There is an idea proposed about extending the Canada Line north from Waterfront to Lonsdale. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/skytrain-tunnel-to-north-vancouver-could-ease-bridge-traffic-says-mayor-1.4004556
I'm actually so old that I remember when Skytrain itself was a new thing. Before that you had to bus it into downtown Vancouver if you didn't have a car and lived in the suburbs. My grandma's generation had steetcars. Even as close as Victoria Drive to downtown, they had wooden sidewalks, to keep people out of the mud from the dirt streets.
I remember the old Cambie Street Bridge with its wooden sidewalks and the Brills driving over it being a rider in one at night with coach lights flickering and going of and on as they passed switches. That was in the early 80's and some parts of the city still had wooden curbs.
I'm not from Vancouver, But I desperately want to move there. I traveled there for 2 weeks, 2 weeks ago. It brings me great satisfaction in knowing the exact streets and transit systems you are talking about and then recalling them in my mind having personally walked those streets, been to those stations, taken those transit mediums, and ridden those Skytrain lines! It's a transit system that blows my mind immensely. It was a huge culture shock to just be able to type a place into Google Maps, get the exact bus number, bus stop, and only have to tap my Compass Card to go 16km away. The buses are in such good condition too! Chairs are somewhat comfy and not broken, drivers are kind. Fking great job.
The SkyTrain blows your mind? Try going to Japan, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Seoul, Singapore, Sydney and Melbourne. The SkyTrain *might* blow my mind if there are lines that replace the B-Lines and the line run by the Rapid Bus. The West Coast Express is a joke since it only runs during rush hour. The lackof high speed rail connecting different regional cities is also a huge joke.
There is a new district south of Marine Drive in Vancouver. I would love to see they use the train track along the river for public transit connecting to New West.
Sick video and i'm glad you agree, not very many people are talking about how useless light rail will be when compared to Skytrain, its a real issue. But Skytrain expanding to the Valley is very ecxiting
The 140,000 people who live in Langley would have something to say about that, as would the people living along the Fraser Highway Corridor towards Langley.
Great video, and I agree with you on almost everything. The extension out to Langley must be built as Skytrain, and not LRT running along Fraser Highway. The eastern terminus of the Expo Skytrain Line just past King Edward Station is already pointing precisely in the direction of this planned transit line. The length of this run demands speed for it to attract riders. Surface LRT has its place in the world, but this is not it, this is a regional connection (not local) and therefore demands a superior level of transit (Skytrain). As for the Surrey "L" Line, this is bordering on a vanity project, and according to some recent estimates I have heard (not sure of their validity at this time) the 10KM long phase one may actually cost more than the 11KM long Evergreen Skytrain extension. (Evergreen was also proposed as surface LRT at first, but in the end Skytrain only cost a minimal amount more while offering superior speeds, frequencies, safety, and capacity, so the wise decision was made to construct it as skytrain). It should be built as a true rapid bus instead. People forget that it is more than just the construction costs per KM, but such a switch in technology will also require a new OMC / rail yard, which will also be quite expensive. In the end I know that the new NDP government are pro transit but I worry that they are just going to allow the cities to do what ever they want without questioning the technology choices first. The extension to Langley MUST be Skytrain. The L line I am not as passionate about, but it is a lot of money to spend on an inferior product...
Agree. I would say it is better to stick with BRT for the L line as it is cheaper to extend the 96 B Line across the Port Mann to Coquitlam and from Newton to White Rock than to spend on a new LRT system that not only requires new OMC and rail yard but also there would be no faster and efficient ways going between Surrey, White Rock, and Coquitlam. SFU Surrey students do live in the Tri-Cities (Coquitlam, PoMo, and PoCo).
Hi Bobby. I am also american. I left Vancouver to Seattle was getting sick of the cost increases. LOVE to go back but need a good job lines up again. Housing may NEVEr happen in my life :(
I am a Vancouverite and I lived in Dallas for a year. I always thought our transit wasn't that great until I moved to Dallas. Safe to say, I don't take skytrain for granted anymore. On the bright side though, Dallas has an amazing road network.
@@Slenderman63323 Dallas is putting a lot of money into improving public transit in recent years though. New commuter rail line in the northern part of the city and 2 subway lines in downtown within the next 5 years.
I knew that they were planning big changes for transit in terms of services and number of buses but did not know about the new lines they are planning. Really informative. I do root for Skytrain instead of Light Rail. Over and above what you said, Skytrain provides a dedicated line that'd never interfere with the traffic causing fewer accidents and maintenance and is faster. I mean, the distance from Surrey to Langley is quite large. Hopefully, if everything is connected by Skytrain, it'd be easier for people living in Langley to commute to Vancouver. This could be a thing in near future considering soaring residential prices.
In terms of light rail's cons, it also creates another transfer for Skytrain users instead of going from Waterfront straight to Langley. Now you have to get out of the station onto the light rail platform and wait who knows how long.
Dang, that's rough. Maybe when the broadway extension is complete, the 99 can be shifted down to King Edward. Despite all these additions, it's clear that it's not enough. Even places like Langara - which has a skytrain station - build up 30m bus lineups.
I personally live near Lonsdale Quay, and i want an underground skytrain in that area. I know it's gonna ruin the area and be expensive, and the r2 can cover it and all that but still. The route would be Lonsdale Quay does via Capilano mall and park royal and goes on to west vancouver. Maybe it can go the other direction and goes to pibbs exchange then, uh idk
Heads up, Canada Line is not SkyTrain. It is part of the SkyTrain network but you will notice when using the system that the work SkyTrain does not appear on anything (including employees). It's also partially privately operated, hence the non-Bombardier (ie actually good) rolling stock.
Amazing video! As a Vancouver born-and-raised civil engineering student and a rapid transit enthusiast, this is exactly what content I've been looking for!
I use to live in Langley, lovely place. I live now in Kitchener, Ontario and they just finished the first part of their LRT, the Ion. It's great but because it's interaction with traffic it's slower than something like the Skytrain, which was great for be seperated from the streets. Of course, if you you space beside or completely seperated from road paths you can go much faster like what you get in Japan. The Ion does have parts completely separated from the road and it's faster there. Yet, I think the faster Skytrain is a better investment in the long term as you show in the video with making it eventually driverless which would be great for the Ion too. Also, you don't need to transfer to a new mode of travel, fro the Skytrain to the LRT.
I used to live in Langley too and I study in Waterloo. The ion is better than the previous buses, but if they invested in our tri city area more we could have had high quality service that beats driving times. That would overwhelmingly increase ridership.
There's another thing to take into account for light rail which can make the cost balloon quite a bit: Underground utilities. In Montreal, they are moving all of the utilities out of the way just for an SRB. The new REM which is also being built almost completly dodges this problem by being built mostly on an elevated viaduct.
For the 104th-KGB L line, I really hope it's BRT (i.e. 96 B Line improvements and extensions) over LRT. Also, starting at 15:06, I would upgrade the L line with a #SkyTrain line of it's own. This line would have two branches. One to PoCo (connecting with future M-Line east extension to Maple Ridge and with the WCE at Port Coquitlam station) and the other to Langley City and Walnut Grove.
Great video! Vancouver is blessed by low tunneling costs and an already-working driverless train system. It should play on those strengths as much as possible, imo.
As someone from Langley, they should just extend the Expo Line Skytrain to Langley Center. If they end up doing the light rail, I doubt they'd be called anything but light rail unless some how connected to the skytrain station. Probably just called the Fraser Line for the name.
This is a really good explanation. One thing that's confused the hell out of me since I moved here is how Metro Vancouver is governed. I live in Vancouver but work in Surrey. From my perspective, I have interests in both cities and they seem like a contiguous thing. Does the mayors council and Metro Vancouver system make much sense? Has anyone tried to amalgamate Vancouver, Surrey, Burnaby, Richmond, and North Van?
They all work together on city planning, although whether or not they’ll follow through on their agreements is always a gamble. I’ve never heard any serious talks of combining the municipalities - small local governments are nice. It would be nice to have more open cooperation though, with maybe a stronger mayor’s council that took on a more Metro-wide legislative role.
Starting at 15:06. I would say new lines should be more of either North-South Line (NSL) or East-West Line (EWL) connectors. So for North shore line, for example, it shouldn't go west to UBC but instead, the line should head further south and then east along Marine Dr to Market Crossing. A dedicated EWL shall handle this corridor (except would rather have this line travel along Imperial St and 49th Ave so it can also serve Langara College). Another #SkyTrain line I would introduce is a Lougheed Hwy-Uptown-Marine Dr line that would start at Coquitlam Central station, travel south along Lougheed Hwy (would also go along Dawes Hill Rd), west along Brunette Ave (connecting at Braid with M-Line), Braid St, 8th Ave, and 6th Ave (connecting at 22nd Street with the Expo line), and then south to Queensborough (serving Queensborough Landing and terminating at Starlight Casino). This line would also have a branch to Lougheed station. I would rather see these new lines (not line extensions nor expansions of existing BCRTC and ProTransBC systems) utilize rubber-tyres similar to Busan (th-cam.com/video/RLbY2V4TXSE/w-d-xo.html ), Guangzhou (th-cam.com/video/LjDr--4GYkk/w-d-xo.html ), or Daegu (th-cam.com/video/qqTA_7_dZKI/w-d-xo.html ) to address noise concerns with existing steel-wheels-on-steel-rails systems.
Surrey's light rail is going to cost more to operate and in liability. It has a negative business case (negative NPV) and as soon as it kills a few people( which it will ), people will avoid it. It' likely to earn the name "surreys expensive boondoggle" or "crime-train" if people avoid it to avoid Surrey.
The current skytrain kills dozens of people every year because it's driverless. Light rail trains with a driver can stop in an emergency. The current skytrain can't.
What? How does that work? Most of the SkyTrain incidents are suicidal. LRT can't stop without a slow deceleration curve. It'll go through the middle of busy intersections without any seperation, not even a level crossing, and will have to wait for traffic signals.
I think 94 was the worst year, with 9 people killed. Most likely suicides. Plus, Skytrain carries multiple times more people than a typical LRT would. Just math... And hey, lets not build bridges so people don't jump off them.
Your number is way off. I asked a friend who works on the front lines how many, and he and a colleague both agreed it's about 40 a year. Any time you hear about a station being closed due to a "medical emergency", it's a suicide. I have personally heard 3 of these announcements on the trains this year. Your analogy about bridges is dumb. Build higher guardrails and suicide nets on the bridge to reduce the success of suicide. Likewise, there are ways to reduce suicides on the skytrain system, but the translink bosses chose to ignore the problem.
11:03 I agree with you from WA ST. I'd rather see you guys keep TransLink rail automated & grade-separated. Last year, in a major transit expansion election, local citizen activist group Seattle Subway gave Sound Transit an ultimatum on their Sound Transit 3/ST3 expansion: Either 100% grade separated or 0% Seattle Subway support for the expansion. Seattle Subway won the argument, knowing original at-grade Sound Transit lines were causing system disruptions. The voters approved - thank goodness. But sadly more to come as Washington state is sadly political volatile with a very active fourth branch of governance called direct democracy with initiatives, referenda and recall imperiling the full ST3 funding.
Very dedicated. I love it. Living in Newton I really don't see anything good with the Light Rail. Improving the BRT might be the best option in surrey, though the space on KGB could be utilised way if a sky train ran through the large right of way space such as between 80 and 96 avenues. But with how the skytrain ends appearing to continue down Fraser it's unlikely.
Perhaps a separate system either utilizing a rubber-tyred Monorail (can be elevated, ground-level, and underground like #SkyTrain and Chongqing Rail Transit Monorail lines (th-cam.com/video/KyXOKVjoqQA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/KY_CjmjnJ8M/w-d-xo.html )) or ProTransBC system could run along the L line in the future once the 96 B Line reaches maxium capacity level after extensions to Coquitlam Central and White Rock. Monorail line could also be extended north to PoCo with connections to Port Coquitlam WCE station and future Millennium Line east extension, east to Langley City and Walnut Grove via 104th Ave, Barnston Dr, and 96th Ave, and south to White Rock.
Great video.I would imagine the first LRT line in Surrey will be referred to as the L-Line. I think the LRT will integrate nicely into the city but I do think that a SkyTrain extension to Langley may be a better option than running LRT along Fraser Hwy.
Just some thoughts on the bus vs light rail. First, the city already has the drivers, if light rail would open bus routes like 501 and others would properly close/change so the overall number of drivers would properly not change all that much. Secund to make a dedicated/separate bus system would still mean massive road work that would take almost as long as to put rails in the ground. And finally, light rail runs on overhead cables and not on petrol as the busses do. Thereby making the holed light rail a green and eco-friendly solution. Plus I think there is a lover maintains cost in light rail as it is an all-electric system, then the upkeep of the bus fleet.
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Really doubt a train to Kerrisdale happens. There is no density there and people in that neighbourhood get in an uproar every time a building bigger than 2 stories is proposed.
Great video! Found some mistakes though. At 3:56 it says Expo, do you mean Millennium line? Or Skytrain? Also; The "MK II first generation" is the only "rolling stock" that operates on the Millennium Line. The Expo line has the MK I(Older, square-ish smaller trains), MK II first and second generation(The White and Black ones), and the MK III(The newest Skytrain stock). 4:15: No one cares, but 135 is gone. But who actually has good photos of 95, am I right? 4:16: Lol!
There are other downsides to LRT as well. The capacity is quite a bit lower than Skytrain (though higher than bus). Since it runs at grade things like car/bike/pedestrian accidents will cause outages. It takes up more valuable ground space - a Skytrain extension allows for a pedestrian + bike path underneath, while still using far less space than LRT. So if the Skytrain is better in every way than LRT except in cost, and if the cost difference isn't massive, then it really seems like a no-brainer. Run a B-line as a stop-gap until the density is high enough to warrant a full Skytain extension. Given the growth rate of Surrey, under building to save a bit of money seems like a bad idea.
Re: B-line /Rapid Bus: there’s remote controls to operate the traffic signals to prioritize the top rapid busses so they don’t wait long at intersections.
Totally agree that Light Rail is 3rd most sensible, unless there is already an existing corridor, like arbutus. But about Arbutus, I would also like to see LRT there. LRT is simply charming. But is it worth the energy? Guessing it's not a high density route. And guessing buses are currently doing the job pretty adequately. Admittedly I want it because it would just be COOL. Not sure that's a good enough reason :)
I wonder if there will ever be a Brentwood to Metrotown B-Line via BCIT or an Uptown New Westminster B-Line. A Victoria St B-Line seems like it could also happen soon since recent ridership numbers show that as the 3rd busiest bus after the 99 and the 41st buses. And I could see them also looking at King Edward or Marine Drive for future east-west B-Lines. One other future B-Line is going to eventually run from Newton to White Rock after the Light Rail is built, it was in the original Light Rail study. I hadn't heard any talk about the North Van B-Line along Marine Drive, but given the state of the north shore Bridges I can imagine that is the next priority after Broadway and Surrey.
I doubt that there would be a skytrain to actually go across S Marine drive, as it could only serve people to North of it (as the river is the only thing to the South (not people)), and therefore only fulfill half of its potential (although access to the industrial area would be crucial as well). One along 57th would probably be better though. From the South, you'd only ever have to walk one (one and a half near Granville) major road grid blocks to reach the line. (Marine Drive to 57th). To the north, it'd be another major block to 49th, and another still to the (obviously non-existent) 41st Skytrain. By placing it in the middle of the river and 41st, you can double the amount of people living within walking distanceb. This would result in a system where everyone living south of 33rd (one major block north of 41st) would be within walking distance (about 900m - 15 min) of a skytrain line, by only building two additional lines. Add in that King Edward line (about 1.6km from both 41st and Broadway, meaning that from the middle it'd be 800m to one line or the other) and you've got all of Vancouver covered. The Broadway, King Edward, and 41st lines would all be at the top, middle, and bottom of the commercial/shopping strips of Dunbar, Cambie, Main, Fraser, and Victoria, which would promote people to walk up and down those strips between the lines, causing them to pass more shops, shop in more places, and promote economic growth for all 7 shopping/commercial strips (including 41st and Broadway), with only 3 lines, not 7. Of course now, the Canada Line (and kind of the Expo Line) are the only North-South connectors, so they'd become busy bottlenecks. Throw in an arbutus line and that Victoria line you mentioned, and then you're set. I'd also love for the expo line to no longer go to surrey, and instead continue on from Lougheed to SFU, and from SFU along Hastings to Waterfront, forming a loop with no confusing branches. The new skytrain on Fraser Highway would then pickup the part of the Expo line that used to go to surrey, and then extend further through New West, to Middlegate and BCIT (like you were saying) and Brentwood, before connected to the new Expo line on hastings. The new 41st line could continue along Kingsway to Metrotown, and then up to Brentwood and Hastings as well. One of these could then continue North to form the North Shore Line. Oh and while we're spending billions and billions of dollars, we might as well give UBC a light rail loop. Note: wow, this is a lot more than I planned on writing when I started. This is basically the synopsis for half of my planned video on fantasy skytrain lines :)
I would disagree for a UBC light rail loop but instead either a high capacity BRT (4-carriage variant: th-cam.com/video/RnGyaPgrGKQ/w-d-xo.htmlm6s ) operating like a light rail with future provisions for autonomous vehicle operations or a new Monorail loop system with capacities and operations like #SkyTrain.
The notes don't have the same pitch, but that Skytrain sound has the same vibe as the Montreal metro. The original sound is actually a completly accidental electromechanical noise generated by the old MR76 trains when they accelerate out of the station. I wouldn't be suprised if there is a direct inspiration from that very particular sound. It's got enough recognition that it's been reproduced for the newer azur rams to be used as a sound to alert that the doors are closing.
Voting McCallum.. no LRT for Surrey.. and keeping the right to defend ourselves.. issue is slow train 21.4 km per hour considering stops and wait times, or SkyTRAIN . See Saryl Dela Cruz on Facebook
Light rail can be a lot of trouble. Look up the South East Light Rail project in Sydney, Australia. Way over budget and running more than a year late. What’s not mentioned is that it only replaces previous bus capacity on its route and has very little scope for expansion. Unfortunately, there’s no city government in Sydney - there are more than 30 local government bodies with little power, and then state government which is geographically the size of France and Germany combined. Lots of stuff falls in the middle, and planning is very political.
I heard something about a extension from coquitlam to pitt meadows, maple ridge, and mission not sure when thats suppose to happen but thats what I heard.
Ben Ellis ummmmmm how??? that useless lrt that runs from guildford mall to newton ??? the busiest and most traffic area especially rush hour is fraser highway route from king george to langley. if these retards really did their studies... from surrey central towards Langley to the fraser valley that's where people are moving too and not newton. they should keep that stupid bline that's barely full anytime of the day and build a train system towards Langley instead... try riding the 502 and i bet you... you will change your mind in one go.
I think a dedicated centre lane for rapid transit buses with traffic signal priority would be enough. From North Road to Mariner, and up to Coquitlam centre.
I would agree with Option 3 at 7:54. This option for transit improvements does not interfere with traffic nor cyclists and pedestrians. Converting back to a surface-level train line doesn't make sense. Decades of technology advancements and innovation could render new (NOT existing) streetcar/trolley/tram/light rail/LRT systems unnecessary and outdated sooner by autonomous vehicles including autonomous BRTs. Also the new #SkyTrain Arbutus line can provide a faster and efficient alternative connection without being affected by street-level traffic such as vehicle accidents and crime sites, to other areas within Vancouver without having to exit gated fare paid zone. The new line could either be part of the existing BCRTC or ProTransBC system or a new indepedent system using rubber-tyres like Busan Metro Line 4 (th-cam.com/video/RLbY2V4TXSE/w-d-xo.html ), Guangzhou Metro APM Line (th-cam.com/video/LjDr--4GYkk/w-d-xo.html ), Daegu Metro Line 3 (th-cam.com/video/qqTA_7_dZKI/w-d-xo.html ), or even Chongqing Rail Transit monorail lines (In addition to being elevated, they can travel on ground level and underground like #SkyTrain too: th-cam.com/video/xH4MDzEnC28/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/KY_CjmjnJ8M/w-d-xo.html ). Another option I would propose for transit along #ArbutusCorridor is BRT using bi-articulated buses or if going one step further is this (using 4-car variant: th-cam.com/video/Dd3N9CFKe9M/w-d-xo.html ). In the future, this line could be extended north via downtown and Burrard to West Van and Horseshoe Bay and south via Sea Island, West Richmond, and Steveston to Delta, Ladner, and Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal (or at least Tsawwassen Mills). This line could also have provisions for additional lines along Marine Dr, 49th Ave, and more. A 4th option is similar to Option 2 but has greater flexibility in going around obstacles than a streetcar/tram/trolley/light rail/LRT which is running BRT along the corridor like an LRT. To help make BRT greener is to allow cyclists to travel along the busways and using Solar Roadway panels (facebook.com/solarroadways/ ) in addition to utilizing electric power and propulsion. If an accident blocks the busway, then the buses can go on alternative routes to go around the accident by using existing streets even if a BRT vehicle is involved in an accident.
The San Francisco Bay Area's rapid transit/heavy rail system, BART, and the San Francisco streetcar/light rail system, Muni Metro, serve two different purposes. BART which is the equivalent to SkyTrain is transport across several cities in four counties. Muni Metro is light rail transport only within the city of San Francisco.
@@joshmessmerthisherevancouv2996 A light rail system would work for transport within the city of Vancouver. Surrey, on the other hand, is a separate city in the metropolitan Vancouver area. So a rapid transit system like SkyTrain serves as transport between the two cities. The SkyTrain system has expanded significantly from my last visit in 2001. It appears British Columbia does not divide the province into counties such as the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Quebec and Prince Edward Island do and such as the states in the United States do. The British Columbia Electric Railway ran streetcar systems in Vancouver from 28 Jun 1890 to 21 Apr 1955. bcer.trams.bc.ca/pics/downtownlq.JPG bcer.trams.bc.ca/pics/vanlq.JPG In New Westminster from 7 Oct 1891 to 4 Dec 1938 bcer.trams.bc.ca/pics/nwlq.JPG And in North Vancouver from 1 Sep 1906 to 23 Apr 1947 bcer.trams.bc.ca/pics/nvlq.JPG
What if there was a completely different system and transit company for the Surrey, Delta, Langley, Abbotsford and possibly Chilliwack areas. A light rail system with the new centre hub at Whalley/Surrey Central. Call the system the Valley Line. Or another option, have a rail system like the west coast express to connect from Scott Road Stn. along the old train tracks up to Kennedy Heights, through Scottsdale, through Newton, through Cloverdale, through Langley Centre, split one direction to Abbotsford and another line possibly connecting all the way to Chilliwack or Hope also called the Valley Line. Expensive options yes but with Surrey being the city of the future and possibly bigger than Vancouver, these could be options that would make a huge difference in the next 100 years
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$157 million per kilometre for the surrey light rail now.
Is that good or bad?
bad
It’s really expensive.
Light Rail: $2.6 Billion
SkyTrain: $2.4 Billion
I just forgot that SkyTrain is $2.2 billion not $2.4 billion
As a person on the North Shore, I WANT THAT DANG NORTH SHORE SKYTRAIN, the seabus takes WAY too long by the time you get on, and get off
Pokechurin ya but instead of creating a better system they're trying to improve the seabus which just doesn't work for everyday transportation
There is an idea proposed about extending the Canada Line north from Waterfront to Lonsdale. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/skytrain-tunnel-to-north-vancouver-could-ease-bridge-traffic-says-mayor-1.4004556
ostkkfmhtsh012345678 too bad it probably won't happen
Agree. For the foreseeable future, there are no plans for such tunnel extension.
Feels like you can jump out and swim to port, yet you gotta wait another 15 mins for it to dock, amirite?
I miss these kinds of videos from this channel. I hope they'll return someday
I'm actually so old that I remember when Skytrain itself was a new thing. Before that you had to bus it into downtown Vancouver if you didn't have a car and lived in the suburbs. My grandma's generation had steetcars. Even as close as Victoria Drive to downtown, they had wooden sidewalks, to keep people out of the mud from the dirt streets.
I remember the old Cambie Street Bridge with its wooden sidewalks and the Brills driving over it being a rider in one at night with coach lights flickering and going of and on as they passed switches. That was in the early 80's and some parts of the city still had wooden curbs.
I'm not from Vancouver, But I desperately want to move there. I traveled there for 2 weeks, 2 weeks ago. It brings me great satisfaction in knowing the exact streets and transit systems you are talking about and then recalling them in my mind having personally walked those streets, been to those stations, taken those transit mediums, and ridden those Skytrain lines! It's a transit system that blows my mind immensely. It was a huge culture shock to just be able to type a place into Google Maps, get the exact bus number, bus stop, and only have to tap my Compass Card to go 16km away. The buses are in such good condition too! Chairs are somewhat comfy and not broken, drivers are kind. Fking great job.
The SkyTrain blows your mind? Try going to Japan, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Seoul, Singapore, Sydney and Melbourne.
The SkyTrain *might* blow my mind if there are lines that replace the B-Lines and the line run by the Rapid Bus.
The West Coast Express is a joke since it only runs during rush hour.
The lackof high speed rail connecting different regional cities is also a huge joke.
There is a new district south of Marine Drive in Vancouver. I would love to see they use the train track along the river for public transit connecting to New West.
You narrating is funny,descriptive and overall perfect entertainment for a local Vancouverite. ;)
Sick video and i'm glad you agree, not very many people are talking about how useless light rail will be when compared to Skytrain, its a real issue. But Skytrain expanding to the Valley is very ecxiting
Expanding past surrey is an extreme waste of money
The 140,000 people who live in Langley would have something to say about that, as would the people living along the Fraser Highway Corridor towards Langley.
I didn't realize they'd announced the frequency of the new B-Line.
no because eventually development will build along side the sky train
Wow! What a well planned out video full of information. I'm highly impressed.
All the best from another Vancouver TH-camr!
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It's awesome to have such educational, humorous and well produced youtube content focusing on the GVA. Thanks for these videos, keep em coming!
Great video, and I agree with you on almost everything. The extension out to Langley must be built as Skytrain, and not LRT running along Fraser Highway. The eastern terminus of the Expo Skytrain Line just past King Edward Station is already pointing precisely in the direction of this planned transit line. The length of this run demands speed for it to attract riders. Surface LRT has its place in the world, but this is not it, this is a regional connection (not local) and therefore demands a superior level of transit (Skytrain). As for the Surrey "L" Line, this is bordering on a vanity project, and according to some recent estimates I have heard (not sure of their validity at this time) the 10KM long phase one may actually cost more than the 11KM long Evergreen Skytrain extension. (Evergreen was also proposed as surface LRT at first, but in the end Skytrain only cost a minimal amount more while offering superior speeds, frequencies, safety, and capacity, so the wise decision was made to construct it as skytrain). It should be built as a true rapid bus instead. People forget that it is more than just the construction costs per KM, but such a switch in technology will also require a new OMC / rail yard, which will also be quite expensive. In the end I know that the new NDP government are pro transit but I worry that they are just going to allow the cities to do what ever they want without questioning the technology choices first. The extension to Langley MUST be Skytrain. The L line I am not as passionate about, but it is a lot of money to spend on an inferior product...
*King George Station. King Edward is on the Canada Line
Agree. I would say it is better to stick with BRT for the L line as it is cheaper to extend the 96 B Line across the Port Mann to Coquitlam and from Newton to White Rock than to spend on a new LRT system that not only requires new OMC and rail yard but also there would be no faster and efficient ways going between Surrey, White Rock, and Coquitlam. SFU Surrey students do live in the Tri-Cities (Coquitlam, PoMo, and PoCo).
Agree with everything, but I prefer if it's just 96 with dedicated bus lanes...
I just moved to Calgary from a small town in Texas. I'm having to get used to all the public transit here. It's a really good problem to have.
Hi Bobby. I am also american. I left Vancouver to Seattle was getting sick of the cost increases. LOVE to go back but need a good job lines up again. Housing may NEVEr happen in my life :(
That is funny because I always thought mass transit in Canada sucked.
Bobby Pinard Republican states hate mass transit
Come to a liberal city in the north east and be amazed too lol
I am a Vancouverite and I lived in Dallas for a year. I always thought our transit wasn't that great until I moved to Dallas. Safe to say, I don't take skytrain for granted anymore.
On the bright side though, Dallas has an amazing road network.
@@Slenderman63323 Dallas is putting a lot of money into improving public transit in recent years though. New commuter rail line in the northern part of the city and 2 subway lines in downtown within the next 5 years.
I knew that they were planning big changes for transit in terms of services and number of buses but did not know about the new lines they are planning. Really informative.
I do root for Skytrain instead of Light Rail. Over and above what you said, Skytrain provides a dedicated line that'd never interfere with the traffic causing fewer accidents and maintenance and is faster. I mean, the distance from Surrey to Langley is quite large. Hopefully, if everything is connected by Skytrain, it'd be easier for people living in Langley to commute to Vancouver. This could be a thing in near future considering soaring residential prices.
In terms of light rail's cons, it also creates another transfer for Skytrain users instead of going from Waterfront straight to Langley. Now you have to get out of the station onto the light rail platform and wait who knows how long.
And don't forget the time required to pass through fare gates. The gates (Cubic E2 Gates) and card sensors (MIFARE IC reader/writer) are already slow.
I think I prefer the “groundey ground train”
I LOVE THAT NAME
came for a look, stayed for the commentary - truly entertaining, thank-you
Great video, they need to put a b-line on King Edward, it's so busy. My record for pass-ups in 5.
Dang, that's rough. Maybe when the broadway extension is complete, the 99 can be shifted down to King Edward. Despite all these additions, it's clear that it's not enough. Even places like Langara - which has a skytrain station - build up 30m bus lineups.
that is actually a great idea
I personally live near Lonsdale Quay, and i want an underground skytrain in that area. I know it's gonna ruin the area and be expensive, and the r2 can cover it and all that but still. The route would be Lonsdale Quay does via Capilano mall and park royal and goes on to west vancouver. Maybe it can go the other direction and goes to pibbs exchange then, uh idk
I wish they would just extend the Millennium line west to UBC and easy to Mission and the Expo line to Seven Oaks in Abbotsford
And then the Canada Line North to Lonsdale and Lynn Valley, and South the Tsawwassen. Trains to everywhere!
Snowykitty9 GAMING Snowykitty9 *east
This Here Vancouver #Skytrainlove XD
Heads up, Canada Line is not SkyTrain. It is part of the SkyTrain network but you will notice when using the system that the work SkyTrain does not appear on anything (including employees). It's also partially privately operated, hence the non-Bombardier (ie actually good) rolling stock.
+Colin Stepney *googles pedant
So glad I've found you!
Amazing video! As a Vancouver born-and-raised civil engineering student and a rapid transit enthusiast, this is exactly what content I've been looking for!
SkyTrain to Langley? Light rail is just..
a mess to operate
Why's it a mess?
@@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin Because one has to make up arguments.
I use to live in Langley, lovely place. I live now in Kitchener, Ontario and they just finished the first part of their LRT, the Ion. It's great but because it's interaction with traffic it's slower than something like the Skytrain, which was great for be seperated from the streets. Of course, if you you space beside or completely seperated from road paths you can go much faster like what you get in Japan. The Ion does have parts completely separated from the road and it's faster there. Yet, I think the faster Skytrain is a better investment in the long term as you show in the video with making it eventually driverless which would be great for the Ion too. Also, you don't need to transfer to a new mode of travel, fro the Skytrain to the LRT.
I used to live in Langley too and I study in Waterloo. The ion is better than the previous buses, but if they invested in our tri city area more we could have had high quality service that beats driving times. That would overwhelmingly increase ridership.
There's another thing to take into account for light rail which can make the cost balloon quite a bit: Underground utilities. In Montreal, they are moving all of the utilities out of the way just for an SRB. The new REM which is also being built almost completly dodges this problem by being built mostly on an elevated viaduct.
We need you to talk about the Transport 2050 plan.
For the 104th-KGB L line, I really hope it's BRT (i.e. 96 B Line improvements and extensions) over LRT. Also, starting at 15:06, I would upgrade the L line with a #SkyTrain line of it's own. This line would have two branches. One to PoCo (connecting with future M-Line east extension to Maple Ridge and with the WCE at Port Coquitlam station) and the other to Langley City and Walnut Grove.
Great video! Vancouver is blessed by low tunneling costs and an already-working driverless train system. It should play on those strengths as much as possible, imo.
Delta needs a SkyTrain station
As someone from Langley, they should just extend the Expo Line Skytrain to Langley Center. If they end up doing the light rail, I doubt they'd be called anything but light rail unless some how connected to the skytrain station. Probably just called the Fraser Line for the name.
Hey bro they are building it now
This is a really good explanation.
One thing that's confused the hell out of me since I moved here is how Metro Vancouver is governed. I live in Vancouver but work in Surrey. From my perspective, I have interests in both cities and they seem like a contiguous thing. Does the mayors council and Metro Vancouver system make much sense? Has anyone tried to amalgamate Vancouver, Surrey, Burnaby, Richmond, and North Van?
They all work together on city planning, although whether or not they’ll follow through on their agreements is always a gamble. I’ve never heard any serious talks of combining the municipalities - small local governments are nice.
It would be nice to have more open cooperation though, with maybe a stronger mayor’s council that took on a more Metro-wide legislative role.
Feels nice watching a BC TH-camr. Especially that we never see Vancouver in anything. Movies, or tv shows so it's a great refresh.
When we do see Vancouver in movies and TV shows, it's always masquerading as somewhere else.
The subway tunnel between Burquitlam and Port Moody station is on the Evergreen Extension of the Millennium Line, not the Expo Line.
+Alex McIntyre Yes.
This video is already outdated! Golden Ears bridge is no longer a toll bridge. But still great video!
It was written in Early August, but there is a caption for that :)
0:20 where’d you get this map?
Starting at 15:06. I would say new lines should be more of either North-South Line (NSL) or East-West Line (EWL) connectors. So for North shore line, for example, it shouldn't go west to UBC but instead, the line should head further south and then east along Marine Dr to Market Crossing. A dedicated EWL shall handle this corridor (except would rather have this line travel along Imperial St and 49th Ave so it can also serve Langara College). Another #SkyTrain line I would introduce is a Lougheed Hwy-Uptown-Marine Dr line that would start at Coquitlam Central station, travel south along Lougheed Hwy (would also go along Dawes Hill Rd), west along Brunette Ave (connecting at Braid with M-Line), Braid St, 8th Ave, and 6th Ave (connecting at 22nd Street with the Expo line), and then south to Queensborough (serving Queensborough Landing and terminating at Starlight Casino). This line would also have a branch to Lougheed station. I would rather see these new lines (not line extensions nor expansions of existing BCRTC and ProTransBC systems) utilize rubber-tyres similar to Busan (th-cam.com/video/RLbY2V4TXSE/w-d-xo.html ), Guangzhou (th-cam.com/video/LjDr--4GYkk/w-d-xo.html ), or Daegu (th-cam.com/video/qqTA_7_dZKI/w-d-xo.html ) to address noise concerns with existing steel-wheels-on-steel-rails systems.
Surrey's light rail is going to cost more to operate and in liability. It has a negative business case (negative NPV) and as soon as it kills a few people( which it will ), people will avoid it. It' likely to earn the name "surreys expensive boondoggle" or "crime-train" if people avoid it to avoid Surrey.
The current skytrain kills dozens of people every year because it's driverless. Light rail trains with a driver can stop in an emergency. The current skytrain can't.
What? How does that work? Most of the SkyTrain incidents are suicidal. LRT can't stop without a slow deceleration curve. It'll go through the middle of busy intersections without any seperation, not even a level crossing, and will have to wait for traffic signals.
I think 94 was the worst year, with 9 people killed. Most likely suicides. Plus, Skytrain carries multiple times more people than a typical LRT would. Just math... And hey, lets not build bridges so people don't jump off them.
Your number is way off. I asked a friend who works on the front lines how many, and he and a colleague both agreed it's about 40 a year. Any time you hear about a station being closed due to a "medical emergency", it's a suicide. I have personally heard 3 of these announcements on the trains this year.
Your analogy about bridges is dumb. Build higher guardrails and suicide nets on the bridge to reduce the success of suicide. Likewise, there are ways to reduce suicides on the skytrain system, but the translink bosses chose to ignore the problem.
www.straight.com/life/458271/skytrain-deaths-examined
Nicely presented.
man your videos are incredible well made
11:03 I agree with you from WA ST. I'd rather see you guys keep TransLink rail automated & grade-separated.
Last year, in a major transit expansion election, local citizen activist group Seattle Subway gave Sound Transit an ultimatum on their Sound Transit 3/ST3 expansion: Either 100% grade separated or 0% Seattle Subway support for the expansion. Seattle Subway won the argument, knowing original at-grade Sound Transit lines were causing system disruptions. The voters approved - thank goodness. But sadly more to come as Washington state is sadly political volatile with a very active fourth branch of governance called direct democracy with initiatives, referenda and recall imperiling the full ST3 funding.
6:51 the type of maps that make me go insane.
Where did you get the information about the West Coast Express?
Great video. Cheers 🍻
Well done.
Great video!
Very honest and well explained walkthrough
Very dedicated. I love it. Living in Newton I really don't see anything good with the Light Rail. Improving the BRT might be the best option in surrey, though the space on KGB could be utilised way if a sky train ran through the large right of way space such as between 80 and 96 avenues. But with how the skytrain ends appearing to continue down Fraser it's unlikely.
Perhaps a separate system either utilizing a rubber-tyred Monorail (can be elevated, ground-level, and underground like #SkyTrain and Chongqing Rail Transit Monorail lines (th-cam.com/video/KyXOKVjoqQA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/KY_CjmjnJ8M/w-d-xo.html )) or ProTransBC system could run along the L line in the future once the 96 B Line reaches maxium capacity level after extensions to Coquitlam Central and White Rock. Monorail line could also be extended north to PoCo with connections to Port Coquitlam WCE station and future Millennium Line east extension, east to Langley City and Walnut Grove via 104th Ave, Barnston Dr, and 96th Ave, and south to White Rock.
9:09 Not quite. We don't call them _trolleys_ in San Francisco. We call them _streetcars_ by their old name or _light rail_ by their modern name.
Great video.I would imagine the first LRT line in Surrey will be referred to as the L-Line. I think the LRT will integrate nicely into the city but I do think that a SkyTrain extension to Langley may be a better option than running LRT along Fraser Hwy.
Just some thoughts on the bus vs light rail. First, the city already has the drivers, if light rail would open bus routes like 501 and others would properly close/change so the overall number of drivers would properly not change all that much. Secund to make a dedicated/separate bus system would still mean massive road work that would take almost as long as to put rails in the ground. And finally, light rail runs on overhead cables and not on petrol as the busses do. Thereby making the holed light rail a green and eco-friendly solution. Plus I think there is a lover maintains cost in light rail as it is an all-electric system, then the upkeep of the bus fleet.
Hey, just found this channel, and I am loving your content! As someone who lives in Vancouver, I'm very excited to see what you're creating next :D
Quality content. Thanks man
New Patreon supporter here. I believe that videos like this are very important for the community - learned a ton from this! I want to suggest video ideas and help the growth of the channel.
Really doubt a train to Kerrisdale happens. There is no density there and people in that neighbourhood get in an uproar every time a building bigger than 2 stories is proposed.
Your dreams have come true my friend. Congrats!
Great video! Found some mistakes though.
At 3:56 it says Expo, do you mean Millennium line? Or Skytrain?
Also; The "MK II first generation" is the only "rolling stock" that operates on the Millennium Line.
The Expo line has the MK I(Older, square-ish smaller trains), MK II first and second generation(The White and Black ones), and the MK III(The newest Skytrain stock).
4:15: No one cares, but 135 is gone. But who actually has good photos of 95, am I right?
4:16: Lol!
this was so interesting ...I had to watch it three times
When you say 166th for the surrey line, it is supposed to be 168th street. (You mark it correctly on the map)
It's 166th street. www.surrey.ca/city-services/15698.aspx
There are other downsides to LRT as well. The capacity is quite a bit lower than Skytrain (though higher than bus). Since it runs at grade things like car/bike/pedestrian accidents will cause outages. It takes up more valuable ground space - a Skytrain extension allows for a pedestrian + bike path underneath, while still using far less space than LRT.
So if the Skytrain is better in every way than LRT except in cost, and if the cost difference isn't massive, then it really seems like a no-brainer. Run a B-line as a stop-gap until the density is high enough to warrant a full Skytain extension. Given the growth rate of Surrey, under building to save a bit of money seems like a bad idea.
"you can definitely count on more This Here Vancouver videos"
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Re: B-line /Rapid Bus: there’s remote controls to operate the traffic signals to prioritize the top rapid busses so they don’t wait long at intersections.
It's currently has No.41 bus running from Joyce to UBC. Do we really need B-Line? Just increase service may better?
How about they split part of the millenium line broadway extension onto the canada line, so the millenium line fully connects waterfront
Totally agree that Light Rail is 3rd most sensible, unless there is already an existing corridor, like arbutus. But about Arbutus, I would also like to see LRT there. LRT is simply charming. But is it worth the energy? Guessing it's not a high density route. And guessing buses are currently doing the job pretty adequately. Admittedly I want it because it would just be COOL. Not sure that's a good enough reason :)
I wonder if there will ever be a Brentwood to Metrotown B-Line via BCIT or an Uptown New Westminster B-Line. A Victoria St B-Line seems like it could also happen soon since recent ridership numbers show that as the 3rd busiest bus after the 99 and the 41st buses. And I could see them also looking at King Edward or Marine Drive for future east-west B-Lines. One other future B-Line is going to eventually run from Newton to White Rock after the Light Rail is built, it was in the original Light Rail study. I hadn't heard any talk about the North Van B-Line along Marine Drive, but given the state of the north shore Bridges I can imagine that is the next priority after Broadway and Surrey.
I doubt that there would be a skytrain to actually go across S Marine drive, as it could only serve people to North of it (as the river is the only thing to the South (not people)), and therefore only fulfill half of its potential (although access to the industrial area would be crucial as well). One along 57th would probably be better though.
From the South, you'd only ever have to walk one (one and a half near Granville) major road grid blocks to reach the line. (Marine Drive to 57th). To the north, it'd be another major block to 49th, and another still to the (obviously non-existent) 41st Skytrain. By placing it in the middle of the river and 41st, you can double the amount of people living within walking distanceb.
This would result in a system where everyone living south of 33rd (one major block north of 41st) would be within walking distance (about 900m - 15 min) of a skytrain line, by only building two additional lines. Add in that King Edward line (about 1.6km from both 41st and Broadway, meaning that from the middle it'd be 800m to one line or the other) and you've got all of Vancouver covered. The Broadway, King Edward, and 41st lines would all be at the top, middle, and bottom of the commercial/shopping strips of Dunbar, Cambie, Main, Fraser, and Victoria, which would promote people to walk up and down those strips between the lines, causing them to pass more shops, shop in more places, and promote economic growth for all 7 shopping/commercial strips (including 41st and Broadway), with only 3 lines, not 7.
Of course now, the Canada Line (and kind of the Expo Line) are the only North-South connectors, so they'd become busy bottlenecks. Throw in an arbutus line and that Victoria line you mentioned, and then you're set.
I'd also love for the expo line to no longer go to surrey, and instead continue on from Lougheed to SFU, and from SFU along Hastings to Waterfront, forming a loop with no confusing branches. The new skytrain on Fraser Highway would then pickup the part of the Expo line that used to go to surrey, and then extend further through New West, to Middlegate and BCIT (like you were saying) and Brentwood, before connected to the new Expo line on hastings. The new 41st line could continue along Kingsway to Metrotown, and then up to Brentwood and Hastings as well. One of these could then continue North to form the North Shore Line.
Oh and while we're spending billions and billions of dollars, we might as well give UBC a light rail loop.
Note: wow, this is a lot more than I planned on writing when I started. This is basically the synopsis for half of my planned video on fantasy skytrain lines :)
I would disagree for a UBC light rail loop but instead either a high capacity BRT (4-carriage variant: th-cam.com/video/RnGyaPgrGKQ/w-d-xo.htmlm6s ) operating like a light rail with future provisions for autonomous vehicle operations or a new Monorail loop system with capacities and operations like #SkyTrain.
I am from Calgary and I just wanna say wow. Must be nice to have a good transport system.
Great content, Subbed!
The notes don't have the same pitch, but that Skytrain sound has the same vibe as the Montreal metro. The original sound is actually a completly accidental electromechanical noise generated by the old MR76 trains when they accelerate out of the station. I wouldn't be suprised if there is a direct inspiration from that very particular sound. It's got enough recognition that it's been reproduced for the newer azur rams to be used as a sound to alert that the doors are closing.
That's really interesting
Yes. Fraser Line.
Fraser Henderson Ha!
Voting McCallum.. no LRT for Surrey.. and keeping the right to defend ourselves.. issue is slow train 21.4 km per hour considering stops and wait times, or SkyTRAIN . See Saryl Dela Cruz on Facebook
Sure would be nice to get some decent transit out in my little corner of Mission. The connector bus to my neighborhood only comes six times a day.
Light rail can be a lot of trouble. Look up the South East Light Rail project in Sydney, Australia. Way over budget and running more than a year late. What’s not mentioned is that it only replaces previous bus capacity on its route and has very little scope for expansion. Unfortunately, there’s no city government in Sydney - there are more than 30 local government bodies with little power, and then state government which is geographically the size of France and Germany combined. Lots of stuff falls in the middle, and planning is very political.
wow this is a cool video
Loved this video👆🔑👍
Just saying a B-Line on 41st kinda already exists, it's called the 43 and runs much more frequently than every 15 minutes
0:18 You ready?
13:52 B-Line 3 (R3 RapidBus) actually ended going all along Lougheed
I heard something about a extension from coquitlam to pitt meadows, maple ridge, and mission not sure when thats suppose to happen but thats what I heard.
THEY NEED TO BUILD THE UBC SKYTRAIN LINE ALL THE WAY!!! Why the hell are they just building a part of it... Makes me so maddddd
what happened to 135 line?
SO the Broadway Extension will be like the R4 41st Ave RapidBus except starting at VCC-Clark instead of Joyce-Collingwood
Are you the same guy that does every frame a painting? I find your voice hella soothing. ^^ This video was hecka interesting.
I wish I was.
Wait what there are two North Vancouvers?
Great job! When will broadway line start?
I live in Fleetwood, so I'm excited for the light rails
Ben Ellis ummmmmm how??? that useless lrt that runs from guildford mall to newton ??? the busiest and most traffic area especially rush hour is fraser highway route from king george to langley. if these retards really did their studies... from surrey central towards Langley to the fraser valley that's where people are moving too and not newton. they should keep that stupid bline that's barely full anytime of the day and build a train system towards Langley instead... try riding the 502 and i bet you... you will change your mind in one go.
Does Mac know about this?
Choco Manger it seemingly ... goin his on way...
Living in the Austin heights, it's a bit annoying being surrounded by skytrains but not anything near me. Maybe a subway, lrt or skytrain
I think a dedicated centre lane for rapid transit buses with traffic signal priority would be enough. From North Road to Mariner, and up to Coquitlam centre.
I would agree with Option 3 at 7:54. This option for transit improvements does not interfere with traffic nor cyclists and pedestrians. Converting back to a surface-level train line doesn't make sense. Decades of technology advancements and innovation could render new (NOT existing) streetcar/trolley/tram/light rail/LRT systems unnecessary and outdated sooner by autonomous vehicles including autonomous BRTs. Also the new #SkyTrain Arbutus line can provide a faster and efficient alternative connection without being affected by street-level traffic such as vehicle accidents and crime sites, to other areas within Vancouver without having to exit gated fare paid zone. The new line could either be part of the existing BCRTC or ProTransBC system or a new indepedent system using rubber-tyres like Busan Metro Line 4 (th-cam.com/video/RLbY2V4TXSE/w-d-xo.html ), Guangzhou Metro APM Line (th-cam.com/video/LjDr--4GYkk/w-d-xo.html ), Daegu Metro Line 3 (th-cam.com/video/qqTA_7_dZKI/w-d-xo.html ), or even Chongqing Rail Transit monorail lines (In addition to being elevated, they can travel on ground level and underground like #SkyTrain too: th-cam.com/video/xH4MDzEnC28/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/KY_CjmjnJ8M/w-d-xo.html ). Another option I would propose for transit along #ArbutusCorridor is BRT using bi-articulated buses or if going one step further is this (using 4-car variant: th-cam.com/video/Dd3N9CFKe9M/w-d-xo.html ). In the future, this line could be extended north via downtown and Burrard to West Van and Horseshoe Bay and south via Sea Island, West Richmond, and Steveston to Delta, Ladner, and Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal (or at least Tsawwassen Mills). This line could also have provisions for additional lines along Marine Dr, 49th Ave, and more. A 4th option is similar to Option 2 but has greater flexibility in going around obstacles than a streetcar/tram/trolley/light rail/LRT which is running BRT along the corridor like an LRT. To help make BRT greener is to allow cyclists to travel along the busways and using Solar Roadway panels (facebook.com/solarroadways/ ) in addition to utilizing electric power and propulsion. If an accident blocks the busway, then the buses can go on alternative routes to go around the accident by using existing streets even if a BRT vehicle is involved in an accident.
After 4 years .. what's the update for 2022 ?
Just to mention I was in Istanbul and man I was amazed by the tran system they have over there . Cheap and very reliable ..
For the money, the BYD Skyrail would be the best option for Vancouver.
So what are you're views on Surrey's light rail plan. Would like video about it.
Sky train to Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal and Tsawwaseen Mills.Extend Hwy 17 to Swatz Bay and branch to Ganges Salt Spring Island.
What about bus service on Scott road in Surrey. Y does everyone misses it.
319 should be replaced with a B line atleast in rush hour
The San Francisco Bay Area's rapid transit/heavy rail system, BART, and the San Francisco streetcar/light rail system, Muni Metro, serve two different purposes. BART which is the equivalent to SkyTrain is transport across several cities in four counties. Muni Metro is light rail transport only within the city of San Francisco.
That would work great somewhere like downtown Vancouver, but Surrey is almost entirely detached single family houses
@@joshmessmerthisherevancouv2996 A light rail system would work for transport within the city of Vancouver. Surrey, on the other hand, is a separate city in the metropolitan Vancouver area. So a rapid transit system like SkyTrain serves as transport between the two cities. The SkyTrain system has expanded significantly from my last visit in 2001. It appears British Columbia does not divide the province into counties such as the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Quebec and Prince Edward Island do and such as the states in the United States do.
The British Columbia Electric Railway ran streetcar systems in Vancouver from 28 Jun 1890 to 21 Apr 1955.
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In New Westminster from 7 Oct 1891 to 4 Dec 1938 bcer.trams.bc.ca/pics/nwlq.JPG
And in North Vancouver from 1 Sep 1906 to 23 Apr 1947
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Great video. But Canada Line is by SNC-Lavalin. They are run differently than skytrain. small details i guess.
A skytrain line along the austin heights would be nice
I think we should get rich Chinese investors to fund this.
Um no you are saying that The Lougheed B-Line will replace the 701 but it will just go on Lougheed
We need an extension to Tsawwassen and Ladner.
you could do a comparison video on translink and the ttc in toronto, which uses streetcars, or trolleys as put it, a lot
What if there was a completely different system and transit company for the Surrey, Delta, Langley, Abbotsford and possibly Chilliwack areas. A light rail system with the new centre hub at Whalley/Surrey Central. Call the system the Valley Line. Or another option, have a rail system like the west coast express to connect from Scott Road Stn. along the old train tracks up to Kennedy Heights, through Scottsdale, through Newton, through Cloverdale, through Langley Centre, split one direction to Abbotsford and another line possibly connecting all the way to Chilliwack or Hope also called the Valley Line. Expensive options yes but with Surrey being the city of the future and possibly bigger than Vancouver, these could be options that would make a huge difference in the next 100 years
Also Scott Road could be the connector for the High Speed Rail going to Portland, Oregon