congratulations on your 1st of many. your videos have introduced me to 40k and i plan to read a 40k book next. the lore's great, and your videos are the best Ive seen
Yeah there is only around 1,000,000 Astartes in the Galaxy... probably a bunch more now that Guilliman woke up his Astartes+ but that's still just a handful Super-Soldiers per Imperial planet.
There’s also the fact that in the trillions of guardsmen and officers there are a massive number of people who could be crazy protagonist types like Creed
They don't have a choice. The weight is always plopped onto them. Space Marines only come to lift it off them, but without the guard, the space marines would very quickly be overwhelmed.
A note on Space Marines - the oldest living loyalist Space Marine was a Salamander named Gravius, who was ten thousand years old when he died on Scoria. He was an immobile husk kept alive only by his determination to watch over his dead brothers, and was granted the Emperor's Peace by the apothecary who found him.
@@kylehughes1619 if we went by the scientifc defintion of life if the way your trying to apply it then most people over 50 or impotent people would not be considered alive. If your talking about living in a metaphorical sense well there is no defintion for that. And even then he seemed to be keeping bussy.
You made Tau in the top 10, and explained it wasn’t their current level or size, but for their potential for progress being almost as limitless as the Tyranids hive fleets. Kudos and thank you for sharing your perspective with the community!
Thats not what he said, he said they are more powerful but for there size not that they are at the 10 spot because of the potential, they could be number one if they can grow and learn faster travel
One correction I would make, the Tyranids can totally move faster than light. They actually bend and fold space to their destination covering the 90% of the distance almost instantly, but then the next 10% is incredibly slow, since at that time they can only do speed of light. This is because their navigation isn't exactly pinpoint, they know the approximate location of what they are going towards, so they don't want to overshoot where they are going, so they get a certain distance away and then stop bending space to fly to it.
It would not make sense that an extragalactic alien spent all that time in intergalactic space that light-speed would require, to go between galaxies (it takes 2.5 million years at light speed to go from andromeda to milky way, for example.)
In one novel the eldar farseer takes a look at the Tyranids over mind and sees it's true form wrapped around the higher dimensions. It's actual form was larger than galaxies. It's an immortal god like consciousness that control dozens of galaxies worth of bio mass simultaneously.
I believe there was an Imperial... Ffs, I can't remember the names, he was like a priest but also some flavor of psyker, who was involved in a tyrannid siege where a trap was laid using a special substance naturally-occuring on the planet that could immediately dissolve them if they charged into it. And for a few moments, they halted, in unison, and just sat stock-still, except for one gaunt at the front, that started cautiously observing the moat of liquid. And then it looked up and made eye contact with the imperial, who looked into its eyes for a few moments, and apparently his extensive mental and spiritual training was the only thing that kept him from going insane from the magnitude of the presence he found looking back at him through the lowly gaunt's eyes. He reflexively bolted its eye out which just caused the entire swarm to resume its attack and fortunately fall for the trap.
@@emperorkiron3470 I believe Weshammer himself covered it in a video titled something like "5 reasons why the Tyranids are terrifying", or "even more terrifying than you'd think". I think my favorite scary thing in the lore is actually something that is as much of a meme as it is potentially horrifying. In the most secure lock-up in the Imperium, in a cell chamber that has essentially every security measure possible... Is what appears to be absolutely nothing. On some edge world, there were mysterious disappearances and brutal deaths (even for 40k) caused by something that left absolute no trace. No tracks, no body matter, no warp presence, nothing. Somehow... It got captured... Or at least so they think; iirc, there is only one thing that ever actually verified something was present, but the reason why others believed it was real was because it had the normal instinctual affects on people; feeling like you're being watched, feeling like there's something breathing down your neck, etc. That is how people were convinced something was actually there. The only problem is... Whatever had caused this destruction could apparently either pass through the warp so seemlessly it left no trace, or it could physically phase through matter, and it didn't seem to interact with the electromagnetic spectrum in any conventional way, so even shielding may not have an affect on it. But as far as anyone can tell, even if just by the strange feeling they get... It appears to just be staying in that lock-up. And they don't know if any of the security measures would even hold it. Meaning... If there really is something there, it may be staying there willingly. For some unknown reason. Some people think it is like a lone, rogue, freakish super-strain of a chameleon/stealth Tyranid, somehow able to do more than just be invisible. Others (which I just love), think it is an actual Purple Ork. Something that supposedly does exist but nobody can actually see, let alone prove. Lol
There's a fun quote from an older necron codex that goes as follows - "What the Imperium cannot know is that, should the Necrons ever fully wake and unite, they would face a foe as numerous as themselves. For now, the Imperium has had but a taste of the Necrons’ might, and it is fortunate for Mankind that the Necrons remain divided by madness and conflicting agendas. However, these are but the first stumbling steps of a giant as it gathers pace, and even now powerful leaders like Anrakyr the Traveler, Imotekh the Stormlord and the Silent King are uniting their people under a common cause in order to reestablish the Infinite Empire" - Codex Necrons, 7'th ed, The Necron Dynasties. This is to say that the size of the nascent reawakening necron dynasties is utterly massive
yeah but the most super Badass dangerous faction in 40k is ALWAYS the one they are talking about at the moment...... but I do think if even half of all were awake & functional the empire, tau &, elves would all get wipes out- the old one, elves & krork couldn't defeat the Necrons & C'tan, the Necrons DID defeat the unbroken C'tan and now their shards are used for batteries & weapons, they have better tech than the elves, FTL travel without relying on the warp or broken webway and in the long-term the tyranids will learn to avoid them because they aren't food..... unless the orks evolve back into krorks and enough are eaten by the nids to make them want to fight Necrons because the Old Ones made the Krork for fighting necrons
You forgot a really important factor: the Tyranids CAN travel faster than the speed of light. They have a specific ship, called the Narvhal, which allows them to manipulate gravity to construct tunnels through spacetime and move in ftl. Their recent victory on Octarius relied on them moving ships between planets fast, eating the less defended Ork worlds and then bringing the reinforcements to the main tussle on Octaria. They may not use the Warp to do it, but neither do the Necrons (though the metal boys' way is faster).
@@weshammer That's how they even got into the galaxy to begin with. If they just flew it would take them billions of years just to get here, but they bend space to get most of the way to the galaxy, and then travel the rest of the way by flying through space slowly, because they can't just tunnel in directly, as this would probably destroy them and anything that they were trying to get to.
@@jamesleon4883 sadly only the last 10,000 have they really been directing a large portion of the swarm our way. Basically since the use and I believe destruction of a Psychic Beacon in the realm of Ultramar during the Horus Heresy (sorry forget the name)
I always like to think of the tyranids as an anti chaos weapon from another galaxy. Like they supresse the warp, and counter each aspect of chaos. There is no change if all is nids, there is not blood or war after the nids win, there is no pestilence if all is nids and there is no excess as nids don't want for anything, they are single minded.
They are a weapon, but I don’t think they’re anti-chaos, I think they’re Anti-Aeldari and Anti-Ork. There is lore to support that the Silent King created the Tyranids while he was in exile outside of the Galaxy during the Necron’s big nap, and he created the Tyranids as the perfect counter to the Necron’s foes, the Orks and Eldar. The Orks and limitless but disorganized, the Eldar are few but psychic and evasive, so the bugs are limitless like Orks, but organized as hell because of the Hive mind, and they block out the Warp and can’t be sensed coming to be fled from. They only eat biomass so they will leave the Necrons alone, and then when all the other life is gone the Necrons can use the Tyranids as a genetically engineered host species to return to flesh-and-blood life as the owners of the Galaxy.
Viewed from another perspective, Tyranids embody change (as one of their defining characteristics is that they are constantly evolving and adapting to face every new threat), they only know bloodshed and killing (they are built for nothing else), they are themselves a galactic plague (self-replicating, parasitic, rapidly evolving... they have been referred to as a plague by many Imperial characters), and their appetite is rather excessive; single-mindedness is not an anti-Slaaneshi trait, it is in fact Slaaneshi in its essence (the pitfall of Slaanesh comes when you are so focused on achieving perfection in one thing - be it painting, swordfighting, or in the case of 'nids, devouring the galaxy - that you let everything else fall by the wayside). It's also worth noting that the Tyranids are unable to consume Daemons (Daemons being made out of raw warp stuff and not physical matter), which means in a war of attrition vs. Chaos, the Tyranids lose since they lose the ability to self-replicate and would eventually run out of bugs, while Daemons are theoretically infinite because they are functionally immortal and will respawn in the warp forever unless their spirit essence is destroyed (and there are only a couple things in the whole galaxy that can do that).
Ya I mean there is lore saying multiple differrnt things from, they were created, to as said in this video that they destroyed other galaxies, to what we are seeing is them running from something else.
Oh ya I can see other perspectives. This is just my personal fan cannon / theory. If the nids could attack the warp directly they would lose. But if they kill all sentient life would the immatirum then stop existing. Since nids actively suppress it and are only one very large soul at most.
Honestly, something that might be a pretty interesting development, is if all the factions united against the Tyranid. That the thought of total extinction for all sides, might unite them just long enough to deal with the Tyranid. Hell Im pretty certain if you told an Ork Warboss that "YOU NO LONGA GET TO DO DA STOMPEN" they might actually think about it lol
@@DionMango 🤣🤣lucky that wasnt the point being addressed then lol. The statement was 'chaos cannot die' and the answer is: "uh yes they definitely can..."
The main strength of the nyds is their adaptability. A great example is their anti chaos hive fleet. They don't like to fight chaos because demons and warp entities have no biomass but after the great rift opened and a lot of warp stuff came out they designed this hive fleet. They go to a place where chaos is and fight them, once the fight is done they go to a place where another hive fleet wiped out the defenders and replenish their biomass. I think there is a story of a imperium fleet fighting a chaos fleet and this hive fleet coming out of nowhere and started attacking the chaos fleet completely ignoring the imperium's one.
Just a heads up, all Orks (and for that matter Krorks) were "Pre-programmed" genetically by the Old Ones to perform tasks within their society, even 60 million years on this still holds true. mekboyz were pre-programmed as mechanics, speed sreaks were most likely pilots, etc. In fact in some instances in some books that feature orks, some mekboyz go into this weird "trancelike" explanation of what they're doing and why. Like a full on, almost encyclopedic reading of the physics pertaining to their task and they have no idea why. It's super freaky.
@@JH-fd9xt Sorta? Their psychic ability is extremely weak, individually, but as a collective all the little weak points add up into a glaring signal flare. And basically all the shared beliefs become reality via this collective psychic presence. In other words, they all believe their guns work and since there are so many orcs present that belief becomes reality. But their guns are just wooden boxes full of nails.
@@JH-fd9xt enough orks have to believe it to be really true, but yes, they actually can and it's amazing. There's a theory that states that the Emperor is still here because the orks really thinks he's some kind of god.
They're one large superfungus organism. Collective memory. You could also argue they all correspond to the different parts of a fungus, which is why they have predisposed directions of expertise.
The tyranids do have a hive fleet that is an anomaly amongst the rest of the hive fleets and splinter fleets. Hive fleet Tiamat has been actively defending a system of planets, cultivating the world’s ecosystem, instead of completely devouring it. In addition to cultivating the planet, they have also constructed a massive bioform that is pretty much a giant tower, that might be acting as a signal beacon for the main fleet.
That sounds like that the Milkyway is really the last living galaxy and therefore the Hivemind came to the conclusion that agriculture is needed to survive as a whole.
@@Mandred85 That might be, but that idea is contradicted by the fact that all other fleets are rampaging as per normal. I do indeed like that they expanded upon the hivemind and characterized it as more like a sentient hungering supercomputer directing swarms of drones. however, this observation of conservation only proves that all fleets do not act under a single directive. Frankly, if i were in the Imperium, id be shitting bricks. This divergence is highly disturbing. it could mean there is something so powerful that the tyranids cant overcome it, but are suppressing it. My first guess would be a new hive form so dangerous, its existence was meant to be secret. Grooming the world was a means of camouflaging the tyranids presence. That or a super weapon the hive mind recognized as capable of wiping the galaxy clean. possibly a "halo ring" like device left by the old ones as a trump card.
Tyranids do have faster than light travel, but when they enter a gravity well of a solar system they are forced out of it. This leads to them having to foot slog the rest of the to the planet, which generally gives the planet 2-5 years to set to defend. Usually the shadow in the warp keeps it so they can’t get reinforcements.
That doesn't really make sense to me since gravity travels outward infinitely from all massive objects at the speed of light and the galaxy IS a gravity well.
@@weshammer you are like another Luetin09 with vid length and soothing voice yet I feel a bit more excitement w/o it being overwhelming like the shorts can. I'm gonna be there for any collabs that happen.
@@weshammer choas gods are not that powerful they are not universe level they're only planet level there is no evidence of them destroying any universes they just sit in their throne and do nothing and yet they lose to the imperium plus chaos gods need the belief and warp energy to survive without the influence of others or the belief of other races they will starve to death and die because warp energy is like water they can control water but they cannot destroy water.
I personally would have the Top 3 as 1: Necrons 2: Orks 3: Tyranids The main reason why I have the Nids lower then the other two groups is A: The Necrons are a hard counter to the Nids, in every way and B: The Orks have an easier time repopulating, due to them not needing biomass to spread.
Personally I would still rank the nids higher than orks since the nids could at any moment have a full attack force arrive and outnumber the orks, Eldar, men, and Tau a million to one if everything we have seen is truly only a scout fleet
@@jakerittenhouse273 the "nothing but a scout fleet" is just a theory still. Octarious has shown Orks can put up a good fight against nids. Also scorch earth strategy and hybrid tau-human tactics have been efficient (not mentioning also the virus Tau created against them). Nothing of what I mentioned works against Orks.
If the Events of Octarius prove anything orks and Nids are very close to even in power (yes I’m aware the bugs have gotten the upper hand currently but that will probably change)
The thing is, while they're both great at replenishing their ranks, Orks still need their weapons and ramshackle tech to reach their peak, whereas the tyranids are born ready to slice, shoot and explode things. In a full on war the Orks would gradually lose materials as tyranid acid would slowly but surely burn through whatever metals they can salvage, and despite how it appears, dakka isn't infinite.
This is what makes 40k so great. All factions are unimaginably powerful with the potential to annihilate all others yet simultaneously fail to do so for so many reasons. A perfect balance of power and the inability to use it effectively
Just want to say thank you for making these videos. I used to play 40k way back in the day when those creepy bug looked way different and now I'm finally getting back into it and I want to pick up a few books and stuff but these are helping me out a lot so thank you
Well done. Great video. I would agree with almost all of your ranking. Your explanations of their strengths and weakness' and why these put each faction at it's rank is pretty great.
Love the fact your addressing lore that nobody else has made a video of this quality about before, your narration is great, your passion is obvious and your knowledge is impressive, nice work bro
Thanks! I'm still brand new to this, so Im doing my best to make the content as high quality as I can. Means I have to stop every 5 minutes to look up an editing tutorial, but I think I'm making good progress 😅
@@weshammer I'm not sure if you've done your research on other 40k lore youtubers, but your easily my second favourite behind luetin09 , look forward to more in depth videos like this one
@@weshammer choas gods are not that powerful they are not universe level they're only planet level there is no evidence of them destroying any universes they just sit in their throne and do nothing and yet they lose to the imperium plus chaos gods need the belief and warp energy to survive without the influence of others or the belief of other races they will starve to death and die because warp energy is like water they can control water but they cannot destroy water.
The Tyranids have another weakness: They can't really deal with multiple different strategies at the same time. For example, Space Marines and Craftworld Eldar or Imperial Guardsman and Necrons, they can't multitask when it comes to specific battles Edit: Nevermind I was wrong. Ignore this comment
I’ve always personally had the head-cannon that the Necron super-weapons that were too bad to be allowed to exist were the Halo rings, and the Orks are basically the Flood.
@@manofculture4938 The Celestial Orrery, which can detonate every single star in the galaxy if you wanted to, resulting not only the destruction of all organic life, but the entirety of the galaxy, and there will be no hope of reseeding life into the galaxy like the Forerunners did, because the galaxy would be utterly uninhabitable. The Breath of the Gods, a temporal manipulating machine used to siphon star energies through time, if weaponised it has the potential to wipe out the timeline, thus making the entire universe cease to exist.
Once had a guy walk past a game I was having and he said "eww tau" and without looking up I said "eww neckbeard" then when I looked up he actually had one.😂 Shut him up pretty quickly
With Celestial Orrery being kept around as a "relatively safe" weapon of mass destruction, I assume Necrons offered Silent King an actual campaign IWIN button.
In my head, the Tyranids entirely consumed all life in Adromeda, and then, with no further biomass to consume, they went into hibernation. Then at the end of the Horus Heresy daddy’s very special boy set off a giant signal flare that woke the bugs up and showed them which direction the food was in. It took them about 10,000 years for them to make the trip and boom they show up right on time for 40K. The Lore also suggest that The Silent King either discovered or created the Tyranids during his exile while the Necrons were sleeping.
The Silent King creating the Tyranids is just a fan theory. The Silent King discovered the Tyranids during his exile and realized that if they aren't dealt with the Necrons won't be able to turn back into the Necrontyr, as the Tyranids will just eat all of the biomass making it impossible to turn back and if they were to turn back before Tyranids were defeated they would fall prey to the Tyranids.
@@captaincapsaicin1319 , I don't remember which one of the many lore people I listen to, but one of them raised an important fact: This little tidbit was leaked while Game Workshop was working on new Necron Models.... It is entirely possible the line is meant to relate to one of the new Units that the Necron received recently, and not the whole of the Tyranid. As I do not have the time to do research, in transit at the moment, I can't pull out the exact unit in question and the quotes that go along with it but they did line up. The silent king working on a new Unit to help strip the Galaxy has a lot less problems then suddenly making the Tyranids a Necron sub-faction....
@Omnissiah That unforutenly is a bit tricky as it was in space outside all galaxies, We know it started after the War in Heaven, and ending with the discovery of the Tyranids. If you are asking for a book or codex entry for reference I don't know which. Got this info from Adeptus Ridiculous.
The only thing I would really swap is Crons above Nids. The Crons have no biomass for the Nids to consume, and they can disintegrate their enemies so the Nids can't consume their own fallen for regeneration. Many of the Cron's super-super weapons were dismantled, but that doesn't mean they can't rebuild them. While the Nids could rapidly evolve biologically to fight the Crons, the Crons could rapidly evolve technologically to fight the Nids, and their current tech allows them to fuss with time at a whim, so that being their starting point one could only imagine what they're capable of. Also Crons don't really use the warp iirc, so the Shadow in the Warp wouldn't affect them. I understand that this vid is about the big picture, so that changes the math as it's not necessarily about a straight 1v1. I just think that, obviously, the Nids would be a huge threat to the Crons, but if the boney bois could hold their own vs the bugs, they could probably hold their own against anyone. Anyways, cheers.
but the cron are fractured af, unless the silent king decided to come back and rule once more. not to mention quite a large amount of them are still asleep
I think the reason it's done is the necrons have no way to reproduce. Even if killing one is hard, the Tyr have endless reproduction abilities, even if they are disintegrated. If this hive mind figures out what's what, it wouldn't be too crazy to begin to harvest orcs and using them like cattle to fuel an unending tide. I do agree the necrons are super strong against tyr, but in a war of attrition, the necrons I think would lose out
I don’t think Crons can innovate anymore, but even so their tech is probably already good enough Nids can evolve but we know every Nid has a basic form and standard, for example the Humble meatshield the Hormagaunt, we see every Hivefleet use it with buffs of the different hivefleet adaptations, so Tyranids might need the effort of a new hivefleet to effectively counter crons
Glad you're seeing the fruition of your effort here on youtube. I really enjoy your fresh and lighthearted take on 40k that isn't too grim, or to dark. Keep up the great work, I'll definitely keep watching.
I am so happy I got into warhammer when I did, it allowed me to watch Weshammer grow as a youtuber/channel such a great informative channel deserves it.
My favorite detail about the Orks is that they've basically turned Commisar Yarrick into a demigod. They believe he's an unkillable badass who mows down entire legions of Orks with ease, so that's exactly what he's become.
I'm just happy that the Tau showed up at all. I was honestly expecting them to be left out. Heres an idea for a video. Maybe you can tell us about some of the destroyed empires and extinct species in the 40K galaxy? The Diasporex, the Rangdan, the Tarellians or my favorite, the Interex. I feel like you could do a whole video on the empires that are no longer players on the galactic stage.
The rangdan are an interesting race. Took shit tons of dark angels and other legions to kill them. Its possible that they might have responsible for the 2 lost legions.
I could get behind this and if you want an organized list of idea for obscure xeno civilizations capable of interplanetary travel, let me know. I have a few notes.
So if the orcs outnumber humanity 1,000 to 1 and we say even as high as 20% of humans serve, where as 100% of orks fight, thats 1.5 quadrillion, or 20 million earths of soldiers. So if every human in the state of New York was instead a full planet of 7.5 billion orks, thats how many orks soldiers exist.
I hate that GW gets numbers stupidly low or high. There is no way the imperium can exist with 1m astartes against that many Orks and "at least" double of that amount of Tyranids.
@@jorgeserna8411 its kinda crazy. Such numbers start to lose meaning, you may as well say 'infinite' One of the issues I do have with WH40k as a whole is that everything is so ridiculously hopeless that the overall objectives seem futile. You can't fight against infinite amounts of foes for eternity without the point of it all becoming meaningless. I mean it's great for a tabletop wargame, but as a narrative it's pretty soul crushing.
that was 45min of enjoyment for me, your way in explaining things is both precise, entertaining and educative about the lore, didn't saw the time flies at all, keep it like that man ^^
The one thing I would note about the Mechanicum is that even though innovation is heresy, if you couch your "innovation" as "discovery of lost knowledge", they'll look the other way. Oh, that more powerful lasgun on the tank? Yeah, actually if you look at the scriptures, it was always meant to be designed that way!
Thanks! It's going to sound really nerdy, but the best way to be unbiased is to genuinely love and find every single element of 40K lore fascinating. Maybe it's the adhd, but every time I read about something new I'm like " Welp, this is my new favorite thing" 😅
So happy how high the imperial guard got on this list and that the Tau empire made it on here two of my favorite factions! and how you explain each faction because I learned allot about Warhammer that I didn't know about. Love your content! You're great!
Thank you for telling us which novels you are sourcing your info and putting it's cover art on the screen. I think it will really help people get deeper into the lore by giving them good starting points into areas they find interesting. You are doing a great job helping the community.
I never really grasped the lore before finding your channel, I think what got me hooked was that TikTok you made showing your love for the Chaos legions. Love the content!
Question within the lore, is there a way to stop the Tyranids or is there a force out there actively trying to fight them and get everyone else to realise?
A certain Nekron King thinks of them as the biggest threat to their byo ressurection, but other then that only on the local lvl. EoM, Tau, Eldar and even Nekrons are known to have short alliences in the face of a bigger threat, so there is a chance for them to do smth on realization, and Orks enjoy fignting Nyds but they fight everybody. Dunno about chaos. As it stands now though, everyone have their own share of problems with each other.
I’m pretty sure the necrons are the most worried about the tyranids but I’m pretty sure they basically counter them since all the tyranids want is more mass and unless I’m mistaken the necron guns can destroy the mass and the tyranids can’t exactly consume a necron since they are metal and can just phase back to a tomb world
Their obvious weakness being that because it's all just one giant organism, if something were to infect it, the whole or a huge part of the tyranids could completely get wiped out. It's like a giant, unsecured network of hosts.
I heard orks can stop a tyranid fleet and at least do a stalemate irks and Tyra id's just getting stronger off each other now stop but not gai ing ground
Congratulations on the sponsorship!! Nice ad too 😌 thanks for the great analysis on these factions, always loved your 40k content from memes to lore info
You forgot something about this chaos space Marines all of them are dangerous brutal veterans are one of the most dangerous walls to ever consume the Galaxy
@Aditya Kumar singh thank you on the correction let's not forget that the warp also probably added some time on to the battles they've had it's probably more than 10,000 years has passed for them or less
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30 trillion is 4000 times more people than currently live on earth. 4,000 earths of soldiers. Also that is 30 million soldiers per space marine, so yeah no matter how badass a space marine is they ain't shit compared to the regular joes.
This is a great list, and I agree with it entirely at this point honestly (even though my two favourite factions are ranked on the lower end lmao). The thing I say about the Tau is that, they are not going to conquer the galaxy. They're too small, and it's really too late for them to be able to conquer it all without something going horribly, horribly wrong. But they are absolutely here to stay without question. One of the things people seem to forget about the Tau is that they are also very skilled strategists, as unlike the imperium they can't just throw lives into the meat grinder to win battles. They actually kind of need to use their brains to make the best use of whatever manpower they have. They are cautious, and very efficient. And what enemy is more of a threat than one who is careful in their decisions and never takes unnecessary chances? There's a reason why people like Farsight and Shadowsun are so revered. Their combat prowess is incredible, but the primary reason for them being respected is their tactical skill and knowledge. There's a reason why terms like Mont'ka and Kauyun are known in the warhammer lexicon. As is always mentioned of course, Tau tech is the most advanced in the galaxy after the Necrons and the Eldars (despite what some people would say), and because they have no tech heresy or traditional bindings they can literally keep producing their weapons at a much faster rate than the imperium could ever hope for. And as you said, their technological advancement is a whole another factor, and given time they will surpass everyone (On a side note, I love how we can see this happen in real time, as "experimental" weapons in previous editions become common weapons in the next one and I just think that's awesome). But that is where the issue is- They don't have the time, or the numbers to conquer the galaxy. But by the greater good do they have the technology, skill and strategy to hold what they already have.
I am very intrigued that the Tau potentially made a chaos God. I hope this gets explored more closely. Keep up the good work, I have been recommending you to more of my friends who want to dive into 40k
I really like this video. Very well made and you had to put a lot of thought into this. When it comes to the tyranids it's the truth they're very scary but the appeal of Warhammer is that any faction could potentially win. Orcs outnumbering tyranids, necrons being metallic and having god killing weaponry they're literally made to fight a faction like this or even Eldars making some kind of psychic nuclear bomb severing the connection within the hive mind. There are countless possibilities to it and that's the glory of Warhammer.
considering that the tyranids can evolve and adapt to any strategies and are only limited by the amount of biomass they receive from each conquest, I wonder if the Orks fought the tyranids for real, if the orks multiplication and unpredictability would overpower the tyranids or if the tyranids would just be able to outnumber and outsmart the Orks to death
What would happen if the orks believe that there weapons are effective against the tyranids? Would it become reality or would the evolution of the tyranids make this impossible?
I think the celestial orary was probably seen as basic tech, maybe versions of it that allowed them to tap out entire species, avoiding there immortality or Necrons that hat that version implemented inside their heads, which wouldn't surprise at all and also allowing them to alter the past and future with at them same time, maybe even giving them the ability to destroy chaos gods by removing the events that created them in the first place
Congrats on the sponsorship! It is the first of many to come! As for the video, extremely well done my guy. Each of your videos send me down a different rabbit hole :D
Major shotout the the format transition. You were able to put up information and lore in a fast and intelligible format before, something quite unique with 40K. Now you used this experience to produce longer videos, more fleshed out script and you've done so really well. Half way between the seriousness and grim future of Luetin and your quick and excited short videos. It works well, cheers
The more I learn from you about 40k lore, the more I learn just how much Starcraft "borrowed" from it. Craftworld Eldar -> Protoss, Tyranid -> Zerg, Astartes -> Marines
I think the Necron's infighting is just extreme enough to be under the Orks in power, since while the Orks don't claim as much territory or use the same level of weaponry they tend to bring the hurt to the other factions more than their own. Don't know continuity but a lore piece said more Necron dynasties fall to each other than any other disaster or army.
Enjoyable WesHammer. I have been painting Warhammer models since the mid 80's. I recently just got a new batch of models from the new series of models that recently came out. I turn your videos on and let them play in the background while I paint my models.
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I second kill team. You only need a handful of models (unless you're playing guard- then you need 2 handfuls) it's pretty fun, and you can customize your kill team
9:03 just came on here to say that adding female custodes last minute removes how awesome the sisters of battle and sisterhood of silence truly are. They might not have super strength or be 12 feet tall but the scary thing is….they don’t need to be and can still fuck shit up.
So I found you on tikitok ages ago and always wished for longer more in-depth videos from you.... and you have delivered!!! Thanks for all the good work. Also hope the sponsors keep coming for ya so you can continue this.
30 trillion Guardsmen makes sense why so many would live their entire lives and never see a Space Marine; adds so much weight to the "His Angels" line- Space Marines are so damn rare to the Guard, they are literal unicorns haha.
Well half the orks themselves in the process of killing someone else so its kind of not as much of an overwhelming advantage as it may look Still love the green boyz tho
Necrons are absolutely the best tyranid counters, their weapons rob them of their biomass and they themselves offer none when destroyed. Necrons don't rely on the warp to communicate and travel so the shadow in the warp does nothing to them.
and yet nids can eat from encrons by now, the only "counter" is chaos, unable to eat the demons, but then nids is also the best coutnr v chaos uncorruptable
Great Vid was a little caught off guard with the custode ranking, but you gave a good reasoning were talking faction strength not individual strength. However if this was the individual strength list custodes are top three.
I actually really want to do a video where we rank basic troops of every faction. Stodes are probably only out ranked by a knight 😅 And even then, if we're going off lore. A Custode may be better
Sometimes wonder if the tyranids get stronger with the orks revert back to their older smarter template that the old ones created them as. Think I read somewhere the orks devolved cause there weren’t stronger enemies.
Fully agree with this list! Loved the information in this deep dive list! I'd love to chat with you about Warhammer sometime as you really know your stuff! Keep up the good work buddy and I'm looking forward to another amazing video ☺️
New subscriber here been watching your shorts for a while, great to see another fan of the lore. Must admit my knowledge pales in comparison to yours but the lore really affects how and what I play
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@@gentlerain8537 yeah why should someone receive some compensation for creating content you enjoy? the audacity
congratulations on your 1st of many. your videos have introduced me to 40k and i plan to read a 40k book next. the lore's great, and your videos are the best Ive seen
I appreciate that you rated the guard so highly, people underestimate their strength in the setting but i think they do most of the heavy lifting.
When I was seeing their actual numbers on paper... There was no way I couldn't rate them that high😅
Yeah there is only around 1,000,000 Astartes in the Galaxy... probably a bunch more now that Guilliman woke up his Astartes+ but that's still just a handful Super-Soldiers per Imperial planet.
There’s also the fact that in the trillions of guardsmen and officers there are a massive number of people who could be crazy protagonist types like Creed
Also humans are pretty adaptable and exceptional even in real life
They don't have a choice. The weight is always plopped onto them. Space Marines only come to lift it off them, but without the guard, the space marines would very quickly be overwhelmed.
A note on Space Marines - the oldest living loyalist Space Marine was a Salamander named Gravius, who was ten thousand years old when he died on Scoria. He was an immobile husk kept alive only by his determination to watch over his dead brothers, and was granted the Emperor's Peace by the apothecary who found him.
also bjorn
@@tobygreppellini5960that doesn’t really count since he’s basically just a corpse in a tin can
@@TheCorrodedMan ITS the "oldest" living not the healties living
@@memesfromdeepspace1075 Well yeah but would you say he was living? If we went by the scientific definition of living than the answer would be no.
@@kylehughes1619 if we went by the scientifc defintion of life if the way your trying to apply it then most people over 50 or impotent people would not be considered alive. If your talking about living in a metaphorical sense well there is no defintion for that. And even then he seemed to be keeping bussy.
You made Tau in the top 10, and explained it wasn’t their current level or size, but for their potential for progress being almost as limitless as the Tyranids hive fleets. Kudos and thank you for sharing your perspective with the community!
Thats not what he said, he said they are more powerful but for there size not that they are at the 10 spot because of the potential, they could be number one if they can grow and learn faster travel
Yeah, but then he said the Custodeas are "stronger" than them
@@zoomovaihingen9476 Tao would smoke the 10 thousand sons
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One correction I would make, the Tyranids can totally move faster than light. They actually bend and fold space to their destination covering the 90% of the distance almost instantly, but then the next 10% is incredibly slow, since at that time they can only do speed of light. This is because their navigation isn't exactly pinpoint, they know the approximate location of what they are going towards, so they don't want to overshoot where they are going, so they get a certain distance away and then stop bending space to fly to it.
It would not make sense that an extragalactic alien spent all that time in intergalactic space that light-speed would require, to go between galaxies (it takes 2.5 million years at light speed to go from andromeda to milky way, for example.)
@@herpederpe4320but they still spent all that time traveling
OR they used the warp@@JohnLittleton-ux7wy
In one novel the eldar farseer takes a look at the Tyranids over mind and sees it's true form wrapped around the higher dimensions. It's actual form was larger than galaxies.
It's an immortal god like consciousness that control dozens of galaxies worth of bio mass simultaneously.
I believe there was an Imperial... Ffs, I can't remember the names, he was like a priest but also some flavor of psyker, who was involved in a tyrannid siege where a trap was laid using a special substance naturally-occuring on the planet that could immediately dissolve them if they charged into it. And for a few moments, they halted, in unison, and just sat stock-still, except for one gaunt at the front, that started cautiously observing the moat of liquid. And then it looked up and made eye contact with the imperial, who looked into its eyes for a few moments, and apparently his extensive mental and spiritual training was the only thing that kept him from going insane from the magnitude of the presence he found looking back at him through the lowly gaunt's eyes. He reflexively bolted its eye out which just caused the entire swarm to resume its attack and fortunately fall for the trap.
@@Knight-Bishop a blood angels chaplain during the devastation of baal
@@Knight-Bishop That is fucking terrifying
@@synergy8879 Yes! That one. Thanks 😁
@@emperorkiron3470 I believe Weshammer himself covered it in a video titled something like "5 reasons why the Tyranids are terrifying", or "even more terrifying than you'd think".
I think my favorite scary thing in the lore is actually something that is as much of a meme as it is potentially horrifying. In the most secure lock-up in the Imperium, in a cell chamber that has essentially every security measure possible... Is what appears to be absolutely nothing. On some edge world, there were mysterious disappearances and brutal deaths (even for 40k) caused by something that left absolute no trace. No tracks, no body matter, no warp presence, nothing. Somehow... It got captured... Or at least so they think; iirc, there is only one thing that ever actually verified something was present, but the reason why others believed it was real was because it had the normal instinctual affects on people; feeling like you're being watched, feeling like there's something breathing down your neck, etc. That is how people were convinced something was actually there. The only problem is... Whatever had caused this destruction could apparently either pass through the warp so seemlessly it left no trace, or it could physically phase through matter, and it didn't seem to interact with the electromagnetic spectrum in any conventional way, so even shielding may not have an affect on it. But as far as anyone can tell, even if just by the strange feeling they get... It appears to just be staying in that lock-up. And they don't know if any of the security measures would even hold it. Meaning... If there really is something there, it may be staying there willingly. For some unknown reason.
Some people think it is like a lone, rogue, freakish super-strain of a chameleon/stealth Tyranid, somehow able to do more than just be invisible. Others (which I just love), think it is an actual Purple Ork. Something that supposedly does exist but nobody can actually see, let alone prove. Lol
There's a fun quote from an older necron codex that goes as follows - "What the Imperium cannot know is that, should the Necrons ever fully wake and unite, they would face a foe as numerous as themselves. For now, the Imperium has had but a taste of the Necrons’ might, and it is fortunate for Mankind that the Necrons remain divided by madness and conflicting agendas. However, these are but the first stumbling steps of a giant as it gathers pace, and even now powerful leaders like Anrakyr the Traveler, Imotekh the Stormlord and the Silent King are uniting their people under a common cause in order to reestablish the Infinite Empire" - Codex Necrons, 7'th ed, The Necron Dynasties.
This is to say that the size of the nascent reawakening necron dynasties is utterly massive
yeah but the most super Badass dangerous faction in 40k is ALWAYS the one they are talking about at the moment......
but I do think if even half of all were awake & functional the empire, tau &, elves would all get wipes out-
the old one, elves & krork couldn't defeat the Necrons & C'tan,
the Necrons DID defeat the unbroken C'tan and now their shards are used for batteries & weapons,
they have better tech than the elves,
FTL travel without relying on the warp or broken webway and in the long-term the tyranids will learn to avoid them because they aren't food..... unless the orks evolve back into krorks and enough are eaten by the nids to make them want to fight Necrons because the Old Ones made the Krork for fighting necrons
What in-universe year was that written?
@@ihopeicanchangethis8912 That's a Matt Ward question since he wrote it. I do not know.
You forgot a really important factor: the Tyranids CAN travel faster than the speed of light. They have a specific ship, called the Narvhal, which allows them to manipulate gravity to construct tunnels through spacetime and move in ftl. Their recent victory on Octarius relied on them moving ships between planets fast, eating the less defended Ork worlds and then bringing the reinforcements to the main tussle on Octaria. They may not use the Warp to do it, but neither do the Necrons (though the metal boys' way is faster).
I did not know this! Thanks for telling me about it! I'm going to have to do some late night bug reading 😃
And don't forget that the Orks were doing this too when teleporting their attack moons during the War of the Beast.
@@weshammer That's how they even got into the galaxy to begin with. If they just flew it would take them billions of years just to get here, but they bend space to get most of the way to the galaxy, and then travel the rest of the way by flying through space slowly, because they can't just tunnel in directly, as this would probably destroy them and anything that they were trying to get to.
I was thinking that the tyranids would have been travelling through space for millions of years to reach our galaxy.
@@jamesleon4883 sadly only the last 10,000 have they really been directing a large portion of the swarm our way. Basically since the use and I believe destruction of a Psychic Beacon in the realm of Ultramar during the Horus Heresy (sorry forget the name)
I always like to think of the tyranids as an anti chaos weapon from another galaxy. Like they supresse the warp, and counter each aspect of chaos. There is no change if all is nids, there is not blood or war after the nids win, there is no pestilence if all is nids and there is no excess as nids don't want for anything, they are single minded.
They are a weapon, but I don’t think they’re anti-chaos, I think they’re Anti-Aeldari and Anti-Ork. There is lore to support that the Silent King created the Tyranids while he was in exile outside of the Galaxy during the Necron’s big nap, and he created the Tyranids as the perfect counter to the Necron’s foes, the Orks and Eldar. The Orks and limitless but disorganized, the Eldar are few but psychic and evasive, so the bugs are limitless like Orks, but organized as hell because of the Hive mind, and they block out the Warp and can’t be sensed coming to be fled from. They only eat biomass so they will leave the Necrons alone, and then when all the other life is gone the Necrons can use the Tyranids as a genetically engineered host species to return to flesh-and-blood life as the owners of the Galaxy.
Viewed from another perspective, Tyranids embody change (as one of their defining characteristics is that they are constantly evolving and adapting to face every new threat), they only know bloodshed and killing (they are built for nothing else), they are themselves a galactic plague (self-replicating, parasitic, rapidly evolving... they have been referred to as a plague by many Imperial characters), and their appetite is rather excessive; single-mindedness is not an anti-Slaaneshi trait, it is in fact Slaaneshi in its essence (the pitfall of Slaanesh comes when you are so focused on achieving perfection in one thing - be it painting, swordfighting, or in the case of 'nids, devouring the galaxy - that you let everything else fall by the wayside).
It's also worth noting that the Tyranids are unable to consume Daemons (Daemons being made out of raw warp stuff and not physical matter), which means in a war of attrition vs. Chaos, the Tyranids lose since they lose the ability to self-replicate and would eventually run out of bugs, while Daemons are theoretically infinite because they are functionally immortal and will respawn in the warp forever unless their spirit essence is destroyed (and there are only a couple things in the whole galaxy that can do that).
Ya I mean there is lore saying multiple differrnt things from, they were created, to as said in this video that they destroyed other galaxies, to what we are seeing is them running from something else.
Oh ya I can see other perspectives. This is just my personal fan cannon / theory. If the nids could attack the warp directly they would lose. But if they kill all sentient life would the immatirum then stop existing. Since nids actively suppress it and are only one very large soul at most.
Chaos, Imperium, and everyone else should unite to kill the Tyranids.
Honestly, something that might be a pretty interesting development, is if all the factions united against the Tyranid. That the thought of total extinction for all sides, might unite them just long enough to deal with the Tyranid. Hell Im pretty certain if you told an Ork Warboss that "YOU NO LONGA GET TO DO DA STOMPEN" they might actually think about it lol
I feel like having chaos as the main enemy and every faction uniting is better, as chaos literally cannot die
@@DionMango ...if the Tyrannids wiped out every other race then Chaos would be dead...wtf are you talking about.
@@teekay851 ...if the Tyrannids wiped out every other race then Tyrannids would also starve to death without biomass 💀
@@DionMango 🤣🤣lucky that wasnt the point being addressed then lol. The statement was 'chaos cannot die' and the answer is: "uh yes they definitely can..."
@@DionMangothe tyranids would just move on to the next galaxy what are you talking about???
The main strength of the nyds is their adaptability. A great example is their anti chaos hive fleet. They don't like to fight chaos because demons and warp entities have no biomass but after the great rift opened and a lot of warp stuff came out they designed this hive fleet. They go to a place where chaos is and fight them, once the fight is done they go to a place where another hive fleet wiped out the defenders and replenish their biomass. I think there is a story of a imperium fleet fighting a chaos fleet and this hive fleet coming out of nowhere and started attacking the chaos fleet completely ignoring the imperium's one.
Just a heads up, all Orks (and for that matter Krorks) were "Pre-programmed" genetically by the Old Ones to perform tasks within their society, even 60 million years on this still holds true. mekboyz were pre-programmed as mechanics, speed sreaks were most likely pilots, etc. In fact in some instances in some books that feature orks, some mekboyz go into this weird "trancelike" explanation of what they're doing and why. Like a full on, almost encyclopedic reading of the physics pertaining to their task and they have no idea why. It's super freaky.
My favorite part about orks is their ability to warp reality with their imagination. Thats canon right?
@@JH-fd9xt Sorta? Their psychic ability is extremely weak, individually, but as a collective all the little weak points add up into a glaring signal flare. And basically all the shared beliefs become reality via this collective psychic presence.
In other words, they all believe their guns work and since there are so many orcs present that belief becomes reality.
But their guns are just wooden boxes full of nails.
@@JH-fd9xt yes. They can will anything into what they imagine if the collective believes it enough
@@JH-fd9xt enough orks have to believe it to be really true, but yes, they actually can and it's amazing. There's a theory that states that the Emperor is still here because the orks really thinks he's some kind of god.
They're one large superfungus organism. Collective memory. You could also argue they all correspond to the different parts of a fungus, which is why they have predisposed directions of expertise.
The tyranids do have a hive fleet that is an anomaly amongst the rest of the hive fleets and splinter fleets. Hive fleet Tiamat has been actively defending a system of planets, cultivating the world’s ecosystem, instead of completely devouring it. In addition to cultivating the planet, they have also constructed a massive bioform that is pretty much a giant tower, that might be acting as a signal beacon for the main fleet.
Someone should blow that shit up.
Ooh. I LIVE the idea of a caretaker hive fleet that caught a Gaia vibe.
That sounds like that the Milkyway is really the last living galaxy and therefore the Hivemind came to the conclusion that agriculture is needed to survive as a whole.
@@Mandred85 That might be, but that idea is contradicted by the fact that all other fleets are rampaging as per normal. I do indeed like that they expanded upon the hivemind and characterized it as more like a sentient hungering supercomputer directing swarms of drones. however, this observation of conservation only proves that all fleets do not act under a single directive. Frankly, if i were in the Imperium, id be shitting bricks. This divergence is highly disturbing. it could mean there is something so powerful that the tyranids cant overcome it, but are suppressing it. My first guess would be a new hive form so dangerous, its existence was meant to be secret. Grooming the world was a means of camouflaging the tyranids presence. That or a super weapon the hive mind recognized as capable of wiping the galaxy clean. possibly a "halo ring" like device left by the old ones as a trump card.
another weird one is rkaken elaving palents full of food for another hivelfeet thats amde to hutn chaos.
Tyranids do have faster than light travel, but when they enter a gravity well of a solar system they are forced out of it. This leads to them having to foot slog the rest of the to the planet, which generally gives the planet 2-5 years to set to defend. Usually the shadow in the warp keeps it so they can’t get reinforcements.
That doesn't really make sense to me since gravity travels outward infinitely from all massive objects at the speed of light and the galaxy IS a gravity well.
@@inthefade common, nothing in Warhammer 40k makes logical sense. Zoanthrobes literally fire their consciousness as a cannon!
@@inthefade Inverse square law.
@@inthefade gravity gets more intese the closer you get to a massive object. all a matter of how much gravity causes them issues
gravity 5 light years away from a planet will be so small even specs of dust wandering randomly will break out of that gravity...
Ranked Factions Timestamps:
10) Tau Empire 2:54
9) Adeptus Custodes 5:46
8) Craftworld Eldar 9:28
7) Adeptus Mechanicus 12:42
6) Chaos Space Marines 15:37
5.5) Chaos Daemons 19:43
5) Adeptus Astartes 23:42
4) Astra Militarum 28:32
3) Orks 31:49
2) Necrons 35:00
1) Tyranids 38:53
Lol if you click the translate to english button #4 "Astra Militarum" becomes "Star Wars" 😂
So wrong
Considering 9, 7, 5 and 4, that gives humanity a pretty good chance to come out on top.
This is why I love TH-cam, long, good explained lore videos. I think you just made one of the best summarys I’ve ever seen of 40K factions.
Loving the long stories keep it up man and congrats on the sponsorship 👍
Thanks! I was really proud of myself and I'm a person who really struggles with celebrating my own achievements
@@weshammer you are like another Luetin09 with vid length and soothing voice yet I feel a bit more excitement w/o it being overwhelming like the shorts can.
I'm gonna be there for any collabs that happen.
@@weshammer choas gods are not that powerful they are not universe level they're only planet level there is no evidence of them destroying any universes they just sit in their throne and do nothing and yet they lose to the imperium plus chaos gods need the belief and warp energy to survive without the influence of others or the belief of other races they will starve to death and die because warp energy is like water they can control water but they cannot destroy water.
I personally would have the Top 3 as
1: Necrons
2: Orks
3: Tyranids
The main reason why I have the Nids lower then the other two groups is A: The Necrons are a hard counter to the Nids, in every way and B: The Orks have an easier time repopulating, due to them not needing biomass to spread.
Personally I would still rank the nids higher than orks since the nids could at any moment have a full attack force arrive and outnumber the orks, Eldar, men, and Tau a million to one if everything we have seen is truly only a scout fleet
@@jakerittenhouse273 the "nothing but a scout fleet" is just a theory still. Octarious has shown Orks can put up a good fight against nids. Also scorch earth strategy and hybrid tau-human tactics have been efficient (not mentioning also the virus Tau created against them).
Nothing of what I mentioned works against Orks.
If the Events of Octarius prove anything orks and Nids are very close to even in power (yes I’m aware the bugs have gotten the upper hand currently but that will probably change)
The thing is, while they're both great at replenishing their ranks, Orks still need their weapons and ramshackle tech to reach their peak, whereas the tyranids are born ready to slice, shoot and explode things. In a full on war the Orks would gradually lose materials as tyranid acid would slowly but surely burn through whatever metals they can salvage, and despite how it appears, dakka isn't infinite.
@@mothichorror446 Pretty sure it is infinite if enough orks believe it.
This is what makes 40k so great. All factions are unimaginably powerful with the potential to annihilate all others yet simultaneously fail to do so for so many reasons. A perfect balance of power and the inability to use it effectively
War hammer is like one of the most op verses ever idont think dc and marvel can compete
@OMNISLASHER1000 really?
Ha! They deign to use _"40k"_ and _"balance"_ in the same sentence.
Foolish mortal. Will you never learn? Mwah-ha-ha-ha!
Except the tyrannids…
@@jmgonzales7701I think Superman could hang. He’d have problems but Superman is master of real space.
Just want to say thank you for making these videos. I used to play 40k way back in the day when those creepy bug looked way different and now I'm finally getting back into it and I want to pick up a few books and stuff but these are helping me out a lot so thank you
Well done. Great video. I would agree with almost all of your ranking. Your explanations of their strengths and weakness' and why these put each faction at it's rank is pretty great.
Love the fact your addressing lore that nobody else has made a video of this quality about before, your narration is great, your passion is obvious and your knowledge is impressive, nice work bro
Thanks! I'm still brand new to this, so Im doing my best to make the content as high quality as I can. Means I have to stop every 5 minutes to look up an editing tutorial, but I think I'm making good progress 😅
@@weshammer I'm not sure if you've done your research on other 40k lore youtubers, but your easily my second favourite behind luetin09 , look forward to more in depth videos like this one
@@weshammer warhammer 40k is not overpowered your only exaggerating to much
@@weshammer choas gods are not that powerful they are not universe level they're only planet level there is no evidence of them destroying any universes they just sit in their throne and do nothing and yet they lose to the imperium plus chaos gods need the belief and warp energy to survive without the influence of others or the belief of other races they will starve to death and die because warp energy is like water they can control water but they cannot destroy water.
@@jamespaguip5913 you’re*
The Tyranids have another weakness: They can't really deal with multiple different strategies at the same time. For example, Space Marines and Craftworld Eldar or Imperial Guardsman and Necrons, they can't multitask when it comes to specific battles
Edit: Nevermind I was wrong. Ignore this comment
Interesting! I have never heard this before I will have to do some research on it
By that logic, Orks and Tau would be the hardest enemies for the Tyranids. Ironically.
And they can be cut from the hive mind, i think that the dark eldar use tyranids in their arenas
@@braisgt4428 the Dark Eldar are weird. They willingly graft genestealer biomorphs onto themselves… for fun.
Does this apply to space marines and imperial guard?
I’ve always personally had the head-cannon that the Necron super-weapons that were too bad to be allowed to exist were the Halo rings, and the Orks are basically the Flood.
I see the nids more as flood.
The Necrons have something much worse than the Halo Rings, and they allowed them to exist.
@@yokgor4675 what could possibly be worse? I genuinly want to know
@@manofculture4938 The Celestial Orrery, which can detonate every single star in the galaxy if you wanted to, resulting not only the destruction of all organic life, but the entirety of the galaxy, and there will be no hope of reseeding life into the galaxy like the Forerunners did, because the galaxy would be utterly uninhabitable. The Breath of the Gods, a temporal manipulating machine used to siphon star energies through time, if weaponised it has the potential to wipe out the timeline, thus making the entire universe cease to exist.
@@yokgor4675 hate to point this out but...does it really matter whether its all sentient life or all life in general?
As a Tau fan, watching a Warhammer youtuber that doesn’t hate them makes me so happy. Fantastic video all around and congrats on that sponsorship
I know right? I don’t understand why so many people hate them
Once had a guy walk past a game I was having and he said "eww tau" and without looking up I said "eww neckbeard" then when I looked up he actually had one.😂 Shut him up pretty quickly
@@jamesvivian2855 because their doctrine of "common/greater good" reminds them on dreaded communism (or at least the communism we know)...
@@ApocGuy the naivety of the Tau is somehow adorable as well. It's like watching a kid grow up and realizing the horrors of our world
Heretic !
With Celestial Orrery being kept around as a "relatively safe" weapon of mass destruction, I assume Necrons offered Silent King an actual campaign IWIN button.
In my head, the Tyranids entirely consumed all life in Adromeda, and then, with no further biomass to consume, they went into hibernation. Then at the end of the Horus Heresy daddy’s very special boy set off a giant signal flare that woke the bugs up and showed them which direction the food was in. It took them about 10,000 years for them to make the trip and boom they show up right on time for 40K.
The Lore also suggest that The Silent King either discovered or created the Tyranids during his exile while the Necrons were sleeping.
The Silent King creating the Tyranids is just a fan theory. The Silent King discovered the Tyranids during his exile and realized that if they aren't dealt with the Necrons won't be able to turn back into the Necrontyr, as the Tyranids will just eat all of the biomass making it impossible to turn back and if they were to turn back before Tyranids were defeated they would fall prey to the Tyranids.
@@captaincapsaicin1319 ,
I don't remember which one of the many lore people I listen to, but one of them raised an important fact:
This little tidbit was leaked while Game Workshop was working on new Necron Models....
It is entirely possible the line is meant to relate to one of the new Units that the Necron received recently, and not the whole of the Tyranid. As I do not have the time to do research, in transit at the moment, I can't pull out the exact unit in question and the quotes that go along with it but they did line up. The silent king working on a new Unit to help strip the Galaxy has a lot less problems then suddenly making the Tyranids a Necron sub-faction....
@Omnissiah That unforutenly is a bit tricky as it was in space outside all galaxies, We know it started after the War in Heaven, and ending with the discovery of the Tyranids. If you are asking for a book or codex entry for reference I don't know which. Got this info from Adeptus Ridiculous.
The very special boy being Magnus?? Forgive me, I'm new to 40k but trying to learn.
@@eskimocheeks9911 Horus
The only thing I would really swap is Crons above Nids. The Crons have no biomass for the Nids to consume, and they can disintegrate their enemies so the Nids can't consume their own fallen for regeneration. Many of the Cron's super-super weapons were dismantled, but that doesn't mean they can't rebuild them. While the Nids could rapidly evolve biologically to fight the Crons, the Crons could rapidly evolve technologically to fight the Nids, and their current tech allows them to fuss with time at a whim, so that being their starting point one could only imagine what they're capable of. Also Crons don't really use the warp iirc, so the Shadow in the Warp wouldn't affect them.
I understand that this vid is about the big picture, so that changes the math as it's not necessarily about a straight 1v1. I just think that, obviously, the Nids would be a huge threat to the Crons, but if the boney bois could hold their own vs the bugs, they could probably hold their own against anyone. Anyways, cheers.
but the cron are fractured af, unless the silent king decided to come back and rule once more. not to mention quite a large amount of them are still asleep
Necrons feel like they are both #10 and #1 at the same time
now that I think about it, the necrons are really similar to the eldar + orc, infighting, advanced tech, and diminishing number
I think the reason it's done is the necrons have no way to reproduce. Even if killing one is hard, the Tyr have endless reproduction abilities, even if they are disintegrated. If this hive mind figures out what's what, it wouldn't be too crazy to begin to harvest orcs and using them like cattle to fuel an unending tide. I do agree the necrons are super strong against tyr, but in a war of attrition, the necrons I think would lose out
I don’t think Crons can innovate anymore, but even so their tech is probably already good enough
Nids can evolve but we know every Nid has a basic form and standard, for example the Humble meatshield the Hormagaunt, we see every Hivefleet use it with buffs of the different hivefleet adaptations, so Tyranids might need the effort of a new hivefleet to effectively counter crons
Glad you're seeing the fruition of your effort here on youtube. I really enjoy your fresh and lighthearted take on 40k that isn't too grim, or to dark. Keep up the great work, I'll definitely keep watching.
I am so happy I got into warhammer when I did, it allowed me to watch Weshammer grow as a youtuber/channel such a great informative channel deserves it.
My favorite detail about the Orks is that they've basically turned Commisar Yarrick into a demigod. They believe he's an unkillable badass who mows down entire legions of Orks with ease, so that's exactly what he's become.
I'm just happy that the Tau showed up at all. I was honestly expecting them to be left out.
Heres an idea for a video. Maybe you can tell us about some of the destroyed empires and extinct species in the 40K galaxy? The Diasporex, the Rangdan, the Tarellians or my favorite, the Interex. I feel like you could do a whole video on the empires that are no longer players on the galactic stage.
That's actually a great idea for a video! I will put that down in my journal
The rangdan are an interesting race. Took shit tons of dark angels and other legions to kill them. Its possible that they might have responsible for the 2 lost legions.
Do a blood ravens video please
I could get behind this and if you want an organized list of idea for obscure xeno civilizations capable of interplanetary travel, let me know. I have a few notes.
Awesome idea!
So if the orcs outnumber humanity 1,000 to 1 and we say even as high as 20% of humans serve, where as 100% of orks fight, thats 1.5 quadrillion, or 20 million earths of soldiers.
So if every human in the state of New York was instead a full planet of 7.5 billion orks, thats how many orks soldiers exist.
I hate that GW gets numbers stupidly low or high. There is no way the imperium can exist with 1m astartes against that many Orks and "at least" double of that amount of Tyranids.
@@jorgeserna8411 its kinda crazy. Such numbers start to lose meaning, you may as well say 'infinite'
One of the issues I do have with WH40k as a whole is that everything is so ridiculously hopeless that the overall objectives seem futile. You can't fight against infinite amounts of foes for eternity without the point of it all becoming meaningless. I mean it's great for a tabletop wargame, but as a narrative it's pretty soul crushing.
that was 45min of enjoyment for me, your way in explaining things is both precise, entertaining and educative about the lore, didn't saw the time flies at all, keep it like that man ^^
Congratulations on your first sponsor, man!! I'm happy for you! You make great vids, you deserve it. Keep it up!
The one thing I would note about the Mechanicum is that even though innovation is heresy, if you couch your "innovation" as "discovery of lost knowledge", they'll look the other way. Oh, that more powerful lasgun on the tank? Yeah, actually if you look at the scriptures, it was always meant to be designed that way!
As much as I love your short vids these long form videos are just as amazing and put together man keep up the great work Wes
Right, I love wes and luetin so much
@@chandisraygor3299 Wes Is definitely up there as one of my favorite TH-camrs
I lobe how you’re not biased like most Warhammer fans are, you do provide good information and perspective than just sticking to a single faction.
Thanks! It's going to sound really nerdy, but the best way to be unbiased is to genuinely love and find every single element of 40K lore fascinating. Maybe it's the adhd, but every time I read about something new I'm like " Welp, this is my new favorite thing" 😅
Congrats on the sponsorship. I've been watching you for quite some time and am glad to see your channel grow.
Thanks again for the amazing 40k videos.
So happy how high the imperial guard got on this list and that the Tau empire made it on here two of my favorite factions! and how you explain each faction because I learned allot about Warhammer that I didn't know about. Love your content! You're great!
I have never read nor played Warhammer but I've been watching your videos because the lore is ridiculously addictive to listen to
Thank you for telling us which novels you are sourcing your info and putting it's cover art on the screen. I think it will really help people get deeper into the lore by giving them good starting points into areas they find interesting. You are doing a great job helping the community.
I never really grasped the lore before finding your channel, I think what got me hooked was that TikTok you made showing your love for the Chaos legions. Love the content!
Your long form content is absolutely amazing, you are really making your place as a loretubber and i can't wait to see more!
Question within the lore, is there a way to stop the Tyranids or is there a force out there actively trying to fight them and get everyone else to realise?
A certain Nekron King thinks of them as the biggest threat to their byo ressurection, but other then that only on the local lvl. EoM, Tau, Eldar and even Nekrons are known to have short alliences in the face of a bigger threat, so there is a chance for them to do smth on realization, and Orks enjoy fignting Nyds but they fight everybody. Dunno about chaos. As it stands now though, everyone have their own share of problems with each other.
Probably the Tau
I’m pretty sure the necrons are the most worried about the tyranids but I’m pretty sure they basically counter them since all the tyranids want is more mass and unless I’m mistaken the necron guns can destroy the mass and the tyranids can’t exactly consume a necron since they are metal and can just phase back to a tomb world
Their obvious weakness being that because it's all just one giant organism, if something were to infect it, the whole or a huge part of the tyranids could completely get wiped out. It's like a giant, unsecured network of hosts.
I heard orks can stop a tyranid fleet and at least do a stalemate irks and Tyra id's just getting stronger off each other now stop but not gai ing ground
Congratulations on the sponsorship!! Nice ad too 😌 thanks for the great analysis on these factions, always loved your 40k content from memes to lore info
You forgot something about this chaos space Marines all of them are dangerous brutal veterans are one of the most dangerous walls to ever consume the Galaxy
@Aditya Kumar singh thank you on the correction let's not forget that the warp also probably added some time on to the battles they've had it's probably more than 10,000 years has passed for them or less
Veterans of the Long War, the Real War. They claimed the Stars and were denied their rightful place standing atop all their brothers fought and died for… “From Shame and Shadow recast, in Black and Gold reborn.”
You make some of the genuinely best Warhammer content I've ever seen. Especially your longer-form videos, which I've enjoyed immensely.
30 trillion is 4000 times more people than currently live on earth. 4,000 earths of soldiers. Also that is 30 million soldiers per space marine, so yeah no matter how badass a space marine is they ain't shit compared to the regular joes.
Transhuman dread be damned!
If a chapter of space marine ever try to turn on the guardsman and imperium
It probably won’t end well
I enjoyed listening to this. It’s a good pair to your timeline video. Please more summaries like this
This is a great list, and I agree with it entirely at this point honestly (even though my two favourite factions are ranked on the lower end lmao).
The thing I say about the Tau is that, they are not going to conquer the galaxy. They're too small, and it's really too late for them to be able to conquer it all without something going horribly, horribly wrong. But they are absolutely here to stay without question.
One of the things people seem to forget about the Tau is that they are also very skilled strategists, as unlike the imperium they can't just throw lives into the meat grinder to win battles. They actually kind of need to use their brains to make the best use of whatever manpower they have. They are cautious, and very efficient. And what enemy is more of a threat than one who is careful in their decisions and never takes unnecessary chances? There's a reason why people like Farsight and Shadowsun are so revered. Their combat prowess is incredible, but the primary reason for them being respected is their tactical skill and knowledge. There's a reason why terms like Mont'ka and Kauyun are known in the warhammer lexicon.
As is always mentioned of course, Tau tech is the most advanced in the galaxy after the Necrons and the Eldars (despite what some people would say), and because they have no tech heresy or traditional bindings they can literally keep producing their weapons at a much faster rate than the imperium could ever hope for. And as you said, their technological advancement is a whole another factor, and given time they will surpass everyone (On a side note, I love how we can see this happen in real time, as "experimental" weapons in previous editions become common weapons in the next one and I just think that's awesome).
But that is where the issue is- They don't have the time, or the numbers to conquer the galaxy.
But by the greater good do they have the technology, skill and strategy to hold what they already have.
I am very intrigued that the Tau potentially made a chaos God. I hope this gets explored more closely. Keep up the good work, I have been recommending you to more of my friends who want to dive into 40k
I really like this video. Very well made and you had to put a lot of thought into this. When it comes to the tyranids it's the truth they're very scary but the appeal of Warhammer is that any faction could potentially win. Orcs outnumbering tyranids, necrons being metallic and having god killing weaponry they're literally made to fight a faction like this or even Eldars making some kind of psychic nuclear bomb severing the connection within the hive mind. There are countless possibilities to it and that's the glory of Warhammer.
Orks do not outnumber tyranids
Man, love these longer videos. So good.
Also, more on the Tau possibly making a Chaos god?!?!
Aye brother you gonna get a lot of views soon cuz of 40k 2 you have been the only guy telling me the lore love it
That pause after naming the Adeptus Mechanicus that long pause had me thinking you were just gonna skip to the next one 😂😭
Thanks for this insightful and comprehensive video! Great writing, narration style and art direction. Congratulations on your first sponsor!
considering that the tyranids can evolve and adapt to any strategies and are only limited by the amount of biomass they receive from each conquest, I wonder if the Orks fought the tyranids for real, if the orks multiplication and unpredictability would overpower the tyranids or if the tyranids would just be able to outnumber and outsmart the Orks to death
Well that’s actually happening right now in the Octarius war
Or maybe tyranids intentionally dont eat all orks and let them make more orks, so they can be eaten for more biomass :p
redemption corps is a book with another outcome for that conflict
genestorks, the true end of the galaxy
What would happen if the orks believe that there weapons are effective against the tyranids? Would it become reality or would the evolution of the tyranids make this impossible?
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Impeccable logic, precise deductions, and accurate analysis. Perfect list. Best 40k channel, easy, with respect to the others.
I think the celestial orary was probably seen as basic tech, maybe versions of it that allowed them to tap out entire species, avoiding there immortality or Necrons that hat that version implemented inside their heads, which wouldn't surprise at all and also allowing them to alter the past and future with at them same time, maybe even giving them the ability to destroy chaos gods by removing the events that created them in the first place
I've found your channel by pure accident and after watching many of your videos I'm pumped to read some books from the Warhammer universe 🙂
Love the long form bro keep it going.
Love your long form content man, please keep creating. Much love
Congrats on the sponsorship! It is the first of many to come! As for the video, extremely well done my guy. Each of your videos send me down a different rabbit hole :D
40K lore seems to keep drawing me back for more time after time and sir you do an amazing job making content!
Just watched the whole video and thought it was 10 mins until i checked at the end geez that was a great video
Major shotout the the format transition. You were able to put up information and lore in a fast and intelligible format before, something quite unique with 40K. Now you used this experience to produce longer videos, more fleshed out script and you've done so really well. Half way between the seriousness and grim future of Luetin and your quick and excited short videos. It works well, cheers
The more I learn from you about 40k lore, the more I learn just how much Starcraft "borrowed" from it. Craftworld Eldar -> Protoss, Tyranid -> Zerg, Astartes -> Marines
blizzard lost the license for a 40k game shortly before completion
so they reskinned and released anyway
@@ashardalondragnipurake Isn't this just a myth though?
@@JesperoTV Nope
40k rips off everything first so it evens out. Starcraft did their own thing.
I think the Necron's infighting is just extreme enough to be under the Orks in power, since while the Orks don't claim as much territory or use the same level of weaponry they tend to bring the hurt to the other factions more than their own. Don't know continuity but a lore piece said more Necron dynasties fall to each other than any other disaster or army.
Enjoyable WesHammer. I have been painting Warhammer models since the mid 80's. I recently just got a new batch of models from the new series of models that recently came out. I turn your videos on and let them play in the background while I paint my models.
I've never seen your channel before but I'm proud of you too, dude. Congratulations on your first sponsor!
Amazing content as always! Congratulations on the sponsorship!
You’re killing it with these long form videos. Glad you’re doing more. Keep it up bro and long live the emperor.
Some of this reminds me of when you're playing as a kid and you just yell out "invisible force field" to counter any attack
I love your work your the best on utube. I listen to your videos daily! Keep it coming!
Always been aware of 40k but never really been a fan. Since subscribing to your channel it's growing on me. Congratulations on your first sponsor. 😁🏴
Dude I love this channel haha, you’re so excited about everything and the sponsor was nice
Wes makes warhammer sound awesome and appealing, hopefully I can play the table top one day 👍
I recommend starting with kill team. Cheaper and easier to learn first.
I second kill team. You only need a handful of models (unless you're playing guard- then you need 2 handfuls) it's pretty fun, and you can customize your kill team
Never heard of 40k until your shorts deff peaked my interest the lore is pretty interesting
9:03 just came on here to say that adding female custodes last minute removes how awesome the sisters of battle and sisterhood of silence truly are. They might not have super strength or be 12 feet tall but the scary thing is….they don’t need to be and can still fuck shit up.
So I found you on tikitok ages ago and always wished for longer more in-depth videos from you.... and you have delivered!!! Thanks for all the good work. Also hope the sponsors keep coming for ya so you can continue this.
As a time traveler its interesting to see the steps leading to the Raid v Disney Wars.
Congrats on the sponsor dude as always loving your longform vids keep the good stuff coming.
The fact the the tyranids evolved to eat deamon in some cases is frigging terrifying
where was this? that was the one i always read they couldnt, while i know they can eat necrons by now
@@Helleuw123 hive fleet of kronos
30 trillion Guardsmen makes sense why so many would live their entire lives and never see a Space Marine; adds so much weight to the "His Angels" line- Space Marines are so damn rare to the Guard, they are literal unicorns haha.
30 million Guardsmen for every Space Marine is wild, and the Orks are even more numerous...
Well half the orks themselves in the process of killing someone else so its kind of not as much of an overwhelming advantage as it may look
Still love the green boyz tho
Loving the lore vids. Keeps me moving at work.
Necrons are absolutely the best tyranid counters, their weapons rob them of their biomass and they themselves offer none when destroyed.
Necrons don't rely on the warp to communicate and travel so the shadow in the warp does nothing to them.
And could possibly use the astro thinghy machine to wipe out some stars or planets to kill the tyrranids that link the army to the hive mind
and yet nids can eat from encrons by now, the only "counter" is chaos, unable to eat the demons, but then nids is also the best coutnr v chaos uncorruptable
No offence, but in today's YT it's an achievement NOT to be sponsored by Raid shadow legens...
Man I’ve never played a warhammer game in my life but I am so enthralled with the lore!! How did these guys come up with this stuff??
Great Vid was a little caught off guard with the custode ranking, but you gave a good reasoning were talking faction strength not individual strength. However if this was the individual strength list custodes are top three.
I actually really want to do a video where we rank basic troops of every faction. Stodes are probably only out ranked by a knight 😅
And even then, if we're going off lore. A Custode may be better
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@@weshammer I would love to see that plus you could play out battles that a lot of people imagine.
I remember reading of 6 custodians who beat million tyranids with swarmlord on some vulkano.
Sometimes wonder if the tyranids get stronger with the orks revert back to their older smarter template that the old ones created them as. Think I read somewhere the orks devolved cause there weren’t stronger enemies.
The enslavers nearly destroyed their race.
I like that explanation.
Tyranids in the Lore: *incoherent endless screeching*
Tyranids on the Tabletop: *in a spongebob voice* "Hey how are ya? Nice weather we're having."
I am new to war hammer I just find the war hammer universe so interesting.
Normally skip ads, but I figure since it’s the first one, I’ll give it a watch
Fully agree with this list! Loved the information in this deep dive list! I'd love to chat with you about Warhammer sometime as you really know your stuff!
Keep up the good work buddy and I'm looking forward to another amazing video ☺️
I love the long form videos. I feel like you can tell much more intriguing and detailed stories compared to the shorts.
Finally I can hear warhammer 40000 lore in coherent English and in a reasonable amount of time. Good job.
New subscriber here been watching your shorts for a while, great to see another fan of the lore. Must admit my knowledge pales in comparison to yours but the lore really affects how and what I play