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@@Maryam-ev9cf exactly. She responded as though they were insulting her character, when they made it very clear that they were talking about the literal denotation
Telling a dangerously overweight person not to lose weight because they're "beautiful" is like telling an alcoholic not to stop drinking because they're "fun".
It's okay to be beautiful, unfortunately health and beauty is not the same thing. Just because they're beautiful doesn't mean they don’t need to lose weight and be healthy.
@@blazenfatei think it went over your head. They turned the original comment into the start of a conversation you would have with a person who has the same same pov as the original commenter.
I believe it was a comparison method, like she can do hikes and long walks without being out of breath, but when going with her thinner friends, they do. Overall, it's not the definition, but sometimes reality is body shape doesn't equivate to physically able.
Obesity is a medical term. It’s like saying you don’t have diabetes just because you “feel” fine. Just because you don’t “feel” obese, doesn’t mean you aren’t.
I don't "feel" like an epileptic. I feel fine after a seizure and I don't even remember them. Yes, I've been diagnosed with brain scans, but I don't identify as epileptic.
No it’s just delusions and lack of accountability like lady it’s not a matter of consideration the definition of obese is to be 100 pounds or more overweight and you clearly are
The modern movement that tries to convince society that every body type is healthy, is so dangerous; basic self love is absolutely compatible with knowing that you're currently in an unhealthy condition that has to be changed
no,fr there’s so many obese people now all over the world so they don’t think anything is wrong with them since there’s so many people who look just like them🙂↔️
Come to our elementary school in Seattle. >40% of the kids, and >90% of the teachers are obese. School lunch is where it all started. Your favorite politicians love you so much.
Yess!!!!And is so much stress if, you a medical problem, the stress of going to a doctor,,the walks,the spent time,taking medication maybe you woundn't use if you would be healthy
the red dress lady is a tough love kinda lady. the way she spoke to the woman who said had suicidal thoughts really made me emotional, it was really beautiful.
Eatings unhealthier isn’t CHEAPER… it’s just EASIER. A mcdonalds meal is like $10. For one single meal. I can spee $10 on ingredients and get like 7 meals out of it.
@@stamourbeaulieu $1 pack of buns, $6 back of ground beef, $2 tomato sauce, $3 spices. a little over 10 but enjoy Sloopy Joes that’ll last you an entire week. Not just one “fast” meal. Or a box of Pasta for $5, sauce for $2. That’s $7 total. Spaghetti for at least a couple days.
@@stamourbeaulieupasta is cheap, rice is cheap. Pair that with a protein and some veg. You have a balanced meal. Pasta is 80p Minced beef is £2 Pasta sauce is 80p Broccoli is £1.10 It’s cheaper to cook your own meals at home. Eating fast food is a privilege
@@stamourbeaulieulet's say you spend $10 a day. That's $70 a week. Spend $20 on rice, assuming you have water. Get a party pack of chicken thighs or legs for $15-$20. Ground beef in bulk is $10. Broccoli and other veggies are $5 in total tops for a week. Make a meal plan for the week and section it off. You still have $20-$25 leftover.
"When you see me, do you think I'm obese?" Yes. I am a person who's also medically obese, and I do believe you're obese. Just to clarify...that says nothing about who you are as a person, but merely answers the question asked.
I’d disagree on your last sentence, it does say something about who they are as a person… For example somebody that’s big and muscular, u know they work out a lot, have dedication, etc. Apply that to obese people, sure it’s not fair for everything gene wise but that doesn’t stop people from judging u in public
ong being obese just refers to your BMI and other factors, not how you look. If you think about it, bodybuilders on steroids that are massive are also technically obese. it's just a medical term.
@@AcesMR6Obese does not always equal unhealthy though. I think that was the point OP was making. The older fit woman said she is clinically obese. Someone who is fit and muscular could still be classed as obese because the BMI index is highly flawed.
This exactly! People have a tendency to be offended when someone is categorized as obese. Being obese doesn't, by default mean you are a bad person. It just means you are obese. This is coming from a former obese person. People have lost common sense.
Portion control is free. Walking is free. You don't need to completely change your diet and get a gym membership to lose weight. I'm so tired of these misconceptions around weight loss. It doesn't need to be expensive or hard.
Yep. My dad was diagnosed with T2 diabetes and has practically reversed it by eating less, dietary changes and brisk walking daily. He's lost a ton of weight. Many people just can't be bothered to put in the effort.
WTF are people on when they start saying it's expensive to eat healthy???? healthy doesn't have to be fresh organic vegetables; you can have a heaping bowlful of pasta with olive oil and tomato sauce and it's still gonna be wildly cheaper and healthier than washing down tubs of fried chicken and cheeseburgers with coke. it's called basic math and common sense.
Not trying too sound harsh but the woman saying she’s not obese is deluded. If at that body weight she’s not skinny, lean, muscular or a bit fluffy there’s only a few more categories she could be
Notice how most of the girls who are fit have better energy levels and seem more upbeat overall? Working out 100% helps with mental health and mood boosters.
100% I agree! But people shouldn't be so harsh to judge others if they're not able to get there (yet). Circumstances, environment, mental state to begin with are all factors. Empathy and kindness would be a lot more helpful than just bully overweight people
opposite effect for me. Been in the gym for over a decade now and my body dysphoria is worse now than before I started and my confidence is much lower and I feel worse about myself mentally, lol
Body positivy is a misunderstood topic and is horrible to see how people who doesn't belong to the movement misrepresents the main purpose of it. The movement was created with the objective to change our perspective about our bodies, entitled people to love themselves no matter how you look because if you are overweight and you decided to change it from the perspective of self-hatred you are going to end up with a eating disorder or worse. For us in the movement, it is essential that the change comes from a place of love where you are grateful for having a body that moves you, because your limbs are healthy, because your body allows you to experience the world around you and only then you are gonna be able to make better decisions and achieve the best version of yourself. For some the goal will be to lose weight, others will have the goal of just moving more and exercising more, others will just want to look aesthetically better, etc. and all of these representations are valid. If you can´t love yourself, you will ended up taking the worst decisions about losing weight and you will put your life at risk by submitting yourself to strict diets, you will buy “miracle” drugs that promise to make you lose weight in 3 months and you are not even sure what they contain or you will stop eating and maybe you will lose weight but it will be at the expense of your health.
I hate that I read all of this. But it sounds like you’re talking about mental health issues. But the mainstream body positivity community does promote being wider than all outside the people who are big should attempt to make the change at their own pace cause it’s selfish to your friends and family who care for you for us to see you down bad
I noticed that too her lung capacity went up to a full boil when she started talking. And yet she said she can hike up mountains and not go out of breath I don't believe it.
I noticed it as soon as she started talking. She was most likely nervous, she’s also probably talking in front of people and the camera. Which is pretty nerve wrecking.. not to mention it’s an emotionally heavy subject.
me too! and I was underweight. Weightlifting and eating more (healthily) while learning nutrition was a huge factor in my eating disorder recovery and helped me get off antidepressants.
Someone who is literally size 4* is considered obese… that is literally 4’11” and 135lbs. If you’re under that you can’t breastfeed a child safely, if you’re under that you are not legally allowed to give blood on military posts Medical diagnosis for obesity does not matter because the BMI scale is not accurate
I don't understand why people think you have to eat, gluten-free, 1000% organic expensive stuff to be healthier. Most people are obese because they eat too much. If they ate less food on a diet they would save money, being obese is expensive.
also u can get frozen veggies. shiiet thats what i do! they are mad cheap! i dont get a bunch of separate veggies and cut em up. also, with fruit ill have a bag of one type of fruit rather than getting a few different kind. I like to get cuties and then maybe the next time i go shopping ill get a bag of grapefruits. :}
Considering gluten comes from filler “foods” yes you should stop eating gluten to be healthy… Eating gluten free isn’t hard either… You simply quit eating stuff made out of most grains… Grains are not pertinent to our diet… They can mess around with the food pyramid all they want but people do not NEED to eat grains.
That’s so real!! Im thin and really fit and I eat like straight garbage LOL. It’s all about how much you’re eating. Theyre all talking about cutting out processed foods and pop and stuff, like you can have that stuff whenever you want it, it’s about how much you have! If you do cardio everyday and stop eating when your full, there’s really no limit to what you can and can’t have
These comments are strangely mean for a video that was nearly all positive. Everyone shared opinions and some disagreed but they all were lovely and respectful. Don't be mean in the comments and ruin it, uplift people, don't put them down for TH-cam likes.
@@pricesymonej Perhaps maybe you don’t see a mean comment yourself, but some of these are in a less than positive tone to them. I guess it means it’s serious or real, but still it doesn’t mean that there’s no lack of.
those big girls get so triggered. omg i used to be like that 😐 now that i lost weight i’ve noticed how insecure you rlly get. it really affects your brain. it’s not about looks. it literally affects so much.
Same I use to feel any words were a direct criticism to my person , I was so ashamed I couldn't even look down , being a healthy weight is a game changer in terms of overall happiness and self love
I used to be 290 lbs and am now 210 lbs (Still losing weight). I'm recovering from PP and hit 197 lbs before pregnancy but had to start again I got up to 240 lbs from pregnancy. I remember after I broke 200 lbs I wasn't picking fights with my partner, or feeling insecure about my body. My relationship with myself and my SO was thriving and I finally started being able to love deeply like I wanted. I felt alive, because I had pride in myself for working so hard. The insecurity is insane and a demon when you're overweight. These people are straight up capping if they say they don't feel insecure. They wouldn't get triggered from the word obese if they were healed.
10:07 As a person that was formally plus size, I can say that weight blindness is real…being able to breathe and walk are basic human functions that you can do without difficulty and still be dying. Being obese is no joke…it’s a silent killer. When you get down to a healthy weight you can really tell the difference that your normal was not normal.
THIS. I struggle with fluctuating weight and I‘m currently the heaviest I‘ve ever been (US size 12) and I can absolutely feel my knees now every time I walk my dog compared to when I weighed much less.
Far doesn't mean you can't have stamina or increased lung capacity. When your bigger, you body has to do more work. A skinny unfit person's body doesn't nearly work as hard as a far parson.
As an obese person, other obese people make hella excuses. I’m a stay at home mom, I have a baby, I’m tired of being big. I used to make all those excuses too, but we have to care for ourselves and be honest. I’m only 19 and I have high blood pressure. For the longest time I lied to myself just so I could stay comfortable. One day I just sat down with myself and realized, although life is hard and there are many challenges, I want to live for my son. I’ve been doing better now. I’ve lost almost 20lbs and I’ve started going to the gym. I’m looking forward to see more results and be a healthier version of me. I suggest other people try. I know it’s hard, but take care of yourself, you have people that care about you.
Great job. And, if you don’t have energy for the gym keep in mind there are home workouts too:)! I used to make those excuses too then decided I wanted to lose the weight!
I don't know you but I just want to say I'm proud of you 😊 your child is seeing their mom doing her best to be her best. That's an amazing thing to see as a kid.
from a fellow teen parent, stay strong! you are doing incredible from what this comment tells me and i know firsthand how insanely hard it can be so the fact you are doing well and found the bandwith to seek improvement in your personal life is really awesome
Being medically obese is being outside of a healthy term for your age group societal wise. It’s an average that you should be for your height for an average group of people. It’s not telling someone who’s medically obese that they are huge and need to lose so much wieght. It’s telling them that they are in a farther term than other people their age. Being obese is NOT a bad thing until it becomes unhealthy, it’s a word that is used to define someone but it does not HAVE to be a bad word.
When I’ve been depressed, like actually depressed, not sad or disappointed, I choose healthy food to improve. Plus, I’m so numb when I’m depressed, I can’t taste food anyway, so I don’t understand why someone would eat unhealthy when it doesn’t even create a dopamine hit. lol
My mom died a few years back and I was severely depressed. I just laid down and did nothing. I’m not kidding, just laying down for days. My bf at the time was so helpful. At first he’d just come be with me, and eventually he’d force me to go to the gym for an hour. It’s the main thing that helped my depression at the time, getting out and moving. I didn’t want to, but it did help a ton.
"I don’t have time" "Healthy food is too expensive" "My mental health is too bad" "Your life allows you to be fit, mine doesn’t" This is the product of a fixed mindset. Nothing but excuses on the obese side.
As a person who's lost weight while having no job, got obese while having no job , lost weight while having a job, and gained it again while having a job And 2 kids now I can agree I've used all the excuses in the book
The chica in red top needs to accept she is obese and is living a unhealthy lifestyle. There’s a lot of Hispanic people that are obese due to diet, lifestyle and choices they make. At the end of the day she needs to be accountable for the lifestyle decisions she makes.
Its the culture, Mexican food is f delicious but Mexican people are also very hardworking to make ends meet. They are very active people that go place to place by foot and buses. So in the US you can eat these Mexican dishes but arenr burning the calories because its a completely different lifestyle
That was my issue, I kept saying I didn't have time up until I got fed up with my life and made the time. First year I lost over 100lbs just from making small life changes.
It was a constant battle between those who didn't want to offend and those who were very easily offended. And those characters kept changing throughout the video. Very accurate portrait of what our society currently is like.
25:11 the truth will hurt ... But mens brains are wired to be attracted to healthy fit women's bodies... Might not be fair but the best personality in in the world cannot overcome mens biological wirering
Thank you for letting us know but this was never about you and what you are attracted to. So why do you answer a question nobody asked? 🤔@@tzvigrossman1872
@@tzvigrossman1872and although they said attractiveness shouldnt be defined by men, even so, women view fit girls as their role models and who they want to become. ive never heard anyone said they wanna look like lizzo. so saying that fit girls are more attractive not just by men standards but by everyone is so valid. they just dont want to accept that fact😭
"I've been medically obese since I was 12, and I was not obese." So you think you know more than medical experts... maybe that's part of the problem on why you're obese.
I’m sure this statement that was made during the video was solely based off what the BMI chart says. Which is something that medical professionals use to establish whether you were healthy or overweight or obese. If you look at the BMI chart, and you look at professional athletes majority of them would probably fall in the obese category just based off height and weight, which is the BMI chart off of
To be fair, there is a HUGE problem with BMI. The classification of obese from a BMI of thirty was done studying white men only. Whether or not someone is so overweight that it negatively impacts their health depends on a variety of factors, not just a number on a chart because that number can mean different things for different ages, sexes, races etc. So no I don't think it's weird to criticize the chart in your doctor's office constructed from incomplete research. Plus, BMI only accounts for weight and doesn't include other factors that influence your health
I know I might get boo’d…but fit is more attractive. Screw men, PEOPLE (including other women) treat you way better. It may not be fair, it sucks…but it’s true. Clothing fits better. You can participate in more social activities. Overall you’re just more attractive in society.
Your looks are a currency. We can be woke all day long and individuals might treat you a special way as a means of their own wokeness token, but in general your life will be better if you look better 🤷♀️
They way you see and treat yourself, society often reflects back. Those girls love themselves and take care of themselves, and the universe responds in kind.
Hearing all the excuses from the ladies that are bigger.. That used to be me and honestly, its so depressing to see them use the same excuses I did. -120 pounds later, my whole perspective is different.
Congratulations, you earned your new body! Okay, if you used to think like them and you understand their logic (even though you don't agree with them now), what would you tell them to help them see the world the way that you now see it and help them change their behaviors?
The same excuse is used by poor people that feel like they can’t get out of their poverty. Decisions and drastic life changes need to be made. Being poor is a choice.
They just lazy that’s about it your telling me I don’t have time but you sit on your phone or tv or doing nothing for 1hr a day fam just go do what your saying that you don’t have time to do
@@hearxtcartiit's is though. You have a chance to get help and solve that issue. Unless you physically/medically can't.. you always can. Only you can help yourself so it is your fault either its from a reasonable thing or just purely being lazy. I was depressed and was gaining weight but regardless its my fault I was gaining weight. no one was tying me to a bed, no one was shoving food in my mouth but ME. Fault=/=reason.
I did make a comment, about my struggle with losing weight after my child, but I have never struggled with weight until now, after having my child. It’s extremely discouraging to put the work in for these last 2 years and only having seen I lost 10 pounds, my goal is I would like to lose 60 pounds, during my pregnancy I was in bed rest and gained much more weight than I intended, and after birth I did lose some weight but I had started new medications, and gained more weight back. I recently was told by my doctors I have a thyroid condition and started a medication to help, it can cause many issues aside from weight gain, I am hoping that it will help me with my weight though, I do not like this new body, it feels very foreign to me. I have never been overweight in my life. And it causes pain in my body, my knees and hips and back are in pain, and my doctors will tell me it is due to my complications from child birth but I also do think it is from so much weight gain in such a short time. I am working hard daily, and I have only lost 22 pounds so far, it has taken 2 years to lose 22 pounds.
the thing is, most people who try to lose weight fail. this is true. maybe it's just the case that most people are lazy, but it's not super helpful to say it's an "excuse" when most people can't go through with it. that doesn't mean being obese isn't unhealthy, it is, it's really really bad for you.
The comments in this video feel way different than the comments from the men version of this topic of Middle Ground. I wonder if it’s something to do with the gender matter subject??
I feel like when asked the question "fit women are more attractive", most of them chickened out of agreeing. Saying personality is more important doesn't reject the notion that being fit is more attractive. It just means that being physically attractive isn't the most important thing.
It's called dodging and coping. “Fit” is a physical characteristic. They immediately started talking about nonphysical characteristics. I highly respect Dahna for stepping forward with her honesty. Not sure if she knew she'd be the only one though.
I agree with you. Fit looks different for different people. If someone is 400+lbs and they are down to 240. That requires work and effort and contributes to attractiveness. Mindset, dedication, and health
I agree. You find someone attractive and want to get to know them, then their personality enhances your attraction to them. That baseline attraction is purely physical most of the time
Some of us are demisexual and genuinely aren’t physically attracted to anyone until we have an emotional connection with them. I’ve dated folks of all kinds of body types. My longest relationship was with someone who has been the biggest person I’ve dated (about 350lbs 6’2”, not fit). I will say my personal caveat is that I prefer to date people who can do physical activities with me, but that doesn’t mean they have to be skinny or fit to do so. I am a size 12 and got some cushion and I can kick skinnier peoples’ asses at a number of physical activities. If you tell me that you can’t go on a 40 mile bike ride up a mountain with me, when that’s one of my favorite things to do, then it’s not gonna work out.
The lady in the red dress is so transparent and honest ❤ if only more people could be like that vs trying to find a loophole or excuse for their poor choices.
Walk 10k steps around the streets for free and do intermittent fasting for free. When you buy fast food just control your portions!!! Buy a burger and a liter of water. Balance ppl balance.
That's what they don't understand! You can literally lose weight eating only McDonalds IF YOU CONTROL YOUR PORTIONS. Of course a McDonalds diet isn't ideal, but its possible. Portion control is literally the one thing everyone can do whether they have money or not.
@@TheColerain11 That's the education piece that's lacking, and i can't blame them for that. I wish it were mandatory in high school to learn about thermodynamics in the body and at least learn nutritional basics so people can make wise decisions as adults.
Burgers are not that bad by themselves if you think about it and are not eating them every day but just skip the soda and fries that’s what makes the meal into the thousands of calories
“Addiction is your brain telling you the problem is the solution”. I had to pause this video because as someone who’s in and out of recovery that’s a very powerful way to describe the cognitive dissonance I, and other addicts feel. Thank you
@@andy2641 Yeah I agree... it sound clever, but are... let's say food addicts really thinking that if they eat more food then they won't want be addicted any more? Do alcoholics think that drinking more booze will end their addiction to it? I don't think so, but would love to hear something to the contrary I think we for sure rationalize our addictions, or bargain with ourselves. But I just don't understand the quote
@@TaiwanisMoving what I got from the quote was that we keep doing it and feel like it helps us when it’s doing the opposite, I guess that’s how I interpreted it not sure if that’s what she meant
9:23 "She's a little bit plus size" girl you're not a little bit plus size, you're just obese and that's totally fine to admit. This denial is what causes our own demises as human beings. I've been there done that until I lost 154 lbs.
@@gerlinplays1806Not at all. She said or implied at least, when someone would look at me they’d consider me “plus size” while medically (just a technicality) I am considered obese.
I'm a single dad, working full time and go to school currently and I still prepare every single meal my child and I eat. It's about discipline and doing what you're supposed to do whether you feel like it or not. everyone has the ability to be disciplined but very very few choose to.
I think people also feel entitled to eat like insanely delicious food because their palate has been so distorted by fast, convenient food, so they don't want to eat simple dishes. Like I cook every meal I eat and often it's pretty boring (still tasty, but not crafted by food scientists to be hyper-palatable) but that also means it doesn't take that much time to cook.
@@marenomorgan this is very true. That's why my son and I only eat real food. Meat fruit and veggies. So I don't have to worry about him or myself becoming addicted to that chemical filled food like product that's not even real food
This made me cry, struggling with my weight since I started puberty and not being diagnosed with PCOS in my 30s it all started to make sense for me. When she said you have to love on that little girl 😢. I do think being obese is a choice it’s hard but you have to tell ppl you are struggling, and it’s okay.
"Addiction is the disease that tells your brain that the problem is the solution" 👏👏👏 That's a huge one! and one that is relevant today more than ever for so many people. The escape that addiction offers us is ultimately the biggest source of misery. and mindfulness/meditation - learning the art of non-reaction - is a powerful tool to fix our addicted selves!
90% agree but caveat from a professional standpoint- it depends a *little* bit on the person. For example, if an addicted person is also experiencing life circumstances that mean they're in a constant state of mental trauma or fight/flight, and have the freeze response, meditation can actually exacerbate the problem bc they're further removing themselves from their somatic processing. Again, it's very person specific, and there's not really a one size fits all solution to addiction, and meditation is incredibly helpful for many people experiencing it- it's just rarely the only solution and if theyre in a clinical setting, a lot of different factors need to be evaluated before recommending it(or any other treatment/coping skill)
being skinny is not my choice, have you seen my pay check and inside my refregerator? lol I have 2 oatmeal packs and some stale cherrios that I need to throw out. Maybe these ladies aren't poor enough.
10:18 "I have friends who are skinnier than me, we go on walks and they're losing their breaths" GIRL just because they do not have the stamina does not mean that a person is obese 😭😭😭 there are lots of reasons why a person could be out of breath when walking maybe that person is anemic, does not have enough sleep, respiratory condition, etc. Also, BMI parameters are based on your height and weight and it is to determine whether your weight is in healthy proportion with your height. It is just based on your anthropometric measurements and not your capabilities when you are in that weight.
Yeah. And not being fit and not having muscle also leads to a lot of problems later in life, so that also is bad, but a different problem! You lose weight by eating less, you build muscle by exercising, too many people think those two are one and the same...
i’m literally 115 lbs and get out of breath on hikes 😭 idk why she used that as an example when everyone has different conditions when it comes to being active
To me it kind of sounds like she equates the term "obese" with "fit", which would explain her definition of obese. Because you can be not obese and also not be fit and vice versa. Obese is a word to describe the ratio of your height and your weight, but has also been used as a slur so i think that might be why some of the women calles it "medically obese" to put the emphasis on the ratio and away from the slur.
@@xerxestheimmortal1preach! People act like privilege is a bad word, it’s not and it also doesn’t undermine the hard work people have done to earn what they have. But being able to acknowledge you have privilege is a sign of maturity imo.
"Would you consider me obese" coming from a person who is morbidly obese is such a bizarre phenomena. It's also so very clear she is not an active person.
@@lc-do5eo well by definition active means to pursue physically energetic pursuits, I don't want to make inferences to her state, but hopefully you get the picture! Certain words are thrown around in this video as though they don't have a specific meaning, active is just one of them haha
I agree with you, but she isn't morbidly obese. She's just obese. MORBIDLY obese is literally one step away from dying, hence the use of the word MORBID. You have to be 400+ pounds to be morbidly obese. She's probably 250-300, which is still inexcusable.
Working out will HELP your mental. Even walking outside I feel better. In fact my fitness is THEEEEE ONLY thing I have that I am in control of. You have to get up early before work and go. If I don’t go early I’ll still go but I’m not at my optimum when I wait too late and I get “depressed” if something happens preventing me to miss
It's so sad how most of the women feel offended when a doctor/proffesional/close friend tells them they are obese. It's not an offensive slur, it's a medical term, and when a proffesional tells you that, it means you are by all health standards overweight and it is endangering your life in some way. They are being paid to help people, and I believe most of them got into that proffesion because of that, it's just so dissapointing to see how hard it is for some people to just accept criticism that is meant to elongate their life.
not even elongate life , i was obese three years ago , existing was painful , couldnt breath, couldnt walk , i was always uncomfortable, sweaty , stomach pains ,lung pains ,plus feelings disgusted by my body , losing weight made life worth living
@@vivianacordero135 How about we have a look away from numbers and at real bodies then? Can you realistically say that someone who is taking up 1.5-2 seats, breathing hard, can barely fit clothing, and generally is nowhere near fit, is healthy? Once again disregarding BMI. Using your eyes and brain here.
I totally understand but I also can see this from their perspective. “Retard” was also a medical term and for years people who were *Not* doctors used that word to put down disabled people. I would say that the word obese is also used in the same way by people who are *Not* doctors. And when not used by doctors it is almost always used as a derogatory term. I wouldn’t want to be called obese by my doctor or anyone if I was bullied all throughout school with that same word.
First time she opened her mouth was to cut someone off and be rude. But with TH-cam being generally all about FACTS and LOGIC, I'm not surprised literally everyone is all over her, lmao
There’s nothing wrong with being plus size, there’s nothing wrong with being someone who likes plus size people. Nothing becomes problematic once it’s taken to the extreme.
All these women saying “you’d look at me and think I’m a lil overweight but I’m obese clinically” need to realise everyone looking at you is thinking you are obese
At Costco : $15 - 3 Rotisserie chicken $10 - 5lb Bag of mixed veggies Less than $1 - Pot of rice $5 - 3 lbs of Sweet potatoes You can have 3 healthy meals every day for the whole week for about $30
She was speaking about only having 12 dollars. Yes that's cheap but I may not have enough money to pay for a 30 dollar meal while tryna pay my rent and other bills.
I agree. But they might also need that in their lives, time and ways to decompress of the stresses of life. But yes in the end it comes down to prioritising physical health/fitness
@@lifevest1it’s not just that though. Social media connects you with friends and family, it’s a way of communication. The issue is America’s work and hustle culture (which we’re forced to do) as well as the American diet and not prioritizing health and wellness.
I think our minds are our BIGGEST prisons. The second you tell yourself you can’t do this because x,y,z…then you’ve already stopped yourself from achieving it. As someone with has had severe depression her whole life. A mom and wife. Me cutting out processed foods and taking more time into what I put in, has been THE biggest game changer for me. I don’t even count calories or go to the gym 5 days a week. I just do mindful eating, portion control, drink only water, wine, and coffee (home made not a bunch of sugar Starbucks drinks anymore). Resetting my gut health, has literally saved my life. And I am certainly not thin and miserablE. I feel and AM stronger than I’ve ever been.
Attractiveness is subjective. What some people like may or may not be the same as you. Different beauty standards for different people, that's what you should understand.
@@yoshiette Subjective, sure. Cultural, definitely. Statistical, also. Beauty being subjective doesn't negate that there are high percentage concensuses about it.
@@yoshiettewhile subjective from person to person there is still some collaborative understanding of general attractiveness. e.g. some people love assholes but most people like nice people. e.g. some men like huge woman (not curvy but HUGE WOMAN) but a majority of people agree there is a certain range of weight where women that can be attractive but once it hits a certain level it will be perceived as less attractive. e.g. most people will agree that unibrows aren’t attractive but there are those who like it. To think there aren’t general attribute that most people find attractive is crazy. Frankly most people like people who aren’t super overweight let alone obese.
This exactly. Yes, there are beautiful women in every shape, that's very much possible, but overall, base physical attraction is based on a perceived image of health and prosperity. If sb LOOKS unhealthy, they'll look generally be less attractive physically to the majority of people
True, this really did show the difference in the mentalities. Not everyone there but at least two of them had nothing but excuses and reasons it’s so extra difficult for them. The fit people had a completely different mentality. People hold themselves back
true and at the end of the day, no one really cares or can save anyone else. youve got to do what gives you the best quality of life. pain and suffering does not discriminate and you can't talk it away with progressive ideology
I will argue that eating healthier is not expensive. Last year, I chose to take my health super serious and lost over 20 lbs, went from 189 to 166 in 2 months just from changing my diet, avoiding VERY specific foods and walking 1 hour every day. I mainly avoided bread and dairy because i have pcos and it helps. Spent $60 every weekly grocery trip while balancing rent, bills, transported while making $15/hr. For anyone living below that, i can definitely understand where it could be difficult.
@@Melodyy33919put the fork down and walk more. You will reap the most rewards through restricting calories from food rather than relying on exercise to burn calories. Make easy swaps like sodas to calorie free, food groups to low sugar etc
A pack of chicken thighs, broccoli, and rice/beans is cheaper, healthier, and will last weeks longer than fast food 3x a day. There isn’t “privilege” in eating healthy. There are millions of families with kids that eat healthy everyday. Laziness does not equal lack of privilege.
I lost 45 lbs at a time when I didn’t have much money and I didn’t even buy meat because it was expensive. Rice, beans, veggies, tofu. DONE. That’s it. Cheap af, healthy, delicious. I HATE this lie that healthy eating is expensive, it’s actually SO CHEAP.
@@LegitHumor29I’ve gotten into arguments over this in real life. They claim that it’s a privileged position to understand what healthy food is and I just don’t get that. Even if someone is just eating rice and broccoli with a protein it’s cheaper and healthier and doesn’t require education to know that.
@@megshush it’s a MILLION times healthier! Sure, you’re lacking a little protein with just rice and broccoli but processed food literally has NO real nutrients. People have really been deluded enough to believe that a Big Mac with tomato is comprise of a carb, a veg, and protein therefore it’s healthy 😭😭😭 It’s maddening. Our education system is absolutely failing our country when it comes to health, nutrition, and science (and pretty much everything else 😭)
If you can afford a kitchen for yourself, time to cook it and the tools in the kitchen which poorest people dont have. Once a person has access to these, then of course creating a budget for a diet full of healthy foods makes more sense.
It's admirable how at a time like this you make an episode that's for sure interesting and trying to get views, but you're actually doing it respectfully and in a not dramatic way like for example getting the girls to fight to spice things up. You can tell when a presenter is trying to give drama or calm things down, I'm sure you could do the first but glad you did the second.
The BMI is an antiquated tool, which doesn’t take into account muscle volume etc… many professional athletes are “medically obese” but not by society standards. I think that woman just didn’t know what she was talking about and is maybe not ready to accept that term
@@lachlanross1 it’s still an antiquated tool. The guy who made the BMI literally said in his study that he created it for to not use it as a source for comparing health. The only reason why it’s used is because health insurance companies needed a guideline to go off of so they chose that. Are the girls in the video obese, yes - but I 1000% believe we need a new way to define obesity that takes in more than height and weight.
@@FloatingInSpace5702 This is such a cope argument. Most people won't have enough muscle to actually raise their weight enough to obesity levels. It takes years and years of dedicated working out to actually raise your ''muscle weight'' by 15 or so kg yet we have these couch potatoes who can barely even lift their own behind claiming they are heavy because of muscle. So no most athletes actually won't be ''medical obese'' because athletes actually have low bodyfat percentage which usually puts them at average weight
I commend you for even seeing that this lifestyle is unhealthy and you can and will do something about it rather than trying to cope. By the way, if you’re heavy heavy walking and consuming less food will lead to greater weight loss than lifting weights.
Why do people treat 'obese' like a bad word? Denying it only makes it harder to address and reduce the rates of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and more.
People sometimes are evil when it comes to that. I honestly hate them too. However, regardless--there's no point of "denying" it. As mentioned on the video the girl was diagnosed with Obesity but also saying "For me im not" (not exactly the words but that's how she interpreted it)
The problem with these conversations is that you'll NEVER win by telling the truth. Whoever is the most politically correct wins. It's sad to see and uncomfortable to watch someone being bullied for promoting fitness. Fit will ALWAYS be better than obese. Physically & Mentally. We just seem to be conflicting this truth with the inherent worth we all have as humans, which is not dependent on your body size.
It’s a tough one that’s for sure. Looking after your wellbeing is important, nothing false about that. But at the same time we can’t always judge someone’s worth by their size alone.
@@brookeh21 ”Fit” doesn’t neccessarily mean skinny. If you take a look on the olympics pretty much everyone is fit but in their own way for their sport
@@brookeh21 even the fittest of women have their bellies poking out. some part of it is literally our uterus and you cant do anything about it. i think having a flat stomach is very unrealistic for majority of people
This is worthy of applause. What a difficult, sensitive, and deeply personal topic, and what brave young women for being able to share their views so candidly and with compassion for one another.
People have been deluded with language like chubby, chunky, a little on the heavy side, and plump. There's a reason why you won't find obese people in photos from the 1940s and 50s
@sadautumnrose PCOS (like so many autoimmne conditions) stems from inflammation. A friend of mine had her first child after being diagnosed because she lost a ton of weight and went low carb. Inflammation is the source of most of these conditions. But doctors don't know this and would rather sell pills.
The lady in the red dress was so supportive. I like how she made everyone feel more confident about themselves. You can tell that she’s been through a lot and that she’s really strong. ❤❤
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How was this comment 18 hours ago when it posted 1 hour ago?
@@Idekatthispoint0000 they scheduled the vid
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Obese isnt a bad word. Theyre acting like its a slur . If youre obese then youre obese .
Exactly. I don't think she actually realized that it's a medical term
just because something wasnt intended to be used as a slur doesnt mean it isn't / won't be used as such.
@@VenusValentine-r3pit’s a medical term get a grip
@VenusValentine-r3p I agree .but in the video it wasnt used as a degrading word but they still acted like it was a one.
@@Maryam-ev9cf exactly. She responded as though they were insulting her character, when they made it very clear that they were talking about the literal denotation
Telling a dangerously overweight person not to lose weight because they're "beautiful" is like telling an alcoholic not to stop drinking because they're "fun".
It's okay to be beautiful, unfortunately health and beauty is not the same thing. Just because they're beautiful doesn't mean they don’t need to lose weight and be healthy.
@OutdoorCleaningDoctor-du1tr that was a lot of nothing you said.
@@blazenfatei think it went over your head. They turned the original comment into the start of a conversation you would have with a person who has the same same pov as the original commenter.
Nice copy pasted comment. Do you have anything new to add to the discussion aside from fishing for likes?
@@tbobontiyu source? ill wait.
Saying you’re not obese because u can walk without getting out of breath is the lowest standard😭
I mean she obviously doesn't set high standards for herself lol
That was sad to hear. That just comes down to education about what terms like obesity really mean.
I question what they define as a "hike".
I believe it was a comparison method, like she can do hikes and long walks without being out of breath, but when going with her thinner friends, they do. Overall, it's not the definition, but sometimes reality is body shape doesn't equivate to physically able.
@@TheColerain11Stop being rude
it is expensive to buy healthy food but it is even more expensive to pay hospital bills. Compare 15 dollars and 10000 dollars.
Obesity is a medical term. It’s like saying you don’t have diabetes just because you “feel” fine. Just because you don’t “feel” obese, doesn’t mean you aren’t.
Just because Im missing both my arms doesnt mean I'm an amputee. I don't "feel" like an amputee...
I don't "feel" like I have bad eyesight. Yes, I'm legally blind but I don't identify as blind.
I don't "feel" like an epileptic. I feel fine after a seizure and I don't even remember them. Yes, I've been diagnosed with brain scans, but I don't identify as epileptic.
At the end of the day, whatever that woman was talking about was a showcase of her denial
exactly what i was thinking when i heard her say that
"would you consider me obese".... people sometimes are really blind to their outer appearance
No it’s just delusions and lack of accountability like lady it’s not a matter of consideration the definition of obese is to be 100 pounds or more overweight and you clearly are
The modern movement that tries to convince society that every body type is healthy, is so dangerous; basic self love is absolutely compatible with knowing that you're currently in an unhealthy condition that has to be changed
Don’t ask questions you don’t want answers too 😭🤣
she was asking that to understand what the other girl considered obese😭
@@desean3402 and the fit girl tried to be polite, too!
Obesity is so common now that people genuinely think that your weight is only a problem when you’re at the point of being bedridden
Also most think they're a bit overweight not realising that they and everyone around them are obese
no,fr
there’s so many obese people now all over the world so they don’t think anything is wrong with them since there’s so many people who look just like them🙂↔️
Come to our elementary school in Seattle. >40% of the kids, and >90% of the teachers are obese. School lunch is where it all started. Your favorite politicians love you so much.
This made me laff
Skinny people are now the minority in the United States.
What a beautiful group. Happy to see a moderator! Ya girl is in tears over here
People say that it’s expensive to eat healthy.. medical bills and medications will be even more expensive.
Exactly. Pay now or pay later with your health.
This comment tastes American 😆
In America it's expensive. But I get your point.
@@paulmarden3301 grocers are everywhere. or just eat cheap fast food but at much less quantity. you dont have to finish all the food lol
Yess!!!!And is so much stress if, you a medical problem, the stress of going to a doctor,,the walks,the spent time,taking medication maybe you woundn't use if you would be healthy
the red dress lady is a tough love kinda lady. the way she spoke to the woman who said had suicidal thoughts really made me emotional, it was really beautiful.
I love her she is so Lana Del Rey core 💖
@@yamelolvera8782 You're so real for that
I cried lol
i teared up. that was beautiful.
@@Abby-p8h I DID TOO
Eatings unhealthier isn’t CHEAPER… it’s just EASIER. A mcdonalds meal is like $10. For one single meal. I can spee $10 on ingredients and get like 7 meals out of it.
Like what?
@@stamourbeaulieu $1 pack of buns, $6 back of ground beef, $2 tomato sauce, $3 spices. a little over 10 but enjoy Sloopy Joes that’ll last you an entire week. Not just one “fast” meal.
Or a box of Pasta for $5, sauce for $2. That’s $7 total. Spaghetti for at least a couple days.
@@stamourbeaulieupasta is cheap, rice is cheap. Pair that with a protein and some veg. You have a balanced meal.
Pasta is 80p
Minced beef is £2
Pasta sauce is 80p
Broccoli is £1.10
It’s cheaper to cook your own meals at home. Eating fast food is a privilege
@@stamourbeaulieulet's say you spend $10 a day. That's $70 a week. Spend $20 on rice, assuming you have water. Get a party pack of chicken thighs or legs for $15-$20. Ground beef in bulk is $10. Broccoli and other veggies are $5 in total tops for a week. Make a meal plan for the week and section it off. You still have $20-$25 leftover.
so true
This was for sure a tough watch. But it was sooo much better and less heated than the men one.
Men don't pander to men. Iron sharpens Iron
"When you see me, do you think I'm obese?"
Yes. I am a person who's also medically obese, and I do believe you're obese.
Just to clarify...that says nothing about who you are as a person, but merely answers the question asked.
I’d disagree on your last sentence, it does say something about who they are as a person… For example somebody that’s big and muscular, u know they work out a lot, have dedication, etc. Apply that to obese people, sure it’s not fair for everything gene wise but that doesn’t stop people from judging u in public
ong being obese just refers to your BMI and other factors, not how you look. If you think about it, bodybuilders on steroids that are massive are also technically obese. it's just a medical term.
@@AcesMR6Obese does not always equal unhealthy though. I think that was the point OP was making. The older fit woman said she is clinically obese. Someone who is fit and muscular could still be classed as obese because the BMI index is highly flawed.
@@AcesMR6Well I was bulking last year and was obese, but nobody would thought it by looking at me because of my height and muscle
This exactly! People have a tendency to be offended when someone is categorized as obese. Being obese doesn't, by default mean you are a bad person. It just means you are obese. This is coming from a former obese person. People have lost common sense.
Frozen food doesn’t have to be unhealthy. A big bag of frozen vegetables is cheaper in the longevity of vegetables, and it’s still incredibly healthy.
Better yet, frozen vegetables are actually healthier than 'fresh' ones
@@basvriese1934 What? No.
@@itscthuwu5125 wait they're not?💀
i think shes just talking about microwavable meals
@@itscthuwu5125they actually are sometimes because they're frozen at peak ripeness. Is it true for all no, but in some cases it's reality
Portion control is free. Walking is free.
You don't need to completely change your diet and get a gym membership to lose weight. I'm so tired of these misconceptions around weight loss. It doesn't need to be expensive or hard.
i had an obese friend who lost weight simply by cutting sugary drinks, and she never worked out.
Yep. My dad was diagnosed with T2 diabetes and has practically reversed it by eating less, dietary changes and brisk walking daily. He's lost a ton of weight. Many people just can't be bothered to put in the effort.
For a super easy solution; TH-cam videos are free. All the workout videos on here since 2020 are definitely a game changer.
Correct
It’s literally cheaper to eat less. Less food equals less money.
WTF are people on when they start saying it's expensive to eat healthy???? healthy doesn't have to be fresh organic vegetables; you can have a heaping bowlful of pasta with olive oil and tomato sauce and it's still gonna be wildly cheaper and healthier than washing down tubs of fried chicken and cheeseburgers with coke. it's called basic math and common sense.
Body Positivity was created for people with physical disabilities too. Not just different body sizes
And stuff like skin colour and natural hair and age
It’s for stuff you can’t change about your body. Weight can be.
Body positivity was created by conglomerates who own the candy factory & the dieting companies. Creating & "solving" the problem?
And people with scars etc. Then it got hijacked
@@Debziiienailed it. It got hijacked. We could probably call this era Second Wave body positivity, and it has a whole different feel to it
Not trying too sound harsh but the woman saying she’s not obese is deluded. If at that body weight she’s not skinny, lean, muscular or a bit fluffy there’s only a few more categories she could be
She's not saying she's not obese
@@roza6672she definitely was, just bc she doesn’t get out of breath on a walk doesn’t mean she’s not obese ..
It’s reverse body dysmorphia
She prefers to lie to herself. A liar, to herself. Not sure that can be fixed.
@@roza6672what is she saying?
Notice how most of the girls who are fit have better energy levels and seem more upbeat overall? Working out 100% helps with mental health and mood boosters.
100% I agree! But people shouldn't be so harsh to judge others if they're not able to get there (yet). Circumstances, environment, mental state to begin with are all factors. Empathy and kindness would be a lot more helpful than just bully overweight people
Working out releases endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. Happy people dont k*** their husbands.
idk red dress lady lowkey bad vibes
opposite effect for me. Been in the gym for over a decade now and my body dysphoria is worse now than before I started and my confidence is much lower and I feel worse about myself mentally, lol
That is not exactly a mystery.
Body positivy is a misunderstood topic and is horrible to see how people who doesn't belong to the movement misrepresents the main purpose of it. The movement was created with the objective to change our perspective about our bodies, entitled people to love themselves no matter how you look because if you are overweight and you decided to change it from the perspective of self-hatred you are going to end up with a eating disorder or worse. For us in the movement, it is essential that the change comes from a place of love where you are grateful for having a body that moves you, because your limbs are healthy, because your body allows you to experience the world around you and only then you are gonna be able to make better decisions and achieve the best version of yourself. For some the goal will be to lose weight, others will have the goal of just moving more and exercising more, others will just want to look aesthetically better, etc. and all of these representations are valid. If you can´t love yourself, you will ended up taking the worst decisions about losing weight and you will put your life at risk by submitting yourself to strict diets, you will buy “miracle” drugs that promise to make you lose weight in 3 months and you are not even sure what they contain or you will stop eating and maybe you will lose weight but it will be at the expense of your health.
Very well said. That’s the kind of body positivity that I have and still believe in. 👍
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You had too much time on your hands.
THIS!!
I hate that I read all of this. But it sounds like you’re talking about mental health issues. But the mainstream body positivity community does promote being wider than all outside the people who are big should attempt to make the change at their own pace cause it’s selfish to your friends and family who care for you for us to see you down bad
Her saying she doesn't get out of breath while hiking, but she's out of breath while talking is crazy
I noticed that too her lung capacity went up to a full boil when she started talking. And yet she said she can hike up mountains and not go out of breath I don't believe it.
Consider that to many, "hiking" means walking on a flat gravel trail in the park near their house.
I noticed it as soon as she started talking. She was most likely nervous, she’s also probably talking in front of people and the camera. Which is pretty nerve wrecking.. not to mention it’s an emotionally heavy subject.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm obese and I was out of breath just watching her yap.
She's those DELULU ones
Working out and changing my diet got me out of my depression. It’s just taking that first step to a new chapter.
👌🏼💯
you promise?
Yup
ME TOO
me too! and I was underweight. Weightlifting and eating more (healthily) while learning nutrition was a huge factor in my eating disorder recovery and helped me get off antidepressants.
not Lupe out here acting like obese is a subjective term
Someone who is literally size 4* is considered obese… that is literally 4’11” and 135lbs. If you’re under that you can’t breastfeed a child safely, if you’re under that you are not legally allowed to give blood on military posts
Medical diagnosis for obesity does not matter because the BMI scale is not accurate
@@k.labpicklefirst of all 135 is a normal weight for taller people.
@@junipers-rings
That’s why I gave the height. BMI is based on height and weight
Show us a 4'11 135 that isn't chunky
@@k.labpickle 4'11 and 135lbs is not considered obese, it's considered overweight. You would have to be 4'11 and 150lbs to be in the obese category.
IM SO DEAD AT THE RED DRESS LADY SAYING SHE FOUND THE MARRIED MODEL ATTRACTVIE
I love how the fit group has different body types , showing its not a certain physique that can be considered fit
Fit has a range, obesity is just obesity.
@@GigglewithFelix321fax
You must be obeist 😂
I don't understand why people think you have to eat, gluten-free, 1000% organic expensive stuff to be healthier. Most people are obese because they eat too much. If they ate less food on a diet they would save money, being obese is expensive.
It sounds harsh but it’s so true lol
also u can get frozen veggies. shiiet thats what i do! they are mad cheap! i dont get a bunch of separate veggies and cut em up. also, with fruit ill have a bag of one type of fruit rather than getting a few different kind. I like to get cuties and then maybe the next time i go shopping ill get a bag of grapefruits. :}
Considering gluten comes from filler “foods” yes you should stop eating gluten to be healthy… Eating gluten free isn’t hard either… You simply quit eating stuff made out of most grains… Grains are not pertinent to our diet… They can mess around with the food pyramid all they want but people do not NEED to eat grains.
That’s so real!! Im thin and really fit and I eat like straight garbage LOL. It’s all about how much you’re eating. Theyre all talking about cutting out processed foods and pop and stuff, like you can have that stuff whenever you want it, it’s about how much you have! If you do cardio everyday and stop eating when your full, there’s really no limit to what you can and can’t have
I agree i feel like foot a lot of people it’s not necessarily what you eat but how much you’re eating.
Okay, Lupe doesn't know what obese means.
It's a medical term, dear.
Pretty sure she said she's been medically obese since she was 12, but is saying she isn't obese because she can walk up a hill.
@@Getinthevan9Confused if she is even confused. Sounds like she just takes offense to being labeled by that medical term.
@@Ray03595 yup
All 4 of them are morbidly Obese, not even just obese. If they keep at it I would be surprised they make it past 50.
0:51 Lupe can’t pronounce “thyroids” and doesn’t know what “physique “ means.
Idk how she even got on this show😂
These comments are strangely mean for a video that was nearly all positive. Everyone shared opinions and some disagreed but they all were lovely and respectful. Don't be mean in the comments and ruin it, uplift people, don't put them down for TH-cam likes.
Oh yes I totally agree with you on this one!
I was looking for this comment ! The comments are really unpleasant unlike the video !
I don’t see very mean comment at all.
@@pricesymonej Perhaps maybe you don’t see a mean comment yourself, but some of these are in a less than positive tone to them. I guess it means it’s serious or real, but still it doesn’t mean that there’s no lack of.
those big girls get so triggered. omg i used to be like that 😐 now that i lost weight i’ve noticed how insecure you rlly get. it really affects your brain. it’s not about looks. it literally affects so much.
Exactly
Exactly! after losing 25kg i am literally a different person. so much happier and social
Same I use to feel any words were a direct criticism to my person , I was so ashamed I couldn't even look down , being a healthy weight is a game changer in terms of overall happiness and self love
I don’t think they’re triggered
I used to be 290 lbs and am now 210 lbs (Still losing weight). I'm recovering from PP and hit 197 lbs before pregnancy but had to start again I got up to 240 lbs from pregnancy. I remember after I broke 200 lbs I wasn't picking fights with my partner, or feeling insecure about my body. My relationship with myself and my SO was thriving and I finally started being able to love deeply like I wanted. I felt alive, because I had pride in myself for working so hard. The insecurity is insane and a demon when you're overweight. These people are straight up capping if they say they don't feel insecure. They wouldn't get triggered from the word obese if they were healed.
10:07 As a person that was formally plus size, I can say that weight blindness is real…being able to breathe and walk are basic human functions that you can do without difficulty and still be dying. Being obese is no joke…it’s a silent killer. When you get down to a healthy weight you can really tell the difference that your normal was not normal.
THIS. I struggle with fluctuating weight and I‘m currently the heaviest I‘ve ever been (US size 12) and I can absolutely feel my knees now every time I walk my dog compared to when I weighed much less.
She didn't just say walk she said hike but I get what you are saying
Too much Common Sense!! my social activists brains are burning!!!!
Young people have a tendency to think they're invincible. She's in for a rude surprise in her 30s and 40s.
Far doesn't mean you can't have stamina or increased lung capacity. When your bigger, you body has to do more work. A skinny unfit person's body doesn't nearly work as hard as a far parson.
As an obese person, other obese people make hella excuses. I’m a stay at home mom, I have a baby, I’m tired of being big. I used to make all those excuses too, but we have to care for ourselves and be honest. I’m only 19 and I have high blood pressure. For the longest time I lied to myself just so I could stay comfortable. One day I just sat down with myself and realized, although life is hard and there are many challenges, I want to live for my son. I’ve been doing better now. I’ve lost almost 20lbs and I’ve started going to the gym. I’m looking forward to see more results and be a healthier version of me. I suggest other people try. I know it’s hard, but take care of yourself, you have people that care about you.
Great job. And, if you don’t have energy for the gym keep in mind there are home workouts too:)! I used to make those excuses too then decided I wanted to lose the weight!
I don't know you but I just want to say I'm proud of you 😊 your child is seeing their mom doing her best to be her best. That's an amazing thing to see as a kid.
you’re doing well!! Keep it going :)
from a fellow teen parent, stay strong! you are doing incredible from what this comment tells me and i know firsthand how insanely hard it can be so the fact you are doing well and found the bandwith to seek improvement in your personal life is really awesome
You’re doing great 😊
Being medically obese is being outside of a healthy term for your age group societal wise. It’s an average that you should be for your height for an average group of people. It’s not telling someone who’s medically obese that they are huge and need to lose so much wieght. It’s telling them that they are in a farther term than other people their age. Being obese is NOT a bad thing until it becomes unhealthy, it’s a word that is used to define someone but it does not HAVE to be a bad word.
I think this was well said. Definitely has that sense of nuance. 👍
I love the lady in red. She is so experienced, informed, straightforward, and honest.
Yaa
They need more of her
SHES SO PRETTY BRO
@@arinium691🤔😐
She’s great but the hair was definitely a choice haha
Well this conversation was A LOT more peaceful than the one with men. 😅
ikr im 100% a fit sider but wtf that one black fit guy oml
This video is full of delusion
@@vinslungurlmao true
@@vinslungur 100%
@@MrMonnyaha black people really be doing too much!
This discussion was so wholesome 🫶🫶🫶
I think it was too. 😊
Glazeeee
if you're depressed eating healthy is even MORE important....
100% agree with that!
Thankyou !!! Fr !
When I’ve been depressed, like actually depressed, not sad or disappointed, I choose healthy food to improve. Plus, I’m so numb when I’m depressed, I can’t taste food anyway, so I don’t understand why someone would eat unhealthy when it doesn’t even create a dopamine hit. lol
Yes!!! Your brain and gut connected.
My mom died a few years back and I was severely depressed. I just laid down and did nothing. I’m not kidding, just laying down for days. My bf at the time was so helpful. At first he’d just come be with me, and eventually he’d force me to go to the gym for an hour. It’s the main thing that helped my depression at the time, getting out and moving. I didn’t want to, but it did help a ton.
"I don’t have time"
"Healthy food is too expensive"
"My mental health is too bad"
"Your life allows you to be fit, mine doesn’t"
This is the product of a fixed mindset. Nothing but excuses on the obese side.
Exactly, if you don't have time, wake up an hour earlier to fit in a workout. If you sleep for 6 hours a night, make it 5 hours.
As a person who's lost weight while having no job, got
obese while having no job ,
lost weight while having a job, and gained it again while having a job
And 2 kids now
I can agree
I've used all the excuses in the book
Victim mentality.
They have the ultimate loser mindset.
They have accepted defeat.
I agree, if they have time to follow those influencers on Tiktok and watched their videoes, they have time to work out.
The chica in red top needs to accept she is obese and is living a unhealthy lifestyle. There’s a lot of Hispanic people that are obese due to diet, lifestyle and choices they make. At the end of the day she needs to be accountable for the lifestyle decisions she makes.
So does the girl in the red dress that were all pretending is actually fit when she's clearly out of breath just sitting there.
Its the culture, Mexican food is f delicious but Mexican people are also very hardworking to make ends meet. They are very active people that go place to place by foot and buses. So in the US you can eat these Mexican dishes but arenr burning the calories because its a completely different lifestyle
The amount of mental gymnastics she is playing is so delusional. Facts will not care about her feelings.
@@gore-geousmombie4686
Lol you can clearly tell she’s fit… I think you might just prefer girls with more thigh gap and/or smaller breasts 😂
@@gore-geousmombie4686 What are you on. Is that you red top girl?
These ladies are wonderful! I learn so much from listening to them! ❤
biggest issue with clients, "my life doesnt allow it" no it does... you have to make adjustments and make time "FOR YOURSELF"
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No it trully depends, there are lives that don't allow it.
That was my issue, I kept saying I didn't have time up until I got fed up with my life and made the time. First year I lost over 100lbs just from making small life changes.
@@SharayahKitten So curious, what kind of changes did you make?
@@TheSweetSerenity7 Sacrificies aren't easy in anyone's life.
It was a constant battle between those who didn't want to offend and those who were very easily offended. And those characters kept changing throughout the video. Very accurate portrait of what our society currently is like.
23:00 I thought she was the only non delusional one on this question... Until she started speaking... So basically they're all delusional on this one
25:11 the truth will hurt ... But mens brains are wired to be attracted to healthy fit women's bodies... Might not be fair but the best personality in in the world cannot overcome mens biological wirering
Thank you for letting us know but this was never about you and what you are attracted to. So why do you answer a question nobody asked? 🤔@@tzvigrossman1872
True
@@tzvigrossman1872and although they said attractiveness shouldnt be defined by men, even so, women view fit girls as their role models and who they want to become. ive never heard anyone said they wanna look like lizzo. so saying that fit girls are more attractive not just by men standards but by everyone is so valid. they just dont want to accept that fact😭
"I've been medically obese since I was 12, and I was not obese." So you think you know more than medical experts... maybe that's part of the problem on why you're obese.
Or maybe we live in a flawed medical system that reproduces fatphobia, just a thought
exactly. You cannot just say that you were "not obese" because you thought so and did not agreed with what the doctor said.
I’m sure this statement that was made during the video was solely based off what the BMI chart says. Which is something that medical professionals use to establish whether you were healthy or overweight or obese. If you look at the BMI chart, and you look at professional athletes majority of them would probably fall in the obese category just based off height and weight, which is the BMI chart off of
To be fair, there is a HUGE problem with BMI. The classification of obese from a BMI of thirty was done studying white men only. Whether or not someone is so overweight that it negatively impacts their health depends on a variety of factors, not just a number on a chart because that number can mean different things for different ages, sexes, races etc. So no I don't think it's weird to criticize the chart in your doctor's office constructed from incomplete research. Plus, BMI only accounts for weight and doesn't include other factors that influence your health
@@imusedtoit literally… She didn’t have many valid points, but this was one of them
"I don't want her in my algorithm." LOL. I'm dead.
I know I might get boo’d…but fit is more attractive. Screw men, PEOPLE (including other women) treat you way better. It may not be fair, it sucks…but it’s true. Clothing fits better. You can participate in more social activities. Overall you’re just more attractive in society.
People don't like the truth, but it's still the truth
This is so true, it was sad to see that even their argument didn’t prove it because at the end of the day fit will always be more attractive 🫤
Your looks are a currency. We can be woke all day long and individuals might treat you a special way as a means of their own wokeness token, but in general your life will be better if you look better 🤷♀️
Beauty is subjective. There are no definitive truths when it comes to judging attractiveness.
They way you see and treat yourself, society often reflects back. Those girls love themselves and take care of themselves, and the universe responds in kind.
Hearing all the excuses from the ladies that are bigger.. That used to be me and honestly, its so depressing to see them use the same excuses I did. -120 pounds later, my whole perspective is different.
Congratulations on dropping that 120 tho. That's not easy! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾.
Congratulations, you earned your new body!
Okay, if you used to think like them and you understand their logic (even though you don't agree with them now), what would you tell them to help them see the world the way that you now see it and help them change their behaviors?
The same excuse is used by poor people that feel like they can’t get out of their poverty. Decisions and drastic life changes need to be made. Being poor is a choice.
Very true. Especially when they say they don’t have the time but then attend a 40 minute Jubilee video.
Exactly!! I’m only 50 lbs down but I see a lot of the same excuses I used
A lot of the ‘its not in my control’ excuses were basically just ‘I can’t bring myself to do it’
They just lazy that’s about it your telling me I don’t have time but you sit on your phone or tv or doing nothing for 1hr a day fam just go do what your saying that you don’t have time to do
some ppl have really bad ed’s for me i literally could not eat or gain ANYTHING for months and that’s definitely not my fault
@@hearxtcartiit's is though. You have a chance to get help and solve that issue. Unless you physically/medically can't.. you always can. Only you can help yourself so it is your fault either its from a reasonable thing or just purely being lazy.
I was depressed and was gaining weight but regardless its my fault I was gaining weight. no one was tying me to a bed, no one was shoving food in my mouth but ME. Fault=/=reason.
I did make a comment, about my struggle with losing weight after my child, but I have never struggled with weight until now, after having my child.
It’s extremely discouraging to put the work in for these last 2 years and only having seen I lost 10 pounds, my goal is I would like to lose 60 pounds, during my pregnancy I was in bed rest and gained much more weight than I intended, and after birth I did lose some weight but I had started new medications, and gained more weight back.
I recently was told by my doctors I have a thyroid condition and started a medication to help, it can cause many issues aside from weight gain,
I am hoping that it will help me with my weight though, I do not like this new body, it feels very foreign to me. I have never been overweight in my life. And it causes pain in my body, my knees and hips and back are in pain, and my doctors will tell me it is due to my complications from child birth but I also do think it is from so much weight gain in such a short time.
I am working hard daily, and I have only lost 22 pounds so far, it has taken 2 years to lose 22 pounds.
the thing is, most people who try to lose weight fail. this is true. maybe it's just the case that most people are lazy, but it's not super helpful to say it's an "excuse" when most people can't go through with it. that doesn't mean being obese isn't unhealthy, it is, it's really really bad for you.
The comments in this video feel way different than the comments from the men version of this topic of Middle Ground. I wonder if it’s something to do with the gender matter subject??
That’s because Myron isn’t in this video.
Well sometimes you can tell someone who they are based on who they don’t wanna sleep with. Definitely something to think about!
I feel like when asked the question "fit women are more attractive", most of them chickened out of agreeing. Saying personality is more important doesn't reject the notion that being fit is more attractive. It just means that being physically attractive isn't the most important thing.
It's called dodging and coping. “Fit” is a physical characteristic. They immediately started talking about nonphysical characteristics. I highly respect Dahna for stepping forward with her honesty. Not sure if she knew she'd be the only one though.
I agree with you. Fit looks different for different people. If someone is 400+lbs and they are down to 240. That requires work and effort and contributes to attractiveness. Mindset, dedication, and health
I agree. You find someone attractive and want to get to know them, then their personality enhances your attraction to them. That baseline attraction is purely physical most of the time
Some of us are demisexual and genuinely aren’t physically attracted to anyone until we have an emotional connection with them. I’ve dated folks of all kinds of body types. My longest relationship was with someone who has been the biggest person I’ve dated (about 350lbs 6’2”, not fit). I will say my personal caveat is that I prefer to date people who can do physical activities with me, but that doesn’t mean they have to be skinny or fit to do so. I am a size 12 and got some cushion and I can kick skinnier peoples’ asses at a number of physical activities. If you tell me that you can’t go on a 40 mile bike ride up a mountain with me, when that’s one of my favorite things to do, then it’s not gonna work out.
My thoughts too
The lady in the red dress is so transparent and honest ❤ if only more people could be like that vs trying to find a loophole or excuse for their poor choices.
Yea she was pain and pleasure at the same time lmao but I agree with her.
you're being too hard on people for their choices, becuase most of the time is not just their choices but a lot of external circumstances
her comments on PCOS are completely WRONG.
I love her❤
@@sarahellendelliwhy do you disagree? Just curious
Walk 10k steps around the streets for free and do intermittent fasting for free. When you buy fast food just control your portions!!! Buy a burger and a liter of water. Balance ppl balance.
That's what they don't understand! You can literally lose weight eating only McDonalds IF YOU CONTROL YOUR PORTIONS. Of course a McDonalds diet isn't ideal, but its possible. Portion control is literally the one thing everyone can do whether they have money or not.
Yes, walking is probably the best things anyone can do for their overall health.
@@TheColerain11 That's the education piece that's lacking, and i can't blame them for that.
I wish it were mandatory in high school to learn about thermodynamics in the body and at least learn nutritional basics so people can make wise decisions as adults.
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Burgers are not that bad by themselves if you think about it and are not eating them every day but just skip the soda and fries that’s what makes the meal into the thousands of calories
“Believe it or not they consider me obese” girl… I’m gonna hold your hand when I tell you this.
Guaranteed all the overweight women here are BMI morbidly obese
“Addiction is your brain telling you the problem is the solution”. I had to pause this video because as someone who’s in and out of recovery that’s a very powerful way to describe the cognitive dissonance I, and other addicts feel. Thank you
But it’s also not necessarily true. It’s true for some people, but there are plenty people who know their addiction is not the solution
@@andy2641 Yeah I agree... it sound clever, but are... let's say food addicts really thinking that if they eat more food then they won't want be addicted any more? Do alcoholics think that drinking more booze will end their addiction to it? I don't think so, but would love to hear something to the contrary
I think we for sure rationalize our addictions, or bargain with ourselves. But I just don't understand the quote
@ everyone in recovery knows it’s not the solution. cognitive dissonance is when your mind is two ways basically
@andy2641
@@TaiwanisMoving what I got from the quote was that we keep doing it and feel like it helps us when it’s doing the opposite, I guess that’s how I interpreted it not sure if that’s what she meant
9:23 "She's a little bit plus size" girl you're not a little bit plus size, you're just obese and that's totally fine to admit. This denial is what causes our own demises as human beings. I've been there done that until I lost 154 lbs.
When she said that I was like HUH!?? A LITTLE BIT!?!?
i mean she did admit she was obese, no?
@@gerlinplays1806Not at all. She said or implied at least, when someone would look at me they’d consider me “plus size” while medically (just a technicality) I am considered obese.
I thought she said "I am obese"
They think obese means the people on my 600 pound life. Half of America will be obese by the end of the decade.
I'm a single dad, working full time and go to school currently and I still prepare every single meal my child and I eat. It's about discipline and doing what you're supposed to do whether you feel like it or not. everyone has the ability to be disciplined but very very few choose to.
👏🏽👏🏽 facts
Respect 💯
Couldn't agree more❤
I think people also feel entitled to eat like insanely delicious food because their palate has been so distorted by fast, convenient food, so they don't want to eat simple dishes. Like I cook every meal I eat and often it's pretty boring (still tasty, but not crafted by food scientists to be hyper-palatable) but that also means it doesn't take that much time to cook.
@@marenomorgan this is very true. That's why my son and I only eat real food. Meat fruit and veggies. So I don't have to worry about him or myself becoming addicted to that chemical filled food like product that's not even real food
This made me cry, struggling with my weight since I started puberty and not being diagnosed with PCOS in my 30s it all started to make sense for me. When she said you have to love on that little girl 😢. I do think being obese is a choice it’s hard but you have to tell ppl you are struggling, and it’s okay.
"Addiction is the disease that tells your brain that the problem is the solution" 👏👏👏 That's a huge one! and one that is relevant today more than ever for so many people. The escape that addiction offers us is ultimately the biggest source of misery. and mindfulness/meditation - learning the art of non-reaction - is a powerful tool to fix our addicted selves!
90% agree but caveat from a professional standpoint- it depends a *little* bit on the person. For example, if an addicted person is also experiencing life circumstances that mean they're in a constant state of mental trauma or fight/flight, and have the freeze response, meditation can actually exacerbate the problem bc they're further removing themselves from their somatic processing. Again, it's very person specific, and there's not really a one size fits all solution to addiction, and meditation is incredibly helpful for many people experiencing it- it's just rarely the only solution and if theyre in a clinical setting, a lot of different factors need to be evaluated before recommending it(or any other treatment/coping skill)
@@cidyrog thank you for the thoughtful response 🙏
I don’t think I fully understand the phrase… could you explain it for me? I’m genuinely asking
Being obese isn’t a choice, it’s the result of hundreds and thousands of choices.
Meanwhile I can’t afford to eat
Nailed it.
Success is a lot of small things done well and so is failure. I agree with what you had to say.
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being skinny is not my choice, have you seen my pay check and inside my refregerator? lol I have 2 oatmeal packs and some stale cherrios that I need to throw out. Maybe these ladies aren't poor enough.
10:18 "I have friends who are skinnier than me, we go on walks and they're losing their breaths" GIRL just because they do not have the stamina does not mean that a person is obese 😭😭😭 there are lots of reasons why a person could be out of breath when walking maybe that person is anemic, does not have enough sleep, respiratory condition, etc. Also, BMI parameters are based on your height and weight and it is to determine whether your weight is in healthy proportion with your height. It is just based on your anthropometric measurements and not your capabilities when you are in that weight.
Yeah. And not being fit and not having muscle also leads to a lot of problems later in life, so that also is bad, but a different problem! You lose weight by eating less, you build muscle by exercising, too many people think those two are one and the same...
i’m literally 115 lbs and get out of breath on hikes 😭 idk why she used that as an example when everyone has different conditions when it comes to being active
Lol she's tryna get everybody to be obese and just not her
To me it kind of sounds like she equates the term "obese" with "fit", which would explain her definition of obese. Because you can be not obese and also not be fit and vice versa. Obese is a word to describe the ratio of your height and your weight, but has also been used as a slur so i think that might be why some of the women calles it "medically obese" to put the emphasis on the ratio and away from the slur.
The moment at 43:07 really felt at home to me. 😔 I’m glad that I am doing so much better now!
the plus size woman in the pink shirt is so precious bless her, so sweet 🥺💜
I liked her too!
Ik I hated how they cut her off in the first round!!
I feel like people throw the word "privileged" around too easily nowadays
Especially people who play victimhood olympics.
All these people are Americans, and it you are american, you are already highly privileged.
@@xerxestheimmortal1I was literally about to comment this as bad as America gets were SUPER privileged.
And just for saying that, they'd say you're clearly privileged.
@@xerxestheimmortal1preach! People act like privilege is a bad word, it’s not and it also doesn’t undermine the hard work people have done to earn what they have. But being able to acknowledge you have privilege is a sign of maturity imo.
"Would you consider me obese" coming from a person who is morbidly obese is such a bizarre phenomena. It's also so very clear she is not an active person.
Not saying I disagree with the comment but why would you say she isn’t active?
@@lc-do5eo well by definition active means to pursue physically energetic pursuits, I don't want to make inferences to her state, but hopefully you get the picture! Certain words are thrown around in this video as though they don't have a specific meaning, active is just one of them haha
@@lc-do5eo why would one say water is wet? Come on don't be so open minded your brain falls out
She said she can run though, lol.
I agree with you, but she isn't morbidly obese. She's just obese. MORBIDLY obese is literally one step away from dying, hence the use of the word MORBID. You have to be 400+ pounds to be morbidly obese. She's probably 250-300, which is still inexcusable.
Working out will HELP your mental. Even walking outside I feel better. In fact my fitness is THEEEEE ONLY thing I have that I am in control of.
You have to get up early before work and go. If I don’t go early I’ll still go but I’m not at my optimum when I wait too late and I get “depressed” if something happens preventing me to miss
The girl in the red dress is the only genuine person who isn't blind in delusion
And the Asian baddie
She might be delusional cuz she doesn’t seem fit and if she has botox wouldn’t surprise me if she had some other surgeries done
It's so sad how most of the women feel offended when a doctor/proffesional/close friend tells them they are obese. It's not an offensive slur, it's a medical term, and when a proffesional tells you that, it means you are by all health standards overweight and it is endangering your life in some way. They are being paid to help people, and I believe most of them got into that proffesion because of that, it's just so dissapointing to see how hard it is for some people to just accept criticism that is meant to elongate their life.
not even elongate life , i was obese three years ago , existing was painful , couldnt breath, couldnt walk , i was always uncomfortable, sweaty , stomach pains ,lung pains ,plus feelings disgusted by my body , losing weight made life worth living
But BMI is not really a medical term, it is a mathematical one. Nobody ever questions where this term comes from and how it came to be.
@@vivianacordero135 How about we have a look away from numbers and at real bodies then? Can you realistically say that someone who is taking up 1.5-2 seats, breathing hard, can barely fit clothing, and generally is nowhere near fit, is healthy? Once again disregarding BMI. Using your eyes and brain here.
I totally understand but I also can see this from their perspective. “Retard” was also a medical term and for years people who were *Not* doctors used that word to put down disabled people. I would say that the word obese is also used in the same way by people who are *Not* doctors. And when not used by doctors it is almost always used as a derogatory term. I wouldn’t want to be called obese by my doctor or anyone if I was bullied all throughout school with that same word.
Literally because of everyone in these comments, MAKING it into a bad thing. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Red lady saved this episode. She made up for a general lack of logic and reasoning in that room.
The men episode was better cuz they didn't walk on eggshells
I like the lady in red too
@@psychobillynumbnuts1 facts
She is a fit imposter lol
First time she opened her mouth was to cut someone off and be rude. But with TH-cam being generally all about FACTS and LOGIC, I'm not surprised literally everyone is all over her, lmao
There’s nothing wrong with being plus size, there’s nothing wrong with being someone who likes plus size people. Nothing becomes problematic once it’s taken to the extreme.
If plus size is the nice way of saying morbidly obese, then there is something wrong with being plus size.
Yeah I like curvy ladies!
All these women saying “you’d look at me and think I’m a lil overweight but I’m obese clinically” need to realise everyone looking at you is thinking you are obese
Seriously. They are delusional. People take one look and don’t look back. They are the invisible women we pass on the sidewalks.
Thats where the body positivity comes in.
😂 yeah we have eyes
At Costco :
$15 - 3 Rotisserie chicken
$10 - 5lb Bag of mixed veggies
Less than $1 - Pot of rice
$5 - 3 lbs of Sweet potatoes
You can have 3 healthy meals every day for the whole week for about $30
Amen. It’s not hard. Their problem is they don’t want to eat it.
She was speaking about only having 12 dollars. Yes that's cheap but I may not have enough money to pay for a 30 dollar meal while tryna pay my rent and other bills.
Rotisserie chicken's are only healthy if you take the skin off. Have you seen the calories on those labels? lol
@@_Ang3licGh0ulz_it’s not a 30 dollar meal. It’s food for the rest of the week.
@@penelopephelangecalories don’t equate to health. A food can be highly nutrient dense while also having a lot of calories.
Saying you don’t have time is the worst excuse especially if you have any form of social media
I agree. But they might also need that in their lives, time and ways to decompress of the stresses of life. But yes in the end it comes down to prioritising physical health/fitness
@@Gervardo Gym is decompressing. You don't need to use your mind, you just lift weights. At most you have to count and adjust form.
@@lifevest1it’s not just that though. Social media connects you with friends and family, it’s a way of communication. The issue is America’s work and hustle culture (which we’re forced to do) as well as the American diet and not prioritizing health and wellness.
@@lifevest1 for you it might be, some people really dislike the gym
Social media has been proven to be a net negative for society.
I think our minds are our BIGGEST prisons. The second you tell yourself you can’t do this because x,y,z…then you’ve already stopped yourself from achieving it.
As someone with has had severe depression her whole life. A mom and wife. Me cutting out processed foods and taking more time into what I put in, has been THE biggest game changer for me. I don’t even count calories or go to the gym 5 days a week. I just do mindful eating, portion control, drink only water, wine, and coffee (home made not a bunch of sugar Starbucks drinks anymore).
Resetting my gut health, has literally saved my life.
And I am certainly not thin and miserablE. I feel and AM stronger than I’ve ever been.
"Fit people are more attractive"
Only the asian girl is connected to reality here
Attractiveness is subjective. What some people like may or may not be the same as you. Different beauty standards for different people, that's what you should understand.
@@yoshiette Subjective, sure. Cultural, definitely. Statistical, also. Beauty being subjective doesn't negate that there are high percentage concensuses about it.
@@yoshiettewhile subjective from person to person there is still some collaborative understanding of general attractiveness.
e.g. some people love assholes but most people like nice people.
e.g. some men like huge woman (not curvy but HUGE WOMAN) but a majority of people agree there is a certain range of weight where women that can be attractive but once it hits a certain level it will be perceived as less attractive.
e.g. most people will agree that unibrows aren’t attractive but there are those who like it.
To think there aren’t general attribute that most people find attractive is crazy. Frankly most people like people who aren’t super overweight let alone obese.
@@yoshiette i promise you nobody finds a 500 lb guy/gal more attractive than a normal weight person no matter how subjective attraction is
This exactly. Yes, there are beautiful women in every shape, that's very much possible, but overall, base physical attraction is based on a perceived image of health and prosperity. If sb LOOKS unhealthy, they'll look generally be less attractive physically to the majority of people
Saying you cant cook because you have kids O.O so the kids eating gunk too
Those kids will grow up saying their weight is genetic, but really it's that mom is feeding them the poison she feeds herself.
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Exactly. Not only a bad example but a terrible parent
I've never seen a obese kid with skinny parents
Yes usually. It’s sad
Asking to define the term obese while your gut is hanging out is diabolical
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Yooo 😂😂😂
Yooo😂😂😂
The cope is unreal! Listen to how they explain that being thinner isn't more attractive! This is wild lol
bruh
I actually loved this. Lots of actually discussion. Lots of love and lots of listening
Obesity doesn't mean you are a bad person, but the first step to change something is to acknowledge it, not deny it.
I believe it's the medical field.
Best comment I've seen so far :)
i think it does. it means you're lazy and weak.
I think a lot of the women here are afraid to get cancelled. A lot of them are definitely hesitating🤣🤣🤣
Edit: MOM IM FAMOUS!
That one prompt about attractiveness 😂
maybe they are just afraid of hurting someone they dont know....... basic empathy idk if you know what that is.
@@sxturn8325the point is to be honest. You can be honest while being kind with your words
@@kovuroo sure.. but my point still stands
@@sxturn8325no I think they fear more for whatever career they have and monitoring what they're saying.
after watching this video I realize that If you really wanna get fit there isn't anything holding you back but yourself and your excuses.
Real
True, this really did show the difference in the mentalities. Not everyone there but at least two of them had nothing but excuses and reasons it’s so extra difficult for them. The fit people had a completely different mentality. People hold themselves back
true and at the end of the day, no one really cares or can save anyone else. youve got to do what gives you the best quality of life. pain and suffering does not discriminate and you can't talk it away with progressive ideology
FACTS!
Well said
I will argue that eating healthier is not expensive. Last year, I chose to take my health super serious and lost over 20 lbs, went from 189 to 166 in 2 months just from changing my diet, avoiding VERY specific foods and walking 1 hour every day. I mainly avoided bread and dairy because i have pcos and it helps. Spent $60 every weekly grocery trip while balancing rent, bills, transported while making $15/hr. For anyone living below that, i can definitely understand where it could be difficult.
The girl being in denial that she’s obese…
That part was kinda sad
She’s delusional
She's not Obese, She's Morbidly Obese.
She’s clearly out-eating her activeness.
Ikr lol
I just went from 325 to 210, 90% of the stuff coming out of the obese side are excuses.
Proud of you
I'm so proud of you too!! I would absolutely love some tips plz? I'm trying to lose 30lbs and it's pretty difficult 😕
Proud of you.
Amazing! Congratulations :)
@@Melodyy33919put the fork down and walk more. You will reap the most rewards through restricting calories from food rather than relying on exercise to burn calories. Make easy swaps like sodas to calorie free, food groups to low sugar etc
A pack of chicken thighs, broccoli, and rice/beans is cheaper, healthier, and will last weeks longer than fast food 3x a day.
There isn’t “privilege” in eating healthy. There are millions of families with kids that eat healthy everyday. Laziness does not equal lack of privilege.
I lost 45 lbs at a time when I didn’t have much money and I didn’t even buy meat because it was expensive. Rice, beans, veggies, tofu. DONE. That’s it. Cheap af, healthy, delicious.
I HATE this lie that healthy eating is expensive, it’s actually SO CHEAP.
@@LegitHumor29I’ve gotten into arguments over this in real life. They claim that it’s a privileged position to understand what healthy food is and I just don’t get that. Even if someone is just eating rice and broccoli with a protein it’s cheaper and healthier and doesn’t require education to know that.
@@megshush it’s a MILLION times healthier! Sure, you’re lacking a little protein with just rice and broccoli but processed food literally has NO real nutrients. People have really been deluded enough to believe that a Big Mac with tomato is comprise of a carb, a veg, and protein therefore it’s healthy 😭😭😭
It’s maddening. Our education system is absolutely failing our country when it comes to health, nutrition, and science (and pretty much everything else 😭)
If you can afford a kitchen for yourself, time to cook it and the tools in the kitchen which poorest people dont have. Once a person has access to these, then of course creating a budget for a diet full of healthy foods makes more sense.
@@legavrielthe vast majority of obese (50% of Americans) have access to a kitchen. Yes, even the poorest in trailers can cook.
It's admirable how at a time like this you make an episode that's for sure interesting and trying to get views, but you're actually doing it respectfully and in a not dramatic way like for example getting the girls to fight to spice things up. You can tell when a presenter is trying to give drama or calm things down, I'm sure you could do the first but glad you did the second.
Obese and medical obese is the same thing, stop coping
I think they are confused the colloquial use of obese with the literal definition and that is the issue
The BMI is an antiquated tool, which doesn’t take into account muscle volume etc… many professional athletes are “medically obese” but not by society standards. I think that woman just didn’t know what she was talking about and is maybe not ready to accept that term
@@FloatingInSpace5702 yeah but none of the women in the video that were obese had high enough muscle mass for that to be a factor
@@lachlanross1 it’s still an antiquated tool. The guy who made the BMI literally said in his study that he created it for to not use it as a source for comparing health. The only reason why it’s used is because health insurance companies needed a guideline to go off of so they chose that.
Are the girls in the video obese, yes - but I 1000% believe we need a new way to define obesity that takes in more than height and weight.
@@FloatingInSpace5702 This is such a cope argument. Most people won't have enough muscle to actually raise their weight enough to obesity levels.
It takes years and years of dedicated working out to actually raise your ''muscle weight'' by 15 or so kg yet we have these couch potatoes who can barely even lift their own behind claiming they are heavy because of muscle. So no most athletes actually won't be ''medical obese'' because athletes actually have low bodyfat percentage which usually puts them at average weight
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"How dare you" when she said that, it felt with so much compassion and empathy 😭❣️❣️
Yes!! I hope it was well received. That was what honest tough love looks like
@@Nicole-vu5ju Bless ❤️
What no it totally scared me 😭
Same😭
I am obese, but I’ve started hitting the gym since last week. Wish me luck 🙏🏻
You got this!!!
Luck🎉
I commend you for even seeing that this lifestyle is unhealthy and you can and will do something about it rather than trying to cope. By the way, if you’re heavy heavy walking and consuming less food will lead to greater weight loss than lifting weights.
you go this , take it slow , remember it took time to get to that point, and it will also take some time to get to your ideal weight/body
You got this. Find what works for you, keep consistent, rest days are okay, drink water!
Before I watch this, I know someone is gonna cry. And it’s not a hate comment. It’s a prediction
Why do people treat 'obese' like a bad word? Denying it only makes it harder to address and reduce the rates of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and more.
prob cuz the word is thrown around as super bad and like “omg haha ur so obese” and stuff
Because people use it as an insult. That’s why.
People sometimes are evil when it comes to that. I honestly hate them too. However, regardless--there's no point of "denying" it. As mentioned on the video the girl was diagnosed with Obesity but also saying "For me im not" (not exactly the words but that's how she interpreted it)
Obese has been used as an insult for a long time and I think that’s why so many people don’t want to admit they are obesed
in 10 years the words mentally challenged will be considered a slur
Autumn is just the sweetest. All of her answers seemed honest. I hope she has a very nice life ❤️
@sadautumnroseyou give such welcoming and positive energy ❤️ you’re so sweet girl!
she's adorable
@sadautumnrose happy to hear that :)
Yeah I really liked Autumn too! Very lovely and genuine. ☺️
The problem with these conversations is that you'll NEVER win by telling the truth. Whoever is the most politically correct wins. It's sad to see and uncomfortable to watch someone being bullied for promoting fitness. Fit will ALWAYS be better than obese. Physically & Mentally. We just seem to be conflicting this truth with the inherent worth we all have as humans, which is not dependent on your body size.
It’s a tough one that’s for sure. Looking after your wellbeing is important, nothing false about that. But at the same time we can’t always judge someone’s worth by their size alone.
Lady in the red dress spoke to my soul 🥺❤️ I've never heard someone say "How dare you!" with such love and compassion ❤️
@sadautumnrose You two were great!
@sadautumnroseloved u so much!!
I literally cried cause what she said I NEEDED to hear
Timestamp?
@@k.5425 I’m not too sure but just listen to the last prompt and what she had to say when she first walks up
absolutely love Leia. you can tell she truly cares about this topic and people seeing their worth while not putting down anyone.
and her hairstyle is sooo cute!!!
She isn't fit though so I don't know why she's on that side
@@brookeh21 ”Fit” doesn’t neccessarily mean skinny. If you take a look on the olympics pretty much everyone is fit but in their own way for their sport
@@JupiterYuno fit doesn't mean you have a belly poking out under your dress either.
@@brookeh21 even the fittest of women have their bellies poking out. some part of it is literally our uterus and you cant do anything about it. i think having a flat stomach is very unrealistic for majority of people
This is worthy of applause. What a difficult, sensitive, and deeply personal topic, and what brave young women for being able to share their views so candidly and with compassion for one another.
im just happy i can spread hate in the comments
seriously! I thought there would be moments of rage bait but this whole conversation was really mature.
Notice the main difference between the two groups: can-do attitude versus a defeatist attitude. It's all about attitude.
Saw the title and instantly pressed play 😂
Mee too😅😅
Same 😂
same, its just too funny
IMMEDIATELY
Someone sent me this because they knew I’d like it lol
“If you see me do you consider me obese?”
Yes. Next question.
ikr....obviously
i hated how they seemed to want to tiptoe around it lol
I’m so glad someone said it
People have been deluded with language like chubby, chunky, a little on the heavy side, and plump.
There's a reason why you won't find obese people in photos from the 1940s and 50s
@@ADanZLifealso, it’s possible she’s the smallest of other bigger friends and family members. So in her head she thinks she’s not that big
It made me frustrated that they didn’t let the girl with PCOS talk. Like, she has a medical issue and they didn’t let her talk about her experience.
@sadautumnrosewish we had the uncut version
@sadautumnrose PCOS (like so many autoimmne conditions) stems from inflammation. A friend of mine had her first child after being diagnosed because she lost a ton of weight and went low carb. Inflammation is the source of most of these conditions. But doctors don't know this and would rather sell pills.
Because it's another EXCUSE
@@supremeakuma y’all need to look up the difference between EXPLANATION and excuse. Nobody likes to address nuance anymore
PCOS is a cause of bad lifestyle and eating habits.
The lady in the red dress was so supportive. I like how she made everyone feel more confident about themselves. You can tell that she’s been through a lot and that she’s really strong. ❤❤