Alto ts315's Review ( 1 YEAR LATER ) PROBLEMS IVE HAD!
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- I made this video for those always asking what problems ive had with these and do I still like them!
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I have full range of TS3 series 10, 12, 15 in tops and pairs of matching subs 12, 15 and 18.
Never blown any HF driver.
I am sound guy for band/s and provide support to a DJ company.
DJs typically want loud and expect to do it on 2 x TS315 without using any subs! First mistake. If you need to fill a room add more tops and stop overdriving the line inputs, hence never pip over 0dB... go study what +3dB into orange zone on your desk main outs is actually doing. The Alto subs have matching crossovers to feed it's tops with selections from 8inch to 15inch. DJs blow the HF drivers because too much LF (bleed) finds its way through the inbuilt crossover unit of the tops to the HF drivers when not using an Alto powerd sub.
For a band you need to keep out the kick drum and bass guitar from your tops. I always use an outboard crossover unit sending different audio to the tops and subs. In this case I do not feed the tops via the Alto subs, I run separate lines.
Full band for 300 people at rock concert levels indoors I use 4 x TS315. Two a side giving +3dB coupling as primary left right of stage with 4 x TS312 as side fills and 2 x TS310 as centre stage front fills doubled back to back with the stage monitors. With this I add either 2 x TS315S one left and right with 4 x TS312S centre front of stage with no spacing between. The coupling between all 6 is insane with minimal power alleys. The other option with less subs is 2 x TS318S with 2 x TS315S vertically stacked, however sitting pretty left right of the stage creates significant power alleys. The 4 x TS312S centred works a charm. Bigger drivers is not better unless one is outdoors.
Do not underestimate the TS310. I built a bracket to mount 4 of them in a 120 degree horizontal curved array and hoisted on a truss not less than 2.5 metres high, as MF-HF flown centre fill. Remember that the 2000Watt rating is peak and that the LF driver is 700Watt RMS and the HF is 300Watt RMS so it is a clean 1000 Watt RMS. Multiply that by 4 and add at least +6dB coupling... That TS310 array pushes 5000 Watts RMS. I used this along with 6 x 15inch and 4 x 12inch tops (total of 14 tops) with 4 x Dual 18 inch Wharfedale x218B for an outdoor trans party leaving all Alto subs out of the mix. We received complaints from a neighbouring farmer 8km away! Go Alto Go!
All tops and subs were fed from a crossover unit and a number of audio splitters giving each pair of tops its own direct feed. PS you cannot daisy chain multiple Alto speakers using in and out more than once. Each direct feed can only feed one extra Alto on the "through" re in pairs.
Rule number 1: Never set the Alto gain/volume past its top centre 0dB mark... 3mins past has been my safest push.
Rule 2: you mains out level on your mixing desk/console must sit comfortably in the green. Certain songs may occasionally light up the first orange LED...
Rule 3: If you are using Alto tops for live bands you must use a crossover unit or the kick drum will cause the LF driver to slap even though the tops are handling everything else comfortably. I set mine to 90Hz which still allows for a great range on the TS315 tops and champions vocals, lead and rythem guitars, keys and synth. I also start rolling off from about 5KHz as the Altos are known to be very fresh with loads of air.
Apply these rules and your gear will live to see many shows.
Always know that a good sound engineer will produce better sound on a cost saving PA than an idiot on a PA at 4 to 10 times the price.
I am the proud owner of 22 x Alto TS3 series. With this collection at the right price I am able to set up 3 venues comfortably with quality sound worth every cent where capacity in my game is key. For the same financial investment, what can I do with 2 or 4 point source Meyer Sound loudspeakers! Nothing... One gig with no subs 😔
Great, Im buying them tomorrow but wasn’t sure if I would need subs. I might get them later when the budget allows. Great review and very helpful thanks!
Great video! I still own and occasionally use the Alto TS115W (W is the Bluetooth). These (Ts315s) appear to be a step or 2 up. I have had a horn shut down for a second or two when I was really pushing the speakers. (Twice in 5 years) Thought it might be my controller or something but learned through those whose share on line that it can be common on my Model. (Have not heard of this issue on the 3 series). I’ve found that if I keep my Treble knob downtown around 1/2 or 2/3s when I am at really load levels, I have no issues. While listening, you can’t really notice the small reductions in the highs.
I have also owned the Alto Black Series which is STRONG!!!I Wonder if some of the tech on the 3 series came from the Black series.
I still have one of my subs from the Black Series and plan on using it with my old TS115W
Thanks for this video and your straight to the point explanation. I bought two TS115a 's 7 yours ago. For low budget speakers they sound awesome and they've never let me down. A year later I've bought two TS118S sub's to go with them. Although they're good sub's they're to heavy and big for easy transport. I should have bought a second pair of TS115a 's instead. Everybody 's talking about RCF Evox, Electro Voice Evolve's, Turbosound IP range nowadays, sure they're great, but 5 or 6 times the price of an Alto's TS315's. Are they worth this price difference?
got the TS315's myself. they've done well over 50 gigs now cruising at ~100db+ with up to 300 people. backed up with an 18" sub can do 500+. very good for price. i've owned most brands including bose, jbl, yam, and ev. the "315" model of the Alto TS line is the best bargain out there. clean, bright, decent punch, and never seemed hot. clipping light will come on when pushed hard.... i do use a BBE Maxcom to reign in peaks, and also add sub-harmonics and highs with the sonic maximizer. great bit of kit.... i DO NOT like the shitty composite board type cabinets (or whatever crap it is). cabinets have lasted (Gator bags) but seems flimsy for hardcore road use. grille is ok.
Highly recommend Getting a Pair(if you can find) Alto Black 12 or 15. Best Powered Speakers I’ve owned so far
Get rcf 735 mk4 and it will sound better
Ive had my alto ts212's for almost 4years and still going strong the only reason why people blow the high driver is cause they dont check to see if they are clipping if you treat them well they can last years and years
There are other reasons like when the contour is used then the EQ on the controller mixer is adjusted causing extra stress on the tweeter. Best to leave it flat and EQ from the mixer.
Even the best speaker systems will have their high-range killed with clipped output. As long as your amp can deliver clean signal to the speakers they should be okay. A clipped signal to the speaker is essentially feeding the coil DC and it becomes a very effective heating system.
I have the TS410's running with a Turbosound Milan 18 and OMG i got lucky. I wanted a more focused mid-range so i went with a 10" but there's no way they can roll solo they need backing with a sub and Turbosound is a steal at any price. When I have used them playing out here in Chicago i have received compliments on them and the mix of 18" to 10" where they work well together. Before the Milan sub I tried the Mackie thump 15 and that thing was awful - Sounded like hitting a stack of cardboard with a wooden bat. The Alto is a very nice sounding speaker. I have older EV force 15's that need power and when i need a BIGGER System i roll those out with my amp racks for the tops and Bottom witch i know / feel sounds WAY better when running a traditional rack crossover and powered amp set up.
Nice!! Video review✌️ just got a Pair Of ALTO TS415 & i Luv Then💪
QSE JBL & Mackie are all Overrated Brands
I watched your original review on this which convinced me to buy these and I have had no issues and I’m currently looking to get either a ts315 or Ts318s sub only going to get one sub so I’m debating on which to go far
Get the ts318s you will not be disappointed. The TS315s is OK but doesn't have a low frequency compared to the ts318s.
Love the ts315s ... Got 6 units. Five blew in less than year of use. Replaced the tweeters and within months another 2 had tweeters blown again. All within 18 months. Love them but frustrated with the problems.
Yeah I’ve seen a lot of people with the same complaint.. Speaker sound good but the Tweeters just dont hold up. .Fortunately I haven’t had that issue yet..
sounds like you could be cooking your signal and running out of desk headroom... i own these TS315's and use comp/limiters with them at all times... either that or a "set up" drive rack etc.... but i like my old BBE Maxcom for the main FOH stereo feed coz it has real knobs and a Sonic Maximizer. haven't lost a speaker for a long time.... cosmetically damaged yes. blown no. did have one 15" Black Widow sub that sucked in the little foam dust cap at the rear breather of the coil and chewed that up. obviously checked and replaced the rest right away... 10yrs ago did blow some JBL horns before comp/lim. too.
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS INFO
I use a TS312 as a keyboard amp. Works like a charm. I don't push it hard, but it can go louder than the band wants to hear. My organ patch sounds phenomenon through it.
Do you use both inputs on the speaker or just 1? Like a full stereo sound?
@@marchangel7462 I do mono out of the keyboard into one input on the speaker.
I just bought two new alto ts312s. Amazing sounding until the third time they were turned on. One of them no longer will power up at all. No blue light. No fuse. Never got turned up past 50% just at home before trying them on stage. Damn shame!
Hmm thats weird... ! I havnt had that issue YET lol
Great review man, been looking at rcf etc which of course will be undoubtably better but at a cost and right now I need to buy pretty much a full setup due to being out of mobile djing for so long, so you think if they're well looked after and not limiting regularly the top horn tweeter should be fine?
Looking at getting a pair with the ts318s subs :)
Hey bud ! Glad I was able to help!
@@kelvinwoodmusic If you want to use a sub then try the TS310 they are amazing .
KelvinWoodMusic we use that set up with our band and they’re more than capable check out our video Alto ts318s & ts315 tested by Ges Rogers Union Gap Thanx
Personally as a mobile DJ who owns the ts2 series, I ll advice you to get the 15 tops and 15 subs for 2 reasons. 1. You may take only the your tops to most venues which re usually small for private functions of 50 - 100 guests and these will give you best of both world. We all know that mobile dj like things portable for easy transportation.
2. You can go for the 15s hence the price difference with 12s & 10s is not that much but there's a clear differrnce in power output.
I'm planning to get them sir. My use case is 4500 sqft run with almost 100 guests
I still have a pair of original tx12 speakers, never blown anything still going 5 years later.
This is good tips.
I’m looking to finally upgrade my JBL’s EON 10g2. Will these make a notable difference?
I just brought a pair from Guitar Center today. They are still in the box. Do you any particular sub or subs that you would recommend with these?
Bman Hemi4ever qsc kw181 .. or maybe even the subs by alto. !
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Hi, I have notcied that the HI, MID are gone when DJing sound is really
bad, very bassy, not clear whatsoever, I believe it may be the Tweeter. I
only bought these speakers less than 10 months ago and have used them
only about 6 times a small events? Is this normal? Do you think I would
be covered with Warranty or any advice you can give me?
I have heard situations where people lose the highs in these speakers.. I havnt had that issue yet . But yes they should be covered
I like the alto"s but i just need them for vocals in my band. Undisided as to buy the 10s, 12s, or 15s. Any advice ????
I mean to me bigger is better but it all depends on what you want to carry and have to lug around
For vocals I feel like u should get the 12
The horn goes because the user turns the volume knob into beyond the "line in" to the "mic" position. It's only one knob for line in and mic.
yes correct!
I've burn two horn driver. What's best replace in your opinion?
I have no idea.. I havnt blown any yet,
Theres issue on horn i replacement mine to different parts crown cy300
Kamusta boss kasya ba cy300 at ok lng ba quality dba nag baho quality ng sounds
Can you run a metal band through them?
This is what I also wonder((:
I should have mine on Friday using them on Saturday, Most of what I do is Metal! I’ve been using Mackie Thrash 212’s since January 2022 inside outside they’ve not let me down! The extra SPL and Clarity is what I’m looking for…. Look to my ch @banjofoh where I will do an unboxing and side by side!
not just 2 of these by themselves no// you would smoke them.
@@Tech360Dallasthere are bands that blow meyersound line array speakers. Meyersound is overpriced and overrated for what they are. They are more for jazz and mellow rock music. For large metal bands, tri or quad amplified line array passive or full horn loaded speakers and amps in vibration isolated racks are the way to go.
i love them i turn down mids and highs. i am not a name chaser so for what i need they work great i just subbed to your channel if you ever get a chance come check out my channel i did reviews of the Altos TS308 and TS310. thanks again
the comparable jbl is the prx not the eon, which is alot more $$$
Why do the horns blowout so easy? All my dj jobs are all small parties. Not much power need. HELP
Thats a common issue with these speakers.
The horns go then ive heard the low end driver craps out.
But so far i havnt had any issue with mine.
@@Tech360Dallas Thak You
I just got a TS315 and there’s some audio hiss when I turn it on does anyone know how I can fix this?
use a trs 1/4" jack balanced into the input, the one with 2 black stripes on the jack.
Mam tak samo
Do you still DJ?
Not as much as I used to.. I like being on the lighting side of it more than n e thing
Ts 315 vs Mackie Thump 15A best bang for the buck? Pls help.
315s for sure. Mackie arent there I've owned both and honestly I find them shit. Altos have done me so well and I love them so much. Great sound quality too
@@lollol-hk6fv Thanks so much. The price is about the same. I want something that does not break and can last for 10 years, good and clean sound rather than loud sound.
I myself have both some old PS 4L and TX215 600W and am quite happy.
Buy a jbl eon 610