Watch in full: Mick Lynch and union bosses embarrass the Tories in their own Select Committee
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- Mick Whelan of ASLEF, Rob Jenks of the TSSA and the RMT's Mick Lynch were in front of the Transport Select Committee to give evidence on the government's proposed minimum service levels on train lines on strike days.
Each and every aspect of the anti-strike legislation was completely dismantled.
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And your point is?
Tories seem to forget unions were a respectable and reasonable alternative to guillotines and revolutions.
Do they need reminding? I really hope not because that would be just us reaching rock bottom and innocents being killed.
@@albal156 But the problem is that the rentier class / establishment has been trying to put back into the box everything that our ancestors fought for - health and safety at work, clean water, education for all, and so forth. They were pissed off that they had to offer up something "nice" after 2 catastrophic world wars fought by the common man for their privilege and power, and so we got things like the NHS and better housing and education. Its as though they've decided " the plebs have had enough nice stuff now, so let;s get back to the status quo ante where and take everything back and revert to the traditional order" - a sort of pre-1920's feudalism. I am convinced that the ONLY thing that WILL focus their attention, is the installation of a guillotine and feeding a few entitled mooks to the block. The sad thing is that there seems to be a large cohort of groveling lickspittles in the shire backwaters and home counties suburbs that seem t be genetically programmed to be butlers, dogsbodies, housekeepers, cleaners, ghillies, gamekeepers and gardeners for the big houses on the hill where their "betters" live.
The Tories have always hated the Unions.Look at the way they treated the Miners in the 70s and 80s.Look at how they’ve treated the Rail Unions, the nurses ,the ambulance drivers,teachers.Just Imagine a law like this being passed? We’d end up like Russia or China.People being beaten up by the police and carted off to places unknown.This law must NEVER happen.😡
Or transportation to Australia and imprisonment .
If you're unaware of this historical event, look up the Peterloo Massacre 1819 in Lancashire.
@@albal156...okay, this is gonna be krass, remember recently, a young woman at the time of her involvement, a typist was found complicit in the murder of innocents in a German death camp. Merchant seamen carrying goods to Russia were seen as fair game for the u-boats. Who is innocent?
What’s evident is the clear lack of knowledge or willingness to listen to front line workers on the realities of rail in the UK. Same with the NHS, Teachers and Civil Service, listen and then apply common sense
The reality is that the trade union movement is directly responsible for so-called perks that most of us take for granted these days such as weekends off, equal pay and equal opportunities, maternity pay, minimum and living wages, flexible working hours, workplace health and safety and the right not to get sacked if you are ill. No wonder some people really dislike unions!
never understimate british peoples ability to sacrifice every single human right they have in order to not be mildly inconvenienced by a train not running
@@bearwynn even when they’re not using it 🤦♂️
Some people are too self absorbed as well as stupid, to realise how much we need to support workers rights, no matter whether we are directly affected by strike action or not!
The consequences of not supporting other workers rights are enormous, and do affect us all on the end!
How can anyone in paid work, (apart from ceos and the very rich ) be anti union? They make sure your rights are protected and fight for decent pay To be against this is self harm ! I don’t get it !!!
Plus a hell of a lot more - but don't be too sure about having the right not to be sacked if you're ill.
If only MPs had a minimum service level?
Would stop them getting second jobs I would hope
Most underrated comment of the month.☝🏻
Well said
If only some MP’s had a minimum empathy and intelligence level, and understand that the electorate are not a dumb as they like to think
Love this
what the general public doesnt realise is that once rights get stripped away, even if you think it helps you right now, in the future those loss of rights could effect you too and come back to haunt you.
Yeah, they think they're the good guys, and its only the other people that are going to suffer
Exactly!
Correct. It’s why the government doesn’t care to move the Just Stop Oil protesters because when the public reaches boiling point, the public anger will get bills through parliament affecting the public’s right to strike. They’ll then have free reign to take away our liberties and we’ll not be able to do anything about it because we supported them previously.
Striking should be a completely unlimited right for all workers. If only there were an opposition party that was willing to stand with the Labour force in this country...
The Green Party do! They've been very pro union and have stood by the strikes across the country over the last year or so.
You are right, there isn’t. Maybe there is a reason for this child.
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Politicians getting schooled.
This has to be watched by everyone. I keep on saying it but Mick Lynch coming into the public spotlight, is the best thing that’s happened in this country in a very long time.
He has helped raise the profile of the strikes and unions hugely imo.
Articulate n composed. I can see why his union pushed him to the fore as a speaker for them. :)
I agree with your statement. STRIKS SHOULD BE those who owns the RAILWAYS and THE UNIONS! WHAT HAS THE GOVERNMENT GOT TO DO WITH THIS? BECAUSE THE CORPORATIONS OR HAND IN GLOVE WITH ONEANOTHER?.
I enjoy listening to Mick Lynch in these settings, extremely credible, unemotional, well spoken as in he gets his points across with zero bluster. If he was a politician he would get my vote.
And mine
@@annenunney9907 mine too
Well, I never thought I'd see the day the Tories summon union bosses to a select committee to question them on how to structure a piece of anti-strike legislation, but here we are.
Mike Lynch " the government people in charge of running the railway have the least idea of what they're actually doing. They have no idea of running a railroad ". This could equally be said of most government departments as few currently seem to be operating efficiently !!!.
You are so right Mick Lynch and the others know this business inside out
Mick obviously does not remember when the railways were nationalised.
@@lestrem11 I think he does
@@lestrem11 ??? Please explain ur comment
@@calicokittenproductions591 How old are you? When nationalised the railways were a bloody disgrace. Filthy trains that never ran on time . The unions would like to see this return?
If certain groups of workers are essential to society, they should be paid enough to deter them from ever wanting to go on strike. It must be remembered that the amount of money needed is less than is lost through tax evasion and avoidance.
The unhappy leavers are easily replaceable
@@daveedwards7366Not for skilled work. I'm in a civil service job and it has so far taken a new recruit c++ dev almost half a year to get only a basic level of ability in my job. He's probably still more than a year away from being someone we can trust to just get on with the work by himself without heavy supervision, which is an extra burden on the rest of us that we're not being paid for.
So no, not easily replaced.
It's bloody painful and expensive to lose people to lack of pay
@@daveedwards7366 train driver's
@@moreplease998 I suggest the trainer or training is it fault and besides it's far more expensive to keep bad workers, nobody, absolutely nobody is irreplaceable! particularly in the civil service
@@therealrobertbirchall is that a statement, a question, sarcasm????
I can see a horrible accident happening - and it will be on the heads of this GOVT!!!
It is strange to see politicians asking questions and getting actual answers to the questions they have asked. If only they could take a leaf out of their own books but they are not as well informed about their own work as Lynch and Co are.
Mick is always on point , he is such a killer and knows his own thing and that's why when journos ask him questions, they end up looking stupid in the front of Mick 😂😂😂
"it's the norm in Europe" says tory.
since when has tory desired to follow Europe's industrial relations or anything else that involves the general public ?
Conservatives official position was to remain in the EU btw
_"I didn't Brexit only to have to still choose between the penny and the bun."_ - *Every brexiteer ever.*
The fact that this is even being considered is terrifying. Lineker's analogy of the current Tory government is more and more apt each day.
Mick lynch is a top class union man. Enough is enough of this government, workers deserve their rights , and also proper wages . The people who are seriously overpaid are cabinet ministers, journalists,. media, and t.v.presenters.
Tbf I think MPs get paid about right, enough so that we can ban them from having second jobs, which we should do.
Journalists...Well it's a mixed bag innit. Freelance work isn't great and I know making money in news has become more difficult, especially for those with integrity.
Corporate profits, shareholders, ceos, film and some sports stars earn too much
Amd some presenters tbf
.but it's small pennies compared to some
Well on jobs in the media its very individualistic, based on the size of the company. Some presenters are probably paid fair rates for their work while others will have ridiculously high wages like in sports.
If you want to stop strikes, empower workers to resolve issues without resorting to strike. But let's be real, this isn't about avoiding strikes, this is about the Tories getting the British people to work more for less. This is about bringing back serfdom.
I think they have already done that. No secure housing , zero hours contracts on jobs, people in lower pay than 13 years ago, NHS reduced to a shambles because they have refused to train enough doctors and nurses and pay them so poorly that those who can move abroad. The only people who have benefitted are the super wealthy who pay a lower rate of tax than those of us who are waged and now they want to behave like 19th century mill owners , deny people the right to industrial action.
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"SHOULDN'T THEY BE TELLING US? ...INSTEAD OF US TELLING YOU? 😏🙄🤣🤣.YOU WOULD THINK THE LATTER BUT THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE GOVERNMENT USING COMMON SENSE AND THEY LACK THAT AND MUCH MORE😂😂😂😂
Mick is so articulate when it comes to arguing a point, I have never seen anyone do it better
I still remember the days when Labour spoke up for trade unions in Westminster and backed them openly.
I was in 84/5 Miners Strike and Neil Kinnock's involvement in the 1 year dispute. He did alright "Lord Kinnock". 16:10
They still do surely
Labour are tories
We should be so thankful for these unions to fight for the working mans, woman’s rights at work.
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Tories don't get it?
- How can we force you to strike in a way that it doesn't impact the business?
You can't. That's the whole point of a strike.
It's gotta hurt them as much as us so they start listening.
is “them” the commuters and patients? Surely you acknowledge the people worst effected are ordinary people
@@danielbentham758 in theory shareholders would lose significant money, bosses would have their employment jeopardised, trust on the company running the service would erode, strikers would lose part of their salary, and most users would be inconvenienced.
Ordinary people include strikers, non-users and users.
Whoever told you ordinary people are the worst affected is lying to you.
@@danielbentham758if you don’t want commuters and patients affected, then you shouldn’t pass legislation that forces the people who run the services they rely on to work when they’ve decided to withdraw their labour.
Unions and collective bargaining are the polite alternative to revolutions.
Well said mick
Even labour mp's despise trade unions. The whole of parliament is rotten. Completely rotten, this is terribly concerning.
The railway is to professional for the government to understand it. Legislators snooping around asking others to help them put something together is an absolute disgrace.
Actually that is exactly the correct way to do it. What do legislators know about railways/health systems/utilities/etc? They need to ask the people who are doing the job. The responses they are getting here are not surprising, given the nature of the prospective legislation. The disgrace will likely be the response to those answers which, I suspect, will be to completely ignore them.
staggering how little the government knows about the railway...especially now when it's making proposals to legislate it ! are ministers actually across their portfolios these days?
Torries bringing laws so bad that consultations like this boil down to: “We propose two options: hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer or an axe. Which option would you prefer and how would you improve them?”
Consultants:…wtf?
What about anti corruption laws in Parliament. What about a law making politicians honour their promises. And a law preventing the coffin dodgers in the lords from falling asleep and claiming their cash. What about a law preventing council executives getting ridiculous pay rises.
Seems to me that these politicians are a bit thick
A bit thick...is an understatement!
Ooops looks like no one will come to work.. I guess the dopey government didn't think of that scenario 😂😂
Ringing in sick is a very underrated tactic
@@edaleman2758 I dunno..u should see some of today's modern society..it's like there go to tactic when they can't be arsed 😏🙄🤣🤣
@@paul8161 Why would you bother with the meagre rewards on offer?
@@edaleman2758 ohh I see you mean wages I take it...well my Meagre wages if you want to put it like that keep a roof over my head and feed me and my partner..
They are getting enslaved and conscripted as Mick said. No problem.
Just tell them they must work while pointing guns at them. Big guns. I can see no problems with that.
Maybe they could use the whips from the 18th century to pacify those vermin? So they go to work and transport the cattle aka citizens to their work?
Its all hilarious entertainment, i hope they continue this farce for many more years for our pleasure.
If only all unions had a Mick Lynch. Up the workers!
Put a spanner in the works guys ✊️✊️✊️
It's ironic you have three highly skilled..highly intelligent people talking to a government who like to think they know more then these three people...who have DECADES OF EXPERIENCE OF THE RAILWAY...it would be like a man off the street telling a surgeon he's been operating wrong for year's.. you just wouldn't say it.. unless your a government of course 😂😂😂😂
The Committee is looking for information from the Unions to make their anti-strike legislation more effective. Lol.
Spot on. Compromise as long as the compromise is one way street Tories way or no way
I would LOVE for Mick Lynch to form a party and get these scumbags out of parliament. We could roll Sunak and Starmer into one body and you would only get half a soul. Hollow men, hollow promises, and hollow principles.
Worst case senatrio for a government is to have people who refuse to be governed. If they're in an industry that can't do without them the government will be relying on workers willingness to see their collegues sacked and not taking action to support them. Instead of the unions dutifully informing rail bosses when they're planning a strike so the travelling public can make other arrangements, you'll have wildcat strikes with no warning, bringing the railways to a halt and leaving millions of passengers stranded on platforms. If this happens the public will not be looking at railworkers to blame, they'll be looking at a government who've allowed it to happen..
What a government who dosnt now how to run a country or a system..see the conservative party for guidence. 🙄
We all the a strong union in the workplace because that’s the only way we will get fair wages and conditions ✊
Keep reminding yourself that the government has spent more of our taxes in payments to the train companies than it would have cost to pay the workers. Ditto nurses and doctors, their friends and families owned companies have made a fortune supplying temporary staff to hospitals 20:39 because the government prefers to force the NHS to take on these expensive staff rather than allow them to train or adequately pay the doctors and nurses. Rishi Sunak, a millionaire , only pays 22 % tax while his wife, a billionaire pays even less. They want us to earn less, pay more tax and live in poverty.
Never give up your rights,never
Still. Call out the hyenas. The right to strike can be removed ONLY on the condition that no offshore / secret wealth can own property in the UK, that no tax avoidance schemes will bring the relative tax paid below that of lower earners and that ministerial conflicts of interest must include children and that a Jury will oversee these and include provisions to reclaim wealth passed on by ministerial persons.
Also, that the pay relative to the international average against relative property and energy prices must be in the bottom half.
Hi, the union leaders should have told the commitee very little as to how the law would not work, as now they will have an idea which areas they need to look at to enable minimum staffing to keep some services running. Before getting this information ministers and law makers would not have a clue what is needed. The answered should have been, 'it will not work and we will never support it.' They will try and press the new law through regardless of all the difficulties explained to them, so tell them nothing.
I agree with you to the extent that we may be talking about competent lawmakers. The Tories keep writing and drafting laws that will pass every-time but they can’t implement them. Before they could implement half of the laws they’ve written and passed they would first need to restore the police force, the police stations, the paralegals, solicitors, barristers, judges, and fund all other public services required to enact that law. As it stands, this meaningless piece of legislation is just that. Who is going to enforce it? Who’s going to rule on it? And once the people affected exhaust domestic remedies, and move it to the ECtHR, what are they going to do other than highlight how badly written it is, realise how underfunded every public sector is, open the gates for more people to take action against the state, and end up paying out more and face MORE international embarrassment.
The only thing this legislation will change is the statute. There’s no way anyone sensible would use it knowing it strip’s fundamental rights and protections. Also, there’s other ways to strike and protest… the French do it all the time and there’s no legislation to stop them. It will lead to violence. And so far to Mick and other Union leaders’ credits it’s been peaceful…
The first speaker asks if the RMT can continue as a fully staffed yet diminished role..crushing wages and pushing staff to lower their levels of safety...It will take one huge crash and loss of life to utter the usual words. "LESSONS WILL BE LEARNED"..We have heard it so many times with no result or consequence. Empty words. Mick Lynch is true to his word and it is powerful..he doesn't lie..the politicians do.
2 quick questions, who decides who has to break picket line, the employer or the secretary of state and 2) what happens when the organisation can't meet minimum service levels because the pool of available employees for that role have been fired due to the strike before this one?
Currently as the legislation is written, secretary of state makes the call on the companies advice as to who is necessary.
That is indeed the question. Most safety critical (business critical) roles take a minimum of 3 months to train. Drivers take nearly a year to train. If they sack everyone, it's a year before another service runs.
"crap pay UK" one of tory's pet idiocies, is biting back...now that tens of millions are experiencing poverty, with the vast majority of those victims being in work l
We need more workers rights in this country not less what we need is much better industrial relations and better wages. mick is quite right in what he says very matter of fact he calls a spade a spade.
This country is finished all I want to do is leave
Mick for PM
What an incompetent bunch of "ministers" we have. It is mind boggling listening to these union managers!
We the people need to standup against this tyranny !
Brilliant! What a master of his craft, and his colleagues as well,the committee is clueless and out of touch as ever, thinking they know stuff and they clearly don’t!😊
I had so much trouble understanding the Scottish fella, so I turned on the Closed Captions... They struggled even more than I did :D
Mick for PM! He has more brains in his little finger than the last four put together!
"Emergency workers might use public transport to get to work, so public transport can be considered essential too!"
Ok, but they also need to eat in order to work, so are restaurant and supermarket staff also now subject to this legislation since by the same logic emergency service workers who starve to death can't work? How about the transport workers, warehouse workers, farmers, packing plant workers, etc who form the supply chain?
I know the slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy for a reason but when it is being used to widen anti-strike laws it is fair game to be used in reply.
Weren't supermarket staff considered essential during the pandemic? I would argue they are indeed essential to a functioning society. As you quite rightly said, people need access to food.
So basically they are trying to re-locate what the US govt did to their train workforce. I wonder what other workforce in UK will get this treatment, Nurses, Drs, dentists, Highways Traffic service for motorways, Ambulance staff, porters, cleaners, and will they try civil servants
Surely we have had enough of meeting these committees they have had time to put their act together to offer solution's to put the Railways right?
Good on ya unions
We must rid ourselves of tory, permanently OR tory must permanently change its ways and its thinking.
They didn’t embarrass anybody, they simply showed that removing some of the ability to paralyse the country whenever they feel like it didn’t go down too well.
If only the railways, buses and the NHS had minimum service levels when there are NO strikes. They have all been wrecked by 13 years of toryism and their privateer cronies !
I think every MP who as been interviewed by the media, would in real life fail an interview for a job.
Instead of minimum wages, we need maximum pay. Let's keep it real
50 pence per hour should be enough for those conscripted. Right?
Lunacy
Why haven't all the unions got together and called a General Strike?!
Crime to plan one. Never mind call one
@@Mightypi Why?
@@rdh-daliasjb3796 Tory legislation.
@@vicsomeone All the more reason for it to happen: Soon!
Elected union *leaders* - not bosses. Bosses is a slur. They're 'bosses' of nothing. They are elected by the memebers.
Don't do their propaganda work for them.
Do I have to think of everything?
Mick Lynch for Prem 👍🏻👏🏻🇬🇧
...confrontation is the rule with the toff class. Perestroika is what's needed.
Mick Lynch nails it in his opening answer…..they won’t listen though
Always so impressive and on point Mick Lynch 😊 Pity he’s not PM 🎉
Mirrors wee bit, my thoughts in support of mental health addiction staff and individual's receiving care and treatment by said NHS services!
Never untill very recently did I, after eighteen years of mental health nursing think I would ever be asked by our unions to contemplate and decide to, vote to strike or NOT.
Madness really!
To be honest, posing the question to alot of staff, including me 'to stay in nursing or Not?'.
Very sad state of, union!
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are subtitles made available to those attending when Mr Newlands is talking ? it's not so much the accent as the mumbled words that he's racing to get out before any one of them can force one of his lips to move.
Yet again Mr Brereton demonstrates he's just wasting oxygen in the room.
Mick seems to be a popular name among union bosses.
15:05 look at the guy on the left 😂😂😂
Keep up the good work
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Tolpuddle... Subtle nods that he knows his history
YOU SHOULD BE ASKING the government! What JUSTIFIES THEM GETTING HUNDRED GRAND A YEAR FOR SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR AND THERE EXSPENSES ON TOP OF THAT? THIS MEATTING IS JUST TOO PUSH THE UNIONS THERTHER DOWEN LINE!.
If the unions can't unite and stand together what's the point of unions .
It appears the RMT are going to be the only Union without a pay settlement this century.
If it looks like a shit offer, smells like a shit offer...Guess what?
And, by the way, plenty of other unions are not crumbling to the Government and MSN bullshit narrative. Try and keep up...
Rishi Rich and his cycling and running police force is the best laugh I’ve had for a while. Especially the Benny Hill music to it.
Government's role should only be to protect the employees from any forcibly actions from the employer.
I can tell you this if they try to force this on workers and unions most of us that are in different industries and without unions and with unions will strike regardless on principle as this is undemocratic. I am on the side of the union F these Tories and their attempts to curtail our rights and privileges.
I met both MPs of Milton Keynes last year
They be out next election
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Unfortunately, they'll win again .
@@garyh1572 No they won't. They only reason they continue to get huge majorities is due to fptp. We need p.r. In 2017 it was close in 2019 brexit gave them all these, powers and the majority of sensible decent people have seen the light on that poisened chalice
@@bereal6590 Yeah,and they'll just install another poison chalice,in the form of Starmer and his tory lite party.Nothing is going to fucking change until more people stop allowing themselves to be taken for a ride from bastards who only have their own interests at heart and their corporate pay masters.
Thanks to the strikes theyl win again.
Wash rinse repeat
You've learnt nothing from the 1970s
It's amazing how Noroviras can spread around people who are conscripted to go to work.
No pay on a strike day, full pay if your sick.
Can't see me crossing a picket line, especially if I'm not feeling very well.
And consider the mental health implication if I was forced to cross a picket line, I could be off work for months.
I thought TUA 16 was bad. Now we're going nuts. Anti-union is the point. Scandalous.
If private companies weren't so greedy in maximising profits, by paying employees as little as they can get away with, there would be no strikes.
Mike lynch's interlect is heads and shoulders above all politicians bar Thatcher, Enoch and few
Don't call them "bosses", They're reps. They've even complained about being called "bosses" themselves.
Every mp have seen in these select committees is a disappointment.
Why is it then common practice for the prison service Officers to get told everyday to work even when its dangerous……they have no say and no redress…..
The Tories intruded the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act, and that made it illegal. Prison officers in Scotland have the right to strike, though
Is Mike Amesbury also Sam Allardyce, sounds just like him 😂
How the British workers know all about striking but little about actually working.
There is significantly more union activity around the issue of going on strike than encouraging their minions to work efficiently and to compete effectively against their foreign rivals.
NAA, LET'S CONCENTRATE ON STRIKING-STRIKING-STRIKING.
***MAN, MAN OH MAN**.
Unions don't have 'Bosses'
Just out of interest if people want to strike they will no matter what the law says , what are they going to do put them all in jail for refusing to work , as it proven recently if people stand together the powers behind the power run and hide behind a rock … if you have a valid point stand up they can do nothing . They can’t fill vacancies so the power at the moment could be with the working people .
Winging it
Yes, this proposed legislation and the Tories are reactionary.