Helios 44m-6. Full lubrication tutorial
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2017
- Details about how to disassemble, relubricate focusing ring and reassemble popular MC Helios 44m-6 prime russian lens. I'm a professional lens seller/repairer (Jupiter, Zenitar, Helios, Mir, Vega and others) If you are seeking for tested and adjusted russian lenses, please visit my eBay stores at:
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Hi my friend! I've just bought an helios 44m-7 and followed your tutorial on how to put it in manual aperture with success!
But my focus ring is not working and it looks like it has no grip over the lens which does not come in and out.
Do you think that I have to go throught the whole disassembly process or I can just repair it from the front?
Excellent tutorial - so clear, so comprehensive and so easy to understand. Your English is excellent, and I'm in awe at your camera work, always focused on the lens and what you're doing. The focus ring on my Helios 44M-7 was slipping while turning at infinity and close up, and re-lubrication solved the problem perfectly. (As you warned...the tiny ball bearing fell out, but thankfully I found it!!). Many thanks
Thank you for so much for taking the time to create this superb video on lubricating a Helios 44M-6. I especially like the way you describe in detail the simpler method with less disassembly and the advanced method with the full disassembly. Perfect.
thank you very much for this long waited tutorial ! one hour length explains the time you had to spend on this !very valuable . daniel from france
You have saved me countless hours of frustration helping me clean and lubricate my Helios Lens. It is not super smooth for focus, the lenses are clean and it is by far my favorite vintage lens I am running on my camera. Thank you so much my friend!
Another amazing tutorial.
You are the best in the You Tube!
You spend allways time.
Thank you for your help.
I must say thank you so much! Just done it step by step watching your video. Now my focusing is very smooth and easy. excellent tutorial :)
You are awesome for doing these videos with such detail. Thank you.
Excellent tutorial! Thank you for sharing.
Thank you very much for sharing all this information! You are one of the big helpers to keep these great lenses in good shape.
Glad it was helpful!
@@RetroFotoHouse I used this video for a Helios 44-7.
I have clean my 44M-4 thanks to this video. Thanks!
Excellent tutorial which made my work easier! Thank you!
And this worked off course for the 44-7
Спасибо, очень сильно выручил. Купил такой объектив с ржавой заклиненной диафрагмой. Теперь всё ок. 🤝
Still very useful. Used it to regrease a 44m-7 and will be checking my 44m-6 to see if it could use the same. Also helped with understanding the lens and resetting infinity focus as the focus ring screws were slipping due to the old sticky grease.
Muchas gracias! Tu video me ayudó bastante para poder reparar el mío, muy explicativo ✌🏻✌🏻
Really, really useful.
Thanks a lot for this detailed dismounting. On my side I prefer using a bath of alcool and a brush to retire the old one, and I use japan white grease (a very small amount) for rebuild.
*всё классно, чувак! - спасибо за туториал! Много чего с твоих видео черпнул! Респект тебе дружище!!!
Дякую на Київ!
Very useful, thanks
Спасибо! Очень очень помог!
Excellent - thank you!
Coś wspaniałego!!!😄😃😀🙂😍😍😍. Wery good.
Thank you sir!
thank you sir!
Thank you very much ❤️🥰❤️
Wonderful tutorial! thank you so much!... now, I have a little problem, the lever that moves right or left, when the aperture pin is pressed, is stucked; well, not really stucked, it feels a bit tight, so sometimes when I press the shutter button, the blades close, sometimes they dont (I'm talking when it's in f16) can you help me solve this problem, please? thanks in advance!
people used to throw these lenses away. at last they realise the value of the optics above the stigma of cheap soviet prices
Well done video! Thanks so much! Would it be ok to use an ultrasonic cleaner on the threads? Thanks, Tom
Hi Tom! I never tried, but why not? I do not see any obstacles there
Hi Thank you for your tutorial. I have a 44m-7 and want to re-lubricate it. Do you have a tutorial for this or it is very similar to 44m-6?
which brand of alternative lubricant can be purchased on eBay?
THANK YOU!
You're welcome!
Hi my friend! I've just bought an helios 44m-7 and followed your tutorial on how to put it in manual aperture with success!
But my focus ring is not working and it looks like it has no grip over the lens which does not come in and out.
Do you think that I have to go throught the whole disassembly process or I can just repair it from the front?
you can tighten 4 screws holding external focus ring with internal brass one from the front.
You are a true craftsman.
Is the 44m-4 the same to lubricate as 44m-6? Thank you for your video work.
Hi!
Thank you. Yes, it is the same.
you dont weem to have tutorial for the 44m-5? is it the same with 44m4 or 44m6? thank you.
Great tutorial my friend!, what type of lubricant do you use?
Great video, helped me a lot with a problem I was having with my aperture ring. But for some reason my lens doesn't have those 2 holes on the front ring, I have no idea how I would remove it if I had to completely disassemble the lens. And yes, my lens is exactly the version 44-6.
Well, it is really difficult in this case... You should than drill these 2 little holes, otherwise it is almost impossible to unscrew front ring
@@RetroFotoHouse I have had a 44M-6 version that has no holes on the front ring. It just clipped on and I had to prise it off with a small screwdriver.
Besides the rear mount of this 44m-6 (m42) is this lens identical to the 44k-4 (Pentax mount)? It is because I need to lubricate the focus ring, which is very hard to rotate. Thanks very for your useful videos!
I'm afraid not
Thanks for your reply, so the focusing ring is different?
привет. Спасибо за видео.
Как снять пластиковый шильдик с надписью, который на более поздних версиях был? он не выкручивается((
он на защелках. отверткой поддеть аккуратно
Do you have any advice on sticky aperture blades for 44m-6? They open to f2 but when I turn aperture ring back to f5.6 or beyond, they stick open. I have taken the front element off and dropped isopropanyl on the blades, then worked them with the lever at the back... it frees them for a while but they soon become sticky again...
i think it is because of old grease on the blades. In this case full disassembly and cleaning of aperture will help
I was wandering if you could show the later version MC-HELIOS 44m-6 f2/58mm lens. This lens has different configuration then previous models. I am interested to see the separation of optical block from helicoid. This model has the mount with only 3 screws and spring loaded aperture.
Frankly speaking, i had only this modification. However i've serviced dozens of them. Is it rare?
Probably not I just need to play with it.
Спасибо за видео.
Как добраться до лепестков диафрагмы? С какой стороны подлезь? с передней или задней?
с задней
лучше выкрутить задний линзоблок
разобрался, надо и сзади и спереди всё разбирать, и из линзоблока доставать весь механизм диафрагмы,по контуру 3мя винтами держится. Спасибо
Здравствуйте! спасибо за видео... вы мне очень помогли! у меня возник вопрос))) можно ли лепестки диафрагмы на Helios 44m-6 зачернить ? и если да, то как и чем это можно сделать?
я, честно говоря, не знаю.
@@RetroFotoHouse хочу как время будет, протравить хлорным железом... конечно же сперва попробую на каком нибудь доноре)) честно говоря, не знаю что из этого выйдет... посмотрим)) спасибо ✋🤝
Hello Retro Foto House. Very informative video.
I have a question.
I have found a very good looking Helios 44M-4 lens on a Zenit XP-12 camera, but the aperture blades don't move at all whether I rotate the aperture ring or the push the pin at the back. It is wide open at all times. The camera itself looks good but with some fungal growth in the viewfinder and on the mirror. Mechanically it seemed to be working fine.
My question is if I should get it (the lens) and try to open and repair it by myself. It is going to cost me less than 10$ if I did. In fact the camera and the lens both together would cost me less than 25$.
What would you suggest?
well, it depends if you need camera. Fungal growth in viewfinder is a headache....
Hello @@RetroFotoHouse,
Thanks for your response.
I got the camera last week. I got the lens cleaned and set up correctly from a local camera repair shop I found that repairs analog cameras. The aperture blades had oil on them which was causing them to malfunction. The technician also cleaned the camera's mirror.
But he said they don't undertake Russian camera repairs because of their weird setup, so that is all he could do as far as servicing goes. He also said the penta-prism is damaged, so viewing will be difficult.
I think I might try to open and clean the fungus on the viewfinder myself.
I also got compatible batteries today and the light meter LEDs are also lighting up when I put them in.
Looks like it will work. I'll run a test roll through it to see how it goes. If nothing, it'll still make a great show piece at home.
All in all a great deal for less than 30$.
Thanks and cheers. Best wishes of Christmas and New Year!
hi have you done yours...
hi can you assist me cdavey06@gmail.com
I have a problem whit my camera model zenit 12xp (and my english) so... my problem is in the focus ring (model HELIOS 44M-5) (i guess): the sign of distance can't reach to the alpha sign (infinite distance), it stop on the 1,7 mark...
can you help me please, or explain the problem to repair ...? thankyou!!
it was reassembled wromgly by someone. Difficult to say what the matter is
I have the 44M-7. Is it the same? Can I disassemble, clean and lubricate it the same way?
Hi, it's really similar, but the cap with the brand Helios come out with a pressure
Hi, thanks so much for this tutorial. I have a question - what is the name of the grease used?
- The one for the full disassembly, I can't find it on your eBay.
- Also it would be good to know the name/type of the weapon grease for the simpler disassembly.
i don't have it anymore. Try lithium based grease with medium softness and it will fit well
Thanks very much for the info @@RetroFotoHouse
You say that all Helios 44M lenses (From 44M to 44M-7) are built the same, but you have a video for 44M and one for 44M-6 explaining disassembly and lubrication. Why? Is there a difference between them? Or did you make one later, that is more detailed and explained?
Hi! Can you please show me where i say that all line is the same? Helios 44m-4 to 44m-7 are roughly the same for lubrication. Helios 44m is different inside
What kind of grease do you use to lube lenses? I want to clean and lube some of my lenses from flea market
ordinary lithium based grease, it performs well
@@RetroFotoHouse thank you very much! Could you advice me if FUCHS RENOLIT UNI 2 or MAXIMA GREASE WODOODPORNY is better in this case? Or maybe you can recommend anything specific which is available internationally? Btw. I heard that grease bassed on oils are not suitable for lanses 🤔
Kindly help. My lens has come out of the helicoid barrel. Now iam unable to put it back when i twist/screw it anticlockwise.
I brought Helios M44-4 f2 lens first time. While I was examining the lens I twisted the lens and unexpectedly it came out.
it is difficult to say what's wrong without have seen the lens
I have an Helios 44M 6 but
I can not open the front cover because there are not 2 holes as in all the ones I see on You Tube videos. How do I remove the front lens to clean it?
Well, the only thing i can advice-to drill 2 little holes on opposite sides of the ring and than to use a lens wrench to remove that ring.
Modern lenses are made this way to stop people from opening them for repair and cleaning. Repairmen use rubber cups. They grip to the ring and allow for easier turning/unscrewing. You can find them on ebay: 10-15$ for one cup or around $40 for the entire set.
I have a helios 44M-4 and discovered that the front of my lens is loose.
Do you have a video to show how to fix this?
Thanks in advance
No i don't. Try to screw it in using your fingers in rubber glooves.
Would the instructions in this video work for a 44m-4, or are they very different on the inside?
No they aren't. Practically the same construction. Only optic differs
Retro Foto House , excellent! Thank you! Love your channel, keep up the good work.
hi, is the 44m-5 the same construction?
@@tonimontana1480 I believe they are all the same.
My focusing block just imediatly separated from the rest of the body, like it was already loose (the focus ring was loose also) so I didn't get a chance to make a mark. Does this lens have salvation? Since now I can't put it together with the focusing block in the original correct position.
André Filipe without markings it will be difficult.
If you wish you can send it to me fir repair
Price is $15+shipping
@@RetroFotoHouse Thanks for the reply. Since this lens is so cheap I'll just put it on eBay for parts at a lower price and buy another one.
Is there a way to fix the infinity focus if it has been improperly reassembled?
yes, good way is to assemble it properly and infinity will be there
yes, good way is to assemble it properly and infinity will be there
Have a 44m-4 and it has backlash/ slippage at bothe ends of focus. Any idea what would cause this and fix for?
at 15.06 in this video 2 parts are visible, screwed to the lens barrel with 2 screws each. In majority of cases they are worn or need adjusting. Though this is video about helios44m-6, but helios 44m-4 is the same inside.
@@RetroFotoHouse thank for the feed back on this... I managed to.fix the focus ring. But I cleaned the lenses and I think I mis assembled the back lense elelmes / parts. More parts came out that what u show on video cleaning back lenses. I looked up diagram of lenses in system think I have them in right except possibly for the black spacer ring on 1st element.
Given trying many different assemblies it still takes blurry photos, even though my camera is showing in focus by focus peaking. Wondering I'd I mis assembled front lense assembly or didn't clean lenses properly. Not that I did not regressed the focusing mechanism. Only pulled lense group put and cleaned from, then pulled back lense group and cleaned them. So wondering if I goofed the optical block assembly somehow? I appreciate the follow up on my initial question so don't feel u need to follow up on my second problem. God bless and thanks for your videos.
Is the disassembly and lubrication for this lens the same as for the Zenitar 1.7? Thanks.
no, zenitar is different
hi have you done yours...
@@cdavey061 hi, I did, not long after this comment. It worked, but I didn't pay attention to where it came out of the heliocoid, so focussing at infinity was slightly off.
@@eduardotinajero2901 hi i have the 44m-4 and i need to know how the two springs attach to the aperture arm assembly if you email me cdavey06@gmail.com i can send you picture if you can assist...
@@cdavey061 Hi David. sorry. although I have used this lens, I don't have any exp disassembling it. Best of luck!
Hello there! I have a problem with my helios 44M-4 lens. The aperture is stuck at f2.0, but the ring moves as it should. My guess is that there might be a problem with the aperture actuator mechanism. Can you please make a tutorial on how to fix this? It would mean the world to me. Thank you very much!
Hi!
th-cam.com/video/-BxLnveJ2yU/w-d-xo.html
Retro Foto House Sorry, but it seems that my blades are oily or something. Do you have a fix for this problem? Thanks
Can you show how to reverse the front lens to get more swirley bokeh?
this wont work with this lens, please try helios 44-2
Hello there. I tried to fix my aperture problem with my 44m-4 and I found that someone who had opened up the optical block before me forgot to screw the three screws to it. I took care of that but I am an idiot and I forgot to mark my optical block to know the position it should be when put back together. As a result my aperture works, but not as it should. Do you know how I should align the optical block to the focusing block?
Well, without markings it is difficult task. That's why i emphasise the importance of this step...
@@RetroFotoHouse It turns out that there are faint markings in the spots where the screws put pressure on the block to hold it down, but my aperture still doesn't actuate properly. The pusher moves freely and the aperture opens and closes with it. Is there a possibility of the brass ring that moves with the aperture ring is messed up or bent? I am quite certain that the cause of my problems is that the hook that moves the pusher and the brass ring in the rear part of the lens are out of shape. is there a way to fix this properly or do I have a dead lens?
@@mariospantouvanos4645 show me a foto of a hook at retrofotohouse@gmail.com
NB--- at 4:28, you show 3 screws to remove the rear aperture mechanism ring. I have a 44m-4 - and on my version, these 3 screws are not on the "top" like your video... they are around the SIDE of the lens... FYI. (Not sure if this is common with 44m-4?)
it is not common. what factory and what year of production is your lens of?
hi can you assist me cdavey06@gmail.com
The screws after the marking (11:27) are too strong. I can't unscrew them, they don't move at all. How can I solve this problem? Can I put a drop of WD (loosening oil) on the screws? And how can I put a small drop without messing the lens with that oil?
Astral'o Pithecus yes, that’s a right solution
@@RetroFotoHouse I tried but it didn't work. The screwdrivers I have are really thin, and the screws have a wide canal. The bigger screwdrivers on the other hand are too big for the screws.
I ended up just lubricating the helicoid with some silicon oil with a syringe, I moved the focus back and forth until it got smooth enough. I could fill the dust and dirt between the threads, but it worked in the end.
Anyway, thanks for the response and this great video, I wouldn't have done anything without your help :)
im too scared to do this :D
I have such a lens. The Optical block just came out while focussing. It was not attached. with screws and threaded into the focussing block. There are four screws in the focussing block but those do not line up with the three lugs in the optical block. Name ring says Helios 44m-6 with valdai logo and serial number on body is 1992. Is this a different version? Maybe not even a 44-m6 but M4? Krasnogorsk? Picture: live.staticflickr.com/65535/50143989811_cb2c242707_4k.jpg
From what i see-this is helios 44m-6 lens
Hello, do you have any Helios 44m for a Canon FF 6D for sale? Thank you.
Hi!
Please take a look at:
www.ebay.com/itm/222770568492
www.ebay.com/itm/322951162250
www.ebay.com/itm/322923471859
Thank you, I have a question regarding shipping, can you give me your email? Thanks
Bruno Garcia retrofotohouse@gmail.com
How is the diameter at the base? I mean can it fit an Arri PL adapter?
No, it can't, unfortunately....
hi have you done yours...
Здравствуйте! Вы в Украине? Циатим 201 как купить?
can you do Helios 44m-4. Full lubrication tutorial?
it is very similar to helios 44m-6
do we need any extra markings on the 44-m4? I would like to try but don't want to mess up the lens. Thank you for your videos!
No, you don't. Just follow up instructions showed and you'll be fine
how about 77m-4? please i need to fix focus ring it is too stiff.
if could wait a bit, i vill record a video explaining process in details. Thank you for your interest
Where are you located sir ?
Ukraine
In my Helios is broken the little part in min 22.31 I don't know where to buy, and if the cost is too high also, i have to throw it away finally.
you can try to find the same cheap lens in parts or repair condition and take that part form it. I do not know any other solution
@@RetroFotoHouse Thanks for answering. Infact i'm just looking for another one.
Hi. Will this also work with a 44m4 lens?
yes, focusing mechanism is the same
hi did you do yours...
@@cdavey061 hi. yes i did thanks. tutorial was very helpful and accurate. i didn't take helicoid apart completely - just added new grease where I could. but it has helped somewhat.
@@wreford07 hi i have the helios 44m 4 and it has been tampered with therefore i need to know how the springs in the aperture arm mechanism go together if you can assist please email me cdavey06@gmail.com
@@cdavey061 Oh. That's a pain. Sorry, but I've not taken the aperture mechanism apart yet - and don't intend to unless it breaks! Does the video have any close ups on that? It's been a long time and I can't recall.
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Can 44m-6 clickless?
Yes, it can
Retro Foto House thank you . Love your tutorials it helps me a lot how to remove it by DIY. Keep it up
My focus ring wont work ,it just slips.
How to fix?
Hi!
At 11.49 are visible screws holding together black focusing ring and inner yellow brass part. You need to tighten them. Problem is solved
@@RetroFotoHouse OMG thank you so much!It worked!
Now i can finally use this lens with my Zenit 11.
@@micuna5743 Did you solve it?
@@oussamasafarzitoun502 yes ,look at his comment
@@RetroFotoHouse Ohh thanks a lot you save my lens dude
а че не на русском?
because english is an universal language of conversation, widespread all around a world. hope you can understand this.