The CZ 175-450 actually put out 9.5 HP at the drive sprocket and had 16 inch wheels. The Sportier CZ 175-470 version, which I once owned an example of until 2005, put out 10 HP and had 19 inch wheels. There was also a lightweight trial version of the CZ 175-470 Sport. The 1968 to 1981 CZ 175-477 Sport put out 14.5 HP and was fitted with a metal power restrictor pipe inside the airbox, inside the plenum chamber space. This pipe restricted the bike to 71 MPH in order to make it slower than the bigger Jawa 250-559, Jawa 250-562 and CZ 250-471 Sport. Derestricting of the CZ 175-477 Sport & CZ 175-482 Trail entails the removal and dismantling of the airfilter box, then unbolting the restrictor pipe retaining bolt located on the inside of the plenum chamber. Derestricted CZ 175-477 Sport and CZ 175-482 Trail bikes could achieve top speeds of over 80 MPH on leaded 4 star petrol, back in the day and many owners, including myself, did this upgrade.
Well their Trail bikes are legendary really which is why I show one Nice bit of retro cool Lots of people moan that the Honda isn’t in but the CZ is just more interesting
Echoes of my less than exciting early biking days...D14/4, Jawa twin port 250 (almost identical to that CZ), Francis Barnet Falcon, MZ 250..... almost makes me blush 😂
I had a Honda CD175, which was not fashionable, but it got me around. Two-up, the brakes were non-existent, and in heavy rain the spark plug caps would short, simultaneously cutting the engine out and electrocuting my legs. Happy times!
I started out with the twin-carbed CB175 version but at least a couple of mates had CD175s. My CB worked OK in the rain and was great ride to work and leisure transports. Later on, I bought a CD200 as a cheap hack, so my girlfriend had something to ride while we were waiting for Guzzi spares. As local transport, the CD200 was great fun to ride.
In 1977/78 I had a blue CD175. I came outside one morning to find that it was completely buried in snow, not a spec of blue to be seen. Before heading to the nearest phone box to call work, I decided just for fun to dig out the ignition switch and the kick start and prove I was 'off the road'.. Well I was gobsmacked when it started first kick as normal. I quickly unburied it and it kept going all the way to work, from Streatham in south London to Shaftesbury Avenue in the West End, I wasn't even late. I forgave it for being so unfashionable because it just always started first kick, like it was saying 'where you been I was waiting for you'. Apart from a new cam chain and slipping splines on the kick start it was completely reliable.
@@michaeldale6560 I had a blue CD175 as a ride to work bike, what I didn't like about it was the high/low beam switch was integral with the headlight switch which meant that sometimes when you wanted to dip the headlight you could end up switching it off altogether, otherwise, a good little bike.
Here in NSW we pronounced Puch as puk. They regularly blew head gaskets. A mate used the newly invented araldite as a jointing compound to solve the problem.
Puch motorcycles were rare in the UK, unlike their mopeds that were everywhere. Fan-cooled MS 50 variants were very stylish, but most wanted a Japanese 50.
Thanks for these interesting journeys into the past. I had a BSA D14/4 and later a CZ175. I never found the Bantam difficult to start but agree that it wasn't that reliable. It also had a habit of whiskering its spark plug if you pushed it too hard. The automatic oiling of the CZ was a huge convenience and it never let me down on the road and fitted with panniers I took it on several camping trips from the West Country to Wales. The combined kick start come gear change also doubled as a clutch so if you ever broke a clutch cable you could have still ridden the bike. CZ 's success in the ISDT speaks for itself.
CZ do seem to be looked down on by owners of Japanese bikes, very unfairly I feel ditto MZ. I think some people just see bikes as play things rather than serious transport
A nice selection. Over the years, I have owned all of these except the Kawa, its popularity meant that when ever one came up for sale there were always people waiting to buy it.
1970s CZ 125 and 175 were very odd looking bikes. The earlier round tank version was strange enough, having a short valance between the seat and side panels that only went half way. Later flat-sided CZs had a tank that appeared to tilt down at the front and a seat that looked like it sloped backwards, giving a bike that looked broken in the middle.
Back in 1969/70 I had an almost-new Bantam D14/4; personally, I never had any issues with starting it. The Jawa-CZ company produced very reliable machines; I owned a new Jawa 250 twin-port single in 1963-65 and a 1970 350 twin that I kept from '84 to 1999. I have a feeling that the CZ 175 was the same bike as the Jawa 250 & 350, but with the smaller engine installed. Nice to see the Puch; in 1962 a mate had a rather tasty Puch 250 SGS which, like their 175, was also a split-single.
I had a 250 SGS too. It was well made and had good performance. The downside was that the engine cooling was poor and after a few miles the engine would start to partially seize and had to be left for sometime to cool down before continuing. That was why it had to go!
@@davefoster543 I had an identical problem with the 250 Jawa, however, despite my initial thoughts being the same as yours, it wasn't a cooling problem. The real problem was the oil; the handbook said mix Castrol X100 at 20:1 but I experimented and settled on Filtrate, a black colloidal oil, made in Leeds. I used it at 33:1 and the bike never nipped-up, overheated or left a smoke-trail. An excellent oil, made by a company that had been around since since 1844; they stopped trading in 1973.
I had a 1970 Kawasaki F7 175 Was a great bike. With a bit of tuning I could race it in the 250 class, and it was competitive. Returned it to commuters duty and rode it 40k miles.
What about my favourite, the Honda CD 175 ? I had one when I bought a house, had two children and couldn't afford anything else. It was that or the MZ and I made the right choice. Fantastic piece of basic commuter wheels and reliable as Hondas are. Valanced mudguards, 4spd, single carb, kick start, 6v electrics, drum brakes. I still preferred it to the CB version. Took me to work and all over Berkshire and Dorset for years.
Well there a lot of 175s out there and they can’t all fit in one video So I went with interesting and unusual Putting predictable choices would have been a little dull for me It’s nice to feature machines some people may never heard of You can view a Honda in a video any day after all Hell I’ve done plenty of Honda videos myself
@@bikerdood1100 Well you certainly did that. I wasn't expecting you to have my suggestion on your list, I thought you wanted suggestions for something in the future. My bad
The only 175 I've ever been on was a mates Honda CB on a very foggy, November night back in the late 1970s. We went round a corner and lost the back wheel on a GPO manhole cover. You really know who your mares are when you need lumps of loose chippings pulling out of your backside.
Had a Bantam , a Tiger Cub, and an Ariel Golden sports Arrow, amongst other great 250cc bikes , I knew a lot of people who used the Bantams for computing to and from work 😀, if you want one now the prices are on the rise , interesting video thanks 😊
Had a mate with a KE175. It was hilarious. Don't remember the seat height as a problem (5ft 7). but then Yamaha gave us the DT175MX which was stunning. One for a second video?
My first bike was a Honda CD175. It was a reliable little machine but didn't like road markings. When I passed my test, I switched after a bit more than a year of running this bike, to a Triumph 3TA, which actually gave better fuel economy than the Honda. The only mechanical problems I had with the Honda were that the baffles fell out of the exhausts, which had to be replaced and there was originally an oil leak because the previous owner botched replacing a gasket. It was red and the paintwork was not very robust but it was an ideal bike for a learner back in the 1970s.
Here’s your German fan again. I would never complain about you pronouncing any German word in a British way. „Puch“ would be especially hard to pronounce, because the „ch“ is a fricative rarely used (if at all) in English language. Perhaps you want to try a Scottish accent, that might work.
In fairness it is an Austrian bike ultimately so the German pronunciation is of course correct Dam it Will always be a Puch rather that Pux to me however
@@bikerdood1100 well, people from abroad often mix Germany and Austria. It probably started when the Austrian Emperor started WW1 and afterwards blamed the German Kaiserreich (well it is not that simple I know, but you get the idea) later that century an Austrian guy named Schickelgruber took over Germanys Parlament with his party and called himself Hitler. Again, not that simple but maybe it’s the (or one) reason people keep confusing Germany and Austria.
in my youth l had a cz jawa 175, my best mate had a 200 tiger cub and another friend had a 150 honda benly, my 2 strike jawa would top out at 56 mph. my mates cub around 65 mph but the benly woud go over 80 never ever found out how much fast it could go as i ran out of road. the jawa would foul plugs often but l liked the fact of you broke a clutch cable you could still ride it, and if you took the baffles out, revved it up pulled the key out and pushed it back in just before it died, the backfire was louder than a shotgun.one time i was muchkng around with the points and the jawa started on me, l tried many many times to make that happen again in front of witnesses but never could, no one believed me
@@bikerdood1100 speedos are optimistic but it was the fastest of the 3 bikes, l had the slowest and thirstiest, and most expensive to run we never had 2 stroke oil in those days so i use to put in half a pint of sae 50 to a gallon of gas,
@@bikerdood1100 rather have a smokey pipe than a siezed engine, that was what the local dealer recommended as they had a reputation of piston siezing, either that or he had shares in bp, it was definitely more reliable than my next bike which was a10 year old bsa gold flash
@@bikerdood1100 one fact i did not know was honda cub stole jawas clutch technology,., though my 59 honda cubs clutch was auto my jawas was not but if the cable broke, it could still be ridden
Most enjoyable! My own 175 was a CD Honda I managed to f**k up very quickly indeed,youthful ignorance! How about 5 prototype Brit bikes from...oh,whenever!
1970 Honda CB175 OHC twin 360 deg crankshaft 10000 rpm redline electrics that works twin clocks, twin carbs all with an electric start whats not to like about that
Love Bantams. Sold one at school to a lad. He took it home in the school bus. Very happy days.
Love to have seen him loading the thing on the bus
The CZ 175-450 actually put out 9.5 HP at the drive sprocket and had 16 inch wheels. The Sportier CZ 175-470 version, which I once owned an example of until 2005, put out 10 HP and had 19 inch wheels. There was also a lightweight trial version of the CZ 175-470 Sport.
The 1968 to 1981 CZ 175-477 Sport put out 14.5 HP and was fitted with a metal power restrictor pipe inside the airbox, inside the plenum chamber space. This pipe restricted the bike to 71 MPH in order to make it slower than the bigger Jawa 250-559, Jawa 250-562 and CZ 250-471 Sport. Derestricting of the CZ 175-477 Sport & CZ 175-482 Trail entails the removal and dismantling of the airfilter box, then unbolting the restrictor pipe retaining bolt located on the inside of the plenum chamber. Derestricted CZ 175-477 Sport and CZ 175-482 Trail bikes could achieve top speeds of over 80 MPH on leaded 4 star petrol, back in the day and many owners, including myself, did this upgrade.
Well their Trail bikes are legendary really which is why I show one
Nice bit of retro cool
Lots of people moan that the Honda isn’t in but the CZ is just more interesting
Echoes of my less than exciting early biking days...D14/4, Jawa twin port 250 (almost identical to that CZ), Francis Barnet Falcon, MZ 250..... almost makes me blush 😂
Less exciting
It’s the roads and places that make a ride exciting I think
I had a Honda CD175, which was not fashionable, but it got me around. Two-up, the brakes were non-existent, and in heavy rain the spark plug caps would short, simultaneously cutting the engine out and electrocuting my legs. Happy times!
I started out with the twin-carbed CB175 version but at least a couple of mates had CD175s.
My CB worked OK in the rain and was great ride to work and leisure transports.
Later on, I bought a CD200 as a cheap hack, so my girlfriend had something to ride while we were waiting for Guzzi spares.
As local transport, the CD200 was great fun to ride.
Late 70's a mate had a Yam DT 175 and I a Honda CB 175. We tried hard to keep up with our mates on Suzuki GT 250 & Yam RD 250's, never could.
Remember them well good sold bikes
Quite large for a 175 I have to say
In 1977/78 I had a blue CD175. I came outside one morning to find that it was completely buried in snow, not a spec of blue to be seen. Before heading to the nearest phone box to call work, I decided just for fun to dig out the ignition switch and the kick start and prove I was 'off the road'.. Well I was gobsmacked when it started first kick as normal. I quickly unburied it and it kept going all the way to work, from Streatham in south London to Shaftesbury Avenue in the West End, I wasn't even late. I forgave it for being so unfashionable because it just always started first kick, like it was saying 'where you been I was waiting for you'. Apart from a new cam chain and slipping splines on the kick start it was completely reliable.
@@michaeldale6560 I had a blue CD175 as a ride to work bike, what I didn't like about it was the high/low beam switch was integral with the headlight switch which meant that sometimes when you wanted to dip the headlight you could end up switching it off altogether, otherwise, a good little bike.
I really liked all of them. Each had their own special engineering that made them unique. Thanks for sharing these great little bikes. Cheers
Glad you enjoyed this one
I remember from the 60s that some of my friends found 175cc cylinders that fitted the 125cc SACHS Tempo MCs! That was wild stuff at the time!
Brilliant
Here in NSW we pronounced Puch as puk. They regularly blew head gaskets. A mate used the newly invented araldite as a jointing compound to solve the problem.
As I say it’s the German pronunciation
Of cause as English we never like to pronounce things correctly
Like Americans in that respect 😂
Puch motorcycles were rare in the UK, unlike their mopeds that were everywhere. Fan-cooled MS 50 variants were very stylish, but most wanted a Japanese 50.
@@borderlands6606 well not the Maxi
They sold in quite good numbers
Thanks for these interesting journeys into the past. I had a BSA D14/4 and later a CZ175. I never found the Bantam difficult to start but agree that it wasn't that reliable. It also had a habit of whiskering its spark plug if you pushed it too hard. The automatic oiling of the CZ was a huge convenience and it never let me down on the road and fitted with panniers I took it on several camping trips from the West Country to Wales. The combined kick start come gear change also doubled as a clutch so if you ever broke a clutch cable you could have still ridden the bike. CZ 's success in the ISDT speaks for itself.
CZ do seem to be looked down on by owners of Japanese bikes, very unfairly I feel ditto MZ. I think some people just see bikes as play things rather than serious transport
A nice selection. Over the years, I have owned all of these except the Kawa, its popularity meant that when ever one came up for sale there were always people waiting to buy it.
Dam it 😂
1970s CZ 125 and 175 were very odd looking bikes. The earlier round tank version was strange enough, having a short valance between the seat and side panels that only went half way. Later flat-sided CZs had a tank that appeared to tilt down at the front and a seat that looked like it sloped backwards, giving a bike that looked broken in the middle.
They were very blocky
A shame as earlier models were very stylish
Another great review mate, brings back lovely memories of my first bike a d5 125 bantam in 1971 quickly followed by a Honda cd175.Great days.👍
Thanks
Back in 1969/70 I had an almost-new Bantam D14/4; personally, I never had any issues with starting it. The Jawa-CZ company produced very reliable machines; I owned a new Jawa 250 twin-port single in 1963-65 and a 1970 350 twin that I kept from '84 to 1999. I have a feeling that the CZ 175 was the same bike as the Jawa 250 & 350, but with the smaller engine installed. Nice to see the Puch; in 1962 a mate had a rather tasty Puch 250 SGS which, like their 175, was also a split-single.
Puch is certainly a very interesting machine
I had a 250 SGS too. It was well made and had good performance. The downside was that the engine cooling was poor and after a few miles the engine would start to partially seize and had to be left for sometime to cool down before continuing. That was why it had to go!
@@davefoster543 I had an identical problem with the 250 Jawa, however, despite my initial thoughts being the same as yours, it wasn't a cooling problem. The real problem was the oil; the handbook said mix Castrol X100 at 20:1 but I experimented and settled on Filtrate, a black colloidal oil, made in Leeds. I used it at 33:1 and the bike never nipped-up, overheated or left a smoke-trail. An excellent oil, made by a company that had been around since since 1844; they stopped trading in 1973.
I had a 1970 Kawasaki F7 175
Was a great bike. With a bit of tuning I could race it in the 250 class, and it was competitive.
Returned it to commuters duty and rode it 40k miles.
Nice
What about my favourite, the Honda CD 175 ? I had one when I bought a house, had two children and couldn't afford anything else. It was that or the MZ and I made the right choice. Fantastic piece of basic commuter wheels and reliable as Hondas are. Valanced mudguards, 4spd, single carb, kick start, 6v electrics, drum brakes. I still preferred it to the CB version. Took me to work and all over Berkshire and Dorset for years.
Well there a lot of 175s out there and they can’t all fit in one video
So I went with interesting and unusual
Putting predictable choices would have been a little dull for me
It’s nice to feature machines some people may never heard of
You can view a Honda in a video any day after all
Hell I’ve done plenty of Honda videos myself
@@bikerdood1100 Well you certainly did that. I wasn't expecting you to have my suggestion on your list, I thought you wanted suggestions for something in the future. My bad
@@MrRunner well in all honesty I usually have planned well in advance
The only 175 I've ever been on was a mates Honda CB on a very foggy, November night back in the late 1970s. We went round a corner and lost the back wheel on a GPO manhole cover. You really know who your mares are when you need lumps of loose chippings pulling out of your backside.
Manhole covers
My favourite
I know that feeling
My brothers c.b 175 was a fine bike ,how could they get so .much power out of it,shocked me I can tell you,compared to other 175s very impressed .
Big old beasts though
Had a Bantam , a Tiger Cub, and an Ariel Golden sports Arrow, amongst other great 250cc bikes , I knew a lot of people who used the Bantams for computing to and from work 😀, if you want one now the prices are on the rise , interesting video thanks 😊
They were so common at one time
Now pricey
A pity really
Never heard of the split single.
Look it up
It’s a bit of a head scratcher
NSU supercharged GP bikes of the late 30s are probably the best known
Had a mate with a KE175. It was hilarious. Don't remember the seat height as a problem (5ft 7). but then Yamaha gave us the DT175MX which was stunning. One for a second video?
Covered I think in an off road bike video
My first bike was a Honda CD175. It was a reliable little machine but didn't like road markings. When I passed my test, I switched after a bit more than a year of running this bike, to a Triumph 3TA, which actually gave better fuel economy than the Honda. The only mechanical problems I had with the Honda were that the baffles fell out of the exhausts, which had to be replaced and there was originally an oil leak because the previous owner botched replacing a gasket. It was red and the paintwork was not very robust but it was an ideal bike for a learner back in the 1970s.
Narrow tyres
Here’s your German fan again. I would never complain about you pronouncing any German word in a British way. „Puch“ would be especially hard to pronounce, because the „ch“ is a fricative rarely used (if at all) in English language. Perhaps you want to try a Scottish accent, that might work.
No likely 😂
Only as a comedy accent
In fairness it is an Austrian bike ultimately so the German pronunciation is of course correct
Dam it
Will always be a Puch rather that Pux to me however
@@bikerdood1100 well, people from abroad often mix Germany and Austria. It probably started when the Austrian Emperor started WW1 and afterwards blamed the German Kaiserreich (well it is not that simple I know, but you get the idea) later that century an Austrian guy named Schickelgruber took over Germanys Parlament with his party and called himself Hitler. Again, not that simple but maybe it’s the (or one) reason people keep confusing Germany and Austria.
@@bikerdood1100 still would love to hear that 🥸
in my youth l had a cz jawa 175, my best mate had a 200 tiger cub and another friend had a 150 honda benly, my 2 strike jawa would top out at 56 mph. my mates cub around 65 mph but the benly woud go over 80 never ever found out how much fast it could go as i ran out of road. the jawa would foul plugs often but l liked the fact of you broke a clutch cable you could still ride it, and if you took the baffles out, revved it up pulled the key out and pushed it back in just before it died, the backfire was louder than a shotgun.one time i was muchkng around with the points and the jawa started on me, l tried many many times to make that happen again in front of witnesses but never could, no one believed me
Well his clock would say 80
Or maybe he did but Honda 150s were never that far when measured
@@bikerdood1100 speedos are optimistic but it was the fastest of the 3 bikes, l had the slowest and thirstiest, and most expensive to run we never had 2 stroke oil in those days so i use to put in half a pint of sae 50 to a gallon of gas,
@@debeeriz that might explain some of the performance
Must have smoked like a steam engine
@@bikerdood1100 rather have a smokey pipe than a siezed engine, that was what the local dealer recommended as they had a reputation of piston siezing, either that or he had shares in bp, it was definitely more reliable than my next bike which was a10 year old bsa gold flash
@@bikerdood1100 one fact i did not know was honda cub stole jawas clutch technology,., though my 59 honda cubs clutch was auto my jawas was not but if the cable broke, it could still be ridden
Most enjoyable! My own 175 was a CD Honda I managed to f**k up very quickly indeed,youthful ignorance! How about 5 prototype Brit bikes from...oh,whenever!
Nice suggestion
Thanks once again bikerdood
No worries
Just glad you enjoy them
It will always be Pooch & how can we have a 175 list without the Honda CD175 on it?
Easy
There other makes than Honda
CD was a big old bus of a thing I have to say
Being a big old bus is what made it so good. @@bikerdood1100
I not sure if you've done large two strokes from the 70's ? H2, GT750 etc.......
Of course
One on 3 cylinder Two strokes covers the biggies
Ah yes. Found it. Great 'series' you're making here. Love 'em !!!
I had a Suzuki PE175, it was a fantastic bike with a nasty powerband, it really flew.
Although nasty 😂
1970 Honda CB175 OHC twin 360 deg crankshaft 10000 rpm redline electrics that works twin clocks, twin carbs all with an electric start whats not to like about that
Can’t include every bike
It’s not a top 5 now is it
I have a 1955 moto morini 175 gt great bike
Covered the 125 recently