My First Efoil Experience | Efoil vs Hydrofoil
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Efoiling is similar to my favorite sport - lounge chairing.
Attach a chair, and you are set!
It’s a LOT harder than it looks. If you think you just stand on it, you couldn’t be more wrong. He actually mentions this briefly in the video.
@@Fluterra well obvious, you have to balance and guide yourself with your body.
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Oooh burn !😂
Lets be honest the price of these things puts them outside the realm of possibilities for 99% of the population. $15,000 US for the Lift3 ??? I could buy a Seadoo and a fishing boat for that price.
Whys it so expensive
Foam and fiber is very expensive,😂😂😂
Most people are economic labor units who exist to provide trinkets to the upper class who are the only ones considered actually human
People,we need to stand up and get things on our hands.
Put this in the category of things that look fake. So incredible.
I love pumping long distances too.
In a nice lounge chair.
Efoiling is easily the best way to learn to foil and opens the door to FoilWorld which is an amazing place. I learned on an efoil and used it to get into wingfoiling which I find so much more satisfying as there’s so much more challenge involved for a former windsurfer/surfer/snowboarder. My wife doesn’t have that background and LOVES efoiling.
Everybody needs to hire one at least once!
I couldn't agree more, Geoff. I hosted Aidan at my house a few weeks ago. Once he got flying out of the water, I could see his instinct kick in. He was amazingly comfortable and looked great on a foil. No doubt it's a great way to learn! I'm so glad you and your wife can share efoiling. How cool.
I hear you, Mike. My lake just doesn't have the wind either, which had impeded me learning how to hand wing.
Indeed, that is my strategy. I also have a windsurfing and kiteboarding background. I think I will love wing foiling better then e-foiling. Plus $13k is much more than a wing rig (now about $2k). My next purchase will be an inflatable wing board so i can wing anywhere I travel to. You cannot bring an e-foil with you on a plane.
Almost 6k starting price for an efoil... y'all are smoking crack!
Great video! I actually tried an E-foil last spring and it was a blast! My question is, how did you get the video shot starting at 5:19? That's a sick shot and btw a great overall edit!
Just a go pro on a selfie stick. I’m slowly learning how to improve these shots. Thanks so much for the compliment, Billy!
Thanx for the excellent video, i started foilen with efoils from lift. Now sice 5weeks i am learning dockstart & pumping, and it is eben more addictive, greetings from germany
Awesome, Ric! Thanks for the comment. If I can ever help, please reach out ... wakethief@icloud.com
As someone who grew up riding old school jet ski's, including a stand up ski, I'd absolutely love to give one of these things a try. It's really too bad that they're insanely expensive. I could buy a new jet ski (heck, two or three used ones) for the price of one of these boards. I can't help but feel that they should probably be a fifth the price that they are.
I hear you. Perhaps a lesson at a nearby school / demo center is a good start … or keep an eye out and see if you can get to know whoever is flying by! On our lake we’ve had 10+ friends and neighbors flying
Economies of scale will make them more affordable over time. OG jet skis were more expensive than ski boats.
This looks so fun but way more expensive than I expected. Hopefully the technology will eventually become more affordable.
Yes. Please stay tuned. We will be trying some budget efoil a this year.
@@WakeThiefд,,,. 😮
How much is a basic set up?
@Cultivatedneurosis links in description. $6-$12k for efoil. $1-$3k for classic foil
When you fall for example on a foil that you have to pump, do you have to swim all the way back to shore with the bored to start pumping again or is there a way to pump start mid water? Curious on how these work I’ve honestly fell inlove with both and definitely planning on saving for one in the future!
Thanks for the comment, Rubeany! Unfortunately, it’s a long swim home, unless it’s an efoil (provided battery didn’t run out).
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I think that E-Foiling is a lot more fun for people who do not want to spend hours learning a new thing and who just want to relax and have fun, while classic foiling is for people who want to put in the effort and have a workout while having fun.
Well said!
Excellent video!! Thanks 😁
Great toy but the over $10K price tag makes them a very niche product. Hopefully, the manufacturers will modernize their production lines, making more automated, so prices can be brought down. I imagine we have a large enough population dreaming about the product to make the investments justifiable.
Thanks for the comment. They are certainly expensive. The more I’ve used efoils since the video the more I realize it’s a great way for nearly anyone to experience that amazing feeling of flight that us classic foilers love so much.
better pr
Classic foil seems like a serious engineering challenge. Im keen to see the future designs
Awesome! Thanks for checking us out … and please stay tuned. 2022 will be a wild ride!
I was interested until i saw the price of these things. maybe in a few more years they will be lower.
Man, I really want to try an e-foil, get good at it, and ride it dressed as Gru from Despicable Me.
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I don’t see why they cost so much
A price that most people cannot afford is what makes something a luxury item
@@randbarrett8706 so? It doesn't seem that expensive to make. Things are luxury because they have a high price to make not because people want them to be luxurious
Brother you’ve convinced me. This is the year I start to hydrofoil
Yono! It's truly an amazing feeling. If I can help you in any way, please let me know. wakethief@icloud.com
12k for an efoil from what I’ve just looked. That’s insane.
Another wealthy person hobby.
Shit is like $7000.
Then again if you have lake property you probably have that kind of money.
The efoils can get pretty expensive. We like a $5400 Waydoo right now. It works great, and is "reasonably" priced by efoil standards.
At 15k I’ll pass. I bought a boat and two foils for a lot less than that. If I had the scratch sure but one thing at a time!
Makes sense, Hugh. The price is no doubt a deterrent, however if someone was considering a new surf boat you might be able to remove a few surf features to pay for an efoil.
@@WakeThief If I was buying a new surf boat I could buy 20 e foils! I literally paid 5k for my boat, stuck a shaper on the side (I am going to try the bottom thanks to you) and a 3k foil. Beautiful endless waves here in the Canadian Rockies. Nice thing about the boat is the ability to hang out with friends on a boat! It's very social.
This is the dilemma. I think I'd need a friend or spouse or child to have one too, so we could do it together. My rationale has been like yours so far.
@@WakeThief so my friend bought one this spring. First thing the sales guy said was 'you will want two'. :0
Try Waydoo. Same feeling, lower price point.
Another great video. Well done 👍🏻
Thank you Bruce. Means a lot.
Thank You for wearing a helmet. Too many TH-cam videos show non helmeted riders. I was clipped in the head with the sharp wing during a crash last month, which required 11 staples to close a inch and a half gash
Wow! Flite was adamant that we wear a helmet. We honored their request.
Slap some super glue on it keep goin
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA $12,000! You're fucking hilarious!
I really would like to get into foiling using an efoil, since I don't have easy access to boats or jetskis. But these things are suuuper expensive. Do you know if it is viable to build an efoil from scratch and if there is a place to get some information on that?
There's a few DIY efoil forums, but I wouldn't say I know a place to go. You might want to check out foil drive assist in australia. It can be paired with a classic hydrofoil to give some of the features of an efoil.
@@WakeThief Thanks! The drive assist thing looks really promising.
Lake George!!
Great video. your voice is therapeutic and very relaxing to listen to, especially with such music.. Same as efoiling on the lake, it's like yoga on water, very calm experience. However I challenge you also to try Lift or Flite in the waves in the ocean. It's a completely new, very challenging and very rewarding experience, especially with a folding prop or true glide prop. Next week i'll post a Lift 3 review about the folding prop. cheers!
Thank you. I’m a subscriber and fan of your channel. This means a lot coming from you. I can’t wait to see your review. We will be trying a Lift v3 with folding prop. Ted & Aidan have a v3 arriving soon and we hope to share our experience. I have never classic foiled in the ocean. Embarrassing to share this. I look forward to efoiling and classic foiling in the ocean. I also haven’t hand winged. So much still to learn and do, which I’m thrilled about! This sport has so much to offer. Thanks for the comments and I look forward to your video.
@@WakeThief cheers. Well said, this foiling sport is very exciting and has a lot of progressions! Lets keep riding!
Great video ?😂
Check out Clayisland, great foil content as well
agreed!
this is something else, hope you guy's get the success you want here in boracay, so inspired by the efforts and passion to this new sports activity in boracay...
But those props are not that well designed, a lot of cavitation going on. But I suppose having skewed screws is t worth the extra cost and effort
sitting standing walking thinking silent
not performing there fps pid
Can you still pump on an efoil? Or is it too heavy to move without the prop
Too heavy and not enough glide
$12,000 for an eFoil! Another exclusive sport for the privileged and well off.
I would put a chair on it 🏄♂️🪑
I've always wondered how well these handle in choppy water. Our local lake is glass in the early morning hours but by noonish it gets very windy.
It’s more fun on glass but will work on choppy water too.
It is still glassy under the water!
Nice video thank you
Only relevant if in flat waters. Here in Australia we are all near the surf. Classic foil is perfect
Jeez, this could be the worst surf industry product ever... it's only a matter of time till you smash into a manatee or sea turtle hopefully at least destroying your garbage ride and giving you a severe concussion teaching you that hydrofoils are dangerous to Wildlife and look super fruity even when cool people try to ride them, that thing's the "Segway Of The Sea"🤔😆
"E-FOIL" 🤔😂MORE LIKE
E- FAIL 😆👈
Make a bicycle that’s works the same way
Manta 5 has a bicycle that’s similar in principle.
We can invent the boat making it hard to sink and less energy wasted.
This floats well and goes farther and faster because it has a water in water paddle and hoove float device design. Combine both the hoove and the engine block combines. I pray you understand what I ain’t show. Up to 39 get safe but we can recreate industrial hooves and paddles combined to float and take off under 49 foot yachts or fisher boats more quieter to scare fish not any more. How to get what I’m trying to say. I wish my words had a picture to see while I describe how to te invent the boats. And amcargo boats and duelers.
"sport: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment"
Efoiling is not a sport.
Now, don't get me wrong. I don't mind people efoiling. 10000 better than burning fuel and producing a lot of noise and wake on a motor boat. And if you like it and it doesn't hurt anybody else I am all for it.
But efoiling is as much a sport as riding an electric scooter.
In Switzerland, we have no choice, e-foiling is forbidden, so you have to learn pump foiling..
Wow. I didn’t appreciate it was illegal in Switzerland!
E-bikes, E-skates, E-foils, E-surf boards... Why leave the couch if you're just gonna sit on your ass and let the motor do all the work? Leave the stupid remote at home.
Like I really want to try it but I've never ridden a skateboard or surfboard and I'll likely have a hard time riding one. And also I'm afraid of injuries from getting onto one from a dock. I guess I'm afraid I'll jump on one then fall back and hit my head or something idk. I'll need lessons for sure.
13k for efoil, holy @#$&. I could just buy jet skis that run all day?!
Yes. They are a lot of money! A few new models hitting the market this summer that we intend to try.
BMW and Mercedes? Bruh, ever heard of Tesla?
LOL. Yes, that would've been much better, but if one is Tesla, who is the other?
5400$ to stand on a surfboard. You realize that’s the cost of used boats yo. I’ll pass even tho it looks fun. Way overpriced lmfao.
Lmao comparing these boards to BMW and Especially Mercedes are terrible comparisons for their quality.
Both make high performance, terribly built vehicles. That are intentionally build poorly with expensive materials so you have to constantly keep them maintained by the dealership. Both are horrible plastic motor cars lmao.
Compare the boards to actual High Performance vehicles that are actually constructed to last, like a Toyota or a Subaru Both of which are way better vehicle manufacturers. Their cars last 100s of 1000s of miles with 0 problems. Mercedes and BMW break down or have expensive required repairs within 30k miles typically, usually sooner.
Well said! you’re absolutely right.
I so wanted one then I saw the price…more than I spent on my 2 used waverunners…ouch. Standard foil seems to be only cheapskate option but appreciate the video
A classic foil plus this might work. th-cam.com/video/jp6-l2-LZOM/w-d-xo.html
Happy to discuss if you want to email. Wakethief@icloud.com
Give it a few years these things will go down 90%
$12,000?!?! HOLY CRAP BASKETS
I need to try this I need to loose some weight first. What the max weight on of these foils is rated fore I’m around 265
Electric should be fine. Classic … important to get stiff mast. I can help when you’re ready. Wakethief@icloud.com
I just started surfing in the last year and this looks way more accessible to be as a Canadian with many lakes around, but not to many ocean swells to catch.
Just 1 question I haven't seen addressed in any video.
What happens when you fall? With either the efoil or classic, how do you get back on and continue the ride?
Efoil has thrust so you can start it anywhere. Classic foiling requires a nearby dock to borrow for a dock start. 😂
@@WakeThief so on a classic foil of you bail...what then?
Swim to a nearby dock and dock start it (run and jump onto board) or it’s a long swim home. Most people get towed on a classic foil from a jet ski or boat.
@@WakeThief dang that seems like a rich people thing. I'll see myself out.
how the fuck is foiling anywhere near the same a skydiving… Foiling isnt much more fun than a seadoo
Next up wingfoil?
You got it! I just ordered a wing and it’s on my to do list!
@@WakeThief It's on my list, too! Almost bought a setup a couple months ago before I went to Key West.
@@WakeThief Looking forward. I just took my second lesson and had a half dozen brief runs on foil. My previous experience is windsurfing and just two efoil lessons. As I'm sure you're heard, start on a big board. My first session was on a 200+litre monster, the second 145l. And before that spend an hour or two with the wing on dry land, just to get a feel. You'll be flying in no time. enjoy!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing, David. I will certainly share my experience!
@@DavidFoxDotCom I was just watching a video from Damien Leroy's channel that he posted today and he mentions getting out the wing on dry land and working with it. I used to windsurf too, back in the late '80s. I still have all my gear, an O'Brien 12 foot board and a 9 foot O'Brien that I bought back in '88 and a 6 M sail. Good times
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$ 10,000 for one wtf??? Rediculous prices!
Have you priced high end ebikes?
@@SaginawValleyHomestead I've seen a few prices. I also feel the same about those prices!
@@hurstshiftin9873 no different then cars, planes and replacement knees... everything is expensive... damn gallon of milk in DC subs was 7.29g... ridiculous... but relative in the end...
I want to partner with a board brand... we've got 400 ebikes all premium on our salesfloor and I'm ready for more toys... lol...
I'm not sure of this. I believe that it is a little bit precarious. Bad enough to get used to paddle boarding. No! I'm not curious as to that!
Please try out the new Fanatic Aero High Aspect 2000... I could imagine that it's even better than the Axis 1150. Great Content by the way!
Thanks Heinz. Good to hear from you. I’ll check it out!
Devon you must be a One Piece fan 👍
WTF? These things cost $10,000!?!?!?! HOW?
Just looked it up, just shy of 18 grand for an Efoil at the moment
They range from $7000 for waydoo flyer one at mackite to $14k+. These two efoils are about $12k each.
Prizes????
Something about the classic foil looks really awkward!
My only concern is and I love my waterworks but the price of these things are a fortune let's be honest it's only a matter of time before they are copied in China somewhere and they are pumping these out by the millions and the price comes right down they I will buy one like everything e- lift and flight maybe the industry leaders but far too expensive..
Marketing now: “It’s good there’s only 2 companies so it’s easier for you to make a decision!”
Marketing in 10 years: “We have the largest selection of efoils in the world with hundreds of customizable options!”
Get over it! get a JETSURF!!
Cool kid !
Too bad that we had no efoil in my youth, now I am 57 and starting efoiling ... so much fun !!
I hear you! I am upset we didn’t have foils 10yr ago!
Seems super cool but firstly, I don't really have a lake near by I can try this in besides lake Michigan which is pretty far out from me (2 hours or more for a spot to do this). And secondly both look insanely expensive. So I'll pass but seems super cool.
Thanks for the comment. It's totally fair. If you're like me and have had dreams of flying, this is as close to that feeling as I've experienced. If you're ever on vacation, pull up the lift and flite and demo center locations and treat yourself to a great experience. Thanks again for your comment.
Ima be honest I don’t see the appeal of this at all. Like I feel I’d get bored of it in a couple hours and then never go back. I’ll stick to my foiling wind sports for now I think
Looks cool but I think you would get bored pretty quick. Just standing there doing nothing ?
It’s not for everyone. I prefer classic foiling (self powering).
We Kiteboard and almost everyone has a foil for lite wind days, The Crazy Price is the Efoil problem and they look like they could get a bit boring after awhile but lots of fun at first Im sure
I have a foil drive gen 2 attached to my masts which is a good way to get used to new boards or foils that I’ll use for wing or prone foiling. I can efoil around with it too, though my local lake community just banned efoils.
$15k! Looks like a blast but out of reach for most people.
No doubt the price tag is high and that raises the bar for enjoyment factor!
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Problem is you can’t travel with it cause of the battery
And it can be yours for $12,000!!
5k from china
I took the 2 hour Lift e-foil lesson, and pretty much mastered it. Then bought my own pump/wind/ surf foil set up recently. I have not launched it yet (waiting for some wind on my lake), but I am sure that once I get up I will remember the lesson I had in the Fall in Destin, FL. My question is, can you steal the wake at 3:51 and shut off the e-foil motor? One more thing, It sounds like you have never done wing foiling. I think you need to do that before you lump pump foiling and wing foiling into "Classic' foiling.
Thanks! Yes, I’ve done some wake surfing w efoil a but it’s not as much fun as I had hoped. Check out our recent Flite video. You can see us doing it. I’ve wing foiled a few times now. Our lake just isn’t very windy.
Having people asking about it, answering the same question over and over would make me never do this. I’ll stick to canoeing.
rent Lift in San Diego a few times now. I bought (Australia boost - my brain is mush and I forget - 'edrive'?), anyway I bought it end of last season. (small lake in nepa) and played with it with my 5mm. even with 5mm I was afaid of a cardiac issue in front of my daughters, so I didn't play long. very excited to get this season going and hopeful get better at wing foiling (the goal). I don't think I can pump at my age but would love to ride the wakes. btw get Evolve Bamboo GTR AT... great fun carving... just trying to find an airline friendly battery for my daughters and I during layover. I enjoy your videos. great work, great editing, great info!
Thanks so much for your kind words. Are you think foil drive? We really enjoyed it last year. A great balance between what we love with efoiling and classic foiling, blended into one. If I can ever help, please don’t hesitate to reach out. Wakethief@icloud.com
Really glad you landed on that particular conclusion, as I am taking the opposite of your journey. Got about 30-40 hrs on my efoil, but finally going to learn dockstart pumpfoiling this August. Super stoked, especially since watching your videos! Expectations: Less zen, more fun of mastery of technique, more dopamine from the work-out.
Find it odd that the heavy efoil was as easy to turn as regular foil, but then again that could be your Axis HA foil vs low-aspect efoil that really was compared. Or it could be mass is so centered on efoil that difference in foot-pressure is marginal. Did you compare on quick rail-2-rail too, not just single turn maneuvers?
Hi Sven. Lets please keep in touch. I suspect I can learn a lot from your journey. Yes, I am riding large wingspan wings which had as much roll resistance as the smaller efoil wings. Great point! I think you're right, though. Small movements have less roll resistance on a regular foil because you can introduce yaw with your back foot as you then roll wing to carve, while I couldn't do this on an efoil as easily due to the thrust driving you in forward direction. I think I should make a video comparing that point. Thanks for bringing it up!
@@WakeThief So here is the end result from dock starts:
Naish 2140(projected surface) HA (5.4 AR), 310HA rear wing, 75cm mast, 60cm fuse
BW 215lbs
200 attempts split on 10 days.
Best attempt had me at about 7-8 pumps before I stalled. I can only blame my lack of pumping technique, though it would probably have been easier with an even bigger foil.
The dock had giant bars on the sides which made it impossible to do any running start, so I was forced to do a stationary start. No calm water, and some undercurent made it harder on several of the days.
Got a family member to film a couple of my attempts for every session to check where I could improve my technique or whether I made any progress. On my best attempts I could feel the glide from a couple of my pumps, but the margin of error is so small I could not keep it up .
On a sidenote: The guy doing the filming was a skateboarder with no foiling experience, but at 170lbs I thought he would have a massive advantage on both bw and boarding skils, but alas, after about 10 failed attempts he was not motivated to keep grinding!
As I had not mastered the pumping technique prior to these attempts, I failed to complete my goal for the summer, but I am (still) super stoked about foiling. Next step is learning winging and hopefully master the pumping technique.
Please send me some vids. Happy to help diagnose as best I can. Wakethief@icloud.com
@@WakeThief Super generous of you. Will be in touch!
I love this stuff! Thanks for reaching out
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Im worried your killing the fish eith that thing..
The first time I saw one of these things, I was tripping acid out on the lake. I legit could not decide if I was hallucinating or not
he expects everyone to buy that for 10 grand!
…cold day in hyacinth…hah!…ny has two seasons: winter and the Fourth of July…
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As a Onewheel enthusiast I've always desperately wanted one, but man those price tags...
Great video, great channel, great info❤️ Fom 🇲🇾
Thank you 🙌
Excellent video review! As always, thorough and fair. Just watching your video makes me want to get on the water. Can’t wait for my next foil session on our new Lift equipment.
Thank you! You must be having a blast this summer. Loving seeing your family at “work.” You guys are living your best life. I hope you’re well.
Its rather amazing that all the questions from curious onlookers; and none of them asked the cost. hee hee...
Foiling technology makes you fly over the water and the efficiency is the key to electrify #watersport ❤
"BMW" and "great products" is... incorrect at best. completely wrong every other time.
You’re right! A few others have made the comment. I want a do over!
@@WakeThief blame Beamer for selling you minimum safety as optional extras XD
best comp for merc would be jag. Though earlier jags.
$10,000???
Your video made me check out traditional foiling, but I didn't find anything on water take-offs. Like, when you crash and have to get. going again. Is that not a thing, lol?
Wipeouts are real … sometimes I have a long swim home!
Efoil takes a long time to master. That is part of the fun. My Fliteboard has been working for years. Never any problem.
At 15k, the entry threshold is steep.
Yes! This is our favorite budget efoil. We will be sharing a video soon … if you use the wakethief coupon code, they will include a free battery storage container. Our Favorite Budget Electric Foil (under $7,000):
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Omg it costs over $6k! That sucks. It looks fun.
Yes. They’re expensive. This one is less expensive. th-cam.com/video/j-qAsiApf7E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MS2vz1V13LokZG85
Weird seeing this but i live in lake george
Had no idea people hydrofoiled on lakes.
Was interested in this till I saw the price of one of these things… no thanks