably its worst feature, especially in turns. Nothing better for confidence than feeling the car rebound in the middle of a turn because the rear suspension isn't properly set up.
Honestly i didnt had any mechanical problems with my 2012 hyundai sonata, the only problem was that it was stolen with a usb chord.🙃 Kia and Hyundai have a long way to rebuilt trust with consumers again, especially considering that a lot of insurance companies are refusing to insurance these cars anymore.
Here's a moment I wish I still had the Avenger. The bottom. But this video right here, right now? Poetry. I love what you're doing here. Keep being incredible!
Bro obviously you haven't driven a kia car lately this brand has been good for many years then after 2017 when they introduced the GT trim and changed a few of their models like the optima for the K5 and added some rally muscle to the Forte and then added the new Stinger this brand changed in a good way and do not forget kia is Hyundai's little brother and they share a lot of aftermarket parts and technology!!!🚗💯🔥🔥🔥 Now if you check their SUVs and electric ⚡ vehicles are fantastic too by the way the new KIA logo is really nice better than the one they had before what are you talking about mate 🧉🤣🤣🤣 ?
I had a 2016 Focus that put me off of CVTs for life. It started slipping around 60k, got it replaced under warranty, then the replacement started to go at 77k. Great gas mileage, and decently quick for what it was, but no engagement al all. I have a Mazda 3 now with a real automatic and the feel is so much different.
It's not that they build it to fail, it's that they know when things wear out and fail then time the warranty to run out. The new tech they cram in cars for fuel economy makes them unreliable: CVT's just aren't good, direct injection leads to carbon build up, start/stop tech is hard on engines, etc.
Whenever I see a KIA I have a flashback to the late 90s when I was a kid washing cars at my dads work one summer. Most of the techs there drove company car Honda Civics, but one employee got a brand new KIA Rio. My shining memory of that car is from far away it looked okay, but up close my god it had the thinnest sheet metal of any car I've seen before. I was genuinely worried about denting the car when washing it. Looking it up an equivilent sized Civic that year was about 2,300lbs. The Rio was over 300lbs lighter. Pretty much the same size. I'm convinced it was all in the sheet metal. Ever since I've been leery of the brand despite knowing they're much better quality now. They were really smart with those warranty shenanigans during those years, probably cost them a ton of money, but they were able to develop into something decent. Instead of the KIA brand going down the same path as the Yugo...
The Hyundai 1.6T and 6-speed manual is great in every car they ever put it in. Seriously fun and underrated drivetrain that's tried and true for over a decade now. About as much fun as you can have in an ordinary everyday "cheap" car.
The 1.6T is used across the KIA lineup and has had success for being reliable. The 7 speed DCT has had problems. Like you said, not unlike any pulley driven CVT. I'd personally choose the 6 speed manual because KIA/Hyundai absolutely refuses to use the much improved 8 speed wet clutch DCT inside the Forte GT.
When you mean the 7-speed dry DCT has had problems, do you mean like refinement issues (it being jerky) or that it has a tendency to fail at low mileage?
Kia/Hyundai is incredibly well built...depending on the metric being measured. If you measure it on resale value, fuel economy, overall reliability, performance...then no its not well built. But if you measure it by looking at old Hyundais, then yes, because against all odds, alot of these cars have outlived far better built and more reliable cars. My 2006 Tucson here in Canada shares the road with very few other 2006 cars. Thats 16 winters worth of Penn grade rusting, and its headed for another with 151k miles(243k kms). No valve knocking. A/C still works, still on the factory clutch with no slipping. I bought it from a scrapyard "for parts" and put it back on the road in 2021. Previous to me, based on the glove compartment overflowing of garage visit bills, it had been "partial flood damaged", VGA repaired(unibody damage cut away and parts of donor Tuscon welded onto it), and in a different collision where an airbag went off and that was the only damage. Its catalytic converter had also been stolen twice, with the second time likely being the final straw, as i received it with a still shiny slinky tube on the exhaust line where the catalytic would otherwise be. First thing i did was pull out the timing belt. It was the original factory one worn to the threads. Then i unclogged the oil sump. New ball joints, brakes, ect. The scrapyard only had Santa Fe's in the pull-your-parts- area, so i bought a used Santa Fe exhaust line. Cut, weld, put the box on sideways. And thats it, its been running since. The interior is cheap and dreary, it rattles and vibrates, Airbag/ABS/Trac/Check lights are permanently on, gas tank as a hole in it at half-tank, it rocks back and forth so much in the wind that i named it "Wobbling Wallce". On one hand, undeniably appalling build quality. On the other, that such junk beat the odds and survived so much for so long is its own form of impressive.
Oh god this hurt. I loved my 2021 Forte GT so much. It was the perfect daily. That manual transmission was geared perfectly for power anytime in any gear. It got decent gas mileage, was light weight and handled well. It also had no right to be that fast when driving around. Taking off from a light was kind of annoying because you just shift shift shift shift. But that was part of the fun. It FELT way quicker than it was. What a great car, I miss it so much.
As someone who used to own a 2020 Forte GT I have to say I was impressed how far Kia has come. Early 2000's were econo sh*tbox with no power anything and everything breaking. Now you get a 7 speed dual clutch transmission, heated and cooled seats, good power and handling. 30+ MPG (if you're not a madman) and only needs 87 octane in it. Drove in a lot of mountain passes in Cali and Oregon and the handling is way better than I expected for a new car I talked to dealer down to $21,100.
Kia is a paper tiger. Not to dog on your choice but it is just insane to me that I am seeing 2022+ model year Kias and Hyundais with chipping paint, falling off trim, burnt headlights, and mechanical issues... Yes. The cosmetics are minor issues (not really) but if they can't get the simple things right it makes you wonder how the rest of the car is made....And its showing in many customers' korean cars.
@@abdinoorful No just all Korean cars seem to have issues with details. I am not sure if they are just cheaping out on quality to bring a lower price than their superior Japanese competition but its noticeable in very recent model years which is concerning.
@@user-pn3im5sm7k the 1.6 turbo and dct combination as been a regular for both hyundai/kia for the last decade, which is what the specific car being reviewed has, i know kia/hyundai have had issues specifically pertaining to their engines, but im pretty sure that forte gt / elantra n line are reliable
I had a 2010 Forte EX, I bought it in 2013 and I sold it a month ago. Nothing really went wrong with it, let's say I did win the McDonald's lottery. The reason why I sold it was because I had no AC all summer and I knew this would have cost more than 1K $ worth of repairs since it wasn't just Freon leaking. I am one of the few who went out of his way to get a 22' Stinger GT Scorpion.
The Forte GT is like an ideal package of car for so many. More than enough power for real road driving, light for a modern sedan, and available with a desirable transmission. Its flaws? 1. Its kinda ugly :v (not the graphics, but the shape), 2. It presents itself as a sport hatch, but its truly a tourer. Without that *fizz* like an Si, it will feel lacking. It wouldn’t take much to make it match up, but until such, it will be really a good daily. Nah, to be a true bottom car, few modern day options will suffice, Roman would need someone with 90’s GM, real under thought car type beat. Or a Mitsubishi Mirage. Still not a bad car, but truly an-transport.
I checked these out at a local dealer when car shopping last year. I thought it was quite competent for the price. Dial your expectations to "base model Corolla" and then you'll see that for the money, these are actually pretty attractive vehicles. Plus they had several with the 6MT!!! Try that flavor out, Roman. You might like it more. Helped that the dealer wasn't playing "market adjustment" games versus the Civic I was also cross-shopping where the dealers wanted a freaking $10K markup! For a base model too. Lol nope. And good luck getting an SI for MSRP!!!
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old kia had OEM Mitsubishi engine in it. thats why some made to 200k.
hyundai KIA never made reliable engine or transmission of thire own.
It was a pleasure working with you Mr. Roman I’m glad you somewhat enjoyed my car!!
Thank you again for such an amazing shooting day and for being such a cool and knowledgeable guy. I genuinely enjoyed getting to hang out for the afternoon. Oh, and thanks for being such a great sport about how often this shoot was on and then off and then on and then off 😂 It was a pleasure to get to meet you.
Now modify it you won't regret it lol
Congratulations on purchasing a KN.
@@joels7605lmao so true
@@booyashaka3182 I am pretty sure they had the GT there for as long as the US. I have seen a few reviews for the Canadian GT models.
"...the optics of chasing Taylor Swift off stage while wearing THAT arm band..." I about had a spit take on the imagery provided in this segment. Well, done!
I have a confession, I love the Kia Forte. When I was 17 I bought a 2 year old Kia Forte with less than 40k miles for dirt cheap. That car gave me my love for working on cars. Everything was relatively easy to work on, I learned all of the basics. Now I'm a 25 year old mechanic working for Mercedes and theres a Kia Forte5 SX in my driveway. I know I've got trash taste, but man, my Forte's have both given me good memories.
Yeah you'll graduate from that someday i should clarify i used to work at a Hyundai dealership and the cars were awful
No. That's awesome! Don't let anyone tell you that your love for your car is invalid. It gave you so many great memories. I still drive around my hail damaged Volt because of the memories I have with her, and because I don't have to buy gas often. It was your first car, and all that matters is that YOU love it. Who cares what others think?
I love my 2017 Forte5 SX.
Yeah, a two year old car shouldn't give you a love of working on cars. My 19-year-old Solara gives me a love of never, ever having to lift the hood.
@@fludeball everyone is different. Some people don't want to work on their cars. Some people do.
I’d love to hear an RCR deep dive on CVTs and how the industry basically broke both their knees before they even started. CVTs are fine transmissions, but the auto makers screwed them over twice.
One, CVTs are NOT “sealed transmissions,” they do still need to be serviced. Draining and replacing the fluid takes about as long as an oil change. So long as you change the fluid every 35k or so, they’ll keep on keeping on for hundreds of thousands of miles. Don’t change the fluid and you might be fortunate to get to 100k.
Two, all CVTs have false gear changes because that’s what the customer is used to. But that’s not the proper efficient way to run one. The whole point of a CVT is that it’s self-optimizing for the best torque conversion at a given throttle. But that makes the engine “stick in gear” by staying at one rev speed, and people didn’t like that. So they made the CVT less efficient and less powerful just for the sound.
Not directly related to the industry but also something against them, the FIA banned them in F1 so they’d never get the levels of development money that other transmissions received.
Toyota hybrid transmissions are the goat.
I see the move to CVTs across many manufacturers as a purely cost-cutting move. No one seems to like or want them, but that’s what we’re getting more and more.
The same is true in the motorcycling world with parallel twins. They’re cheaper to make, so more and more new bikes are getting them instead of inline 4s and v-twins. They make sense in some bikes, but they aren’t loved by most riders.
@@timothycoyne5874 "Nobody wants them" if you only go by TH-cam car channel comments. In the real world, most people are fine. It's always some 18 year-old keyboard warrior arueing with people online about how "they don't want to drive an appliance" and about "soul" etc etc etc. CVT's are like everything else Americans touch, they turned it into a needless and wasteful culture war thing.
@@timothycoyne5874I thought CVTs were a fuel efficiency thing and are actually more expensive than a normal auto.
Personally I’m from Europe and I learned to drive with only manual transmissions and have only driven a handful of normal auto transmissions and I hated all of them - they always seems to change gears at the wrong time. I even managed to stall a Volvo S60 auto at a red light somehow?? But now I have a CVT family car and it’s fine. Yeah it’s not fast but I’m never annoyed by it. Press pedal and it goes
Car enthusiasts are weird. Kia offers an affordable, compact, economical and modestly fast, and available in a DCT or a manual. but "iTs A kIa Derrr"
It’s a great car. For the first 50k miles.
That’s the problem. It’s an Asian Fiat.
It’s still a kia
@@wan3416The problem are owners who cut corners by not maintaining them properly. I've seen quite a few blown Hyundai/Kia engines, and 9 times out of 10 the cause of death was improper maintenance, usually extended oil intervals. The only exception were the few remaining Theta engines with manufacturing defects, but even they are getting replaced or rebuilt, and seem to be US-specific.
@@wan3416 70k miles on ours, the only wrong thing has been ABS sensors and day running lights that burn out a bit too fast.
those are NPCs that should be ignored.
This might be Roman's best review.
Agreed.
Really?! Thank you! I can't wait to make more of these.
bro he went to school with t swift, he’s way more articulate and well spoken yet she rules the world 😅
Agreed!
Thanks for the heads-up
There is no way to engineer a cars mechanicals to last just past the warranty. That’s a myth created by people who don’t like to service their vehicles regularly. If you service the vehicle regularly the mechanicals should last beyond 100,000 miles. The proof is the cars that have lasted beyond that. The reality is the people who traditionally bought Kia products weren’t the type to regularly service their vehicles hence the warranty.
I think you’re underselling how big of a difference $5000 is when you’re talking about $25k vs $30k. That’s 20% and hundreds on a monthly payment
I think a young and dumb person would just take a longer loan 😂
But yeah, $5k is huge to a responsible 25 year old
@@stormix5755 anything over a 3 year loan on a car is absurd to me. I’m seeing 72 month loans now and I couldn’t imagine having a payment still on a 5 year old vehicle
Don't worry you'll lose those savings in resale 💯💪
@@earlscheib7754literally cars worth a 2 day old shit that they forgot to flush
You're absolutely right. I guess the idea is that the type of person who'd want a Civic SI might not be dissuaded from it by a $5500 premium. But the more I think about it, the dumber that rationale is. Because unless you have parents with deep pockets who don't mind making those payments, I feel like even the most reckless twentysomethint would still be thrown off by $5500. It's one of those times where I wish I could have gone back and edited.
This new Kia logo is waaaaaaay better than the old one
100%
Their old logo was a copy of fords (in the sense that it’s the BRAND name inside an oval) and Hyundais was a copy of Hondas (again, not exact but close)
Yes totally. There first time I saw the new logo I had no idea what it brand it was. I quite like it
1:47 "Is this what's hot in the streets?"
Definitely not--I tested a 2022 BRZ once, they handed me the keys, said "don't go too far with it", and sent me on my way. By myself. A credit check for a test drive is nuts.
I test drove an 89 probe gt once a few yearsago, they made me leave my license with them as collateral. Which sucked because the car died a mile down the road and I had to walk across the bad part of town just to fetch my damn id.
@@DrewLSsixSo their policy is to force people to drive without carrying a license? Seems legit.
Over the weekend I went to a rural Ford dealership and they just handed me the keys to a new Mustang GT with the 6 speed manual and just said go have fun, no papers signed or anything.
Literally my exact experience with my gr86. They couldn't wait to give me the keys
@@concinnus if it’s an 89 it’s probably private sale or a really shady used car lot.
I am in my mid 40's and have a good job. I can easily buy an entry-level luxury car and I still chose to buy a 2023 Forte Gt2 over the new Integra that I actually went out to buy. The reason I chose the Forte was because it really was not that much different in regards to performance than the Integra. I actually prefer the dual-clutch transmission over the CVT in the Integra, it had a better-sounding stereo than the Integra and it also had cooled seats. The interior of the Integra felt slightly better and it was also quieter, but I only drive a few miles to work each day and nothing on the highway, so I would rarely take advantage of that feature. The main thing that sold me was when I actually thought about it, it was $10,000 cheaper than a comparable Integra, but it did not feel like it was $10,000 less expensive. I will keep it for a few years and move on to something else, but after a year of ownership and 12,000 miles, I actually still love the car which is very unlike me. I usually get bored with them quickly. But this car reminds me of a time when cars were more fun with the torque steer and slight turbo lag. The drivetrain reminds me of a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T when they were good and turbocharged in the late 90's. In comparison to the Civic Si, the Forte GT is the mid-40-year-old compared to the 20-something Civic. The interior of the Civic Si is so basic feeling, it only comes in a manual, only has red cloth seats that also do not match the black rear seats, no heated or ventilated seats, no highway driving assist, no remote start. There are just tradeoffs that aren't worth it in my opinion even if I think that it is more fun in certain situations.
Bro I'm with you I didn't like his review at all apparently he hasn't checked the car reviews lately here in the USA the Kia Forte GT has been the best car in its price the last 3 years compared against Honda civic, VW GTI and even Mazda 3 and Toyota Corolla , not mentioning the Type Rs or the GRs those are different monster , also these Kia Forte GT are very easy to modify a lot of aftermarket parts in the market for this car , I own a 2023 Kia Forte GT2 😎🔥 and I have done a few modifications to my car and let me tell you it feels like a different car more responsive and faster than before I added more HP lower the suspension upgrade sway bars 🍻 oh boy what a machine 😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉 it's 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@maoinc13 exactly. I see people raving over the new Chevy Trax and I’m just like, but if you aren’t going to get all wheel drive, a Forte is better than a Trax in every aspect and costs the same with way more equipment, way better performance, warranty, and interior build quality. It’s no comparison.
@@maoinc13 Agreed!
The price point was also a huge factor for me. I was cross shopping this and the Honda Civic Si and this just checked all the boxes for way less money and better % APR than the Si. Overall, it was $200 less per month, thousands less in OTD price, and just as reliable (with the manual transmission option, which I got as well). Easy to mod as well, I have a few videos on how to. Sure, its not as driver focused as the Si, but at the end of the day, I saved thousands of dollars on purchase price and APR. Overall, best bang for the buck.
@@maoinc13 I agree with you, his review was biased from the get go and not a real review. I own a 23 Forte GT and love the car. I owned a 2008 Hyundai Elantra that was used when I got it, and never had one problem with the car, that was my decision to look at the Kia when getting a new car, I also looked at Toyota, have owned 3 over the years, Nissan, Honda, but for the money, this car has every option available option and not one problem. Plus, you see so many Kia and Hyundai on the roads now, they must not be as bad as he claims the brand is.
Best thing about Forte GT is that they are underrated so they hold their value well and not many ppl go looking for them.
As a '23 Forte GT owner myself, I feel Roman's sentiment. I bought mine because I needed a dull, predictable, unexciting vehicle with which I could drive to work three days a week. My Roadmaster wagon and my Suzuki Burgman provide me with the automotive self-actualization they've mentioned before; the Forte is a plain white Van Heusen dress shirt. Also the first car I've ever owned that gets XM radio.
I have a 2011 Outback for that purpose. It's less a white Van Heusen and more, like, a purple one with the stainblocker treatment paired with a tie that has raccoons and garbage cans on it. Socially acceptable low-level quirkiness. Like a white girl secretly loving serial killer podcasts, but being really open about it because she knows all the other white girls also love serial killer podcasts. And they just pretend it's weird and quirky in spite of its relative normalcy and blandness. The veneer of kink and deviance is enough in most cases. But in the end of the day, alternative still implies its own kind of normalcy and adherence.
If I have to get weird, I have the CB550 and the Tempest.
You could've bought a Toyota or something that makes sense, but no you buy a KIA. Do you like expensive repairs or what?
@@OffTrackProductions Base model Corolla's and Civics were getting "market adjustments" of $3-5k in my area despite the fact that buyers want trucks and SUV's, not sedans. I was unwilling to buy Nissan, Mitsubishi, or domestic. My state job and union also gave me $1,500.00 off the sales price for that particular dealership, plus the cash discount I already got. I don't keep my commuter cars for more than five years anyway - the long-term issues will be someone else's problem.
@@OffTrackProductions My 2 KIAs have been great. 300,000 miles between them without any trouble. My Toyota however, engine took a dirt nap at 70k miles. None are perfect. Even Toyota has had bad vehicles. I had one
I hAd tO bUy NeW 😂 no you got sucked in because of the payments. But when it doesn’t work in a few years, the payments will be negligible
I got the same model, just with a 6 speed manual transmission. Had it for about a year now and really hadn't have any issues with it so far. I personally like it. Good on gas, heated seats, good acceleration, and all the bells and whistles. Has about 8000 miles on it now. Wanting to keep it for about 5 years or so. Was debating between this or the Civic Si and decided to pull the trigger on this, thanks to the markups for the Si.
I bought a '22 Civic Si that I owned for a year before it was totaled and bought a '23 Forte GT now. The kia is the far better car. Way more features that honda just didn't include, and the infotainment is sooo much faster in the kia.
This is the best Roman review yet - it feels like he is really coming into his own with the goofier-styled reviews and getting more comfortable being himself. Keep it up!
Thank you! I do feel like I'm gradually getting my comfortable in developing my own style that is separate from Brian's while still being RCR. Oddly, while going over some old scripts in the archive, I forgot how many of the really twisted lines were mine. So maybe this presentation style always existed in me and I'm just finding a way to bring it out. 😅
@@RegularandRomanhonestly RCR isn't just Bryan.
Its you too.
Always said this.
Your parady tunes would be worthy of an actual album as well.
Can we make my uncle who lives in the attic a regular occurrence?
I dunno he might be getting a job soon...
I WANNA C-YA IN A KIA! COME ON DOWN TO KUCKLEMANS.
No joke, where I live there is a dealer called Valley Kia, and that's their commercial song. "We wanna see ya in a Kia. Valley Kia!"
@@BigRedtheGinger I haven't heard it in over a decade.
I wanna see ya in a Kia. Leighton Kia, Brown Daub Kia, Performance Kia, they all use that same slogan around here.
@@Whats-It-To-Ya Kinda makes you feel bad for whoever is singing that over and over
@@BigRedtheGinger definitely
As an owner of a GT forte since 2020, I can say that this car has been a true friend to me. It’s a step up from the 2nd gen (owned a 2015 for about 5 years), the acceleration and sport mode is fun, and it has the room and tech that makes it comfortable. My only complaint is that cosmetically, it’s been a nightmare (paint and clear coat just can not survive). This car was a great introduction to the car world for me (mainly because of the turbo, never had one and it excited me) and I’m grateful for it.
Lol I’m happy to see you guys finally review it and I wasn’t disappointed!
I've always liked Roman's reviews ever since he did the RCR story about Lee Iacocca. He's got a really smooth voice that makes the videos easy to listen to. Keep it up, man!
Thank you! I don't always like my voice (especially when I have to listen to it for hours on end while editing 😅), so it means a lot to read such kind words.
I think its a nice contrast to mr regular yelling about hot d*cks and all that. His jokes are hilarious, but it is nice to have a more calm episode every so often
If Roman wasn’t already set on a used Camry, I’d love to see a series of his journey in finding a new ride
Hell Yea !! Fuck Yea !!
I'll just let everyone know...this Kia Forte is a reskinned/rebadged (KIA is Hyundai and Hyundai is KIA) 6th gen Hyundai Elantra Sport, its the same platform, drivetrain, everything...which is the same drivetrain out of the first generation Veloster Turbo...this drivetrain has been around for 10 years and this platform is 7 years old (first year being the model year 2017 for the ES). Its a great car, I have an 2018 Elantra Sport with a 6MT, tons of aftermarket support for upgrades and mods. The Elantra Sports are are still out on the road, so these will last just as long
No the 1.6T on the Forte is not the same 1.6T on the Elantra sport. This was something I believed for a long time but I got corrected real quick on the forums plus the forte gt is actually faster than the Elantra sport and the n line. Slightly not a lot but noticeable. At least at stock. But everyone is running jb4 on all those engines now
@@VerryJerry90 the N-Line does use a 1.6L Smartstream Turbo gdi engine but the wiki even says the Forte has a 1.6L Gamma II T-GDI that I know my AD generation Elantra Sport has...so whats the difference? Minor update to the internals/turbo?
@@Matkovic99 I think it’s the turbo that has slight changes. I know the smartstream is newer but the gamma ll is supposedly time and tested. Smartstream has port and direct injection and they’re a bit better at emissions and mpg. Gamma ll only has direct injection
@@VerryJerry90 ok for sure, that makes sense because even the turbo in my Elantra is diff in size and other stuff than both the first and 2nd gen veloster turbo. Ive seen pictures of the 3 together they're all definitely different lol. But yeah like you said the Gamma is pretty time and tested I dont think theyre gonna stop using the basic design of this engine for a while (hopefully)
I have a 23 GT and it's amazing. I used to have civics and gti and the gt feels way more premium. And it's crazy fast from 40mph and up.
I just got a 2023 GT 6-speed manual it's the 8th Kia my family has owned. My mom still is driving her 2011 Sorrento and we have never spent a dollar repairing anything that went wrong before 150,000 miles and even then it was minor
As someone who is new to the workforce and is absolutely under their parent’s health insurance and owns a 2023 Kia Forte, i feel incredibly target. Side note, I love my Kia forte. I also have a 2012 Sorento with a 3.5 as well that has 220k miles on it.
My sister in law's 2022 Sorento has been in for warranty repairs 3 times now. It has not been reliable but the customer service has been decent. Kia even covered a couple of her payments.
I'm not sure why but the Sorento has been uniquely bad in the lineup. C&D struggled just as much with theirs. They really screwed something up with that car.
Some kias/Hyundai's just are not as good as others. Every manufacturer has some bad car tho.
My wife's 2022 Sorento has been perfectly fine at least 3 trips 600 miles round trip, and a cross country trip totaling around 2000 miles, not a single thing wrong with it, drove great, and honestly haven't been impressed with a vehicle as much as that one
I actually think the new Kia logo is a big improvement. The old one was just about as boring as you could possibly get. The new one is very stylized but since it's just 3 letters, it isn't overdone. The thing is, unlike most brands (of any market, not just vehicles) that change their logo are trying to give the impression of "look how different we are!" to shake off old impressions, but Kia is legitimately actually different than they used to be, for better or worse.
yeah i like the logo. when i first saw a car with that badge it made me do a double-take - "what the hell kinda car is that?" i wondered. when i realized it was a KIA i was genuinely impressed, because the cars finally look _good_ , hell some are even _strikingly_ good looking, despite whatever may lie underneath.
I think its just as bad, no one knows what it says. Top google searches are for 'KN car'.
Looks like the Killer Instinct logo.
It just looks like KN
I took a leap of faith in 2019 and bought a GT brand new with like 40 miles on it. Back before covid they couldn't move these things as fast as they wanted so they were selling them for 3-4000 off sticker. I'm not kidding. My Orange manual sunroof equipped GT with brand new michelin pilot sport 4 tires was 23000 sticker and my total loan was 19000 with 500 down. Was a great deal at the time, even came with some free oil changes. The reason I bought it was because I had previously owned the first gen Veloster turbo, and that car was quite fun in the twisties. The new Forte GT did not disappoint, at all really. Especially with the pilot sport 4s. I put 30000 miles on the car without a hiccup before covid hit and I lost my job at the time, ended up selling the car to carvana as they were wanting to pay me more than I owed on the car. Long sotry short, its a decent car if you get the manual. I dont think this review was very fair to kias first good eco box.
Twenty grand for Kia compact? ))) With no automatic transmission? It's not a good deal at all. You got ripped off. I wouldn't even pay sixteen for it. They just overpriced these cars to fool people like you into thinking you've got a good deal.
@@johndong752424K is a huge bargain, especially with premium features such as manual transmission. Or you can pay 40K for a Civic if you want the manual trans
My dad had a 2013 Hyundai Elantra. Engine was ticking around 90k, dealership told him it was normal, nothing to worry about. Right after 100k (when the warranty ends) the engine blew...
... and the dealership said, engine blowing up at 100k? That's totally normal, most of them do that.
Note: "normal" does not necessarily mean "good"
Yeah Hyundai and kia are a lot better than they used to be that doesn't make them good unfortunately my friends Elantra n blew its engine at 25k recently
At least it didn't catch fire.
As someone who grew up driving hoop-d's and spent my 20s in a series of cars declining in quality (honda Fit, hyundai elantra,to a chevy Cobalt, to a ford escape), my forte GT has been a revelation for me. I test drove a nissan, a honda, and a few others. Kia was my last choice. I live in milwaukee where owning a kia is like wearing cement shoes to a swim meet. But the interior, the sound of the car, the responsive handling, and the amount of bells and whistles you got for less than literally every other car in its class. The car itself isnt exceptional, its just "good", but its good for less than any other just "good" cars i saw available. I love it. Ive driven it 9000 miles since may '23 and i am still in love with the car.
As the owner of a 23 6MT Forte GT, I genuinely love the car for what it is. I've owned it about 4 months, have put 5k miles on it, and it's been a great car so far. I originally looked at a new Civic SI but with the markups that every single ome of them had, I just couldn't justify the price. I managed to get the Forte for MSRP and OTD was right around $26.5k, which was $10k less than any Civic SI within the surrounding few states. I know its not the best performance car whatsoever, but for a little manual daily, its perfect for me🖤
I wish Roman would present more videos. Its nice getting a balance of both of ya
Omg, the Phantom Menace title crawl had me rolling 😂😂😂
As someone who grew up around compacts in the 80s and 90s, we have it good today.
Is this Matt Farah's million mile Lexus?
This is not Matt Farah's Million Mile Lexus.
It might be
The front fascia of the Forte looks like it’s fed up with seeing all the SUVs people are buying. I love it.
Also, seeing the entire opening title crawl from Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace in that list was the icing on the cake.
The new logo is a huge upgrade IMO. It's supposed to symbolize new Kia vs old.
I agree. Don't know what their problem is with it. The old Kia logo was terrible, and the new one is at least interesting.
I think the biggest thing is to some people it's confusing to read, to some it looks like a K and then a backwards N instead of KIA --so is the result of making the badge continuous to keep badge costs lower than making individual letters.
I prefer the fake logo kia owners were using to mask the old logo
@@moeanthony9308 They were embarrassed of old Kia.
@@shivpalps7653 hahaha yea no kidding
I have a 2022 Kia Forte GT2, and although it is a cheap and affordable econobox, it is fun enough to drive for the most part. My biggest gripe with these cars is the extremely short life span of the DCT. I have 70k miles on mine, and the clutch pack has been replaced 3 times already under warranty. Its sbowing signs of slipping again already, and will be going in within the next couple weeks for another clutch pack replacement.
Its a fun quick little car, and has good technology for the price point. It is a car you enjoy while you have a warranty, but you surely want to be getting rid of it before the warranty is up.
Oh and lastly, i guess the rate at which these cars depreciate is kinda a bummer as well. My car was only a year old when i asked what the dealer would give me for it, and they offered me literally half of what i paid for the car!! In only one year and 30k later the price was in half.
I almost got a 2021 Kia Forte GT2 for like $25 I think. At the time CarPlay was a priority and I still enjoy how that generation looks! Cooled and heated seats sub $35k was pretty incredible too!
“Potential is just wasted energy” thank you for this Roman. I really needed to hear this today.
Honestly I actually quite dig the Forte's styling. It's still good looking while being not "too much" like current Audis and BMWs.
Love this review. But I also love the Kia Forte GT manual transmission. It only has the manual option in the highest trim with the 201 horsepower. And it’s $25k
Kia is the last car company making a performance car under $25k with a manual and lots of tech. Miss the Fiesta ST, but I’ll take the Kia
The only problem I have with it is that it doesn’t come with one of the packages, so you don’t have ventilated seats (this is the cheapest new car with ventilated seats).
I have a 2009 Rio5, 160k, original engine and transmission. Runs great.
In 2016 I wanted a fun economical car. Bought a Fiesta ST. Been an absolute blast to drive. Mines fbo and a good tune. Now 7 years later kinda looking at new things, went and drove one of these. If you took my Fiesta and left all the horsepower but somehow siphoned out all the fun, this car is what you would have. I will continue to love and drive the Fiesta until something makes me feel as good or better. Not holding my breath. lol
Drive any Hyundai N product. Thank me later….
@@oraclemiata845 I have, definitely not bad definitely super in the right direction. Problem with them is your talkin to mid $30s for a turbo 4cyl.... I just can't make that make sense in my head. More than likely early next year and I'm going to put a larger turbo on my ST and keep it for quite a while
@@oraclemiata845 My tuned GT will match a stock N, just a base map. Without all the extra cost, handles nearly as good.
I have 2021 Forte GT with GT2. 56k miles on it after 2+ years. Got it for $19k brand new!! Added a comma 3 and it pretty much drives itself. Love it!
So I just drove the crap out of a 2022 kia forte gt. I put 94000 miles on it in 2 years. Not one single problem. Put a few modifications that pushed me up to 45 miles per gallon on gas & it loved to humiliate Honda si’s. It was super fast. I have had muscle cars all my life but nothing can touch the overall on the gt. I enjoyed it so much, I traded in for a 2024. I removed all the bolt on modifications myself and put them on the new one. No Honda out there wants some. The Honda accord 2.0 turbo don’t want none neither. I embarrass them all.
Opening made me realize that Roman would be the best replacement VA for Rick Sanchez and the quality of the show would go through the roof.
I think KIA should take advantage of the logo's resemblance to the Nine Inch Nails logo: _A customer in a KIA showroom is visibly impressed by the body lines and overall design of the car. He stands at the car's rear end and lets out a deep breath as he says, "I want to feel you from the inside." Cut to POV shot of the customer spiritedly driving through twisting roads._
That would be rad!
That Tom Goes To The Mayor style animated opening was perfect. That should be a staple. It fits, stylistically, so well.
"A place that doesn't do test drives without a credit check"
Yep, that unlocked a core memory
Ford dealer wanted me to make a non refundable down payment before they would let me test drive a Focus. Ended up getting a Forte instead.
My wife loves her black gt. Just change the oil every 5k miles or less, according to research and its ok. This is the 3rd Kia she has had and we haven't had any issues. Plan on driving it for 3 or 4 more years then sell before the warranty is up. I think it's a great deal though, it's fun to drive, you get way more features for way less money and IMO it just shows how much other brands overcharge for basic things.
I had a 2016 Forte. It was a great little commuter. Did my usual maintenance and got to 56k miles without a single mechanical issue before an old lady rear ended me at a 4 way stop and totaled the thing. On the plus side the check I got from the insurance company was 4 grand more than what I paid for the car.
Now I drive a 2.0t Stinger, currently at 74k miles on it and it's been bang on reliable outside of eating through rear tires quicker than expected.
My coworker with a turbo kia has been convinced it’s normal to replace an engine every 2 years. He’s on his third.
How the resale market works for compacts: The person who crossed the Rio Grande 6 months prior asks friend what type of older used car to buy, gets told: "Toyota or Honda, and don't buy anything else".
Everyone follows the advice which makes a 15yo 150k miles Civic/Corolla $10,000.
Bank toyota
The best used car is an 8 year old lexus
I've got the 19 Veloster R-Spec with the last generation of the 1.6T Gamma before they went to the Gamma 2. Paired up with their 6 speed trans. 62k miles strong, hoping those two together go strong.
It's build quality feels good, but it has rattles and creaks since new.
I'm on the Elantra sport facebook group and the 6 speed in those cars (same engine and powertrain as yours) have been reliable. Someone there got 140k miles and tuned theirs to 260 hp on stock internals
Those older Forte sedans have aged REALLY well. Compare the styling to the equivalent early-2010s Corolla and you'd think they were from different centuries.
What an awesome review, I feel like my Buick century would be perfect for this race to the bottom, the only reason I own it is because of sentimental value
a buick century was a solid car in its day though, and quite reliable by American standards. those old GM v6's had a few well-known intake gasket issues but were otherwise incredibly long-lasting and dead reliable.
@@DeusTex-Mex oh I completely agree, but it’s bland exterior and anemic v6 make for a driving experience akin to recreational Dramamine abuse. Plus the lovely GM slush box is always the weak point on these vehicles, I’ve owned two and they both had transmission problems after awhile
I remember doing research research when i bought this for my wife and for the money i couldn't find anything close to it . And ended up geting the GT2 version . Only thing we done was added pilot sport all season 4s. But i will like to say a top line corolla in 2021 was more then this was.
This past summer I rented quite a bit of cars. Camry, Civics, Corollas, Corolla Cross, CX-3, Mazda 3, and lemme tell you, KIA forte stole the show in ride comfort, handling, acceleration and tech. Its a lot of car for the price. One of my favorites to rent for long trips
So this is like The Worst Fighting Game by Matt McMuscles but for cars? Can't wait for the next one!
Kia has almost the same vibes I have for the Nissan "Look your ok, I just can't trust you with my life (or wallet) is nothing personal"
Nissan is the official vehicle of "why did you run? You were only going to get a ticket." And Kia is the official brand of "Ma'am you can't be high on prescription medication at your workplace."
Nissan slid way downhill to become like KIA in the last 20 years. I had a 97 Altima, then a 97 Maxima, and now I have a G35 Coupe, and all of them have been great, never did me wrong. Now with CVT issues and bad credit practices Altimas either blow up on some poor family or get driven at 90 with dings everywhere and the spare tire on.
The RCR/Taylor Swift overlap is not something I expected to happen in this universe.
You know Ive been watching this channel for years and never knew Brian's name until this video😂
Own a 22 GT2 and i can honestly say i love the car... other than some minor jerks from the DCT at low speeds, i have no complaints.... lol and am i the only one who likes the new KIA badge design?
Ah, Roman. You've really found your voice! This is your best work yet. Good job!
I went to a Honda dealership. The salesman tried to sell me a newer Hyundai. I said hard pass on the Hyundai, I told him I work in a shop and we've been having those things coming back a lot for failed oil pumps lately. Even same year as the one he tried to sell me. He laughed, indicating he was well aware. Later he again suggested the Hyundai to me.
"People who are new to the workforce but haven't aged out of their parents' healthcare plan" had me side-eyeing my Model 3...
As an owner of a '21 GT, I can say its more than you think ( so long as you buy the manual and upgrade the OEM tires)
Roman went to school with Taylor Swift?? So much RCR lore in these Roman episodes
I bought one of these with the 6-speed manual about 3 years ago to replace an aging 2012 Mazda 3 with a bad transmission. After 37k, it's been a good car with no major issues. It's fun to drive, makes the right noises, efficient-ish, and does daily driver things really well. Biggest issues are with the interior; driver's seat bolsters are cracked and worn, and the steering wheel badge somehow delaminated internally and nothing is covered under the "bumper-to-bumper" warranty. In fact, the worst part of owning one of these (or any Kia) is dealing with the dealership when something goes wrong. Every one I've dealt with in my area is awful, even for car dealership standards.
If you can get the right deal on one, they are not a bad option at all, especially if you can turn a wrench. But at full 2023 MSRP? Eh... I'd probably check the competition at that price.
I have a 23 silver gt 6 speed, interior is way better than civic, sport mode is fun, boost is almost instant, Harmon Kardon system is nice too with Sirius xm blasting, looks really good when the whole car is tinted, pilot sport tires are awesome, thing handles like it's on rails
The Tay annecdote was a delight. Thank you.
The lower the price point the more drastic the price difference percentage wise. 30k bs 25k is basically 25% margin which is huge.
My second car was a 2013 Kia Forte SX sedan. Gunmetal Gray, factory wing and aero package, was sad the sedan SXs were all ATs, but that car never gave me any trouble mechanically outside of the sway bar links wearing out but that was an easy fix. Kept up on my oil changes, flushes, plugs, brakes, and belt replacement, never a hiccup with it. At least until I got T-boned leaving my apartment and the car was totalled 😢 I'd likely still have it today if that dickhead hadn't run the intersection (power was out, no signals). Miss that car so much
This opening is one of my favorites in RCR history
my best love was my Veloster N. the Veloster reminded everyone what affordable performance was, did everything right, AND premiered the engine that both fixed hyundai’s grenade issues and laid the foundation for every ounce of hyundai/kia’s performance pedigree…
and enthusiasts hated it. it got taken out and quietly shot behind the shed.
Love the Mondays when it's a legit regular car. Like econoboxes and that's it. It's the stuff I see the most of and probably all I'll ever aspire to buy since a depreciating asset just does not justify itself for me. And I love cars. But the juice is not worth the squeeze when I'll be in traffic all the time.
Love the review roman!! You're a baller, just excellent
I have a gen 2 Forte5 SX. Has the 1.6 turbo, but it has a 6 speed auto with flappy paddles. I bought it new in 2015, and it's been nothing but a pleasure since day one. I just wanted a car that was practical and stable that let me hoon around every so often. The engine has been reliable and still feels peppy. The transmission has been great, even if it feels like it gets lost sometimes in the power band. Which is funny, because the auto was seen as the superior transmission for Gen 2s over the manual.
Only things I've had to replace on it, other than wear items or standard maintenance, were the ecu at 90k, some sensors starting at 100k, and the PCV last week. Other than that, I've had no issues. She's still cracking along at 125k, and every mechanic that's seen her says there's no reason she can't keep going for twice that. It's possible I got lucky, and if so, I couldn't be happier.
I definitely see a lot of my car in the Gen 3s. Road noise is an issue (and I don't get a nice stereo to combat it). The car feels and performs better at 60+ than it does below 40. But, luckily Gen 3s did away with the torsion bar, which in my car is probably its worst feature, especially in turns. Nothing better for confidence than feeling the car rebound in the middle of a turn because the rear suspension isn't properly set up.
Driven millions of these, i love them. Love the exhaust and DSG
Honestly i didnt had any mechanical problems with my 2012 hyundai sonata, the only problem was that it was stolen with a usb chord.🙃
Kia and Hyundai have a long way to rebuilt trust with consumers again, especially considering that a lot of insurance companies are refusing to insurance these cars anymore.
I drive a 21 gt2. It's been a solid little car. Plenty of power for a daily, handles great and just enough tech. Let's hope she last 👍
Here's a moment I wish I still had the Avenger. The bottom.
But this video right here, right now? Poetry. I love what you're doing here. Keep being incredible!
Thank you, my friend!
Bro obviously you haven't driven a kia car lately this brand has been good for many years then after 2017 when they introduced the GT trim and changed a few of their models like the optima for the K5 and added some rally muscle to the Forte and then added the new Stinger this brand changed in a good way and do not forget kia is Hyundai's little brother and they share a lot of aftermarket parts and technology!!!🚗💯🔥🔥🔥 Now if you check their SUVs and electric ⚡ vehicles are fantastic too by the way the new KIA logo is really nice better than the one they had before what are you talking about mate 🧉🤣🤣🤣 ?
One of your best reviews ever. When is a new rcr history thing coming? I always look foward those. Cheers roman ❤🎉
I had a 2016 Focus that put me off of CVTs for life. It started slipping around 60k, got it replaced under warranty, then the replacement started to go at 77k. Great gas mileage, and decently quick for what it was, but no engagement al all. I have a Mazda 3 now with a real automatic and the feel is so much different.
It’s pretty mind blowing, and evil how any modern car manufacturer can build their vehicles to start failing right when the warranty ends.
It's not that they build it to fail, it's that they know when things wear out and fail then time the warranty to run out. The new tech they cram in cars for fuel economy makes them unreliable: CVT's just aren't good, direct injection leads to carbon build up, start/stop tech is hard on engines, etc.
That’s capitalism for ya’
IDK why, but I kinda dig their new logo myself.
But I really do respect that
Whenever I see a KIA I have a flashback to the late 90s when I was a kid washing cars at my dads work one summer. Most of the techs there drove company car Honda Civics, but one employee got a brand new KIA Rio. My shining memory of that car is from far away it looked okay, but up close my god it had the thinnest sheet metal of any car I've seen before. I was genuinely worried about denting the car when washing it. Looking it up an equivilent sized Civic that year was about 2,300lbs. The Rio was over 300lbs lighter. Pretty much the same size. I'm convinced it was all in the sheet metal.
Ever since I've been leery of the brand despite knowing they're much better quality now. They were really smart with those warranty shenanigans during those years, probably cost them a ton of money, but they were able to develop into something decent. Instead of the KIA brand going down the same path as the Yugo...
The Hyundai 1.6T and 6-speed manual is great in every car they ever put it in. Seriously fun and underrated drivetrain that's tried and true for over a decade now. About as much fun as you can have in an ordinary everyday "cheap" car.
The 1.6T is used across the KIA lineup and has had success for being reliable. The 7 speed DCT has had problems. Like you said, not unlike any pulley driven CVT. I'd personally choose the 6 speed manual because KIA/Hyundai absolutely refuses to use the much improved 8 speed wet clutch DCT inside the Forte GT.
When you mean the 7-speed dry DCT has had problems, do you mean like refinement issues (it being jerky) or that it has a tendency to fail at low mileage?
@@matthewstevens2556 It can be a bit jerky and has had a lot of premature failures.
Kia/Hyundai is incredibly well built...depending on the metric being measured. If you measure it on resale value, fuel economy, overall reliability, performance...then no its not well built.
But if you measure it by looking at old Hyundais, then yes, because against all odds, alot of these cars have outlived far better built and more reliable cars. My 2006 Tucson here in Canada shares the road with very few other 2006 cars. Thats 16 winters worth of Penn grade rusting, and its headed for another with 151k miles(243k kms). No valve knocking. A/C still works, still on the factory clutch with no slipping.
I bought it from a scrapyard "for parts" and put it back on the road in 2021. Previous to me, based on the glove compartment overflowing of garage visit bills, it had been "partial flood damaged", VGA repaired(unibody damage cut away and parts of donor Tuscon welded onto it), and in a different collision where an airbag went off and that was the only damage. Its catalytic converter had also been stolen twice, with the second time likely being the final straw, as i received it with a still shiny slinky tube on the exhaust line where the catalytic would otherwise be.
First thing i did was pull out the timing belt. It was the original factory one worn to the threads. Then i unclogged the oil sump. New ball joints, brakes, ect. The scrapyard only had Santa Fe's in the pull-your-parts- area, so i bought a used Santa Fe exhaust line. Cut, weld, put the box on sideways. And thats it, its been running since.
The interior is cheap and dreary, it rattles and vibrates, Airbag/ABS/Trac/Check lights are permanently on, gas tank as a hole in it at half-tank, it rocks back and forth so much in the wind that i named it "Wobbling Wallce". On one hand, undeniably appalling build quality. On the other, that such junk beat the odds and survived so much for so long is its own form of impressive.
Oh god this hurt.
I loved my 2021 Forte GT so much. It was the perfect daily. That manual transmission was geared perfectly for power anytime in any gear. It got decent gas mileage, was light weight and handled well. It also had no right to be that fast when driving around. Taking off from a light was kind of annoying because you just shift shift shift shift. But that was part of the fun. It FELT way quicker than it was. What a great car, I miss it so much.
I love everyday A-B cars **ALMOST** more than I love performance cars, and Roman's voice makes me shiverrrrrr (and he funny).
This series is sex
love to see the other half of RCR doing more videos.
As someone who used to own a 2020 Forte GT I have to say I was impressed how far Kia has come. Early 2000's were econo sh*tbox with no power anything and everything breaking. Now you get a 7 speed dual clutch transmission, heated and cooled seats, good power and handling. 30+ MPG (if you're not a madman) and only needs 87 octane in it. Drove in a lot of mountain passes in Cali and Oregon and the handling is way better than I expected for a new car I talked to dealer down to $21,100.
Kia is a paper tiger. Not to dog on your choice but it is just insane to me that I am seeing 2022+ model year Kias and Hyundais with chipping paint, falling off trim, burnt headlights, and mechanical issues...
Yes. The cosmetics are minor issues (not really) but if they can't get the simple things right it makes you wonder how the rest of the car is made....And its showing in many customers' korean cars.
@@user-pn3im5sm7k are you specifically talking about the kia forte gt ?
@@abdinoorful No just all Korean cars seem to have issues with details. I am not sure if they are just cheaping out on quality to bring a lower price than their superior Japanese competition but its noticeable in very recent model years which is concerning.
@@user-pn3im5sm7k the 1.6 turbo and dct combination as been a regular for both hyundai/kia for the last decade, which is what the specific car being reviewed has, i know kia/hyundai have had issues specifically pertaining to their engines, but im pretty sure that forte gt / elantra n line are reliable
It’s the best most fun car at the price point period.
I had a 2010 Forte EX, I bought it in 2013 and I sold it a month ago. Nothing really went wrong with it, let's say I did win the McDonald's lottery. The reason why I sold it was because I had no AC all summer and I knew this would have cost more than 1K $ worth of repairs since it wasn't just Freon leaking. I am one of the few who went out of his way to get a 22' Stinger GT Scorpion.
The Forte GT is like an ideal package of car for so many. More than enough power for real road driving, light for a modern sedan, and available with a desirable transmission. Its flaws? 1. Its kinda ugly :v (not the graphics, but the shape), 2. It presents itself as a sport hatch, but its truly a tourer. Without that *fizz* like an Si, it will feel lacking. It wouldn’t take much to make it match up, but until such, it will be really a good daily.
Nah, to be a true bottom car, few modern day options will suffice, Roman would need someone with 90’s GM, real under thought car type beat. Or a Mitsubishi Mirage. Still not a bad car, but truly an-transport.
I checked these out at a local dealer when car shopping last year. I thought it was quite competent for the price. Dial your expectations to "base model Corolla" and then you'll see that for the money, these are actually pretty attractive vehicles. Plus they had several with the 6MT!!! Try that flavor out, Roman. You might like it more. Helped that the dealer wasn't playing "market adjustment" games versus the Civic I was also cross-shopping where the dealers wanted a freaking $10K markup! For a base model too. Lol nope. And good luck getting an SI for MSRP!!!
I really like Roman reviews-hope to see more!