No one cares about Wonder Woman's extended family bc DC doesn't push them. Then when they do, comic book fans who are always asking for projects about other characters and for DC to do more with WW, they say "Who asked for this?" Love yall two but that complaint about Paradise Lost has been so annoying to me since Gunn's announcement
To be fair, I think the problem is MOST of the movies coming out first are like ‘okay, you know these characters, time to do something interesting.’ Superman’s first, and while still his first movie, he’s being brought in alongside a JLI-esque League, Krypto and more. Batman’s premiere movie will also be with Damian, his son and technically 4th Robin, though it’s unclear how many there may be in this continuity. So it’s not hard to believe that a Wonder Woman esque story would be based more around the Amazons in general, considering the last continuity had Wonder Woman and WW84
@@CanopiedwithBowers i get that but I as a wonder woman fan, the pitfalls most creators fall into is because the Amazons aren't prioritized enough. We all know a WW movie will come eventually. Deciding to actually establish the Amazons first is better for the WW character as a whole, at least imo
I don't like the idea of a Themyscira show over 5000 years ago. Maybe 1 from after Diana left to join the land of men, but not before she was born. She at least needs to be referenced
@@brettthebest3978 depending on the universe... She's between 2000 and 5000 years old. Too far removed. The best thing they could do is just have an early teen version of her at least so that she's there and in the series prominently. But isn't the character that we will get to know
I mean, Gunn has repeatedly said they wont move forward with a project till he deems the script worthy of a budget and thats why Supergirl is the second DCU movie when it wasn't planned to as first cause the script turned out great to him. And this is not the case for the other announced DCU movies other than Clayface (which is why its the third slated DCU movie). Nightwing and Red Hood etc could also be in development behind the scenes but till their scrips are ready, their projects wont be greenlit. Also, the first and last Supergirl movie was in the 80s so I dont see how "they keep doing it". If her show counts, then Nightwing and Red Hood were also just on Titans and have had multiple animated appearances
Correct... Script is what matters to Gunn which I love. Also, unfortunately he's been very busy with Superman and now is editing peacemaker s2 so he probably can't work on more scripts himself. Clayface is such a big surprise though
@@godfr012 Gunn isn't writing ALL of the DCU movies/TV shows. Everything he stated in his 5 minute speech is in process. But the DCU isn't trying to "build" to an event JL film. Some folks need to stop accepting Marvel's method as the ONLY way to go. There may not be any kind of JL film to resolve Gods and Monsters. I'd rather have a Worlds Finest movie first.
@@kenjisparks who brought up justice league? We're only saying he's focused on scripts first and that's why projects will come out when they come out. He's not writing all of the scripts, but he is approving them all
Pattinson should be in the DCU. No he’s not too grounded. Batman year one was a major influence for the Batman and that Batman is about the same level of capability as Pattinson and yet it’s also the same version who’s on the justice league and encounters darkseid. Saying the Batman is too grounded is like saying a third of Batman’s history can’t coexist with the rest. Plus Pattinson wants to do fantastical Batman. He said that repeatedly in interviews and he doesn’t need to be limited by reeves’ approach. He’ll also be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out and there’s plenty of room for him to have a bat family. Btab could be scrapped and we do the bat family down the road. Batman and Superman should be peers. Batman should not be substantially older than Superman.
@@Tea_Time_480 exactly! his amour survived a shot gun blast and a bomb to the face, thats some fantastical level of tech, easy way in DCU for Battinson.
@Tea_Time_480 In Year One Batman nearly dies to a child prostitute and a teenager with a tv. The idea that a grounded batman is unable to work in a larger universe was never convincing to me
You nailed it exactly. The previous iteration of Superman, and in no fault from the directors vision, lost that ideology and imagery of Hope. Now I’m not completely sold on the trailer, and that suit is not one of myfavorite, but gun has definitely Got me interested in the inclusion of Krypto, and the feeling of what Superman represents. I watched this episode for the first time, and based on your emotions for the character, and overall knowledge of Film, I subscribed! Well done.
I don’t think a world’s finest would be a good idea just yet because it would be the same move Snyder did. I think whoever the new Batman is deserves a standalone movie to set the tone for the character and hopefully establish where he and his bat family are.
@@jesusisgoat8656 honestly it might even do the characters justice to do it as a tv show. That way there’s plenty of room to explore the bat family and his extensive rogues gallery. That might also help with staying clear of Matt Reeves/Robert Pattinsons Batman stories.
7:07 respectfully, those characters add nothing to Hulk. There’s so much explored in the Peter David run, as well as others that goes just beyond “smashing”. Hulk isn’t just a brute, it’s a story about trauma and overcoming it. There’s a reason there are so many Hulk fans beyond him being a Titan.
I watched part of that interview with Andy Muschieti its in Spanish and it really seemed a lot of "stuff" was out of his hands in regards to the flash said he couldnt talk about the George clooney bit at the end
"DJ thanks for being here" Me: "what? I thought this was like an hour long" *checks timecode* "WHAT??" I could listen to y'all talk about whatever for forever lmao
I think Gunn’s Superman is very likely to hit 1 billion as long as the film lives up to the hype. The comics Gunn has mentioned that have inspired the film are All Star Superman and Superman: For All Seasons and those are my favourite Superman comics so I have faith. I just want a Superman who is hopeful in a world which leads with pessimism. Being an optimist in a world of pessimists is enough to make you feel like an alien today anyway. Add to that the relationship with Lois and Jimmy, the moment with the girl on the rooftop which they could recreate in this film and I think there is something really special here. I loved the trailer, I felt the kiss they did was more powerful then the hug they used as the last shot so I would’ve swapped those around but other then that I think it’s perfect. The MCU is in a messy state. So many projects with so much history that it would be difficult to follow for a new viewer. But they still have massive projects like Spider-Man 4, Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars. My hope for the DCU is they don’t go as far as Snyder went in terms of making these characters feel like gods. The best take I heard on the difference between DC and Marvel is that Marvel is relatable and DC is inspirational. Whilst I think both sides show those two things I think at the core I agree with that statement because of course Spider-Man is inspirational and Clark Kent, a man trying to do good but feels like an outsider trying to fit in is a relatable story.
The biggest thing going against Superman is that Marvel is trying to fade if with their fantastic four movie. Their release dates are so close that it’s making me fear both will suffer
Superman won’t make $1 billion because Jurassic World: Rebirth comes out 9 days earlier and then Fantastic Four 2 weeks later. Every Jurassic World movie has made $1 billion and the franchise does very well worldwide.
I think a reason they are hesitant to bring in patterson is the robins situation. Having damian ages batman and gives years for batman to have other robins so we can get a nightwing movie and a red hood movie.
Matt reeves seems to be a producer/resource on any Batman project. He’s also listed as a producer on the Dynamic Duo movie. Which he should be. He gets the character more than any director we’ve had. All respect to Nolan.
Pattinson will be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out. And Batman and Superman should be peers. Nightwing should not be in a closer age range to Superman than Batman is.
@Tea_Time_480 Bruce is not gonna be 41 in Batman 2. It's not about the actor. It's about the character fitting into the universe and what we've already been told is happening.
@ and yet, his Batman is supposed to be 28 in the first one and Batman 2 is supposed to take place not long after 1. And brave and the bold isn’t technically even green lit according to Gunn. They don’t even have a writer. It could be scrapped and there’s still plenty of room for Pattinson to have a bat family. And by the time they make a third one, his in universe age will catch up to his actual age.
@Tea_Time_480 so you want Batman to have had 2 Robins and a kid in like 6 years? That's not even enough time to have a 12 year old Damien. It doesn't fit and your trying to cope with having an Elseworld instead of your shitty idea.
@ I’m sorry if wanting Batman and Superman to be actual peers in film like they’re supposed to be and not wanting a substantially older one for longevity’s sake is such a terrible idea to you. And time jump plus retconning things happening off screen could account for all that. The age range you want Batman to be would mean he wouldn’t be sticking around in the DCU for very long. Sorry if I don’t want a Batman that’s dark knight returns age as the main one.
I 1000% agree that The Batman should be folded into the main movie universe. 1.) Brand confusion. You already have 2 recent different film takes on the Batman world going on between The Batman and Joker films. Why throw in a 3rd different Batman to confuse the average movie goer. 2.) I dont get "The Batman is too realistic" arugment. Because I saw the Pattinson world as a combination of Burton/Schumacher movies mixed in with the world of the Nolan Dark Knight trilogy. It's gritty and real, but with a slight fictional edge to it. 3.) The Batman kinda ends with a more positive "superhero" Batman. He's starts all grimdark. But in the end, the sun is coming up, and he's still out there rescuing kids and attending to the injured. That's a Batman who I can see fit into this universe really well if handled right.
17:03 Maybe to make The Batman part of the DCU they can have Superman cameo at the end of the clay face movie to try and take care of him and Battinson can pop up and tell him ‘Gotham is his issue, don’t worry about it.’ That could quickly explain why The Batman movies are so different from the rest of the DCU
Excited for Superman, I like DJ's idea for bringing Pattinson in with the time jump I just don't know how well they could make him look bigger and older if they did a 20 yr time jump
Love this video. It would be cool to get you and DJ doing an ongoing series on the DCU as it develops. Would be cool to see your pitches for how to integrate The Batman into this universe. Additionally it woild be cool to see you pitch possible future DCU phases post Gods & Monsters.
Oh wow what a blast to the past for me, I used to watch DJ on Sourcefed Nerd? I think it was called? YEARS ago like I was probably 12 and now I graduate college in 4 months 🤯 great to see him again!!!
I'm going to say yes. No movie that became the top 5 highest viewed trailer of all time failed to hit a Billion in the Box Office. So I think Superman is going to be successful this year. Now we have 3 MCU movies coming out this year. Captain America 4 people are cautioned about because of the number of reshoots. Thunderbolts seems to be okay, but no one is overwhelming excited about it. The only MCU Film that might make it big this year is Fantastic Four, and depending on the reception of that first trailer, we can gauge if people are more excited about it than Superman.
@@GutsTheCaptain Are you talking about Superman? Gunn said that there are no reshoots for Superman. Now if you're talking about Captain America 4, yes there have been a lot of reshoots for that movie.
I really think Gunn wants The Batman in the DCU for one major reason - the cast. There's no way they want to cast a new Penguin or Catwoman or Riddler after that. That cast is so freaking good that anyone running concurrent to them will feel lesser. As for Superman, I think my excitement comes mostly from the fact that this is the first time EVER that a Superman movie is taking its main inspiration from actual Superman comics. The Christopher Reeve movies, while fun, really paid no mind to the books of the time. Bryan Singer ignored literally everything but the first two Reeve movies despite Superman being a vastly different character in the comics by that point, and Zack Snyder took a lot of ideas from Byrne's run but warped them into joyless dreck. This upcoming film actually feels like a celebration of great Superman comics.
so hoping superman can bring back that golden age of super hero content like in 2019. I joined youtube in 2020 so I never got to be apart of that real golden age of comicbook content
I don't think Pattinson's Bat will work in the DCU because half the appeal is that he's an entirely homebrewed batman who's only in year 2. You're gonna have to do a lot of legwork to make it believable that he's now had at least two sidekicks, a murderous 10 year old son, and is now capable of fighting parademons.
Thats been my arguement, we know nighwing and red hood are getting their own thing and he's got damien and Gunn likes tim so there's no way he hasn't had each robin
@BlueCheeseLucci it's literally a robin a year except for one year where one was dead, and he'd have to have met had a falling out met again leaving Talia pregnant between a year and 5 years before the batman for damiens age to make sense being between 6 and 10
43:36 I think the reason Supergirl is getting a shot is becuase James Gunn loves the original run of that comic. He tweeted and posted on instagram praising the series a little while before he took over DC.
The Flash was absolutely well directed. There’s several things that movie does really well. If it wasn’t for Ezra being in trouble and the troubling CGI, it would have performed well.
33:54. Is Sal talking about Jensen Ackles? I know he was up for Captain America, but he couldn’t because of conflicting shoot dates for Supernatural, or is he talking about the guy who played Bullseye in the Netflix Daredevil series? Cause I saw a clip with the Netflix actor from a comic con a few days ago where he talked about how he was up for Cap
Seeing mark ruffalo fight against Leader would be cool, that is absolutely not in dispute. I think the only problem is that from Marvel’s perspective, if they approached that epic battle that all Hulk fans have probably wanted to see for the last 50 years, they’re really not going to get that now because we’re still in the current “Smart Hulk” incarnation when it comes to his character and it hardly feels like there are any real stakes or pathos in this kind of Hulk vs Leader fight because Bruce Banner is smarter than Samuel Sterns. If this were reversed and it was Savage Hulk vs the Leader than now we have a movie. EDIT: Also hear me out: when it comes to Clayface, is it just me or is there the potential for his character to be inducted into the membership of the Flash’s Rogues? Because I feel like he’s fit in just fine.
It may not hit a Billion Dollars or be Better than the best movies in the world but, I think it will be a movie talked about for a long time and will make history! I hope ;)
3:47 that's what i did! And it was glorious! (Except for the fact i got a weirdly censored hulk version where the fight at the end was almost completely cut ...)
Idk if yall don't realize Gunn is allowing all the speculation to go own because its.........simply free press. More dc talk the better for him. I dont care if I get 2 batman's at the same time. I red comics. I'm used to it. We should be cheering on him staying elseworlds. Everybody wants Gunn to abandon the Elseworlds but that is just such a bad idea. We need more of everyone else. Batman can wait. Spoiled lol
If The Batman took place further in the past it would be easier to integrate it with the DCU but if they want to do Teen Titans, et al, anytime soon it's gonna be trickier to use Battinson
Pattinson should absolutely not be in DCU. I love Pattinson, but he deserves to hold his own universe. Especially since James Gunn wants an older Batman that Pattinson doesn’t fit.
I think it is important to take into consideration that DC is basically promise that they are giving director/creator freedom to do their project in DC once approved. The Batman is one of the first Elseworld, and for sure the "Hey, wanna join DCU or do a cameo in the future" conversation will come out, but this really just depends on Reeves' dicision
Reeves has already said those conversations have/are currently happening. His brief interview where he talked about it very much read like he’s strongly against it, but that things might be completely out of his control after TB2
There is a really good nugget in here about DC/Warner kinda rushing into things. Like, I really didn’t like what Sony was doing, but to their credit they weren’t throwing 12 projects against a wall and calling it a timeline. Phase 1 Marvel was like 6 movies, and two of them were Iron Man. Not to mention Agents of Shield post-Avengers, but that was only one show. I think studios doing cinematic universes need to be comfortable with taking slow steps.
Are the walls slowly crumbling between the DCU and what Matt Reeves has been doing with The Batman? On the one hand, I don't know how you square some of the circles from The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker being pulled in from before with The Batman firmly taking place in 2022 with The Penguin, but on the other, if it can be part of the universe and still remain its own thing without some other big event screwing things up, I'm down. One of my biggest problems with the MCU is that there really isn't a trilogy of movies that isn't interrupted with an Avengers movie or some other team up crossover. While having an interconnected universe is nice, I'd also like to see the character progress within their own stories and not have something big event come over and progress them beyond a point and now you have to watch 20 other things. While I will watch everything and I'll never truly know how well a trilogy following characters like Thor, Captian America, or even Ant-Man work without Avengers and Civil Wars coming in and taking some of that thunder, it would be nice to be able to do such a thing with Batman and Superman and other DC characters in the DCU. Big world events happen in the crossover pieces, big character story moments happen within their own movies. Maybe this isn't really possible within the given medium of film, but if someone were to want to watch stories featuring a single character and it be a narratively satisfying arc, hopefully it doesn't involve 20 movies to do so.
I'm really hoping Superman does well. We got the comics back on track. There's a very good cartoon out. Superman & Lois just wrapped a great series. All that's left is the film.
Regarding the batman talk, i think Gunn wanted to invlude Pattinson in it, but when Reeves told him he wanted to do his own thing, Gunn was left in a position where he had to make the DCU batman different. Hence, Damian, who im not a fan of, but if you already have a year 2 batman going on in an elseworlds project, to make sure yours stands out, you need an older batman. Realistically, his only other options would be to either CW it with Batwoman, or adapt the future state next batman arc. And before someone brings up batman beyond, yes i want a batman beyond arc, but not as the main DCU batman. The only real issue with going with Damian is Jon should be there too, which feels a little rushed for a new DC universe, which is why I would prefer Cassandra Cain. Still optimistic, but curious how it will all play out. Spider-man works because the MCU focuses on Peter while Sony has Miles for the Spiderverse stuff
I want a Tim Drake GCPD story i see him as the eventual heir to Gordon! As for the movies just give a superman that smiles and has the time to help someone with what seems as the tiniest problem and I'm sold.
Im just a litle worried treating the movies like comics, different tones, different universes, etc wont work for the general movie going audiences. I absolutely want it to! It will be awesome if it does but man thats asking alot for the general public. I hope it works.
Last comment....hear me out what if superman is like this big flashy movie that gets everyone like general audiences hooked and then when the batman movie comes out its like this big expansive globe spanning movie that takes you through the dc universe through the eyes of a robin whos meeting everyone for the first time that'll get everyone hooked in the dc universe for whatever comes after
@@comicpopreturns please call in a favour with tom and get james , i think as opposed to alot of interviews online you guys have the best knowledge about the topic ergo can ask the perfect question rather than the rinse and repeat ones by ign and all those companies
Nothing happened and it's sort of strange that you jumped there. DJ works with Sal and some of his own projects and Sal wanted to bring him in on Returns for a show. The only mainstays on this channel are Sal and myself, Ben and Ethan aren't even on here all the time.
I think I was unsustainable levels of hyped for the movie and the teaser trailer brought me down to just being simply excited. There’s still 7 months to go so I’m not worried for the movie, but in the teaser a lot of the CGI and effects looked very bad to me. I trust Gunn overall to give us the best Superman movie we’ve had. I think it will for sure make over 1 billion at the box office. In a way, not having a solo Superman movie for 12 years really helped them in terms of hype and marketing. I’ll be there opening night.
Just remember that these are early special effects, and Gunn has been assuring everyone that he’ll give the effects studios the time they need. In contrast, I think that the trailer effects will be the final product for the FF movie.
@@CharZy-y8v Yup. That's why I said I'm not really worried since there's still 7 months left until the movie releases, and he gave over a year for the VFX department.
So what if it is Dick Grayson and Damian as Batman and Robin. I swore we were also getting a "Dynamic Duo" animated film in this universe with Nightwing and Red Hood... Maybe that is a secret Battle for the Cowl type film. We also know from Creature Commandos, that Batman was out of Gotham long enough for Dr. Phosphorous to kill Rupert Thorn and take over his empire. Anyways, so yea I am hoping for a Dick Grayson and Damian as Batman and Robin in Brave and Bold. Happy smiling Batman with dark grim Robin. It would give us a decent contrast to "The Batman".... Eventually have Bruce does come back---Guy Gardner saying he is the one in charge now and Batman punches him and knocks him out in one punch...
I actually hear more people say the first season of the flash show was just as bad or worse than some of the later stuff. Me personally, Ik the whole thing wucked from the beginning with Arrow but I just enjoyed it for fun schlock.
I think fans are a lot more forgiving of the DCU than Marvel. When Marvel was peak fans were rooting for DCEU cuz it was under dog or Schnyder fans and under each ownership fans kept rooting for it to make a come back while Marvel was woke or too far from original source and waiting for it to fail. Now that Marvel is bad, fans are rooting for DCU even more and leaning more heavy on previous Marvel complaints.
i love Pattinson and Reeves' Batman but i really do not want him to be the DCU's Batman. weve seen this grounded take on Batman with no Robin or Batfamily plenty, and as much as i love Nolan and Reeves' versions, i just want to see a Batman movie that actually feels like the modern comic book version at least once lol
I can honestly say that while I certainly enjoyed the MCU films whenever I saw one, I was never able to be excited about them. They were sort of... meh.
49:49 please please please please let me get a good Constantine. Just once I want to see my favorite comics character get a proper film adaptation (sorry to yall that like it but Keanu Reeves ain’t my Constantine)
I’m concerned about so many heroes in Superman. I think it’s on the movie to show why a world with so many heroes still needs a Superman, and vice versa.
I feel MCU is sort of on the decline and DCU is gonna come in strong. It kinda makes sense as the DCEU came in during MCU’s heyday and was usually pretty bad. It’s the seesaw effect.
@ Deadpool & Wolverine made a billion but before that, they had a lot of duds: Marvels, Eternals, Love & Thunder, etc. Cap 4 seems to be geared for a flop as well since it has little hype, has had a ton of reshoots, and reportedly has had a lot of bad screenings. MCU’s last big movie was No Way Home which, like Deadpool, relied on nostalgia for pre-MCU movies, which is a bad sign. As for their last animated show, the third season of What If didn’t really impress too many people. I tried to check it out but the plot synopsis were terrible. What was the last live action show? Agatha? That seemed to come and go without a lot of buzz.
@Aaron-zt5ee love and thunder made 768 milliom. Doctor strange 2 made 955 million, wakanda forever made 859 million , shang-chi made 432 million, which is good for a niche character. Guardians vol 3 made 845 million. Cap 4 actually has hype and the trailers have been positvely recived. As far as we know its only been 3 weeks of reshoots in may which is less than what doctor strange 2. Cap 4 was ranked high in fandangos anticipated movies for this year. Test screenings arent always reliable. I mean the flash had amazing test screenings but look how that movie turned. There also rumors that superman didnt have great test screenings. Im 2024 joker 2 failed and in 2023 all the dc films failed at the box office. Not every mcu movie needs to make over a billion , thats not how it was pre-endgame. Aniamtion im talking about x-men 97 which was universally praised. Agatha all along was well received by fans and critics and kathryn got a golden globe nomination. You know what recently left with not as much buzz, creature commandos.
Or you could scrap brave and the bold and kick that can down the road. Pattinson will be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out. There’s plenty of time and room for him to have a bat family.
Well Jason Momoa in Supergirl is a marketing point but that will gain more Female audiences for the movie right if Supergirl is a tough sell? You'll be cheering for Supergirl and thirsting for lobo ?! I thnk there was an articlewhen the first aquaman movie did numbers cause Female audience went to see Aquaman because it had Momoa in the role. Also It has the director of I, Tonya so I thnk he can balance out what needs to be in the story.
I hope we get a Superman film that’s soundtrack is entirely songs with ‘Superman’ in the title. There’s like 50 and they’re all bangers Some standouts include ‘I’m no Superman’ ‘suburban Superman’ ‘that’s really super supergirl’ etc. they’re all equally good
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No one cares about Wonder Woman's extended family bc DC doesn't push them. Then when they do, comic book fans who are always asking for projects about other characters and for DC to do more with WW, they say "Who asked for this?" Love yall two but that complaint about Paradise Lost has been so annoying to me since Gunn's announcement
I ain’t get to that part of the convo yet, but I feel if the shoe had Wonder Woman in it, people would be more excited, atleast I would
They're not against the idea. They just want them to begin with Wonder Woman individually, which is fair.
To be fair, I think the problem is MOST of the movies coming out first are like ‘okay, you know these characters, time to do something interesting.’ Superman’s first, and while still his first movie, he’s being brought in alongside a JLI-esque League, Krypto and more. Batman’s premiere movie will also be with Damian, his son and technically 4th Robin, though it’s unclear how many there may be in this continuity. So it’s not hard to believe that a Wonder Woman esque story would be based more around the Amazons in general, considering the last continuity had Wonder Woman and WW84
@@CanopiedwithBowers i get that but I as a wonder woman fan, the pitfalls most creators fall into is because the Amazons aren't prioritized enough. We all know a WW movie will come eventually. Deciding to actually establish the Amazons first is better for the WW character as a whole, at least imo
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I truly don't care whether it tops the MCU. I just want to enjoy this movie.
As long as it's good I'll be happy
Same.
I actually love the idea of a Themyscira show
I think showing the magical and mythical side of Dc is pretty good
Hopefully we get Greek monsters like Minotaurs and Medusa.
I don't like the idea of a Themyscira show over 5000 years ago. Maybe 1 from after Diana left to join the land of men, but not before she was born. She at least needs to be referenced
@@godfr012 hmm well im pretty sure its a prequel then it end with the birth of Diana
Alist that’s what I think
@@brettthebest3978 depending on the universe... She's between 2000 and 5000 years old. Too far removed. The best thing they could do is just have an early teen version of her at least so that she's there and in the series prominently. But isn't the character that we will get to know
@@brettthebest3978 I've gone back to hear the pitch for the show. Game of thrones with hot women?.... I'm in
I mean, Gunn has repeatedly said they wont move forward with a project till he deems the script worthy of a budget and thats why Supergirl is the second DCU movie when it wasn't planned to as first cause the script turned out great to him. And this is not the case for the other announced DCU movies other than Clayface (which is why its the third slated DCU movie). Nightwing and Red Hood etc could also be in development behind the scenes but till their scrips are ready, their projects wont be greenlit. Also, the first and last Supergirl movie was in the 80s so I dont see how "they keep doing it". If her show counts, then Nightwing and Red Hood were also just on Titans and have had multiple animated appearances
Correct... Script is what matters to Gunn which I love. Also, unfortunately he's been very busy with Superman and now is editing peacemaker s2 so he probably can't work on more scripts himself. Clayface is such a big surprise though
@@godfr012 Gunn isn't writing ALL of the DCU movies/TV shows. Everything he stated in his 5 minute speech is in process. But the DCU isn't trying to "build" to an event JL film. Some folks need to stop accepting Marvel's method as the ONLY way to go. There may not be any kind of JL film to resolve Gods and Monsters. I'd rather have a Worlds Finest movie first.
@@kenjisparks who brought up justice league? We're only saying he's focused on scripts first and that's why projects will come out when they come out. He's not writing all of the scripts, but he is approving them all
Please please more of this!
I’m 100% here for more content of fellow nerds just shootin the shit. Gives me an outlet for it lmao
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Pattinson should be in the DCU. No he’s not too grounded. Batman year one was a major influence for the Batman and that Batman is about the same level of capability as Pattinson and yet it’s also the same version who’s on the justice league and encounters darkseid. Saying the Batman is too grounded is like saying a third of Batman’s history can’t coexist with the rest. Plus Pattinson wants to do fantastical Batman. He said that repeatedly in interviews and he doesn’t need to be limited by reeves’ approach. He’ll also be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out and there’s plenty of room for him to have a bat family. Btab could be scrapped and we do the bat family down the road. Batman and Superman should be peers. Batman should not be substantially older than Superman.
@@Tea_Time_480 exactly! his amour survived a shot gun blast and a bomb to the face, thats some fantastical level of tech, easy way in DCU for Battinson.
@Tea_Time_480 In Year One Batman nearly dies to a child prostitute and a teenager with a tv. The idea that a grounded batman is unable to work in a larger universe was never convincing to me
You nailed it exactly. The previous iteration of Superman, and in no fault from the directors vision, lost that ideology and imagery of Hope. Now I’m not completely sold on the trailer, and that suit is not one of myfavorite, but gun has definitely Got me interested in the inclusion of Krypto, and the feeling of what Superman represents. I watched this episode for the first time, and based on your emotions for the character, and overall knowledge of Film, I subscribed! Well done.
More of this please!! Comic pop returns is underrated
I don’t think a world’s finest would be a good idea just yet because it would be the same move Snyder did. I think whoever the new Batman is deserves a standalone movie to set the tone for the character and hopefully establish where he and his bat family are.
@@keeghanbrewer2777 Good point.
@@jesusisgoat8656 honestly it might even do the characters justice to do it as a tv show. That way there’s plenty of room to explore the bat family and his extensive rogues gallery. That might also help with staying clear of Matt Reeves/Robert Pattinsons Batman stories.
This was great, hopefully we can get another episode of the two of you again! The tangents were interesting and fun to listen to!
7:07 respectfully, those characters add nothing to Hulk. There’s so much explored in the Peter David run, as well as others that goes just beyond “smashing”. Hulk isn’t just a brute, it’s a story about trauma and overcoming it. There’s a reason there are so many Hulk fans beyond him being a Titan.
I watched part of that interview with Andy Muschieti its in Spanish and it really seemed a lot of "stuff" was out of his hands in regards to the flash said he couldnt talk about the George clooney bit at the end
"DJ thanks for being here"
Me: "what? I thought this was like an hour long" *checks timecode* "WHAT??"
I could listen to y'all talk about whatever for forever lmao
Let the content flow like a stream of consciousnesses...when you both know your stuff, you are mining gold.
More Sal and DJ content is always great, thanks guys. 🙏🏽 love movie talk.
DJ! From my favorite show SlashPics!
Sal & DJ is very quickly becoming one of my favorite TH-cam duos
I think Gunn’s Superman is very likely to hit 1 billion as long as the film lives up to the hype.
The comics Gunn has mentioned that have inspired the film are All Star Superman and Superman: For All Seasons and those are my favourite Superman comics so I have faith.
I just want a Superman who is hopeful in a world which leads with pessimism. Being an optimist in a world of pessimists is enough to make you feel like an alien today anyway.
Add to that the relationship with Lois and Jimmy, the moment with the girl on the rooftop which they could recreate in this film and I think there is something really special here.
I loved the trailer, I felt the kiss they did was more powerful then the hug they used as the last shot so I would’ve swapped those around but other then that I think it’s perfect.
The MCU is in a messy state. So many projects with so much history that it would be difficult to follow for a new viewer. But they still have massive projects like Spider-Man 4, Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars.
My hope for the DCU is they don’t go as far as Snyder went in terms of making these characters feel like gods. The best take I heard on the difference between DC and Marvel is that Marvel is relatable and DC is inspirational. Whilst I think both sides show those two things I think at the core I agree with that statement because of course Spider-Man is inspirational and Clark Kent, a man trying to do good but feels like an outsider trying to fit in is a relatable story.
The biggest thing going against Superman is that Marvel is trying to fade if with their fantastic four movie. Their release dates are so close that it’s making me fear both will suffer
@@SavedAndConfused theres slso jurassic world rebirth coming a week before superman.
Superman won’t make $1 billion because Jurassic World: Rebirth comes out 9 days earlier and then Fantastic Four 2 weeks later. Every Jurassic World movie has made $1 billion and the franchise does very well worldwide.
@@DanV150Even without those, I don’t see Superman hitting $1bil.
@@famousthaneus9810 I don’t either, but it doesn’t have to do that well provided the production budget is not astronomically high.
Here’s the cycle of how I think about James Gunn’s Superman:
1. Joy
2. Fear
3. Joy Again
4. Fear again
5. Hope
And then it repeats.
Love more of these podcasts!
My 2 favorite comic book TH-cam people. Much love!
I think a reason they are hesitant to bring in patterson is the robins situation. Having damian ages batman and gives years for batman to have other robins so we can get a nightwing movie and a red hood movie.
Matt reeves seems to be a producer/resource on any Batman project. He’s also listed as a producer on the Dynamic Duo movie. Which he should be. He gets the character more than any director we’ve had. All respect to Nolan.
Well this is a surprise! the latest and greatest (and my personal favorite) comic book duo!
The devil vinyl is such a good episode I also was so ready for a season 2 appearance from Jim coragan as the full spectre
I never clicked on a video so fast lol so hype to hear what you guys have to say . Much love guys and happy new year 😊
Battinson should stay in his own universe and the DCU should have a seperate Batman who's old enough to have Damien
Pattinson will be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out. And Batman and Superman should be peers. Nightwing should not be in a closer age range to Superman than Batman is.
@Tea_Time_480 Bruce is not gonna be 41 in Batman 2. It's not about the actor. It's about the character fitting into the universe and what we've already been told is happening.
@ and yet, his Batman is supposed to be 28 in the first one and Batman 2 is supposed to take place not long after 1. And brave and the bold isn’t technically even green lit according to Gunn. They don’t even have a writer. It could be scrapped and there’s still plenty of room for Pattinson to have a bat family. And by the time they make a third one, his in universe age will catch up to his actual age.
@Tea_Time_480 so you want Batman to have had 2 Robins and a kid in like 6 years? That's not even enough time to have a 12 year old Damien. It doesn't fit and your trying to cope with having an Elseworld instead of your shitty idea.
@ I’m sorry if wanting Batman and Superman to be actual peers in film like they’re supposed to be and not wanting a substantially older one for longevity’s sake is such a terrible idea to you. And time jump plus retconning things happening off screen could account for all that. The age range you want Batman to be would mean he wouldn’t be sticking around in the DCU for very long. Sorry if I don’t want a Batman that’s dark knight returns age as the main one.
I 1000% agree that The Batman should be folded into the main movie universe.
1.) Brand confusion. You already have 2 recent different film takes on the Batman world going on between The Batman and Joker films. Why throw in a 3rd different Batman to confuse the average movie goer.
2.) I dont get "The Batman is too realistic" arugment. Because I saw the Pattinson world as a combination of Burton/Schumacher movies mixed in with the world of the Nolan Dark Knight trilogy. It's gritty and real, but with a slight fictional edge to it.
3.) The Batman kinda ends with a more positive "superhero" Batman. He's starts all grimdark. But in the end, the sun is coming up, and he's still out there rescuing kids and attending to the injured. That's a Batman who I can see fit into this universe really well if handled right.
17:03 Maybe to make The Batman part of the DCU they can have Superman cameo at the end of the clay face movie to try and take care of him and Battinson can pop up and tell him ‘Gotham is his issue, don’t worry about it.’ That could quickly explain why The Batman movies are so different from the rest of the DCU
Excited for Superman, I like DJ's idea for bringing Pattinson in with the time jump I just don't know how well they could make him look bigger and older if they did a 20 yr time jump
That surfing hellbeast in Justice League just said Lobo to me.
Love this video. It would be cool to get you and DJ doing an ongoing series on the DCU as it develops. Would be cool to see your pitches for how to integrate The Batman into this universe. Additionally it woild be cool to see you pitch possible future DCU phases post Gods & Monsters.
Love this team up!!! Superman is gonna be great!!!
Oh wow what a blast to the past for me, I used to watch DJ on Sourcefed Nerd? I think it was called? YEARS ago like I was probably 12 and now I graduate college in 4 months 🤯 great to see him again!!!
I gotta disagree hal isnt boring. He is the face of the gl franchise and his conflict with sinestro is great.
Its so weird to see you guys on the opposite sides of the screen xD
I love the Hulk. Planet Hulk and Immortal Hulk are the best Hulk stiries and Marvel will never make them.
I'm going to say yes. No movie that became the top 5 highest viewed trailer of all time failed to hit a Billion in the Box Office. So I think Superman is going to be successful this year.
Now we have 3 MCU movies coming out this year. Captain America 4 people are cautioned about because of the number of reshoots. Thunderbolts seems to be okay, but no one is overwhelming excited about it. The only MCU Film that might make it big this year is Fantastic Four, and depending on the reception of that first trailer, we can gauge if people are more excited about it than Superman.
You might wanna check those numbers again pal...
Remember how hyped we were for man of steel...
@@GutsTheCaptain Are you talking about Superman? Gunn said that there are no reshoots for Superman. Now if you're talking about Captain America 4, yes there have been a lot of reshoots for that movie.
@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache lmao I totally read that wrong 🤣🤣
@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache transformers rise of the beast
I really think Gunn wants The Batman in the DCU for one major reason - the cast. There's no way they want to cast a new Penguin or Catwoman or Riddler after that. That cast is so freaking good that anyone running concurrent to them will feel lesser.
As for Superman, I think my excitement comes mostly from the fact that this is the first time EVER that a Superman movie is taking its main inspiration from actual Superman comics. The Christopher Reeve movies, while fun, really paid no mind to the books of the time. Bryan Singer ignored literally everything but the first two Reeve movies despite Superman being a vastly different character in the comics by that point, and Zack Snyder took a lot of ideas from Byrne's run but warped them into joyless dreck. This upcoming film actually feels like a celebration of great Superman comics.
so hoping superman can bring back that golden age of super hero content like in 2019. I joined youtube in 2020 so I never got to be apart of that real golden age of comicbook content
I don't think Pattinson's Bat will work in the DCU because half the appeal is that he's an entirely homebrewed batman who's only in year 2. You're gonna have to do a lot of legwork to make it believable that he's now had at least two sidekicks, a murderous 10 year old son, and is now capable of fighting parademons.
Thats been my arguement, we know nighwing and red hood are getting their own thing and he's got damien and Gunn likes tim so there's no way he hasn't had each robin
You just make the batman 1 a prequel and the new movies take place in modern day
@jamesseavy2414 Like I said, that would be a lot of legwork.
@@jamesseavy2414the first movie was set in 2022 so his just getting a whole bat family in 3 to 5 years
@BlueCheeseLucci it's literally a robin a year except for one year where one was dead, and he'd have to have met had a falling out met again leaving Talia pregnant between a year and 5 years before the batman for damiens age to make sense being between 6 and 10
43:36 I think the reason Supergirl is getting a shot is becuase James Gunn loves the original run of that comic. He tweeted and posted on instagram praising the series a little while before he took over DC.
clicked on it ten seconds after it was uploaded...
Kevin Smith did a script reading for that discarded Superman movie at his theater.
The Flash was absolutely well directed. There’s several things that movie does really well. If it wasn’t for Ezra being in trouble and the troubling CGI, it would have performed well.
I am fascinated by that Tick display behind Sal. Is that the board game??
It is!
@ that makes me so happy!!! I love that! Haven't seen the board game in ages and it brought back a lot of happy memories
If anything, he'll probably start his own team down the road
Short answer: no.
Long answer: unlike most other hollywood types, gunn ACTUALLY reads comics and uses them as a basis for his stories.
33:54. Is Sal talking about Jensen Ackles? I know he was up for Captain America, but he couldn’t because of conflicting shoot dates for Supernatural, or is he talking about the guy who played Bullseye in the Netflix Daredevil series? Cause I saw a clip with the Netflix actor from a comic con a few days ago where he talked about how he was up for Cap
It's the bullseye guy!
@ I thought so!! I honestly couldn’t see him as Cap, he was too good as Bullseye
Seeing mark ruffalo fight against Leader would be cool, that is absolutely not in dispute. I think the only problem is that from Marvel’s perspective, if they approached that epic battle that all Hulk fans have probably wanted to see for the last 50 years, they’re really not going to get that now because we’re still in the current “Smart Hulk” incarnation when it comes to his character and it hardly feels like there are any real stakes or pathos in this kind of Hulk vs Leader fight because Bruce Banner is smarter than Samuel Sterns. If this were reversed and it was Savage Hulk vs the Leader than now we have a movie.
EDIT:
Also hear me out: when it comes to Clayface, is it just me or is there the potential for his character to be inducted into the membership of the Flash’s Rogues? Because I feel like he’s fit in just fine.
Why do u think smart hulk is smarter than the leader.
It may not hit a Billion Dollars or be Better than the best movies in the world but, I think it will be a movie talked about for a long time and will make history!
I hope ;)
Let Matt Reeves’s Batman stay where he is. Give us a new one. Please!!!😂😂😂
It just needs focus on being good first before trying to top Mcu
3:47 that's what i did!
And it was glorious! (Except for the fact i got a weirdly censored hulk version where the fight at the end was almost completely cut ...)
Idk if yall don't realize Gunn is allowing all the speculation to go own because its.........simply free press. More dc talk the better for him. I dont care if I get 2 batman's at the same time. I red comics. I'm used to it. We should be cheering on him staying elseworlds. Everybody wants Gunn to abandon the Elseworlds but that is just such a bad idea. We need more of everyone else. Batman can wait. Spoiled lol
If The Batman took place further in the past it would be easier to integrate it with the DCU but if they want to do Teen Titans, et al, anytime soon it's gonna be trickier to use Battinson
Pattinson should absolutely not be in DCU. I love Pattinson, but he deserves to hold his own universe. Especially since James Gunn wants an older Batman that Pattinson doesn’t fit.
Thank goodness in a few short days we will have someone to step in and save the day!
I think it is important to take into consideration that DC is basically promise that they are giving director/creator freedom to do their project in DC once approved. The Batman is one of the first Elseworld, and for sure the "Hey, wanna join DCU or do a cameo in the future" conversation will come out, but this really just depends on Reeves' dicision
Reeves has already said those conversations have/are currently happening. His brief interview where he talked about it very much read like he’s strongly against it, but that things might be completely out of his control after TB2
There is a really good nugget in here about DC/Warner kinda rushing into things. Like, I really didn’t like what Sony was doing, but to their credit they weren’t throwing 12 projects against a wall and calling it a timeline. Phase 1 Marvel was like 6 movies, and two of them were Iron Man. Not to mention Agents of Shield post-Avengers, but that was only one show. I think studios doing cinematic universes need to be comfortable with taking slow steps.
Are the walls slowly crumbling between the DCU and what Matt Reeves has been doing with The Batman? On the one hand, I don't know how you square some of the circles from The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker being pulled in from before with The Batman firmly taking place in 2022 with The Penguin, but on the other, if it can be part of the universe and still remain its own thing without some other big event screwing things up, I'm down. One of my biggest problems with the MCU is that there really isn't a trilogy of movies that isn't interrupted with an Avengers movie or some other team up crossover. While having an interconnected universe is nice, I'd also like to see the character progress within their own stories and not have something big event come over and progress them beyond a point and now you have to watch 20 other things. While I will watch everything and I'll never truly know how well a trilogy following characters like Thor, Captian America, or even Ant-Man work without Avengers and Civil Wars coming in and taking some of that thunder, it would be nice to be able to do such a thing with Batman and Superman and other DC characters in the DCU. Big world events happen in the crossover pieces, big character story moments happen within their own movies. Maybe this isn't really possible within the given medium of film, but if someone were to want to watch stories featuring a single character and it be a narratively satisfying arc, hopefully it doesn't involve 20 movies to do so.
Honestly the batfamily has enough content to be a cinematic universe all on their own but it's never happening.
I'm really hoping Superman does well. We got the comics back on track. There's a very good cartoon out. Superman & Lois just wrapped a great series. All that's left is the film.
agree
Regarding the batman talk, i think Gunn wanted to invlude Pattinson in it, but when Reeves told him he wanted to do his own thing, Gunn was left in a position where he had to make the DCU batman different. Hence, Damian, who im not a fan of, but if you already have a year 2 batman going on in an elseworlds project, to make sure yours stands out, you need an older batman. Realistically, his only other options would be to either CW it with Batwoman, or adapt the future state next batman arc. And before someone brings up batman beyond, yes i want a batman beyond arc, but not as the main DCU batman. The only real issue with going with Damian is Jon should be there too, which feels a little rushed for a new DC universe, which is why I would prefer Cassandra Cain. Still optimistic, but curious how it will all play out. Spider-man works because the MCU focuses on Peter while Sony has Miles for the Spiderverse stuff
I just remembered Nathan Fillion was also in the suicide squad. Im sure it wont be brought up but I do wonder James would say about that.
If they do use Damien I would love a super sons movie down the road when Superman gets older and is married to Lois if they go that route.
Wilson Bethel the guy who plays bullseye recently said he almost got captain america
I want a Tim Drake GCPD story i see him as the eventual heir to Gordon! As for the movies just give a superman that smiles and has the time to help someone with what seems as the tiniest problem and I'm sold.
Im just a litle worried treating the movies like comics, different tones, different universes, etc wont work for the general movie going audiences. I absolutely want it to! It will be awesome if it does but man thats asking alot for the general public. I hope it works.
Yes everyone should have their own tone only just have to rework some things but pattinson could work
Last comment....hear me out what if superman is like this big flashy movie that gets everyone like general audiences hooked and then when the batman movie comes out its like this big expansive globe spanning movie that takes you through the dc universe through the eyes of a robin whos meeting everyone for the first time that'll get everyone hooked in the dc universe for whatever comes after
I feel like if you battonson is folded in those movies they will have to be in the past of the universe
ya but they would have to have the bad guys very old then
Creature comandos intro was not done by gunn the animators cane up with it and even gunn said it was too much
Pretty sure we said that, too.
@comicpopreturns yep realised my idiotic comment as i watched , just sneaking a bit at work to watch this , sorry lads
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@@comicpopreturns please call in a favour with tom and get james , i think as opposed to alot of interviews online you guys have the best knowledge about the topic ergo can ask the perfect question rather than the rinse and repeat ones by ign and all those companies
I actually don't want Pattinson batman to be put in the same universe as this Superman
Pre watch comment. It’s nice to finally have a hopeful Superman again. Love Henry, but Snyder just misunderstood the assignment
I think Frankenstien will become more of a weapon next season. There wasn't a reason.
I wonder what went down with sal and Joel. This this is not the same without him. It's been months since they done one
Why do you believe something happened? Life just gets in the way, or whatever. They both can't consistently appear until the end of time.
Nothing happened and it's sort of strange that you jumped there. DJ works with Sal and some of his own projects and Sal wanted to bring him in on Returns for a show. The only mainstays on this channel are Sal and myself, Ben and Ethan aren't even on here all the time.
I think I was unsustainable levels of hyped for the movie and the teaser trailer brought me down to just being simply excited. There’s still 7 months to go so I’m not worried for the movie, but in the teaser a lot of the CGI and effects looked very bad to me. I trust Gunn overall to give us the best Superman movie we’ve had. I think it will for sure make over 1 billion at the box office. In a way, not having a solo Superman movie for 12 years really helped them in terms of hype and marketing. I’ll be there opening night.
Just remember that these are early special effects, and Gunn has been assuring everyone that he’ll give the effects studios the time they need. In contrast, I think that the trailer effects will be the final product for the FF movie.
@@CharZy-y8v Yup. That's why I said I'm not really worried since there's still 7 months left until the movie releases, and he gave over a year for the VFX department.
The DCU Justice League will absolutely be the seven from the cartoon.
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Wally West
John Stewart
Martian Manhunter
Hawkgirl
It’s pretty sad they messed up hulks character so much in the mcu
So what if it is Dick Grayson and Damian as Batman and Robin. I swore we were also getting a "Dynamic Duo" animated film in this universe with Nightwing and Red Hood... Maybe that is a secret Battle for the Cowl type film. We also know from Creature Commandos, that Batman was out of Gotham long enough for Dr. Phosphorous to kill Rupert Thorn and take over his empire. Anyways, so yea I am hoping for a Dick Grayson and Damian as Batman and Robin in Brave and Bold. Happy smiling Batman with dark grim Robin. It would give us a decent contrast to "The Batman"....
Eventually have Bruce does come back---Guy Gardner saying he is the one in charge now and Batman punches him and knocks him out in one punch...
I actually hear more people say the first season of the flash show was just as bad or worse than some of the later stuff.
Me personally, Ik the whole thing wucked from the beginning with Arrow but I just enjoyed it for fun schlock.
I think fans are a lot more forgiving of the DCU than Marvel. When Marvel was peak fans were rooting for DCEU cuz it was under dog or Schnyder fans and under each ownership fans kept rooting for it to make a come back while Marvel was woke or too far from original source and waiting for it to fail. Now that Marvel is bad, fans are rooting for DCU even more and leaning more heavy on previous Marvel complaints.
The standards have gone down for Dc over the last 12 years. it is gone from wanting a movie to rival the MCU to just wanting a decent movie
Marvel isnt bad because they had projects that didnt work.
Like have roberts Movie set in the early years of his bat career and when he meets supes be after the Reeves trilogy
I think so as Im looking forward to Gunn's DC and really have no interest in current mcu but that's just me
agree
Hell yeah! Let’s gooo!
i love Pattinson and Reeves' Batman but i really do not want him to be the DCU's Batman. weve seen this grounded take on Batman with no Robin or Batfamily plenty, and as much as i love Nolan and Reeves' versions, i just want to see a Batman movie that actually feels like the modern comic book version at least once lol
agree no the batman we need a new actor given a chance
I can honestly say that while I certainly enjoyed the MCU films whenever I saw one, I was never able to be excited about them. They were sort of... meh.
49:49 please please please please let me get a good Constantine. Just once I want to see my favorite comics character get a proper film adaptation (sorry to yall that like it but Keanu Reeves ain’t my Constantine)
I’m concerned about so many heroes in Superman. I think it’s on the movie to show why a world with so many heroes still needs a Superman, and vice versa.
I wished they made Frankenstein cool :(
I feel MCU is sort of on the decline and DCU is gonna come in strong. It kinda makes sense as the DCEU came in during MCU’s heyday and was usually pretty bad. It’s the seesaw effect.
Marvel last movie made over a billion , they had an animated shoe and a live action show that was well received so no thry arent on the decline.
@ Deadpool & Wolverine made a billion but before that, they had a lot of duds: Marvels, Eternals, Love & Thunder, etc. Cap 4 seems to be geared for a flop as well since it has little hype, has had a ton of reshoots, and reportedly has had a lot of bad screenings. MCU’s last big movie was No Way Home which, like Deadpool, relied on nostalgia for pre-MCU movies, which is a bad sign. As for their last animated show, the third season of What If didn’t really impress too many people. I tried to check it out but the plot synopsis were terrible. What was the last live action show? Agatha? That seemed to come and go without a lot of buzz.
@Aaron-zt5ee love and thunder made 768 milliom. Doctor strange 2 made 955 million, wakanda forever made 859 million , shang-chi made 432 million, which is good for a niche character. Guardians vol 3 made 845 million.
Cap 4 actually has hype and the trailers have been positvely recived. As far as we know its only been 3 weeks of reshoots in may which is less than what doctor strange 2. Cap 4 was ranked high in fandangos anticipated movies for this year.
Test screenings arent always reliable. I mean the flash had amazing test screenings but look how that movie turned. There also rumors that superman didnt have great test screenings.
Im 2024 joker 2 failed and in 2023 all the dc films failed at the box office.
Not every mcu movie needs to make over a billion , thats not how it was pre-endgame. Aniamtion im talking about x-men 97 which was universally praised. Agatha all along was well received by fans and critics and kathryn got a golden globe nomination. You know what recently left with not as much buzz, creature commandos.
Definitely yes!
My problem is so we just going to give Pattinson batman a son and a bat family
Or you could scrap brave and the bold and kick that can down the road. Pattinson will be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out. There’s plenty of time and room for him to have a bat family.
just dont have him in new batman is better
Well Jason Momoa in Supergirl is a marketing point but that will gain more Female audiences for the movie right if Supergirl is a tough sell? You'll be cheering for Supergirl and thirsting for lobo ?! I thnk there was an articlewhen the first aquaman movie did numbers cause Female audience went to see Aquaman because it had Momoa in the role. Also It has the director of I, Tonya so I thnk he can balance out what needs to be in the story.
25:28 that would be fun if that happened.
Aaron Pierre he’s Mufasa
I hope we get a Superman film that’s soundtrack is entirely songs with ‘Superman’ in the title. There’s like 50 and they’re all bangers
Some standouts include ‘I’m no Superman’ ‘suburban Superman’ ‘that’s really super supergirl’ etc. they’re all equally good
Ooh awesome 😎