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The City of Toronto doesn’t allow scooters on public transit so no dice. Either scoot the whole way or don’t I guess could use an Uber XL but that is not saving any money in fact that would be expensive
When I ride my scooter on the greenway, I ride surrounded by nature with no stop lights and little traffic. The trip is almost as fast as my car and it's a lot better for my mental health.
You guys are missing a whole group of people you could be marketing to truck drivers we're very limited where the truck can fit I put a scooter in my truck love it opened up a whole new world
Truckers are always asking me about mine. I live in Rural Missouri where anything electric is frowned upon. But the truckers cant help but see me cruising along at 35mph and say wait a minute, that would be perfect for me.
I'm retired but have been riding motorcycles and motor scooters for over 50 years. Taking into consideration the cost of inflation moving forward and climate change I recently decided to "get into" electric scooter riding. I was amazed at what you can get for under $1K. Long story short, I believe it's feasible to get along with 2 wheels only and ditch the 4 wheeler but you've got to have the "mindset", cooperation of others (depending on circumstances), and a plan to do it. It's a very personal decision and you may not have shared enthusiasm by other family members . . . and then again you just may. The annual cost of car insurance alone can easily exceed the cost of an electric scooter. Having a motorcycle or motor scooter in addition to an electric scooter is a huge plus. Note that to support the day to day needs a $6K motorcycle or motor scooter can get the job done without having to spend well over $20K for a dream machine. Adding a trailer or sidecar is a plus (if possible). Weather is an issue of course so you have to dress for it. ATGATT for safety is a must. Look, for example, at Europe and Asia and see how human life finds a way to move and groove at minimal expense. At the end of the day some folks will need a 4 wheeler due to obligations, family needs, and practicalities, but it doesn't have to be a large energy consuming (both in manufacture and use) machine . . . it can be a smaller energy efficient vehicle that makes excellent use of space. That said, it can be augmented with a 2 wheeler(s) and only used when needed . . . not desired. This philosophy is a "hard sell" to many but to those who believe life is about the "experiences" and not just "stuff" it is a brilliant concept. Like it or not, now is the time to take serious measures to reduce pollution, waste, and reckless use of this planet and fend off injurious climate change. What goes around comes around. We breathe what we burn. Progress is not achieved by repetition. Progress is achieved by stepping out in constructive new directions time after time . . . one day at a time.
Absolutely! Also, your four-wheeler (if you have to have one) doesn't need to be a humongous gas-guzzler. An EV (even used one) might do the job for a fraction of the cost.
Great video! My wife and I had a similar experience that has changed our lives. When gas prices went crazy during COVID we both bought electric performance scooters, and tried to use them whenever we could. We didn't expect it, but it totally changed the way we think of transportation, and it saved us a TON of money as you have explained. Aside from that it's just super fun to ride, and I find myself making excuses to go for a joy ride. We will always own a single gas powered vehicle, but we will never again own a second vehicle, so that extra cost is gone. I'll just get an Uber on bad weather days if we both need the car at that time. One other benefit not explicitly mentioned in the video is not just the ease of finding a parking spot, but the ability to park right next to the door in most cases. Just lock it up at at the bike rack, and walk right in. No travelling across a huge parking lot, or wandering around the lot trying to find a space. It's awesome! You can even use a scooter for small shopping trips, and a quick life hack tip is to plop a hand basket on your scooter as you enter the door. This transforms your scooter into a shopping cart, and means that store managers aren't likely to bother you since you obviously can't ride it indoors, and it provides extra security against theft since it never leaves your possession.
Not to mention the fun factor value from riding a scooter. I suspect the freedom and fun a scooter can offer has had benefits to peoples mental health far in excess of the dollar savings also. Not to mention even crashing can be fun if you've got the right gear on. Don't skimp on wearing the safety gear folks.
I have a job in the city, and if I park by my job, it costs $17 per day on weekdays, but I can park further away for free, then just ride my scooter the rest of the way. That saves well over $100 a month just from parking.
Nice! I’m really enjoying my modified car-scooter commute too! My gas mileage has actually gone up from eliminating the stop-and-go car miles, and keeping the freeway miles. -Paul
For me is the gas savings and also time savings. Everyday I get stuck in traffic, and just seeing mortocyclits lane filtering makes me want a scooter even more You can go very slow and still save at least 20 minutes of traffic everday and turns 121 hours saved a year
i am lucky to live in a tropical year round sunny place so switching to scooter was a no brainer for me. i made a profit by the first month, my new scooter cost was cheaper than my vehicle registration and insurance alone, not to mention maintenance, parking, and gas cost.
cant put a price on fun and time brother but this video can help create a perspective for all the people that dont realize already. i mean, i have an apollo pro and because of that lil beast, if discovered more about my city and its inner working than i ever could have or would have even wanted to do dealing with a car. its a no brainer. if we really wanna talk about money though, wat about all the deliveries u can make with a scooter, especially if one uses a higher end scooter? u can earn a living from these machines, its amazing really. the benefits ad possibilities are vast.
Great point. I always wondered about deliveries and scooters and after doing the math for this video it makes more sense than ever why people use them for deliveries! -Paul
Just a few things to consider for people that want to use it a lot for trips to get groceries. Consider a compact one that has a high enough weight capacity combined with your weight. Picking a high water resistance rating is good too, can climb hills well if you live around hilly areas, and picking a scooter from a brand that is well known and has good customer service helps. If you can also find a close enough repair shop then it’s better, otherwise be prepared to repair or replace parts if need be. Have spare tires for both wheels, and maybe even being turned away at the door with certain stores if it’s too big or they just don’t want you carrying it around with you inside. Also, ask your manufacturer what lock type they recommend for your scooter, usually a U Lock or Chain lock will do, and the brand kryptonite sells good quality ones (just don’t leave it locked for long, try keeping it with you often because scooters aren’t cheap). Maybe even consider an electric unicycle, because they can be even smaller to carry around in something like a backpack.
Since pandemic started I’ve logged 15,280 scooter miles (1,000 Glion Dolly, 980 Horizon, 5,200 Mantis Base, 5,400 Mantis Pro, 2,700 Nami). So saved about $6,200 in gas so far 😁 Total spent on 5 scooters: $9,648
Calgary Canada. $400/month downtown parking. Literally one or two months for the cost. Gas is about $5/gallon US equivalent, but electricity is only 6 cents per kwh.
The main issue I see with this is that not many scooter actually make the 1200+ miles. A lot of the cheaper ones (and some more expensive) breaks down after not that many miles
This is one of the mo$t very smart video about scooters... It makes you Richer and Cleaner (and you dON'T have to give up your car, they can work together...) Bravo! Merci.
Thanks for the video sir. It was really informative. I was only skeptical of the fact how much the electricity is gonna cost which you clarified right at the beginning. Really appritiate
One thing I would like to see from scooter manufacturers going forward is for them to be working towards increasing the IP rating. Scooters are a blast to ride, but we are exposed to the elements, and I don't want bad weather to necessarily always be a hinderance to my scootering if I have to ride. I'm lazy and don't really want to have to waterproof my scooter myself so this is one aspect I would like the manufacturers to work on improving in the future.
We're getting there. The Wolf King GT is IPX5 now, and the 2022 Apollo City is IP56. But I'm with you, I dream of a day when the average electric scooters is as water resistant as the average motorcycle. -Paul
I have a Subaru STI protuned. Only make16mpg and only uses premium gas. Since I bought the Kaabo Wolf King GT I probably have saved over 300 in 2 months. There’s definitely cost savings when it comes to electric scooters. Great video guys.
eScooters are great (they're NOT toys) but I still have a niggling question - considering there's going to be a very significant amount of electricity required (recharging) - not as much as if there were electric cars/buses only - what's gonna be the source? Fossel fuels? Nuclear? Solar? Wind? Seems to me we're addressing one set of planetary problems & replacing them with others......
Even if we ran the generators on gasoline to make electricity for scooters, we’d burn about 1/40th as much fuel for the same miles. No matter how you slice it, scooters are a huge net win for energy consumption. -Paul
eScooter's battery size is about 1/200 the size of a low-end Tesla, and so to fully charge a 2.4mAh battery like what you would see on an extremely large scooter like the vsett 10+ would cost about 30 cents. However, the new generation of electric cars all start out over 6000 pounds with almost 2600 pounds of that being battery. So the vast majority of questionable energy decisions will be decided by automobiles and not eScooters. eCars barely outsell all other electric vehicles in the US while using about 200 times more battery, and eCars get substantial government subsides while eScooters and eBikes are heavily taxed; hence it seems clear the US has decided NOT to back eScooters and eBikes. Finally, to address the source of energy; we can use coal/natural gas/oil and be as dirty as you want, or wind/solar/nuclear and be as clean as you want, but it makes little difference either way as the infrastructure cost to build roads for heavy vehicles exceeds the carbon output of the transportation sector.
It is inherently better to drive a tiny vehicle than a large one. Plus, if it caught on in a significant way, stand still vehicle traffic could be vastly reduced, which just that one change would save TONS of energy. Traffic jams are an enormous waste of resources (time and material). When you look around at all these big suvs with single occupants, recognize the waste going on.
Die kWh von meiner 27 Jahre alten PV-Anlage kostet mich an meiner Steckdose ca. 1 Cent/kWh und das ohne Stromspeicher. Beim E-Auto + PV-Stromüberschuss sind das ca. 0,20 €/100km an Energiekosten.
That one isn’t currently on our radar, but I would love to test it and review it to see how it compares to the 60V Warrior and the King GT Pro that we tested. In the mean time, performance should be the same as our tests of the original 60V and riding experience should be very close to out review of the King GT Pro. -Paul
Unless you could get rid of your car (where you live close to everywhere you need to go), otherwise the savings is not that much, since you still have to pay for car insurance and maintenance even you you drive less (only slightly less if you need to commute far). Insurance and maintenance costs don't decrease that much even if you drive less. And still it's too risky to get rid of your car in case you need to go somewhere further, which is very likely. Or when you need to carry or buy something that you scooter won't fit, which is very common as well.
You never included the degradation and replacement cost of the scooter battery. A karbo King GT scooter is cheaper over a short distance but a motorcycle will kick the scooters but at 100,000kms travelled.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide it will last many years with the battery degrading over time. A scooter will only last, if you do short distance travel. A motorcycle will kick a scooter's butt on 100,000 km travelled. The scooter battery will need to be replaced many times over, making it more expensive than a motorcycle. An e-scooter is a great mode of transport for city people or people who travel short distances. In Australia a Kaebo King Gt cost $6000 AUD and the battery replacement cost is 50 percent of the initial purchase price. If you want to get 100 000kms out of your GT then the battery replacement cost is going to be awfully expensive.
@@Travelingman-1980 well, following that logic, you should consider the motorbike insurance, taxes, fuel, preventive maintenances, wheel changes, chain and sprockets changes, braking pads changes, oil changes, etc etc... Strongly disbelieve that a decent motorbike (yamaha, Kawa, KTM, DUCATI, etc.) is cheaper than an expensive electric scooter.
@@JuanSQuiP I did the comparison on a Yamaha T700 and it was cheaper than a Kaebo GT King at 100,000kms. The problem with the video's analysis is, it does not include battery replacement cost.
@@Travelingman-1980 I get your point but I have a bmw s1000r and only one year of insurance is enough to cover the cost of a new 30ah baterry for these scooters, even more... And My insurance is on the cheap side for that kind of bike. That's why I say, I find it hard to believe that a decent motor bike (from 400cc and up) is cheaper than a scooter on the long run, at least in my country.
Late to the party, but an interesting video nonetheless. I've thought about the cost savings of e-scooting vs driving, but there was always one category of cost that always plagued my brain: reparability and long term viability. e-scooter's are great cost wise when things are properly working, but when they aren't, they end up to be expensive paperweights (you could say the same about cars too). If lack of parts or expertise in repairing/maintaining e-scooters is present, the cost of e-scooting shoots up drastically since you'll most likely have to buy another e-scooter. I guess the best way I sum it up is if you spend the same $ on a car on e-scooters (just for them stock), whether or not the cost of ownership + usage would still be better. For me I already have a hand me down car that was given to me, and I've already spent $3k on all my escooters thus far. Sometimes I wonder if it would have been better to have spent that on fuel instead considering I haven't made my return yet buying my scooters.
I've only been a scooter owner for a year, but so far the only repairs I've had to do is fixing flats. Maybe the scooter(s) you've bought haven't been the best quality?
-I also count my time as cost savings. My commute is bus (3.5 mi) to train to bus (1.5 mi). If I replace the bus with my scooter, I not only save $2.50 in fares, but my commute is 30-40 minutes shorter each way. It makes a difference when you can lessen your commute to 1h 10m from 1h 40m or 1h 50m. -That hour a day at a decent pay rate will pay off my $650 scooter in less than a month and then you throw on another $100 a month from fare savings. I mean I consider it a bargain that I could pay for the scooter in 6+ months from fare savings alone! -I love my scooter so much, I am upgrading to an Evolv Terra after just 3-4 months of riding my more budget scooter. Now I just need to find a way to sell my old one. (still great, I've just outgrown it)
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Loved the way you broke down the numbers. I’d love to hear you give a similar breakdown of the electrical operations of PEVs. For instance, if I wanted to modify my scooter with a more powerful set of motors; what specifications should my battery be and how should I calculate this etc. That’s just an example but I’m noticing that maintenance and modification information is in high demand these days and your clear straight-forward approach would be a great asset to learning more. Thanks again. Shout out to Chuck & the Crew!
I calculated a >92% reduction for fuel cost for commuting, switching from my car to my e-scooter. Fuel cost of my car: 1.80€/L / 15km/L = 0.12€/km (≈ 0.20$/mi) Fuel cost of my e-scooter: Range = 45 km Battery capacity = 860Wh = 0.86kWh Charger efficiency = say 90% => Total energy used for recharging = 0.86 kWh / 0.9 = 0.95 kWh 0.40€/kWh * 0.95 kWh / 45 km = 0.0084 €/km (≈ 0.0138 $/mi) Conclusion: for me the car is >14 times more expensive per km. Is it worth my time? Commute back and forth - CAR: Average time = 27*2 = 54 minutes Distance = 17*2 = 34 km Cost = 34 * 0.12 = 4.08 € (average speed = 37.8 km/h = 23.5 mph) Commute back and forth - E-Scooter: Average time = 40 * 2 = 80 minutes Distance = 14*2 = 28 km Cost = 28 * 0.0084 = 0.235 € (average speed = 21 km/h = 13 mph) Time difference = 80 - 54 = 26 minutes = 0.4333 h Cost difference = 3.85 € Hourly savings = 3.85 / 0.4333 = 8.89 € / h Which is a bit higher than my net hourly salary lol
I think there is a small upfront cost just to get the scooter a little more reliable. Soldering wires and waterproofing the deck will go a long way. It took a little bit but I feel my Kaabo mantis pro 10 se is now a solid commuter from a few little tweaks and I feel most of these Chinese scooters are the same
People look at scooters and electric bicycles and think "oh man that's expensive", largely because they aren't doing the long-term math. In the long term, either one is a huge cost savings even if you still own a car. I use an electric bike for almost all of my travel here in Japan, since my farthest trip during the day is about 5km. It's a fantastic and inexpensive way to get around.
Hello Paul: Thank you for your video. A friend of mine had a Scooter for about USD 1200,- and the motor had to be replaced after only 500 miles. A big waste of resources and energies! Compared to this a regular bicycle lasts almost forever. Scooters are actually a great idea, but if they don't last for long, it's bad. Another disadvantage is that battery packs cannot be taken off from most of the Scooter models. With and E-Bike one can gave several batteries. Which Scooters in your opinion are built to last? If of only the ones from Dualtron for USD 7'000,-, 8'000,- and so on are really good, it's again no good.
Hi Jonas, Dualtron’s reputation is no longer deserved. They make nice scooters, but have little to no advantage in terms of reliability. Hopefully your friend’s motor was covered under warranty. For scooters which are ridden a lot, any manufacturing defect should fail during the warranty period, and then it should be relatively smooth sailing until wear starts to become a factor. My guess is that the most reliable scooters will be ones made by companies who have produced sharing scooters like Okai and Segway Ninebot. But Kaabo, Apollo, Voro etc are catching up quickly. More and more scooters have swappable batteries to extend range. I’m getting ready to review a relatively low cost scooter with really nice battery swapping hardware. -Paul
Cars also need maintenance as well. Also when buying a new car some need to be returned to the dealer for warranty repairs, no different then a scooter. Only issue with scooters there are far and few when it comes to service centers. Part replacements are another problem. As for the battery i totally agree that every manufacturer that make these small scooter should have a swappable battery, not just for the convenience of charging but for theft. The desire to steal a scooter is less when one of the most expensive part is missing. But for those scooters like wolf king, those are massive batteries. I think most would not appreciate pulling out the battery and carrying them. But a swappable battery makes it supper convenient when replacing or having an extra on hand to extend ride times.
”Even lower if you charge your scooter at work.” I’m in the Philippines and I charge mine at coffee shops. I just order a cheap cup of coffee and let their outlets do the work. AHHAAHAHAHHA
I love all your reviews and all these great scooters, but I am interested in a review of TN-X1 Talenic long Range scooter before I make up my mind to buy a scooter for commute to work, can you, will you.
Hey electric scooter guide team! Can we get the Apollo Phantom v2 or v3 vs Mantis pro v2 or Mantis v2 (24ah) vs Wolf Warrior X please! For the best performance scooter under 2k?
As i live in VANCOUVER, I completely understand how scooter saves money but for 4 months there is hard rain here in this city, and i dont think so we can ride scooters in HARD RAIN, any alternative for this issue ? Coz i really want to sell my car which is taking1000$/ month.
Great point! We’ve been waiting and waiting for a really waterproof scooter. They’re getting better and better, but I’ll bet we’re a year or two away from a time when most scooters are as water proof as most modern motorcycles. It’s frustrating. For occasional light rain, anything that’s IPX5 or higher will do the trick, but for what you’re taking about, you need IPX6. There are a couple out there that are spec’d that high or higher. Apollo City and I think the Wolf King GT Pro. -Paul
Hey Vosk, I currently have a Ninebot Max gen 1 with 750 miles on it. At what point should I change my bearings? I really can't find an answer anywhere.
We have a standard of how we test scooters! Same driver! Same conditions and same course. Real world range is always way different then the claimed range. Thanks
We haven't tested that one. When checking out range numbers careful to click the button that shows our test data. The database will also show claimed range which is usually waaaaay to high. -Paul
Hi, I currently am riding a fluid horizon, and my gf has a off-brand m365 (it’s literally identical). We’re looking to get her a upgrade but the only issue is that she can’t really carry the weight of the horizon after trying for a couple times. Is there any suggestions? Anything under 1000 will do, we’re currently looking at uscooter and Apollo air pro, but wonder whether you guys have other suggestions
I think he should get one of those cargo bikes that could fit 2 people in the front basket and drop his kids off with that. No need for a car when there's a much embarrassing option to drop his kids off in
Not here in Norway we arent. 12mph cap and 4feet length maximum on all scooters. Have to be locked by the seller. Waste... Electric cars are the only saviour for us it seems
It’s factored in by assuming the scooter only has a 5 year lifespan and also as part of repair cost. As long as the BMS is working correctly, you should get 500 cycles out of a battery with minimal degradation. Without factoring in parking, the $500scooter saves $2,600 in car costs by the time the battery hits 500 cycles.
The odds of replacing a battery in a good scooter is very low, probably much lower than the average non-fatal car accidents in the US, which are expensive to repair.
Why I bought my electric scooter? I bought my kaabo skywalker 8s brand new 2 weeks ago for $610 instead of their regular $1000 plus tag. It's my first electric scooter and it goes 45 kmh which is fast for me as of now. I bought it because my 8 miles trip from my house to work one way takes a whopping an hour and 30 minutes. The traffic is so bad! I can't speak for everyone, but my work pays either my monthly parking or metro. I charge my scooter at my work. I save money on metro and charging bill. I love it! Best of all, it's the enjoyment! I only use my car when it rain because I am not sure if my scooter is water resistant.
The only problem with all this is that electric scooters are illegal where i come from and can only be ridden on private property. Maybe you can speak to the idiots we call government and make them see sense though i doubt you would get very far. Thanks for the video
You didn’t mention cost to have a bodily traffic accident while commuting on scooter. I.e. a suddenly opened car door can send a cyclist or scooter rider into hospitals a few months. That risk means loss of income.
Bicycles don't fit as well in the car (if you're doing a multimodal commute) or under the desk at work. Plus for me, it's hard to go back once you've spent time riding a scooter. Also, fuel-wise, it's cheaper to scoot, and this will be controversial for sure, but it may be more environmentally friendly not to pedal, especially if you're a meat eater. -Paul
Thie all scooter hype will made lots rubbish! Cheap Chinese scooters are weak and won’t last long loosing their value significantly, not even mention changing battery which cost 50% of scooter price.
At 67,I'm saving myself around 700 dollars a month after selling my car, having around 4 e scooter's and 2 ebikes,I'm getting we're I need to go for basically free,way quicker,total fun, almost 0 maintenance,free parking everywhere, should almost be a crime to be having soooo much fun for getting around everywhere for a cost of around 75 dollars a year in electricity to fuel these machines..
Paul . This is a great review. I was breaking down all this on my own. And suddenly 💥 pow ! Your excellent and clear to understand review is there. One question when is come to range what will be better single motor/ turbo vs dual motor eco ? Lets said in a Mantis or similar . Thanks
Hi MANTAeScooters, My impression is that single vs dual isn’t going to be very different except that it gives you the opportunity to gun it more and ride at a slightly higher average speed. For example the Mantis V2 based mode I did recently covered 27 miles. I’ll bet it would be 29 miles ridden at the same average speed in single motor. Some day I’ll do a back to back test. The ultimate way to do it would be identical scooters ridden together and see which one stops first and then do it again with the opposite scooter in single motor. That way every average speed would be exactly the same. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Wow . Appreciated your time and the information you shared. Im very curious. The Mantis 10 is significantly faster in single turbo vs dual eco . That’s why I interested in the subject. I ride 18 miles to work each way. In reality I switched speed and gears all the time to save on charge . Thank you very much
You’re welcome! For some reason, it wasn’t letting me auto-translate to Turkish in the past! This is the first time I’ve succeeded! So glad you noticed! I did it in response to comments asking for it. Cheers! And thanks for watching -Paul
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The City of Toronto doesn’t allow scooters on public transit so no dice. Either scoot the whole way or don’t I guess could use an Uber XL but that is not saving any money in fact that would be expensive
When I ride my scooter on the greenway, I ride surrounded by nature with no stop lights and little traffic. The trip is almost as fast as my car and it's a lot better for my mental health.
I agree
Yes! It's so relaxing to scoot around town and enjoy the views!
you can't put a price to fun but it's way more fun to drive a scooter than a car.
banger video as always.
fun factor is priceless
That is absolutely true! Thanks for watching. -Vosk
As someone who just did their first e-scooter ride to work I can 100% back this
You guys are missing a whole group of people you could be marketing to truck drivers we're very limited where the truck can fit I put a scooter in my truck love it opened up a whole new world
Good point!
-Vosk
Awesome input! Thank you!
-Paul
Truckers are always asking me about mine. I live in Rural Missouri where anything electric is frowned upon. But the truckers cant help but see me cruising along at 35mph and say wait a minute, that would be perfect for me.
My mood is much better at the start of a shift after a relaxing 5.5 mile scooter ride to work versus commuting in my car.
Glad to hear
-Vosk
I'm retired but have been riding motorcycles and motor scooters for over 50 years.
Taking into consideration the cost of inflation moving forward and climate change I recently decided to "get into" electric scooter riding. I was amazed at what you can get for under $1K.
Long story short, I believe it's feasible to get along with 2 wheels only and ditch the 4 wheeler but you've got to have the "mindset", cooperation of others (depending on circumstances), and a plan to do it.
It's a very personal decision and you may not have shared enthusiasm by other family members . . . and then again you just may.
The annual cost of car insurance alone can easily exceed the cost of an electric scooter.
Having a motorcycle or motor scooter in addition to an electric scooter is a huge plus. Note that to support the day to day needs a $6K motorcycle or motor scooter can get the job done without having to spend well over $20K for a dream machine. Adding a trailer or sidecar is a plus (if possible).
Weather is an issue of course so you have to dress for it. ATGATT for safety is a must.
Look, for example, at Europe and Asia and see how human life finds a way to move and groove at minimal expense.
At the end of the day some folks will need a 4 wheeler due to obligations, family needs, and practicalities, but it doesn't have to be a large energy consuming (both in manufacture and use) machine . . . it can be a smaller energy efficient vehicle that makes excellent use of space. That said, it can be augmented with a 2 wheeler(s) and only used when needed . . . not desired.
This philosophy is a "hard sell" to many but to those who believe life is about the "experiences" and not just "stuff" it is a brilliant concept.
Like it or not, now is the time to take serious measures to reduce pollution, waste, and reckless use of this planet and fend off injurious climate change.
What goes around comes around.
We breathe what we burn.
Progress is not achieved by repetition. Progress is achieved by stepping out in constructive new directions time after time . . . one day at a time.
Thanks for the feedback
-Vosk
Couldn’t agree more! I wish I could commute to work on my scooter but I live too far and in Wis… with cold and snowy winters:(
Absolutely! Also, your four-wheeler (if you have to have one) doesn't need to be a humongous gas-guzzler. An EV (even used one) might do the job for a fraction of the cost.
I absolutely love riding my black wolf king GT to work which is 13 miles. Super fun, fast and great for my mental health. No brainer 🤝
Glad to hear
-Vosk
Great video! My wife and I had a similar experience that has changed our lives. When gas prices went crazy during COVID we both bought electric performance scooters, and tried to use them whenever we could. We didn't expect it, but it totally changed the way we think of transportation, and it saved us a TON of money as you have explained. Aside from that it's just super fun to ride, and I find myself making excuses to go for a joy ride. We will always own a single gas powered vehicle, but we will never again own a second vehicle, so that extra cost is gone. I'll just get an Uber on bad weather days if we both need the car at that time.
One other benefit not explicitly mentioned in the video is not just the ease of finding a parking spot, but the ability to park right next to the door in most cases. Just lock it up at at the bike rack, and walk right in. No travelling across a huge parking lot, or wandering around the lot trying to find a space. It's awesome!
You can even use a scooter for small shopping trips, and a quick life hack tip is to plop a hand basket on your scooter as you enter the door. This transforms your scooter into a shopping cart, and means that store managers aren't likely to bother you since you obviously can't ride it indoors, and it provides extra security against theft since it never leaves your possession.
Thanks for stopping by! -Vosk
Not to mention the fun factor value from riding a scooter.
I suspect the freedom and fun a scooter can offer has had benefits to peoples mental health far in excess of the dollar savings also.
Not to mention even crashing can be fun if you've got the right gear on. Don't skimp on wearing the safety gear folks.
Yep it’s very fun we agree
-Vosk
I have a job in the city, and if I park by my job, it costs $17 per day on weekdays, but I can park further away for free, then just ride my scooter the rest of the way. That saves well over $100 a month just from parking.
Nice!
I’m really enjoying my modified car-scooter commute too!
My gas mileage has actually gone up from eliminating the stop-and-go car miles, and keeping the freeway miles.
-Paul
For me is the gas savings and also time savings. Everyday I get stuck in traffic, and just seeing mortocyclits lane filtering makes me want a scooter even more
You can go very slow and still save at least 20 minutes of traffic everday and turns 121 hours saved a year
Thanks for the feedback!
-Vosk
i am lucky to live in a tropical year round sunny place so switching to scooter was a no brainer for me. i made a profit by the first month, my new scooter cost was cheaper than my vehicle registration and insurance alone, not to mention maintenance, parking, and gas cost.
cant put a price on fun and time brother but this video can help create a perspective for all the people that dont realize already.
i mean, i have an apollo pro and because of that lil beast, if discovered more about my city and its inner working than i ever could have or would have even wanted to do dealing with a car. its a no brainer.
if we really wanna talk about money though, wat about all the deliveries u can make with a scooter, especially if one uses a higher end scooter?
u can earn a living from these machines, its amazing really. the benefits ad possibilities are vast.
Great point. I always wondered about deliveries and scooters and after doing the math for this video it makes more sense than ever why people use them for deliveries! -Paul
Wish the UK government could see this video.. it's a no brainer🙄
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! I can't believe it's taking the government so long to get it together on scooters. -Paul
Don’t forget the monthly car payment. Majority of people have a car loan. Those savings can help get you a decent car for trips/groceries ect
Good point! Thanks for sharing.
-Vosk
Excellent video. I wish they also addressed the huge environmental impact of car vs scooter
Thanks for the Tip! Thanks for watching!
-Vosk
Here is another way to save even more money if you ride to work: charge your scooter at work.
Haha makes sense!
-Vosk
That's what he said in the video 😂
So you're saying I should get a fast charger and charge up at the free power points around the city? XD
Just a few things to consider for people that want to use it a lot for trips to get groceries. Consider a compact one that has a high enough weight capacity combined with your weight. Picking a high water resistance rating is good too, can climb hills well if you live around hilly areas, and picking a scooter from a brand that is well known and has good customer service helps. If you can also find a close enough repair shop then it’s better, otherwise be prepared to repair or replace parts if need be. Have spare tires for both wheels, and maybe even being turned away at the door with certain stores if it’s too big or they just don’t want you carrying it around with you inside. Also, ask your manufacturer what lock type they recommend for your scooter, usually a U Lock or Chain lock will do, and the brand kryptonite sells good quality ones (just don’t leave it locked for long, try keeping it with you often because scooters aren’t cheap).
Maybe even consider an electric unicycle, because they can be even smaller to carry around in something like a backpack.
Great video! Always knew scooters saved money but it's nice to see how much exactly.
Thanks for the kind words!
-Vosk
Since pandemic started I’ve logged 15,280 scooter miles (1,000 Glion Dolly, 980 Horizon, 5,200 Mantis Base, 5,400 Mantis Pro, 2,700 Nami).
So saved about $6,200 in gas so far 😁
Total spent on 5 scooters: $9,648
Nice! What do you think the total residual values of your 5 scooters is currently? -Paul
Calgary Canada. $400/month downtown parking. Literally one or two months for the cost.
Gas is about $5/gallon US equivalent, but electricity is only 6 cents per kwh.
Definitely worth the trade haha
-Vosk
The main issue I see with this is that not many scooter actually make the 1200+ miles. A lot of the cheaper ones (and some more expensive) breaks down after not that many miles
Thanks for the input.
-Vosk
This is one of the mo$t very smart video about scooters... It makes you Richer and Cleaner (and you dON'T have to give up your car, they can work together...) Bravo! Merci.
Thanks for the kind words
to work and back's 100$ gas a month. a 600$ scooter pays for itself in half a year. ( apartment having all utilities included. charge charge)
Thanks for the video sir. It was really informative. I was only skeptical of the fact how much the electricity is gonna cost which you clarified right at the beginning. Really appritiate
Thanks for the kind words
-Vosk
This is awesome! Thanks! I've been telling my buddy that this is true and he just wouldn't believe me.
Thanks for watching Matt! -Paul
this is my third year of no car nor bus. charging my scooter at work every day i don't even need to pay for electricity!
That’s awesome
-Vosk
My motto: whatever makes you happy, just do it :-) A scooter makes me happy, money well spent. Priceless indeed!
Enjoy
One thing I would like to see from scooter manufacturers going forward is for them to be working towards increasing the IP rating. Scooters are a blast to ride, but we are exposed to the elements, and I don't want bad weather to necessarily always be a hinderance to my scootering if I have to ride. I'm lazy and don't really want to have to waterproof my scooter myself so this is one aspect I would like the manufacturers to work on improving in the future.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Paul for this information. Taddeo from Durham, NC
Thanks for watching Taddeo!
-Paul
Wow you guys did so much research appreciate it for all the time and effort you do into making a reasonable choice for commuting.
Thanks for the kind words
If only PEV manufacturers would start taking waterproofing seriously I could see replacing my car.
We're getting there. The Wolf King GT is IPX5 now, and the 2022 Apollo City is IP56. But I'm with you, I dream of a day when the average electric scooters is as water resistant as the average motorcycle. -Paul
I have a Subaru STI protuned. Only make16mpg and only uses premium gas. Since I bought the Kaabo Wolf King GT I probably have saved over 300 in 2 months. There’s definitely cost savings when it comes to electric scooters. Great video guys.
Thanks for sharing! Stay Safe -Vosk
Great information 👍
Thanks for watching!
-Vosk
Thank you abbaby555!
-Paul
you shared pperfect -have a good day,bro~)
Thank you so much!
-Paul
Average parking in NYC cost about $570 per month, so you save $8957 per year in total if you live in NYC!
Whew!
Tip - don't live in NYC.🎉
eScooters are great (they're NOT toys) but I still have a niggling question - considering there's going to be a very significant amount of electricity required (recharging) - not as much as if there were electric cars/buses only - what's gonna be the source? Fossel fuels? Nuclear? Solar? Wind? Seems to me we're addressing one set of planetary problems & replacing them with others......
It takes very little to charge a electric scooter compared to any other options
-Vosk
Even if we ran the generators on gasoline to make electricity for scooters, we’d burn about 1/40th as much fuel for the same miles.
No matter how you slice it, scooters are a huge net win for energy consumption. -Paul
eScooter's battery size is about 1/200 the size of a low-end Tesla, and so to fully charge a 2.4mAh battery like what you would see on an extremely large scooter like the vsett 10+ would cost about 30 cents. However, the new generation of electric cars all start out over 6000 pounds with almost 2600 pounds of that being battery.
So the vast majority of questionable energy decisions will be decided by automobiles and not eScooters. eCars barely outsell all other electric vehicles in the US while using about 200 times more battery, and eCars get substantial government subsides while eScooters and eBikes are heavily taxed; hence it seems clear the US has decided NOT to back eScooters and eBikes.
Finally, to address the source of energy; we can use coal/natural gas/oil and be as dirty as you want, or wind/solar/nuclear and be as clean as you want, but it makes little difference either way as the infrastructure cost to build roads for heavy vehicles exceeds the carbon output of the transportation sector.
A 65 lbs vehicle requires significantly less "fuel" than a 3,500 lbs vehicle. The "problem" is significantly smaller.
It is inherently better to drive a tiny vehicle than a large one. Plus, if it caught on in a significant way, stand still vehicle traffic could be vastly reduced, which just that one change would save TONS of energy. Traffic jams are an enormous waste of resources (time and material). When you look around at all these big suvs with single occupants, recognize the waste going on.
Die kWh von meiner 27 Jahre alten PV-Anlage kostet mich an meiner Steckdose ca. 1 Cent/kWh und das ohne Stromspeicher.
Beim E-Auto + PV-Stromüberschuss sind das ca. 0,20 €/100km an Energiekosten.
1 cent/kWh is amazing!
-Paul
I just got into a car accident and i think buyung a scooter is gonna be yhe best decision and solution i ever make
Stay safe out there
-Vosk
Your videos are so helpful! keep up all the great work!
Thank you so much JT C!
-Paul
When are you guys are gonna review the wolf warrior GT Pro 60v scooter?
We should be doing that one in future
-Vosk
That one isn’t currently on our radar, but I would love to test it and review it to see how it compares to the 60V Warrior and the King GT Pro that we tested.
In the mean time, performance should be the same as our tests of the original 60V and riding experience should be very close to out review of the King GT Pro. -Paul
Unless you could get rid of your car (where you live close to everywhere you need to go), otherwise the savings is not that much, since you still have to pay for car insurance and maintenance even you you drive less (only slightly less if you need to commute far). Insurance and maintenance costs don't decrease that much even if you drive less. And still it's too risky to get rid of your car in case you need to go somewhere further, which is very likely. Or when you need to carry or buy something that you scooter won't fit, which is very common as well.
Thanks for watching
You never included the degradation and replacement cost of the scooter battery. A karbo King GT scooter is cheaper over a short distance but a motorcycle will kick the scooters but at 100,000kms travelled.
Scooter will last many many years with the original battery! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide it will last many years with the battery degrading over time. A scooter will only last, if you do short distance travel. A motorcycle will kick a scooter's butt on 100,000 km travelled. The scooter battery will need to be replaced many times over, making it more expensive than a motorcycle. An e-scooter is a great mode of transport for city people or people who travel short distances. In Australia a Kaebo King Gt cost $6000 AUD and the battery replacement cost is 50 percent of the initial purchase price. If you want to get 100 000kms out of your GT then the battery replacement cost is going to be awfully expensive.
@@Travelingman-1980 well, following that logic, you should consider the motorbike insurance, taxes, fuel, preventive maintenances, wheel changes, chain and sprockets changes, braking pads changes, oil changes, etc etc... Strongly disbelieve that a decent motorbike (yamaha, Kawa, KTM, DUCATI, etc.) is cheaper than an expensive electric scooter.
@@JuanSQuiP I did the comparison on a Yamaha T700 and it was cheaper than a Kaebo GT King at 100,000kms. The problem with the video's analysis is, it does not include battery replacement cost.
@@Travelingman-1980 I get your point but I have a bmw s1000r and only one year of insurance is enough to cover the cost of a new 30ah baterry for these scooters, even more... And My insurance is on the cheap side for that kind of bike. That's why I say, I find it hard to believe that a decent motor bike (from 400cc and up) is cheaper than a scooter on the long run, at least in my country.
What electric scooters will be good for country and farm area's grate video btw
Depends on your budget! Many options
-Vosk
Late to the party, but an interesting video nonetheless.
I've thought about the cost savings of e-scooting vs driving, but there was always one category of cost that always plagued my brain: reparability and long term viability.
e-scooter's are great cost wise when things are properly working, but when they aren't, they end up to be expensive paperweights (you could say the same about cars too). If lack of parts or expertise in repairing/maintaining e-scooters is present, the cost of e-scooting shoots up drastically since you'll most likely have to buy another e-scooter.
I guess the best way I sum it up is if you spend the same $ on a car on e-scooters (just for them stock), whether or not the cost of ownership + usage would still be better.
For me I already have a hand me down car that was given to me, and I've already spent $3k on all my escooters thus far. Sometimes I wonder if it would have been better to have spent that on fuel instead considering I haven't made my return yet buying my scooters.
Thanks for the feedback
I've only been a scooter owner for a year, but so far the only repairs I've had to do is fixing flats. Maybe the scooter(s) you've bought haven't been the best quality?
Hello ESG, when will you be doing the «top electric scooters 2022»?😁
Dying to do this. I feel like there are some significant unreleased scooters we need to test first though! -Paul
-I also count my time as cost savings. My commute is bus (3.5 mi) to train to bus (1.5 mi). If I replace the bus with my scooter, I not only save $2.50 in fares, but my commute is 30-40 minutes shorter each way. It makes a difference when you can lessen your commute to 1h 10m from 1h 40m or 1h 50m.
-That hour a day at a decent pay rate will pay off my $650 scooter in less than a month and then you throw on another $100 a month from fare savings. I mean I consider it a bargain that I could pay for the scooter in 6+ months from fare savings alone!
-I love my scooter so much, I am upgrading to an Evolv Terra after just 3-4 months of riding my more budget scooter. Now I just need to find a way to sell my old one. (still great, I've just outgrown it)
Awesome! Glad you are enjoying. -Vosk
Good one Paul👍🏾
Thank you John! :-)
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Loved the way you broke down the numbers. I’d love to hear you give a similar breakdown of the electrical operations of PEVs. For instance, if I wanted to modify my scooter with a more powerful set of motors; what specifications should my battery be and how should I calculate this etc. That’s just an example but I’m noticing that maintenance and modification information is in high demand these days and your clear straight-forward approach would be a great asset to learning more. Thanks again. Shout out to Chuck & the Crew!
I calculated a >92% reduction for fuel cost for commuting, switching from my car to my e-scooter.
Fuel cost of my car:
1.80€/L / 15km/L = 0.12€/km (≈ 0.20$/mi)
Fuel cost of my e-scooter:
Range = 45 km
Battery capacity = 860Wh = 0.86kWh
Charger efficiency = say 90% => Total energy used for recharging = 0.86 kWh / 0.9 = 0.95 kWh
0.40€/kWh * 0.95 kWh / 45 km = 0.0084 €/km (≈ 0.0138 $/mi)
Conclusion: for me the car is >14 times more expensive per km.
Is it worth my time?
Commute back and forth - CAR:
Average time = 27*2 = 54 minutes
Distance = 17*2 = 34 km
Cost = 34 * 0.12 = 4.08 €
(average speed = 37.8 km/h = 23.5 mph)
Commute back and forth - E-Scooter:
Average time = 40 * 2 = 80 minutes
Distance = 14*2 = 28 km
Cost = 28 * 0.0084 = 0.235 €
(average speed = 21 km/h = 13 mph)
Time difference = 80 - 54 = 26 minutes = 0.4333 h
Cost difference = 3.85 €
Hourly savings = 3.85 / 0.4333 = 8.89 € / h
Which is a bit higher than my net hourly salary lol
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Nice video!! You skipped the anual car insurance cost though!! But really good video 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for the input
-Vosk
Scooters are becoming very popular but nowadays if you are driving on public roads you will probably have to register ii if that is possible
Possibly but not yet
I think there is a small upfront cost just to get the scooter a little more reliable. Soldering wires and waterproofing the deck will go a long way. It took a little bit but I feel my Kaabo mantis pro 10 se is now a solid commuter from a few little tweaks and I feel most of these Chinese scooters are the same
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing.
People look at scooters and electric bicycles and think "oh man that's expensive", largely because they aren't doing the long-term math. In the long term, either one is a huge cost savings even if you still own a car. I use an electric bike for almost all of my travel here in Japan, since my farthest trip during the day is about 5km. It's a fantastic and inexpensive way to get around.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Hello Paul: Thank you for your video.
A friend of mine had a Scooter for about USD 1200,- and the motor had to be replaced after only 500 miles. A big waste of resources and energies! Compared to this a regular bicycle lasts almost forever. Scooters are actually a great idea, but if they don't last for long, it's bad. Another disadvantage is that battery packs cannot be taken off from most of the Scooter models. With and E-Bike one can gave several batteries. Which Scooters in your opinion are built to last? If of only the ones from Dualtron for USD 7'000,-, 8'000,- and so on are really good, it's again no good.
Hi Jonas,
Dualtron’s reputation is no longer deserved. They make nice scooters, but have little to no advantage in terms of reliability.
Hopefully your friend’s motor was covered under warranty. For scooters which are ridden a lot, any manufacturing defect should fail during the warranty period, and then it should be relatively smooth sailing until wear starts to become a factor.
My guess is that the most reliable scooters will be ones made by companies who have produced sharing scooters like Okai and Segway Ninebot.
But Kaabo, Apollo, Voro etc are catching up quickly.
More and more scooters have swappable batteries to extend range. I’m getting ready to review a relatively low cost scooter with really nice battery swapping hardware.
-Paul
Cars also need maintenance as well. Also when buying a new car some need to be returned to the dealer for warranty repairs, no different then a scooter. Only issue with scooters there are far and few when it comes to service centers. Part replacements are another problem.
As for the battery i totally agree that every manufacturer that make these small scooter should have a swappable battery, not just for the convenience of charging but for theft. The desire to steal a scooter is less when one of the most expensive part is missing. But for those scooters like wolf king, those are massive batteries. I think most would not appreciate pulling out the battery and carrying them. But a swappable battery makes it supper convenient when replacing or having an extra on hand to extend ride times.
Can you compare an electric scooter to an electric car like a Tesla?
Interesting idea!
Unagi is a Lifesaver❤️🙏✨💯🙌👍😁✌️
awesome informative video
Thanks for watching!
-Vosk
Did you factor in registration and insurance for your car? That's hundreds of more dollars lol
Yep that’s true
-Vosk
”Even lower if you charge your scooter at work.”
I’m in the Philippines and I charge mine at coffee shops. I just order a cheap cup of coffee and let their outlets do the work. AHHAAHAHAHHA
Haha! -Vosk
I've used folding bike to do this for over 30 years... even cheaper and your battery wont die
Haha true
Another great video. Quick question, why don't you guys cover the RIONs?
Can't wait to receive mine soon ...
We would love to, but they seem to be afraid to send us one. We have asked nicely for years, but no scooters have been forthcoming.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ohh 😮 that’s unfortunate 🙁
Thanks for the quick reply :) 👍🏾
I love all your reviews and all these great scooters, but I am interested in a review of TN-X1 Talenic long Range scooter before I make up my mind to buy a scooter for commute to work, can you, will you.
No plans on reviewing that scooter yet.
-Vosk
I ride my scooter to work and back to home and it’s only like 1.3 mile away from my house lol 😄
That’s awesome! Best way for sure. -Vosk
Hey electric scooter guide team! Can we get the Apollo Phantom v2 or v3 vs Mantis pro v2 or Mantis v2 (24ah) vs Wolf Warrior X please! For the best performance scooter under 2k?
Nice idea
As i live in VANCOUVER, I completely understand how scooter saves money but for 4 months there is hard rain here in this city, and i dont think so we can ride scooters in HARD RAIN, any alternative for this issue ? Coz i really want to sell my car which is taking1000$/ month.
Great point! We’ve been waiting and waiting for a really waterproof scooter. They’re getting better and better, but I’ll bet we’re a year or two away from a time when most scooters are as water proof as most modern motorcycles. It’s frustrating. For occasional light rain, anything that’s IPX5 or higher will do the trick, but for what you’re taking about, you need IPX6. There are a couple out there that are spec’d that high or higher.
Apollo City and I think the Wolf King GT Pro. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the fast reply guyzz, yeah and i think EMOVE cruiser is aldo good for rain.
Cheers🍻
Someone should invent a type of foldable windshield for electric scooters. It would help in cold or rainy days.
Great idea.
if seated it's possible, but standing, that is a lot of bulk to carry around
@@cameranmanner4701 Could be made to fold as small as an umbrella...
@@jimj2683 they have those for bikes. It's an umbrella mount. But they suck as the umbrella folds back during high winds.
@@cameranmanner4701 No that sucks. It has to be a completely new shape and design.
Precious channel.. sending my support! :)
SMH thank you
I was thinking about getting 1....
Now that you broke it down I'm definitely getting 1
Very cool! Enjoy your scooter. -Vosk
I would be great ,if we have in kilometers per hour in video too!
Good point Siravij! Thanks for the reminder! -Paul
what are your top 5 favorite E-scooter as of right now?
Nami , Dualtron thunder 2 , Apollo Phanton, wolf king GT & Kaabo Mantis GT
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I should have specified. Top favorite under $1k scooters. 😅
But did you reveiw the vsett 11+ and 9+
Hi Kendrick,
We haven't done the 11+ or 9+. I would really like to, but I don't see them in our forecast right now. -Paul
Hey Vosk, I currently have a Ninebot Max gen 1 with 750 miles on it. At what point should I change my bearings? I really can't find an answer anywhere.
There is no universal answer but you should be fine for a while IMO!
Thanks
Thank you for watching!
The millage you have stated on some of your scooters is way off.
We have a standard of how we test scooters! Same driver! Same conditions and same course. Real world range is always way different then the claimed range. Thanks
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide what is your real world mileage for a segway e45?
We haven't tested that one. When checking out range numbers careful to click the button that shows our test data. The database will also show claimed range which is usually waaaaay to high. -Paul
At lot at money u can actually save I did it once and I save few thousand dollars believe it or not
Thanks for stopping by! -Vosk
Hi, I currently am riding a fluid horizon, and my gf has a off-brand m365 (it’s literally identical).
We’re looking to get her a upgrade but the only issue is that she can’t really carry the weight of the horizon after trying for a couple times.
Is there any suggestions? Anything under 1000 will do, we’re currently looking at uscooter and Apollo air pro, but wonder whether you guys have other suggestions
Uscooters booster GT is prob best bet
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks!
I think he should get one of those cargo bikes that could fit 2 people in the front basket and drop his kids off with that. No need for a car when there's a much embarrassing option to drop his kids off in
Haha
If only the Bay Bridge wasn’t between school and the office. The bike path only goes half way across the bridge at this point. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I guess it's time for your kids to start swimming lessons. Hehe
Not here in Norway we arent. 12mph cap and 4feet length maximum on all scooters. Have to be locked by the seller. Waste... Electric cars are the only saviour for us it seems
Thanks for the feedback!
-Vosk
Can I get a electric stooet
Should factor in battery replacement cost
It’s factored in by assuming the scooter only has a 5 year lifespan and also as part of repair cost. As long as the BMS is working correctly, you should get 500 cycles out of a battery with minimal degradation.
Without factoring in parking, the $500scooter saves $2,600 in car costs by the time the battery hits 500 cycles.
The odds of replacing a battery in a good scooter is very low, probably much lower than the average non-fatal car accidents in the US, which are expensive to repair.
Why I bought my electric scooter? I bought my kaabo skywalker 8s brand new 2 weeks ago for $610 instead of their regular $1000 plus tag. It's my first electric scooter and it goes 45 kmh which is fast for me as of now. I bought it because my 8 miles trip from my house to work one way takes a whopping an hour and 30 minutes. The traffic is so bad!
I can't speak for everyone, but my work pays either my monthly parking or metro. I charge my scooter at my work. I save money on metro and charging bill. I love it! Best of all, it's the enjoyment! I only use my car when it rain because I am not sure if my scooter is water resistant.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Powerful!
Thanks!
I know a scooter company you haven't heard of before it's called vsett
We did a review of the Vsett 10+
-Paul
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The only problem with all this is that electric scooters are illegal where i come from and can only be ridden on private property. Maybe you can speak to the idiots we call government and make them see sense though i doubt you would get very far. Thanks for the video
So sorry for your scooterless situation over there Spiro :-( We hope the scooter-law situation improves soon.
-Paul
It's ridiculous to compare scootering to walking where one is based on price per kW and the other price per calorie. That is not good science.
@Jay Glascoe, the units are ultimately dollars per mile in both cases. The science is solid. -Paul (
Sorry for sounding so mean I just had a bad day today
No worries! I hope tomorrow treats you better. -Paul
Thanks 👍
You didn’t mention cost to have a bodily traffic accident while commuting on scooter. I.e. a suddenly opened car door can send a cyclist or scooter rider into hospitals a few months. That risk means loss of income.
Risk of going to hospital while travelling in a modern car in urban area, is small
Yes everything comes with a risk including bicycling!
I save thousands
Sounds great!
-Vosk
Yeah, but you haven’t factored in that cheap scooters fail after a year….
The dollar cost is covered under maintenance and depreciation, but the downtime for repairs wasn’t factored in for the car or for the scooter.
-Paul
Deutsche Überschrift? Warum keine Deutsche Sprache?
es ist deutsch untertitelt, also haben wir auch den titel übersetzt
-Paul
For the short distances people seem to be traveling in these instances, why wouldn’t you just get a bicycle?
Bicycles don't fit as well in the car (if you're doing a multimodal commute) or under the desk at work. Plus for me, it's hard to go back once you've spent time riding a scooter.
Also, fuel-wise, it's cheaper to scoot, and this will be controversial for sure, but it may be more environmentally friendly not to pedal, especially if you're a meat eater. -Paul
Scientists ftw.
Wooot! I've been wanting to work my physics degree into a script for a long time :-) -Paul
Thie all scooter hype will made lots rubbish! Cheap Chinese scooters are weak and won’t last long loosing their value significantly, not even mention changing battery which cost 50% of scooter price.
Thanks for the input
-Vosk
They still ileagal
Depends where you are!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide England
@@andym209 oof
At 67,I'm saving myself around 700 dollars a month after selling my car, having around 4 e scooter's and 2 ebikes,I'm getting we're I need to go for basically free,way quicker,total fun, almost 0 maintenance,free parking everywhere, should almost be a crime to be having soooo much fun for getting around everywhere for a cost of around 75 dollars a year in electricity to fuel these machines..
Wow that’s amazing! Thanks so much for the feedback. -Vosk
Paul . This is a great review. I was breaking down all this on my own. And suddenly 💥 pow ! Your excellent and clear to understand review is there. One question when is come to range what will be better single motor/ turbo vs dual motor eco ? Lets said in a Mantis or similar . Thanks
Hi MANTAeScooters,
My impression is that single vs dual isn’t going to be very different except that it gives you the opportunity to gun it more and ride at a slightly higher average speed.
For example the Mantis V2 based mode I did recently covered 27 miles. I’ll bet it would be 29 miles ridden at the same average speed in single motor.
Some day I’ll do a back to back test. The ultimate way to do it would be identical scooters ridden together and see which one stops first and then do it again with the opposite scooter in single motor. That way every average speed would be exactly the same.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Wow . Appreciated your time and the information you shared. Im very curious. The Mantis 10 is significantly faster in single turbo vs dual eco . That’s why I interested in the subject. I ride 18 miles to work each way. In reality I switched speed and gears all the time to save on charge . Thank you very much
Thanks for the Turkish translation.
You’re welcome! For some reason, it wasn’t letting me auto-translate to Turkish in the past! This is the first time I’ve succeeded! So glad you noticed!
I did it in response to comments asking for it.
Cheers! And thanks for watching
-Paul