This is Early Garou , Not current Note : I Scripted , Recorded and Edited this video while being Sick of toxicated food , please do mind my voice , as it seems weird in some parts , other than that Please do Enjoy
Oh no, I'm sorry about your food poisoning. But don't worry, your voice sounds fine. I didn't notice it sounding any different, whether that's a good or bad thing lol
I know Garou takes this. But to be a little fair with Suiryu, he states that he hasn't trained in YEARS. Imagine how more powerful he would be if he took his training more seriously and didn't stoped training.
Agreed, but His while Point is that He IS weak in Charakter, so idk, until His Charakter developes from the Version that cryed for a Hero, i dont think He can Develope that much
@@lucaslima9792 Garou was always strong. Definitely didn't start off at S-Class level, but he was always physically strong. Remember when he shattered those bricks in Bang's dojo when he was still a white belt?
@@notjogagamer27 I feel like it'd be an extremely close matchup. Watch Suiryu's match with Saitama and Choze. His speed and power is enough to give Garou a tough time.
I know Garou wins this, but can we talk about what would happen if they met as students? Suiryu's cocky character seems exactly like what Garou hates the most. And since Suiryu and Suiko were trained by their grandpa since childhood, they'd be stronger, turning into a rival/obstacle for young Garou. Honestly I'd read a whole manga of that.
Yep, anything after that in the monster association arc is just plot armor. No way he gain so much power in a few days enough to challenge Saitama and push him beyond his limits. The author eventually make Garou lost all that power he gained and he is now back to square one. So people should just stick with Garou's base strength, not plot armor strength. Garou definitely beat Tank Top master, but that is largely due to having superior technique that hard counters him. But even when he hard counters Metal Bat too, he only managed to draw or perhaps would have lost if not for MB's sister's intervention. Not to mention MB was already injured fighting Centichoro. And then we know that Garou lost to Dogman without even as much as putting a scratch on him. He was utterly defeated and toyed with by the rank 12 S-class. So Garou's base level would be low level S-Class hero, probably somewhere close to Demon Cyborg's level. I'd imagine Suiryu's level to be at around the same level. Sonic and Genos, Garou and Suiryu could be a nice pair of rivals.
I would actually say Suiryu should easily defeat Garou. His performance during the Martial Arts Tournament was beyond anything we've seen from human Garou PRIOR to him copying techniques of other heroes and growing stronger from those encounters. I mean, just compare their feats unamped: Suiryu: Defeated every single opponent with one kick, and that included very powerful A class heroes and martial artists who would be on comparable level. Garou: Struggled to defeat A class heroes several times, including Golden Ball and Spring Mustachio, who were both able to injure him and caused him serious trouble before eventually being defeated. Suiryu: Fights a demon or above level monster Chose head on and defeated him a matter of moments, he barely gets scratched in the process. Garou: Fights Tank Top Master, who is equivallent to a demon level monster, more or less, and gets trashed and wounded very badly. Eventually he wins of course, but still. Suiryu: Faces off against Saitama and gives him an impressive fight. Of course, Saitama wasn't serious at all, but he was at least amused by Suiryu's skills and inspired by him somewhat. Garou: Faces off against Saitama and gets one tapped while mistaken for a regular human thief, twice in a row. Suiryu: Performs in front of Genos, and Genos was not only impressed to a great extent, but also concludes from watching him, that he is up to the task of impressing Saitama. Garou: Fights Genos (was already amped significantly at that point) but is called fodder and a waste of time by him several times. Of course, Garou's feats get better and better even as a human and he eventually outperforms Suiryu by a lot... but base human Garou? Doesn't stand a chance actually.
You said Suiryu was as fast as genos with no reason why Suiryu wouldn't be faster, then said that him flipping half the ring was his best strength feat even though there is no indication that is his limit, and then said that his durability was worse because he didn't get back up even though the monster he was facing was someone who destroyed genos with no trouble and genos thought they would need to gather all the s class heros along side saitama to be able to take him down, while garou's opponest were people likely much weaker than the monster based on genos's statement regarding the strength of the monster. I don't see this as a way to prove anything it seems more like there is just no way to compare the 2 simply because we just don't know their limits.
he never said flipping the ring was the strongest thing he can do, he just said his strongest feat as in that is the strongest thing we have seen from him but that doesnt mean that is all he can do
Your right also Suiryu also kicked away a laser beam that has city level force or at least in the manga in the anime it would be a Mountain level threat
I think everybody knows that Garou takes this fight. Its just the matter of seeing how much an encounter like this would shape up Suiryu in the aftermath and just how much his latent talent will keep him afloat in the battle that people really wanna see.
I'm usually with you... 8:23 But Garou was still too green, i figure the Water stream Rock Smashing fist can deflect the damage back to the opponent once it gets mastered. (As Darkshine told Garou he was still too green and was still far from perfect). In all his previous battles: yes he was able to deflect the enemy strikes but he was never able to return a strike the way Bang did on Fuhrer Ugly. And i mean Garou's defense wasn't perfect either, Genos Was able to land a decent amount of hits, also Bug God, Darkshine and Suiryu in the videogame. Garou perfected his martial arts as a side effect of turning into a monster, as Bang said during their fight. Given Suiryu is Also skilled he should land even more strikes on Garou compared to most of the previous foes Garou had to face. But Garou would still beat him, but because of his adaptability. I would say Suiryu would give him a good fight, but yeah Garou would win. I just don't think is a one sided stomp.
Genos is stronger than Suiryu, Genos gave more work than Suiryu would. Whatchdog man was putting his paw in Garou's hand, it was strength and speed and not technique, the same case was with Genos. Genos is much less skilled than Garou because he doesn't know martial art, but managed to land a few hits because of his speed and the state of Garou. Suiryu would not be able to overcome Garou's defense, he has movement prediction and honestly he is much slower than Genos, in the way being a difficult battle
@@lucaslima9792 Suiryu Is a lot More skilled so by default he should land More strikes than what Genos could. The Genos that fought Garou wasn't leagues above Suiryu (physically), what makes Genos powerful Is his firepower.
@@CameraPunk5049 Physically Genos has the same physical strength as TTM, as stated by the Garou himself. Genos is also as fast as Sonic in base form. That if you add to the cannons make it a very complicated opponent
@@lucaslima9792 Yes he Is as Strong as Tank Top master, but he isn't nearly as fast as Sonic, that's straight up a lie when they fougth Genos couldn't land a hit on Sonic other than Pulling His hair.... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Jokes aside, Sonic's after images proven to be too fast for Genos, later when Genos fougth Awakened Cockroach, he admitted Sonic was way Faster. Yes He got upgraded but His upgrades were literally greater firepower and versatility (with His jet Drive arrow and His body parts that can be deattached). Genos in the webcomic fought Garou with the same upgrade he fought against Sonic and Garou said the same about him (that he was as strong as Tank Top master). So nah Genos isn't as fast as Sonic and i mean the strength of Tank Top Master isn't anything special to Suiryu Given he took blows from 2 dragons. (That's not a factor). But Genos with those upgrades wasn't as fast as Sonic.
@@CameraPunk5049 Garou’s speed scaling is likely higher than Sonics. Garou is faster than a pumped up Metal Bat who, in a non pumped up state, matched base Carnage Kabuto who could blitz the G4 Genos that fought Sonic 55 times. I repeat, 55 TIMES. Metal Bat was able to match that Carnage Kabuto despite not being pumped up and was actually landing hits and trading blows with that base Carnage Kabuto, only losing due to having less durability, not less speed. Meanwhile a pumped up Metal Bat literally can’t land a single hit on Garou which would mean healthy human Garou would be noticeably faster than even base Carnage Kabuto and likely faster than Sonic even with tenfold funeral.
IMO. Garou when he first starts hunting heroes loses to Suiryu. Garou at level he was fighting Genos, Bang, and Bomb wins but I think it would still be semi close. People seem to forget that Suiryu has S class hero level feats, while Garou was barely able to fight the weakest of the S Class to start with and was getting bodied left and right. His climb to power was gradual and people mix up his feats chronologically too much imo.
Webcomic and Manga are two different histories. If ONE created the novel then it is canonical with Webcomic and it shouldn't be considered in this discusion. The second thing is that we can not estimate Garou disaster level because it's still growing. I think that If Suiryu fights the Hero Hunter from the fight with TTM, then Suiryu could take him
Season 2 Garou was the same, only in episode 11 and 12 he got weaker. He only becomes stronger after resting and eating there at the beginning of the third season.
I think it would make a decent match for about 4-5 min before garou gets too strong. The real problem with Suiryu is his display time is so short we don't know how he heals or improve if either of those situations happens.
An injured Garou managed to do the same feat of strength as Suiryu of breaking the stadium floor. Garou broke the ground several meters against Bang and Bomb
oh yeah and before anyone says the bs "BUT GAROU GETS STRONGER EVERY TIME HE FIGHTS!!" thing, remember he was not only fatigued, but actually couldn't see and was on the verge of passing out
Yes it would, he was able to make Homeless Emperor tired and he wasn't even moving, he just kept on getting back up over and over again until he thought he was going to die mentally. If he can tire someone with Imeasurable energy reserves who doesn't even need to move then he can tire out Garou who we have seen the limits of in Season 2.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki We didn't see Garou's limits in season 2 what are you talking about.. right when it was about to get good and when Garou went serious the monsters saved him and flew him to the monster association. My theory is that he was about to transform into a monster, but since they interrupted him we will never know what would have happened.
@@extrage3061 bro you just don't know that the manga exists?? Garou became a monster in the end and faught Saitama while evolving Three times then he gained powers from God and almost beat and evenly matched with Saitama and killed everyone on Earth as well plus they destroyed a bunch of other planets.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki homeless emperor is a human... literally everything except for his reaction speed and light ball powers are that of a human's. Garou probably has like 100x the endurance and stamina of a human.
@@someguy-hc8gi I know he's a Human, I never mentioned anywhere that Garou was less durable and weaker and slower than Homeless Emperor. Also 100x more durable is a severe understatement. If a regular Human became 100x more durable then they'd still die to a gun.
I still think ONE is hiding something about the void fist. Do you remember that moment when Saitama backed away from Suiryu's counter attempt? The fact that getting drunk makes the void fist more powerful is hilarious as well.
That's why Saitama felt that his wig would fly off. There's nothing special about this technique, in a way it's a weaker version of Bang's Exploding Heart Fist.
I honestly dont like that ONE imposed a power armor onto Suiryu, instead of honing his skill and talent like he said he would after being saved by Saitama, he relies on a cheat tool that downgraded his character quality significantly. The idea of his sister redrawn by Murata is exciting but i honestly hope Murata doesn't follow ONE's original script on how the NEO heroes works, also not killing off a certain important character and freeze Genos progression completely It's already going to be massively different with Bang reconnecting with Garou and becoming his father figure rather Garou just trying to live a normal human life and gave up on fighting I appreciate ONE for his creation of the original OPM but his ideas of making plots aren't that good, but thankfully Murata refined it to the version that everybody loves.
@@lycanbladefang4768 Garou should keep trying to live a normal life like in the WC, but Bang will tutor him. Very similar to the fan manga of god vs saitama, from which murata already took several ideas in the fight of garou vs saitama
@@lycanbladefang4768 Garou should keep trying to live a normal life like in the WC, but Bang will tutor him. Very similar to the fan manga of god vs saitama, from which murata already took several ideas in the fight of garou vs saitama
Thought there was a statement from One that sayed they were relative when it came to Martial Art skill and Talent, making conclusion 1 & 3 very subjective and not in any way conclusive. But conclusion 2 would still be more then enough for Garou to take the win.
It would be pretty close, but Garou would still Win. Garou wouldn’t be able to toy with Suiryu like he could with TTM and metal bat. They were meat heads while suiryu is also an expert martial artist who’s also in the higher Demon level. To beat garou you need to out stat him by a larger margin, or have a fighting style that garou cannot counter well.
@@sirchris6047 ? He had garou sweating when he reached a high level of fighting spirit and got knocked back again. Metal bat can eventually reach power greater than human garou his initial fighting spirit mode got shit on.
To be fair, Garou would have lost to Metal Bat if not for his sister's intervention. Metal Bat was already injured fighting Centichoro and Garou's techniques hard counter him and Tank Top. Later we know Garou lost to Dogman without being able to put a scratch on him. Garou is at best low S-Class level, anything after that is just plot armor with him gaining insane amount of strength and power through monsterization in a short amount of time, so much that he could challenge Saitama and pushed him beyond his limits. I have a feeling the author is going to make him and Suiryu both rivals given Suiryu's impending return in the Neo Hero arc. The OVA teased their "meeting" and "fight" probably as a foreshadow.
Even without scalling u have one guy who has never fought a real opponent and gets scared the moment he is overwhelmed vs. a guy who thrives in battle with stronger opponents and constantly adapts to reach their lvl. As long as they are at all comparable in stats it rly is a no brainer.
He kept fighting Gouketsu and broke Bakuzan's toe when he was told to lick it to win his freedom. What are you talking about. Recognizing that people are stronger than you, doesn't make you a coward or anything.
@@CatotheE What do u think Garou would have done in the position he was at in the end of his fight with Goketsu? Never said he was a coward just saying Garou has way mor experience with fighting strong opponents + his op adaptation hacks and what is called the ultimate marshall art in his universe while he never even rly fought on his lvl until Saitama and Goketsu. And yes sure like u said he tried to fight Goketsu but in the end was reduced to crying on the ground accepting death while Garou was during his arc beaten over and over and over again he never gave up or was scared and in the end always came back to fight the guys who previously beat him. To be blunt Suiryu was a slacker who happened to be strong he himself says he never trained or went all out in a fight, while Garou lives to fight and gets stronger every second. Honestly Garou would be able to copy all of his moves after seeing them once so what is he supposed to do against that?
@@matthiasrauert8397 Later? Definitely. Early Garou? Debatable. He did say that he sparred with his master/grandfather and that master was supposed to be a legend comparable to Bang and Bomb. Beat him? Suiryu showed that he can switch up his fighting style During the tournament and he has much better strength feats than early Garou. He broke the toe of a Dragon level monster while half dead and with one arm effortlessly. Choze couldn’t even pierce his pecs. Garou surpasses him later on. Definitely. Early Garou doesn’t and I would probably even favor Suiryu. He has better physical stats and he’s not far beneat him in skill.
@@CatotheE For me its just hard to tell if Suiryu could even do anything against the water stream rock smashing fist when its always portrayed as this hard counter to melee fighters. If u take Garou who just left the dojo i could probably see an even fight happening but its just insane how much stronger he gets with every fight in the series. Its a shame rly that Suiryu just vanished from the arc after the tournament rly would have loved to see more from him.
@@matthiasrauert8397 I don’t want to spoil anything, but he does come back. We’ll see more of him in the future. My position is that Suiryu is generally more powerful than HH Garou, but that Garou can potentially adapt and overcome it with his zenkai boosts. It’s not to the point that either one would stomp though. They’re fairly close to eachother.
In the webcomic, Suiryu wearing the Neo Hero's armor and attacking Garou with all his might, couldn't even apply pressure on Garou, who barely exerted himself.
I may be wrong but Metal Bat wasn’t being outsped entirely by Garou, whenever his hits were going to connect, Garou reflected them. So while Garou prob was as fast and maybe faster than MB, I wouldn’t say that specific fight is the reason why
Flashy flash did take sonic place but I would love to see sonic come back and get a fight along side genos or something even tho genos is probably leagues above him now
"Isn't close" hell no. I mean Garou would still win, but first of all the comparisons you made are wrong. If you are going to count "hero hunter garou" you can't take into account the medicre opponents he took previous red hair vs the ones that took Suiryu. Those heroes were C-A class, and even G5 Genos, Bomb and Bang never had the same intention than Goketsu and Bakuzan. Those monster were breaking bones and torturing, dragon lvls specially Goketsu that is high dragon. Garou was just taking punches in comparison. Suiryu had to tank Goketsu strikes and then Bakuzan broke his legs(if Suiryu was at 100% he could have an interesting fight with him, but was already broken) if you switch places with Garou he could not tank Goketsu by just water stream because his defense was not perfect, not even in pre-Spiral form vs Darkshine(he broke it) and Goketsu could break it too. Garou in that fight would end up with broken bones too without plot to save him(i mean, Garou is Garou and is more important than Suiryu). Something like running away from Watch dog man because didn't finished him(he don't go out from his city). And Suiryu, even in that state, managed to broke one of Bazukan's foot fingers while laying on the groung, with 1 arm worth of strenght. In second place you would have to nerf Garous scale for this fight. Because we just saw Suiryu without training and without scaling, in other hand Garou was growing in everyfight(just by the fact that they let him scape or the fights were so close so he would not get one shot, in contrapart of Suiryu getting straight to Goketsu(one shot G4 Genos too). So we don't know how fast Suiryu grows, but everyone knows that would grow slower than Garou because Garou was going the easy way(monsterification). If this fight goes naturally, Garou would end up being just stronger. If you cap their grows and stay in their "base" state, Garou would still win because his style is better and never stopped training(Suiryu did) but it would never be an easy fight like you stated.
you are saying " oh garou was just taking punches" but these punches are from a pissed off bang and bomb at the same time and garou felt like he was going to die. im pretty sure bang and bomb do a lot more dmg than goketsu. also i think pre spiral garou would beat goketsu . it really isnt close bang has killed so many dragon level threats and bomb is even stronger than bang and they were both beating garou where he felt like he was going to die. i am pretty sure garou would stand a lot better against goketsu than suiryu did
@@iko20101 the difference is that in no time was said that their bones were broken except in the fight vs darkshine were is specifically stated, but he regenerated because monsterification. Yeah they were pissed off but not trying to kill him, because they could do it instantly if needed. And that is relevant because when phoenix takes Garou, and Genos is preparing his attack(that elder centi tanks) Bang tells him something like "wait" and Genos responds "he is already a monster" and Bang is surprised. And no pre-spyral Garou could not take Goketsu, keep on mind his fight vs royalreaper and bug god. And yeah Garou would do a little better vs Goketsu, but that taking into account if he manages to avoid damage with his martial arts(he could not vs darkshine and that was a stronger version of Garou, and the general consensus is that Goketsu and Darkshine are pretty close ) and if Goketsu gets serious from the start. This is base Garou, if he doesn't get the chance to grow into his monster form Goketsu one shot him
@@iko20101 yes they were, they were not trying to kill him, they didn't fight the same way they did vs monster form Garou and even then Bang was trying to convince Garou and not trying to kill him, pls
Even in the matter of hand to hand combat with no special abilities(like void fist,water smashing rock fist) ,garou vs suiryu would be close, but still garou would win.Cause its shown in the chapter 2 ova of opm that garou malufunctioned the vr headset in the virtual battle between garou and suiryu cause of his speed,which suiryu couldnt.
@@Beastly_Geniusit kinda works as special abilities though. They punch and kick each other and then throw in the special attacks extra. They don’t really say when they are fighting normally that they’re using the style idk it’s hard to explain but basically you can call them a abilities and it wouldn’t make a difference so no point in differentiating void fist a martial art or ability
Suiryuu would've meant bussiness if he have unyielding spirit equal to Garou or Mumen Rider. But now that he determine himself to become a hero, with our mc he looked up to, Suiryuu will definately become stronger.
It def would be kinda close, considering in the OVA they were fighting and were somewhat relative, at least while not really trying. When Garou first starts to actually try, the thing breaks and suiryu just smacks his way to victory. Keep in mind, suiryu broke the toe of dragon level bakuzan after being beaten literally to the brink of death. If suiryu trained I have no doubt he could beat HHG, but in his current state yeah he loses maybe 7-8 times outta 10
garou got so much stronger every single fight, suiryu would have bodied the garou that fought tank top master, and i think the one that fought metal bat would have been a good fight. lets not forget that those are heroes that are not good at fighting against martial art and garou had an advantage from the getgo
Feels a like you're low balling suiryu a bit. I think it goes to Garou mid diff but I also think if you pin the Garou that fought tanktop master it'd be even more competitive. As Garou gets exponetially stronger as he fights and by the time you factor in Genos and Bang and Boom he is scaling out of control, so its a bit silly putting that garou versus just about anybody as he is already breaking his limiter at that point. I think you wrote off the voidfist a bit to fast as it is likely we haven't seen what it can do to someone who isn't invincible or fodder. And his feat of stamping the arena was clearly easy for him to do, and is honestly more impressive than picking it up and throwing it as it showed crazy precision as well as the fact that the arena exploded just from him pivoting to attack Saitama
Suiryu destroys HH Garou, and nobody realizes this because they never actually try scaling Suiryu. Suiryu completely tanked a high demon stabbing him in the chest, while Garou was pierced by an A class’s sword, got injured by a golden Bullet, and falling arrows from gravity. Garou passed out from Saitama chopping him who thought he was a rando mugger, and only creating a small crack in the ground, while Suiryu took ZERO damage from Saitama trying to look cool and completely shattering the ring he was on and launching Suiryu incredibly fast into a wall. Again, zero damage! Suiryu is also way faster as he was invisible to high level martial artists creating literal light trails like FF, while Garou was visible to B class fighters and hasn’t showed speed even close to this until way later. A red Garou in watchdog mode we can clearly see in the manga and anime was waaay slower then Suiryu in front of Gouketsu. Suiryu is also stronger as he lifted half the ring which weighs way more then a tree, and that was after Garou getting an explosive growth in power from near death. Suiryu dislocated the toe of a dragon, and blocked a light orb which is the same stuff that dented FU, which scales way above gun fire and creating a massive explosion splitting clouds unlike the tiny ones used on FU. I scale Choze as one of the highest demons, while Death Gatling is one of the highest tigers. Suiryu was competing with water stream rock smashing fist in the OVA, but if you don’t accept that, in the webcomic it was stated that Suiryu’s father was respected and vouched for by Bang and Bomb, so their style is obviously not trash. I scale Suiryu only below post Rover Garou, as Red Garou was nowhere near fast enough or durable enough for Suiryu. Rover Garou was still getting his breath knocked out of him from Rover smacking him against the walls, but Garou’s endurance would be enough. Garou started creating around the same number of afterimages as Suiryu when dodging Orochi’s horns, so his exponential speed increase would match Suiryu In post Rover form. And of course Iron cutting fist along with Water stream is crazy, so he wins I think it makes sense to say Suiryu is pretty much a prime Bang or Bomb without the divine techniques and hard work. Pretty much a modern wind of Blood Bang that got his butt handed to him by Prime bomb. If he actually trained like crazy, he would be nearly relative to Bang and Bomb just like his dad was
Let this Man cook! Another thing that would say Is a factor in Favor of Suiryu, Is that Bang and Bomb (clearly Dragon level in power) weren't trying to hurt Garou. (They were trying to just K.O'd him) While Bakuzan and Goketsu were just brutalizing Suiryu, in this video says their durability Is comparable because of It, but the difference Is that Garou was figthing against a Bomb and Bang who were clearly holding back not to hurt him, while Suiryu was brutalized by saddistic Monsters. That being said i don't think Suiryu's durability and strength aren't something Garou can't overcome. (As literally Tank Top Master outclasses Suiryu in that regard, or at the very least they're somewhat similar in durability as Tank Top Master Is clearly physically stronger). And i'm sayin' Tank Top Master and Suiryu could have similar durability Given Bakuzan did the same move on Suiryu, Fuhrer Ugly did on Tank Top Master of Smashing him on the ground, the difference being that Tank Top Master took a More lethal injury because Bakuzan was the weakest Dragon in the series while Fuhrer Ugly was a Cadre (clearly Fuhrer Ugly Is stronger and that's why he inflicted More Damage on Tank Top Master than what Bakuzan did on Suiryu). And lastly yeah Garou couldn't evade the attacks of the 8 low heroes but because he was injured from His previous battles with watchdog Man and that Kick from Saitama (who by the way Garou was able to withstand, as he literally got back up just a few moments after). So saying Suiryu Is massively Faster just because the Martial artist on the ring couldn't see them Is not a factor against Garou (who would be able to see him). I mean Garou even while poisoned and injured was able to deflect the death shower of Death Gatlin. (Considering bullets travel at the speed of sound Is not impossible for him). I say all your points are valid, but Is not like Garou gets LEFT in the dust just because Suiryu Is physically stronger and More powerful. Garou's adaptability (being able to get stronger while fighting and copy techniques) would allow him to Prolong a Battle with Suiryu till he can copy and counter His Dragon void fist. As Garou isn't really outclassed by Suiryu even if Suiryu Is physically superior. With His own Physical power, techniques and adaptability Garou should take this. (But In a high to extreme difficulty scenario).
actually base garou beats suiryu no diff suiryu surviving goketsu and bakuzan's attacks is totally irrelevant as they stated that they enjoy torturing people, they were tryna slowly damage him and give him a slow and painful death, and garou was damaged by A-class heroes when he was extremely weakened and tired, suiryu in a similar state was destroyed by the three crows that were individually overwhelmed by lighting max and sneck, weakened garou destroyed 8 A-class heroes with extreme treamwork, was on par with upgraded genos and kept up against bang and bomb who confessed they weren't holding back while weakened suiryu gets destroyed by three crows who are individually weaker then A-class heroes. And what are you reading? saitama never tried to look cool and shatter the arena, suiryu's clothes were destroyed by the air pressure of saitama's punch who purposefully stopped before hitting suiryu because he was not tryna kill him, and suiryu said that if he was even touched by that punch of saitama he would've instantly died, suiryu was literally knocked out by saitama hitting him with his ass lol. bro you are overrating the shit out of suiryu, he never created light trails, it is just because our eyes can't see enough fps, even golden ball and spring mustachio created a similar effect lol, and here you are again using feats from weakened garou, full power garou was totally invisible to metal bat that in the audiobook stood a 3 minute fight against carnage kabuto and clashed blows with him even though metal bat's fighting spirit did not replicate in the simulator (and garou fought pumped up metal bat who is much faster) and carnage kabuto speedblitzed g4 genos 55 times before he could even finish the sentence, again, suiryu reacting to goketsu is totally irrelevant since he was holding back a lot, and carnage kabuto was continuously knocking saitama in the air unlike suiryu who pushed saitama to the edge of the arena only once, so carnage kabuto is definitely faster then suiryu, if non-pumped up metal bat can react to carnage kabuto and a faster metal bat can't even land a single hit on garou, then garou is definitely faster then carnage kabuto who is faster then suiryu, garou is much much faster then suiryu. And are you saying that garou can at best lift a tree?? in a weaker form he had relative strength to genos, who already in season 1 had a 500m destroying range, garou literally created a tornado that surprised even bang and bomb that couldn't deflect or tank it and were forced to dodge it and he also destroyed all the ground around him, he lifted a tree in the process but that doesn't mean he can at best destroy a tree lmao. Also suiryu lifting the arena is irrelevant since garou destroyed tanktop master who lifted and threw kilometers and kilometers away a huge building with some heroes inside. Again, Garou deflecting death gatling's attacks is something he did while he was extremely weakened. The OVA is irrelevant since it is just a videogame, king literally defeated saitama easily in the OVA lol, and garou in the OVA deflected all of suiryu's strongest attacks with casual punches, then he said he was holding back for the whole time and he moved so fast that the game glitched, a feat that was never replicated by suiryu who unlike garou was going all out. yeah suiryu's techniques are trash, he invented them on his own and he said that they don't really help him since he mostly fights against opponents that are much weaker than him such as lighting max and sneck, while garou learned his techniques in a dojo of martial artists that are way more powerful then suiryu like bang and bomb, they can deflect the opponent's attacks and send them back with twice the force, and they allowed garou to defeat opponents that were physycally stronger then him such as metal bat. No suiryu is not even remotely close to the garou who foought overgrown rover, rover wasn't holding back against garou, he was going all out, while goketsu who is weaker then rover destroyed suiryu while playing with him for the whole time. Also base garou destroys suiryu easily, garou is much faster so he would easily dodge anything suiryu tries to throw at him and he also has much better techniques, and he would take down suiryu in a couple of seconds. even assuming that suiryu is more powerful then base garou (which is one of the stupidest statements in existence) garou would just keep getting stronger and win due to much better stamina.
I agree. I always took Suiryu as the pinnacle of normal human ability. And I think he ranks himself based on his history with organized martial arts fights; however, this does not compare to a fight to the death against literal monsters and no rules. And thanks to Amai Mask interference with heroes being ranked S class, there is a massive gap in power between A2 and the bottom tier S hero. I think Suiryu could beat most of the S tier heroes in a martial arts fight with rules, limits and a referee, but would like be killed by in short order in a real fight to the death against most of the A tier in my opinion.
Suiryu is definitely A-Class and he hasn't trained in years. He said that he half assed it his whole life. He was just born strong. If he trained, it's not at all inconceivable that he could reach the level of people like Bang and Bomb (not say that you said he can't).
The gap is not that big. Iaian is definitely a powerful hero, managing to dodge bullets when they've already been fired, as well as having enough strength to break the Tatsumaki barrier that not even BS was able to crack. The irony of this is that physically Iaian could knock out Atomic Samurai, his master, since he was beaten by the BS just at the base of the punch.
@@lucaslima9792 Suiryu has to be the most underrated character in the series. Him or Darkshine. Suiko has potential and I can see her eventually making it to S-Class, but she actually trains hard. Suiryu messed around his whole life and made it to lower S-Class. He almost certainly has more potential.
The first thing he says in the video is hero hunter Garou and Suiryu are the two best martial artists we've seen in the series. So we just gonna act like Bang and Bomb don't exist?
Imagine if Garou had the natural physical strength of Suiryu. Garou had the perfect mind and will(especially in a world where not giving up when on death’s door makes you stronger) and Suiryu had the perfect body(hadn’t trained in years but was still blitzing most of his opponents)
At best their equal with Garou having a better technique, adaptivity, and endurance/willpower At worst Garou has a strength and speed advantage along with everything above. I dont think Garou ever really loses this either its just in his character to exploit his advantages. I always wondered how this fight would go and always thought even if suiryu was stronger then Garou, Garou would likely just keep fighting and win through his adapting, durability, and endurance.
Suiryu takes this, after being heavily injured and having fought a roaster of monsters he gets beat up by a dragon level monster relentlessly and survives without even being knocked out, garou got stomped any time he faced dragon level threats even later in the story until he monsterised
You mean the version that fought Saitama or PS?? It's not even close. If the manga adapts WC then Genos will fight Flashy flash, and it will become clear that Flashy did not consider Genos an opponent his equal in speed. So no, Garou still takes it. If you mean the Garou who fought Bang then it gets closer. But still Garou has the advantage in strength since he is much stronger than Darkshine. Maybe the cannons hurt him but I believe his regeneration is enough, since not even having his ribs and heart crushed was enough to kill the previous version of Monster Garou.
eh suiryu did low dif a like mid demon in choze who i'd scale to ttm who severely injured garou. tbh i'd scale suiryu to anime sonic or like hydrated deep sea king. goes either way to me
Let's just say Suiryu has some very "dedicated" fans out there. This and the whole point of the martial arts tournement plot line flew over a lotta peoples heads. The assumption that some character could perform like Garou did against TTM just because they're martial artists seems to be really popular for this very reason.
Platinum Sperm would be a similar opponent to PsykOrochi to Tatsumaki. Only a problem because Tatsumaki is compromised in some way such as being forced to hold back or severely injured already.
Well if Siryu can beat Demon Cyborg Genos, then he can beat Hero Hunter Garou. That's the question I ask myself. Can Siryu beat Genos? Personally I think not. But my opinion is just that. So if Genos nearly killed HHG.... Then if Siryu can beat Genos, tand he would have ended Garou before he could evolve. But I REALLY think Garou would CRUSH Siryu, demon hunter or not. Because I doubt Siryu could endure any of Genos fire and electric atttacks.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092Yep but this is a stronger Garou than the Season 2 version. The manga hinted that this post-monster association Garou is a spiral garou level, since in chapter 171 he didn't mention Darkshine as one of the enemies he needs to face to get strong again.
Garou was insane even before all of his transformations, he was top tier S-Hero level at the start ( so much so he beat a couple of S-heroes) and Suiryu was barely S-Hero level
@@horold2329Well, Darkshine said that if Garou had met the top S class he would have been killed. What implies that he is middle level S class. In terms of physical combat and strength he was more dangerous than Puri puri; TTM; Metal bat; Pig God and Zombieman ( I'm talking about strength, I'm not counting his regeneration )
I don't think garou is faster than pumped metal bat i think the key factor here was garou's skill since in martial arts garou knows about garou can predict other opponents movements before they even move by seeing the way they stand and knowing their center of body balance compared to to the center of gravity even if that last part was not with base garou i think garou knowing the move before the opponent attack is what makes garou appear to be faster.
@@PerSon-xg3zr yeah will power+ his weaker version was already resisted to weak pscyhic powers and monster garou can adapt and and resist those attacks more quicker
Your logic is flawed. Metal bat lasting longer against an opponent than genos does not make him faster than genos. Matchup scaling does not equal stat scaling. Terrible tornado is not a better swordsmen than atomic samurai even though she can defeat cadre members he cannot. Simple no?
@@CatotheE When did I say that saitama was trying to kill garou? You literally replied to my comment and tried to disprove something I didn't even say. and suiryu scales at best to hydrated deep sea king lol, garou no diffs him.
@@casbuxMadai Freaking delusional. While he was half dead from being beaten by Gouketsu and tortured by Bakuzan, he was still able to effortlessly break Bakuzan’s toe with one arm. DSK arguably wouldn’t have even beaten that version of Genoa if he didn’t sacrifice himself to protect the child.
@@CatotheE Bakuzan and goketsu were holding back the whole time against suiryu, they said they enjoy torturing people, they could've killed him in a second if they wanted to, but they didn't because they were tryna give him a slow and painful death. weakened suiryu was overwhelmed by the three crows who were individually weaker then lighting max and sneck while weakened garou defeated 8 A-class heroes with extreme teamwork and he kept up against genos, bang and bomb who confessed they weren't holding back lol. Garou wins easily.
This is Early Garou , Not current
Note : I Scripted , Recorded and Edited this video while being Sick of toxicated food , please do mind my voice , as it seems weird in some parts , other than that Please do Enjoy
monster Garou vs tatsumaki
Oh no, I'm sorry about your food poisoning. But don't worry, your voice sounds fine. I didn't notice it sounding any different, whether that's a good or bad thing lol
no way i couldnt tell
I wonder how strong Garou actually is now. I think he is like a Bangs level after he lost to saitama
@@cosmicprog1 He's probably as strong as he was in his hero hunting days now. Since his monster shell broke off and he lost the power God gave him.
I know Garou takes this. But to be a little fair with Suiryu, he states that he hasn't trained in YEARS. Imagine how more powerful he would be if he took his training more seriously and didn't stoped training.
Oh yeah, and Garou is 18. The time Suiryu went without training was the time it took Garou to go from being a civilian to an S-Class level.
Agreed, but His while Point is that He IS weak in Charakter, so idk, until His Charakter developes from the Version that cryed for a Hero, i dont think He can Develope that much
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Garou was always strong. Definitely didn't start off at S-Class level, but he was always physically strong. Remember when he shattered those bricks in Bang's dojo when he was still a white belt?
@@lucaslima9792ah yes. It definitely wasn't due to insane luck, and broken Zenkai boosts
@@Picmanreborn Why luck?
"The OVA is not in the manga, therefore it's not canon"
*Proceeds to use the audiobooks as his main source of info*
Prof Fictions take on the OVA is better: “Garou has gotten way stronger since then and Suiryu has become more rusty since then.”
Even not considering Audiobooks , Garou would win against Suiryu in mid...
@@notjogagamer27 I feel like it'd be an extremely close matchup. Watch Suiryu's match with Saitama and Choze. His speed and power is enough to give Garou a tough time.
I know Garou wins this, but can we talk about what would happen if they met as students? Suiryu's cocky character seems exactly like what Garou hates the most. And since Suiryu and Suiko were trained by their grandpa since childhood, they'd be stronger, turning into a rival/obstacle for young Garou. Honestly I'd read a whole manga of that.
I can see the argument that early Garou beats Suiryu, but I don't believe at all that it "isn't close".
suiryu at that time Vs gaou at that time. is a lot closer
that’s literally what he’s doing.
Yep, anything after that in the monster association arc is just plot armor. No way he gain so much power in a few days enough to challenge Saitama and push him beyond his limits. The author eventually make Garou lost all that power he gained and he is now back to square one. So people should just stick with Garou's base strength, not plot armor strength. Garou definitely beat Tank Top master, but that is largely due to having superior technique that hard counters him. But even when he hard counters Metal Bat too, he only managed to draw or perhaps would have lost if not for MB's sister's intervention. Not to mention MB was already injured fighting Centichoro. And then we know that Garou lost to Dogman without even as much as putting a scratch on him. He was utterly defeated and toyed with by the rank 12 S-class. So Garou's base level would be low level S-Class hero, probably somewhere close to Demon Cyborg's level. I'd imagine Suiryu's level to be at around the same level. Sonic and Genos, Garou and Suiryu could be a nice pair of rivals.
I would actually say Suiryu should easily defeat Garou. His performance during the Martial Arts Tournament was beyond anything we've seen from human Garou PRIOR to him copying techniques of other heroes and growing stronger from those encounters. I mean, just compare their feats unamped:
Suiryu: Defeated every single opponent with one kick, and that included very powerful A class heroes and martial artists who would be on comparable level.
Garou: Struggled to defeat A class heroes several times, including Golden Ball and Spring Mustachio, who were both able to injure him and caused him serious trouble before eventually being defeated.
Suiryu: Fights a demon or above level monster Chose head on and defeated him a matter of moments, he barely gets scratched in the process.
Garou: Fights Tank Top Master, who is equivallent to a demon level monster, more or less, and gets trashed and wounded very badly. Eventually he wins of course, but still.
Suiryu: Faces off against Saitama and gives him an impressive fight. Of course, Saitama wasn't serious at all, but he was at least amused by Suiryu's skills and inspired by him somewhat.
Garou: Faces off against Saitama and gets one tapped while mistaken for a regular human thief, twice in a row.
Suiryu: Performs in front of Genos, and Genos was not only impressed to a great extent, but also concludes from watching him, that he is up to the task of impressing Saitama.
Garou: Fights Genos (was already amped significantly at that point) but is called fodder and a waste of time by him several times.
Of course, Garou's feats get better and better even as a human and he eventually outperforms Suiryu by a lot... but base human Garou? Doesn't stand a chance actually.
You said Suiryu was as fast as genos with no reason why Suiryu wouldn't be faster, then said that him flipping half the ring was his best strength feat even though there is no indication that is his limit, and then said that his durability was worse because he didn't get back up even though the monster he was facing was someone who destroyed genos with no trouble and genos thought they would need to gather all the s class heros along side saitama to be able to take him down, while garou's opponest were people likely much weaker than the monster based on genos's statement regarding the strength of the monster. I don't see this as a way to prove anything it seems more like there is just no way to compare the 2 simply because we just don't know their limits.
just look at professor fiction's video on this topic.
Garou stomps.
he never said flipping the ring was the strongest thing he can do, he just said his strongest feat as in that is the strongest thing we have seen from him but that doesnt mean that is all he can do
Your right also Suiryu also kicked away a laser beam that has city level force or at least in the manga in the anime it would be a Mountain level threat
I don't think this would be such an easy win for Garou.
I think everybody knows that Garou takes this fight. Its just the matter of seeing how much an encounter like this would shape up Suiryu in the aftermath and just how much his latent talent will keep him afloat in the battle that people really wanna see.
I'm usually with you... 8:23
But Garou was still too green, i figure the Water stream Rock Smashing fist can deflect the damage back to the opponent once it gets mastered. (As Darkshine told Garou he was still too green and was still far from perfect).
In all his previous battles: yes he was able to deflect the enemy strikes but he was never able to return a strike the way Bang did on Fuhrer Ugly.
And i mean Garou's defense wasn't perfect either, Genos Was able to land a decent amount of hits, also Bug God, Darkshine and Suiryu in the videogame.
Garou perfected his martial arts as a side effect of turning into a monster, as Bang said during their fight.
Given Suiryu is Also skilled he should land even more strikes on Garou compared to most of the previous foes Garou had to face.
But Garou would still beat him, but because of his adaptability.
I would say Suiryu would give him a good fight, but yeah Garou would win.
I just don't think is a one sided stomp.
Genos is stronger than Suiryu, Genos gave more work than Suiryu would. Whatchdog man was putting his paw in Garou's hand, it was strength and speed and not technique, the same case was with Genos. Genos is much less skilled than Garou because he doesn't know martial art, but managed to land a few hits because of his speed and the state of Garou.
Suiryu would not be able to overcome Garou's defense, he has movement prediction and honestly he is much slower than Genos, in the way being a difficult battle
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Suiryu Is a lot More skilled so by default he should land More strikes than what Genos could.
The Genos that fought Garou wasn't leagues above Suiryu (physically), what makes Genos powerful Is his firepower.
@@CameraPunk5049 Physically Genos has the same physical strength as TTM, as stated by the Garou himself. Genos is also as fast as Sonic in base form. That if you add to the cannons make it a very complicated opponent
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Yes he Is as Strong as Tank Top master, but he isn't nearly as fast as Sonic, that's straight up a lie when they fougth Genos couldn't land a hit on Sonic other than Pulling His hair.... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Jokes aside, Sonic's after images proven to be too fast for Genos, later when Genos fougth Awakened Cockroach, he admitted Sonic was way Faster. Yes He got upgraded but His upgrades were literally greater firepower and versatility (with His jet Drive arrow and His body parts that can be deattached).
Genos in the webcomic fought Garou with the same upgrade he fought against Sonic and Garou said the same about him (that he was as strong as Tank Top master).
So nah Genos isn't as fast as Sonic and i mean the strength of Tank Top Master isn't anything special to Suiryu Given he took blows from 2 dragons. (That's not a factor).
But Genos with those upgrades wasn't as fast as Sonic.
@@CameraPunk5049 Garou’s speed scaling is likely higher than Sonics. Garou is faster than a pumped up Metal Bat who, in a non pumped up state, matched base Carnage Kabuto who could blitz the G4 Genos that fought Sonic 55 times. I repeat, 55 TIMES. Metal Bat was able to match that Carnage Kabuto despite not being pumped up and was actually landing hits and trading blows with that base Carnage Kabuto, only losing due to having less durability, not less speed. Meanwhile a pumped up Metal Bat literally can’t land a single hit on Garou which would mean healthy human Garou would be noticeably faster than even base Carnage Kabuto and likely faster than Sonic even with tenfold funeral.
IMO. Garou when he first starts hunting heroes loses to Suiryu. Garou at level he was fighting Genos, Bang, and Bomb wins but I think it would still be semi close. People seem to forget that Suiryu has S class hero level feats, while Garou was barely able to fight the weakest of the S Class to start with and was getting bodied left and right. His climb to power was gradual and people mix up his feats chronologically too much imo.
Webcomic and Manga are two different histories. If ONE created the novel then it is canonical with Webcomic and it shouldn't be considered in this discusion.
The second thing is that we can not estimate Garou disaster level because it's still growing.
I think that If Suiryu fights the Hero Hunter from the fight with TTM, then Suiryu could take him
Season 2 Garou was the same, only in episode 11 and 12 he got weaker. He only becomes stronger after resting and eating there at the beginning of the third season.
@@lucaslima9792 Please stop basing on the anime series... BTW There is no proof that Garou didn't get stronger from the very start, since he appeared
I think it would make a decent match for about 4-5 min before garou gets too strong. The real problem with Suiryu is his display time is so short we don't know how he heals or improve if either of those situations happens.
3rd video asking for Glasses vs Muman Rider :D
An injured Garou managed to do the same feat of strength as Suiryu of breaking the stadium floor. Garou broke the ground several meters against Bang and Bomb
oh yeah and before anyone says the bs "BUT GAROU GETS STRONGER EVERY TIME HE FIGHTS!!" thing, remember he was not only fatigued, but actually couldn't see and was on the verge of passing out
That was an explosive growth in strength. Due to near death.
He was pre awaken at that point.
@@Handsomeguy-kj2jgisn't this just copied Tank Top Master's ground punch?
Garoo, Sweeryoo... your pronunciations are everything
fun fact: they actually fought once in a video game. Garou only lost because the game couldnt keep up with his speed.
Talent VS Talent and Dedication.
Leaving aside Void being countered by Water.
Make a Garou vs Zombieman. Will Zombieman's tiring strategy work on Season 2's Garou??
Yes it would, he was able to make Homeless Emperor tired and he wasn't even moving, he just kept on getting back up over and over again until he thought he was going to die mentally. If he can tire someone with Imeasurable energy reserves who doesn't even need to move then he can tire out Garou who we have seen the limits of in Season 2.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki We didn't see Garou's limits in season 2 what are you talking about.. right when it was about to get good and when Garou went serious the monsters saved him and flew him to the monster association. My theory is that he was about to transform into a monster, but since they interrupted him we will never know what would have happened.
@@extrage3061 bro you just don't know that the manga exists?? Garou became a monster in the end and faught Saitama while evolving Three times then he gained powers from God and almost beat and evenly matched with Saitama and killed everyone on Earth as well plus they destroyed a bunch of other planets.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki homeless emperor is a human... literally everything except for his reaction speed and light ball powers are that of a human's. Garou probably has like 100x the endurance and stamina of a human.
@@someguy-hc8gi I know he's a Human, I never mentioned anywhere that Garou was less durable and weaker and slower than Homeless Emperor. Also 100x more durable is a severe understatement. If a regular Human became 100x more durable then they'd still die to a gun.
Suiryu is very underrated hes at least bottom tier S class
I still think ONE is hiding something about the void fist. Do you remember that moment when Saitama backed away from Suiryu's counter attempt? The fact that getting drunk makes the void fist more powerful is hilarious as well.
That's why Saitama felt that his wig would fly off. There's nothing special about this technique, in a way it's a weaker version of Bang's Exploding Heart Fist.
@@lucaslima9792 That's what I thought as well but I'm really not sure now.
I honestly dont like that ONE imposed a power armor onto Suiryu, instead of honing his skill and talent like he said he would after being saved by Saitama, he relies on a cheat tool that downgraded his character quality significantly.
The idea of his sister redrawn by Murata is exciting but i honestly hope Murata doesn't follow ONE's original script on how the NEO heroes works, also not killing off a certain important character and freeze Genos progression completely
It's already going to be massively different with Bang reconnecting with Garou and becoming his father figure rather Garou just trying to live a normal human life and gave up on fighting
I appreciate ONE for his creation of the original OPM but his ideas of making plots aren't that good, but thankfully Murata refined it to the version that everybody loves.
@@lycanbladefang4768 Garou should keep trying to live a normal life like in the WC, but Bang will tutor him. Very similar to the fan manga of god vs saitama, from which murata already took several ideas in the fight of garou vs saitama
@@lycanbladefang4768 Garou should keep trying to live a normal life like in the WC, but Bang will tutor him. Very similar to the fan manga of god vs saitama, from which murata already took several ideas in the fight of garou vs saitama
Thought there was a statement from One that sayed they were relative when it came to Martial Art skill and Talent, making conclusion 1 & 3 very subjective and not in any way conclusive. But conclusion 2 would still be more then enough for Garou to take the win.
You're kidding, right?? At that time Garou knew 9 martial arts, while Suiryu only knows one.
It would be pretty close, but Garou would still Win.
Garou wouldn’t be able to toy with Suiryu like he could with TTM and metal bat. They were meat heads while suiryu is also an expert martial artist who’s also in the higher Demon level.
To beat garou you need to out stat him by a larger margin, or have a fighting style that garou cannot counter well.
like the hero dog
metal bat had garou hauling ass
@@sirchris6047 ? He had garou sweating when he reached a high level of fighting spirit and got knocked back again.
Metal bat can eventually reach power greater than human garou his initial fighting spirit mode got shit on.
Or just being an absolute power like Caped baldy.
To be fair, Garou would have lost to Metal Bat if not for his sister's intervention. Metal Bat was already injured fighting Centichoro and Garou's techniques hard counter him and Tank Top. Later we know Garou lost to Dogman without being able to put a scratch on him. Garou is at best low S-Class level, anything after that is just plot armor with him gaining insane amount of strength and power through monsterization in a short amount of time, so much that he could challenge Saitama and pushed him beyond his limits. I have a feeling the author is going to make him and Suiryu both rivals given Suiryu's impending return in the Neo Hero arc. The OVA teased their "meeting" and "fight" probably as a foreshadow.
Even without scalling u have one guy who has never fought a real opponent and gets scared the moment he is overwhelmed vs. a guy who thrives in battle with stronger opponents and constantly adapts to reach their lvl. As long as they are at all comparable in stats it rly is a no brainer.
He kept fighting Gouketsu and broke Bakuzan's toe when he was told to lick it to win his freedom. What are you talking about. Recognizing that people are stronger than you, doesn't make you a coward or anything.
@@CatotheE What do u think Garou would have done in the position he was at in the end of his fight with Goketsu?
Never said he was a coward just saying Garou has way mor experience with fighting strong opponents + his op adaptation hacks and what is called the ultimate marshall art in his universe while he never even rly fought on his lvl until Saitama and Goketsu.
And yes sure like u said he tried to fight Goketsu but in the end was reduced to crying on the ground accepting death while Garou was during his arc beaten over and over and over again he never gave up or was scared and in the end always came back to fight the guys who previously beat him.
To be blunt Suiryu was a slacker who happened to be strong he himself says he never trained or went all out in a fight, while Garou lives to fight and gets stronger every second. Honestly Garou would be able to copy all of his moves after seeing them once so what is he supposed to do against that?
@@matthiasrauert8397 Later? Definitely. Early Garou? Debatable. He did say that he sparred with his master/grandfather and that master was supposed to be a legend comparable to Bang and Bomb. Beat him? Suiryu showed that he can switch up his fighting style During the tournament and he has much better strength feats than early Garou. He broke the toe of a Dragon level monster while half dead and with one arm effortlessly. Choze couldn’t even pierce his pecs. Garou surpasses him later on. Definitely. Early Garou doesn’t and I would probably even favor Suiryu. He has better physical stats and he’s not far beneat him in skill.
@@CatotheE For me its just hard to tell if Suiryu could even do anything against the water stream rock smashing fist when its always portrayed as this hard counter to melee fighters. If u take Garou who just left the dojo i could probably see an even fight happening but its just insane how much stronger he gets with every fight in the series. Its a shame rly that Suiryu just vanished from the arc after the tournament rly would have loved to see more from him.
@@matthiasrauert8397 I don’t want to spoil anything, but he does come back. We’ll see more of him in the future. My position is that Suiryu is generally more powerful than HH Garou, but that Garou can potentially adapt and overcome it with his zenkai boosts. It’s not to the point that either one would stomp though. They’re fairly close to eachother.
In the webcomic, Suiryu wearing the Neo Hero's armor and attacking Garou with all his might, couldn't even apply pressure on Garou, who barely exerted himself.
Suiryu has the strength but lacks the strength of will Garou has.
I may be wrong but Metal Bat wasn’t being outsped entirely by Garou, whenever his hits were going to connect, Garou reflected them. So while Garou prob was as fast and maybe faster than MB, I wouldn’t say that specific fight is the reason why
Metal Bat was mainly just way too predictable.
@@myusername3689 Metal Bat was too predictable and even then Garou almost died
@@ClovenOnesYeah because Garou underestimated his endurance.
Flashy flash did take sonic place but I would love to see sonic come back and get a fight along side genos or something even tho genos is probably leagues above him now
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"Isn't close" hell no. I mean Garou would still win, but first of all the comparisons you made are wrong. If you are going to count "hero hunter garou" you can't take into account the medicre opponents he took previous red hair vs the ones that took Suiryu. Those heroes were C-A class, and even G5 Genos, Bomb and Bang never had the same intention than Goketsu and Bakuzan. Those monster were breaking bones and torturing, dragon lvls specially Goketsu that is high dragon. Garou was just taking punches in comparison. Suiryu had to tank Goketsu strikes and then Bakuzan broke his legs(if Suiryu was at 100% he could have an interesting fight with him, but was already broken) if you switch places with Garou he could not tank Goketsu by just water stream because his defense was not perfect, not even in pre-Spiral form vs Darkshine(he broke it) and Goketsu could break it too. Garou in that fight would end up with broken bones too without plot to save him(i mean, Garou is Garou and is more important than Suiryu). Something like running away from Watch dog man because didn't finished him(he don't go out from his city). And Suiryu, even in that state, managed to broke one of Bazukan's foot fingers while laying on the groung, with 1 arm worth of strenght. In second place you would have to nerf Garous scale for this fight. Because we just saw Suiryu without training and without scaling, in other hand Garou was growing in everyfight(just by the fact that they let him scape or the fights were so close so he would not get one shot, in contrapart of Suiryu getting straight to Goketsu(one shot G4 Genos too). So we don't know how fast Suiryu grows, but everyone knows that would grow slower than Garou because Garou was going the easy way(monsterification). If this fight goes naturally, Garou would end up being just stronger. If you cap their grows and stay in their "base" state, Garou would still win because his style is better and never stopped training(Suiryu did) but it would never be an easy fight like you stated.
you are saying " oh garou was just taking punches" but these punches are from a pissed off bang and bomb at the same time and garou felt like he was going to die. im pretty sure bang and bomb do a lot more dmg than goketsu. also i think pre spiral garou would beat goketsu . it really isnt close bang has killed so many dragon level threats and bomb is even stronger than bang and they were both beating garou where he felt like he was going to die. i am pretty sure garou would stand a lot better against goketsu than suiryu did
@@iko20101 the difference is that in no time was said that their bones were broken except in the fight vs darkshine were is specifically stated, but he regenerated because monsterification. Yeah they were pissed off but not trying to kill him, because they could do it instantly if needed. And that is relevant because when phoenix takes Garou, and Genos is preparing his attack(that elder centi tanks) Bang tells him something like "wait" and Genos responds "he is already a monster" and Bang is surprised. And no pre-spyral Garou could not take Goketsu, keep on mind his fight vs royalreaper and bug god. And yeah Garou would do a little better vs Goketsu, but that taking into account if he manages to avoid damage with his martial arts(he could not vs darkshine and that was a stronger version of Garou, and the general consensus is that Goketsu and Darkshine are pretty close ) and if Goketsu gets serious from the start. This is base Garou, if he doesn't get the chance to grow into his monster form Goketsu one shot him
@@gonzalopanizza bang and bomb were not holding back btw it has been stated
@@iko20101 yes they were, they were not trying to kill him, they didn't fight the same way they did vs monster form Garou and even then Bang was trying to convince Garou and not trying to kill him, pls
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Even in the matter of hand to hand combat with no special abilities(like void fist,water smashing rock fist) ,garou vs suiryu would be close, but still garou would win.Cause its shown in the chapter 2 ova of opm that garou malufunctioned the vr headset in the virtual battle between garou and suiryu cause of his speed,which suiryu couldnt.
Not that Suiryu couldn't. Garou started taking it up a notch, before Suiryu did
Not that Suiryu couldn't, just that Garou did it first
Void fist & WSRS aren’t special abilities they’re both literal martial art styles. Also no Garou just started gettin serious before Suiryu
@@Beastly_Geniusit kinda works as special abilities though. They punch and kick each other and then throw in the special attacks extra. They don’t really say when they are fighting normally that they’re using the style idk it’s hard to explain but basically you can call them a abilities and it wouldn’t make a difference so no point in differentiating void fist a martial art or ability
Both weren't serious, but Garou did it first. Usually the one who gets serious first wouldn't winning.
Suiryuu would've meant bussiness if he have unyielding spirit equal to Garou or Mumen Rider.
But now that he determine himself to become a hero, with our mc he looked up to, Suiryuu will definately become stronger.
Garou is giving suiryu the prime bang treatment 💀
It def would be kinda close, considering in the OVA they were fighting and were somewhat relative, at least while not really trying. When Garou first starts to actually try, the thing breaks and suiryu just smacks his way to victory. Keep in mind, suiryu broke the toe of dragon level bakuzan after being beaten literally to the brink of death. If suiryu trained I have no doubt he could beat HHG, but in his current state yeah he loses maybe 7-8 times outta 10
garou got so much stronger every single fight, suiryu would have bodied the garou that fought tank top master, and i think the one that fought metal bat would have been a good fight. lets not forget that those are heroes that are not good at fighting against martial art and garou had an advantage from the getgo
I think garou is has more endurance than durability
sweating upwards is a solid argument, though
Feels a like you're low balling suiryu a bit.
I think it goes to Garou mid diff but I also think if you pin the Garou that fought tanktop master it'd be even more competitive. As Garou gets exponetially stronger as he fights and by the time you factor in Genos and Bang and Boom he is scaling out of control, so its a bit silly putting that garou versus just about anybody as he is already breaking his limiter at that point.
I think you wrote off the voidfist a bit to fast as it is likely we haven't seen what it can do to someone who isn't invincible or fodder.
And his feat of stamping the arena was clearly easy for him to do, and is honestly more impressive than picking it up and throwing it as it showed crazy precision as well as the fact that the arena exploded just from him pivoting to attack Saitama
Suiryu destroys HH Garou, and nobody realizes this because they never actually try scaling Suiryu.
Suiryu completely tanked a high demon stabbing him in the chest, while Garou was pierced by an A class’s sword, got injured by a golden Bullet, and falling arrows from gravity.
Garou passed out from Saitama chopping him who thought he was a rando mugger, and only creating a small crack in the ground, while Suiryu took ZERO damage from Saitama trying to look cool and completely shattering the ring he was on and launching Suiryu incredibly fast into a wall. Again, zero damage!
Suiryu is also way faster as he was invisible to high level martial artists creating literal light trails like FF, while Garou was visible to B class fighters and hasn’t showed speed even close to this until way later. A red Garou in watchdog mode we can clearly see in the manga and anime was waaay slower then Suiryu in front of Gouketsu.
Suiryu is also stronger as he lifted half the ring which weighs way more then a tree, and that was after Garou getting an explosive growth in power from near death. Suiryu dislocated the toe of a dragon, and blocked a light orb which is the same stuff that dented FU, which scales way above gun fire and creating a massive explosion splitting clouds unlike the tiny ones used on FU. I scale Choze as one of the highest demons, while Death Gatling is one of the highest tigers.
Suiryu was competing with water stream rock smashing fist in the OVA, but if you don’t accept that, in the webcomic it was stated that Suiryu’s father was respected and vouched for by Bang and Bomb, so their style is obviously not trash.
I scale Suiryu only below post Rover Garou, as Red Garou was nowhere near fast enough or durable enough for Suiryu. Rover Garou was still getting his breath knocked out of him from Rover smacking him against the walls, but Garou’s endurance would be enough. Garou started creating around the same number of afterimages as Suiryu when dodging Orochi’s horns, so his exponential speed increase would match Suiryu In post Rover form. And of course Iron cutting fist along with Water stream is crazy, so he wins
I think it makes sense to say Suiryu is pretty much a prime Bang or Bomb without the divine techniques and hard work. Pretty much a modern wind of Blood Bang that got his butt handed to him by Prime bomb. If he actually trained like crazy, he would be nearly relative to Bang and Bomb just like his dad was
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Another thing that would say Is a factor in Favor of Suiryu, Is that Bang and Bomb (clearly Dragon level in power) weren't trying to hurt Garou. (They were trying to just K.O'd him) While Bakuzan and Goketsu were just brutalizing Suiryu, in this video says their durability Is comparable because of It, but the difference Is that Garou was figthing against a Bomb and Bang who were clearly holding back not to hurt him, while Suiryu was brutalized by saddistic Monsters.
That being said i don't think Suiryu's durability and strength aren't something Garou can't overcome. (As literally Tank Top Master outclasses Suiryu in that regard, or at the very least they're somewhat similar in durability as Tank Top Master Is clearly physically stronger). And i'm sayin' Tank Top Master and Suiryu could have similar durability Given Bakuzan did the same move on Suiryu, Fuhrer Ugly did on Tank Top Master of Smashing him on the ground, the difference being that Tank Top Master took a More lethal injury because Bakuzan was the weakest Dragon in the series while Fuhrer Ugly was a Cadre (clearly Fuhrer Ugly Is stronger and that's why he inflicted More Damage on Tank Top Master than what Bakuzan did on Suiryu).
And lastly yeah Garou couldn't evade the attacks of the 8 low heroes but because he was injured from His previous battles with watchdog Man and that Kick from Saitama (who by the way Garou was able to withstand, as he literally got back up just a few moments after).
So saying Suiryu Is massively Faster just because the Martial artist on the ring couldn't see them Is not a factor against Garou (who would be able to see him). I mean Garou even while poisoned and injured was able to deflect the death shower of Death Gatlin. (Considering bullets travel at the speed of sound Is not impossible for him).
I say all your points are valid, but Is not like Garou gets LEFT in the dust just because Suiryu Is physically stronger and More powerful.
Garou's adaptability (being able to get stronger while fighting and copy techniques) would allow him to Prolong a Battle with Suiryu till he can copy and counter His Dragon void fist.
As Garou isn't really outclassed by Suiryu even if Suiryu Is physically superior. With His own Physical power, techniques and adaptability Garou should take this. (But In a high to extreme difficulty scenario).
Suiryu is massively underrated tbh.
actually base garou beats suiryu no diff
suiryu surviving goketsu and bakuzan's attacks is totally irrelevant as they stated that they enjoy torturing people, they were tryna slowly damage him and give him a slow and painful death, and garou was damaged by A-class heroes when he was extremely weakened and tired, suiryu in a similar state was destroyed by the three crows that were individually overwhelmed by lighting max and sneck, weakened garou destroyed 8 A-class heroes with extreme treamwork, was on par with upgraded genos and kept up against bang and bomb who confessed they weren't holding back while weakened suiryu gets destroyed by three crows who are individually weaker then A-class heroes.
And what are you reading? saitama never tried to look cool and shatter the arena, suiryu's clothes were destroyed by the air pressure of saitama's punch who purposefully stopped before hitting suiryu because he was not tryna kill him, and suiryu said that if he was even touched by that punch of saitama he would've instantly died, suiryu was literally knocked out by saitama hitting him with his ass lol.
bro you are overrating the shit out of suiryu, he never created light trails, it is just because our eyes can't see enough fps, even golden ball and spring mustachio created a similar effect lol, and here you are again using feats from weakened garou, full power garou was totally invisible to metal bat that in the audiobook stood a 3 minute fight against carnage kabuto and clashed blows with him even though metal bat's fighting spirit did not replicate in the simulator (and garou fought pumped up metal bat who is much faster) and carnage kabuto speedblitzed g4 genos 55 times before he could even finish the sentence, again, suiryu reacting to goketsu is totally irrelevant since he was holding back a lot, and carnage kabuto was continuously knocking saitama in the air unlike suiryu who pushed saitama to the edge of the arena only once, so carnage kabuto is definitely faster then suiryu, if non-pumped up metal bat can react to carnage kabuto and a faster metal bat can't even land a single hit on garou, then garou is definitely faster then carnage kabuto who is faster then suiryu, garou is much much faster then suiryu.
And are you saying that garou can at best lift a tree?? in a weaker form he had relative strength to genos, who already in season 1 had a 500m destroying range, garou literally created a tornado that surprised even bang and bomb that couldn't deflect or tank it and were forced to dodge it and he also destroyed all the ground around him, he lifted a tree in the process but that doesn't mean he can at best destroy a tree lmao. Also suiryu lifting the arena is irrelevant since garou destroyed tanktop master who lifted and threw kilometers and kilometers away a huge building with some heroes inside. Again, Garou deflecting death gatling's attacks is something he did while he was extremely weakened.
The OVA is irrelevant since it is just a videogame, king literally defeated saitama easily in the OVA lol, and garou in the OVA deflected all of suiryu's strongest attacks with casual punches, then he said he was holding back for the whole time and he moved so fast that the game glitched, a feat that was never replicated by suiryu who unlike garou was going all out. yeah suiryu's techniques are trash, he invented them on his own and he said that they don't really help him since he mostly fights against opponents that are much weaker than him such as lighting max and sneck, while garou learned his techniques in a dojo of martial artists that are way more powerful then suiryu like bang and bomb, they can deflect the opponent's attacks and send them back with twice the force, and they allowed garou to defeat opponents that were physycally stronger then him such as metal bat.
No suiryu is not even remotely close to the garou who foought overgrown rover, rover wasn't holding back against garou, he was going all out, while goketsu who is weaker then rover destroyed suiryu while playing with him for the whole time. Also base garou destroys suiryu easily, garou is much faster so he would easily dodge anything suiryu tries to throw at him and he also has much better techniques, and he would take down suiryu in a couple of seconds. even assuming that suiryu is more powerful then base garou (which is one of the stupidest statements in existence) garou would just keep getting stronger and win due to much better stamina.
@@casbuxMadai This is such omega cope. I can’t even imagine the level of delusion you’d have to be in to think Hero Hunter Garou can no diff Suiryu.
@@CatotheE An omega cope? Oh well if this statement is wrong then disprove me.
I agree. I always took Suiryu as the pinnacle of normal human ability. And I think he ranks himself based on his history with organized martial arts fights; however, this does not compare to a fight to the death against literal monsters and no rules. And thanks to Amai Mask interference with heroes being ranked S class, there is a massive gap in power between A2 and the bottom tier S hero.
I think Suiryu could beat most of the S tier heroes in a martial arts fight with rules, limits and a referee, but would like be killed by in short order in a real fight to the death against most of the A tier in my opinion.
Suiryu is definitely A-Class and he hasn't trained in years. He said that he half assed it his whole life. He was just born strong. If he trained, it's not at all inconceivable that he could reach the level of people like Bang and Bomb (not say that you said he can't).
The gap is not that big. Iaian is definitely a powerful hero, managing to dodge bullets when they've already been fired, as well as having enough strength to break the Tatsumaki barrier that not even BS was able to crack. The irony of this is that physically Iaian could knock out Atomic Samurai, his master, since he was beaten by the BS just at the base of the punch.
@@CatotheEHonestly his sister has more potential than him
@@lucaslima9792 Suiryu has to be the most underrated character in the series. Him or Darkshine. Suiko has potential and I can see her eventually making it to S-Class, but she actually trains hard. Suiryu messed around his whole life and made it to lower S-Class. He almost certainly has more potential.
@@lucaslima9792 Iaian is obviously very strong and has tons of potential, but he's far below AS still.
The first thing he says in the video is hero hunter Garou and Suiryu are the two best martial artists we've seen in the series. So we just gonna act like Bang and Bomb don't exist?
He said "two OF the best martial artists"
Fun fact: metal bat would have ended garou's life if his sister never interrupt the fight
Imagine if Garou had the natural physical strength of Suiryu. Garou had the perfect mind and will(especially in a world where not giving up when on death’s door makes you stronger) and Suiryu had the perfect body(hadn’t trained in years but was still blitzing most of his opponents)
bro can you do opm power scale it would be cool cause you know most about this anime
Garou takes it but it is a close call
Suiryu wins the moral victory, he was offered an easy path to power and threw back in Goketsu's face.
Can you Make a video about Flashy flash Vs Speed-o'-Sound Sonic
At best their equal with Garou having a better technique, adaptivity, and endurance/willpower
At worst Garou has a strength and speed advantage along with everything above.
I dont think Garou ever really loses this either its just in his character to exploit his advantages.
I always wondered how this fight would go and always thought even if suiryu was stronger then Garou, Garou would likely just keep fighting and win through his adapting, durability, and endurance.
Suiryu takes this, after being heavily injured and having fought a roaster of monsters he gets beat up by a dragon level monster relentlessly and survives without even being knocked out, garou got stomped any time he faced dragon level threats even later in the story until he monsterised
Suiryu was really hype, I thought he'd be special, like close to saitama level
Can u do monster garou vs current genos in the manga
You mean the version that fought Saitama or PS?? It's not even close. If the manga adapts WC then Genos will fight Flashy flash, and it will become clear that Flashy did not consider Genos an opponent his equal in speed. So no, Garou still takes it.
If you mean the Garou who fought Bang then it gets closer. But still Garou has the advantage in strength since he is much stronger than Darkshine. Maybe the cannons hurt him but I believe his regeneration is enough, since not even having his ribs and heart crushed was enough to kill the previous version of Monster Garou.
Do monster association Genos vs platinum S or sage centipede.
Ofcourse it's not even close
I wanna know who in his right mind does not knows that
Garou has movement prediction and can block the opponent's suppression points. He literally has Naruto's Sharingan and Byakugan 😂
eh suiryu did low dif a like mid demon in choze who i'd scale to ttm who severely injured garou. tbh i'd scale suiryu to anime sonic or like hydrated deep sea king. goes either way to me
Before watching this video, I already know Suiyru is about to get his ass kicked.
Edit: Yeah, Suiryu didn't win.
Saitama with hair beats them all...
2 minutes in, Garou washes
I missed the bloopers 😂
asking for 10th time: Goku Vs Saitama
Metal bat is stronger than human Garou easily
i didnt even know this was a question, rip suiryu
Let's just say Suiryu has some very "dedicated" fans out there.
This and the whole point of the martial arts tournement plot line flew over a lotta peoples heads. The assumption that some character could perform like Garou did against TTM just because they're martial artists seems to be really popular for this very reason.
Now can you do platinum S vs tatsumaki... I know it's not close but I really wanna see how stats compare....
Platinum Sperm would be a similar opponent to PsykOrochi to Tatsumaki. Only a problem because Tatsumaki is compromised in some way such as being forced to hold back or severely injured already.
@@myusername3689 Yeah and unlike Psykos, Tatsumaki can move and is not stuck to the ground.
What is your accent btw?
Well if Siryu can beat Demon Cyborg Genos, then he can beat Hero Hunter Garou. That's the question I ask myself. Can Siryu beat Genos? Personally I think not. But my opinion is just that. So if Genos nearly killed HHG.... Then if Siryu can beat Genos, tand he would have ended Garou before he could evolve. But I REALLY think Garou would CRUSH Siryu, demon hunter or not. Because I doubt Siryu could endure any of Genos fire and electric atttacks.
Bruh garou eventually kept getting stronger due to monsterizing....
Genos vaporizes both.
Garou feats > suiryu everything
Puri puri prisoner feats> suiryus whole career
Agreed; The only Suiryu that comfortably beats HH Garou is the hypothetical monster cell Suiryu.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092Or... Webcomic spoiler
A suiryu with the neo heroes outfit.
@@lucaslima9792 He didn’t beat him, though. Garou barely wanted to engage.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092Yep but this is a stronger Garou than the Season 2 version. The manga hinted that this post-monster association Garou is a spiral garou level, since in chapter 171 he didn't mention Darkshine as one of the enemies he needs to face to get strong again.
Is Suiryu Thai?
If the non heroes were ranked garou would be 12, sonic would be 13, and suiryu would be ranked 18
Garou >>> suryu with limit break armor in web comic
Suiryu is a master of martial arts, garou is a god of martial arts
Suiryu doesn't even seriously train. Who knows how far he'd go if he did.
@@CatotheEnga get off dick u in every comment talking bout suiryu would be hella close and shi or win
Funnily enough he does gain the ultimate martial art combined with all martial arts and nuclear fission called the God Killer Fist
Garou wins cos he has plot armour
Nah mate, the simulation didn't include pumped up metal bat
Garou was insane even before all of his transformations, he was top tier S-Hero level at the start ( so much so he beat a couple of S-heroes) and Suiryu was barely S-Hero level
Suiryu isn't barely S-Hero
He wasn't Top S-Class in Season 2. Tank Top Master is the weakest S-Class hero and Metal Bat and Genos were low to mid S-Class to that time.
@@horold2329Well, Darkshine said that if Garou had met the top S class he would have been killed. What implies that he is middle level S class. In terms of physical combat and strength he was more dangerous than Puri puri; TTM; Metal bat; Pig God and Zombieman ( I'm talking about strength, I'm not counting his regeneration )
@@lucaslima9792 yes I agree. My point is just that he wasn't at top S-Class level.
I don't think garou is faster than pumped metal bat i think the key factor here was garou's skill since in martial arts garou knows about garou can predict other opponents movements before they even move by seeing the way they stand and knowing their center of body balance compared to to the center of gravity even if that last part was not with base garou i think garou knowing the move before the opponent attack is what makes garou appear to be faster.
But Garou is fast. He has the same speed as base Sonic for being able to fight Genos
garou wins no diff
monster Garou vs tatsumaki
It's not even close
@@lucaslima9792Unless it’s a very specific form of Monster Garou. Either Garou is dead or Garou destroys.
@@myusername3689 EVERY FORM OF MONSTER GAROU EXCEPT SLEEPING ONE DESTROYS TATSU
@@Chad43970 Yea to be fair, Saitama was able to resist psychic power with will alone and Garou has a crap ton of will.
@@PerSon-xg3zr yeah will power+ his weaker version was already resisted to weak pscyhic powers
and monster garou can adapt and and resist those attacks more quicker
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Your logic is flawed. Metal bat lasting longer against an opponent than genos does not make him faster than genos. Matchup scaling does not equal stat scaling. Terrible tornado is not a better swordsmen than atomic samurai even though she can defeat cadre members he cannot. Simple no?
Carnage Kabuto BLITZED Genos while Metal Bat wasn't blitzed. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Also he directly compared their martial arts and found that Garou's martial arts counters Suiryus. Nothing to do with beating stronger opponents.
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Now, let's be honest, siryu survived an attack from Saitama
😂😂.
saitama never tried to kill suiryu. garou stomps.
@@casbuxMadai He didn't try to kill Garou either. Thinking that early Garou stomps Suiryu is delusional.
@@CatotheE When did I say that saitama was trying to kill garou? You literally replied to my comment and tried to disprove something I didn't even say.
and suiryu scales at best to hydrated deep sea king lol, garou no diffs him.
@@casbuxMadai Freaking delusional. While he was half dead from being beaten by Gouketsu and tortured by Bakuzan, he was still able to effortlessly break Bakuzan’s toe with one arm. DSK arguably wouldn’t have even beaten that version of Genoa if he didn’t sacrifice himself to protect the child.
@@CatotheE Bakuzan and goketsu were holding back the whole time against suiryu, they said they enjoy torturing people, they could've killed him in a second if they wanted to, but they didn't because they were tryna give him a slow and painful death.
weakened suiryu was overwhelmed by the three crows who were individually weaker then lighting max and sneck while weakened garou defeated 8 A-class heroes with extreme teamwork and he kept up against genos, bang and bomb who confessed they weren't holding back lol. Garou wins easily.
Garou wins. Now keep scrolling
Suryu Class B
Devil horns Class C
Bong Class S
huh
Garou win because of plot.
This fight is not even close and goes for Suiryu.
You didn't hit any points in the video
Garou would adapt and get stronger he always does that
metal bat was about to kill garou 💀
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Suiryu would stomp. He was too Strong and Fast and Durable for Hero Hunter Garou