This Billboard Producer is Stealing Beats
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Dude gets the rare opportunity to make music professionally and he doesn't even want to make music
Sick of this shit they give opportunities to ppl who are bound to mess up
he's said he's sick of the way the industry works now, just two chords playing over and over, so i guess he stopped trying
@@JusTVIDSE I remember him saying this. He's sick of the way the music industry works, so he decides to make it even more worse? Screw him bruh
@@Aywusgod problem is all that counts in this society is Money and complex music isn't commercially succesful especially in the times of playlists.
If you want to make a living of real music you have to play shows all the time and you can barely live of it.
@@gehteuchnichtsan7911 I feel u, but in Pvlace's position I wouldn't really give a shit tbh. You make big money making music. That's the dream for all of us. I'd kill to be stuck in a studio everyday, even if it's just creating 2 chord 8 bar loops. You could still make it fun. And you could just make that creative shit on the side. Pvlace threw everything away
Back then those vlogs with Gunboi and Pvlace were motivational to me, this is heart wrenching fr
I swear… I can’t believe it.
Can’t believe PVLACE would throw his career away like this 😭 just fucking credit your homie
@@colinf0x57 thats being greedy 🤷🏽♂️
I remember those cook up vlogs shit was inspiring fr
Sad seeing how their relationship fell apart
hope they don't remove it
If you have been following Palace for a while now then you know Gun boi was really the person making MOST of those loops.
PVLACE is a disgrace for producers, flexing that hard, and stealing like this? SHAME on HIM!
You know how lame you gotta be to be a producer stealing beats from another producer
Or a artist stealing/taking advantage of beats from a producer. This industry is really pathetic bro
Fr Man Smh
exactly this was pure greed, laziness and lack of respect.
just a sad situation all around, hope gunboi can get the justice he deserves
Same happened to me, guy wanted to buy the beat, made the song but just couldn’t pay for it. Always had excuse for not paying.
And a lot of your favourites have been doing it since day one.
Not even beats.. Melodies.. How lazy you have to bee to struggle to find 4 nice chords?
I'm from Germany and RIN is one of the bigger German pop/rap artists out there and working with him is a very big opportunity. So sad the palace took that away from him.
hahha niemand gibt einen fick auf rin hahah
@@sbjncn ok
Haha huge opportunity
@@sbjncn wtf
@@colinmason7613 bruder pvlace hat für thugger, juice und all die produziert der juckt sich nicht für rin
Those fl projects are 100% proof. Coming from someone that has worked with fl for years it says the date time and even working hours on a project. And when you do midi you bounce it out to a sample I feel he has more then enough proof.
yeah thats the easiest way to tell. just check the flp date. lol
big facts bro i render out shit too 💯💯💯💯
I dont render my midis in the beat project, I do that when I export the beat, then I arrange the loop and export It but also a lot of people do the other thing
@@JoJoBeats6670 I used to do the same now its a mix of both but also I always sample out the midi so in case of a vst not working or any issues i have that midi in sample form. And I do the zip loop package when I can remember to. That zip loop package is dope cus it puts all the sounds,samples, vocal takes all in a zip pack.
Pvlace stole beats not only from GUNBOI but also from this other German producer named ALECTO. And we calling this man the Michael Liangelo of melodies!? Smh
Prove of the ALECTO pleas
"the Michael Liangelo"? Who said this lol most of his melodies were sounding like some medieval gettogether. Everytime he showed loops there were like 2 out of 20 that genuinely catched me.
Michael Liangelo? I think you meant Michelangelo lol
@@infrarot4052 bruh his loop on k like a russian is crazy asf
@@kago1739 😂😂😂
cant believe people actually be fake producin out here 😂 isn’t that the FUN part of all this shit? who wants to be networking all day weird af
he's just money hungry and probably saw beat making as "easy money". hes in it for the wrong reasons and now ppl are clapping back on his fakeness.
@@3moryk most people nowadays are in music for the wrong reasons and especially as rap producers/loop makers!!
some people would rather party drink and do drugs
This is why I’ve always been hesitant to collab with producers
Work only with ppl where u get a good vibe not the ones u feel where it gotta be forced
“Palace, what you cooking up?” Nothing 😂
Pvlace was always complaining about producers stealing his loops and midis... smh
facts. also always complained in general. mostly about how his "simple 2 note beats" would place and make thousands instead of the ones he works hard on (imagine complaining about making $1-5k from 5-10 minutes of work). turns out, he barely worked hard at all.
@@3moryk *2 chord beats
He actually would say he doesn’t care if people steal his packs for free
@@noone-dq2qz no you got it wrong. He wouldn’t care if someone DOWNLOADED “his“ packs for free but he would still insist on the royalty share if the beat would get placed.
@RelaxWithBrando what’s your point? Some people don’t think the way you do and sell loops to make money. It’s their melody and right to share them. And nobody wants your loops so no worries there my guy :)
Thanks for making this, people like him get away with shit far too often
The fucked up thing is, they seemed to be great friends! They had a pretty entertaining vlog series travelling around germany and producing songs together and even apart from DIRECTLY stealing, one would think youd want your fellow producer friends to come up too.
And to think pvlace was the producer who always represented the little guy. Someone who'd made it across the world from nothing, and we thought appreciated it so much more because of that. Now not only is he just a greedy snake, but not even as talented as people thought
Fck pvlace at this point
Feels like everyone with public success gets a sudden urge to convince people they came from nothing, and it's almost never the case
@@SloanBellamy I agree, but most EU producers only make it big in their respective countries at best, which is still really small time compared to the American scene.
The fact that Pvlace got so deep into the American Hip Hop industry as a European kid basically is very impressive (tho not so much anymore).
This is the rap game. All the big artists have scammed someone at some point and not cared about it.
This Why You Make ALL Of Your Beats From Scratch. No Loops No Midi.Theres Gonna Be Alot Of These Soon
Safest way
or if you use loops, don't sell the beat
pvlace made basically in the last 2 years nothing in terms of beats and loops. gunboi was the man on the keyboard, everything came from him. gunboi made ALL the melodies and drums. Pvlace just made a litle bit of the sounddesign. I was on his digital workshop and i saw it with my own eyes. But at the end its really funny. Pvlace talked a couple years ago, that wheezy stole from him and now we know that he is even a nastier thief haha.
Fr ich bin krass geschockt, und dann noch Fernser Team zu sich einladen und eigene Serie produzieren lassen...
@@6mane Größenwahn ;)
@@6mane und in so interviews bullshit reden, digga wie erbärmlich ist das denn
@@6mane er ist halt immer noch ein geisteskranker producer aber natürlich eklige aktion
and to be honest to this day i dont think wheezy stole i feel like pvlace gave it to him and expected something in return and got nothing
And the guy being stolen from is the one being sued? How typical.
I really enjoy the way you produce these videos. Well done. I didn't even know this kind of stuff was even going on out there in the Beat World. You gained a subscriber. Great Content.
This is probably wayy more common than we think too
Agreed
It’s really nice to see light shed on these topics because it lets you know who to not work with or support. This happens all the time and we don’t even know bout most of it.
This is why I will never collab with anyone unless we make a written contract. But really this is a sad situation as I held much respect for that punk Denis. GUNBOI STAND UP!
thats how you do it!!!!! people get mad when you bring out the paper work docusign account for me
Just to roughly translate PVLACE's manager's message: "It's enough. They have overstepped boundaries and they will regret upsetting me. Of course everything is easier in hindsight, but that is just too late.
The biggest liar and the most ungrateful person I know. My lawyers opened a case worth 50.000. We've sent out post to Gunboi as well as an E-Mail.
If Gunboi doesn't stop here, I'll have to go even further."
Even tho you have to admit that the german used in the message was definitely written by google translator or sum. this doesnt sound like a native german wrote it, seems kind of fake to me. im not trying to defend anyone, i just want to point out that this message seemed a little sus to me
@@yungwee3380 I agree. even for an angry person who rushes a text message, there are lots of unusual mistakes like "B" instead of "ß" and missing Umlaute. ive seen this errors before with non-native speakers who have a different language keyboard setup (they dont have ß so they substitute with B). even a translation program wouldn't put B instead of ß. my conclusion is, the sender is a very bad german speaker and doesn't natively use german keyboard setup. definitely sus message and not something you would expect from a manager or other official source.
@@jekkt why do people use capital B if this german symbol can be transcripted like "ss" or am i wrong?
@@trueshaper1411 yes it should be like that
Post means mail in German. So he’s probably getting sued or something and the letter is on its way.
Technology makes it nearly impossible to steal beats and get away with it, especially if you are using social media. This case is pretty clear. You could tell when PVLACE played the beat, there was no emotional connection to it, even as a bystander. People who lack experience, don't seem to understand the physical cues they give, to let others know they are dishonest...hence the face scratches and emotional detachment. Good work! 🧐
Sincerity is absent in our zeitgeist. Chivalry is dead. Sarcasm is our first language. A generation fueled by hatred, greed and disgust.
L L
@@tryingtotryistrying are you smokin dust
@@tryingtotryistrying 😐
@@tryingtotryistrying This....this is why you don't get invited to parties.
WOW! Producers......ALWAYS keep ORIGINAL FILES! And then BACK those up on an external drive! Been doing it for years! Great vid Weaver! #protectyourselves
PVLACE finessed his way in to the industry, you can't trust somebody like him
It's always amazing to me that people if they have something good going just ruin it because of money. Yeah you get less money if you have to split it with others but in the longterm it stacks up. Better than to ruin your whole reputition to get to the check instantly. Sad to see.
my thoughts exactly
Glad somebody is actually talking about this bs🔥🙌🏻keep up the vids
Oh man...nobody just all of a sudden wakes up one day and switches from being a creative musician to biting chunks out of someone else's stuff like that. So he's probably been stealing from other producers as well. Bet it's only a matter of time before other producers start finding their property in his possession also.
always a pleasure to watch you're content bro, thx
we been called falace out. Spicy sunday did that back in 2019. Cap has now come full circle. love to see it 😂😂
it is upon us lmao
MG predicted this almost exactly down to the smallest detail of how it happened. Crazy
the day of reckoning is upon him. imagine having to explain this to ur parents
@@pillpoppa exactly! 😤😤
@@pillpoppa or ur whole village in Germany smh
This is crazy man I would have never expected him to do this. Great content btw! Just found your channel from this video
crazy to see you here, hi
gunboi - "i'm not a shit talker"
weaver - "i'm a shit talker"
Thats pretty sad to hear tf. Gunboi we with you 🔒
Good vid. Weaver ty.
I saw the masterclass they both put out. Gunboi was doing all the work Pvlace was just pressing Record . 😂
THIS CONTENT IS KILLING IT. loved ur other stuff but this was so easy and enjoyable to watch like a penguinz0 video but for music producers
Thank you man. Moist critikal is legend.
Thank you for talking bout it! 🙏🏼
Thanks for the updates, that's so crazy they were basically friends. See that shit time and time again. Like they could of been on some cool shit like: hey gunboi I used your loop for these placements, I'll let you know if I get money, or we can work out some fair agreement, I got the placements, you made it, ect. But, Nah they always do some sneaky shit, and turn so quick. I thought pvalace was cool I guess not, honestly I kind of sensed that shit. They could work something out, but nah kid goes full awol.
Eveyone knows the super secret pvlace molody sauce was Gunboi all along!!🤣🤣
I remember watching his producergrind and being all secretive about revealing his master chain.bros master is prob just Gunboi this whole time 😂
shit's crazy.. pvlace is a guy i used to really look up to but everyday i'm more confronted with the fact that money makes people do anything, really sad to witness this
Justice for gunboi
I knew about this already. Way ahead of you brother.
11:53 he looked so proud pretending to play a beat "he made"
glad that gunboi is calm, kinda laughing on it but still moving with it
Same
Love this video and your channel man saved me from buying drip big luv 🤞🏽
Friend of mine had the same issue, some guy made youtube videos and claimed that he made all by him self and shared the Serum Preset Pack under the Video as free download. Only Problem, it was the Preset Pack of my friend and that one is not free.
I‘m from Germany and it’s crazy to see this video because Pvlace was very busy doing interviews and putting his face out there the last two years and he even said a documentary is on the way.
Also the story how he got signed to 808 Mafia makes more sense now though
@@RealChialike he said that he paid someone on the darknet to find out the e-mail account of Southside via Instagram and then he sent Southside a package full of loops.
@@BenBER527 Oh shit!!
he not even 808 mafia anymore they booted him lol it still says it on his bio but im sure he slow asl
@masonunterstrich to be fair, he got signed to 808 mafia before he worked with gunboi. All the loops he made by himself.
@@studioonewrld yes
"What the fuck did you do to it"
Same exact think i was thinking when i heard it.
I be glad to hear this. Makes me feel like I actually got a chance honestly lol
A chance of getting ripped off 😵
@@Weaverbeats seriously tho 😂
Mad! I’m just surprised, did they not expect he would find out eventually?
So weird right. I thought Pvlace always appeared very intelligent. Never thought he'd be so stupid to do these things, and so recklessly
prob a mix of greed and carelessness thinking nobody would notice or if they did notice wouldnt care because of all the social media goodwill he built himself the past few years.
pretty sad and pathetic honestly considering the brock luker situation just a year ago come to find out mans the same piece of shit
People are stealing beats everyday. It's almost the norm these days. But there needs to be justice for the producers that produced samples, melodies for these contract warrior "producers" that are on Spotify and other music platforms selling the beats for money and fighting over keeping all the percentages for themselves, it's a sad development in the music industry, there needs to more justice in this section of music.
This the best video keep doing these.
About 10 years ago I got screwed like that by a Serbian rapper. I made the beat, talked to him in dm and said I would like to give you the beat for free if you would give me the credit. He agreed. When the song came out, they took my melody and made a brand new beat around it and I never got the credit.
Damn bro
Bro, take that shit to court if it made any money. That sucks
Take that as lesson. Never give anything away for free
You can sue them, what you need to prove in court is that they listened to your track. You already have proof. They have no case, you do.
@hansmemling2311 it would have to be internationally since I live in US or I would have to go to Serbia. Too much hassle for probably not much of money.
Crazy… i’m from Heilbronn, the city where Pvlace lives. We all look up to him but seeing him stealing beats is just sad
pvlace always was a sus guy, the dude said something different to the same question every interview
Yeah I knew PVLACE was ass when bro was blantaly selling sample packs and loops with the DO NOT USE FOR STREAMING OR SELLING notice on them lol
That looked shady af haha
At that Point don't but his sample packs
I think you are talking about the „deconstructed“ packs. These loops were already used in songs and he put the presets, midi etc in there. But doesn’t change that he’s shady
It's standard practice for sample packs that you can use them as parts of songs, but you can't resell them, or upload the whole pack where people can get it for free.
Unfortunately, there are people that buy sample packs and then upload the beats to Spotify etc in order to pass them off as their own work and to get paid for it.
@@AutPen38 you should be to get a sample or loop cleared and share 50/50. If you can't even do that then there's no point of even buying a pack.
Niko East was a producer that was well known in the underground rap scene for his RnB sounds. 2 months ago he got exposed for stealing beats. After receiving backlash he deleted all his social media accounts. It was heartbreaking when I found out
Yuh his shit was damn near worse bro just put his tag on mp3s and sold them
exactly, he was a huge influence for me as a producer aswell. so sad to see it wasn’t him at all.
So he just stole the whole beat? No changes to it?
@@BblCharlieee yes niko just downloaded beats from a sample library and put his tag on them and sold em
@@KeegTheDemon oh god, so awful 😣
This problem is much bigger than it seems. Every loopmaker has encountered this and continues to face it. These people are known, that's why it came out in public, but a lot of cases in which loopmakers are simply forgotten and do not appreciate their work. I'm a loopmaker, so I know what kind of feeling it is ;)
This happens to every loopmaker atleast once in their career especially when you upcoming. Its actually a normal thing to not get credited and payed and its crazy
every producer will encounter this. I already had people shamelessly rip my beats off youtube, record songs, and then put them on spotify without credit or pay.
The only problem here…stop being a “loop maker” and especially stop uploading loops to splice then expecting credit later. It’s literally in the terms of use that they’re “royalty free” and “clearance free” when they come from splice. Can’t come back later and ask for money under those circumstances. Smh
@@zigafide that’s the most common thing as a producer. But this is way worst, because he’s a famous producer doing it. And this producers run up numbers and make a lot of money.
@@2gunzfilms425 man how slow you are? Nobody here talking about splice and it dosnt matter how we call us. „Loopmaker“ „producer“ the name is completely unnecessary in this topic. Its about getting no credit and no royalties for sending out to bigger producers who give af about the smaller unknown producers
Well if you just take a listen to Pvlace‘s Loops pre 2019 before he met GUNBOI then you can see how his style was totally different. After 2019 it just became GUNBOI‘s Melodys.
Thank you so much!
This is a banger idea! keep it up!
The real problem is we don't have Producer's anymore. We have beatmakers. If you start engaging in recording sessions being present in he studio with the Artist actually seeing the song from itial concept to finish, then beats won't get stolen. You don't hear about Dr. Dre or Rodney Jerkins beats get stolen because they are real Producer's that does more than just make beats. A real Producer actually produces the song.
oh hell no
@@d3rduck Just giving advice why it's a problem. Timbaland sad the same thing that we don't have Producer's anymore. Both Timbo and Swizz beats both agreed that we need more Producer's as there ja too many beat makers. There is a big difference between real Producer's and beat makers as the market is very over saturated with track makers.
This is a fucking braindead take
big facts bro this era dead ima bring it back to life 💯💯💯💯
@@ronnellblack1827 6 months later you did fuc-all
Thank you for shining light on this.
"real mafia vibes" 🤣😂
When I was on Beatstars I had a growing number of producers wanting to collab with me. I shut all of them down.
This is really sad to see. But only the fact how Pvlace/his management want to „ignore“ Gunboi publicly and how they are trying to delete evidence shows, that there might be even more. I’m following both for a long time but I’m 100% on Gunbois side. He is such an talented Artist and just „using“ him makes me kinda angry…also because I thought Pvlace liked him as a friend too.
Anyone who’s been following Pvlace for a while isn’t surprised by this. He even said Gunboi did the melody for Slatty, he basically just did small mixing work and put his name on it
Saw this on Twitter, it’s good we don’t let stuff like this slide in the community. This is some snake stuff
why wouldn't he just do the work.. like at the very least apologize and make it right... dudes about to fuck up every relationship he ever made.. he was the last person I woulda thought would do some shit like this ..
I remeber a Vid short of Southside saying *paraphrasing "we done using producer loops, even if you signed to 808 dont send me any more," ...with this event with Palvce being a 808 affiliate, I can see why
Pvlace supposedly threatening Gunboi with the feds for tax evasion sounds like a very Pvlace thing to do. He's the type of dude that buys an ounce with sweaty hands and thanks the dope boi when he knows the oz is 6 grams short 😂😂
Beats and such getting stolen by producers and artists is not a new concept. It happens way more often than you would imagine. Most of the time perpetrators try and pay off the person who’s content they stole just like in this situation, however it works a lot, unlike this situation.
thanks for shedding some awareness on this man
There’s a video of Denny Palace’s manager trying to delete samples they stole from the Dropbox yet it says, “Deleted by Denny at 7:00am” Dude doesn’t even cover his tracks properly 😂
KARMA. && that sound @ 0:17 caught me off guard sounds 3D, cool af
bro that shit is crazzy homie stealin tf outta his shit
In that email from the manager they say like "gunboi is the biggest liar" , "they tryna threat him with a 50.000€ injunctive relief" - "watchout whats gonna happen bla bla" ... half the shit is the wrong grammar and none punctuation... what a manager is that?! Lol
That man need that entertainment lawyer to get busy. Crazy he couldn’t just pay him out instead of literally getting his page taken down smh
If you follow them they was together all the time vibin and traveling the world WTF as soon as last month
6:00 the translation is right and „post“ is oldschool Mail so a physical letter
Knew the industry was shady when cash money ap remade a whole type beat from some producer and didn’t even credited one of the producers who originally made the beat then the song he made the beat for, ended up being a billboard hit
Had this happen to me before, it sucks going to lyrical lemonade Or Spotify, tidal, etc and see another producers name on a placement with YOUR OWN TAG knowing you made it
?? your tag is on the beat & you still weren't credited/compensated? have you contacted any entertainment lawyers?
@@ssmfetti already in the process, they even released the song under their label and the artist who’s rapping isn’t even signed to them yet so it’s a whole bunch of fuck shit
@@Prodby3128 damn, the song is on colle bennets page, whats it called?
@@ssmfetti first day out
@@Prodby3128 first day out by who? there are a lot of songs named such
This shit is crazy man y’all watch y’all back bc you never know who is out to get you
When people make Melodie's with lots of effects and stuff on them, you often bounce them out into audio files like gunboi did, so that you can make even more changes to the melody
The same dudes crying about ppl stealing there shit are the same ones stealing vst’s 🤷♂️
Pvlace always talked about doing the paperwork and doing the business properly. did he mean only on his end when it benefited him only?
Stuff like this is exactly why I make sure to document everything and place it into my electronic vault [e.g., Google Drive, Dropbox, Microsoft OneDrive, etc.] before posting it onto my social media. That reason right there.
This was the best translation I could make for the text @ 4:50
“That's enough.
Tell your guy there will be trouble now.
POST IS ON ITS WAY
Now he's messing with me and he'll regret it.
Exceeded all the limits that exist.
Afterwards, you are smarter and smarter.
Then unfortunately it's too late.
The biggest liar and the most ungrateful pent
That I
I got to know each other. Now there's trouble!!!!
Lawyer switched on dispute value
50,000 cease and desist declaration
About the district court!!!!
Such a ungrateful guy.
The same email to Gunboi.
Gunboi also gets mail.
If he doesn't stop, I'll take the next steps.”
actually so messed up. big placements too.This man could be in his place, and palace uses people to get up in his career, how sick.
Lets go weaver
Pvlace is a goofy
Big W for u to post this
This is why the daw needs to have copyright protection of said song creation!
Less than 200 to GO!!!
yehh, gunboi 4 ever
💟
I miss gunboi’s streams. Dude has real talent
been waiting to hear about this i brought snacks.
That's a face scratch of someone that just stole a beat 🤣 exactly what I was thinking
xDDDDDDDDDD
4:50 im from Germany beasicly it Sayed that he is pissed that gunboi says that thinks. He calls him ungratefuland a liar plus that he will regret that. Also that he will send him a Lawyer and the 50k is what this cour case it worth Also it Says „ Unterlassungsklage“ wich means that if a court approves gunboi can’t say/(do) certain things. Idk if this is still relevant but that should sum this roughly up
Wow .. I’m speechless .. you can’t make this up