Interesting discussion. Unfortunately a quick google search reveals no options to purchase a backpacking style jacket that uses thermore insulation in North America.
So Thermore joins the likes of Climashield Apex and Primaloft. Are there specific products they can site that backpackers may want to look at to compare against other synthetic "puffy" options?
For winter: Down 0 deg quilt extra-wide quilt w/ side elastics, plus a synthetic 50 deg extra-wide over-quilt. For spring/summer/fall: Down 20 deg extra-wide quilt w/ side elastics
I'm only 7 minutes in and I 100% agree with the Down garment and a Synthetic garment for different uses. I have a very think Decathlon down jacket which is ideal for so many dry situations, around camp, in my tent, casual hanging about. My Paramo synthetic insulated jacket get used in a much wider range of uses and is actually designed to be worn over the outside of a waterproof jacket. I take both with me when out in the lower temperatures, especially when camping.
Just bought the Rab cirrus ultra. And tomorrow I'm gonna test it at 0 degrees Celsius. Hopefully it will keep me as warm as my Helly Hansen down jacket
Great discussion! I'd like to hear more about the synthetic comparison for warmth to down. It seems like for colder temps it's still not coming close to weight but the mid and lightweight options are coming closer.
I camp in a lot in rainy areas. My holy grail is a good synthetic insulation. Hopefully we can get to down or better in the next couple years. Thank you for this!
I think the warmth to weight ratio of synthetic vs down insulation has a crossover point depending on how warm / thick the garment is. If you consider the entire system of inner fabric, insulation, outer fabric, and baffling / quilting, a sheet of continuous fiber synthetic insulation with no sewn-through seams needed is going to be more thermally efficient (better warmth to weight) than down with sewn-through baffles in thinner (less warm) garments. At some point you add enough thickness of down though and the insulated areas become warm enough that the total warmth exceeds the equivalent weight synthetic system. Also, for thinner garments most of the weight is in the fabrics and not the insulation so insulation weight is less of a factor. The ultimate warmth for the weight is down in a box baffle design, but those jackets are expensive! It’s what I reserve for winter camping sitting around in.
My head is spinning a bit after this interview, there is just so much to digest. This is a hard topic that few cover, thanks for cranking up the nerd level. I think at some point in the future I would like a jacket with their recycled plastics insulation in there.
@@CbrStylexactly. All they want to do is exaggerate claims and show benefits of their products for the primary goal of money. Researchers and cottage gear companies would be my go to for an informational interview on the pros, cons, and comparisons of synthetic and down insulation
Great interview, but give up the carbon footprint stuff. Every company claims something about that fake issue. The microplastics issue is a valid one though
Interesting discussion. Unfortunately a quick google search reveals no options to purchase a backpacking style jacket that uses thermore insulation in North America.
How do their rolled products compare with Climashield Apex? What brand of jackets use their insulation?
So Thermore joins the likes of Climashield Apex and Primaloft. Are there specific products they can site that backpackers may want to look at to compare against other synthetic "puffy" options?
Love this! Been looking at down and synthetic for my next quilt and am having a hard time deciding.
Specifically at 4:00 are the things I’m seeing and know there is more to the story
For winter: Down 0 deg quilt extra-wide quilt w/ side elastics, plus a synthetic 50 deg extra-wide over-quilt.
For spring/summer/fall: Down 20 deg extra-wide quilt w/ side elastics
I use the synthetic at home or car camping. It's easy to clean. I use down for backpacking because it packs down smaller.
This is great. Thanks for sharing this.
You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
I'm only 7 minutes in and I 100% agree with the Down garment and a Synthetic garment for different uses.
I have a very think Decathlon down jacket which is ideal for so many dry situations, around camp, in my tent, casual hanging about.
My Paramo synthetic insulated jacket get used in a much wider range of uses and is actually designed to be worn over the outside of a waterproof jacket.
I take both with me when out in the lower temperatures, especially when camping.
Just bought the Rab cirrus ultra. And tomorrow I'm gonna test it at 0 degrees Celsius. Hopefully it will keep me as warm as my Helly Hansen down jacket
Great discussion! I'd like to hear more about the synthetic comparison for warmth to down. It seems like for colder temps it's still not coming close to weight but the mid and lightweight options are coming closer.
I camp in a lot in rainy areas. My holy grail is a good synthetic insulation. Hopefully we can get to down or better in the next couple years. Thank you for this!
I think the warmth to weight ratio of synthetic vs down insulation has a crossover point depending on how warm / thick the garment is. If you consider the entire system of inner fabric, insulation, outer fabric, and baffling / quilting, a sheet of continuous fiber synthetic insulation with no sewn-through seams needed is going to be more thermally efficient (better warmth to weight) than down with sewn-through baffles in thinner (less warm) garments. At some point you add enough thickness of down though and the insulated areas become warm enough that the total warmth exceeds the equivalent weight synthetic system. Also, for thinner garments most of the weight is in the fabrics and not the insulation so insulation weight is less of a factor.
The ultimate warmth for the weight is down in a box baffle design, but those jackets are expensive! It’s what I reserve for winter camping sitting around in.
using both combined, down for inner ,synthetic outer shelf, both very thin. less condensation at very low temperature ❤❤❤
My head is spinning a bit after this interview, there is just so much to digest. This is a hard topic that few cover, thanks for cranking up the nerd level. I think at some point in the future I would like a jacket with their recycled plastics insulation in there.
Do they have a product comparible to Climashield Apex?
I'd say their EcoDown would be comparable.
@@BackcountryExposureIs that a roll or free fiber material?
Looks like cool clothing. U perform Thermore or EE Torid for warmth?
I got about 5 minutes worth of information from this 55 minute video.
Well, thanks for watching. Maybe the next one can be 6 minutes.
Same feelings, quitting after 20 minutes. Appreciate the effort, but you’ll never get out anything useful from sales & marketing.
@@CbrStylexactly. All they want to do is exaggerate claims and show benefits of their products for the primary goal of money. Researchers and cottage gear companies would be my go to for an informational interview on the pros, cons, and comparisons of synthetic and down insulation
This lady got two different colored eyes?
Great interview, but give up the carbon footprint stuff. Every company claims something about that fake issue. The microplastics issue is a valid one though