My previous cars were Mercedes C220, Toyota Hilux, VW Passat and a Mazda 6. Now back to a small car. And yes i just bought a Seat Mii. :-) Reminds me back to my first car, a Lancia Y10.
Great review as always Thomas. I drove one last time.. its more spacious than my Golf 4 in the front and im almost 2 meters. Very grown up car and well put together.
Nice review! This WV, Skoda and Seat trio is probably one of the best small cars on the market, but it would be nice to see a review of the Hyundai I10 to be able to compare it :)
I really think that VW group has made such a huge mistake offering the UP, the citigo and Mii in electric form only while inevitably doubling the price giving the fact these cars were the absolute best city cars and have been a great success to VW in this particular category.
Best trim version in Germany at the moment is the Seat Mii Chic which is much cheaper and has most of the nice extras from the Mango but isn't as girly. I absolutely love getting these Mii/Citigo cars as a hire car. I've hired my next one for €27 for 4 days in February including insurance. They drive well on the motorway, country roads and in town and are so easy to parallel park. When I've asked the staff in the hire depot they say that they don't give trouble. VAG have been continuously addressing problems with production over the life of the car. Hyundai i10 is very slightly more practical but nowhere near as nice to drive in my experience. fuel consumption is very low on these cars but fuel gauge misleading. I'm always surprised how little petrol I have to put in the car before returning it to the hire depot. 75bhp engine is not worth while as it is just a software tweak with a slightly different mechanical final drive ratio. Mii will often be 20mm lower on the road than the CitiGo or Up! but you need to check on a version by version basis. Brand new base model EU import Mii/Citigo can be found on mobile.de from 7000 euro upward, they run on a sniff of petrol and cost practically nothing to tax or insure. I can't recommend these cars highly enough. Love 'em!
Volkswagen Up, Skoda Citigo, and SEAT Mii VS Toyota Aygo, Peugeot 108, and Citroen C1. The battle of super-minis with their own same respective platform. Would love to see you do this Thomas.
Very good review Thomas. For me, all three cars are the same ones, only the logo is different. Because you had the 2 doors version, the beautiful 2 doors version car in my opinion remains the legendary VW Beetle. It would be very interesting, if you could Thomas, to present the actual VW Beetle and the new VAG 1.0 TSI engine with 115 HP on a big car such as Golf or Octavia for seeing how it works.
You're right, everyone should try to pollute as little as possible. In reality though I don't think the difference between a Golf and a Seat Mii, when it comes to pollution and using of fuel, is very big.
In this case I actually like the colored interior part. In fact, I would like to see what the car looks like if the exterior was in that color as well. Then again, I usually like colors that few people like.. :-) The car seems to drive quite well, so that is a big point in it's favor. But the results of those cost cutting measures would start to bother me quickly. Especially in the interior, like the inside of the doors, that look quite cheap. Then again, in this segment it's probably hard to find a car that is more 'worthy'. You didn't mention the Kia Picanto as a competitor. I've seen quite a few positive reviews of that one.
i sat in an 'up!' when i was in the process of getting a 2015 Polo - for the money, i think its really worth getting a polo or better. i understand the need for a real budget car, but for the price, just one model up makes a huge difference. the up! is cool, but very limited.
I agree, I was thinking of swapping my '11 Polo to a new Up but I couldn't spec automatic Climatronic for the Up at all and that option is something I want in every car.
I hate it when you can't set up the steering wheel in a car right. I drive a VW Lupo 3L - very nice car - but never could sit comfortably. When I set up the seat ergonomically I can't reach the steering wheel right. If I can reach the steering wheel comfortably I don't sit comfortably. It is okay when drive short distance but after around n hour it starts getting annoying. That is one of the reasons I didn't buy the new UP GTI as a successor to my Lupo but ordered the new Polo.
Beim VW up! lässt sich bei entsprechender Fahrweise (ca. 90 km/h) Durchschnittsgeschwindigkeit, also bei Landstraßentempo, ein Durchschnittsverbrauch von deutlich unter 4 Litern pro 100 km, oft sogar nur 3,5 Liter, erzielen, das ist für einen Benziner sehr wenig und ein schöner Anreiz beim Fahren. Dazu 4 Türen, Schiebedach, Ganzjahresreifen, CD-Radio und Navi - und das für nur rund 11.000,- €.
I wish the VW up ! Would be available here in Canada it's the people's car after all . We have the Mazda 2 the KIA rio , Honda Fit, Ford Fiesta, etc the smallest car we have is the VW golf witch is real nice. I like the small car road test it true that when you drive 100 000 euro a 10 000 Euro seems so good it's impossible that a 100 000 $ is 9 nine time better than a 10 000 $ I like the E up!
For what it is, a very basic city car, I could definitely see its value. I disagree Thomas with regards to the rear seat. Thomas Jr would need more space than that second row offers; otherwise, I can assure you he will be kicking you through the seat back. I like how the gauge cluster is shared with the Beetle. Very simple. As for which of the three to purchase, I'm willing to bet it all comes down to money and national pride.
Nice Review but ... "Put it in Neutral and save some Fuel" ? Not really. Stay in Gear and let it Roll. Then u save Fuel, i am sure u are aware of that. Im übrigen hat die 75 PS Version ihre mehrleistung erst ab 4000 U/min. Bis dahin sind die Kennlinien beider Motoren gleich. Die 75 PS Version kommt einem nur spritziger vor weil sie eine andere Endübersetzung im getriebe hat. Im Alltag also mehr Sprit frisst.
+Rolf Schröder Hey, thanks for the interesting info about the 60 vs 75 hp! About fuel economy, it is just better to stay in gear if I want to brake the car at the same time. If I want to let it roll as far as possible, it is better to go to neutral, live with the consumption if the idling cycle but dont let the engine brake the car. We have tested this on special consumption tests and it makes a difference of up to 2 litres when you are using neutral gear/rolling. That is also the reason why modern automatic gear box cars have the so called sailing function. Car is put to neutral to allow rolling/sailing. Same with electric cars, it is more efficient to let the car roll to make as many kilometers as possible than using the recuperation. Again only exception: Going downhill for a longer time where you also _want_ to slow down.
Thank u for the detailed answer. I am very interested in the fuel economy test u mentioned. Our daily driving is 90 % in the city (45138 Essen). In normal traffic u got a phase of acceleration, holding speed and rolling (no gas, no fuel consumption) to the next traffic light in 3 or 2 gear, trying to stay in gear, hoping that the traffic light will jump to green while u are approaching with zero consumption. In my eyes this is the most efficient way of driving in city. And this is a city car :)
It is the air filter box with the intake air feed pipe (in german: Ansaugluftführung) Look: www.ebay.de/itm/VW-UP-Seat-Mii-Skoda-Citigo-1-0L-Kennb-CHY-Luftfilterkasten-04C129611J/351601092624?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35005%26meid%3D66c8d01d14844203bd4a3e4954347137%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D271235985651
+ast5515 It is an air intake which routes to the coldest part of the engine bay. If you put a K&N air filter on this car it would actually disimprove engine performance.
+kimmern999 The problem is that with a Golf, you can drive it on the motorway AND in a city. Sure a smaller car is easier to live with in a city, but it's not really an option for an ONLY car. And there are countries, where people only have the money to buy 1 car, and these things just don't make sense there.
kimmern999 I kinda agree. I like these small cars, but there is a problem. I earn the german minimal wage. And I earn more than 85% of my country. So... People here generally can't buy more than 1 car. Hell, buying a Suzuki Swift is prestigious, because you have the money to buy a new car. It's that bad over here. So in THIS country, this car is literally pointless, because the way people think here, is that buying a bigger car used is still a bigger car, so it's more usable for the family. But in countries where people have the money to own more than 1 car, I think these things are amazing. You can park it anywhere, you can turn around anywhere, you have great visibility.
I believe that most people buy these "mini cars" because they are cheap. If money is the reason for buying one I think you're better off with buying a second hand Golf, that's my point.
My previous cars were Mercedes C220, Toyota Hilux, VW Passat and a Mazda 6. Now back to a small car. And yes i just bought a Seat Mii. :-)
Reminds me back to my first car, a Lancia Y10.
Great review as always Thomas. I drove one last time.. its more spacious than my Golf 4 in the front and im almost 2 meters. Very grown up car and well put together.
+eggbirdtherooster thanks! yeah indeed
Nice review! This WV, Skoda and Seat trio is probably one of the best small cars on the market, but it would be nice to see a review of the Hyundai I10 to be able to compare it :)
It's one of the worst actually.
I really think that VW group has made such a huge mistake offering the UP, the citigo and Mii in electric form only while inevitably doubling the price giving the fact these cars were the absolute best city cars and have been a great success to VW in this particular category.
I have Citigo sport tornado red. You'd be surprised how that 1.0 60bhp feel nippy.
Best trim version in Germany at the moment is the Seat Mii Chic which is much cheaper and has most of the nice extras from the Mango but isn't as girly.
I absolutely love getting these Mii/Citigo cars as a hire car. I've hired my next one for €27 for 4 days in February including insurance. They drive well on the motorway, country roads and in town and are so easy to parallel park.
When I've asked the staff in the hire depot they say that they don't give trouble.
VAG have been continuously addressing problems with production over the life of the car.
Hyundai i10 is very slightly more practical but nowhere near as nice to drive in my experience.
fuel consumption is very low on these cars but fuel gauge misleading. I'm always surprised how little petrol I have to put in the car before returning it to the hire depot.
75bhp engine is not worth while as it is just a software tweak with a slightly different mechanical final drive ratio.
Mii will often be 20mm lower on the road than the CitiGo or Up! but you need to check on a version by version basis.
Brand new base model EU import Mii/Citigo can be found on mobile.de from 7000 euro upward, they run on a sniff of petrol and cost practically nothing to tax or insure.
I can't recommend these cars highly enough. Love 'em!
+G O'D nice infos thanks!
You are an amazing reviewer! Well done!
thanks m8 join us for more reviews!
Volkswagen Up, Skoda Citigo, and SEAT Mii VS Toyota Aygo, Peugeot 108, and Citroen C1. The battle of super-minis with their own same respective platform. Would love to see you do this Thomas.
We got C1 and Seat Mii as well, just youtube search "autogefuehl citroen c1" etc.
Autogefühl Thanks for your absolutely comprehensive reviews, really love Autogefuehl 👍
Thank you for the video, helped me make up my mind and purchase one
Very good review Thomas. For me, all three cars are the same ones, only the logo is different. Because you had the 2 doors version, the beautiful 2 doors version car in my opinion remains the legendary VW Beetle. It would be very interesting, if you could Thomas, to present the actual VW Beetle and the new VAG 1.0 TSI engine with 115 HP on a big car such as Golf or Octavia for seeing how it works.
excellent review thanks
You're right, everyone should try to pollute as little as possible. In reality though I don't think the difference between a Golf and a Seat Mii, when it comes to pollution and using of fuel, is very big.
60hp and 75hp numbers (hp&trq) are identical under 4000rpm, the advantages of the 75hp are only over 4000rpm :D
Interesting point
Great car! And great video too!
thank you Florian!
Spotted the Vitara in the background!
+Stephenb033 :-)
In this case I actually like the colored interior part. In fact, I would like to see what the car looks like if the exterior was in that color as well. Then again, I usually like colors that few people like.. :-)
The car seems to drive quite well, so that is a big point in it's favor. But the results of those cost cutting measures would start to bother me quickly. Especially in the interior, like the inside of the doors, that look quite cheap. Then again, in this segment it's probably hard to find a car that is more 'worthy'.
You didn't mention the Kia Picanto as a competitor. I've seen quite a few positive reviews of that one.
+artemusje2 good aspects !
i sat in an 'up!' when i was in the process of getting a 2015 Polo - for the money, i think its really worth getting a polo or better. i understand the need for a real budget car, but for the price, just one model up makes a huge difference. the up! is cool, but very limited.
I agree, I was thinking of swapping my '11 Polo to a new Up but I couldn't spec automatic Climatronic for the Up at all and that option is something I want in every car.
+Francoberry I understand, I felt that the upright seating position is a good argument for up vs polo (in favour of the up)
VW Up, Skoda Citigo, Seat Mii: same package in a different wrapping...
+m3rovingian very clever observation.
I hope you would test some day some real cheap entry-level cars made by Dacia like the Logan, Sandero or Duster.
+Dragos Teodor Bran Ok I ll note that down!
Thanks Thomas. Nice review.
Question for Katherina: Was that REALLY your mango purse?!? 😝
Neat micro car. No thanks on the purple dash mind you.
Ha. Forgot...
The 12V battery was nearly as big as the engine!
+Mario Dalla Riva ciao, yeah it was =)
+Mario Dalla Riva LOL
I hate it when you can't set up the steering wheel in a car right. I drive a VW Lupo 3L - very nice car - but never could sit comfortably. When I set up the seat ergonomically I can't reach the steering wheel right. If I can reach the steering wheel comfortably I don't sit comfortably.
It is okay when drive short distance but after around n hour it starts getting annoying. That is one of the reasons I didn't buy the new UP GTI as a successor to my Lupo but ordered the new Polo.
Beim VW up! lässt sich bei entsprechender Fahrweise (ca. 90 km/h) Durchschnittsgeschwindigkeit, also bei Landstraßentempo, ein Durchschnittsverbrauch von deutlich unter 4 Litern pro 100 km, oft sogar nur 3,5 Liter, erzielen, das ist für einen Benziner sehr wenig und ein schöner Anreiz beim Fahren. Dazu 4 Türen, Schiebedach, Ganzjahresreifen, CD-Radio und Navi - und das für nur rund 11.000,- €.
+Wat is' denn los mit Dir!? stimmt!
I wish the VW up ! Would be available here in Canada it's the people's car after all . We have the Mazda 2 the KIA rio , Honda Fit, Ford Fiesta, etc the smallest car we have is the VW golf witch is real nice. I like the small car road test it true that when you drive 100 000 euro a 10 000 Euro seems so good it's impossible that a 100 000 $ is 9 nine time better than a 10 000 $ I like the E up!
+V10PDTDI good point :)
U forgot winter
For what it is, a very basic city car, I could definitely see its value. I disagree Thomas with regards to the rear seat. Thomas Jr would need more space than that second row offers; otherwise, I can assure you he will be kicking you through the seat back. I like how the gauge cluster is shared with the Beetle. Very simple. As for which of the three to purchase, I'm willing to bet it all comes down to money and national pride.
+gbriank1 haha thomas jr would never kick me in the back! :D
***** Let's re-visit this in about 10 years after you've had children... :-) I doubt you'll be driving an a car this small.
You are to positive about this car! Loud, no room in the back, hard plastics.
+aam voor I found it delivers a nice package
aam voor Its a low budget car!
You could put in the back of a Ford F 350 long bed !
+Trevor Standefer =)
:D
Winter tyres for extra road noise in Winter.
Gutes Review.. Aber der Kameramann kann noch ein wenig ruhiger Filmen =)
What is the model of garmin navigation? where can I get?
Nice Review but ...
"Put it in Neutral and save some Fuel" ? Not really. Stay in Gear and let it Roll. Then u save Fuel, i am sure u are aware of that.
Im übrigen hat die 75 PS Version ihre mehrleistung erst ab 4000 U/min.
Bis dahin sind die Kennlinien beider Motoren gleich.
Die 75 PS Version kommt einem nur spritziger vor weil sie eine andere Endübersetzung im getriebe hat.
Im Alltag also mehr Sprit frisst.
+Rolf Schröder Hey, thanks for the interesting info about the 60 vs 75 hp! About fuel economy, it is just better to stay in gear if I want to brake the car at the same time. If I want to let it roll as far as possible, it is better to go to neutral, live with the consumption if the idling cycle but dont let the engine brake the car. We have tested this on special consumption tests and it makes a difference of up to 2 litres when you are using neutral gear/rolling. That is also the reason why modern automatic gear box cars have the so called sailing function. Car is put to neutral to allow rolling/sailing. Same with electric cars, it is more efficient to let the car roll to make as many kilometers as possible than using the recuperation. Again only exception: Going downhill for a longer time where you also _want_ to slow down.
Thank u for the detailed answer.
I am very interested in the fuel economy test u mentioned.
Our daily driving is 90 % in the city (45138 Essen).
In normal traffic u got a phase of acceleration, holding speed and rolling (no gas, no fuel consumption) to the next traffic light in 3 or 2 gear, trying to stay in gear, hoping that the traffic light will jump to green while u are approaching with zero consumption.
In my eyes this is the most efficient way of driving in city.
And this is a city car :)
hat das teil ne richtige klimaanlage oder lässt der auch nur kalte luft von draußen?
Kann man bestellen
aber ist das eine echte oder nur son fan?
AUX but not USB. What a bummer
Ich bin ja echt kein Profi, aber ich hab das Gefühl die 3-Zylinder klingen verhältnismäßig sportlich. Siehe Daihatsu Cuore L251 Sound.
+Marc Haase jo hatte ich auch das Gefühl, for solch kleine Kisten hören die sich echt gut an
What is that black tube sticking out of the engine?
It is the air filter box with the intake air feed pipe (in german: Ansaugluftführung)
Look: www.ebay.de/itm/VW-UP-Seat-Mii-Skoda-Citigo-1-0L-Kennb-CHY-Luftfilterkasten-04C129611J/351601092624?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35005%26meid%3D66c8d01d14844203bd4a3e4954347137%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D271235985651
Wat is' denn los mit Dir!? It sure as hell looks weird.
+ast5515 It is an air intake which routes to the coldest part of the engine bay. If you put a K&N air filter on this car it would actually disimprove engine performance.
Would rather buy a second hand Golf for that money.
+kimmern999 The problem is that with a Golf, you can drive it on the motorway AND in a city. Sure a smaller car is easier to live with in a city, but it's not really an option for an ONLY car.
And there are countries, where people only have the money to buy 1 car, and these things just don't make sense there.
kimmern999 I kinda agree.
I like these small cars, but there is a problem. I earn the german minimal wage. And I earn more than 85% of my country. So... People here generally can't buy more than 1 car. Hell, buying a Suzuki Swift is prestigious, because you have the money to buy a new car. It's that bad over here.
So in THIS country, this car is literally pointless, because the way people think here, is that buying a bigger car used is still a bigger car, so it's more usable for the family.
But in countries where people have the money to own more than 1 car, I think these things are amazing. You can park it anywhere, you can turn around anywhere, you have great visibility.
I believe that most people buy these "mini cars" because they are cheap. If money is the reason for buying one I think you're better off with buying a second hand Golf, that's my point.
+kimmern999 Well maybe you're right ☺
Car for girls.
+Olof L and?
I am not a girl, I own a SEAT Mii. Not the Mango edition, though.