North Korea's Brainwashed Defectors Can't Cope in the Outside World
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- Disillusioned Defectors (1997):
Fleeing starvation and a brutal military regime, defectors crossing from North Korea to the South were once national heroes. But they feel increasingly like outcasts, finding it impossible to fit into modern, capitalist society. Do they miss home?
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Kim Hyung Duk escaped from North Korea at the age of 20, his body covered with torture scars from North Korean police. But once in the south he found the alien culture and indifference of the authorities too much to bear. He was caught at the port of Ulsan stowed away on a ship bound for China, trying to go home. Defectors such as the Cho family enjoy luxuries unheard of in the north yet are regarded with suspicion by neighbours for the support they receive from the government. Others such as Kim Young Seh hold a burden of guilt. The wife he left behind in the north was forced to marry someone else. Unusually, Dr Lee Keum admits publicly that the government is not as keen on reunification as it once was. However, South Koreans are becoming less eager to take on the burden of their northern neighbours.
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There are several problems with this documentary. First, this was during the Roh Moo-Hyun era when the support network for defectors was inadequte. Second, the producer mistranslates several conversations to support her agenda. She seems to have started out with a notion that these defectors are deeply resentful. They're not. The conversation at 10:28 is labeled: "There are those who despise us because we are from NK." That's not what he said. What he said is, "When we say we're from NK, some people become guarded." He's disappointed that most SKoreans aren't as welcoming or open-minded as he'd like. However, at no point did he express any resentment toward SKoreans. That's a fiction manufactured by the producer. It is correct that many defectors are maladjusted and some have indeed committed suicides. However, it's an overstatement that the majority are deeply resentful. The video shows snippets of disappointments but not resentment. The language barrier is insidious and when you approach a subject with a preconception; you're bound to see what you want to see. This should not be the modus operandus of a professional or competent documentarian, which the producer of this video certainly is not.
Journeyman Pictures spreads alot of Propaganda thats fits their leftist Narrative in the majority of their Videos. They are lying alot.
@@martymcfly5423 Journeyman pictures have a liberal centrist ideology not a leftist one. Thats why they are lying against the mentality of the people of dprk.
Totally agree
I saw an unrelated video by Journeyman Pictures which also seemed skewed. I will probably no longer accept anymore suggestions from TH-cam for this channel
Thank you.
Just imagine spending the first half of your life in a work camp, mining natural resources.
Then you come to South Korea and see people having fun by mining natural resources in Starcraft.
Hell yea being a slave sucks doesnt give them reason to hate i say if they want to be slaves ship them back thise are the types of people who would make us all slaves with them.
@YOUNGXI VFAMILIA ? No, def Starcraft. It was HUGELY popular in Korea. I believe, much more so than Minecraft.
@@rorye4963 This is really gross and shows no depth in understanding of the complexities of the human mind and psychology. These people were brainwashed and abused. Then they risked their lives to come somewhere seeking freedom and it isn't what they thought it would be. It's a shock. I'm hoping they have put programs in place now to help defectors adjust to the changes of learning the world you live in is not the reality that was beating into you. That would mess with anyone's head. These people are deeply mentally scarred and deserve respect, kindness, and any help they may need on a basis of equity. Forcing religion onto them is not helpful either.
@@jp8649 yea complexity's of the human mind also account for pedos... Your logic < cheesecloth.
everything you hear about n. korea is bullshit
Taking someone who has spent the majority of their life in Pyongyang and suddenly dropping them in a capitalist centre like Seoul is a sensory overload.
Western Sahara
western mo vies
i agree..they should have taken them to a farm
Pyongyang is the capital of NK and is a lot more of a Metropolitan and the citizens have a lot more luxuries and freedoms. It is where the elite live. It is not the farm land and if anything it is only about 8 years behind SK in technology wise and style wise. It is rare for citizens of Pyongyang to defect.
hand picked sheep don't defect ...geeesh
these defectors had no idea about Kim jong UN yet. they we're lucky to get out before his reign.
His dad was worse I thought
@@donnabrown1139 He was, people just don't know... majority of people didn't even know north korea existed like it did until they tested ICBMs in the Obama era. They don't even know of the North Korean famine in the 90s... North Korea is in a much better place today, definitely not worse.
Spin-C Throws Hands how do you know it’s better? We haven’t been given any indication that it is.
This was from 1997, a lot has changed. Some organization do offer, emotional, financial, and psychological counciling to those who have left the North. I would love to see a follow up video to this...with the same people.
why doesnt south korea have a program for north koreans to adjust?
This doc is 19 years old. They do have such a program.
They used to
use too?
they do, its called Kpop
It's heartbreaking to see those North Koreans living in a prison state nightmare and then coming to South Korea the opposite.
this is a video from the 90s in south korea but it still looks more advanced than modern north korean videos lawl
I'm American and not brainwashed. I have freedom and I'm thankful for it. North Korea needs help.
chuckydombroski I agree.
You ARE Brainwashed. You are fed propaganda every day! Propaganda exists in all places.
The same nation with people who believe in a flat earth and think climate change and COVID-19 doesn't exist? Americans do have freedom but boy do they choose to be brainwashed despite having so much access to free information LMAO.
@@zzkzkzzkzkzk8945 Ive never met anyone like that in america but to help you understand the reason why they exist is many people here are skeptical of authority because of things our government has done without our knowledge or permission. The government could tell us dirt is inedible and deniers would begin to put dirt in their food because they dont trust the authorities, and its not exactly because they're stupid so much as they dont trust anyone. People do foolish things when they have no trust.
@chuckydombroski I thought I wasnt brainwashed either but then I found out things they didnt teach about u.s. history in schools. Its embarrassing what I had to find out from tik tok, of all places.
South Korea saw what happened to West Germany after their reunification with East Germany and they're very concerned. West Germans had to pay out the ass to rebuild the east and they still feeling the pain today. All the special taxes that West Germans had to pay made them resentful of the ossies. It will probably take at least another generation for the stigma of being from east Germany to go away.
It will be even worse for the two Koreas.
I'd like to see a follow-up done of this, 20 yrs later. Perhaps Kim Hyung-duk expected too much. A follow-up would help clear up some of these questions.
Born and raised in the USA.. I'm still trying to adjust as well.
Andrew Gayner oh hush you entitled little man
Sunshine ok big lady, are you incapable of writing something nice or at least semi-intelligent? Seriously act accordingly the North Koreans are reading this.
Andrew Gayner lol
+Sunshine Spank me. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
That Chimichanga Who Needs Some Love. Alright
I do hope these people can find some sort of relief in their freedom from such a tyrannical and horrible life in North Korea. I cannot imagine how hard it has to be, leaving a family behind to find some peace from the terror and constant fear of being taken away and put into a concentration camp.
Many well wishes and plenty of support and backing from a humbled and simple American.
lucky of them make money for sharing their experiences..
i don't feel the same way about this man. Leaving an infant child behind is irresponsible to say the least. He knew his countrys policy on defectors' families when he fled, thus knowingly leaving his young wife and infant child subjects to torture and execution, to find freedom and a new family for himself.
Lamashtar
Koreans more selfish? Definitely not! I wasn't talking about the Korean population (North or South), my comment was referring strictly to this individual case.
And while resisting tyranny is generally a noble cause, doing so by running to safety, and thereby sacrificing wife and child, would not be an option for me, no matter how ashamed that would make them feel.
elvisprucelee well but you cannot argue that in south korea they have more plastic woman... surgery and western make-up makes paradox that north korean woman are more beautifull
Marty toofree
I don't know if you replied to the wrong comment. I had no part in a conversation about beauty.
over 10 years ago, south Korea no longer even calls themselves South just Korea. They have made progress in leaps and bounds. Defectors do have avenues now.
2:35 "I was brainwashed, I guess I'm a little hesitant about it happening again!"
I actually understand that. Before I was Christian, I was vegan and that was like an ideology; if you leave you are hated on and called basically a killer and evil. Whilst I was vegan my hair started falling out and I had huge stomach cramps I had to leave class at school it hurt so bad. After I stopped being vegan, it was hard for me to become Christian because I was afraid to trust again. I actually made fun of my mum for believing a lot. Which is really sad as Jesus saved me from suicide and our whole family many times through miracles He did and saved us from very powerful people and healed my family. My dad was also involved in dark spiritual things so there were many curses on our family at the time; someone who tried to ruin us and throw us onto the streets. Everything this person did was to destroy our family and that wa the only point to make us suffer. Now I know it was something demonic at the time I hated this person I recently forgave them though.
The difference between these ideologies and Christianity is that this dark magic and ideologies hurt our family and me when it promised to save us and that it was good, whilst for the past 10 years Jesus has saved our family from poverty and death and hatred and fear. That is how I know Christianity is good; God fulfills his promises. E.g. i know people who were healed by dark magic and they suffered a LOT afterwards; my mum's friend went to heal his spine and it worked, then it got much worse and he started taking pills which led to some of his organs being rotted. So yeah I completely understand this man in the video the devil has done very dangerous work in my life as these past ideologies make it hard for me to trust God 100% sometimes. But yeah Jesus has saved me so many times and never deserted me so yeah Glory be to God
@@xGelenaLoverx I feel so sorry for you also God bless you
*In North Korea*
"Waaaaah I don't wanna be tortured!"
*In South Korea*
"Waaaaah the state isn't taking care of me enough!"
PICK ONE!
Jesus christ, the comments here are crazy even by youtube standards. Just look at this shit.
Sad, I could not agree with you more. I thought the replacement of CRT's by LCD's would help more. How is it possible for anyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge of North Korea to conclude that the real problem is capitalism or religion? Winston Churchill said (paraphrasing) that "democracy (in the form of a republic) was the worst form of government, except for all the others." The same holds true for capitalism. John Adams, "It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand." People must learn to think for themselves again, any invention by humans is bound to have it's good and bad points. Choose what does the most good while doing the least harm...you will not find perfection here.
It is sad when someone is willing to give up their freedom because they cannot fend for themselves. Reminds me of The Shankshaw Redemption. There needs to be more systems to help these people integrate back into society and help them develop skills to get good jobs.
wow this video is 9 yrs old
And covers story from 20 years ago.
This vid is 20 years old,
So it's 29?
This was made in 1997? That is 20 years
MrRideutah Actually, over the years we lost days. it's an interesting topic to look into. It also plays into global warming giving the illusion of unbalanced weather when in reality we messed up numbers. Like October taking the place of August. Your reply was on Jan 10th meaning that in reality it was 19 years.
Very fascinating documentary, I've been wondering for a while how these individuals cope. I've seen another one where many were discontent as well.
It's called CULTURE SHOCK. Even prisoners here in the United States who get out are so culture shocked and feel so indifferent with society they wan to go back. Remember the movie Shawshank Redemption, Morgan Freeman 's character talks of being "institutionalized".
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Golden rule
On Dec 19, 2012 I met a half Korean, half American boy named Quincy, who was about 4 years old. He came into my path as I was deep in meditation outside by a bird of paradise flower. He looked at me with his beautiful, big sparkly eyes and I told him he was going to be the president of the world. I have no idea where this information came from but his mother immediately asked me how I knew he said that exact same thing that morning.
I gave him a Mayan worry doll and asked him to please invent a solar powered cell phone.
About a year later, after I was in Bible boot camp, I realized Honduras was filled with witch craft and that doll may not have been in Quincy’s best interest. I immediately prayed in front of my mirror to free Quincy. After repeating it over and over, I realized I was chanting “frequency”.
His mother was Korean and Christian. She moved back to Korea the following year.
I gave her my favorite, lucky scarf in exchange for our connection.
I'm happy to hear you were set free from the kingdom of darkness.
Some of these defectors have extremely dark pasts. They lived privileged lives in the North and were bullies and sadists who inflicted untold cruelties on the mere workers, who produced the food and did the menial work without tools. Some of them like the physicist saved their skins knowing that their families would be condemned to torture and work camps and even death. I am sure that infant son he left behind was killed. South Korea should not let even a single escapee from the North, but just send them on to China which is the country that caused the Korean war to begin with.
This is a very interesting documentary, they seem like humble people.
A cousin of my mine was in prison for over 20 years here in the U.S. Yes, he was guilty and did his time. When he was released, he told me he had trouble adjusting to daily life on his own. In prison he was told when and how to do simple things like waking up, eating, showering. That kind of thing. And he went to prison at 23. Imagine these people who have known nothing but oppression and propaganda all their lives being thrust into a whole different world. Hopefully people like these will find some meaning and purpose to their lives because now they can.
I had no idea. So much fear and dislike on both sides. No available counseling or nationalization services. No schools to help defectors learn how to live in the South. I think that would be a great start.
+Melissa Saar There are national services and education. It has been mentioned in this documentary.
Jack Yoon Yes, but they seemed very limited, without the capacity to help every new citizen as they come. It all seems rather slapdash and insincere.
+Melissa Saar There is a good bit of support for defectors, the problem is some defectors have a very hard time of taking that first step alone. That is called freedom, the freedom to make your own decisions.
Mark Stoltzfus From what I understand, North Koreans aren't allowed to make any decisions in their lives, large or small, from their jobs and relationships, to what they eat and where they live. I can't imagine how hard it must be to be alone in a new country that might as well be on another planet, and faced with so many important, overwhelming decisions...Life is hard all over, but it really makes me see just how many advantages I've received, the choices I have in front of me, the opportunities I've been lucky enough to have been given in my life. Really changes my perspective, you know? It's about human rights, things that every man, woman, and child should have but are so often denied.
I know that it's hard to adjust to a new reality...I came to the US when I was still very young ad came from Poverty and lack of access to many things... Yet , here at the beginning was kind of difficult due to a lot more competition, but that went away really fest once I started seeing that here I could be much more and the opportunity to do whatever I wanted, there was and is a lot of help to achieve! I never thought about returning or regretted living my Country of origin, HERE IS WHAT I THINK, I THINK THIS IS A PLANTED SPY FROM NORTH KOREA TO STIRR MISTRUST AND MAKE THE SITUATION APPEAR A LOT WORST THAN REALLY IS...HE MUST HAVE BEEN PLANTED,!
+Man The enlighter You are very sharp. Yes, I completely believe:
"THIS IS A PLANTED SPY FROM NORTH KOREA TO STIRR MISTRUST AND MAKE THE SITUATION APPEAR A LOT WORST THAN REALLY IS"
This video smells very bad because I heard from hundreds of defectors saying completely opposite.
(How happy they are, how grateful they are....etc... almost all had free spirit to say anything bold & honest about how they feel ...the bottom line is: they say that they learned what the true freedom means and enjoying every minute of it... )
I completely agree with you..thousands of defectors are so happy to finally have food and a home..provided by south korean government and help getting a job..ANY JOB..they are just happy to walk where they eant..ride where they want to go..do things in freedom and EAT the food..they all seem very happy to be free now..this video..just..well it is TOO FAR OFF for me to believe.. I say they were told to go there and say these things!!!
being from east germany (GDR) i found this film very interesting. despite the east german regime being much less violent than north korea there are some astonishing parallels. the people in the two parts, divided by decades, have grown apart massively. the same language alone does not unite them anymore. if north korea ever becomes free it will be an extremely hard process. even many east germans are still struggling now, 25 years after re-unification, and we had west german televison and much more freedoms than the north koreans. north korea is so extreme, a re-unification of the two nations seems a near impossible task.
Henri Matisse
Amigo, I want your opinion, I grew up seeing Hollywood movies, documentaries and news about the Berlin wall.
Was the wall an evil wall or was a, let's say a reasonable and logical common sense structure that any sovereign nation has a right to erect. Because as most people I didn't even know where West Berlin was and now I feel that for most of my life I have been lied to about the purpose of the Berlin Wall.
Oh, maybe if they just pray HARDER then god will listen.
You know sarcasm is hard to notice when written, therefore I HOPE you're jokin'.
From a complete outsider I can guess going into a completely different life style would be traumatic. I too wonder how many people have defected to the North. There must be some and if life was so terrible in the South for those living on the fringes of society I guess the North may give a new start . I remember a Russian friend telling me about the pain when communism collapsed. She said "You remind me of the good old days when we met. This is not living it is existing"! Her marriage broke up and she sounded as if there was no hope.
Certainly for a South Korean on the run facing serious criminal charges, the North might look a very good option as they could escape justice. It is a fact that a number of people with criminal records in their own country live in China. Without a doubt the reverse is also true.
That's normal ,it is hard to adjust completely different reality.
This was in 1997, 16 years ago. Things have changed in South Korea.
Phuong,Hoorah for this documentary
It is of utmost importance to understand when this was made. This was filmed in 1996-97 when North Korea could still be considered moderately stable enough from Kim Il-Sung's rule to withstand hardships. Don't get me wrong, Kim Il-Sung was a tyrant and a monster himself by all accepted metrics, but he was at least able to have also provided the NK people with just enough economic diversity, healthcare services, and infrastructure to hold his nation together. It was his successors who are most responsible for NK really going off the tracks.
It was the reigns of his son (Kim Jong Il) and grandson (Kim Jong Un) that the country descended into the Hell on Earth we know it as. Kim Jong Il's regime oversaw the complete abandonment of morality and human decency in NK. And Kim Jong Un has only compounded matters by continuing his father's policies, but doing more of it in order to demonstrate that he wasn't too young or soft. He's had to crank it up to 11, basically. Where his father would kill 5 or 6 people for committing a political crime, Jong Un is killing 10. Where Jong Il punished 3 generations of families of someone who escaped, Jong Un is punishing 8; etc. That sort of thing.
Long story short, the North Korea that it's defectors knew in the mid '90s is not the North Korea they're escaping from today.
I don't know why, but that NK defector seemed liked a way cool dude. I'd be friends with him.
It is hard to change from a country that decide for you and gives you what you need (but you don't have freedom) to a country where you take your own decisions and fight to get what you want (but have all your freedom)...
There are some latin american countries that want the same "success" that has North Korea governement over people, but latinos are more rebelious than Asians...
Still... I have seen poor people in Venezuela that still vote for the chavizmo because the governement gives them a lot of stuff... like one woman enterview said "why should I work 9 hours per day? as a poor person I get a lot of things and I stay home"...
Is never easy to change country (culture impact), but is harder for North Koreans because many of them almost never decided anything by themselves... even the rich ones... they let the governement decide for them and give them what they need... only poor people or that in worse conditions need to fight to live... the rest let the governement give them what they need...
You can't help but feel sympathy for someone so disenchanted they are trying to return to the land of their torturers.
There are many political and cultural developments coming about between the 2 Korea's. I would love to see you do a 2007 or 2008 version on the subject.
That couple (around 10 minutes in) is really ungrateful. They were in North Korea, where they starved and were tortured, so they went to China, where life was so bad that the husband got frostbite from sleeping on the streets - but when they went to South Korea, they were given enough money to get a house and given a job that enabled them to afford shit that even we consider a luxury. How dare them complain about lack of support?
I'm 'gunna take a wild guess here..American Christian, yes?
Maybe you didn't watch the whole thing, Jethro. The South Korean Government cut aid deeply for those defecting AFTER 1993, to almost nothing, that is why they must now depend on a Christian Church that doesn't give a damn, or the charity of others..who don't give a damn
***** Some just jump to judge. They would make good NORTH Koreans.
TheOnlyTexasNinja And some people don't pay attention. Heck, with the state of education in Texas, I suppose you are lucky to be able to read..
JJ Thomas Actually twat I wasn't educated in Texas or America.
TheOnlyTexasNinja
Sounds like you weren't educated at all..So pick up a book, Jethro
that sounds like its very tough sorry to hear he is going through a tough time
"Skip intro" Annotation? Yup that earns a like and subscribe!
Whether you believe God is real or not, Christianity gives hope to people, it gives them peace, comfort and the bible teaches you how to love one another, teaches you how to have a better life. Nothing wrong with that. Better having hope than none. If its not hurting anyone, why should it be a problem, why make a fuss about it? You don't believe in God then ok fine, but don't go telling people its a lie, you don't know that, so leave them alone.
This comment is naive.
Yeah, and the Bible also teaches that you can own slaves, beat them, and pass them on down to your children as property. It also condones the stoning of unruly children and homosexuals. How are ANY of these moral and lead to a better life? The Bible is not as lovey dovey as you think, it is the last thing one would want to resort to on how to live a better life.
Yes, religion is hurting people. Did you know that South Korean Christians vandalized and burnt down Buddhist temples in the name of their religion? All they are doing in this video is exchanging brainwashing with each other, which could lead to other potential problems in the future, that is what faith and brainwashing does.
Besides, there isn't one good thing that religion can do that cannot be brought by secular means.
Bert Simmons Christianity is not a religion for it is not based on man it is a belief and I wonder if you would say the same thing if you were a resident of one of these countries believe it or not the Bible is referred to as a sword even though humanity has evolved since then the sword has evolved it to the everyday gun these are the two things that give people security whether you believe it is false or not and the government fears it the most I pray to God you believe before Obama gets the chip implants put in because after that things will be too late
colbalt95
Have you ever heard of a period before?
You apparently don't even know the definition of religion.
1. Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
So as one can see, Christianity has dogma that exactly fits this definition.
2. All religions are man made/ based on man. None of them can actually demonstrate that their religion was the result of divinity, that is why religion is most commonly referred to as "faith" or require faith, which is belief absent of evidence.
Chase Pryor 13 “If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then hates her 14 and accuses her of misconduct and brings a bad name upon her, saying, ‘I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her evidence of virginity,’Deuteronomy 22:13-29
Chase Pryor had to pull a specific factual text out didn't know the whole thing from heart. See the thing about you ignorant people is that you forget that the Bible is a collection of books, teachings, epistles and other items. Some of these events were recorded in history, not condoned by. Plese give me some proof before you make false claims
Created by: The Australia-DPKR friendship society.
This is really saddening :"((
I've worked in various Law Enforcement jobs since 1979. In the 1990's I worked with Adult Parole Department. Leaving North Korea and being "Free" in South Korea is like my Parolee's that are released from San Quentin Prison in California. They were scared to death to leave Prison Life and become an "invisible" person, in poverty in California. North Koreans are Institutionalized like men who have spent 20+ years in a maximum security prison. To be "Free" you have to fend for yourself and if you are in poverty in a rich society that is more frightening than being in the Institution. Prisoners often find comfort in a place where you have a bed and three nutritious meals and a schedule to discipline you so you need very little self-discipline and just Survive in the Institution. North Koreans are just plain "Institutionalized". Ask any Parole officer about it.
The world was so ugly during the 90s.
+Frère Jacques You mean physically or figuratively?
+Frère Jacques I think it looked better.
마지막
You may be right. I can't remember what I was thinking when I wrote that.
If you want to know why the disparity of aggressive capitalist competition was unprecedented for him it's because the "tightly controlled" socialist system of North Korea deprives ambition. It was the first time he encountered people with aspirations.
No subtitles ? This must have been ripped from a DVD minus the SRT Subtitles file.
Good video. By consuming a variety of sources, I can get a better idea of what is really going on in Korea.
I don't know what you're all talking about, but 40+% of Koreans are religiously unaffiliated, and freedom of religion is guaranteed by the constitution. These people actively seek religion to find community support and spiritual healing. So lay off. - a Korean Atheist
+Jeff Lee "a Korean Atheist" wat, koreans have atheist????
+Random ChineseGuy American influence
+Jeff Lee although they aren't religious, they have been praising a man their whole life, so maybe it's easier for them to believe in a higher being than not too.
+Random ChineseGuy After utter destruction of the country from Korean war Christian missionaries came to South Korea helped people with food and clothing, etc and at same time taught about love of God and Salvation of hope through Jesus. I was born in S Korea and live during this period. Prior to Korean war most Korean people believed in Buddha. Now 50 and 50.
+lars tynning north korea is different than south korea he didn't specify but im pretty sure he was talking about south koreans
it's obvious that the only way for north korea to go forward is
1st , follow the political way of and more business with china
2nd , open the doors to south korea
3rd , open the doors to other contries
So sad, to be living between 2 worlds and not feeling like you belong to either
2007 and hd video, Hats off to you guys
One brainwashing to another.
Wow! You're so edgy!
+Musicvidsetc Edgier than a slightly used kitchen knife.
+That Chimichanga Who Needs Some Love Just right for spreading delicious buttery goodness.
Musicvidsetc Mmmmmm. Nutella.
It's all about who tells better lies. No society is perfect.
just what they need to swap one dogma for another.
You're just so edgy!
id expect the truth to hurt but hey listen dont worry about it _;^)_
Yes, you're so in touch w/ the truth. So insightful.
well you have nothing to add so yea. ciao
Thank you for your political correctness.
So nice
Life is an incredibly hard experience.
there are Christians in south Korea now???
That's Awesome!!!!
I am very glad to see God working in country's like Korea where they've been through so much bad stuff.
Nick Young There have been Christians in Korea for over 200 years. First, Chinese Catholics and Korean converts, then Protestants by the late 1800s. Look up the names Yi Seung Hun, Horace Allen, Horace Underwood, and Yonsei University.
I think thats very sad, people beliving in stuff that arent real :(
You don't know what you're talking about katten elvis
Nick Young Im pretty sure i do O_0
HATER!!!!!! katten elvis
I feel for his sisters, I think they would be in danger of persecution having a brother who defected.
i know right! why did he decide 2 reveal his identity if his family is still stuck there, free them 1s than boast!
I know this is 23 yrs ago but I can imagine how many more defectors from North Korea feel completely overwhelmed by the outside world. I pray that all of the north koreans will be free from their generations of kim dynasty.
2:30 Hilarious, he thinks he is no longer brainwashed.
he should be more than glad that south korea is giving him a home and accepting him other than china who is sending back all the north koreans it can find. the country is giving him freedom and instead of being more than grateful he is complaining tht south korea did noting to help him. thts jst so ridiculous.
It's like a child that was abused. His mind was fucked up at such an early age. North Korean society is all he ever knew. Now he is experiencing shock. He doesn't understand how to fit in. He is alone and confused. Socially inept.
South Koreans most likely treat him with resentment. Kind of like all the illegal minorities in the U.S. They can't speak the language. They have no education or skills. They crowd up cities and drive up the cost of living. They have kids who then become citizens and take over schools. A lot of people don't want them here and treat them accordingly.
Capitalism is only freedom if you have money. This guy most likely has none.
Most people are not mentally strong.
You know, the fact that they made it to South Korea means that their families are in prison camps, even today
Wow 9 years ago this video was uploaded.... So much has changed in the world since that time :/
This is really sad. However, I can partially understand their desire to return to North Korea. When you've been treated so badly, and conditioned to live life a certain way, that's ALL you expect. And you almost feel safer in a way, b/c there's a set routine. So when things change so suddenly, it's hard to accept it. Especially if they're extremely different from what you're used to & can't find others to relate to. I pray they're hearts/minds start to heal. In terms of religion, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No other way. However, I pray they come to this decision themselves. I respect the guy that said he doesn't believe, b/c he is being honest and taking him time.
Disgusting to see Christians taking advantage to harvest the souls of such vulnerable people.
The 4 letter word speaks so much of your Christian magnanimity. Thanks, I can rest my case.
***** Krishna just got told.
The only person disgusting here is you. Disgusting and weak.
Those people are actually out helping and promoting their beliefs and you're on YT comments getting fuckin destroyed rofl.
Weak.
20 year old documentary, bravo, very up to date.
Hold up how is this video 720p from 2007?
Dang this is an old video...I don't know why I am so interested in N.K 😨
They leave one brainwashing for another... religion...
Not being tortured, starved, and beaten anyone would take that upgrade.
You're welcome to go help and promote what you believe. But you are weak and won't. You allow stronger men than you go do what you wont. God doesn't exist but I have way more respect for those people actually out there promoting what they believe and taking action.
Dood sits here in a YT comment section rofl...making a difference bruh...
This video is from 1997. I wonder what the situation is now?
I remember reading about Hollywood movie stars in the past who worked for the same studio for years, and how lost they were when their contracts ran out and nobody was there to constantly wait on them, do things for them, make decisions for them and tell them what to do, how to dress, what to say, and so on. Seems kind of like North Korean people, somewhat.
THIS REMINDS ME OF SOME 20 YEAR USA MILITARY RETIREES
THAT WERE LOWER RANKING
STATUS!
THEY HAD TROUBLE IN CIVILIAN LIFE NOT HAVING A SUPERIOR ENLISTED OR OFFICERS TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO AND WHERE TO GO!!
Just think our little lazy kids want that life..cause their generation can’t cope with life. So just the government take care of you..lol
that's what happens in the real world,I guess nk didnt teach to fend for them selfs.
It's not that they can't fend for themselves it's that they have a serious food shortage in NK and it is made worse by their government heavily regulating free trade within their country.
People from north korea don't know what smart phones are... they barely even have electricity and eat the same 2 or 3 things their entire lives.. defectors arriving in South Korea say it's like jumping in a time machine, EVERYTHING is new and foreign.. imagine that
North Korea isn't having a famine because of a "lack of free trade." People are starving throughout Sub Saharan Africa and they have more than enough free trade. The issue is totalitarianism and near constant sanctions. It is an endless cycle: North Korea diverts funds to create Nuclear Weapons and the U.N places sanctions on NK so that NK can't get food inside. Besides, what a strange argument that is. Does the US teach students how to live outside the USA? Hardly, we're lucky to get more than 2 years of foreign language in high-school.
It's more so sanctions then anything that cause the food shortage.
No the USA doesn't have too, but parents do dumb ass, language is not the one and only thing you need to live in another country but it does help, I have been to Germany, all over Europe, and currently in South Korea, what helps you, is the manners your parent teach, like on being polite and all that stuff. Because I know lots of Americans and know Americans who know of other Americans that live out side of the USA, and most do very fine, do you know how many American English teachers who are here in Korea, a lot. Shit like I said I lived in Germany for 7 years, now
Proceeds to call someone "brainwashed" and, "not coping" for not agreeing with their opinion.
While there is counseling nowadays, it goes on people's records so many don't go. Very sad :(
NekoBoyOfficial It doesn't. Unless you were forcibly taken it doesn't go on record.
I don't blame him, our society is sick.
i don't believe in god. but if the state is not forcing the guy to go to church i don't see what is the problem with his situation. let the guy go to church...
i know that in the first world is cool and it looks really cool to be an atheist and feel intelligent... but down here(south america) nobody gives a shit. the only people that really care and police what you think are secular egalitarians(leftists, humanists, etc) they are always searching for these sins: religion, racism, homophobia, etc,etc.
rich people problems... rich people bullshit.
Seriously, a great comment. Fuck everyone here equating forced North Korean indoctrination and torture with the free choice to join a religious group.
To escape fools and find yourself among a new breed of fools. Unbelievable the amount of ignorance in the world.
Breaks my heart
The North Korean physics major who decided to defect while in Moscow, says he feels bad and knows the punishments his wife and son left behind has to continually suffer from, probably in a labor prison camp. He should have returned, then tried to escape with his family as others have successfully done instead of abandoning them behind, shameful.
That was my first thought exactly as well.....He was in Moscow the whole time so probably didn't even think to consult with his wife before seeking asylum in Russia......
+Lkai Yup, cause it's that easy.
If he returns, he's dead. His family might already be dead anyways.
So in the opening scene we see refugees going from being indoctrinated with North Korean ideology to being indoctrinated with Christian mythology?
Give these folks a break!
I think it's Jewish mythology. Anyway, I think they became a Christian because religion is prohibited in DPRK so when they escaped, they realized they can practice beliefs
***** I'm thinking the guy heard about Word but due to persecution in North Korea, he decided to escape the country to worship
***** Non-denominational Christian
Ah. Got it. They prey on the weak. Like those people that serve food to the homeless as long as they'll sit through a sermon.
Because the only way to cope with the horrors of capitalism is to believe in fairies and rewards after death.
14 years ago. Finally the algorithm works in ur favor
I guess Australian television hasn't figured out how to get subtitles on the screen yet
Weeds still legal in NK lmao
MUDKIPSYRUP only benefit
except most people are broke
From Gov't brainwashing to Christian brainwashing.
9 out Upham iii 88 in this message to me 7
Beverly John hmm yes, I totally agree with that.
Baba Booey From a lesser to a greater evil
Well at least the government with Christian "brainwashing" has higher standards of living as opposed to a place with government brainwashing.
FongLin100 sure sure, burn the heathens and witches! Rally up against people who disagree with you and declare war on those who doesn't share your religion so you can *SAVE* them.
Only recently I began to understand that there is other kinds of debt aside financial debt. Culture, mental health, skills, knowlege, physical health can also be considered richness and the lack of those things may be a even worse kind of debt, a cruel kind of debt that may not even be acknowleged and it is impossible to measure up on numbers but it is perceived by everyone and usually it is not the person fault by being mentally impovirished but nonetheless that person becomes a burden, and nobody wants to pay the price to lift such heavy debt. In the end people may choose either to ignore the debt and let those poor people to fend for themselves or embrace them and pay part of their debt.
7:50 lol almost has a Tool kinda beat to it
Religions offer consolation. But I am interested in truth. Does god exist? Sorry, it does not.
Andy Hoffman That's your opinion, not a fact! And Religion (specifically Christianity) offers a "new life" not consolation for the old one, hence the term "born again"
Samuel Appiah I can be born again Hindu or Buddhist too. Your religion is not only false, but stupid too.
No god of any religion exists. This is my opinion.
Nobody can disprove existence of a creator. Maybe some creator created the Universe long time ago and does not even know we exist?
You cannot disprove that there are no pink unicorns or tooth fairies either.
But specific god existence could be disproved, if we have enough info.
If the bible is the perfect word of god, the bible must contain no internal contradictions or false historical or scientific claims. But bible has lots of it. It cannot be perfect word of god. It follows that the god of the bible does not exist.
The church realized that if there is falsehood in the bible, their religion is false. They killed "heretics" that discovered the truth, to silence then and frighten the rest of the thinking people. There are also cognitively deficient people who cannot use logic and derive conclusions. They just want to believe in something and typically they believe crap they parents or some authority figure told them to believe, often in childhood, because it is easy to make kids believe crap when their brains are forming.
Andy Hoffman Yo the way you are vexed is so funny!
Firstly being "born again" and reincarnation for " Hindu's and Buddist" are different things! Reincarnation is after you die! Being born again in the Christian faith is spiritual, not physical death and re-birth! It is when you claim to change your old ways " hence the death of your old self" and embrace Jesus and live a life according to him in your spirit, and his world " hence the birth of a new you"
I find it funny how you bash and call a religion false, when you don't even understand it?
And actually you can easily disprove the tooth fairy! The tooth fairy does not collect teeth and give 25 c if you're naughty or nice, or believe or not, (like Santa Claus) she gives you that money regardless! So all you need to do 2 disprove the tooth fairy is to
1. Get a young child who's just lost his first tooth
2. Put the tooth correctly under his pillow
3. Tell the parents not to disturb the expirement by swaping out the tooth for a quater
4. Come to the child's room the next morning, and realize the tooth is still under the pillow! Done!
So not only do you not no anything about religion, but you also don't know anything about "fairy tales"- do you live under a rock, buddy!
And yes technically I can't prove or disprove that a pink unicorn exist, neither can I for a singularity that expanded into the universe we know 2day, and neither can I 4 any gods?
So what's your point then?
Yes you are correct, when ppl brought opposing ideas, and supposed contradictions about the bible, some churches in the past have silenced them, mafia style, and I'm ashamed of that pass, and that is also a sin according to the world! If someone like you brought opposing ideas about the Bible, I would not kill them but I would have a civilized debate, like Bill Nye and Ken Ham did!
And this contradiction's thing in the Bible is very vague! It depends a lot on intrepertation, language translation, type of bible etc.. And a lot of the contradiction claims are really easy 2 disprove, such as the measurments in solomon's palace, Kevin jovin a pastor disproved those allegations in a 7 minute video, that I can link 2 you if you're interested!
Look the truth is subjective! The truth for you is that God does not exist, the truth for me is that God does exist!
That does not matter, what matters is that we learn to accept each other's different beliefs without belittling them or being disrespectful!
A perfect example of this good behaviour, is how when the 20 year old N.korean defector, said that he did not believe in God, and in the churches beliefs, the church still accepted him! And did not think their superior 2 him because they believe in one thing different from his!
That's all from me, my friend, let me know if you wan't 2 chat some more!
Samuel Appiah Someone may "discover" hinduism or buddhism and feel "born again" in the same sense someone could be "born again" into christian religion.
Most religions claim knowledge and promise of life after this life. All these claims are false. They could not possibly know. This is all mythology.
Andy Hoffman Bruh, hindu's and buddist do not call this "born again"! You know that, you just don't want to admit that you're wrong!
And yes it is true that some religions offer life after death, and that they can't possibly know, but that's why it's called a "faith"! Haha key word! It takes a step of faith! But faith is required not only in religion, but in anything that is not 100% proven! So even believing in evolution or the BigBang theory takes a leap of faith!
Wish there was subtitles.
i heard internet service is just terrible in NK. and on cable they only offer 2 channels: the Kim all praise channel and the screen saver channel
can someone tell me why koreans sometimes over emphasize a word? for example at 7:28. i always hear older koreans do it, but never understood why
Looks like N. & S. Korea do share something in common more than their DMZ. It's their use if "reunification" as a political agenda rather than an actual goal.
praying for them
This doc is 24 years old and I'm sad to know the influx of NK refugees has not been nearly as "massive" as these people predicted. In the past 70 years only 200 NK refugees has made it to the United States. Oh and it's a sad, sad day when the Russian government is considered a huge step up for a refugee.
A mixed federal and Special Administrative region be applied. A mixed with 2 levels of government, a S Korean and N Korean govt, while holding a new federal territorial govt in Kaesong. this in which a temporary system of maintaiNing the 2 countries separate though under one govt with eventual unification in 2 decades after the initial merger.
This was 20 years ago in 97... i wonder how these people are doing now
It's just like in America - 'Don't give away any of my resources to someone born in another country.' How jaded and selfish can we be? It makes me so, so sad.
Not sure I understand. Can you ify for me? Interested in what u mean.
my sister in law is from south korea (taegu). when i asked her about those in the north she said. we feel sorry for them but it means nothing. it is not our problem. =( i was a bit shocked.
i hope that programs are put into place by caring people to help those that have found freedom in the south.
it's far more complicated than what used to believe and see .. tsk
I really feel for these North Koreans. They can be so horribly scarred. They have seen executions, torture, starvation. I think leaving that behind and suddenly changing so dramatically can easily overwhelm anyone especially when you are not used to making decisions for yourself. I hear that alone overwhelms most of them.