Efoiling is easily the best way to learn to foil and opens the door to FoilWorld which is an amazing place. I learned on an efoil and used it to get into wingfoiling which I find so much more satisfying as there’s so much more challenge involved for a former windsurfer/surfer/snowboarder. My wife doesn’t have that background and LOVES efoiling. Everybody needs to hire one at least once!
I couldn't agree more, Geoff. I hosted Aidan at my house a few weeks ago. Once he got flying out of the water, I could see his instinct kick in. He was amazingly comfortable and looked great on a foil. No doubt it's a great way to learn! I'm so glad you and your wife can share efoiling. How cool.
Indeed, that is my strategy. I also have a windsurfing and kiteboarding background. I think I will love wing foiling better then e-foiling. Plus $13k is much more than a wing rig (now about $2k). My next purchase will be an inflatable wing board so i can wing anywhere I travel to. You cannot bring an e-foil with you on a plane.
this is something else, hope you guy's get the success you want here in boracay, so inspired by the efforts and passion to this new sports activity in boracay...
Lets be honest the price of these things puts them outside the realm of possibilities for 99% of the population. $15,000 US for the Lift3 ??? I could buy a Seadoo and a fishing boat for that price.
Thank You for wearing a helmet. Too many TH-cam videos show non helmeted riders. I was clipped in the head with the sharp wing during a crash last month, which required 11 staples to close a inch and a half gash
I have a foil drive gen 2 attached to my masts which is a good way to get used to new boards or foils that I’ll use for wing or prone foiling. I can efoil around with it too, though my local lake community just banned efoils.
When you fall for example on a foil that you have to pump, do you have to swim all the way back to shore with the bored to start pumping again or is there a way to pump start mid water? Curious on how these work I’ve honestly fell inlove with both and definitely planning on saving for one in the future!
Great video. your voice is therapeutic and very relaxing to listen to, especially with such music.. Same as efoiling on the lake, it's like yoga on water, very calm experience. However I challenge you also to try Lift or Flite in the waves in the ocean. It's a completely new, very challenging and very rewarding experience, especially with a folding prop or true glide prop. Next week i'll post a Lift 3 review about the folding prop. cheers!
Thank you. I’m a subscriber and fan of your channel. This means a lot coming from you. I can’t wait to see your review. We will be trying a Lift v3 with folding prop. Ted & Aidan have a v3 arriving soon and we hope to share our experience. I have never classic foiled in the ocean. Embarrassing to share this. I look forward to efoiling and classic foiling in the ocean. I also haven’t hand winged. So much still to learn and do, which I’m thrilled about! This sport has so much to offer. Thanks for the comments and I look forward to your video.
Oh no. Home was Hawaii. Surfing, all manner of water sports, skydiving (unfortunately no wing suits back then), hang gliding, and in other parts of the world, skiing, racing cars, drag and circuit… I thought I’d done just about every sporting thrill I’d want to try. I’m 68 and play golf (over 45 years) then here you go mentioning bucket list. I live in the highlands of Japan now and though I’d never try wing suits at my age, I still love deep powder on a 38* slope. I have got to try foil and efoils while I still think I can. You got this old heart racing again. Yup, a bucket list item for sure. Thanks.
James! Now that’s one amazing life! Thrilled there’s something we can find to add to your bucket list! Let me know if I can ever help. I’ve met a few folks in Japan through foiling. Best wishes. Devon
Hello Devon, nothing amazing to speak of but as a reckless hedonist my golden years are not as bright as could be. The world is going crazy as past generations have never before witnessed but I believe humanity will overcome and we’ll continue to seek activities to enjoy and expand our experiences. I won’t be surfing anymore nor even skateboarding but foiling; that’s got me really excited. Thanks for your reply and offer.
As a former skateboarder, now 41, foiling scratches the itch of my teenage past time! Thanks for the note back. I have no doubt you’re living your best life.
Excellent video review! As always, thorough and fair. Just watching your video makes me want to get on the water. Can’t wait for my next foil session on our new Lift equipment.
I took the 2 hour Lift e-foil lesson, and pretty much mastered it. Then bought my own pump/wind/ surf foil set up recently. I have not launched it yet (waiting for some wind on my lake), but I am sure that once I get up I will remember the lesson I had in the Fall in Destin, FL. My question is, can you steal the wake at 3:51 and shut off the e-foil motor? One more thing, It sounds like you have never done wing foiling. I think you need to do that before you lump pump foiling and wing foiling into "Classic' foiling.
Thanks! Yes, I’ve done some wake surfing w efoil a but it’s not as much fun as I had hoped. Check out our recent Flite video. You can see us doing it. I’ve wing foiled a few times now. Our lake just isn’t very windy.
Great video! I actually tried an E-foil last spring and it was a blast! My question is, how did you get the video shot starting at 5:19? That's a sick shot and btw a great overall edit!
As someone who grew up riding old school jet ski's, including a stand up ski, I'd absolutely love to give one of these things a try. It's really too bad that they're insanely expensive. I could buy a new jet ski (heck, two or three used ones) for the price of one of these boards. I can't help but feel that they should probably be a fifth the price that they are.
I hear you. Perhaps a lesson at a nearby school / demo center is a good start … or keep an eye out and see if you can get to know whoever is flying by! On our lake we’ve had 10+ friends and neighbors flying
Thanx for the excellent video, i started foilen with efoils from lift. Now sice 5weeks i am learning dockstart & pumping, and it is eben more addictive, greetings from germany
We Kiteboard and almost everyone has a foil for lite wind days, The Crazy Price is the Efoil problem and they look like they could get a bit boring after awhile but lots of fun at first Im sure
I think that E-Foiling is a lot more fun for people who do not want to spend hours learning a new thing and who just want to relax and have fun, while classic foiling is for people who want to put in the effort and have a workout while having fun.
Really glad you landed on that particular conclusion, as I am taking the opposite of your journey. Got about 30-40 hrs on my efoil, but finally going to learn dockstart pumpfoiling this August. Super stoked, especially since watching your videos! Expectations: Less zen, more fun of mastery of technique, more dopamine from the work-out. Find it odd that the heavy efoil was as easy to turn as regular foil, but then again that could be your Axis HA foil vs low-aspect efoil that really was compared. Or it could be mass is so centered on efoil that difference in foot-pressure is marginal. Did you compare on quick rail-2-rail too, not just single turn maneuvers?
Hi Sven. Lets please keep in touch. I suspect I can learn a lot from your journey. Yes, I am riding large wingspan wings which had as much roll resistance as the smaller efoil wings. Great point! I think you're right, though. Small movements have less roll resistance on a regular foil because you can introduce yaw with your back foot as you then roll wing to carve, while I couldn't do this on an efoil as easily due to the thrust driving you in forward direction. I think I should make a video comparing that point. Thanks for bringing it up!
@@WakeThief So here is the end result from dock starts: Naish 2140(projected surface) HA (5.4 AR), 310HA rear wing, 75cm mast, 60cm fuse BW 215lbs 200 attempts split on 10 days. Best attempt had me at about 7-8 pumps before I stalled. I can only blame my lack of pumping technique, though it would probably have been easier with an even bigger foil. The dock had giant bars on the sides which made it impossible to do any running start, so I was forced to do a stationary start. No calm water, and some undercurent made it harder on several of the days. Got a family member to film a couple of my attempts for every session to check where I could improve my technique or whether I made any progress. On my best attempts I could feel the glide from a couple of my pumps, but the margin of error is so small I could not keep it up . On a sidenote: The guy doing the filming was a skateboarder with no foiling experience, but at 170lbs I thought he would have a massive advantage on both bw and boarding skils, but alas, after about 10 failed attempts he was not motivated to keep grinding! As I had not mastered the pumping technique prior to these attempts, I failed to complete my goal for the summer, but I am (still) super stoked about foiling. Next step is learning winging and hopefully master the pumping technique.
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rent Lift in San Diego a few times now. I bought (Australia boost - my brain is mush and I forget - 'edrive'?), anyway I bought it end of last season. (small lake in nepa) and played with it with my 5mm. even with 5mm I was afaid of a cardiac issue in front of my daughters, so I didn't play long. very excited to get this season going and hopeful get better at wing foiling (the goal). I don't think I can pump at my age but would love to ride the wakes. btw get Evolve Bamboo GTR AT... great fun carving... just trying to find an airline friendly battery for my daughters and I during layover. I enjoy your videos. great work, great editing, great info!
Thanks so much for your kind words. Are you think foil drive? We really enjoyed it last year. A great balance between what we love with efoiling and classic foiling, blended into one. If I can ever help, please don’t hesitate to reach out. Wakethief@icloud.com
The feeling of flight is something else. I’m probably at 500 hours of foiling and just yesterday I had session behind the boat that will live on in my mind for the rest of my life. The efoil makes the sport so much more accessible … good luck on your journey. Please stay tuned. We’re not done with efoils!
Your video made me check out traditional foiling, but I didn't find anything on water take-offs. Like, when you crash and have to get. going again. Is that not a thing, lol?
Great toy but the over $10K price tag makes them a very niche product. Hopefully, the manufacturers will modernize their production lines, making more automated, so prices can be brought down. I imagine we have a large enough population dreaming about the product to make the investments justifiable.
Thanks for the comment. They are certainly expensive. The more I’ve used efoils since the video the more I realize it’s a great way for nearly anyone to experience that amazing feeling of flight that us classic foilers love so much.
I haven’t seen anyone do this … I wasn’t able to because … too much drag under the water and so much speed needed to keep me and a 70lb efoil flying that the thrust from pumping is just too great for me to create.
200 Classic wing. I've tried the 200HA and 250HA for regular foiling. This was a nice wing for sure, but I don't have enough expertise on efoil wing performance and didn't try enough lift wings to have a perspective I'm proud of. Please reach out to lift for a retailer. Aidan and Ted can be reached at ADKEFOIL@gmail.com I'm positive they can help!
Both were great. I think there’s pros and cons and since this video has been released each have improved their product (new Flite controller). With my son being the main user, I liked the inherent safety features that Flite has included in their design.
I just started surfing in the last year and this looks way more accessible to be as a Canadian with many lakes around, but not to many ocean swells to catch. Just 1 question I haven't seen addressed in any video. What happens when you fall? With either the efoil or classic, how do you get back on and continue the ride?
Swim to a nearby dock and dock start it (run and jump onto board) or it’s a long swim home. Most people get towed on a classic foil from a jet ski or boat.
Like I really want to try it but I've never ridden a skateboard or surfboard and I'll likely have a hard time riding one. And also I'm afraid of injuries from getting onto one from a dock. I guess I'm afraid I'll jump on one then fall back and hit my head or something idk. I'll need lessons for sure.
Very cool review mate. Would be great if Waydoo could hook you up with an e-foil to try as well, given they are a very popular e-foil for the consumer at a more accessible price point (the Hyundai of the e-foil world, compared with the BMW and Mercedes of e-foil world). Keep up the great work mate!
@@mikeb1039 I'm not sure what you refer to? We ride the second generation boards from Waydoo and it is well known that they are less noisy than the Fliteboard and I can promise you, our speeds meet (and have exceeded once or twice) the advertised speed, run time, the same story (often longer than advertised for Gen 2 boards). No known motor failures in second generation boards, and the bent mast you refer to is the long mast from the first (kickstarter) boards, which are no longer available. Good news though, is customers who had product failures from the first generation Waydoo boards have all received second generation replacement parts.
@@randbarrett8706 so? It doesn't seem that expensive to make. Things are luxury because they have a high price to make not because people want them to be luxurious
@@WakeThief I've kite foiled with my all carbón tiny "pocket" board foiling for many years without a helmet. The primary difference is when you screw up a 6 pound board hits your head vs a 60 pound board with much more inertia
Thank you. That is super high praise from a credible channel like yours. I really appreciate the comment. I'm an efoil newbie and have a lot to learn from your channel and others.
That's awesome. If you know how to foil, I'd recommend a board that's ~5ft. If you don't, something larger. If I can help, let me know. wakethief@icloud.com
I got the '5. It's a good compromise size for ease of waterstart, and low swing weight for carving. But this also depends on your body weight.... I'm 155 pounds, 5' 10"
@@kippywylie I am the same hight but weight is 30lbs heavier. The 4.9 -5 seems to be a great size to start with. I would change the size once I felt I have mastered it.
@@WakeThief Looking forward. I just took my second lesson and had a half dozen brief runs on foil. My previous experience is windsurfing and just two efoil lessons. As I'm sure you're heard, start on a big board. My first session was on a 200+litre monster, the second 145l. And before that spend an hour or two with the wing on dry land, just to get a feel. You'll be flying in no time. enjoy!
@@DavidFoxDotCom I was just watching a video from Damien Leroy's channel that he posted today and he mentions getting out the wing on dry land and working with it. I used to windsurf too, back in the late '80s. I still have all my gear, an O'Brien 12 foot board and a 9 foot O'Brien that I bought back in '88 and a 6 M sail. Good times
@@WakeThief It would be nice if it were possible to combine the two. A lightweight efoil that has just enough power to get you off the water, and assist your pumping enough that your range is far greater than a classic foiler
Makes sense, Hugh. The price is no doubt a deterrent, however if someone was considering a new surf boat you might be able to remove a few surf features to pay for an efoil.
@@WakeThief If I was buying a new surf boat I could buy 20 e foils! I literally paid 5k for my boat, stuck a shaper on the side (I am going to try the bottom thanks to you) and a 3k foil. Beautiful endless waves here in the Canadian Rockies. Nice thing about the boat is the ability to hang out with friends on a boat! It's very social.
This is the dilemma. I think I'd need a friend or spouse or child to have one too, so we could do it together. My rationale has been like yours so far.
I really would like to get into foiling using an efoil, since I don't have easy access to boats or jetskis. But these things are suuuper expensive. Do you know if it is viable to build an efoil from scratch and if there is a place to get some information on that?
There's a few DIY efoil forums, but I wouldn't say I know a place to go. You might want to check out foil drive assist in australia. It can be paired with a classic hydrofoil to give some of the features of an efoil.
Marketing now: “It’s good there’s only 2 companies so it’s easier for you to make a decision!” Marketing in 10 years: “We have the largest selection of efoils in the world with hundreds of customizable options!”
It floats, and there's a strap that encloses your palm to the controller. Have not had a problem in 3 months. Besides.... If you drop it everything would stop and you simply grab it again.
That’s a tough question … there’s a lot of classic foil brands. Each seem to specialize at different things. Like any industry there are pros and cons of each.
Ohhhh! That cavitation at 4:21 is So bad! Was the wing damaged? I had a wing that had cavitation like that and it got so turbulent at 17mph. Like I hit a wall! Great video as always! Thanks!
Can you learn pump the the Efoil and after you get the hang on a Efoil can you dock start a traditional foil or will it be hours and days to learn to dock start
Efoiling is a great way to learn to foil … I’ve seen people who were great efoilers learn very quickly the first time they classic foiled. However dock starting and pumping are different animals. No doubt efoiling will make it easier but it will still take 10-20 hours of practice to figure out … but it’s so much fun and so worth the investment of time
@@WakeThief So another words you can’t practice your pumping skills on this board I thought big front wing get the board on foil then shut off motor and start pumping skills can this be done
Seems super cool but firstly, I don't really have a lake near by I can try this in besides lake Michigan which is pretty far out from me (2 hours or more for a spot to do this). And secondly both look insanely expensive. So I'll pass but seems super cool.
Thanks for the comment. It's totally fair. If you're like me and have had dreams of flying, this is as close to that feeling as I've experienced. If you're ever on vacation, pull up the lift and flite and demo center locations and treat yourself to a great experience. Thanks again for your comment.
I so wanted one then I saw the price…more than I spent on my 2 used waverunners…ouch. Standard foil seems to be only cheapskate option but appreciate the video
Efoiling is similar to my favorite sport - lounge chairing.
Attach a chair, and you are set!
It’s a LOT harder than it looks. If you think you just stand on it, you couldn’t be more wrong. He actually mentions this briefly in the video.
@@Fluterra well obvious, you have to balance and guide yourself with your body.
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Efoiling is easily the best way to learn to foil and opens the door to FoilWorld which is an amazing place. I learned on an efoil and used it to get into wingfoiling which I find so much more satisfying as there’s so much more challenge involved for a former windsurfer/surfer/snowboarder. My wife doesn’t have that background and LOVES efoiling.
Everybody needs to hire one at least once!
I couldn't agree more, Geoff. I hosted Aidan at my house a few weeks ago. Once he got flying out of the water, I could see his instinct kick in. He was amazingly comfortable and looked great on a foil. No doubt it's a great way to learn! I'm so glad you and your wife can share efoiling. How cool.
I hear you, Mike. My lake just doesn't have the wind either, which had impeded me learning how to hand wing.
Indeed, that is my strategy. I also have a windsurfing and kiteboarding background. I think I will love wing foiling better then e-foiling. Plus $13k is much more than a wing rig (now about $2k). My next purchase will be an inflatable wing board so i can wing anywhere I travel to. You cannot bring an e-foil with you on a plane.
I love pumping long distances too.
In a nice lounge chair.
Put this in the category of things that look fake. So incredible.
Efoil takes a long time to master. That is part of the fun. My Fliteboard has been working for years. Never any problem.
this is something else, hope you guy's get the success you want here in boracay, so inspired by the efforts and passion to this new sports activity in boracay...
Brother you’ve convinced me. This is the year I start to hydrofoil
Yono! It's truly an amazing feeling. If I can help you in any way, please let me know. wakethief@icloud.com
This looks so fun but way more expensive than I expected. Hopefully the technology will eventually become more affordable.
Yes. Please stay tuned. We will be trying some budget efoil a this year.
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How much is a basic set up?
@Cultivatedneurosis links in description. $6-$12k for efoil. $1-$3k for classic foil
Lets be honest the price of these things puts them outside the realm of possibilities for 99% of the population. $15,000 US for the Lift3 ??? I could buy a Seadoo and a fishing boat for that price.
Whys it so expensive
Foam and fiber is very expensive,😂😂😂
Most people are economic labor units who exist to provide trinkets to the upper class who are the only ones considered actually human
People,we need to stand up and get things on our hands.
@@paolomaldinificationnieche market without much competition. Diy boards can be built for 2K
Thank You for wearing a helmet. Too many TH-cam videos show non helmeted riders. I was clipped in the head with the sharp wing during a crash last month, which required 11 staples to close a inch and a half gash
Wow! Flite was adamant that we wear a helmet. We honored their request.
Slap some super glue on it keep goin
I have a foil drive gen 2 attached to my masts which is a good way to get used to new boards or foils that I’ll use for wing or prone foiling. I can efoil around with it too, though my local lake community just banned efoils.
When you fall for example on a foil that you have to pump, do you have to swim all the way back to shore with the bored to start pumping again or is there a way to pump start mid water? Curious on how these work I’ve honestly fell inlove with both and definitely planning on saving for one in the future!
Thanks for the comment, Rubeany! Unfortunately, it’s a long swim home, unless it’s an efoil (provided battery didn’t run out).
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Great video. your voice is therapeutic and very relaxing to listen to, especially with such music.. Same as efoiling on the lake, it's like yoga on water, very calm experience. However I challenge you also to try Lift or Flite in the waves in the ocean. It's a completely new, very challenging and very rewarding experience, especially with a folding prop or true glide prop. Next week i'll post a Lift 3 review about the folding prop. cheers!
Thank you. I’m a subscriber and fan of your channel. This means a lot coming from you. I can’t wait to see your review. We will be trying a Lift v3 with folding prop. Ted & Aidan have a v3 arriving soon and we hope to share our experience. I have never classic foiled in the ocean. Embarrassing to share this. I look forward to efoiling and classic foiling in the ocean. I also haven’t hand winged. So much still to learn and do, which I’m thrilled about! This sport has so much to offer. Thanks for the comments and I look forward to your video.
@@WakeThief cheers. Well said, this foiling sport is very exciting and has a lot of progressions! Lets keep riding!
Great video ?😂
Check out Clayisland, great foil content as well
agreed!
Oh no.
Home was Hawaii. Surfing, all manner of water sports, skydiving (unfortunately no wing suits back then), hang gliding, and in other parts of the world, skiing, racing cars, drag and circuit… I thought I’d done just about every sporting thrill I’d want to try.
I’m 68 and play golf (over 45 years) then here you go mentioning bucket list. I live in the highlands of Japan now and though I’d never try wing suits at my age, I still love deep powder on a 38* slope.
I have got to try foil and efoils while I still think I can. You got this old heart racing again.
Yup, a bucket list item for sure.
Thanks.
James! Now that’s one amazing life! Thrilled there’s something we can find to add to your bucket list! Let me know if I can ever help. I’ve met a few folks in Japan through foiling. Best wishes. Devon
Hello Devon, nothing amazing to speak of but as a reckless hedonist my golden years are not as bright as could be. The world is going crazy as past generations have never before witnessed but I believe humanity will overcome and we’ll continue to seek activities to enjoy and expand our experiences.
I won’t be surfing anymore nor even skateboarding but foiling; that’s got me really excited.
Thanks for your reply and offer.
As a former skateboarder, now 41, foiling scratches the itch of my teenage past time! Thanks for the note back. I have no doubt you’re living your best life.
Excellent video review! As always, thorough and fair. Just watching your video makes me want to get on the water. Can’t wait for my next foil session on our new Lift equipment.
Thank you! You must be having a blast this summer. Loving seeing your family at “work.” You guys are living your best life. I hope you’re well.
I took the 2 hour Lift e-foil lesson, and pretty much mastered it. Then bought my own pump/wind/ surf foil set up recently. I have not launched it yet (waiting for some wind on my lake), but I am sure that once I get up I will remember the lesson I had in the Fall in Destin, FL. My question is, can you steal the wake at 3:51 and shut off the e-foil motor? One more thing, It sounds like you have never done wing foiling. I think you need to do that before you lump pump foiling and wing foiling into "Classic' foiling.
Thanks! Yes, I’ve done some wake surfing w efoil a but it’s not as much fun as I had hoped. Check out our recent Flite video. You can see us doing it. I’ve wing foiled a few times now. Our lake just isn’t very windy.
Great video! I actually tried an E-foil last spring and it was a blast! My question is, how did you get the video shot starting at 5:19? That's a sick shot and btw a great overall edit!
Just a go pro on a selfie stick. I’m slowly learning how to improve these shots. Thanks so much for the compliment, Billy!
As someone who grew up riding old school jet ski's, including a stand up ski, I'd absolutely love to give one of these things a try. It's really too bad that they're insanely expensive. I could buy a new jet ski (heck, two or three used ones) for the price of one of these boards. I can't help but feel that they should probably be a fifth the price that they are.
I hear you. Perhaps a lesson at a nearby school / demo center is a good start … or keep an eye out and see if you can get to know whoever is flying by! On our lake we’ve had 10+ friends and neighbors flying
Economies of scale will make them more affordable over time. OG jet skis were more expensive than ski boats.
Cool kid !
Too bad that we had no efoil in my youth, now I am 57 and starting efoiling ... so much fun !!
I hear you! I am upset we didn’t have foils 10yr ago!
Thanx for the excellent video, i started foilen with efoils from lift. Now sice 5weeks i am learning dockstart & pumping, and it is eben more addictive, greetings from germany
Awesome, Ric! Thanks for the comment. If I can ever help, please reach out ... wakethief@icloud.com
Classic foil seems like a serious engineering challenge. Im keen to see the future designs
Awesome! Thanks for checking us out … and please stay tuned. 2022 will be a wild ride!
We Kiteboard and almost everyone has a foil for lite wind days, The Crazy Price is the Efoil problem and they look like they could get a bit boring after awhile but lots of fun at first Im sure
This is a well put together video keep up the great work! Those prices for lessons are Steep this is a rich mans sport
Thank you. Check out our recent video here. This is good value for $6,400.
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I've always wondered how well these handle in choppy water. Our local lake is glass in the early morning hours but by noonish it gets very windy.
It’s more fun on glass but will work on choppy water too.
It is still glassy under the water!
I think that E-Foiling is a lot more fun for people who do not want to spend hours learning a new thing and who just want to relax and have fun, while classic foiling is for people who want to put in the effort and have a workout while having fun.
Well said!
Very helpful demo and explanation about the differences.
Not really. He showed pump foiling. Not wing foiling or prone foiling… just one type as if pumping was all there is.
Looks super fun.. can't wait to try it!
It's a blast! Let me know if I can ever help!
Really glad you landed on that particular conclusion, as I am taking the opposite of your journey. Got about 30-40 hrs on my efoil, but finally going to learn dockstart pumpfoiling this August. Super stoked, especially since watching your videos! Expectations: Less zen, more fun of mastery of technique, more dopamine from the work-out.
Find it odd that the heavy efoil was as easy to turn as regular foil, but then again that could be your Axis HA foil vs low-aspect efoil that really was compared. Or it could be mass is so centered on efoil that difference in foot-pressure is marginal. Did you compare on quick rail-2-rail too, not just single turn maneuvers?
Hi Sven. Lets please keep in touch. I suspect I can learn a lot from your journey. Yes, I am riding large wingspan wings which had as much roll resistance as the smaller efoil wings. Great point! I think you're right, though. Small movements have less roll resistance on a regular foil because you can introduce yaw with your back foot as you then roll wing to carve, while I couldn't do this on an efoil as easily due to the thrust driving you in forward direction. I think I should make a video comparing that point. Thanks for bringing it up!
@@WakeThief So here is the end result from dock starts:
Naish 2140(projected surface) HA (5.4 AR), 310HA rear wing, 75cm mast, 60cm fuse
BW 215lbs
200 attempts split on 10 days.
Best attempt had me at about 7-8 pumps before I stalled. I can only blame my lack of pumping technique, though it would probably have been easier with an even bigger foil.
The dock had giant bars on the sides which made it impossible to do any running start, so I was forced to do a stationary start. No calm water, and some undercurent made it harder on several of the days.
Got a family member to film a couple of my attempts for every session to check where I could improve my technique or whether I made any progress. On my best attempts I could feel the glide from a couple of my pumps, but the margin of error is so small I could not keep it up .
On a sidenote: The guy doing the filming was a skateboarder with no foiling experience, but at 170lbs I thought he would have a massive advantage on both bw and boarding skils, but alas, after about 10 failed attempts he was not motivated to keep grinding!
As I had not mastered the pumping technique prior to these attempts, I failed to complete my goal for the summer, but I am (still) super stoked about foiling. Next step is learning winging and hopefully master the pumping technique.
Please send me some vids. Happy to help diagnose as best I can. Wakethief@icloud.com
@@WakeThief Super generous of you. Will be in touch!
I love this stuff! Thanks for reaching out
Excellent video!! Thanks 😁
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Please reach out if you'd like us to review this product. Thanks, Devon. Wakethief@icloud.com
Lake George!!
sitting standing walking thinking silent
rent Lift in San Diego a few times now. I bought (Australia boost - my brain is mush and I forget - 'edrive'?), anyway I bought it end of last season. (small lake in nepa) and played with it with my 5mm. even with 5mm I was afaid of a cardiac issue in front of my daughters, so I didn't play long. very excited to get this season going and hopeful get better at wing foiling (the goal). I don't think I can pump at my age but would love to ride the wakes. btw get Evolve Bamboo GTR AT... great fun carving... just trying to find an airline friendly battery for my daughters and I during layover. I enjoy your videos. great work, great editing, great info!
Thanks so much for your kind words. Are you think foil drive? We really enjoyed it last year. A great balance between what we love with efoiling and classic foiling, blended into one. If I can ever help, please don’t hesitate to reach out. Wakethief@icloud.com
Just went out on an Efoil today and I’m having withdrawals. Wish it was mine but it wasn’t. I gotta get one for myself
The feeling of flight is something else. I’m probably at 500 hours of foiling and just yesterday I had session behind the boat that will live on in my mind for the rest of my life. The efoil makes the sport so much more accessible … good luck on your journey. Please stay tuned. We’re not done with efoils!
Great video, great channel, great info❤️ Fom 🇲🇾
Thank you 🙌
Man, I really want to try an e-foil, get good at it, and ride it dressed as Gru from Despicable Me.
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Your video made me check out traditional foiling, but I didn't find anything on water take-offs. Like, when you crash and have to get. going again. Is that not a thing, lol?
Wipeouts are real … sometimes I have a long swim home!
Great toy but the over $10K price tag makes them a very niche product. Hopefully, the manufacturers will modernize their production lines, making more automated, so prices can be brought down. I imagine we have a large enough population dreaming about the product to make the investments justifiable.
Thanks for the comment. They are certainly expensive. The more I’ve used efoils since the video the more I realize it’s a great way for nearly anyone to experience that amazing feeling of flight that us classic foilers love so much.
better pr
Need to combine this with the WIG craft
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Another great video. Well done 👍🏻
Thank you Bruce. Means a lot.
not performing there fps pid
Can’t you manually pump the efoil when you don’t press the throttle? Best of both worlds :)
I haven’t seen anyone do this … I wasn’t able to because … too much drag under the water and so much speed needed to keep me and a 70lb efoil flying that the thrust from pumping is just too great for me to create.
Please try out the new Fanatic Aero High Aspect 2000... I could imagine that it's even better than the Axis 1150. Great Content by the way!
Thanks Heinz. Good to hear from you. I’ll check it out!
Thank you for a great video,Which wing did you try on Lyft please in what’s your feedback
200 Classic wing. I've tried the 200HA and 250HA for regular foiling. This was a nice wing for sure, but I don't have enough expertise on efoil wing performance and didn't try enough lift wings to have a perspective I'm proud of. Please reach out to lift for a retailer. Aidan and Ted can be reached at ADKEFOIL@gmail.com I'm positive they can help!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA $12,000! You're fucking hilarious!
Thanks for the great video. Any thoughts on which you would recommend…Flite vs Lift?
Both were great. I think there’s pros and cons and since this video has been released each have improved their product (new Flite controller). With my son being the main user, I liked the inherent safety features that Flite has included in their design.
@@WakeThief Thanks!
I just started surfing in the last year and this looks way more accessible to be as a Canadian with many lakes around, but not to many ocean swells to catch.
Just 1 question I haven't seen addressed in any video.
What happens when you fall? With either the efoil or classic, how do you get back on and continue the ride?
Efoil has thrust so you can start it anywhere. Classic foiling requires a nearby dock to borrow for a dock start. 😂
@@WakeThief so on a classic foil of you bail...what then?
Swim to a nearby dock and dock start it (run and jump onto board) or it’s a long swim home. Most people get towed on a classic foil from a jet ski or boat.
@@WakeThief dang that seems like a rich people thing. I'll see myself out.
Only relevant if in flat waters. Here in Australia we are all near the surf. Classic foil is perfect
$12,000?!?! HOLY CRAP BASKETS
The first time I saw one of these things, I was tripping acid out on the lake. I legit could not decide if I was hallucinating or not
Like I really want to try it but I've never ridden a skateboard or surfboard and I'll likely have a hard time riding one. And also I'm afraid of injuries from getting onto one from a dock. I guess I'm afraid I'll jump on one then fall back and hit my head or something idk. I'll need lessons for sure.
Very cool review mate. Would be great if Waydoo could hook you up with an e-foil to try as well, given they are a very popular e-foil for the consumer at a more accessible price point (the Hyundai of the e-foil world, compared with the BMW and Mercedes of e-foil world). Keep up the great work mate!
Thank you. I'm working hard to get a Waydoo right now. Appreciate the comment.
@@mikeb1039 I'm not sure what you refer to? We ride the second generation boards from Waydoo and it is well known that they are less noisy than the Fliteboard and I can promise you, our speeds meet (and have exceeded once or twice) the advertised speed, run time, the same story (often longer than advertised for Gen 2 boards). No known motor failures in second generation boards, and the bent mast you refer to is the long mast from the first (kickstarter) boards, which are no longer available. Good news though, is customers who had product failures from the first generation Waydoo boards have all received second generation replacement parts.
I was interested until i saw the price of these things. maybe in a few more years they will be lower.
I don’t see why they cost so much
A price that most people cannot afford is what makes something a luxury item
@@randbarrett8706 so? It doesn't seem that expensive to make. Things are luxury because they have a high price to make not because people want them to be luxurious
Can you still pump on an efoil? Or is it too heavy to move without the prop
Too heavy and not enough glide
As a Onewheel enthusiast I've always desperately wanted one, but man those price tags...
I like seeing all with helmets. I had a frightening crash with 12 stitches and a near out cold drowning. Now it's all helmet
Wow! I’m sorry to hear that. We haven’t had any close calls but this sport can be dangerous and helmets are a must.
@@WakeThief I've kite foiled with my all carbón tiny "pocket" board foiling for many years without a helmet. The primary difference is when you screw up a 6 pound board hits your head vs a 60 pound board with much more inertia
People think it’s easy, until they try, especially on the ocean !
Having people asking about it, answering the same question over and over would make me never do this. I’ll stick to canoeing.
Devon you must be a One Piece fan 👍
Nice video thank you
Nice review!
Thank you. That is super high praise from a credible channel like yours. I really appreciate the comment. I'm an efoil newbie and have a lot to learn from your channel and others.
Thanks for shearing, beautiful
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment, Pedro.
I need to try this I need to loose some weight first. What the max weight on of these foils is rated fore I’m around 265
Electric should be fine. Classic … important to get stiff mast. I can help when you’re ready. Wakethief@icloud.com
Nice!
I live along the Thames river so efoiling is a no brainier. It’s now just a matter of what size.
That's awesome. If you know how to foil, I'd recommend a board that's ~5ft. If you don't, something larger. If I can help, let me know. wakethief@icloud.com
I got the '5. It's a good compromise size for ease of waterstart, and low swing weight for carving. But this also depends on your body weight.... I'm 155 pounds, 5' 10"
@@kippywylie I am the same hight but weight is 30lbs heavier. The 4.9 -5 seems to be a great size to start with. I would change the size once I felt I have mastered it.
Thanks!!!
Next up wingfoil?
You got it! I just ordered a wing and it’s on my to do list!
@@WakeThief It's on my list, too! Almost bought a setup a couple months ago before I went to Key West.
@@WakeThief Looking forward. I just took my second lesson and had a half dozen brief runs on foil. My previous experience is windsurfing and just two efoil lessons. As I'm sure you're heard, start on a big board. My first session was on a 200+litre monster, the second 145l. And before that spend an hour or two with the wing on dry land, just to get a feel. You'll be flying in no time. enjoy!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing, David. I will certainly share my experience!
@@DavidFoxDotCom I was just watching a video from Damien Leroy's channel that he posted today and he mentions getting out the wing on dry land and working with it. I used to windsurf too, back in the late '80s. I still have all my gear, an O'Brien 12 foot board and a 9 foot O'Brien that I bought back in '88 and a 6 M sail. Good times
Get over it! get a JETSURF!!
Would it be easier to learn e-foiling first or classic foiling?
Efoiling
@@WakeThief It would be nice if it were possible to combine the two. A lightweight efoil that has just enough power to get you off the water, and assist your pumping enough that your range is far greater than a classic foiler
@macrumpton this product combines the two pretty well. tinyurl.com/42uf42ed
I'm waiting for a land retrofit
Do you have to register this as a boat?
Its rather amazing that all the questions from curious onlookers; and none of them asked the cost. hee hee...
Rockland County represent
At 15k I’ll pass. I bought a boat and two foils for a lot less than that. If I had the scratch sure but one thing at a time!
Makes sense, Hugh. The price is no doubt a deterrent, however if someone was considering a new surf boat you might be able to remove a few surf features to pay for an efoil.
@@WakeThief If I was buying a new surf boat I could buy 20 e foils! I literally paid 5k for my boat, stuck a shaper on the side (I am going to try the bottom thanks to you) and a 3k foil. Beautiful endless waves here in the Canadian Rockies. Nice thing about the boat is the ability to hang out with friends on a boat! It's very social.
This is the dilemma. I think I'd need a friend or spouse or child to have one too, so we could do it together. My rationale has been like yours so far.
@@WakeThief so my friend bought one this spring. First thing the sales guy said was 'you will want two'. :0
Try Waydoo. Same feeling, lower price point.
I really would like to get into foiling using an efoil, since I don't have easy access to boats or jetskis. But these things are suuuper expensive. Do you know if it is viable to build an efoil from scratch and if there is a place to get some information on that?
There's a few DIY efoil forums, but I wouldn't say I know a place to go. You might want to check out foil drive assist in australia. It can be paired with a classic hydrofoil to give some of the features of an efoil.
@@WakeThief Thanks! The drive assist thing looks really promising.
Marketing now: “It’s good there’s only 2 companies so it’s easier for you to make a decision!”
Marketing in 10 years: “We have the largest selection of efoils in the world with hundreds of customizable options!”
12k for an efoil from what I’ve just looked. That’s insane.
way to go!
Thanks, Jane. I appreciate the comment.
...I am surprised that there is not a wrist strap on the controller. I would hate to lose that thing to the water.
There is a wrist strap on both controllers. As far as I know they float too, but dropping one might be hard to find.
It floats, and there's a strap that encloses your palm to the controller. Have not had a problem in 3 months. Besides.... If you drop it everything would stop and you simply grab it again.
Problem is you can’t travel with it cause of the battery
Where should I buy it. Give us any link.
Please see the description of the video for all the links
But those props are not that well designed, a lot of cavitation going on. But I suppose having skewed screws is t worth the extra cost and effort
What’s the best classic foil and e foil brand.
That’s a tough question … there’s a lot of classic foil brands. Each seem to specialize at different things. Like any industry there are pros and cons of each.
Ohhhh! That cavitation at 4:21 is So bad! Was the wing damaged? I had a wing that had cavitation like that and it got so turbulent at 17mph. Like I hit a wall! Great video as always! Thanks!
I've never had any damage, thankfully! Going fast and hitting something can be brutal, I'd imagine. Thanks for the comment, David.
Can you learn pump the the Efoil and after you get the hang on a Efoil can you dock start a traditional foil or will it be hours and days to learn to dock start
Efoiling is a great way to learn to foil … I’ve seen people who were great efoilers learn very quickly the first time they classic foiled. However dock starting and pumping are different animals. No doubt efoiling will make it easier but it will still take 10-20 hours of practice to figure out … but it’s so much fun and so worth the investment of time
@@WakeThief So another words you can’t practice your pumping skills on this board I thought big front wing get the board on foil then shut off motor and start pumping skills can this be done
I haven’t been able to do that. I have been able to do that with the foil drive though! th-cam.com/video/jp6-l2-LZOM/w-d-xo.html
Seems super cool but firstly, I don't really have a lake near by I can try this in besides lake Michigan which is pretty far out from me (2 hours or more for a spot to do this). And secondly both look insanely expensive. So I'll pass but seems super cool.
Thanks for the comment. It's totally fair. If you're like me and have had dreams of flying, this is as close to that feeling as I've experienced. If you're ever on vacation, pull up the lift and flite and demo center locations and treat yourself to a great experience. Thanks again for your comment.
What size of Fliteboard was it where you are with your son on,please???
The black one is the pro. The white one is Fliteboard
@@WakeThief Is that mean black one was 5" and what size was white one,please???
I can’t recall. Please look at Flites website. You will see the pro and the Fliteboard I am referencing
@@WakeThief That means they are both Fliteboards or???
Both are made by Flite … one is called Fliteboard and one is called Pro
Is there a hybrid version where you can classic and evoil at the same time
Yes. The foil drive is a great example of a hybrid.
@@WakeThiefso foil drive is just the motor etc and you have to buy a board from somewhere else?
@zacharyb9743 yes. Exactly.
Something about the classic foil looks really awkward!
I'm not sure of this. I believe that it is a little bit precarious. Bad enough to get used to paddle boarding. No! I'm not curious as to that!
yeah but an eScooter is like 400-700 and an eFoil is like 4K - 10K, I'd get one if they were considerably cheaper
It’s a great point. And escooter owners don’t need to find water access.
In Switzerland, we have no choice, e-foiling is forbidden, so you have to learn pump foiling..
Wow. I didn’t appreciate it was illegal in Switzerland!
I so wanted one then I saw the price…more than I spent on my 2 used waverunners…ouch. Standard foil seems to be only cheapskate option but appreciate the video
A classic foil plus this might work. th-cam.com/video/jp6-l2-LZOM/w-d-xo.html
Happy to discuss if you want to email. Wakethief@icloud.com
Give it a few years these things will go down 90%
Looks cool but I think you would get bored pretty quick. Just standing there doing nothing ?
It’s not for everyone. I prefer classic foiling (self powering).
Omg it costs over $6k! That sucks. It looks fun.
Yes. They’re expensive. This one is less expensive. th-cam.com/video/j-qAsiApf7E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MS2vz1V13LokZG85
bleuncoolant
Just looked it up, just shy of 18 grand for an Efoil at the moment
They range from $7000 for waydoo flyer one at mackite to $14k+. These two efoils are about $12k each.