Genius Nicolas - thank you. I'm committing to making my daily drive a BEV for my 25mile round trip. It seems to make sense - as you say, especially as I can fix my energy rate for up to 2 years. As much as I really would like an i3 for its looks and interior, they are out of my purchase budget. I've found the value of pre-owned Zoes quite compelling. Initially completely confused by their battery lease scheme, I've found this video really informative, clear and helpful. I now have no concerns starting my EV journey with a Zoe, leasing the battery for as long as Renault (chuckle: Ren-O, not Ren-alt, monsieur!) maintain the warranty & 'breakdown' cover. Thank you again - keep posting videos!
25 miles round trip EASY as cake for an EV, and here's a really good deal for EV owners share.octopus.energy/straw-moon-586 if you switch to that this week before Friday your get £50 credit once you done the online switch email them or call them ask to switch to "EV GO" this gets you 5p per kwh charging at night between 00:30-4:30 meaning its PEANUTS to charge a zoe and you can use your washing machine etc... at night to further savings its also 100% green. Thanks for your kind comments Mike and Yes the lease means buy in is CHEAP as chips on a zoe that just made it possible for me to get into a full BEV
I am picking up a Renault Zoe from Renault this weekend. Slightly nervous as I live in a flat (but have a charge points where i live). I also plan to have this car for more then two years. Your videos have been really informative and I just pray it all goes well . I have done lots of research and this is like one of the cheapest cars out there which is how I stumbled on it. Thanks for the video
Thanks so much for the kind words comments like this make me carry on making content to help assist people. I know a few people now who have no charge points who manage fine did you watch the guest vlog with El?
battery lease is the best thing in my Renault Zoe. I already used the Renault Assistance Service twice without juice and it works great. 1at time it stops just about 200 meters in front of the charging station and 2nd time three charging stations are not working with my charging app. Then I was running out of juice.. So it is a great help!
We replaced a Renault Clio 1.2 with a 65plate Zoe Nav as a second car, we do 9,000miles yr and even though my electric has gone up by £300 over the yr its actually saving me £1000+ when you factor in the total cost of ownership between the two cars. We were going to buy another Clio @ £9k (Same age & mileage) but the Zoe was £3k less which covers the battery lease for 3yrs. The Zoe is saving me the cost of the battery lease and its was £3k less. no brainier. Plus once you've driven an EV you wont go back. Finally, the Government give you £500 to get a home charger fitted.
+Jonathan Groves yep totally correct. I can’t understand why people can’t do what you’ve done and work out the maths, check out my other videos and if your not already please subscribe for great news and tips every week
Perhaps the Issue is I bought a Kadjar in 2015 , 21k today its still valued at 15.900 pounds , while all the money you paid in Battery rental costs evaporated in thin Air rendering your Zoe value today only at around 6k , which represents a loss of around 9000 pounds , which is enough to pay for fuel & tax for 10 years
Battery lease was put place when battery cost £30K compare todays cost is much less around £5000. Cost of Battery lease would buy a new battery every 4.1 years. If you going to lease the battery you may as well lease the car as well that way you dont have to pay £7K for a car that you only own part of and will lose money when you go to sell it in 2 years time.
+Crash UK Renault do also sell the “i” model video on that also on my channel depends on you which model plan you prefer, check out my other videos and don’t forget to subscribe
I have owned my z.e. for 2 years and only got to this outlook after 2 years. You explain it really well. It makes sense to lease and keeps the cost price of the overall unit down with the added benefits you accurately identify. Trouble is its still a pain when you come to sell, people just don't get it. Trying to get book price for the kangoo has been really difficult. In relation to powering the ev tesla have some really good stats re correlation between Ev purchase and panels and power wall. In brief there is a huge correlation. I can see why, especially when the tech comes along to use the vehicle battery to power the house in the evening. Best of luck the motor trade is fiercely competitive and full of idiots who don't know there subject area its refreshing to listen to someone who knows the product they are selling.
Thanks so much Tim, if your haven't already please subscribe i cover lots of Zoe and non Zoe related info in the electric car world, i've also got a nice competition coming this Saturday also
Really useful thanks! I'm already a Zoe owner but this question comes-up again and again when talking to friends about the zoe so your video is very useful.
I can't believe how cheap the Zoe is in the UK. In Germany a 2015 Zoe starts at almost 12000 €! No wonder EVs don't kick off over here. But despite that my next car is going to be a Zoe. ICE cars are dinosaurs.
Yes, you have to lease the battery. Only the new model can be bought with the battery, but prices start at over 30000 €, and thats crazy for such a small car.
So how much is the lease for a Zoe then? , I am looking just now as my car only gives me 23.3mpg so costs £1200 pe year for my 5500 miles, plus road tax
The question I was interested in is whether it is more cost effective to lease the battery or to buy it with the car. Using the Renault website tool I did a comparison. Assuming I can get my car part-ex'd for about £9000, over 36 months, the Dynamique model would cost me £35 per month, with £89 per month battery lease. The i-Dynamique would cost me £168 per month, so an extra £44 per month. The final payment on the i-Dynamique is also about £1300 more. Does this seem correct? Have I missed anything in my calculations?
Thanks. I'm not sure yet what I want to do. I haven't even been able to arrange a test drive yet. This would be my first steps into the EV world, and whether I'd want to keep the Zoe more than a couple of years is all up in the air at the moment. The way I'm looking at it is that it's still early days for EVs, and technology is constantly improving, so in three years, there will probably be many more options available and I might want to change.
If your not subscribed then sub to me i do new videos every week about EV's. Coming back to your question, think of it this way petrol and diesel cars improve every day, no point waiting if your going to buy one just jump in and get one if you keep it 3 years and love it, your buy another EV which ever model you buy the price will reflect that, so if you got an "I" model non pcp it will cost more than the lease version of the car your loose the same amount of money on it. If you have a PCP you know your loss and can buy the next one. I will tell you this from driving lots of different cars within my job, i enjoy driving my zoe more than some expensive range cars
i dont have a car ..yet but im 90% going for an EV. currently i can get a 2015 model for 8k non battery leave or a leased battery version for around 5k. finance over 4 years is about 50 quid difference. i guess its six and two threes.
Just looking on auto trader myself as im thinking of buying one. Why are the 2015 Renault Zoe's worth more now then they were when this video was posted?!?!
this is what bothers me most about my first ever car a Renault Zoe i've now purchased for £3995 after months of research on it haha. The battery lease for me is the only problem for my 60 mile round trip commute in manchester, thing is though the cheapest Nissan leaf with a battery owned is like £6k so I can keep this car for a few years before a leaf would have been a better option. I couldn't afford that leaf anyway and I much prefer the zoe and the two year period like you mention will still mean I bought the cheapest and best EV for me. I just don't like the sort of time limit imposed by the lease make it worse value every year.
The reason it’s so cheap is because of the lease, without the lease the price increases to more, as mentioned on my later videos you can buy an I model which is a battery owned model
Nicolas Raimo yeah the lease benefits are good on my Zoe coming on Thursday but I'll probably change car in a few years before it costs as much as an equivalent I model. Then it makes complete sense for me. Lease is good for used owners but keeping it for more than 4-5 years is more expensive.
whatever way you explain it.... Lease costs more than fuel. So trading a fuel car for a zoe with lease, you will never save on fuel as the lease costs 12p per mile. End of
@@NicolasRaimo the lease costs more the more miles you do. It costs more than fuel costs to run a eco combustion car. Yeah its cheaper, but after you pay the lease for 4 years or so, you might just aswell use those 4k lease and get the battery. the battery included one also sells like hot cakes, the leased ones, no1 wants them as they have to take on the lease so owners have little option other than dumping it the dealer for 3-4k
@@cbflazaro the lease ones sell like hot cakes!, in fact leased zoe's have increased in price since my original videos by over £2000 for the same year 2nd hand. Argument would be long term lease battery would be cheaper as if battery dropped below replacement % you get a new battery. At the end of the day its down to your own personal choice which one you buy i opt for the lease battery for its price points. However don't fall into the trap that many believe lease cars are hard to sell they are in fact EASY to sell. The difference is if you go to a dealer that's never sold or understands a zoe your get the knee jerk reaction speak to a dealer like my self or many others and we shall snap a 2nd lease zoe off you as fast as we can.
but.,like I thought the price of charging is going to kill the electric car off it is currently £7.71 in some places to fully charge in the uk ,its like diesel 20 years ago you could get double the miles you could get in a petrol car but look at it now diesels more expensive
Electric will of course go up in price that's called inflation however unlike petrol or diesel you can make your OWN electric at home using wind turbine or solar array and this means price's won't go up as much! There is no company charging £7.71 there rates suggest that is what they "will charge" when they finish there "trail" period however its unlikely as they have to compete with other chargers and people vote with there wallet, to be fair thou i'd be willing to use an expensive charger if i needed a charge and its a rapid in a remote location even at double that its still cheaper than fuel and we are a long way off from that kind of inflation rate.
Hi John on the ZE model yes its £99 for unlimited mileage, you can buy a "I" model which includes the battery, there be a video about that this week or next with a bit of luck, however buying the battery included model with increase the PRICE by around £6500
its a very personal decision, if your a first time EV owner then go for it, its a cheap way to buy an EV and learn about the life of battery tech, if your thinking of only keeping the car shortterm again its a cheap way. If its your 2nd EV and you can afford a full buyout then by all means buy the zoe "i" model which is battery included.
But I don't get charged rent for my engine! No car maker leases their engine! It's still a running cost and it's more than a diesel. Worlds most expensive warrantee and breakdown too! Stop calculating on up front cost and calculate it on overall running costs.
+Alastair Wilson if you count overall cost then the cost of the car should be added into that calculation which means it’s cheaper, you can buy the I mode which includes the battery so no lease video made on that this week, personally a lifetime warranty and much lower upfront cost I like lease
So say you think you are going to do less than 4500 miles so you select the £49 option but then go over the 4500 miles later and do more miles than expected
I think you need to go back to school renting a battery is in addition to buying electricity so it costing you £50 per month before you charge which when you put £50 of fuel in the car each month you are already able to travel unlike the electric which you have to pay for on top of the rental so unless you live on a different planet where electricity is free then your knowledge of cars is about the same as a infant school student
plenty of 4 year old zoe's on leases for sale and being snapped up, this week ill be doing a video on the battery included models but personally i prefer the lease route it brings down the total cost of the car and it means i have a lifetime warranty on the battery
Maybe but I like to own a car for a number of years. I have had my ford focus from 2008 which I still use now. I have done 90000K . This car was a year old back in 2008 and cost me £8366 which was a good price for a car with 11K mile. If this car was a ev it would have cost me around £10,692 to lease battery. over that time.
Buy a cheap second hand EV you will lose a lot less money than any ice car even with a battery lease. My service cost on a Fluence has been £60 per year. I drive 11k miles per year. No road tax, insurance is similar at around £400 to an equivalent ice car. But the drive has been so superior to anything I have driven in the past 40 years. The Fluence has a very limited range but that has increased with all the destination chargers now available. I am looking forward to driving a second generation EV eventually!
That price Zoe includes the battery, but then compare lifetime running cost and the fact the Zoe would be worth more when you sell it, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper. Yes upfront cost is more but not long term
Nicolas Raimo hi there, - €20.000 to get back on running costs? Running costs of a Clio. That should take a really “long term”. - And if you have to wait came resell time to make some money back which is not guaranteed, by then this Zoe may be nearly as much obsolete as the Clio - You have an extra €20.000 tied up in the car. That costs money. I have a Zoe but it’s not because it’s a great buy. Like when one buys a sport car it’s not to get faster to work.
As i said Upfront costs are more but the running cost are less and if you assume most people sell there car after 3 years if buying new. EV's lose less money % wise compared to non EV's. Over the lifetime of the car there much cheaper to own and run, if you think of owning and running the car over a long period the savings are huge. You don't just own a car for 12 months and throw it in the bin its still got a value and your likely want another car and another car and another car.
Nicolas Raimo hello again, Your point is either it’s good value because you make it back long term or it’s a great value because you buy a new car every three years. It can’t be both. The former is a bet on the future unknown value opposed to the €20.000 upfront. The later is absurd as it’s precisely on the first two years the depreciation’s the biggest.
Let me give an example of used Renault Zoe in the UK LEASE MODEL so non battery owned. NEW COST £12800 at the time with the 22kwh battery, to buy a 2015 version of this car now would cost £7200 that's a loss of £5600 in 3 years lets look at a similar priced car which is a SRI Vauxhall (opel) corsa new price is about £12,000 current value is £5000 for same year thats a loss of £7000, so it cost slightly less but its lost even more this is before you add in savings owning the car.
Realistically you would be paying around £140 a Month Battery rental + Charging costs *before even including the price of the Zoe* ? . And you don't understand why people looking to save on fuel ,might have a problem with that ???
+niceguy60 I done a video on how to spot an “I” model which includes the battery if that’s your preference everyone’s different some people prefer to know the battery is covered for life
Nicolas Raimo you keep mentioning "Zoe I" financially is there a difference ??? . Considering you will not buy a Zoe without batteries ??? . You make it sound like its 6k zoe vs 20k Zoe , when in reality is 20k vs 20k
Yes there’s a price difference zoe with battery lease is around say £12k NEW and the I model same sped would be £18k. Price second hand is around the same difference gap
Nicolas Raimo , hummm I get it now Battery renting means you will never own the battery although you have been paying 110 pounds a month + 30 Pound's charging costs for a long time not including PCP monthly payments Its dodge !!!
''Does the battery lease costs more than Fuel Renault Zoe ?'' *Yes it does* !!! . if you are looking to do 10000 miles a year , it costs £110 to rent the battery *not including the price of the Zoe* !!! . The Battery rental costs its an additional cost which eats in to any fuel savings costs , + charging is not free !!! I don't understand your comparative about renting the engine , *cars in working condition always come with engines included *
If you feel that way you can buy the zoe I model which includes the battery others may feel the lifetime warranty on the battery and reduced purchases cost with breakdown cover are worth the monthly rental
Nicolas Raimo I found your video deceiving and miss leading *all New Renaults come with at least 4 years warranty & breakdown cover* this should not be used as a selling peach to charge another (£110 for alleged battery rental costs) *on the top of the vehicle price* Even the Kia you showed in this video has a *7 years warranty* + breakdown cover and no £110 battery rental costs
Zoe I costs around £20,000 which is exactly the same amount of money people will pay when buying any other version of Zoe once you factor battery rental costs which *every Zoe Advert you shown *failed to state *
Missing the point that the lease is monthly too. Talk on how £110 a month is nothing (£1320 a year!) but picks on a kia costing £30 a year to tax. Yeah includes breakdown cover, but the kia will still be cheaper to fill with good old fuel, tax and buy breakdown separately than the lease alone. (before even counting with the price of charging the car, which sometimes won't be cheap as some stations charge well for this). Electric is only worth it if you drive 20k+ a year and don't need to do long journeys or have another car
Getting a 2013 Zoe with a battery lease, Will be using it for commuting and work out less than fuel for my 3L Subaru... which commutes at about 25p/mile, the Zoe, will be about 14p/mile with the battery lease included! Great Videos Nicolas, all very helpful, Cheers!
@@NicolasRaimo Ive just worked out, that my current bmw 318d if doing 6000 miles annually could work out at 13p per mile for diesal which is cheaper than 16p per mile a zoe would cost for electric and battery lease.
Hi, Ive watched a ton of your videos over the last few days, ive never sat in an EV but just wanted to say thanks for your efforts, you have been a great help. You have dealt with the issue of battery lease very well indeed and that was the biggest hurdle for us. The end result of digesting your videos is that i'm test-driving a 3-year old 22KWH with leased battery on Saturday on the 50 mile commute and as long as its in fine order and makes the trip (which it will) Ill buy it. I don't care if its a Q or an R as it will only ever be charged at home. From watching many of your videos, I know that when I go see the car, ill know so much more about it than the main dealer selling it. Cheers.
Great to hear! if the car doesn't live up to what you expect i've just took a 2016 Zoe in stock at work for sale. If it does pan out and you want to help support the channel and help me make more videos check out www.patreon.com/raimonick thanks again for your comment
Just put money down on a new 40kw Zoe with a lease. Did my sums - to spec a Corsa to the base level of a Zoe with the same money down would cost more per month than the Zoe + lease. People forget that this is a high-spec car as standard. With that, I get a car that's more comfortable, more spacious and costs pennies to run. Really is a no-brainer.
We pick up our lease Zoe in March. We have unlimited miles option due to doing 18000 miles a year. £110 extra per month but over the pcp of the car it will work out as £5200 but to buy the i version it would have been an extra £7000. Trade at the end is relative to.
Hi Greg welcome to my channel! The unlimited mileage option can be a great benefit to many owners however you can only have it on a ZE40 model. PS check out my other videos this is one of my first videos i ever did on youtube and the quality since then has improved A LOT!
@@NicolasRaimo yes been getting some great info from your channel. We loved the Zoe when we had it for the weekend. Tried a Smart and a Leaf but ZOE was just so nice.
Hi Timothy maybe watch more of my videos and your understand yes your electric bill is higher HOWEVER its much cheaper than fuel.. we now run a Corsa-E electric which we own outright no battery lease, our cost per MILE is 1.20p thats not £1.20 its £0.0120 so less than 2p a mile. Petrol cars don't come close neither do diesels. Its not all about cost either cleaner air is better for everyone. See my video on getting electric for 5p a kwh...
You are on about buying the car and then renting the battery compared to buying a petrol car for the same price so if you buy a petrol car and put £50 of fuel in the car you can drive about 400 miles strait away for the cost of 1 months battery rental that the then have to pay extra money to charge and would have 1/4 of the range but pay extra on top of the rental to use it so you do the maths maybe Renault pays you for your comment on there cars
yes nicolas I subscribed :) little nervy about the whole EV thing though, I hope the leasing becomes cheaper with an end goal of recycling or buy out or something?
I understand the price on a lease Zoe is lower but have you got a price of buying batteries outright? I understand Renault are allowing this now. I would buy the lease Zero but not sure I could live with an 80 mile model as I live in a flat and don't have home charging. Is there fast charging on these models? My budget could not go to the newer 180 mile model at the moment.I only do 6000 miles a year at the moment.
You can’t buy a 2nd lease zoe battery outright ignore the rumour mills. You can however buy a new zoe with battery owned or buy a zoe “i” model which is a battery owned model there about £5000 more than the lease model so work that into your pricing if your only going 6000 miles a year
so base line , if i dont pay that lise , i just trow my money off the window , no lise no car . to convert a car from petrol to electric , £3000 - £5000 and some labor , so practically this its a bag o rubbish
sSo what I don't get is if a battery costs 3000 pounds roughly then why such a large lease fee? I may as well put the money into a saving account for when the time comes to replace it. Which, incidentally, seems to be an unknown length of time as far as I know. I don't think I would get one if that does not go down
Hi John I’ve done other videos on this in more detail subscribe and check out the others, However in brief it’s around £4000-£5000 for an I model also if the battery failed it would include buying the battery and fitting it this cost would more than likely come to £9000 as parts are more expensive if you buy them than if included if that makes sense, you lease also includes unlimited breakdown cover even if you run out of charge
Thanks for the reply very useful to know this. Can you help me with another issue? I have heard that the new battery (40KW) can be installed in the older battery Zoe's. Do you know if this would be part of a lease system?
You just being deceived why would you pay 110 pounds battery rental costs plus + the cost of a vehicle ??? £7000 in battery costs alone , are you kidding me ??? . I called a Zoe Seller and I've been informed the price of the battery is not shown in adverts !!! you might see a Zoe for £6900 they fail to display + £7000 battery costs
Nice video. I agree with what you say. However my view is a cost is still a cost you can dress it up anyway you want. I see what Renault are trying to do. But they should have just made it a simple 50€ a month what ever the mileage for normal public users, make a fair average where you win a few , you lose a few. If it's a company car they can easily afford the 120€ a month un limited mileage charge. The bigger issue which is a real one. If you have a heart attack (God forbid!) and are sitting at home with your feet up. Mr Renault will still charge you 120€ a month and your not even driving it but you are being penalised. For being green!! With petrol, same scenario you pay zero! That's the unfair part. I live in France and flexibility does not exist in their vocabulary. Maybe in the uk it's done more logically. ( another word not in their vocabulary).
if they set a medium price then people doing much lower mileage would be paying more based on mileage is a fairer system they worked out that with charging and lease cost that the COST per mile is still cheaper than using a fossil car this makes it fair for all. You can take the lowest package and then pay 8p per mile you go over which is the same as going on the next package anyway. I understand what your saying about being ill but same applies if you brought the car with the battery it would be losing money while not being used.
I agree with you, the battery lease means a lot more than just replacing petrol prices. the Zoe is a great car and I'm considering the lease option. Your analysis of renewable energy is massively flawed. The more intermittent renewable energy will increase volatility of electricity availability, utility scale power storage does not exist, and backup costs will more than double the cost of renewables. Noone ever considers this. and the price of electricity must go up. The price of cheap electricity ended 10 years ago. If your analysis is to consider all the factors, you must consider all the factors associated with your future power sources.
Paul am sorry but your wrong, Utility battery scale power does currently exist, South Australia -tesla unit, and some power firms and car firms are trailing "car battery storage" plus if every home is fitted with batteries this will then be controlled by the grid using smart meters. Lookup Orkney where new houses now have to be built with batteries which are controlled by the grid, plenty of this going on prices will fall in electricity but I don't mean fall as in price goes down I mean more that they won't go up with inflation, as the grid stables out the night time charging and everything is on the same plane of use this will make prices fall for a short period.
These are isolated installations. Renewable energy remains highly intermittent and you if every home were fitted with smart meters and storage, we'll end up losing control of our power as the smart system draws from your storage. Plus I calculate that a single storage battery will be depleted if I switch my oven on for just 20 minutes. 5 of those will be for preheating leaving 15 minutes of power left. At the scale that I need it, storage does not exist affordably. And remember, my oven needs to draw load alongside my lighting circuit, my EV car, cooking hob, TV, set top box, laptops. it's the end of cheap power unless there's a solution beyond solar and wind. but the current belief that we're going to decarbonise at less cost than today is a fallacy.
+Paul B not really isolated there just first few testing grounds the big water dam in Wales is almost like a battery storage it uses cheap electricity off peak and drains at high peak, Tesla plan to go huge in grid storage this year and there’s also some firms working of new battery types just for grid storage this isn’t going to happen over night but we will see less and less carbon and then non, however unlike other people i do think we will need to keep nuclear power for some time but I advise you to google and watch some videos on TH-cam about grid storage and v2g storage
My issue with Zoe is the deceiving & misleading price on none Zoe I models. . You see a 6k price Zoe when in reality you will be making additional payments which you didn't foreseen or end up being more expensive than the car itself
The cost is made clear from the start, as i mentioned previously your paying for breakdown and a warranty of you don’t feel that paying that cost for peace of mind is worth it then the “I” model gives you the option to buy the car without lease however the battery is only under cover for 5 years and can’t be extended, new battery with fitting would be £9000
Genius Nicolas - thank you. I'm committing to making my daily drive a BEV for my 25mile round trip. It seems to make sense - as you say, especially as I can fix my energy rate for up to 2 years. As much as I really would like an i3 for its looks and interior, they are out of my purchase budget. I've found the value of pre-owned Zoes quite compelling. Initially completely confused by their battery lease scheme, I've found this video really informative, clear and helpful. I now have no concerns starting my EV journey with a Zoe, leasing the battery for as long as Renault (chuckle: Ren-O, not Ren-alt, monsieur!) maintain the warranty & 'breakdown' cover. Thank you again - keep posting videos!
25 miles round trip EASY as cake for an EV, and here's a really good deal for EV owners share.octopus.energy/straw-moon-586 if you switch to that this week before Friday your get £50 credit once you done the online switch email them or call them ask to switch to "EV GO" this gets you 5p per kwh charging at night between 00:30-4:30 meaning its PEANUTS to charge a zoe and you can use your washing machine etc... at night to further savings its also 100% green.
Thanks for your kind comments Mike and Yes the lease means buy in is CHEAP as chips on a zoe that just made it possible for me to get into a full BEV
I am picking up a Renault Zoe from Renault this weekend. Slightly nervous as I live in a flat (but have a charge points where i live). I also plan to have this car for more then two years. Your videos have been really informative and I just pray it all goes well . I have done lots of research and this is like one of the cheapest cars out there which is how I stumbled on it. Thanks for the video
Thanks so much for the kind words comments like this make me carry on making content to help assist people. I know a few people now who have no charge points who manage fine did you watch the guest vlog with El?
battery lease is the best thing in my Renault Zoe.
I already used the Renault Assistance Service twice without juice and it works great.
1at time it stops just about 200 meters in front of the charging station and 2nd time three charging stations are not working with my charging app. Then I was running out of juice.. So it is a great help!
We replaced a Renault Clio 1.2 with a 65plate Zoe Nav as a second car, we do 9,000miles yr and even though my electric has gone up by £300 over the yr its actually saving me £1000+ when you factor in the total cost of ownership between the two cars. We were going to buy another Clio @ £9k (Same age & mileage) but the Zoe was £3k less which covers the battery lease for 3yrs. The Zoe is saving me the cost of the battery lease and its was £3k less. no brainier. Plus once you've driven an EV you wont go back. Finally, the Government give you £500 to get a home charger fitted.
+Jonathan Groves yep totally correct. I can’t understand why people can’t do what you’ve done and work out the maths, check out my other videos and if your not already please subscribe for great news and tips every week
How much was your battery rental cost and what was the mileage cap on it ???
Perhaps the Issue is I bought a Kadjar in 2015 , 21k today its still valued at 15.900 pounds , while all the money you paid in Battery rental costs evaporated in thin Air rendering your Zoe value today only at around 6k , which represents a loss of around 9000 pounds , which is enough to pay for fuel & tax for 10 years
9000 miles = £1000 of fuel on a diesel . Leased zoe: £1320 lease + £300 electricity. how come you're saving anything?
Battery lease was put place when battery cost £30K compare todays cost is much less around £5000. Cost of Battery lease would buy a new battery every 4.1 years. If you going to lease the battery you may as well lease the car as well that way you dont have to pay £7K for a car that you only own part of and will lose money when you go to sell it in 2 years time.
+Crash UK Renault do also sell the “i” model video on that also on my channel depends on you which model plan you prefer, check out my other videos and don’t forget to subscribe
Yes the Zoe I for 20k , who would pay that for tinny car with 100 miles range ?
I have owned my z.e. for 2 years and only got to this outlook after 2 years. You explain it really well. It makes sense to lease and keeps the cost price of the overall unit down with the added benefits you accurately identify. Trouble is its still a pain when you come to sell, people just don't get it. Trying to get book price for the kangoo has been really difficult.
In relation to powering the ev tesla have some really good stats re correlation between Ev purchase and panels and power wall. In brief there is a huge correlation. I can see why, especially when the tech comes along to use the vehicle battery to power the house in the evening.
Best of luck the motor trade is fiercely competitive and full of idiots who don't know there subject area its refreshing to listen to someone who knows the product they are selling.
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Really useful thanks! I'm already a Zoe owner but this question comes-up again and again when talking to friends about the zoe so your video is very useful.
+Kevin Orman thanks Kevin if you’ve not already please subscribe to the channel I do new videos weekly and always open to questions
I can't believe how cheap the Zoe is in the UK. In Germany a 2015 Zoe starts at almost 12000 €! No wonder EVs don't kick off over here. But despite that my next car is going to be a Zoe. ICE cars are dinosaurs.
Maulesel wow that's crazy! Are battery leased over there also? Ps don't forget to subscribe for more
Yes, you have to lease the battery. Only the new model can be bought with the battery, but prices start at over 30000 €, and thats crazy for such a small car.
So how much is the lease for a Zoe then? , I am looking just now as my car only gives me 23.3mpg so costs £1200 pe year for my 5500 miles, plus road tax
Very good info , hope people get the point , Zoe is wonderful car.
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The question I was interested in is whether it is more cost effective to lease the battery or to buy it with the car. Using the Renault website tool I did a comparison. Assuming I can get my car part-ex'd for about £9000, over 36 months, the Dynamique model would cost me £35 per month, with £89 per month battery lease. The i-Dynamique would cost me £168 per month, so an extra £44 per month. The final payment on the i-Dynamique is also about £1300 more. Does this seem correct? Have I missed anything in my calculations?
if your leasing then just look at cheapest PCP option. If your buying and keeping long term buy the "i" model.
Thanks. I'm not sure yet what I want to do. I haven't even been able to arrange a test drive yet. This would be my first steps into the EV world, and whether I'd want to keep the Zoe more than a couple of years is all up in the air at the moment. The way I'm looking at it is that it's still early days for EVs, and technology is constantly improving, so in three years, there will probably be many more options available and I might want to change.
If your not subscribed then sub to me i do new videos every week about EV's. Coming back to your question, think of it this way petrol and diesel cars improve every day, no point waiting if your going to buy one just jump in and get one if you keep it 3 years and love it, your buy another EV which ever model you buy the price will reflect that, so if you got an "I" model non pcp it will cost more than the lease version of the car your loose the same amount of money on it. If you have a PCP you know your loss and can buy the next one. I will tell you this from driving lots of different cars within my job, i enjoy driving my zoe more than some expensive range cars
i dont have a car ..yet but im 90% going for an EV. currently i can get a 2015 model for 8k non battery leave or a leased battery version for around 5k. finance over 4 years is about 50 quid difference. i guess its six and two threes.
Not sure why people complain. Battery lease is way cheaper than fuel costs in my Bentley.
Just looking on auto trader myself as im thinking of buying one.
Why are the 2015 Renault Zoe's worth more now then they were when this video was posted?!?!
Supply and demand
this is what bothers me most about my first ever car a Renault Zoe i've now purchased for £3995 after months of research on it haha. The battery lease for me is the only problem for my 60 mile round trip commute in manchester, thing is though the cheapest Nissan leaf with a battery owned is like £6k so I can keep this car for a few years before a leaf would have been a better option. I couldn't afford that leaf anyway and I much prefer the zoe and the two year period like you mention will still mean I bought the cheapest and best EV for me. I just don't like the sort of time limit imposed by the lease make it worse value every year.
The reason it’s so cheap is because of the lease, without the lease the price increases to more, as mentioned on my later videos you can buy an I model which is a battery owned model
Nicolas Raimo yeah the lease benefits are good on my Zoe coming on Thursday but I'll probably change car in a few years before it costs as much as an equivalent I model. Then it makes complete sense for me. Lease is good for used owners but keeping it for more than 4-5 years is more expensive.
Long term older lease models make more sense as if battery fails you could land your self a higher powered pack
Any reason why you're looking at the top left corner of my screen? Sheez
whatever way you explain it.... Lease costs more than fuel. So trading a fuel car for a zoe with lease, you will never save on fuel as the lease costs 12p per mile. End of
Bruno again as you didn't reply last time i asked, How did you work that out what you paying for fuel and getting MPG
@@NicolasRaimo the lease costs more the more miles you do. It costs more than fuel costs to run a eco combustion car. Yeah its cheaper, but after you pay the lease for 4 years or so, you might just aswell use those 4k lease and get the battery. the battery included one also sells like hot cakes, the leased ones, no1 wants them as they have to take on the lease so owners have little option other than dumping it the dealer for 3-4k
@@cbflazaro the lease ones sell like hot cakes!, in fact leased zoe's have increased in price since my original videos by over £2000 for the same year 2nd hand. Argument would be long term lease battery would be cheaper as if battery dropped below replacement % you get a new battery. At the end of the day its down to your own personal choice which one you buy i opt for the lease battery for its price points. However don't fall into the trap that many believe lease cars are hard to sell they are in fact EASY to sell. The difference is if you go to a dealer that's never sold or understands a zoe your get the knee jerk reaction speak to a dealer like my self or many others and we shall snap a 2nd lease zoe off you as fast as we can.
Any idea what the new leases are like mine up soon but no idea what new lease will be , mystery !, does new lease on old battery come down
Car lease Nigel? Or battery lease?
but.,like I thought the price of charging is going to kill the electric car off it is currently £7.71 in some places to fully charge in the uk ,its like diesel 20 years ago you could get double the miles you could get in a petrol car but look at it now diesels more expensive
Electric will of course go up in price that's called inflation however unlike petrol or diesel you can make your OWN electric at home using wind turbine or solar array and this means price's won't go up as much! There is no company charging £7.71 there rates suggest that is what they "will charge" when they finish there "trail" period however its unlikely as they have to compete with other chargers and people vote with there wallet, to be fair thou i'd be willing to use an expensive charger if i needed a charge and its a rapid in a remote location even at double that its still cheaper than fuel and we are a long way off from that kind of inflation rate.
Yes, it would in my case!
If that's the case you could buy a renault zoe I model which is non battery leased but more up front cost.
Can you buy the lease from Renault?
Hi John, I don't know why you'd want to? you'd not have all the benefits the lease gives you.
Nicolas Raimo Thanks for your reply: The reason is that I do 15,000-20,000miles a year. On your chart I think it is £99 a month or it might be more!
Hi John on the ZE model yes its £99 for unlimited mileage, you can buy a "I" model which includes the battery, there be a video about that this week or next with a bit of luck, however buying the battery included model with increase the PRICE by around £6500
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Already have.
so what do you thing then. It is worth it? or not??
its a very personal decision, if your a first time EV owner then go for it, its a cheap way to buy an EV and learn about the life of battery tech, if your thinking of only keeping the car shortterm again its a cheap way. If its your 2nd EV and you can afford a full buyout then by all means buy the zoe "i" model which is battery included.
But I don't get charged rent for my engine! No car maker leases their engine! It's still a running cost and it's more than a diesel. Worlds most expensive warrantee and breakdown too! Stop calculating on up front cost and calculate it on overall running costs.
+Alastair Wilson if you count overall cost then the cost of the car should be added into that calculation which means it’s cheaper, you can buy the I mode which includes the battery so no lease video made on that this week, personally a lifetime warranty and much lower upfront cost I like lease
great video
audioorigami thanks don't forget to subscribe
The elec cars are cheap as they don't have (to quote) an engine. I'd have that Kia 1.25 over an elec any day of the week.
What do you mean? What you said makes no sense you know electric cars are MUCH faster than any petrol cars for there equivalent class
So say you think you are going to do less than 4500 miles so you select the £49 option but then go over the 4500 miles later and do more miles than expected
your pay 8p per mile over, but you can change your monthly plan at any time.
I think you need to go back to school renting a battery is in addition to buying electricity so it costing you £50 per month before you charge which when you put £50 of fuel in the car each month you are already able to travel unlike the electric which you have to pay for on top of the rental so unless you live on a different planet where electricity is free then your knowledge of cars is about the same as a infant school student
Maybe if you asked the cost of the electric you could do the maths before making a stupid comment
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Glad you enjoyed it
Second hand car without an engine so you need to lease the engine...£5000 more with the engine.
It’s one way of looking st it but the engine has break down cover and warranty oh and it cost less than. ⛽️
i would rather buy a whole car ..... Renault can take there battery back at anytime ....
battery lease is a rip off. Try selling the car in 5 years time.
plenty of 4 year old zoe's on leases for sale and being snapped up, this week ill be doing a video on the battery included models but personally i prefer the lease route it brings down the total cost of the car and it means i have a lifetime warranty on the battery
Maybe but I like to own a car for a number of years. I have had my ford focus from 2008 which I still use now. I have done 90000K . This car was a year old back in 2008 and cost me £8366 which was a good price for a car with 11K mile. If this car was a ev it would have cost me around £10,692 to lease battery. over that time.
+Crash UK but in that you need to add fuel
And extra cost like camp belts etc...
Buy a cheap second hand EV you will lose a lot less money than any ice car even with a battery lease. My service cost on a Fluence has been £60 per year. I drive 11k miles per year. No road tax, insurance is similar at around £400 to an equivalent ice car. But the drive has been so superior to anything I have driven in the past 40 years. The Fluence has a very limited range but that has increased with all the destination chargers now available. I am looking forward to driving a second generation EV eventually!
@@jcfallows my diesel costs as much to run 11k miles as you pay for a 11k miles lease alone.
Clio Zen €14.700
Kadjar Zen €27.800
Zoe Life €34.300
You don’t buy an electric car because of the economics of it, you buy it because you want to.
That price Zoe includes the battery, but then compare lifetime running cost and the fact the Zoe would be worth more when you sell it, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper. Yes upfront cost is more but not long term
Nicolas Raimo hi there,
- €20.000 to get back on running costs? Running costs of a Clio. That should take a really “long term”.
- And if you have to wait came resell time to make some money back which is not guaranteed, by then this Zoe may be nearly as much obsolete as the Clio
- You have an extra €20.000 tied up in the car. That costs money.
I have a Zoe but it’s not because it’s a great buy. Like when one buys a sport car it’s not to get faster to work.
As i said Upfront costs are more but the running cost are less and if you assume most people sell there car after 3 years if buying new. EV's lose less money % wise compared to non EV's. Over the lifetime of the car there much cheaper to own and run, if you think of owning and running the car over a long period the savings are huge. You don't just own a car for 12 months and throw it in the bin its still got a value and your likely want another car and another car and another car.
Nicolas Raimo hello again,
Your point is either it’s good value because you make it back long term or it’s a great value because you buy a new car every three years. It can’t be both.
The former is a bet on the future unknown value opposed to the €20.000 upfront. The later is absurd as it’s precisely on the first two years the depreciation’s the biggest.
Let me give an example of used Renault Zoe in the UK LEASE MODEL so non battery owned. NEW COST £12800 at the time with the 22kwh battery, to buy a 2015 version of this car now would cost £7200 that's a loss of £5600 in 3 years lets look at a similar priced car which is a SRI Vauxhall (opel) corsa new price is about £12,000 current value is £5000 for same year thats a loss of £7000, so it cost slightly less but its lost even more this is before you add in savings owning the car.
Realistically you would be paying around £140 a Month Battery rental + Charging costs
*before even including the price of the Zoe* ?
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And you don't understand why people looking to save on fuel ,might have a problem with that ???
+niceguy60 I done a video on how to spot an “I” model which includes the battery if that’s your preference everyone’s different some people prefer to know the battery is covered for life
Nicolas Raimo you keep mentioning "Zoe I" financially is there a difference ???
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Considering you will not buy a Zoe without batteries ???
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You make it sound like its 6k zoe vs 20k Zoe , when in reality is 20k vs 20k
Yes there’s a price difference zoe with battery lease is around say £12k NEW and the I model same sped would be £18k. Price second hand is around the same difference gap
Nicolas Raimo so why would anyone buy the "Zoe I" if is 6000 pounds more expensive ???
Nicolas Raimo , hummm I get it now
Battery renting means you will never own the battery although you have been paying 110 pounds a month + 30 Pound's charging costs for a long time not including PCP monthly payments
Its dodge !!!
''Does the battery lease costs more than Fuel Renault Zoe ?''
*Yes it does* !!!
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if you are looking to do 10000 miles a year , it costs £110 to rent the battery *not including the price of the Zoe* !!!
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The Battery rental costs its an additional cost which eats in to any fuel savings costs , + charging is not free !!!
I don't understand your comparative about renting the engine , *cars in working condition always come with engines included *
If you feel that way you can buy the zoe I model which includes the battery others may feel the lifetime warranty on the battery and reduced purchases cost with breakdown cover are worth the monthly rental
Nicolas Raimo I found your video deceiving and miss leading *all New Renaults come with at least 4 years warranty & breakdown cover* this should not be used as a selling peach to charge another (£110 for alleged battery rental costs) *on the top of the vehicle price*
Even the Kia you showed in this video has a *7 years warranty* + breakdown cover and no £110 battery rental costs
Zoe I costs around £20,000 which is exactly the same amount of money people will pay when buying any other version of Zoe once you factor battery rental costs which *every Zoe Advert you shown *failed to state *
Missing the point that the lease is monthly too.
Talk on how £110 a month is nothing (£1320 a year!) but picks on a kia costing £30 a year to tax.
Yeah includes breakdown cover, but the kia will still be cheaper to fill with good old fuel, tax and buy breakdown separately than the lease alone. (before even counting with the price of charging the car, which sometimes won't be cheap as some stations charge well for this).
Electric is only worth it if you drive 20k+ a year and don't need to do long journeys or have another car
Come to Ireland north or south , totally free everywhere , 22kw ac everywhere and 43kw ac on major roads for at least the next year
Getting a 2013 Zoe with a battery lease, Will be using it for commuting and work out less than fuel for my 3L Subaru... which commutes at about 25p/mile, the Zoe, will be about 14p/mile with the battery lease included!
Great Videos Nicolas, all very helpful, Cheers!
Thanks Aliburgo1 for subscribing! if you have any videos you'd like to see me do please let me know.
@@NicolasRaimo Ive just worked out, that my current bmw 318d if doing 6000 miles annually could work out at 13p per mile for diesal which is cheaper than 16p per mile a zoe would cost for electric and battery lease.
@@ascelot then buy a NON lease version. The lease includes a lifetime warranty on the battery and breakdown as well
@@NicolasRaimo How do you identify the I verions?
@@ascelot subscribe to my channel and on my channel page search "i model" or battery owned video about it around about 5 months ago
you have different iris colours! :)
Like your enthusiasm 👍🏼😊
Hi, Ive watched a ton of your videos over the last few days, ive never sat in an EV but just wanted to say thanks for your efforts, you have been a great help. You have dealt with the issue of battery lease very well indeed and that was the biggest hurdle for us. The end result of digesting your videos is that i'm test-driving a 3-year old 22KWH with leased battery on Saturday on the 50 mile commute and as long as its in fine order and makes the trip (which it will) Ill buy it. I don't care if its a Q or an R as it will only ever be charged at home. From watching many of your videos, I know that when I go see the car, ill know so much more about it than the main dealer selling it. Cheers.
Great to hear! if the car doesn't live up to what you expect i've just took a 2016 Zoe in stock at work for sale. If it does pan out and you want to help support the channel and help me make more videos check out www.patreon.com/raimonick thanks again for your comment
Just put money down on a new 40kw Zoe with a lease. Did my sums - to spec a Corsa to the base level of a Zoe with the same money down would cost more per month than the Zoe + lease.
People forget that this is a high-spec car as standard.
With that, I get a car that's more comfortable, more spacious and costs pennies to run.
Really is a no-brainer.
+Tim Austin dead on the nail, hope my other videos help you on your zoe journey
This video didn't age well when it comes to electricity prices.
We pick up our lease Zoe in March. We have unlimited miles option due to doing 18000 miles a year. £110 extra per month but over the pcp of the car it will work out as £5200 but to buy the i version it would have been an extra £7000. Trade at the end is relative to.
Hi Greg welcome to my channel! The unlimited mileage option can be a great benefit to many owners however you can only have it on a ZE40 model. PS check out my other videos this is one of my first videos i ever did on youtube and the quality since then has improved A LOT!
@@NicolasRaimo yes been getting some great info from your channel. We loved the Zoe when we had it for the weekend. Tried a Smart and a Leaf but ZOE was just so nice.
gregtriumphrat gen1 leaf review coming soon I just finished editing it
Electric Bill's will be very high charge a battery car for 8 hours it's like putting on 9 electric kettles
Hi Timothy maybe watch more of my videos and your understand yes your electric bill is higher HOWEVER its much cheaper than fuel.. we now run a Corsa-E electric which we own outright no battery lease, our cost per MILE is 1.20p thats not £1.20 its £0.0120 so less than 2p a mile. Petrol cars don't come close neither do diesels. Its not all about cost either cleaner air is better for everyone.
See my video on getting electric for 5p a kwh...
Stick with petrol bh the look
You are on about buying the car and then renting the battery compared to buying a petrol car for the same price so if you buy a petrol car and put £50 of fuel in the car you can drive about 400 miles strait away for the cost of 1 months battery rental that the then have to pay extra money to charge and would have 1/4 of the range but pay extra on top of the rental to use it so you do the maths maybe Renault pays you for your comment on there cars
Newbie to the whole EV thing here! Your videos have been very informative, thanks. Should be getting my first Zoe in Dcember :)
Great to hear Jon, are you subscribed .
yes nicolas I subscribed :) little nervy about the whole EV thing though, I hope the leasing becomes cheaper with an end goal of recycling or buy out or something?
Jon bradley do you mean the battery lease or the car in general
Nicolas Raimo sorry, I meant the battery lease
battery lease will stay same price as if it fails you get a new battery and they recycle the old one
I understand the price on a lease Zoe is lower but have you got a price of buying batteries outright? I understand Renault are allowing this now. I would buy the lease Zero but not sure I could live with an 80 mile model as I live in a flat and don't have home charging. Is there fast charging on these models? My budget could not go to the newer 180 mile model at the moment.I only do 6000 miles a year at the moment.
You can’t buy a 2nd lease zoe battery outright ignore the rumour mills. You can however buy a new zoe with battery owned or buy a zoe “i” model which is a battery owned model there about £5000 more than the lease model so work that into your pricing if your only going 6000 miles a year
so base line , if i dont pay that lise , i just trow my money off the window , no lise no car . to convert a car from petrol to electric , £3000 - £5000 and some labor , so practically this its a bag o rubbish
+Ray Lucyan if you don’t wanna pay the lease you can buy an I model which is around £6k more
sSo what I don't get is if a battery costs 3000 pounds roughly then why such a large lease fee? I may as well put the money into a saving account for when the time comes to replace it. Which, incidentally, seems to be an unknown length of time as far as I know. I don't think I would get one if that does not go down
Hi John I’ve done other videos on this in more detail subscribe and check out the others,
However in brief it’s around £4000-£5000 for an I model also if the battery failed it would include buying the battery and fitting it this cost would more than likely come to £9000 as parts are more expensive if you buy them than if included if that makes sense, you lease also includes unlimited breakdown cover even if you run out of charge
Thanks for the reply very useful to know this. Can you help me with another issue? I have heard that the new battery (40KW) can be installed in the older battery Zoe's. Do you know if this would be part of a lease system?
It can be but of course there’s a charge and no date been set for UK yet
Very informative, thanks
You just being deceived why would you pay 110 pounds battery rental costs plus + the cost of a vehicle ???
£7000 in battery costs alone , are you kidding me ???
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I called a Zoe Seller and I've been informed the price of the battery is not shown in adverts !!!
you might see a Zoe for £6900 they fail to display + £7000 battery costs
Nice video. I agree with what you say. However my view is a cost is still a cost you can dress it up anyway you want. I see what Renault are trying to do. But they should have just made it a simple 50€ a month what ever the mileage for normal public users, make a fair average where you win a few , you lose a few. If it's a company car they can easily afford the 120€ a month un limited mileage charge. The bigger issue which is a real one. If you have a heart attack (God forbid!) and are sitting at home with your feet up. Mr Renault will still charge you 120€ a month and your not even driving it but you are being penalised. For being green!! With petrol, same scenario you pay zero! That's the unfair part. I live in France and flexibility does not exist in their vocabulary. Maybe in the uk it's done more logically. ( another word not in their vocabulary).
if they set a medium price then people doing much lower mileage would be paying more based on mileage is a fairer system they worked out that with charging and lease cost that the COST per mile is still cheaper than using a fossil car this makes it fair for all. You can take the lowest package and then pay 8p per mile you go over which is the same as going on the next package anyway. I understand what your saying about being ill but same applies if you brought the car with the battery it would be losing money while not being used.
I agree with you, the battery lease means a lot more than just replacing petrol prices. the Zoe is a great car and I'm considering the lease option. Your analysis of renewable energy is massively flawed. The more intermittent renewable energy will increase volatility of electricity availability, utility scale power storage does not exist, and backup costs will more than double the cost of renewables. Noone ever considers this. and the price of electricity must go up. The price of cheap electricity ended 10 years ago. If your analysis is to consider all the factors, you must consider all the factors associated with your future power sources.
Paul am sorry but your wrong, Utility battery scale power does currently exist, South Australia -tesla unit, and some power firms and car firms are trailing "car battery storage" plus if every home is fitted with batteries this will then be controlled by the grid using smart meters. Lookup Orkney where new houses now have to be built with batteries which are controlled by the grid, plenty of this going on prices will fall in electricity but I don't mean fall as in price goes down I mean more that they won't go up with inflation, as the grid stables out the night time charging and everything is on the same plane of use this will make prices fall for a short period.
These are isolated installations. Renewable energy remains highly intermittent and you if every home were fitted with smart meters and storage, we'll end up losing control of our power as the smart system draws from your storage. Plus I calculate that a single storage battery will be depleted if I switch my oven on for just 20 minutes. 5 of those will be for preheating leaving 15 minutes of power left. At the scale that I need it, storage does not exist affordably. And remember, my oven needs to draw load alongside my lighting circuit, my EV car, cooking hob, TV, set top box, laptops. it's the end of cheap power unless there's a solution beyond solar and wind. but the current belief that we're going to decarbonise at less cost than today is a fallacy.
+Paul B not really isolated there just first few testing grounds the big water dam in Wales is almost like a battery storage it uses cheap electricity off peak and drains at high peak, Tesla plan to go huge in grid storage this year and there’s also some firms working of new battery types just for grid storage this isn’t going to happen over night but we will see less and less carbon and then non, however unlike other people i do think we will need to keep nuclear power for some time but I advise you to google and watch some videos on TH-cam about grid storage and v2g storage
My issue with Zoe is the deceiving & misleading price on none Zoe I models.
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You see a 6k price Zoe when in reality you will be making additional payments which you didn't foreseen or end up being more expensive than the car itself
The cost is made clear from the start, as i mentioned previously your paying for breakdown and a warranty of you don’t feel that paying that cost for peace of mind is worth it then the “I” model gives you the option to buy the car without lease however the battery is only under cover for 5 years and can’t be extended, new battery with fitting would be £9000