This is actually why I only bag one brand of discs. And I start with the same plastic and similar weights between them before I know enough to move on to different plastics and weighs with different stabilities. It's easier to find a disc to fit a slot at that point because within reason, within the same brand, plastic, and weight, you can remove the unnecessary variables when trying to diagnose your discs but also your mechanics. "Well this should fly straight, but it's super OS" - okay, now I don't have to worry about a ton of stuff and figure out if I'm throwing on hyzer for some reason or I'm doing something else weird. And if I can get that down, then I can diagnose a disc inconsistency or something weird. Instead of saying "why is my hex more stable than my claymore!" A third party would be AWESOME! especially if it could figure out the varying stabilities with plastics and weights as well. Not just the molds. A true rating system that takes into account those variables would be awesome
I just started throwing discs in Oct/23. Numbers have been the most confusing part about the sport. I never knew about the parting line, that will help out a ton when choosing my next disc. Thanks for the info, just gained a new subscriber.👍
Kind of what I like what infinite disc does, they pretty much go off of what Innova flight numbers are but then has a subset of numbers of kind of how it feels from there. And even when you look at listing of different brands it shows that brands flight numbers but then kind of the infinite disc/anova what it feels like variant. So you kind of always have a rough understanding
I was at the pro shop yesterday and I was looking for a Wraith. Comparing edge heights, there was as much as 2mm variation between any two in the stack of 15 or so Star Wraiths. If the nominal height is around 7mm (eyeballing it), we're talking a variance of roughly 30% Short story: not even a Wraith flies like a Wraith.
Great vid, very well produced, only critique I have is there are other factors that affect flight like weight distribution between the rim and flight plate, dome, etc.
Stability isn't decided by PLH alone, there are a ton of factors. It's a good indicator but definitely not a direct proportional predictor of stability. For the Strive it really just boils down to a bad turn rating on it. It should have been like -2 / 2 comparable to an MVP Wave. The problem is that Latitude marketing seems to be aimed mostly at newer players, but newer players can virtually never throw a 13 speed at the required speed - so they see it as more overstable than it actually is.
As has been mentioned flight numbers have too many variables. Assuming a consistent throwing motion and release angle, flight still varies by arm speed, plastic, air temperature, elevation, and wind. Flight numbers even vary between runs. If you look at the parting lines for example you can find under and over stable destroyers or valkries. There is no replacement for throwing a disc for yourself.
Yeah… and when even the plastic affect the stability… it is not easy to be beginner discgolfer! Some companies like mvp rates their discs differently based on plastic they use…. But even that is not consistent. I have several mvp shock fairway drivers… one is stable / understable. Rest are overstable meathooks. Same plastic, same weigth different characteristic! Is croscountry skis they test each ski and get the stifnes of that particular ski… Yeah… not likely to see test to each individual disc… but some way of separating different stability disk even with same oranssi and same mold… would be nice. A sticker weight and higher ratio measured in factory line automatically for each disk… maybe?
anyone that thought that the numbers were universal is new to the sport...this video is pointless tbh...you can throw 3 of the same exact discs on the same line and they will fly differently...i don't want to be that guy but i've been poorly playing this game for 23 years and the only thing i know for sure is that disc golf is the only game that will cause a hippie to hate trees...
I agree. Take two exact same disc and they will fly different. I think maybe the best way to do this is. 1: use one of them new disc launchers turned down to a ‘normal arm speed’ say 60mph and base the flight numbers off that. 2: stamp every disc with a run number and then send the disc threw the disc launcher between each run adjusting the numbers between plastics and runs. (This isn’t going to happen) so just stamp every disc with a run number so can get a general idea of stability by word of mouth.
Brilliant explanation of how you can actually SEE a discs stability just by looking at it. Haven’t seen that anywhere else yet. Thanks!
Happy to help!
I own multiple vanish and they are nowhere near -3 turn. At best -2 turn with 2 fade
Thanks for your input!
This is actually why I only bag one brand of discs. And I start with the same plastic and similar weights between them before I know enough to move on to different plastics and weighs with different stabilities. It's easier to find a disc to fit a slot at that point because within reason, within the same brand, plastic, and weight, you can remove the unnecessary variables when trying to diagnose your discs but also your mechanics. "Well this should fly straight, but it's super OS" - okay, now I don't have to worry about a ton of stuff and figure out if I'm throwing on hyzer for some reason or I'm doing something else weird. And if I can get that down, then I can diagnose a disc inconsistency or something weird. Instead of saying "why is my hex more stable than my claymore!"
A third party would be AWESOME! especially if it could figure out the varying stabilities with plastics and weights as well. Not just the molds. A true rating system that takes into account those variables would be awesome
Thanks for your input!
I just started throwing discs in Oct/23. Numbers have been the most confusing part about the sport. I never knew about the parting line, that will help out a ton when choosing my next disc. Thanks for the info, just gained a new subscriber.👍
Thank you! Happy to help.
This is a really well produced video. Kinda surprised it’s not catching the algorithm more
Thank you!
Kind of what I like what infinite disc does, they pretty much go off of what Innova flight numbers are but then has a subset of numbers of kind of how it feels from there. And even when you look at listing of different brands it shows that brands flight numbers but then kind of the infinite disc/anova what it feels like variant. So you kind of always have a rough understanding
I was at the pro shop yesterday and I was looking for a Wraith. Comparing edge heights, there was as much as 2mm variation between any two in the stack of 15 or so Star Wraiths. If the nominal height is around 7mm (eyeballing it), we're talking a variance of roughly 30%
Short story: not even a Wraith flies like a Wraith.
Thanks for your input!
Great vid, very well produced, only critique I have is there are other factors that affect flight like weight distribution between the rim and flight plate, dome, etc.
Thanks for your input!
I have a few discraft disc that are a few years old. They have a fifth number rating for stability.
Raptor, nuke, avenger ss and flick all have a fifth number for stability.
Yes, Discraft does have a stability rating that pre-dates the current system. Thanks for your comment!
Stability isn't decided by PLH alone, there are a ton of factors. It's a good indicator but definitely not a direct proportional predictor of stability.
For the Strive it really just boils down to a bad turn rating on it. It should have been like -2 / 2 comparable to an MVP Wave. The problem is that Latitude marketing seems to be aimed mostly at newer players, but newer players can virtually never throw a 13 speed at the required speed - so they see it as more overstable than it actually is.
Thanks for your input. Well said!
You need to check your theory on a Rollo. Sounds good but I'm not so sure it's that straight forward.
As has been mentioned flight numbers have too many variables. Assuming a consistent throwing motion and release angle, flight still varies by arm speed, plastic, air temperature, elevation, and wind.
Flight numbers even vary between runs. If you look at the parting lines for example you can find under and over stable destroyers or valkries.
There is no replacement for throwing a disc for yourself.
Thanks for your input!
Yeah… and when even the plastic affect the stability… it is not easy to be beginner discgolfer!
Some companies like mvp rates their discs differently based on plastic they use…. But even that is not consistent.
I have several mvp shock fairway drivers… one is stable / understable. Rest are overstable meathooks. Same plastic, same weigth different characteristic!
Is croscountry skis they test each ski and get the stifnes of that particular ski…
Yeah… not likely to see test to each individual disc… but some way of separating different stability disk even with same oranssi and same mold… would be nice.
A sticker weight and higher ratio measured in factory line automatically for each disk… maybe?
Great point! Thanks for the input!
anyone that thought that the numbers were universal is new to the sport...this video is pointless tbh...you can throw 3 of the same exact discs on the same line and they will fly differently...i don't want to be that guy but i've been poorly playing this game for 23 years and the only thing i know for sure is that disc golf is the only game that will cause a hippie to hate trees...
I agree. Take two exact same disc and they will fly different. I think maybe the best way to do this is. 1: use one of them new disc launchers turned down to a ‘normal arm speed’ say 60mph and base the flight numbers off that. 2: stamp every disc with a run number and then send the disc threw the disc launcher between each run adjusting the numbers between plastics and runs. (This isn’t going to happen) so just stamp every disc with a run number so can get a general idea of stability by word of mouth.
Thanks for your input!