Helios 44m focus lubrication tutorial
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2017
- Details about how to disassemble, relubricate focusing ring and reassemble popular Helios 44m prime russian lens. I'm a professional lens seller/repairer (Jupiter, Zenitar, Helios, Mir, Vega and others) If you are seeking for tested and adjusted russian lenses, please visit my eBay stores at:
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Thank you so much! You explained this well and I managed to do this to my own Helios lens. My lens works much better now, thanks to you :)
This is the best video on youtube about Helios 44m. Thank you mate!!!!
glad it helped!
Did it! It took me 6 hours but i'm very happy because it's the first time that i open a lens. Thank you!
Thank you for the tutorial, took me a while but a full strip and re-grease and now mine works perfectly!
I didn't take out the whole optical tube. Just unscrew the front and back element groups and you don't need to make markings. This only makes it more complicated and you can mess up focusing. Once the lens groups have been removed I put the whole thing in a tub of Naphtha and put on new grease once it was cleaned. I can do this in 15 minutes without running the risk of messing up the focusing.
Thank you! Your instructions, especially with such calm delivery, were a great help. It took me 1 hour. Everything works perfect.
Thank you for the tutorial, it was extremely useful! It took me nearly 3 hours to lubricate my first lens and now it's buttery smooth.
Just subscribed brate, amazing tutorial, very detailed! It took me about 2h to make it to look like new. I hope you keep making these videos.Cheers!
The second small ball provides half-stop aperture clicks, if you use one ball you just get full stop clicks. The second ball and its detents are offset by a half in relation to the other side. If focusing fully open, it's actually easier to count full aperture stops when stopping down after focusing, than counting twice as many half-stops, so there is good cause to leave out the second ball!!
Many thanks for your guidance here - as always.
I'm still searching for a Jupiter 9 (the main type - M42, black, SLR/short barrel ) helicoid re-lube tutorial, I can't find one anywhere, and it seems like a lot of other people are looking also. I have two, a 1975 and 1978, and both are very stiff.
Hello!
Thank you for your input, will try to make such tutorial soon.
This saved my helios 44M thank you so much.
And wishing only if there's a way to remove rust from aperture blades 😅
Thank you so much! This was very helpful. I was able to do it in just under 3 hours.
Not bad, it took me almost 4 but now i have gone from a not working lens due to its stiff focusing to a lens that feels like a pleasure to work with...
I just purchased wide open aperture blocked Helios 44M-4 58mm full of dust and very dry rings... Can't wait to open it.
Excellent tutorial with good instructions! Top notch. At first i thought "hey, it's easy to dis-assemble ye old simple manual lens and re-lube it", but as the video got further and further it's evident one has to approach it with different mindset. No need to NOT to make it easy-going and fun, an experience you'll learn from no matter how it ends up, but it's important to pay attention to every step of the way, and then backwards. But i can already feel the satisfaction of successful operation. By dis-assembling one starts to really appreciate the level of engineering / craft underneath the construct, which are considered cheap and simple lenses nowadays. It's a real art, and when done right lasts the test of time. So with right tools, tips and mindset it's couple hops here and there and done. Well done!
Hi! Your reflections is exactly how i felt when first time opened and serviced this lens. Very high level of engineering. Excellnt build quality. As you say-top notch. Love this lens. Often use it on my nikon d600
I would say this is quite a complex lens. It's design goes back to 1920s. Later lenses are easier to service.
Thank you for the good tutorial. After many tries I managed to place both ball bearings in the aperture ring. I placed the first as you showed. The second I put into place with some grease and then added a 5 cm strip of plain paper on top of it between the ring and the ball, then when sliding the ring in place, the paper keeps the ball in place, and the paper can then be removed.
Can you make a video tutorial please?
I had a really hard time putting the second ball in.
I put it back in the way you said.
Thanks for your plan.
Great video! For the small metal balls, I have a trick/solution that I used with great results. Basically what I did is that I put one ball in with some grease to keep it in place (like you did) BUT for the second I have cut a thin piece/strip (0.5 to 1cm wide x 2 cm long) of a plastic bag and I used that over the other ball pressing the ring over the plastic (and the plastic pressed the ball in). This made it put the ball inside and the ring over it. As the thin plastic strip is lubricated it is rather easy to pull it out while keeping the ring in place.
Great tip, good to know, thank you
Can you make a video tutorial please?
I had a really hard time putting the second ball in.
I put it back in the way you said.
Thanks for your plan.
Hi Roman - thanks for the video - it came very quickly and will for sure help !! daniel from France
Hi Daniel!
This is not for helios 44m-6, but for helios 44m! It is not the same! Video for your lense will come soon.
ok roman
hey you promised for 44m-7 too, dont forget
Merci beaucoup pour le tuto et de ton temps.
I figured out how to put the two balls in. For the second ball you can use a small strip of scotch tape to hold it down. Once the aperture ring is in place you can then slide the piece of tape out.
Good morning. Thank you for the guide and I would like to ask if there will be a guide for cleaning oily aperture blades in the 44M model soon? Regards.
do you have a video for Lubrication of Helios 77-4? it has very stiff focus ring and aperteur blades do not work properly, i checked your Helios 77m-4 repairing tutorial video, did you also include ring lubrication in that video? or can i do the same for 77-4 with this video?
Thank you for this video. I found a solution to put back the two balls of the aperture ring. I put the two into place, I press one inside its place with the aperture ring and then, with a very thin sheet of plastic above the second one but under the ring, I press the aperture ring against the second ball and then I extract the plastic sheet. It maintains the second ball into place.
Nice work!
Спасибо большое за подробную инструкцию. Видео реально помогло не наделать глупых ошибок и собрать все именно так, как оно было. Добавлю только, что на алюминиевом кольце с многозаходной резьбой возле второй отметки желательно ставить еще точку, чтобы отличать ее от первой (в моем случае обе метки оказались близко к отверстиям под винты и их было бы трудно отличить). Также @datanord уже писал о том, что второй шарик апертурного кольца можно вставить с помощью полоски бумаги. Я же для этого использовал щуп для измерения зазора на 0,12 мм. Щуп из стали и он более жесткий, чем бумага. Получилось с первого раза. Смазку использовал молибденовую, для редукторов - посмотрим, как послужит.
Я сделал ошибку после удаления. Второй мяч забить нельзя. Я сейчас раздражен и не знаю, как войти.
Я посмотрел на ваш метод и до сих пор не могу понять, как вставить второй мяч.
I put it back in the way you said.
Thanks for your plan.
Thank you so much!!!
Hey! Great video. I just purchased a Helios lens that had an anamorphic oval insert. I didn't realize that it was there until it came in the mail. I removed the anamorphic insert, but in the process broke the aperture/focus mechanism. Any suggestions for how I could repair it? Or should I send it to someone?
Hi!
It is difficult to reassemble it by yourself if you're not familiar with. Better send it to someone who know how
спасибо за видео, ато чет разобрал лихо а потом понял что поспешил без меток, как выяснилось там намудрили побольше чем в современных зумах
Great video thanks for this in depth tutorial! Do you know any good Grease alternatives to the Ciatim-20 for this focus lubriacation? I live in Germany and there I can't find any offerings that can be shipped in the coming weeks...
Try to use a lithium based one, it performs good
@@RetroFotoHouseGood i will try that thank you!
Thanks a lot
Good day, I did not find the helicoid lubricant mentioned in the video on ebay. Is it possible to buy it from you? well thank you
Hi, great video! Can you tell me what is the ball's diameter @ 4:12 ? Unfortunately, I have dropped and lost mine (single ball on Helios-44-M-4) and now need to find a replacement. The hole in my case is around 1.5~1.6 mm wide (on the lens's side) with the depth of around 1~1.1 mm (it has a spring-like mechanism beneath it). After doing some measurements from your video of the screen, it should be around 1.2~1.4 mm (average value 1.3 mm), but I wish to be sure, so if you have that spare one, can you measure it? Thanks!
Hi! Helios 44m balls are slightly smaller than those of 44m-4. I think 1,3 mm you,ve measured is fair falue.
Thanks! I conducted hole measurement on my model and it is ~ 1.5 mm, but I guess the ball must be slightly smaller. Also, I've measured grooves on the ring, and they are 0.5 mm. So, 1.2 - 1.3 mm should be fine.
Hi Roman, Great video!! I have an issue..on the footage at 29:39...when you place the 3 big screws..my 3 srews are missing..would you know what size screws they are? And where can I get them from? Your help would be much appreciated! Regards, Jim
Hi Jim! Unfortunately i know only one way to get these screws-to buy the same lens in for parts or repair condition and get screws from there.....
Большое спасибо за очень полезное видео! А нет ли у Вас видео, как разобрать и почистить диафрагму на этом объективе? Тоже очень актуальная тема.
нету, к сожалению...
I just bought a lens which was already disassembled for a really good price. But the problem is when I allign the helicoid ring and focus ring together it will go to the halfway with no problems but then it will get stuck wont go all the way in. Do you have any idea to how to fix this problem?
thx for tutorial, and I know how to put two ball back in the ring
That's awesome! :)
@@RetroFotoHouse I can send the step and pic to you show how it's done if you want 😀
Hi! Just got myself a Helios 44M. It works fine and the focus ring is smooth. However, there is a "click" between 2m and 3m marking when focusing to infinity. Like there is something catching in that area. I'm assuming this is not normal. Can you think of a reason why this is happening and any solutions? Loose screws maybe?
No, this not not the screws. This is something into the threads. Like piece of sand or big dust particle. You need to disassemble it fully
@@RetroFotoHouse Thanks for the reply! Is this something I need to fix immediately or can I leave or alone for a while?
Any idea where I can get the small tiny screws that you are unscrewing at time 9:15...I need some replacements
the best way is to get a lens in "for parts" condition on eBay, otherwise it is hard to find them...
genius! i have trouble with the diafragma. do you know if its more simple to fix it? its not moving and 100% open. thanks
no, it is more complicated
@@RetroFotoHouse hanks, I already foud your video for fix it. It was on automatic and i wanted it on Manual. thanks for your Channel, its a great job!
Do you need a specific grease or can you just use regular multi purpose synthetic grease?
try a lithium based one
Have you ever cleaned the helicoid of Auto Reflecta 50mm f1.4? I can't open it. When I unscrew the screws on the back, the bac ring is loose but something is holding it from coming off. Do you know a similar or same lens from the same manufacturer under the same name on which i can find some information or a tutorial? Thanks in advance, I hope you have some experience with this lens :)
No, my specialisation-russian and german lenses
Hello, does this tutorial also work with the 44M-4?
No, 44m-4 is different inside
Is there a way to make the mount a bit more stabel? If i pull focus it wobbles a bit
Basically it depends of quality of adapter. What camera do you use?
Hello! I was looking at your Helios 44-2 Zebra and 44M. Is it possible to ask for a version with the cyrillic/russian text on it?
Hi! i have only helios 44m for nikon with cyrilic markings. You can grab one here-www.ebay.com/itm/222594844659. After let me know and i will pick up one according to your wish
Retro Foto House that is awesome, thank you :)
Retro Foto House I do not need an adapter for Nikon correct?
n0sferatu it is already included
Retro Foto House fantastic :)
For the inner and brass rings.. I forgot to set the first marker. Is that a huge problem, or will I be able to guess it?
Well, you can guess it's position, but it requires many tries, unless you're very lucky man
Well, I wasn't too lucky haha. Infinity is.. a little further than infinity now. 😅
what products did you use? what kind of grease? What did you use to clean?
I use a ciatim-201 grease, but ciatim-221 can be used as well. For optical elements cleaning i use a pure medical alcohol and ammonium chloride to remove a fungus
@@RetroFotoHouse thank you
Я взял помыл механизм, который переключает диафрагму и пока собирал, он уже заржавел и перестал работать 😅
hi!can you do focus lubrication for HELIOS 44m-4 lense? :)
please subscribe, will come soon :)
i am already subscribed :)
I followed another video (bad one) but it wasn't talking about the markers. Nos I have trouble with the step at 21:00 . I can't skew the two parts
without a markings it is extremely difficult to re-assenble it in proper way, i'm sorry for you
did all the steps but forgot to put it to infinity first 🙄 as a result even following my markings, my focus is not right ☹ any way to correct this ?
unfortunately not...
i foolishly took apart my 44m without any markings. Can I still save it?
i'm afraid not
It took me quite a lot of tries (no marker) but thanks to your video I was able to get back infinity focus. I even have the trick to put back the two "balls" :)
You can. It took me many weeks to think it out. But you can do it. You basically take it all apart. Then attach the ring with DoF scale to the brass part. Add the distance scale aligning infinity symbol with central red line on the DoF scale. Insert the rear silver part Screw in the front threaded part so it is just about peeking out of the brass part. Assemble the rest normally.
After you've done this it probably doesn't work. Now you have to try uncscrewing the front threaded part and turning it around until everything fits. You will know it is not correct when the aperture mechanism either doesn't reach the pin when lens is at close focus or it is getting pushed out of the lens when it is moved towards infinity focus.
If you try enough combinations of placements of parts you will eventually assemble the lens correctly.
Idk why my comment is showing only to the fourth line. Can you see the rest?
Can i transplant helios optics 44-7 to 44-2? Ty
It is not possible, unfortunately
@@RetroFotoHouse 44-7 to 44M?
i want the 8 blade aperture but better glass
Странно но мой гелиос внутри немного отличался разобрать не получилось, но для смазки очень туго кольца хватило добраться до линзаблока спереди и выкрутить фокусировку резьба становится видна, колхоз конечно и старая смазка остаётся, но для криворуких я думаю будет правильнее сделать так
Oh man these black ones are really complicated compared to the silver version..
exact!
You sound like Werner Herzog
this is a compliment?
Retro Foto House Yes haha
I don't like this lens at all, i'm documenting myself if i can move the optics to another body, i have an olympus 50/1.8 but it's a little shorter and the optics block is not one piece. Are you aware of such an attempt?
no, never heard this possible