Another little detail I picked up, is when u meet brainiac for the first time he say to the SS, “how did u kill MY Justice League” maybe I’m reading too much into it, but why didn’t he just say The Justice League, probably wrong but I thought I’d mention it
Yeah good theory. But i believe he only said that because he was treating them more of pets. He even says himself before the brainiac boss fight that he will keep the suicide squad as his pets.
I picked that up as well. And part of Brainiac's schtick is possession. Ya know.. a hoarding collector lol. So I can see where his hubris betrays him here and giving us a clue.
If rocksteady wants to stay in business and if this theory wasn't their goal, they should still go with this idea, and say the justice leagues are just clones
it was their goal at all times. It's literally leaked with dialogue and all. There's no need to 'speculate'. It's downright confirmed and known. Just gotta search a bit, because they keep removing the dialogue, but there's voicelines in the data where flash talks of being resurrected and saved by the villains. Same for green lantern.
@@ThinIce103 Leakers who datamined the alpha and leaked everything in the base game 100% accuracy. On the game's subreddit there have been voice clips posted that were found in the game's code that are from characters who are supposed to be dead.
Fun fact: as soon as evil flash start to talk, i stopped the game and think where did i hear that annoying voice. I think and think and i remembered. Its heimdal's voice actor😅 his voice is awesome for villian characters
There were leaks that showed that they are still alive. I mean, like you said, all the boss fights were anticlimactic. All batman did was brag and call out the suicide squad over and over but when his boss fight came, he just went down really easy and stupidly for a guy who beat you up without using fear gas at the beginning. Also, flash finger were back to normal when he turned evil, which is plain to know you weren't fighting the real flash. Also, I heard that when the invasion happened, batman told the league that it was a trap. The justice league went up to the ship willingly to talk to braniac, it's why in the audio logs you find you hear the citizens wondering why the league went up there but hasn't come out yet and why the ship hasn't done anything for awhile. Batman is too smart to get captured easily without a plan.
Not only do I agree that we didn't finalize killing the justice league, I have a feeling LEX has something up his sleeve. You saw that face Brainic made when he saw Lex near the end. There is certianly something up there.
Honestly I’m shocked they didn’t let him keep it and just re color his abilities and give him a construct gun (just re colors your current gun like a construct)
@@kaynebond4223 letting him have the ring for good would be too powerful as we see he can make more than just guns with it. Also it is a fake powered by Brainiac's ship so Brainiac would simply cut of the power to the ring.
I'm not a dc expert, but doesn't the ring go immediately looking for a worthy new lantern? And is anyone just able to put it on and use it just like that??
Also, about Batman's "death" on the park bench. Harley says, "You're still too good." What if Batman knows that deep down and couldn't stand himself killing all those people and Let Harley "kill" him off. He wouldn't wanna continue to kill more people. I mean Batman was just laying there. Maybe still had enough power to take the gun away. Probably reading too much into it but who knows 🤷
I wish they would have made batman temporarily have a free mind in his final moments so he could give an official "kill me please" but I'm HOPING these are clones
If he really was a clone that would counter what you just said since he was literally made to follow brainiac’s orders but if that was the real Batman that’s a really good theory
Yeah I agree, if this was the real Batman and not a clone then he could have easily snatched the gun away and used it to kill Harley and the other Squad members in seconds but he didn't, I think a part of Batman was still in there fighting the control and he let himself die to stop himself
In the boss fight, Batman just standing there tanking all the bullet SS throwing at him for a few minutes straight not even consider dodging those, he asked for it
Doesn't she just ask how to stop the situation? If that's the case, I think the clone made specifically to serve Braniac would say they had to be killed, seeing as there's no other way of changing their purpose
We could tell that all of the justice league members are still alive except for Wonder Woman, cause the very big think that we could tell, was that Superman was supposed to die by that Kryptonite stabbed through his chest
i just relized harley said this is what the real batman would have wanted while she could just be referring to the mind control but she could have also figured out this isn't the real batman if anyone on the squad could ited be the psychologist to notice
To add on to this if it was the real batman he would've avoided the gunshot especially since the gun was pointed at him for a long time before it whent off
the only way this game has a chance is if they brought the justice league back in a game or DLC and you can play as them. Cut scenes ain't gonna do it.
@@cotoyou5575It is. Rocksteady asked WB Games to make a third entry for them to fill the years-long gap between City and Knight. The biggest references for it are Black Mask, Bane, and Deathstroke
@@cotoyou5575Arkham Knight references origins. So does (or will) Suicide Squad. A dataminer leaked an audio clip of Deathstroke in season 4 talking about his encounter with Batman during the events of origins.
Games like this record their dialogue all at once for all planned content. This game was originally supposed to come out in October 2022, one month before Kevin Conroy died. They 100% had him record stuff for Batman after he returns.
Right, awful writing and deaths aside, it’s still just a live service looter shooter with a DC skin over it, when it could have and should have been so much more even if they went with the concept in the game’s title, which honestly feels like a misstep as it is. It’s not even the same Rocksteady.
I've heard the leaks and I'm damn hyped!! BATMAN IS RETURNING. Amazing Find by The Goat Batman Arkham Videos. But for me when the "Kill" the league in the game. I think they "killed" them off that way on purpose cause they knew they were returning. I wouldn't like it if they actually had good deaths like WonderWoman only to bring them back after have such a good "death" scene. So it think for me anyways it's better that it was anticlimactic. But I'm hyped for the Justice Leagues return
fun fact you dont see calander man when you kill bat man if your wondering why he would be there in arkham city when you go to his cell he says that he was there at your beginning and he will be there at your end so i think that might point to why batman is actually alive
The thing that made me believe it wasn't really them was when braniac said when he caught the suicide squad, "How did you defeat "my" justice league?" I know that's not exactly to a T what he said but anyone who either played or watched the game play knows what I'm talking about, just made me think that in the game you killed his justice league clones and is why he asked how they defeated "his" justice league
i mean its pretty much confirmed at this point with the 2 new bosses in season 1 being an amped up green latern and supes in more brainac themed armor from the roadmap
Miller also said that we play as the justice league in future story content and miller has been right about a lot of game leaks so I still have hope for this game
He also did say PVPVE is coming to the game and he right because there were some screen shots that shows PVPVE in the game files. Not only that but also reveal Wonder Woman playable along with the story pack. I saw it on twitter
Slight spoilers for the future (These are from leaks) There are voicelines found in the files referencing that Green Lantern and The Flash are back and fighting against brainiac
Did you not play the original Arkham games? Batman doesn't have purple eyes in those. Actually, have you never seen a single Batman movie or read a single comic before? Because Batman has literally never had purple eyes before. How can you not have seen Batman without purple eyes?
This is what I kept telling everybody!! I knew something felt off when we encountered the justice league plus it just makes no sense for rocksteady and WB to do that to their most popular characters and leave them dead in one of their most popular continuities that had barely explored the larger DC world! WB said they want longevity in there properties and that includes DC and the Arkhamverse! We just had to wait!
I mean, does it matter if stuff is written that way? Unless they add the characters to have non gun related gameplay, they will just stand there and say "see, everything was good all along"
Despite how the kills were executed, like Caboose said, I gotta give my hats off to Rocksteady for not only still showing they're the kings/queens of placing very clever easter eggs but for me how the title feels like a comic headliner you'd see when a character is getting killed off for whatever reason only to eventually be brought back at some point, maybe even an entire decade.
@@primal8724 there is no chances, Kevin Conroy last game was suicide squad game that’s also been confirmed. Conroy’s last animation work is crisis on infinite earth part 2 also was confirmed by Media outlets as well.
@@medafan53She going to get resurrected. Because if you read the comics, she get resurrected. I know because she going to be playable and have a story pack.
That doesn't necessarily mean the Flash isn't a clone a clone is a genetic copy of the original likely had the Flashs memories & personality like Ben Riley from Spiderman
I wish they wouldn't be stretching out the main story throughout DLC chapters. Like you said, it's causing them a lot of bad press if the real Justice League is alive but we don't know yet. Something like what Avengers game did by doing standalone DLC stories that are not tied to the main campaign, like the Hawkeye two-parter and the Black Panther one (which was when the game peaked imo) would be fun
Thats how these live service games work. Game releases and content updates happen. Thats not how this game should of happened IMO but that is how it is.
Even if they were cloned it still makes zero sense story wise cuz why couldn't Braniac just make 100 Superman's and flashes or whatever the entire time?
Probably because it would get boring super quick if all the bosses were Supermen or Flashes. Although, since there are 12 other universes in the game, there might be 12 other Supermen and Flashes for us to fight.
@@Cap-9261 if there were 100 flashes or Superman the squad would absolutely die and Braniac would've been took over but no they made Braniac stupid and this game's story writing is so horrendous it's just embarrassing.
@@existedd7333every single main character/ team has to have plot armor. Don't act like this is the first time you have seen plot armor ever in your life.
it is more likely bad writing. What should have happened is at the end you find out Brainiac was control of the suicide squad as well and is just doing tests. No one is actually dying. or Brainiac admits he is sending weak versions of the team to see what kind or resistance can be put against the justice league. Basically to see what the full power versions can do against the rest of the universe when the time comes.
*Sigh* here we go. Batman isn’t coming back, nor are the Justice league members from our world. At best it will be elseworlds that offer us help. I could see us gathering a Neo-Justice League made up of people like Terry McGinnis’s Batman, Superboy, Power Girl, Kid Flash, etc to help us take out the final (and what I assume to be the most powerful) variant of Braniac. I know you all feel like the characters were done dirty and that Kevin Conroy was treated poorly in particular, but that’s just the game. Personally I like playing as the Suicide Squad as it shows how the people we used to beat up without a second thought in games like Arkham Asylum felt, and lowkey if the suicide squad lost in the game, people would just say “DC is giving Batman plot armor so they can milk his ip more” and complain anyways. TL;DR, Batman can come back, just not the one we want. Warner Bros can’t revive the dead, no matter how much they spend.
The fact that we’ve only seen the first 10 hours of the story with so much more on the way, plus the fact that this is *comic book* logic where no stays dead makes it so tragically hilarious to me to see people raging about the story so hard. I’m like…you know it ain’t ending here right? My two cents: I believe the TJL are clones theory all except for Wonder Woman since she was never captured and she had the only death in the game that had any fanfare behind it leading me to believe it was legitimate. All the others fell flat because they were purposeful fake outs.
Man, We just jumped straight to conclusions without playing the game accurately or even paying attention to the Easter eggs. If Batman is alive and if the Easter eggs are true im betting everyone is going to owe Rocksteady a big apology!
Probably a stretch for this game but back in AK Batman literally gets shot in the chest bat symbol (the most armoured part of the suit according to arkham knight who knows everything about Bruce) in this game he gets shot in the same area at least 3-4 times in which u see flesh. Seems weird to go back a step 🤔
Are worse? They literally did the man dirty and had Harley Quinn lecture him about how their the victims while she killed children in the same universe 💀 plus even without Batman death the game still has many issues. Which is why the game is dying. Even warner bros says the same thing
The Suicide Squad game did the Arkham Batman very dirty and I can't believe this is Kevin Conroy's LAST performance. There should have been a Batman Beyond game because it would be a proper sendoff for the man who has acted as the Arkham Batman for many years. This was a wasted chance overall.
Kevin’s last performance is actually the Crisis on Infinite Earths animated film part 3. THANK GOD this piece of shit game isn’t his final performance.
Allegedly Kevin has 2 more VA roles with Batman. Also even if there wasn’t this isn’t a bad place to stop. It’s pretty obvious Kevin had a blast with playing an evil Batman. He really sounded like he enjoyed doing the lines. So if Kevin enjoyed this gig so much I don’t see it as being a bad thing if this was his last performance. Sure the game itself is mid but if Kevin enjoyed doing the voice work that’s all that matters.
@StraightEdgeKnight19 it ain't a shit game mate. Perfect? Not at all but live service games never are usually 😂. But shit? Absolutely not. It's pretty fun to play AND it makes a difference from the other games.
Honestly, if Batman really DID die, which he obviously didn't, I'm glad it was like that. Because we need to remember, BATMAN IS JUST A NORMAL MAN. Not a super powered individual like Superman, Flash or Green Lantern. I think it just shows that no matter what, at the end of the day, regardless of what people think or say about this, we're all just human. We'll have our good days, which would be the Arkham games, and we have our bad, which would be Bruce's "death" in this game.
It was actually nice to see. I already feel like Arkham Batman gets wanked too much anyway. He somehow defeated both Deathstroke and Shiva in Origins. Its just goes to show that the player makes the characters look stronger than they should be in video games.
@@enzoamore8971 exactly! Not to mention, if he really was going to die, Harley should be the one who kills him out of the four considering she's the one who's had the most hatred and anger towards him out of the Squad. But hopefully they actually work together in the future update.
Hardcore fan like comicstorian instantly figured out it was clones before he beat the story so idk if you should say hardcore fans didn’t know 😭😭 love the vid tho man was waiting for you to make this
I feel Warner Bros is listening to the backlash and trying to cook something to make a way for the Justice league to return, and probably say they were clones of the Juctice league
Game development doesn't work that way, especially for a live service. A full playable character, cosmetics, weapons, and area coming out a month after launch is a prime example. They already have four seasons like that planned and the game only just launched. They're obviously meant to come back, we're just getting the story over a longer period of time
Yeah you don’t know how game development works, they can’t just make new cinematics, new voice lines, and scrap every one of their ideas in a few months. Yeah never make another stupid take like this ever again
I am happy that Kevin Konroy was able to voice the Batman 1 last time. Nice that the Nightfall protocol was not his last time in this universe. He got to stand with the Justice League! That’s just incredible! Seeing Rogues up against what the Heroes would generally stand against is a neat touch. I will miss Kevin Konroy forever… He may be gone, yet his legacy will stand forever. Hope the JLA will return in good time. Who knows the Heroes & Villains could join forces to face a greater foe. All the best for everyone.
If they come out with a Justice League game where the real league comes back and take down braniac, then this new Rocksteady will have redeemed themselves.
It is pretty obvious that league is going to come back in some way. Even outside of the game, it makes no sense to kill them off permanently. Here are my points: 1- The Arkham franchise is still hot and popular and from a business perspective it makes no sense to just end it here especially when there’s so much to explore (we’re already getting elseworlds) 2- WB knows that they’re standing on a gold mine when I comes to Batman and the iconography of other characters like Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash, so killing off those characters and not having them return in some way is going to lose potential profits. 3- This is rocksteady! They are known for fucking with the players in shocking and dramatic ways! They have something up their sleeves we just have to wait!
Copium? More like it’s in the game, hints to more things to come just like in asylum with the secret room hinting at city, the scarecrow secrets hinting at knight. Or was that all copium
My guess rocksteady decide to retcon the game because peoples give the game awful reviews and fan are boycotting the game and rocksteady quickly say “ those JL that you killed aren’t the real but fakes !” In order to make good with fans but it too late .
Down the road Rocksteady should make a Justice League game where the REAL Justice League fights different clones of the Justice League, but they’re Owlman etc.
Ever since the conclusion of the beloved Batman Arkham series and the introduction of the multiverse concept by SSKTJL, the idea of an Owlman Arkham game has kindled my imagination. Imagine stepping into the shoes of Owlman, a malevolent version of Batman, navigating through Gotham City's sinister shadows. While we hold a deep admiration for Kevin Conroy, who defined the Dark Knight for many, this could be an opportunity for a unique exploration of Gotham, ushering in a new chapter that pays *homage* to the legendary Batman Arkham Saga.
I feel like they have no other way of continuing the story, but like this. Of course, do your regular stuff of introducing the Joker, and having his own story, but slowly build up to the Justice League’s return over each dlc episode. I truly think it would be an interesting story.
maybe an alternate theory is that the arkham verse didn’t have a real justice league and they were plants from another verse, except batman who was cloned or maybe still in hiding after arkham knight
Does this get you more excited for the future of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League?
Ofc
no the game can still piss off, i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole
I just wish you can save them and they be like wow thanks and just go away from the villain that would had be a better story
Nope.
Everybody Boo this game!!! Boooooooooooooo!!!!
Dan Allen Gaming also show each body of the Justice League was being Teleported after they were defeated.
Another little detail I picked up, is when u meet brainiac for the first time he say to the SS, “how did u kill MY Justice League” maybe I’m reading too much into it, but why didn’t he just say The Justice League, probably wrong but I thought I’d mention it
Its probably because he is controlling them but you might still be on to something 🤔
@@FIREXTGKMy thoughts exactly.
Yeah good theory. But i believe he only said that because he was treating them more of pets. He even says himself before the brainiac boss fight that he will keep the suicide squad as his pets.
I picked that up as well. And part of Brainiac's schtick is possession. Ya know.. a hoarding collector lol. So I can see where his hubris betrays him here and giving us a clue.
He said that cuz he thinks of them as pets
If rocksteady wants to stay in business and if this theory wasn't their goal, they should still go with this idea, and say the justice leagues are just clones
it was their goal at all times. It's literally leaked with dialogue and all. There's no need to 'speculate'. It's downright confirmed and known. Just gotta search a bit, because they keep removing the dialogue, but there's voicelines in the data where flash talks of being resurrected and saved by the villains. Same for green lantern.
@@Cat-ix6jy Gotta love that people are straight up neglecting the fact that the inconsistencies are pointed out in the base game story as well lol
@Cat-ix6jy Confirmed by who?
@@ThinIce103 Leakers who datamined the alpha and leaked everything in the base game 100% accuracy. On the game's subreddit there have been voice clips posted that were found in the game's code that are from characters who are supposed to be dead.
"want to stay in business" this statement always makes me laugh wherever i read it
6 months later :Suicide Squad *The Rise of Justice League
This is a symphony for my ears
Suicide Squad Save The Justice League
6 months later: suicide squad gets delisted
@@tylermurray4732 justice league need no saving come on they just need to bounce back
@@aaronbood1999ong
There have been audio leaks of The Flash and Green Lantern returning.
😃
I heard the flash one what dose GL say
@@ShirouBrando it's Lois Lane telling the people that GL has returned a hero we thought we lost and he is back fighting with us
@@GirlGamerHacker oh damn ok Yeah I haven't heard that one
@@ShirouBrandowell she also says that flash and gl are under wallers control so idk how i feel about that :)
Fun fact: as soon as evil flash start to talk, i stopped the game and think where did i hear that annoying voice. I think and think and i remembered. Its heimdal's voice actor😅 his voice is awesome for villian characters
True
He is a great voice actor. My favorite scene was when flash and Wonder woman were talking.
Yeah, The Flash is being voiced by Scott Porter, he did voice God of War’s Heimdal, Xmen Anime’s Cyclops, and of course INJ2’s Robin (Damien Wayne).
he’s also nightwing in the arkham games - idk why it bugs me that ppl don’t realise
@@ImStillStealingSteel as well as Winter Soldier in Avengers
There were leaks that showed that they are still alive. I mean, like you said, all the boss fights were anticlimactic. All batman did was brag and call out the suicide squad over and over but when his boss fight came, he just went down really easy and stupidly for a guy who beat you up without using fear gas at the beginning. Also, flash finger were back to normal when he turned evil, which is plain to know you weren't fighting the real flash. Also, I heard that when the invasion happened, batman told the league that it was a trap. The justice league went up to the ship willingly to talk to braniac, it's why in the audio logs you find you hear the citizens wondering why the league went up there but hasn't come out yet and why the ship hasn't done anything for awhile. Batman is too smart to get captured easily without a plan.
This totally makes sense. The Batman is alive. The Justice League is alive. Too bad though that Kevin Conroy passed away. R.I.P. legend.
Right as the Superman boss fight started, there's a phase behind the Squad where Batman died
Arkham Batman really needs a better sendoff. I hope the Easter egg is true and him and the justice league are still alive
At this point they just need to do this and start planning a Batman beyond game. SSKTJL is dying
@@Heelsfan-bd5tf agreed
Not only do I agree that we didn't finalize killing the justice league, I have a feeling LEX has something up his sleeve. You saw that face Brainic made when he saw Lex near the end. There is certianly something up there.
Lex is always the real threat haha
@@patricklove7055I mean after all he is "the greatest criminal mind of our time"
100%. Brainiac says “YOU!”
Some people believe that he is not Lex, but he is Briniac, who has changed himself to Lex
I ain’t going to lie, King Shark wielding a Green Lantern Ring was hilarious yet terrifying! Still, it was awesome!
Honestly I’m shocked they didn’t let him keep it and just re color his abilities and give him a construct gun (just re colors your current gun like a construct)
That is the one cosmetic I will pay for
@@patricklove7055agreed same with any lantern color particular blue, red or white
@@kaynebond4223 letting him have the ring for good would be too powerful as we see he can make more than just guns with it. Also it is a fake powered by Brainiac's ship so Brainiac would simply cut of the power to the ring.
I'm not a dc expert, but doesn't the ring go immediately looking for a worthy new lantern? And is anyone just able to put it on and use it just like that??
Also, about Batman's "death" on the park bench.
Harley says, "You're still too good."
What if Batman knows that deep down and couldn't stand himself killing all those people and Let Harley "kill" him off. He wouldn't wanna continue to kill more people. I mean Batman was just laying there. Maybe still had enough power to take the gun away. Probably reading too much into it but who knows 🤷
Sounds in-character
I wish they would have made batman temporarily have a free mind in his final moments so he could give an official "kill me please" but I'm HOPING these are clones
If he really was a clone that would counter what you just said since he was literally made to follow brainiac’s orders but if that was the real Batman that’s a really good theory
Yeah I agree, if this was the real Batman and not a clone then he could have easily snatched the gun away and used it to kill Harley and the other Squad members in seconds but he didn't, I think a part of Batman was still in there fighting the control and he let himself die to stop himself
In the boss fight, Batman just standing there tanking all the bullet SS throwing at him for a few minutes straight not even consider dodging those, he asked for it
But what about when Wonder Woman uses the lasso of truth on Flash and He snaps out of it for a brief moment?
Even fakes can act real
but still though that was way to real
Exactly what I was thinking.
The cool thing about that is it's very unsuperhero for the main guy to say, "just kill us." Maybe he knows he's a clone?
Doesn't she just ask how to stop the situation? If that's the case, I think the clone made specifically to serve Braniac would say they had to be killed, seeing as there's no other way of changing their purpose
We could tell that all of the justice league members are still alive except for Wonder Woman, cause the very big think that we could tell, was that Superman was supposed to die by that Kryptonite stabbed through his chest
DC heroes never stay dead so I'm not even bothered
Wonder Woman is technically immortal
Her dad is Zeus after all
Lex Luther is still dead
Replaced
Wonder Woman is getting Revived rumors Confirmed as well also too in a future Season post Game DLC Confirmed online!
i just relized harley said this is what the real batman would have wanted while she could just be referring to the mind control but she could have also figured out this isn't the real batman if anyone on the squad could ited be the psychologist to notice
To add on to this if it was the real batman he would've avoided the gunshot especially since the gun was pointed at him for a long time before it whent off
same thought went through my head
You guys are coping to much , it was the real batman.
Fans will rewrite the whole lore 😂@@jackbutt8774
@@jackbutt8774boi read the leaks
the only way this game has a chance is if they brought the justice league back in a game or DLC and you can play as them. Cut scenes ain't gonna do it.
your soft
There’s also leaked audio of The Flash talking to Task Force X about recovering from Brainiac’s influence.
where can i find this
Man I hope your right because that cannot be how the Batman died
I read the title and was like WHAAAAAAAT. I need to see what Caboose is cooking
I wouldn’t be surprised if they add Arkham Origins batman as an Elseworld character
He’s not from a diff universe origins is the same timeline as all the other Arkham games. Just a younger voice actor
@@rayvintankerson6818 Arkham Origins isn't canon to rocksteady's Arkham games
@cotoyou5575 They want to pretend it isn't, but it's pretty obvious it is.
@@cotoyou5575It is. Rocksteady asked WB Games to make a third entry for them to fill the years-long gap between City and Knight. The biggest references for it are Black Mask, Bane, and Deathstroke
@@cotoyou5575Arkham Knight references origins. So does (or will) Suicide Squad. A dataminer leaked an audio clip of Deathstroke in season 4 talking about his encounter with Batman during the events of origins.
if batman’s alive not sure who’d voice him considering this interpretation of the character is so beloved by so many people
They might use an AI
@@Tribrid-zv3nq True, they could if they got the consent of Kevin's estate.
Games like this record their dialogue all at once for all planned content. This game was originally supposed to come out in October 2022, one month before Kevin Conroy died. They 100% had him record stuff for Batman after he returns.
they could use the arkham origins voice actor, he’s the closest thing that sounds alike to kevin but idk
@@whitemamba061 more than likely the Arkham universe will be reset & the Arkham Origins voice actor will be the batman of the new Arkham universe
still doesn't change the fact at how dogshit this game is
Right, awful writing and deaths aside, it’s still just a live service looter shooter with a DC skin over it, when it could have and should have been so much more even if they went with the concept in the game’s title, which honestly feels like a misstep as it is. It’s not even the same Rocksteady.
I've heard the leaks and I'm damn hyped!! BATMAN IS RETURNING. Amazing Find by The Goat Batman Arkham Videos.
But for me when the "Kill" the league in the game. I think they "killed" them off that way on purpose cause they knew they were returning. I wouldn't like it if they actually had good deaths like WonderWoman only to bring them back after have such a good "death" scene. So it think for me anyways it's better that it was anticlimactic. But I'm hyped for the Justice Leagues return
fun fact you dont see calander man when you kill bat man if your wondering why he would be there in arkham city when you go to his cell he says that he was there at your beginning and he will be there at your end so i think that might point to why batman is actually alive
I don't think so. He was in Arkham Knight when the manor blew up. That was his end
He was there at knightfall. That was the end. This game isn' canon to me, it doesn't even make sense.
@@JohnDoe-dw3hj that wasn't the end of batman tho so nah
@@mht2315 nah because clearly that wasn't the of batman
@@therealparzivalmf batman faked his death in Arkham knight
Arkham Batman can never die
True he lives in our hearts
I wish Rocksteady felt that way
Basically, Plot armor.
@@StraightEdgeKnight19Did you not watch the video?.Batman is alive and well.The fact you believed he died in the first place is hilarous.
He's like Jesus. Even if he dies he'll just be back in 3-5 working days
The only problem with this is when Wonder Woman wraps her lasso around the flash and he turns normal for a brief moment
Clones can have fragments of the og. Think of Ben Reily with Peter Parker
@@tayc9542 also who's to say these versions of the justice league weren't good guys in there universe and just mind controlled by braniac?
@@jarrodedson5441they aren't from the multiverse they were the arkham world justice league under Brainiac mind control
The thing that made me believe it wasn't really them was when braniac said when he caught the suicide squad, "How did you defeat "my" justice league?" I know that's not exactly to a T what he said but anyone who either played or watched the game play knows what I'm talking about, just made me think that in the game you killed his justice league clones and is why he asked how they defeated "his" justice league
There's even some dialogue from the grunts about integrating ivy that mention how cloning tech doesn't work well with plant powers or something
i mean its pretty much confirmed at this point with the 2 new bosses in season 1 being an amped up green latern and supes in more brainac themed armor from the roadmap
And let’s not forget the collector of worlds has collected superheroes _before._
Batman was just blinded
Did she just “blind” mf Batman
Mk11 reference?
Miller also said that we play as the justice league in future story content and miller has been right about a lot of game leaks so I still have hope for this game
He also did say PVPVE is coming to the game and he right because there were some screen shots that shows PVPVE in the game files. Not only that but also reveal Wonder Woman playable along with the story pack. I saw it on twitter
@@jsalazar1497 I’m still excited for this game I think people are judging it way to quickly
Slight spoilers for the future
(These are from leaks)
There are voicelines found in the files referencing that Green Lantern and The Flash are back and fighting against brainiac
First time I see Batman without purple eyes
Did you not play the original Arkham games? Batman doesn't have purple eyes in those. Actually, have you never seen a single Batman movie or read a single comic before? Because Batman has literally never had purple eyes before. How can you not have seen Batman without purple eyes?
This means that we can maybe get one more batman arkham game.
Love your edits bro 🐐
@@Qkbm7Ty bro ❤️
After what Rocksteady did to their own franchise? No, not anymore. Rocksteady has fallen from grace big time.
It just wouldn’t feel right without Kevin
@@lukareinitz9492lie of the year
2025: bat man vs me 2
This was obvious they weren't going to be dead permanently
Except WW apparently lol
@@kingquazieven Wonder Woman maybe expect Barry Allen and Jason Todd
Exactly. Ppl be getting mad for nothing
Indeed, as we all know that comic books are infamous for killing off characters and then reviving them as a gimmick to boost sales.
@@jeremyriley1238 finally somebody get it
Leaked voice lines say they are gonna be revived and work with the Squad, so yeah they were the REAL Justice League.
Ppl made up the clones theory to ease their minds cuz they couldnt accept the JL dying
@@Tribrid-zv3nq The game is much fun and sum aspects of it are very well thought out but cmon you cant excuse bad writing right.
I mean the clone theory isn’t necessarily debunked
Where’s the leak
@@tayc9542brainic litterally describes what he did to them, it aint clones its them.
This is what I kept telling everybody!! I knew something felt off when we encountered the justice league plus it just makes no sense for rocksteady and WB to do that to their most popular characters and leave them dead in one of their most popular continuities that had barely explored the larger DC world! WB said they want longevity in there properties and that includes DC and the Arkhamverse! We just had to wait!
I mean, does it matter if stuff is written that way?
Unless they add the characters to have non gun related gameplay, they will just stand there and say "see, everything was good all along"
somebody out there dodged all spoilers until they got this video notification
Despite how the kills were executed, like Caboose said, I gotta give my hats off to Rocksteady for not only still showing they're the kings/queens of placing very clever easter eggs but for me how the title feels like a comic headliner you'd see when a character is getting killed off for whatever reason only to eventually be brought back at some point, maybe even an entire decade.
The SS showcase did treat the seasons as like a new comic book issue.
Batman Arkham Videos always finds the Easter eggs
Even if there NOT that dimension justice league Kevin Conroy is still dead in real life, this was Conroy last gaming voice work as Arkham Batman. 😢
There's still a chance he did more lines for the game
@@primal8724 there is no chances, Kevin Conroy last game was suicide squad game that’s also been confirmed. Conroy’s last animation work is crisis on infinite earth part 2 also was confirmed by Media outlets as well.
Called it from day 1. The JL makes to much money for them...fanboys needed to stop crying bout it
Issue is what about Wonder Woman? As well when lasso of truth on Barry he turned back to himself.
She is magical, they could bring her back somehow.
@@medafan53She going to get resurrected. Because if you read the comics, she get resurrected. I know because she going to be playable and have a story pack.
That doesn't necessarily mean the Flash isn't a clone a clone is a genetic copy of the original likely had the Flashs memories & personality like Ben Riley from Spiderman
Plus, I’m really glad that you didn’t write the whole game off and decided to dive deeper into it
Don’t do that don’t give me hope
I wish they wouldn't be stretching out the main story throughout DLC chapters. Like you said, it's causing them a lot of bad press if the real Justice League is alive but we don't know yet. Something like what Avengers game did by doing standalone DLC stories that are not tied to the main campaign, like the Hawkeye two-parter and the Black Panther one (which was when the game peaked imo) would be fun
Thats how these live service games work. Game releases and content updates happen. Thats not how this game should of happened IMO but that is how it is.
Even if they were cloned it still makes zero sense story wise cuz why couldn't Braniac just make 100 Superman's and flashes or whatever the entire time?
Probably because it would get boring super quick if all the bosses were Supermen or Flashes. Although, since there are 12 other universes in the game, there might be 12 other Supermen and Flashes for us to fight.
I don't think they are clones. I believe Brainiac just gave them special powers and Changed there DNA like Lex Said
@@Cap-9261 if there were 100 flashes or Superman the squad would absolutely die and Braniac would've been took over but no they made Braniac stupid and this game's story writing is so horrendous it's just embarrassing.
@@existedd7333every single main character/ team has to have plot armor. Don't act like this is the first time you have seen plot armor ever in your life.
@@existedd7333 Exactly. Hence why they didn't do that. It makes it more fun to fight each of them.
it is more likely bad writing.
What should have happened is at the end you find out Brainiac was control of the suicide squad as well and is just doing tests. No one is actually dying.
or
Brainiac admits he is sending weak versions of the team to see what kind or resistance can be put against the justice league. Basically to see what the full power versions can do against the rest of the universe when the time comes.
Man i love this game so damn much
No way u jus say that
@@Carter_2 got a problem with that?
There’s a huge problem with that
@@hasnainali553there isn’t a problem with that, people can enjoy games just as much as people who dislike them
@@hasnainali553 and that is?
Some seasons later : Suicide Squad: Save the Justice League…
😂😂 caboose is back alive inside again 😂 welcome back bro🎉🎉
*Sigh* here we go.
Batman isn’t coming back, nor are the Justice league members from our world. At best it will be elseworlds that offer us help. I could see us gathering a Neo-Justice League made up of people like Terry McGinnis’s Batman, Superboy, Power Girl, Kid Flash, etc to help us take out the final (and what I assume to be the most powerful) variant of Braniac. I know you all feel like the characters were done dirty and that Kevin Conroy was treated poorly in particular, but that’s just the game. Personally I like playing as the Suicide Squad as it shows how the people we used to beat up without a second thought in games like Arkham Asylum felt, and lowkey if the suicide squad lost in the game, people would just say “DC is giving Batman plot armor so they can milk his ip more” and complain anyways.
TL;DR, Batman can come back, just not the one we want. Warner Bros can’t revive the dead, no matter how much they spend.
One thing I think is weird. Green Lantern’s ring. Brainiac managed to copy it and it corrupted Shark.
That's silly. Brainiac can copy Green Lantern ring, but can't bottle Metropolis
Anyone who thinks the JL will stay dead isnt very smart
Too emotional after Batman died
True
The fact that we’ve only seen the first 10 hours of the story with so much more on the way, plus the fact that this is *comic book* logic where no stays dead makes it so tragically hilarious to me to see people raging about the story so hard. I’m like…you know it ain’t ending here right?
My two cents: I believe the TJL are clones theory all except for Wonder Woman since she was never captured and she had the only death in the game that had any fanfare behind it leading me to believe it was legitimate. All the others fell flat because they were purposeful fake outs.
Flash was also missing a finger before he turned evil, but when we saw him as evil flash, his finger was there.
Personally had a lot of fun and thought the rocksteady QUALITY was there, story not so much but I hope they bamboozled tf out of us and fix this
They definitely bamboozled all of us unless people saw the leaks
Man, We just jumped straight to conclusions without playing the game accurately or even paying attention to the Easter eggs.
If Batman is alive and if the Easter eggs are true im betting everyone is going to owe Rocksteady a big apology!
Btw he got this theory from comicstorian
Bro everyone has been saying this theory. not to mention he talks about comicstorian in this vid.
@@bigd4wg510 I'm only letting people know where the theory came from💀 is that so bad?
Probably a stretch for this game but back in AK Batman literally gets shot in the chest bat symbol (the most armoured part of the suit according to arkham knight who knows everything about Bruce) in this game he gets shot in the same area at least 3-4 times in which u see flesh. Seems weird to go back a step 🤔
I don’t care Batman DID NOT DIE THAT WAY. I didn’t waste 100+ hours on Arkham games for him to die like this, Kill him off in an epic way.
That upset me so much after I had put over 1100 hours into the arkham games. 475 in Knight itself.
@@misterbrightside1245 Just for a bunch of casual video game developers ruined the GOAT work of the Arkham series
He didn’t die that way. It was a clone that died that way - not Batman. It not ruined since he didn’t die.
@@KrakenZzzz Yes you are 100% right
Name dropping Comicstorian and Batman Arkham Videos, nice. 👍🏾
I hope one day we get a good Batman beyond game and get to play as Terry McGinnis
Yall hating on the game too much. Its annoying and laughable tbh. Batman dying is sad but yall are worse
Are worse? They literally did the man dirty and had Harley Quinn lecture him about how their the victims while she killed children in the same universe 💀 plus even without Batman death the game still has many issues. Which is why the game is dying. Even warner bros says the same thing
The Suicide Squad game did the Arkham Batman very dirty and I can't believe this is Kevin Conroy's LAST performance. There should have been a Batman Beyond game because it would be a proper sendoff for the man who has acted as the Arkham Batman for many years. This was a wasted chance overall.
Kevin’s last performance is actually the Crisis on Infinite Earths animated film part 3. THANK GOD this piece of shit game isn’t his final performance.
Allegedly Kevin has 2 more VA roles with Batman. Also even if there wasn’t this isn’t a bad place to stop. It’s pretty obvious Kevin had a blast with playing an evil Batman. He really sounded like he enjoyed doing the lines. So if Kevin enjoyed this gig so much I don’t see it as being a bad thing if this was his last performance. Sure the game itself is mid but if Kevin enjoyed doing the voice work that’s all that matters.
@StraightEdgeKnight19 it ain't a shit game mate. Perfect? Not at all but live service games never are usually 😂. But shit? Absolutely not. It's pretty fun to play AND it makes a difference from the other games.
Did you watch the video?
@@StraightEdgeKnight19bet you didn't play it bud
Rip Kevin conroy Truly missed
Honestly, if Batman really DID die, which he obviously didn't, I'm glad it was like that. Because we need to remember, BATMAN IS JUST A NORMAL MAN. Not a super powered individual like Superman, Flash or Green Lantern. I think it just shows that no matter what, at the end of the day, regardless of what people think or say about this, we're all just human. We'll have our good days, which would be the Arkham games, and we have our bad, which would be Bruce's "death" in this game.
It was actually nice to see. I already feel like Arkham Batman gets wanked too much anyway. He somehow defeated both Deathstroke and Shiva in Origins. Its just goes to show that the player makes the characters look stronger than they should be in video games.
@@enzoamore8971 exactly! Not to mention, if he really was going to die, Harley should be the one who kills him out of the four considering she's the one who's had the most hatred and anger towards him out of the Squad. But hopefully they actually work together in the future update.
Hardcore fan like comicstorian instantly figured out it was clones before he beat the story so idk if you should say hardcore fans didn’t know 😭😭 love the vid tho man was waiting for you to make this
I feel Warner Bros is listening to the backlash and trying to cook something to make a way for the Justice league to return, and probably say they were clones of the Juctice league
This is planned in advance bro..they dont make these changes in a couple of months. Thats not how it works.
Lmao yall kidded yourselves for thinking the JL are permanently dead😅. DC heroes never stay dead especially these ones
We would know then, Batman would get a new voice actor if this wasn't already planned
Game development doesn't work that way, especially for a live service. A full playable character, cosmetics, weapons, and area coming out a month after launch is a prime example. They already have four seasons like that planned and the game only just launched. They're obviously meant to come back, we're just getting the story over a longer period of time
Yeah you don’t know how game development works, they can’t just make new cinematics, new voice lines, and scrap every one of their ideas in a few months. Yeah never make another stupid take like this ever again
I am happy that Kevin Konroy was able to voice the Batman 1 last time. Nice that the Nightfall protocol was not his last time in this universe. He got to stand with the Justice League! That’s just incredible! Seeing Rogues up against what the Heroes would generally stand against is a neat touch. I will miss Kevin Konroy forever… He may be gone, yet his legacy will stand forever. Hope the JLA will return in good time. Who knows the Heroes & Villains could join forces to face a greater foe. All the best for everyone.
If they come out with a Justice League game where the real league comes back and take down braniac, then this new Rocksteady will have redeemed themselves.
It is pretty obvious that league is going to come back in some way. Even outside of the game, it makes no sense to kill them off permanently. Here are my points:
1- The Arkham franchise is still hot and popular and from a business perspective it makes no sense to just end it here especially when there’s so much to explore (we’re already getting elseworlds)
2- WB knows that they’re standing on a gold mine when I comes to Batman and the iconography of other characters like Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash, so killing off those characters and not having them return in some way is going to lose potential profits.
3- This is rocksteady! They are known for fucking with the players in shocking and dramatic ways! They have something up their sleeves we just have to wait!
“He will return” could also mean Batman will be back in a future Batman Arkhamverse reboot. Just throwing that out there
Would anything even matter as a reboot?
@@SamuraiMotoko if you want a new Batman Arkham generation, a reboot is the way to go
Ahem The king of Arkham Is Knightwing01 thank you
Doesn't matter if Batman lives when Kevin Conroy is dead
Exactly
5:35 I don't think I've seen our boy caboose so giddy before. Right there with you mate
Ngl what copium are people on first JJK now SS batman y’all gotta let shit go fr 😭😭😭
Copium? More like it’s in the game, hints to more things to come just like in asylum with the secret room hinting at city, the scarecrow secrets hinting at knight. Or was that all copium
Rocksteady can't let a single major character just die. ( Batman, Joker, Poison Ivy )
My guess rocksteady decide to retcon the game because peoples give the game awful reviews and fan are boycotting the game and rocksteady quickly say “ those JL that you killed aren’t the real but fakes !” In order to make good with fans but it too late .
Bro stop. Just stop
That’s not how game development works lmao, this was always going to happen regardless of how the public saw it lol
Wow, that calendar had me clapping!!! 👏🏾👏🏾
Damage control lol
accurate
If Batman comes back, with new dialogue from Kevin Conroy, how exactly would that be damage control lol
How tf is it damage control? This was already planned. Don't you think?
Comic book characters not dying permanently
They only did this to save the game
No,they had this planned already
too much theories..
*the game is just utter garbage*
And there are now explicitly obvious multiverse shennanigans going on.
First
Down the road Rocksteady should make a Justice League game where the REAL Justice League fights different clones of the Justice League, but they’re Owlman etc.
Batman is alive they trolled us
rocksteady: You really thought we would do 'yall like this?
I’m still trying to save up for the game before joker comes out so I can get him too
Ever since the conclusion of the beloved Batman Arkham series and the introduction of the multiverse concept by SSKTJL, the idea of an Owlman Arkham game has kindled my imagination. Imagine stepping into the shoes of Owlman, a malevolent version of Batman, navigating through Gotham City's sinister shadows. While we hold a deep admiration for Kevin Conroy, who defined the Dark Knight for many, this could be an opportunity for a unique exploration of Gotham, ushering in a new chapter that pays *homage* to the legendary Batman Arkham Saga.
Damage is already done, doing some story plot to revive batman aint gonna save rocksteady.
They still got embarassed
I feel like they have no other way of continuing the story, but like this. Of course, do your regular stuff of introducing the Joker, and having his own story, but slowly build up to the Justice League’s return over each dlc episode. I truly think it would be an interesting story.
Imagine they just trolled all of us
maybe an alternate theory is that the arkham verse didn’t have a real justice league and they were plants from another verse, except batman who was cloned or maybe still in hiding after arkham knight
2:04 actually when Barry saved Harley from the shot Batman fired before Bruce threw Barry on the ground, you can see be had all his fingers.