Domino Follow-up [video
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Lots of talk and not much action in this video as I answer some of the questions raised and comments made in the previous "10 years of Domino" series. Enjoy!
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I'm an expat Brit living in the US. I own both Dominos and have done since 2011 and 2013 respectively. As well as the accuracy, I recommend the fact that you an work a full 8 hours and there's no dust. I also use them both for other things such as hinge mortises and making clamp holders, by using through plunges with a 14mm bit. It's great for Bessey Tradesman style and heavy duty clamps. You can also make chisel racks in a jiffy.
Nice! Never thought of that application! 👍👍
Preaching to the choir. I've happily used the Domino 500 for maybe 12-15 years, so I'm definitely in the choir! Festool schone Gotterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium! Excellent discussion!
Thank you! 👍
It's nice to see a honest long term review of a tool we see you using nearly every video and paid for with your own money (and spent even more of your own money fixing the niggles just about every tool from any manufacturer comes with). So much of TH-cam is full of videos where a new product is pimped out to 'influential people' in return for a review. Then either returned to the manufacturer, or, seen languishing in the shop never to be used again because they didn't really find it that useful despite the glowing review they gave it! Keep it up.
Thanks! 👍👍
Very true. Well said Simon. Too many other TH-camrs push Festool down your throte without giving it a balanced view of what else is around for comparison. Festool make good stuff but its not the best at everything. Peter Millards videos are much more honest and take into account other manufacturers which is great.
@@nixy102 Yes, I have some of the stuff Festool is unique for such as a Conturo, MFT, MFS, VacSys. I also use their rails but a Dewalt tracksaw and routers, a Lamello Zeta etc.... There's lots of great products outside 'the system' which actually integrate just fine. Peter's videos show real work been done! Amen.
In regards to your comments about track saws Peter, that’s exactly what I’ve done. I am a keen home diyer who has started expanding my woodworking projects. I’ve bought Aldi’s Workzone track saw to kind of learn my way with it before hopefully moving up to the festool where I think I would then appreciate it more. Most people don’t buy a Porsche the day they pass their driving test, in my case it was a clapped out Cavalier 😀
Have to say I've got lots of Festool kit, never had a single failure!
I selected the Makita track saw because it was highly recommended and I don't use it enough to justify a higher priced saw - I also got some second hand unused track for free - I bought the corded version because it will outlast the Makita battery platform - I do however own Festool sanders and a Domino - If I used the track saw everyday it would be a Festool. Festool are worth every penny paid. Great series of Videos!
After years of making do with cheap(ish) tools, I bought a Mafell track saw and Domino a few months ago. What a difference. Gone are the days of spending hours trying to get tools set up to make a few accurate cuts.
I returned an Erbauer biscuit jointer without even turning it on. The play in the fence/plunge mechanism was shocking. So I agree with your point about cheap alternatives - If lower priced dominos come onto the market in a few years, one will still need to buy a Festool if accuracy and quality are required.
Enjoyed this series and if I were still contracting out I might just purchase one. I remember sanding like a lunatic because of just a fractional mis-alignment of the dowels. Those were the days! Lol Keep 'em coming Peter!
Thanks for this one Peter. Good to hear of the Domino's longevity and that of its bits. I bought a DF500 a couple of years ago. It was a special treat for me as a hobbyist woodworker. It's performance has been flawless and it's a joy to use. I agree with your comments about cheaper tools widening the market and not reducing the market share of the big, quality players. Thanks also to the link to the Supplementary Manual!
I have a Domino and totally agree about the bits. I wish Router bit companies would make router bit that would last somewhere as long.
I have to believe that they could if they wanted to. The Festool bits are unbelievably good, I’ve been totally impressed by them.
Thanks a lot for your well done videos.
Enjoyed that thank you Peter. You are right about technical manuals and as an engineer I find it insulting that a company would spend so much on R&D, Marketing and Business lunches yet neglect the production of competent technical manuals. Absolutely no excuse these days of CAD/CAM and of course desk top publishing- it has never been easier.
After buying a Festool Domino 500, the prevalent advice is to also buy the Systainer with the assorted dominos and additional size bits. Would you recommend instead to just hold off on all those different size bits and dominos and just stick with the 5mm bit that came with the tool and just buy 5mm dominos? It seems like you’ve been getting along just fine with one size bit for all these years. Thanks as always Peter.
A lot depends on what you’re planning to do with it. My focus was firmly on cabinet making, so the 5mm bit and 5x30 dominos were perfect. If you’re joining bigger timbers then you’ll need the scope of bigger bits and dominos, but yes, I worked for years with just the 5mm bit, though I do have the full set of bits now. HTH P
I've spent the last 10 years convincing myself that I don't need one of these. But today, after building and fitting 9no. door frames in an 18th century house, finding out that every one is a different non-standard size, and then getting the follow-on job of building 9no. odd-sized 4-panel doors to fit the new frames (which must all be completed and hung inside a week) - I'm now thinking "Hmmmmm ........."
Well, with that amount of work in you can probably make good use of one Kevin 👍👍
Being a Domino user myself for years (both, the DF-500 and the 700 XL), I actually learned some things from your little series. Thanky you very much, highly appreciated.
You said ‘Durability’ a fair few times in this video. That’s what you pay for. I have the XL and every time I pick it up to use it I understand how much engineering that has gone into designing a tool like that. Also I have tennis elbow and picking it up literally brings me to tears. The pain is worth the joy it brings to use.
Yes - after 10 years of professional use I think it’s worth repeating, lol! 👍👍
I was going to ask the question about the bits, but that got answered. Thank you for the reply and the great videos.😊👍🏻
Brilliant and totally frank
My thought on the expiring patent is, that when another firm might make a domino machine with the same precision and quality as festool does, the price might come very close to the festool price anyway.
Comment on a 2 year and 4 month video? Why not. I just built a pair of bookcases and used 88 dominos per bookcase, only 10 of which were the 2nd width (the other 78 were the smallest width). Use the built in stops and the cross-stop accessory I was able to cut most dominos without having to mark the board... which is such a time saver and proved to be so much more reliable. The old say "buy once, cry once" holds true. I'm a hobbiest for sure so the cost took me a few years to take to the plunge, but one project in and I can already see the benefit.
Why not indeed Brian! I’m still here 👋 Good to hear your first project went well - they really are a game-changing tool, and the most flexible of all the jointing systems. Not cheap of course, but then neither is our time. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop haha… watching all your videos that mention domino and you reply… nothing worth mentioning other than my own amusement… thanks for putting these videos together!
Absolute pleasure - thanks for watching! 🙌👍
With regard to track saws, I have done the full gambit. Home made, Sheppach, Festool. Each has been better than the previous model - in particular the dust collection, soft start, accuracy, self adhesion (for want of a better term) of the track on the timber surface. No regrets with the upgrade path. The home made one was scrapped and my son was really pleased to get a free Sheppach tracksaw! This must be the longest short video you have done. Thanks as always
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@@10MinuteWorkshop Actually think I am on a similar pathway at the moment with joining methods: 1. Drill a dowel hole(s) in the first piece, place the stud markers in each hole, mark the adjoining piece, drill dowel hole(s), glue. clamp. - 2. Biscuit joiner, cut, glue, screw. or Pocket holes (current alignment method). - 3. Domino 500 (next). I think that the domino purchase will be sooner rather than later seeing that they hold their value so well.
I bought the Kreg track saw and table. Love it its was $900 and and that was table with wheel fild ability and it came with track and saw. I couldn't touch Festool table and saw fir twice that. Don't get me wrong I love Festool
I agree I can’t really see a £100 domino on an Aldi shelf any time soon but find it hard to believe Bosch or Makita couldn’t turn out a Domino equivalent for £500.
In one way you have to hope that there won't be a £100 Domino copy, based on the really poor quality and basically almost unusable copies of the Mafell DuoDoweller that appeared a while back, and the number of poor quality cheap biscuit jointers that there have been on the market for years. I suspect that attempting to produce an "everyman" copy of the Domino would just end up with there being another poor quality, inaccurate tool out there. When you start getting up to £300 and over on a tool like this it puts the tool far more into the professional tools market which then begs the question of just what size that market actually is (I'm sure that Festool already knows) and whether it would be worthwhile for another manufacturer to invest in developing their own version
One thing I have found the bigger DF700 useful for is sash window repairs where spliced components can be securely jointed with sipo Dominos. Not a use I'd have considered at first, but has made the purchase well worthwhile even for the few dozens windows I've repaired
It’s not unreasonable to expect the price of a tool to stay the same or possibly drop over time. The DF500 has gone up 10%+ year on year for at least the past 2/3 years. I just feel Festool are exploiting their customers some what, although I obviously expect them to make money this feels a little like profiteering.
The value of a tool is what the market will bare. As for profiteering, that is the reason a company exists.
Michael Kelly as Tesco and various other former highly successful organisations have found if you think attracting customers is difficult, try keeping them. Customers are a fickle bunch, as I’m sure Festool have found now dozens of manufacturers produce track saws, for longevity you need to foster a relationship with customers and at least give the illusions you value their business. This isn’t something festool seem to do, a lot of companies have gone to the wall exactly for this reason.
Enough people are prepared to pay a premium for quality. I have a scheppach track saw you couldn't make furniture with it. It's cheaper for a reason.
Very good thanks! Also the Festool 3 year theft insurance is a bonus!
Hi Peter, I have said before that I have the "parkside" tracksaw and although it was cheap against "Festool" I really like it and it does everything I want from a tracksaw. I don't use it that often but I am finding that I use it more than I first thought. Maybe if I was using it every day I might find some fault with it but apart from changing the blade as soon as I got it (I have always put a good blade into all my saws) I have not had any problems and I am very happy with it.
Exactly what I mean in the video John - cheap tracksaws aren’t taking sales away from eg Festool, they’re expanding the markets 👍👍
I also have the Parkside tracksaw with a better blade, and bought a Festool 1400mm track (as well as, for kicks, a systainer to store it in)... For my amateur use, I do not see what I'm missing against a TS55 as it works extremely well and is compatible with most of the Festool ecosystem of accessories.
Beautiful command of the language. I love the English.
Thank you! 👍
thank you for the link on the supplemental manuals. I printed them spiral bound and they are an excellent supplement to the tool.
All smiles at the 'Punching' through because of not changing the setting. I predominately use the 6mm, It's my habit because of the 3:1 ratio. and of course I forgot while jointing up some rails. A few swear words bounced around the workshop.
Many times people forget that starter tools (aldi, chinese...) are not called professional tools for a good reason, that they won't be keeping them for a long period of time or that they will outgrow them before the tool wears out.
A very honest and balanced review Peter. Thank you
Re the 5 vs. 6mm Domino question, I think the joint will be stronger for having the extra 1.5mm of material on the edge of the carcase, rather than having an extra 1mm of Domino thickness; the Festool Dominos are hardwood so are going to be stronger than the MDF. So impressive that the original bit is still capable of doing professional work after 10 years or so! Great video.
Thanks! And yes, you’re almost certainly right about the extra thickness in an MDF carcass 👍👍
I've had a df700 for a few years and have an adapter so I can use a 6mm bit. I really don't use it anywhere near enough but would never get rid of it. The ability to knock together kitchen carcasses in minutes and accurate every time is hard to do any other way.
I have made gates, doors, windows. All of them spot on and made in a fraction of the time it used to take me.
The 1/3 rule for thicknessing tenons really applies when materials used are all the same. A 6mm domino in MDF would, I think, make for a substantially weaker joint than with a 5mm domino. The beech that the domino tenon is made of is much stronger than MDF, so the joint will fail when the MDF fails. Better to not weaken the MDF further by cutting a thicker mortice in it. (Perhaps there's even a case for reducing to 4mm dominos if it was found that the joint needed to be a little stronger..?! Worth an experiment..?!)
Very true; 4mm Dominos are only 20mm long unfortunately, so I don’t think they’d fare too well - but you never know until you try. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I'm sure there's a way to make longer 4mm dominos. ;-) But the point is, the fatter the domino, the thinner the MDF; 6mm (instead of 5mm) would make the weakest material in the joint even weaker.
I must be doing something wrong as I've already gone through 2 bits. However this had been more noticeable when using traditional wood rather than MDF. I guess when you are using it everyday ( I'm more of the occasional user) you become used to handling it or attachments to utilise. I think it has been the vertical plunges that have been the problem so the domi plate should help out here.
As always Peter thanks for your common sense approach and excellent video production values.
Thanks Tim! I’ll definitely have some more domino videos out before too long! 👍👍
Thanks for a very informative talk. Will end up buying one! I know!
Kept meaning to comment on this but watch it on the telly so tricky - anyway, great series! Answered a lot of questions I had about the domino. The through-tenon capability is a major miss on the biscuit jointer. If I need back-to-back joints then I have to off-set the biscuits on the next row so they don't hit the biscuits of the previous row... if that makes sense. Do you ever run longer dominos through for back-to-back joints or do you also off-set them? (hope that makes sense!) 👍👍
Cheers bud! I’ve done longer tenons for back-to-back joints a couple of times and it works really well. One of the few times I’ve made my own long tenons - they’re usually wider, if I’m home-brewing. If space allows then it’s easy enough to offset/stagger the dons, though. Yeah, it’s a very flexible, versatile tool, handy for such a wide range of joints; most expensive hand-held power tool I’d bought when I first got it - probably still is! No regrets though. 👍👍
Right on point
I have the duo dowler and find it very very accurate with zero wriggle room.Thats my issue with it ,slows everything up
My domino on the other hand quick ,strong and accurate with wriggle room to boot
Good tip on the 5 x 30 dominos will try on next build
All the best Peter ,Venice Beach ,CA (Formerly Highbury Nth London)
Great video, had a little laugh to myself having forgotten to reduce a depth of plunge when cutting into a 15mm board, when set for 30mm domino. Ops offset and cut all the 12mm first..
Excellent video series Peter... I have the df500 and the domi plate and wouldn’t be without them. I did consider the xl700 when I was originally getting it and was aware of the Seneca adaptors for the smaller bit sizes, but quite honestly unless you are doing large scale external joinery for example I found it a tad heavy and unwieldy for the normal jobs I use mine for..
Thanks Mike. Yes, that was my take originally on the X - that I just don't have the need for it. However, as I suspect with many thangs, if you have it you'll use it! But I'm not unhappy with my choice. 👍
Really enjoyed this series Peter and its pretty much made my mind up to purchase one. The resale value is incredible too !
Thanks! 👍👍
Whoops, the first of your spare bits is a dowel bit for 5mm shelf pins rather than a domino bit, so maybe you only have 1 extra ;)
I have Also had mine for over 10 years, no broken bits including the 4mm that I use quite often. Completely agree on the Domiplate, mine is a early version so not anodised, it makes it much easier to avoid mistakes DAKMHIKT. :)
A worthwhile series even for some Domino owners, I picked up a tip or 2,
Thanks
Jerome
The telltale apart from the brand point tip is the polished shaft with no flair that is needed in the 5mm Domino bit
Hi Jerome. No, it’s a Domino bit - threaded shaft and everything. I agree, the brad point/lip & spur end is different - that’s the first time I’ve had it out of the box for the video, I’ll have another look at it when I’m back in the workshop later, see if there’s a number on it. 👍
The brad-point bits all have threaded shafts but it is smaller(5mm?) than the domino(6mm?), they also have the stepped size at the head and the cutting end is black as is yours, the domino bits are all ground at the end as is your spare. I'll bet a virtual drink on it being 406953 not 493490, I have a flight in a short time so can't make an illustration video. anyway not so important great information anyway@@10MinuteWorkshop
Thanks Jim.Turns our it’s a 491066 - 5mm dowel not with an 8mm shank. Both bits bought at the same time, first time I’d opened that box was on the video. So I guess I have a spare shelf pin but, lol! 👍👍
Hi those supplemental manuals are great, super useful thanks for the heads up hadn’t heard of them before. 👍
Pleasure! 👍👍
Glad I ran across your Domino series. I am looking at purchasing a 500 series unit. Couldn't find the manual link in 5his video but went back to the #2 one and downloaded it. So far it looks really good. Between your series and that manual I should be able to make an informed decision. Thanks for the great series on Domino's.
Thanks! 👍
Another great and informative video Peter. Thanks! JimE
I purchased the Triton Dowler second hand for about $100 US. There are very few videos about this unit, and they range from frustration to "it works with mods and caveats". I would say that most users of this unit are people like myself who couldn't justify the Domino, and were hoping that the dowler would come close enough for small scale use. “Sharp edge woodworking” did a video in which he describes the mods he made to get it to work for him, but in use my unit had a different problem, the bits were not parallel to the fence. I immediately went on the triton site and registered it, and sent it in for a warranty repair in the US. The reference face that includes the fence was replaced with new part... It sounded like new ones had been produced that allowed more or better adjustment. It appears to be back in spec, but I have not had a chance to do a full test. I don't know if Triton normally has such great customer service, or if they just quietly fix the units that are out of spec because they are aware of the flaws. That said Peter, I'd be interested to hear what your issues were with the units you tried. Did you ever contact Triton?
Yes, I did an interview with Chris (Sharp Edge Woodworking) about his Triton Doweller, which unfortunately never saw the light of day as I gave up on the comparison. The little clips I show in this vid are the essence of the problems I had with the Triton; first one had the fence out of square to the drill bits by a little under 1mm between the bits ie 1mm in 32mm - you can imagine how out of alignment that would be over the length of a kitchen cabinet, let alone a wardrobe. The other was so poorly put together that it wouldn't plunge more than about 8mm (see second clip). The third had both faults. All were returned to the dealer, who essentially refused to sell me a fourth until they'd checked all their stock. I never got as far as contacting Triton, no, just the supplying dealer.
UPDATE.: I finally did a full test after the repair, unfortunately they fixed the original issue, but the bits where shifted to left of center, and enough that it was too far out to shift the clear window. There was some resistance from the US distributor to repair it again because a lot of time had passed ... I never had the Dowler working for me and was using a biscuit jointer. I really needed a stronger option on a recent project and found the problem.
I just got it back and it was closer to center but to right side 🤪. I had enough and put it on eBay and it sold immediately for what I paid for it used. I even stated the issue in the listing. Strongly considering the domino!
Thanks so much for doing this series Peter. As you say there are a lot of other videos on the Domino already but I'd much rather have your opinion as it's you I (we) follow, watch and learn from. I purchased a Domino last year and so far have largely used it with MDF which has given me fast and accurate joinery which I never achieved before. I'd buy one again if anything happened to this one. I was glad you included the domiplate as although I've not suffered with 'drift' I find the domiplate makes things even more efficient, accurate and easier to handle. Thanks again.
Cheers Chris! Yep, my only regret with the Domiplate is not getting one sooner!👍👍
Peter, thanks for the videos on the Domino 500. I totally agree that prices second hand are still high and it's not worth buying used when for only a £100 or so more you can buy new. You don't know the history of a used machine and probably there would be no warranty. I beat myself just prior to Xmas as to whether I could justify the Domino machine but took the 'plunge' and bought one new from Axminster along with the three year warranty that's included. Prices of these machines will only go one way ~ up. Especially with Brexit looming, any reason for a price hike! Thanks again.
I wont be buying one, because im a Yorkshireman and I don't need one … but really enjoyed this video, as always, with a good glass of Red wine of course, cheers Peter !
Oh, just rub it in why don’t you... #dryJanuary 😂😂👍👍🍷🍷Thanks!
Thanks Peter for another informative video and as a sufferer of tinnitus what fire alarm 😁
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Thanks for the review. Recently took the Festool "plunge", as a hobbyist it wasn't something I took lightly! MFT/3, TSC55, OF2200 and the Domino. Complete game changer! Good to know they should last! Would you consider making similar videos on good Clamps?
Wow - that's jumping in both feet first! Nice haul! Hadn't thought about making a video about clamps - I'll add it to the list! 👍
Think I spoke too soon...upon 3rd use of the OF2200 it started sparking and eventually stopped altogether. Now continuously blowing the fuse. Hopefully Festool's warrenty will take care of it. What does a pro do in this situation, surely it would mess up the job entirely???
Is it a new 2200? I’d chuck it straight back to the dealer for replacement. Don’t put up with any ‘we’ll return it to Festool for repair’ cr@p - it’s not fit for purpose. Generally if you’re trade, if the dealer won’t play ball and a very recent purchase needs to be returned for attention you’d get a Festool rep stopping by with a loaner. Not that I’ve ever seen a Festool rep, personally... but considering the size of the purchase, I’d expect the dealer to be falling over themselves to take care of it for you. Let me know how you get on 👍
Contacted the dealer...they weren't interested. Passed me to Festool, thankfully the dealer offered a warrenty registration service. All my tools were listed in MyFestool, reported the fault online and UPS turned up the next day and returned it 3 working days later. Turns out the Field Assembly needed replacing! So glad I registered it now - thanks for the advice.
Thanks for the reassuring series of Domino videos. I am amused that the same bits have fallen off your Domino as mine... I worry about the weakness of the dust port and find the Base Support Bracket very unsatisfactory, so a Domiplate is a likely future acquisition. There is very little I do that does not use the Domino and would hate to got back to biscuits and dowels.
Thanks again. The supplemental manual is outstanding. I also appreciated your discussion on why you use the 5x30 primarily. That is the kind of insight I am looking for. I agree with your comments on tool competition post patent expiration. I originally purchased a DeWalt track saw. I became so frustrated with the lack of a system and poor precision that it launched my investment into Festool. I wasted so much time trying to overcome shortcomings and nearly as much money on that failed experiment. I'm now happier with a set of tools that work well stand alone and as a system.
Exactly! Hard to put a cost on the time you spend making tools work as they should!👍👍
Looks like a router bit to be used with the LR-32
Peter, you convinced me. I looked around and found a used DF500 (not the kit) for $700. It's arriving in the mail this week, and returnable if it's not up to snuff. Your description of the longevity and resale value was the tipping point. I'm going to sell off some other little-used tools to help with the budget. I've thought it through and having a small workshop, this makes a lot of sense.
Getting the tool without the accessories: looks like there are some better accessories that I can purchase later, the domiplate and a self-centering guide from RTS Engineering (home of the supplemental manual). Thanks for your great reviews on the Domino!
Hey, nice one!👍 Agree about the accessories - you can spend your money better tbh - but the Domiplate should be on your radar; don’t know the other you mentioned. I’ll take a look, thanks! BTW, I’ve never heard of anyone who bought a Domino and regretted it - hope it lives up to your expectations! 👍👍
The attachment is at dominoguide dot com.
Can't wait for Fridays action.
Hi Peter, Purchased a Triton Duo Dowel Jointer and I'm just trying it out. The one and only issue mine had was the square part of the hinge and miter arm was bottoming out on the housing and not allowing the machine to center on 3/4" material. Filing the hinge to where it was level with the rounded hinge solved the problem. It would be nice if Triton sold a template jig and a wider variety of bits for the machine, otherwise I love it.
Hi Mark, and thanks! Glad you got a decent doweller. Quality seems to be very variable - as I say I had three, all with serious out-of-the-box issues. 🤷♂️
I notice you don’t have any adds on your videos. Is that your choice or because I am in USA?
You do an excellent job of presentation and teaching. As you pointed out in the bookcase video which did not fit the alcove due to the radiator live and learn. Keep up the great job.
Thanks, but I do monetize through ads. If you're not seeing them it's likely that you've already watched one with an ad - youtube doesn't force them on you every time. 👍
Superb video Peter.
Thanks Jason! 👍👍
The Domino is to second hand tool prices as a Golf is to second hand car prices......
Thanks for the Video. The first spare bit you showed actually is for the LR 32 System and not for the domino😁
Yeah, it’s been mentioned! Funny, as it was sold to me as a domino bit, and I honestly never looked at it before making this vid.
Hi peter, great vids, can you please do a short video on making internal shelves with a domino so that you can accurately line up the tops of the shelves? thank you Marc
I bought some Festool tools at an auction. Was put off by the price and then I got the 1400 router, 75 tracksaw, 6" Rotex sander for about half price. Now I have fallen into the Festool Vortex. After discovering the quality, I had to have more. The $80 Rigid vac worked well but apparently I NEEDED CT 26 Festool vac for a mere $700. And Then Came the DF 500 Domino and the Systainer full of dominoes and bits. Bought off Craigslist for over $1000. And I am an aging hobbyist. The Domino has been flawless. If I had any complaint it would be that it seems a bit fiddly or maybe I have not grasped the logic. The little gauge on the side that sets the height of the fence reads to the center of the bit but the bit remains a fixed height above the base plate. But the thing that sets the depth of the plunge, works off the tip of the bit. My broken brain sees this a two very different methods. OH! and punching through. I have gotten nearly as fast at making patches as I am at punching through. I could go on and on, but It might give somebody the opportunity to point out I am the Idiot, not Festool.
Nice haul! 👍 The gauge on the side that sets the fence height works to the centre of the bit, so it stays true regardless of which bit you have fitted.
The baseplate is a set distance (10mm) from the centre of the bit so that you can reference off the base if it suits you to do so. Apparently 20mm thick material is common in Germany, whereas most other places 18mm (3/4”) is common. Also why there’s a 20mm preset on the stepped side gauge but (maddeningly) no 18mm 🤷♂️
The depth setting works to the tip of the bit because that’s the depth you need to know e.g. 15mm plunge each side for a 30mm Domino. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop To borrow a bit of slang, I am chuffed you took the time to answer. The fiddly comment came for the fact I failed to adequately lock the fence on one of my early attempts. As I went down the edge, the slots got lower and lower, about a mm or two each time. The recovery was I custom set the fence for each opposite slot. Slide the bit into the offending slot, set the fence, turn around and cut the slot, rinse and repeat. This is what we call an I D 10 T problem. Thanks again.
My pleasure Barry. Some of the early Dominos had issues with the fence slipping - that was the issue that started the whole 'Domi-Plate' movement, so it may be worth just checking yours to make sure it will lock adequately. Otherwise they're a great machine.👍
I won the said Domino on eBay, I have the 700 but have recently found that smaller bits are needed the work I’m doing, but looking on eBay for a few months similar packages have been selling for £700 - £730, my max bid was £650 and it sold for £649.99
Ah, right, OK, nice one! It had all the accessories with it and it’s good to get the full package, and as you already have the XL then you know how well they’re nailed together. Out of interest, did you consider getting the bit adapters from Seneca Woodworking for your XL, or did you just want the physically smaller machine? Thanks! 👍👍
get the seneca extension bit i did and ended up selling my smaller domino never used it again
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yup. Got the 700 and the Seneca bit thingy. Whilst it's a little cumbersome with the smaller bits, it makes for a very versatile machine.
Peter Millard I did consider it but would need the shims etc to work with 12mm stock also a bit cumbersome simply for the speed and versatility I went for the 500, will how I get on and maybe try the Seneca adaptor in a couple of years and decide what to do then.
I've had conversations with you in the past about Domino pricing in the States. If my living were dependent on being a Joiner, where speed of production is important, I'd spend the money. As a proficient cabinet making hobbiest in the States, I've got other options, from dowels, to pocket hole screws, to rebates and crown staples, to even biscuits, all work with a trade-off between time and material costs. You answered my final questions about Domino in this video. I find it interesting that you standardized around the 5mm cutter, and surprised at how long your's has lasted. Thanks.
Thanks Todd! 👍👍
Awesome video!
PeterThanks for another informative video. As an enthusiastic hobbyist I am moving from « why would I need a Domino machine » to a position of « can I manage without one » ! Keep up the good work
Just helping make informed decisions, that's me 😆👍
Hi Peter, have taken the plunge( if you forgive the pun) and been to pick up my DF500. Decided on a new one and Screwfix with10% off giving a net price of £584 for the basic machine seemed a good deal to me. I have got to say how much I am enjoying your range of videos even though you are not doing my bank balance any good. Apart my my Festool addiction, recent deliveries have included a Miron set square, superior level , hultafors tape!. Now I am going to sit down to watch your track saw series. Regards
Very Helpful Peter as the one i bought second hand didn't come with instructions
Festool RULES
Or lures…. 🤔😂👍
bits can get blunt with oak after many cuts
Bits can get blunt with anything after many cuts. 🤷♂️
My bits are still good, but the base on my Domino is all scratched. I never even realized there was a scribed line there.
Mine is pretty old, but US voltage, so likely not quite as old as yours. Still has the round pins for spacing, though.
And yep. I punch through boards sometimes. Always makes me smack my head when I do it. The 5x30 trick is a good idea.
Yeah, my base is pr tty scratched up too; I had a precision-engineer pal re-scribe the lines for me a little while back, made a big difference 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ahh! That's why your scribed line is so much more visible. Mine is only visible if you hold it up to the light and stick your tongue out at the right angle. :D
...and standing on one leg; yeah, mine was like that before I had it dealt with! 👍
Especially on my drawer construction I use thru dominos. So depth is not as critical.
Pete...I don't think ANYONE would fault the performance & build quality of the festool , its just that a diyer is unlikely to need this level of service as opposed to a professional. So if a competitor WERE to bring out a model of more modest performance & lifetime (I mean actual man/hours lifetime)...it would suffice... 🙄
I would not expect Lidl or Aldi to produce one... but Ryobi or Metabo perhaps with a price point suitably aimed at our (diy) segment of the market.
Much as we all would love a Ferrari, most would never use it to the full so we will buy something more in our price/performance range. Simple economics really & if you are older , as I am (61y.o.) , a Festool would probably outlast ME ! 😅😅
👍😎☘
It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens when the patents expire, but in all honesty, if Festool have established a price-point for the Domino, I can't see any manufacturer leaving money on the table by massively under-cutting them. We'll see... 👍
im in 2 minds whether dewalt, makita or bosch would bother building a domino. its too specific and workshop based. they want more site tools. i t will be interesting to see what maffell and lammelo will do. hopefully something really cool
For the punters interest.
I have the XL 700 with Seneca small adaptor and 10mm shim. I have made lots of small things with it including using the 5 x30mm. In fact I seem to use more of the small dominoes than the big ones. So I am thinking of selling it and buying the 500, but wait, today I made a garden gate and use 10 x 80, the other week I made a floating shelf using 10 x 100. I have some benches coming up which again I will use large dominoes for. So maybe I won't sell it after all.
The game changer for me was buying the Lamello Zeta p2. Now I'm using that for my small work and cabinets etc.
However having the 700 in my reach as well as the Lamello gives me so much versatility I can't believe it. I may get the 500 one day but who knows. I'm a professional cabinet maker (I think I am😉) so I can easily justify the cost. All of these tools are worth it.
Thanks for that Nic! Yeah, I was thinking that the physical size of the 700 when working on smaller pieces could be an issue, but you have all the bases covered with the Lamello. Sweet setup 👍👍👌👌
Bang on point Peter!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Cheers Alan!👍👍
I got an incredible deal on my XL with a 12 /14mm domino starter kit. I paid 1600 AUD (890 pounds) for the whole thing. The current going rate is 2700 AUD (1500 pounds). According to the seller he bought it to make a dining room table and then have no need for it. He was trying to sell it for over a month and had no interest at all. His loss my gain. I can't think of a single project since i've owned the domino that i haven't used it. Combined with the DF700 to DF500 adaptor by seneca and I've got the whole domino range covered.
Nice! 👍👍
I reckon if the likes of Dewalt or Bosch made a domino for under £100 it would be a hit with DIY enthusiasts who'd only use it occasionally.
One of those bits is for the LR32
Yep.
only half way through video so will delete if comes up but..... can you do a video on connector which is best for what many thanks
oh and best way to go into a 45 degree cut
Hi Peter. This video is not in your Domino Playlist. Cheers.
I was wondering why you use the Domino upside down so often using the base plate extender. I have never done that and always have used the fence and the Domino right side up. Do you do the upside down/base plate extender method out of habit or do you find it to be more accurate and reproducible?
Using the domino upside down is the only way to use it with the domi-plate - it replaces the fence completely and makes it much more consistent. 👍
Hard to believe someone actually asked about 5 mm vs. 6 mm, but I suppose there's always someone who will. Used Festool Domino tools are equally as expensive here in the US as well, to the point that the second-hand market is almost non-existent. Right now there is ONE used Domino on eBay. Easier to buy new with the financing available.
Exactly! There’s so many ‘0% finance for 6 months’ offers around, even if you can’t find the full purchase price in one hit it becomes much more affordable. 👍👍
Brilliant. Thanks Peter. Watching this just before I fire mine up for the first time! Your timing is perfect. 😉👍
Hope it goes well Jim! Feel free to message me if you have any questions or hit any snags 👍👍
Nice follow up, Peter. Liked your previous 2 on the Domino as well. Totally enjoy your style!
I do wonder if maybe the first 5mm spare bit you show is actually the bit for the LR32, not the Domino, though.
No, LR32 bits are regular router bits, but I agree it has a lip & spur / Brad point style to it. 👍
Quick question Peter, I only have one functioning hand, do you think I could safely and accurately use the smaller domino 500? It’d be for smaller furniture projects like coffee and side tables. Speed isn’t of the essence as I’m happy to use clamps and jigs to replace my right hand. If not, have you any recommendations for a jointing machine that a one handed work worker could cope with? 😀 Cheers
Hi Leo. Wow, again - that's something I hadn't considered, at all, so thank you for making me think! You'd need to use something like the domi-plate to make it easier to clamp, I think, but I don't see why you couldn't use it, provided it was held firmly. Let me try it, and get back to you - probably won't be today, just FYI.
I definitely won't be buying festool track. Saw when mc allistar with blade upgrade and makiita rail does the same job
Does the same job, but in a different way. 👍
Link for the Seneca adaptor in the UK, for using the smaller cutters sized for the 500 on the XL700, therefore 4mm to 14mm cutters on the one machine.
www.toolovation.co.uk/seneca_cutter_adapter_p/swrts500.htm
Think I must be daft cos I cannot find the link to the supplementary manual you mentioned
In the description. Domino supplemental manual - studylib.net/doc/18565223/domino-supplemental-manual-by-rick-christopherson
Putting at 25mm domino hole though an 18mm board, yep, done that. I agree the bits last forever, my machine must be 5 years old now and the bits look as good as new. My go to domino size is 6mm but you make a good case for using 5mm so I'll give that a go. I don't think I've ever used the smallest size (are the 3mm or 4mm I forget). What I would like to see when the patent expires is a machine that covers the ground half way between the two existing dominos. I find that I don't use the smallest dominoes on the small machine and the larger machine wouldn't get used enough to justify me buying it.
Yes, 4mm are the smallest - I use them very rarely. I’d be really interested in having a domino that you could stop the ‘waggle’ & fix it centred, so it could be used for dowels, but I agree a ‘tweener’ domino machine would be useful - or just extend the plunge on the smaller one to ~40mm. 👍👍
Have you thought of trying a Pantarouter?
Great mini series, i've not seen much on the domino myself until now, thanks for making it. Just wondering about the bit replacement thing: you primarily use mdf right? 90% of jobs there abouts. You said about the special bit for birch faced ply, but have you used it much at all on woods hard/soft woods? Might that necessitate more frequent bit changes? Mdf is pretty much foam apart from the skin layer, you could chew it into shape.
Thanks again, lookimg forward to the next video. Keep up the great work online and offline
Thanks! No, the resins in man made boards make them much harder on bits wear generally, so it’s doubly-impressive that it’s lasted this long. 👍👍
Had my festool df500 8years and I broke the bit on my 5mm cutter that came with the tool I have no idea how it broke it just broke while in use bought a replacement cutter from Axminster 2years ago just move on these things happen just unlucky or it could have been user neglect but I now one thing I could never be without my domino
Many thanks
Yeah - I lnw I could just retire my original 5mm bit, but it's coe this far, I want to see how far it'll go now 😂👍
I wonder if we will see Screwfix etc knocking out an alternative to the actual dominos at a more reasonable price?
‘Part 4 coming soon. The 3 hour super cut of every mortise I’ve every filmed......’
Great job as alway Peter, although a tad disappointed you’re not a patent expert as well 😔
Now you know that would be longer than three hours... 😂😂👍
Peter Millard and I’d probably still watch it.....
I have a JessEm dowel Jig and I shall stick with it, the Domino is a waste of money
Hi Peter. Another very interesting film. I now feel much better as I purchased the DF500 Domino at the Festool road show last week. I totally agree about the manual as well pretty much useless to a hobbyist like me. I think I did download some of the supplemental manuals from Festool USA . Not had time browse all your films yet do you have a Domino for idiots episode? Cheers Brian
Thanks Brian! I don’t have any other vids specifically about the Domino other than this short series, but I do have a ‘Domino basics’ set of videos planned as I know there are quite a few new users out there. 👍👍
That first bit isn't a domino bit. The domino bit doesn't have paint anyway on the carbide tip. I wouldn't put that dowel router bit in a domino. The effects might be interesting though :0)
I honestly haven’t looked at it in 8-10 years, but it came in that box as a brand new domino bit. It isn’t a router bit - it’s threaded to fit the Domino, though fairly obviously I haven’t tried it, and am not likely to!
@@10MinuteWorkshop It looks a lot like part Festool 491068. I went to check mine and to my surprise it indeed has a threaded shank. I've only been into the domino for 2 years now. Maybe this kind of bit indeed was used before my time.
I’ll take a look at mine tomorrow, but they were definitely bought at the same time and arrives in the ‘Domino bit’ box. I agree though, it’s a different looking bit to the others! 👍
very interesting video again. 16 minutes for the price of a 10 minutes one. lol
What kind of joint did you use before there dominos? dowels?
what width do 5 x 30 mm have? is a dowel connection stronger than a domino connection? there dowels i use are o 8 mm and 35 mm, which is a problem when using 18 mm material because of the brad point on the drill bit. mostly i use 2 dowels next to each other, hth 30 mm, 25 mm from the corners and in between every 30 cm. it has to be done deadly precise, no room for play,and therefore it goes very slowly in comparison to dominos.
Thanks Hans. I tried dowels a few times early on but struggled with accuracy - both mine, and of cheap dowel jigs I was using - so mostly just butt-jointed, screwed & glued. I had a cheap biscuit jointer but again, struggled with accuracy. So I bought a Domino as soon as I could; it was the most expensive hand-held power tool I'd ever bought - probably still is - and I have no regrets whatsoever. 👍
I just bought a new Domino 500 last month here in the US for $1060. How much is that in pounds
About £770, so not far off what we pay here, which is about £720 street price, inc VAT. 👍👍
I'd love the Domino and despite the low per week outrun of costs it's still just too far beyond aspirational for me, I will have to stick with my biscuit jointer for the foreseeable future, that was a ridiculously good buy at £10 from a retiring joiner 9 (no pun intended). Re: the track saws, I picked up the Aldi Workzone Scheppach pattern version for fifty quid before Christmas. I'll be interested in your take on it, I've found the saw fairly good but the standard 140cm track made up of two 70cm pieces to have a poor join which halts the saw. I've also found the friction in the rubber to be less than I expected making it advisable to clamp to avoid drift.
Get the Festool FS1400/2 track, assuming it fits the Aldi machine. It's not always necessary to clamp as long as you blow off any dust from the grips
Thanks. Haven’t taken the Aldi out of the box yet, but will do soon. Agree with Gary, Festool tracks are by far the most grippy👍👍
@@hythewoodworkdesigns Thanks Gary, you've partially confirmed what I felt would be a solution. I'll investigate.
Hi sewob147. I like you would love the Domino but as an emerging hobby woodworker I can't at this moment in time justify the price. I do however own a Trend biscuit joiner and I wondered how you and anyone else reading would rate the biscuit as a joining method for plywood and MDF carcase assemblies. Yes I do understand that biscuits are more for making boards from narrow stock material but I have an alcove unit to make out of MDF and wondered what the chances are of this being a success using biscuits, especially when the unit will be fitted in and never moved about. Peter, do you have any comments ?
Biscuits do not add any strength to a joint, they only assist in the alignment.
Hi Peter, I have a df500 I bought new about two years ago so fence should be good based on your point about age. I still think the domiplate may be useful.
I have been thinking of getting a domiplate after seeing you use it in your builds. I am a little confused as in one of your other videos you said you did not see the point in getting the metric plate? Or something like, why would anyone get the metric version may have been your comment.
Can you advise why please as I do not want to spend 70 odd quid on the wrong or inferior version.
I assumed 12 and 18 mm offset for the plate would be better than imperial here in the UK with mainly those common sheet thicknesses, but perhaps I am wrong.
Also the uk stockist only seems to stock the metric version.
Thanks in advance.
(Hobby workshop only)
Sorry for any confusion. My comment was aimed at the fact that all sheet goods are nominal sizes; I’m sure Seneca woodworking make domi-plates that accurately place a domino centre at 3/8” and 9mm respectively, but in reality I’m equally sure that the 3/4” and 18mm boards are identical in everything but name - and are only ever nominally sized. I use the imperial domiplate because that’s all there was when I bought mine, I’m sure a medtrc one will work great. 👍👍
Completely agree with Triton dowler/biscuit jointer comparison. When the patent expires, likely there will be similar domino-like machines, but the chances of getting an affordable machine that has the repeatability and accuracy will be slim. You might get a Bosch or a Makita getting very close, but they won't be far off the Festool in price.
Buyer beware on the 3rd party bits - I bought a 3rd party Orange CMT bit for my DF500 (which is actually a half decent brand) but it was blunt from day one. I think there is fair amount of 'secret sauce' going on with the Domino, in terms of the reliability, accuracy and torque of the motor and the spec of the materials used in the bits, it isn't worth going cheap.
If you want an excuse to buy the 700 you could do a feature comparison (the 700 definitely has some more refined ones) between the two models. You're welcome 🤣
Haha, don’t think for a second that I haven’t thought about it 😂👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Come on Peter, you owe it to your fans. As you rightly point out, 😈 you could sell it on for near new price 😈 Or end up keeping it like anyone else would.
Full marks for using my own argument against me 😂👍👍
@@NeilDunlop it would serve him right to be hit in the wallet. I've 'had to' buy an OF1010 and TS55 since I've started watching this channel, while I only stopped by to check out the CTL-SYS! And now, to make matters worse, I'm actually thinking of charging people for some little jobs that I might otherwise have done for free, so that I can justify getting myself a Domino! From this channel to the Measuring Up podcast, it's a slippery slope which is so far costing me money no end! Of course, it's my own darn fault for only putting one toe over the pro line, but let's conveniently ignore that for now. Turnabout is fair play, Peter, we will just be sitting here waiting fo that Domino vs DominoXL video series. A 5 parter will do it, I think...
@@casparvanderburgh Don't watch NewBritWorkshop then 🤣
I have a b and q own brand duo dowler had is some years maybe 12 ish total crap as standard but remove one of the drill and it works fine you have to plunge more but takes about 15 seconds per plunge i can live with that i think its macalister bandq brand
Interesting, thanks! Only ever seen the Triton doweller, never realised B&Q did their own. 👍
just wondered what mdf you use i got some from bq and its a bit ropey
I use whatever MR MDF my local yard stocks. It’s usually Medite, occasionally Caber. I’m told the MR MDF that Wickes stocks is pretty good, though I’ve never used it. 👍👍