The biggest diffrence between the 2 is the lack of social interactions with the NPCS in Bannerlord. No feasts, no courting a lady, no dialogues, no companion talking to you, etc.
I never engaged too much in that aspect, but I will admit that it is worse in bannerlord. Although companions can and do die, as well as take part in the clan system, so they probably could not do too much more. Still, would've been nice to have a bit more dialogue with them.
All of that stuff is pretty easy to code and can be added in the last days of EA. After all the game is stable etc. The only question is will they. Most of the fluff stuff very simple to add. So much so that even unexperienced modders could do it.
I saw a post on the mount and blade subreddit where someone found a companion named “Jeremos the Surgeon”, which I think is the closest we’re getting to a Jeremus bloodline.
I struggle a bit playing bannerlord and warband. Every time I play one, I keep thinking about what the other did better. Bannerlord improved so much, but warband is a more complete experience.
@@timk8869 oh alright yeah anyways i wasn even long pressing it so my mistake. thanks for this comment btw like fr i have lost so many troops because idk how to do the flag thing 💀
Except of that, its stupid to complain about the graphics because its looking great and Taleworld isnt such a big company lile ubisoft, ea, ... and this is one thing, what I love about TW
Yeah ikr, graphics is not the main issue for bannerlord. Furthermore imo graphics is not what makes mount and blade such a great game, it's more about the mechanism, the feel of freedom to do whatever i want, be a king, a vassal, a mercenary, and all that. And mods, mods are what makes warband great, and i hope the same for bannerlord.
Warband does have banners for order placements. While you're giving the order, hold down the key instead of tapping and a banner to place down will appear and that indicates the center of the ordered line.
Sieges in warband was why I exclusively played the Nords. Nord Huscarls made the hell that was shuffling and pushing to get on the ladder almost meaningless because of just how quickly Nords slaughtered the defenders the moment they scaled the walls, making ladder traffic flow pretty fast
@@yousifosama4414 Yeah and its like that for every castle in Warband. Some use asiege tower instead but with the exact same mechanic as the ladder, except you gotta waste troops to push this slow ass tower up a hill so that you can climb up one singular ladder from said siege tower, just like every other regular ladder, all whilst preying to God your shield doesn't break from the archer spam. God it's so bad it's one of the few times in the game where I just auto resolve
Warband has so many mods that you practically can make your own game out of it that makes it so good and i also think that in a year or 2 bannerlord will have the same amount of good mods and then it will be better than warband
now look back at mount and blade 1, non warband. Also check out viking conquest and blood and gold caribean Edit: also fire and sword, explain why no one gives a shit about that game
Fire and sword feels weird man, in a way I enjoyed it, but I don't know if it's the setting or what, but doesn't really stick to you. I guess having all those cool mods to play on Warband makes it very hard for a game like With Fire and Sword. I always had something better or more fun to do on Warband instead.
I wonder if the mod you're talking about is "Feel the Hit". I'm really enjoying that one. Your weapon strikes stop when they hit an enemy and it feels more solid.
Realistic Weapon Collision was the first mod, but it didn't get updated to new versions, so Feel the Hit was made to replace, and improve on it. There is no impact mod. He's probably just confusing collision with impact.
honestly it was my first game in Steam from Torrent as early young age decided to support & bought but to spent 20$ via SteamGiftCard which at that time really hard for other-region to obtain USA-balance I remember had to spent times of digging PTC website to get a reward for USA giftcard. Now 5 years just past i can still proudly say it totally worth your gaming exp. :)
The armor in warband looks cooler imo, there was voice acting for encounters even tho it was bad it had charm, I loved being a 1 man army and wiping out hundreds solo with 2 handed weapon spam (you can still kinda do this but need really high athletics), the blocking felt a lot more snappy, obviously this is less realistic but who cares if it's more fun. The characters can look straight up creepy in Bannerlord sometimes probably because they look more realistic , I hate when they smile, at best in warband characters looked stupid, at worst they looked goofy, never creepy which also gives more charm points. Bannerlord has more to offer but is lacking a good few things to be the true successor to warband imo.
i think the skill system could be better, but it's a downgrade, it was simple but more effective, bannerlord skill system bring some interesting ideas, but it is hella slower to improve and the actual skill points do not bring any improve to your character.
@@graan1802 the entire concept of bannerlords "learning by doing" system is flawed. if i want my character to be better at say horse archery i want to invest a point in it and feel the impact not grind archery for the next 5 hours and riding for the next 500
The points are SUPPOSED to improve your character on their own, but it might not be working yet. A lot of the perks don't work yet, and they aren't marked as such. If you read the tool tips for each skill, it tells you what effect you're supposed to be seeing at your current level.
Honestly, watching him trying to command his troops, makes me wish he had more experience with the warband command system. Granted, it is dated and difficult at first, but with anything warband gave, was always that feeling. The markers are shown as to where you're placing your troops by holding F1. I personally, like both. But I would admit, I know more of the warband system than I do of the bannerlord system.
I don't think he quite understands what M&B and Warband is. It is the first of its kind. It set the bar, the foundation for what would come after. When I first heard of M&B the graphics weren't the best, but that's not what I was after. I was after the gameplay. I was after commanding an army like total war, but also being my own character on the battlefield who could join in or stay behind at will. A game where you actually had to block and attack directionally. I remember the first time I went on multiplayer people laughed at me, because nobody plays autoblock in multiplayer except for a very few mods. It opened up the game to a whole new world of skill-based fun. You could be totally naked and with a shitty starter sword in multiplayer and still you could kill a player full plate with the best weapon if you were good.
System is so Basic, so Simple to learn and it works, just takes a few tries for anyone rly can do it, even first time players, you dont even need to wory about types formations, just drag the giant flag thingy ;) but well some ppl just on open battle just do the swadian charge thing, and I guess Thats how they enjoy it. And on sieges they just get frustaded w a Simple ladder, cause they ,again, dnt Control their own troops, anyways, thnk the gods its a sandbox and u can play many other styles and actual use some Simple tactics :)
@@The_Gallowglass yeah the default auto block was a very shitty habbit many of us just got used to it, Also like u, Only after checking multiplayer I Started to play WB always w directional blocking, now..... thatbeeing Said i just wished i did That years ago cause i still suck at both singleplayer and multiplayer combat :D and can Only block a couple times but its satisfiyng wen iam able to Pull off
My favorite Warband mod is Viking Conquest. I feel like it took Warband to another level, especially graphically. It also has, in my opinion at least, a more interesting range of troop types and storylines than vanilla Warband (which I also enjoyed).
@@jackievarughese3945 It is a Warband module that is accessed from the Warband opening screen.. Regardless, my point is that the graphics, etc., were a great improvement and I enjoyed it.
I think bannerlords biggest flaw is the setting. It lacks the heavy plated knigts that define high mediaval games, but it also lacks the vikings wich is what I like most about the early mediaval time it plays in.
Also this might be controvercial, but I miss Woman not having equal status to man, it does not only add realism, but also gave a reason to play a woman.
I still play this game when I am not playing Bannerlord for just good old time sakes but in my opinion on the game is still good to me and I still enjoy the game so much and fun fact, if you hold F1 when you are commanding an army then you can tell your men exactly to hold position instead of running all the way where you want your men to hold.
Was thinkin that we even had this feature on consoles but hadn't played M&B on PC until Bannerlord, so was surprised by that. It's a "hold" element on consoles too and many players don't seem to know about it - seems to be the beauty of M&B; always something to learn and some other way of doing things. Not necessarily a more effective way, just an other way. Think it's the only issue with a the EA (for me) - they never tell us how things are meant to work, so we can't report something that isn't "working as intended" when half the time we don't know if it's a feature or a bug - equally I imagine they're getting tons of reports and tickets raised about things that are elements of mechanics but haven't been explained. Think the automatic couched lance thing was an option, like auto-block (easy mode) - quite amusing seeing how the different streamers remember the game relative to their mods and settings.
@@thatrandomeliteultra1158 Think it's the D-pad buttons (right direction with my setup), the ones we use to issue the orders. Most press and let go to issue the order, just dont let go and the flag should pop up
I'd much rather play Prophecy of Pendor than Bannerlord. As far as fun factor goes, PoP wins hands down, and that's the most important part imo. Even if there's a PoP2 for bannerlord, I think PoP1 will be more fun. I love the balance and core mechanics. When I see Bannerlord mods, I think, "that's cool". Unfortunately looking cool doesn't translate to fun.
what’s crazy to me about warband, is it was made it what 2004? for a game from 2004 it has pretty decent graphics, the gameplay is fun as hell, the depth into the mechanics of the game from courting lady’s, to the relationship aspects to everyone kinda having their own personality. the random events and feeling like you’re truly a mercenary, vassal, caravan, or starting your own kingdom. the game was truly ahead of its time and is an absolute classic. i’m so happy it came to xbox so i was able to play it again. i hadn’t played since my childhood at my buddy’s house when we would spend 24 hour stretches just rampaging calradia. i’ve now gotten 4 city’s taken, about 8 castles, and god knows how many villages under my command. a
He mentioned being able to tell at a glance if you troops are wounded. I’m coming to bannerlord from the Total War style of RTS in which you can see everything. I really like the limited knowledge on the battlefield in bannerlord. You have to turn your camera and make out what’s happening from wherever you happen to be. It’s incredibly immersive to me. The only thing I don’t like is the inability to form up before a battle begins or train you army to follow a standard deployment template when engaging an enemy.
Nah the historical setting and the factions were waaaayyyy better in warband. The graphic of warband is really mothing compared to bannerlord but I really hate the factions and setting of bannerlord.
Warband Mod, "Warsword Conquest", allows you to play in a fully recreated world of Warhammer Fantasy. And this is just one of the mods. Thats only one of the reasons, why Warband will be forever.
@@punjivr and me, as someone with over 3k hours in warband mp, and nearly 300 in bannerlord, I can say differently. The entire native community has already returned from bannerlord, they have repopulated wbmm and nw events
@@punjivr i agree with that, many don’t. as of right now the melee animations and mechanics are very bad, compared to warband. i’m a nw player, and i believe a bannerlord nw would be nothing but a replica of holdfast
There is just this nostalgic and indescribable feeling while playing warband. And although many people dislike the graphics, I oddly like it... Also the modding scene is so great
The time periode bannerlord plays in is a problem, no heavy knights wich define mediaval times for a lot of people, and no vikings wich would histricaly be my pick for early mediaval times.
Warband's music and historical theme/setting was on point. Also, the community driven multiplayer was somehow just much better. note: i live in australia, so i get 250 ping on every server i join, and its absolutely unplayable.
Warband with mods is still vastly superior to Bannerlord in it's incomplete state IMO. A few years from now I'd expect Bannerlord to be a lot better though, the better combat alone will put it above Warband as long as the rest of the game doesn't stay as incomplete as it is. Comparing vanilla to vanilla Bannerlord already takes the cake though, even though vanilla Warband is still a great game.
My mans complains about balance, but earlier in the video he showed he was on the easiest difficulty for warband XD. As well, saying "warband doesnt hold up as a 10/10 over a decade later" is such an unremarkable and obvious thing to say. Find me one game from pre 2013 that looks anything but UGLY compared to today. Warband when it came out was revolutionary, an amazing game. Today, its still a great time. Comparing it to its sequel is like comparing the original Jurassic park and the new movies and whining that the Ogs dont look as good, its honestly kinda strange to even draw that comparison in the first place.
Warband villages too let you recruit better units, as u improve your relations with those villages. In warband, if you hold F1 key, it lets you order your troops to move to designated place, without beein in that place yourself. Just like in Bannerlord.
Yes. There is no question. I'm still trying to work through Warsword, Le'aigle, Last Days of Third Age and Gekokujo Havent even touched Pendor yet. I've never been king of Caldaria either. I figure I have another 2k hours+ of gameplay left outside of multiplayer.
This video makes me so happy. After playing the souls series, I stopped being able to enjoy games, as they could never match it. But Warband is my new favorite game and I love it. And to know that Bannerlord is so much better makes me so excited, since it’s announced to be coming to consoles!
You can actually place your troops to a specific position without moving there yourself also in Warband, just select a units group with the number keys and then hold down the F1 button, a little flag will appear on the ground that you can move around, once you release the F1 key, your selected group will move to the position of the flag.
I started playing again with new Blood Eagle Mod for VC, actually still pretty fun ! Hope Bannerlord will be finished in about a year, so I can start playing that again..
Agreed. Sargot can't be Sargoth. It's too far south and not the right culture. That being said, you could still make it work with some lore fixes. Have the city of Sargot fall, and have refugees move north to settle a new Sargot where Sargoth is. The Nords can conquer it when they invade, and rename it to Sargoth.
I think warband had more to offer in terms of roleplay, enhanced diplomacy mods and the ability to join an army as a footsoldier. (not vanilla) 1 We also had multi area sieges, take the wall, take the town, take the keep. (loved that despite the single ladders) More edicts for controlling your kingdom that actually do something. Perhaps the ability to purchase real estate, have a squire, ability to make camp and make council with yor companions, random gang warfare, policing (being able to pick a side) ability to completely destroy towns, castles and villages. Kill Lords on the battlefield (rather than after having to execute them) I have so much more to add. I wish I knew how to mod bannerlord
@@semamet It's definitely a case of to each their own. Nothing wrong with you liking it that way. I just think getting a full view of the formation positions gives you a better idea of what you're doing.
Almost popped a blood vessel trying to decipher which perk is less useless in bannerlord. Constantly checked steam guides, the works. Just dropped it and went for Warband. Might go for 2008 version just cause, idc about graphics, at least back then companies knew how to make AND FINISH a game
I love scrolling through comments and just seeing people say “I don’t care. Warband better” after the man delicately put excellent words together forming up a video essay.
You should play blood and gold Caribbean, I randomly came across it and fell in love. Was always wanting a mod like it and I bet their are other out there who have yet had the chance to play it.
I just played some warband before this video purely for the mods. And boy.. It still has such a charm. I still like it more than bannerlord purely due to the current mods both games have.
This is funny... I watched your "Old World" warhammer mod spotlight and it made me wistful for the Warsword Conquest mod for Warband. So I took a peek at it and found out it just came out with an update in the last couple of months. So I fired it up. I love Warband, but it just felt awkward after having not played it for a while.
Thank you for saying what I've said for a long time, Bannerlord has always been the better game. A lot of people either do have those nostalgia goggles or got hyped for features or things that never would've been in the game
40% of the reason why I started playing Bannerlord was due to how the battles played out, mainly because of how fluid they were, and how you could navigate through your troops much easier, what I mean is that in warband, you literally struggle trying to push yourself through a single shieldwall of your troops, this is the same case of how every single soldier tries to squeeze theirself up a single ladder in a siege, and the player has to either go first in line for the ladder, or last, so they wouldn't have to go through the hassle of pushing through AI soldiers. The troops were collidable like CONCRETE, I tell ya. Unlike in bannerlord, whereas you can actually make room for yourself in battles with better troop collision, same goes for the horses as well.
I agree on all the points you covered here. Most of the complaints I see about combat is that you can't just stomp anything by spamming cav in bannerlord (which if you can do that, I don't think it's really great balance. Also the game takes place before cavalry was as dominant as warband. I think it's also great that spears actually counter cav now) and that armor "does nothing" which the latter is false imo. But I think where bannerlord falls short is the kind of things you didn't touch on here. The politics, interactions with lords, long term playability, stuff like that. But we know that stuff is all in the pipeline, so I'm not too worried about it. There's some great stuff related to all that introduced in Bannerlord too (such as elections/policies/clans) but it still needs work. I've put off the latest few patcches waiting for 1.5.6, but still, I think Bannerlord is overall better and will be far superior with mods.
When raiding villages was profitable, btw i do like some unbalace things like swadian knights ...there is always option to not use them, its up to you .... its single player u dont ruin fun for others. Factions in bannerlord are similar to other factions, now khuzait have infantry, sturgia have good cavalary .... there is not something unique for each faction. But i still love both games
I think the best way of putting this game, is the comunity itself. It's a game who got the best community. Between modders, pvpers, historians and medieval game fanatics. The best of the best
I barely started playing warband (I don't have a pc) and I find it awesome! One thing I would love, is to find a game where its as this game is, but when you take a castle/town/ city, you can construct it certain ways depending on he level of investment or Denard you want to put into it
i really like bannerlord, atleast in 2022 feels like it kinda got its shit together somewhat. But damn Warband and it's mods are pretty hard to top lol still go back to warband every once in a while
150 man max? Someone never did their homework and edited the text files. I used to play 1,000 man battles when my pc was in its prime. And idk how you turned your markers off for directing your troops because they should be on by default if I'm not mistaken
It feels a bit like a report from Captain Obvious to be honest... I like both games but only Warband runs on my old laptop, and I travel a lot. So Bannerlord at home, and Warband (usually a mod) when traveling, both work for me,
2 years after this video, I can honestly say that the things they added to Bannerlord make it such a better game, I love Warband and spent hours playing it, but bannerlord is an amazing game with a lot of potential, I will not go back to Warband per pure nostlagia
I’m playing warband on console rn and YES warband is THAT good. It’s fucking awesome! I love Warband! I’m so I’m completely hooked on it and been playing it since I got it nonstop. I can’t believe how under the radar it’s gone. There’s still no game like this yet! It’s the type of game I would have assumed all games would have became and yet it still has!
Me too bro, me too, I held wercheg, rivacheg, curaw, dhirim and suno for Ragnar, he made me his most powerful lord, decided it was time, strategically let dhirim and suno fall to the enemy by removing garrisons as I wanted a tight together empire to defend, garrisoned the soldiers in my other cities quickly, war ensues for lost lands I conquer khudan and demand it, he says no, I took the empire I built, left him with only sargoth and Praven as the vaegirs had took tihr, he knew, he just knew, offered peace the same day hahaha! I then went after his best lords who had high relation with me, they acknowledged my RTR and pravens lord came, + multiple lords of castles in my empires reach.. no king would declare war despite provocations from my lords all losing face.. I used the months of peace to grind money and let my lords settle in and build armies and garrisons... I now have nearly a mil and can amass an army of 1250+ I desired more khergit lands to solidify my empires reach across the entire western side of the map so demanded money from a khergit caravan, they declared war and the sarranids and rhodoks saw an opportunity and did too, theyre all about to get dealt with in a few minutes hahaha
This video is sponsored by: Bannerlord. For instance Bannerlord < Warband. One of many reasons, the feeling you get playing warband like the game has a soul. The companions are likable, the graphics are nothing important really if you see games like Valheim still coming with "outdated graphics" the gameplay is much better. When playing Bannerlord I feel bored right away there is no sensation of adventure unlike Warband. Bannerlord is like a Tesla you know all the technology and 0 - 100 speed and whatever but Warband is like driving an old mustang. Feel free to discuss further with me.
The horse/lance combat in WB was much better than it is now, back then I've felt so much more confident and i could take out dozens of enemies on my own, in bannerlord however, i feel much more vulnerable and i could never possibly take down so many enemies (this is also due to improved ai which is good). I also prefer the BL archery though, feels much more enjoyable than it used to be, but overall for me warband is way more fun combat-wise. Everything else is just better now in Bannerlord.
You can tell the troops to hold a position specifically I wouldn’t know the key because I’ve only played this on console, but you use a flag to specifically place them somewhere.
Auto-generated battle maps, I am sorry, I did not know your significance back then.
The biggest diffrence between the 2 is the lack of social interactions with the NPCS in Bannerlord. No feasts, no courting a lady, no dialogues, no companion talking to you, etc.
Yeah the companion in warband where unique, i feel that the companions in bannerlord are just there to be there
@@amaelthepault3298 until you send them off on caravans
I never engaged too much in that aspect, but I will admit that it is worse in bannerlord. Although companions can and do die, as well as take part in the clan system, so they probably could not do too much more. Still, would've been nice to have a bit more dialogue with them.
All of that stuff is pretty easy to code and can be added in the last days of EA. After all the game is stable etc.
The only question is will they. Most of the fluff stuff very simple to add. So much so that even unexperienced modders could do it.
@@amaelthepault3298 to be fair it's still technically in development
Yeah, nothing beats the charm and memes of warband
Yessir
butter
After consulting his peers, King Harlaus has decided to give Narra to King Harlaus
After consulting his peers, King Harlaus has decided to give Calradia to King Harlaus.... because butter
@@calvincalamari6614 This is the fault of the Khergits... and their horse-wives!
Bannelord would be better if one of the companions were the great grandparents of Jeremus
Wish Vlandia could have butter chugging feasts
Best idea ever.
@@neathizar9743 Someone needs to make a map mod of Xia Jie's lake of alcohol but instead it's fountains of molten butter in Derthert's feasts.
I saw a post on the mount and blade subreddit where someone found a companion named “Jeremos the Surgeon”, which I think is the closest we’re getting to a Jeremus bloodline.
We also need Rolf, grandfather of, well, Rolf
No question its still great. Its almost harvesting season.
Can’t wait for a mod for Bannerlord that converts maps and troops to Warband.
Me too XD
That's what I said when Bannerlord was announced to be released. I said, "I can't wait for Mount & Blade II: Warband. :D
Better yet, a mod for Warband that converts them to Bannerlord.
@@Oheng75 Meh
@@Oheng75 :/
I struggle a bit playing bannerlord and warband. Every time I play one, I keep thinking about what the other did better. Bannerlord improved so much, but warband is a more complete experience.
yeah, hopefully bannerlord will soon get out of early access
@@muskratt5947our of EA, the game still sucks
How? Most of the things that people claim are incomplete don't strike me as incomplete at all
if u hold f1 u can actualy see the flag where they are gonna go, although this is from memory and i might be wrong
you are right i was thinking the same thing
i do it but for some reason it doesnt show me the flag 💀
Nope ur right, found it out by accident
@@arianapreacher3662 it will only show 1 flag and not like in bannerlord for every entity
@@timk8869 oh alright yeah anyways i wasn even long pressing it so my mistake. thanks for this comment btw like fr i have lost so many troops because idk how to do the flag thing 💀
Whenever I hear people complain about bannerlord graphics I just point at warband. Man. They really improved a lot on that one =))
Except of that, its stupid to complain about the graphics because its looking great and Taleworld isnt such a big company lile ubisoft, ea, ... and this is one thing, what I love about TW
Yeah ikr, graphics is not the main issue for bannerlord. Furthermore imo graphics is not what makes mount and blade such a great game, it's more about the mechanism, the feel of freedom to do whatever i want, be a king, a vassal, a mercenary, and all that. And mods, mods are what makes warband great, and i hope the same for bannerlord.
Bannerlord has improved graphics, but how much better are the actual mechanics
Well a game that have the price 50$ you have big expectations for graphics, gameplay , and music
People were complaining about the graphics tf
Warband does have banners for order placements. While you're giving the order, hold down the key instead of tapping and a banner to place down will appear and that indicates the center of the ordered line.
Atleast they are actually climing all the ladders at the same time
sieges were a mess in warband
Sieges in warband was why I exclusively played the Nords. Nord Huscarls made the hell that was shuffling and pushing to get on the ladder almost meaningless because of just how quickly Nords slaughtered the defenders the moment they scaled the walls, making ladder traffic flow pretty fast
@@terrypennington2519 unless you attack the rhodoks (only attack rhodoks are not as good at attacks)
“All the ladders”. In the example this video shows, there is literally just one
@@yousifosama4414 Yeah and its like that for every castle in Warband. Some use asiege tower instead but with the exact same mechanic as the ladder, except you gotta waste troops to push this slow ass tower up a hill so that you can climb up one singular ladder from said siege tower, just like every other regular ladder, all whilst preying to God your shield doesn't break from the archer spam.
God it's so bad it's one of the few times in the game where I just auto resolve
Warband has so many mods that you practically can make your own game out of it that makes it so good and i also think that in a year or 2 bannerlord will have the same amount of good mods and then it will be better than warband
I would say by the time of the end of the open beta it will be better with full mod tools and also finishing all the things they wanna Finnish
I agree
It already is bette
I mean there is mods in warband that puts more mechanics like diplomacy
Except for xbox where people can't download mods..... although to be fair that's hardly relevant as Bannerlord isn't even on console yet.
now look back at mount and blade 1, non warband. Also check out viking conquest and blood and gold caribean
Edit: also fire and sword, explain why no one gives a shit about that game
the children from viking conquest still give me nightmares
Fire and sword had so much potential... unfortunantly it feels very unpolished and under developed
Fire and Sword was really satisfying to play, but shoehorning a story mode in there kinda ruined things
Fire and sword feels weird man, in a way I enjoyed it, but I don't know if it's the setting or what, but doesn't really stick to you. I guess having all those cool mods to play on Warband makes it very hard for a game like With Fire and Sword. I always had something better or more fun to do on Warband instead.
I wonder if the mod you're talking about is "Feel the Hit". I'm really enjoying that one. Your weapon strikes stop when they hit an enemy and it feels more solid.
Realistic Weapon Collision was the first mod, but it didn't get updated to new versions, so Feel the Hit was made to replace, and improve on it. There is no impact mod. He's probably just confusing collision with impact.
Warband was a good game... but not quite the best and i have lots of good memories of it. Hope y'all do to
It was definitely the best of its kind
Definitely, it was an amazing time. Some of the best gaming moments in my life were in Warband and Napoleonic Wars.
Warband is that kind of game that I think doesn't need any mod.. It's the best 👍
honestly it was my first game in Steam from Torrent as early young age decided to support & bought but to spent 20$ via SteamGiftCard which at that time really hard for other-region to obtain USA-balance I remember had to spent times of digging PTC website to get a reward for USA giftcard. Now 5 years just past i can still proudly say it totally worth your gaming exp. :)
@@Taliban.The.Hyperpower The modding community is by far its best feature.
The armor in warband looks cooler imo, there was voice acting for encounters even tho it was bad it had charm, I loved being a 1 man army and wiping out hundreds solo with 2 handed weapon spam (you can still kinda do this but need really high athletics), the blocking felt a lot more snappy, obviously this is less realistic but who cares if it's more fun. The characters can look straight up creepy in Bannerlord sometimes probably because they look more realistic , I hate when they smile, at best in warband characters looked stupid, at worst they looked goofy, never creepy which also gives more charm points. Bannerlord has more to offer but is lacking a good few things to be the true successor to warband imo.
i think the skill system could be better, but it's a downgrade, it was simple but more effective, bannerlord skill system bring some interesting ideas, but it is hella slower to improve and the actual skill points do not bring any improve to your character.
Yeah I hate the new skill system warband was much better
I think it's not finished yet.
@@graan1802 the entire concept of bannerlords "learning by doing" system is flawed. if i want my character to be better at say horse archery i want to invest a point in it and feel the impact not grind archery for the next 5 hours and riding for the next 500
The points are SUPPOSED to improve your character on their own, but it might not be working yet. A lot of the perks don't work yet, and they aren't marked as such. If you read the tool tips for each skill, it tells you what effect you're supposed to be seeing at your current level.
Talewords is probably trying to design for long slow gameplay, but there really needs to be way more to do with that much waiting and grinding
i recommend Warband over Bannerlord in 2022 because on its own, its just more complete as a singleplayer RPG, and its modding scene is insane
Honestly, watching him trying to command his troops, makes me wish he had more experience with the warband command system. Granted, it is dated and difficult at first, but with anything warband gave, was always that feeling. The markers are shown as to where you're placing your troops by holding F1. I personally, like both. But I would admit, I know more of the warband system than I do of the bannerlord system.
I don't think he quite understands what M&B and Warband is. It is the first of its kind. It set the bar, the foundation for what would come after. When I first heard of M&B the graphics weren't the best, but that's not what I was after. I was after the gameplay. I was after commanding an army like total war, but also being my own character on the battlefield who could join in or stay behind at will. A game where you actually had to block and attack directionally. I remember the first time I went on multiplayer people laughed at me, because nobody plays autoblock in multiplayer except for a very few mods. It opened up the game to a whole new world of skill-based fun. You could be totally naked and with a shitty starter sword in multiplayer and still you could kill a player full plate with the best weapon if you were good.
System is so Basic, so Simple to learn and it works, just takes a few tries for anyone rly can do it, even first time players, you dont even need to wory about types formations, just drag the giant flag thingy ;) but well some ppl just on open battle just do the swadian charge thing, and I guess Thats how they enjoy it. And on sieges they just get frustaded w a Simple ladder, cause they ,again, dnt Control their own troops, anyways, thnk the gods its a sandbox and u can play many other styles and actual use some Simple tactics :)
@@The_Gallowglass yeah the default auto block was a very shitty habbit many of us just got used to it, Also like u, Only after checking multiplayer I Started to play WB always w directional blocking, now..... thatbeeing Said i just wished i did That years ago cause i still suck at both singleplayer and multiplayer combat :D and can Only block a couple times but its satisfiyng wen iam able to Pull off
Well it took me 30 mins the first time to find and hunt the 'nervous man'. Almost gave up.
My favorite Warband mod is Viking Conquest. I feel like it took Warband to another level, especially graphically. It also has, in my opinion at least, a more interesting range of troop types and storylines than vanilla Warband (which I also enjoyed).
Viking Conquest is a dlc, or a standalone game itself, i don't think that's a mod
@@jackievarughese3945 It is a Warband module that is accessed from the Warband opening screen.. Regardless, my point is that the graphics, etc., were a great improvement and I enjoyed it.
I think bannerlords biggest flaw is the setting. It lacks the heavy plated knigts that define high mediaval games, but it also lacks the vikings wich is what I like most about the early mediaval time it plays in.
Ehh I like the early medieval period.
@@jolonghthong I too, but it misses vikings. The only 2 factions I find enjoyable are the Vladians and the Azarai.
Also this might be controvercial, but I miss Woman not having equal status to man, it does not only add realism, but also gave a reason to play a woman.
@@leonl9123 I didn’t know about that lol. I’m on console
@@leonl9123 yeaj that was awesome
I still play this game when I am not playing Bannerlord for just good old time sakes but in my opinion on the game is still good to me and I still enjoy the game so much and fun fact, if you hold F1 when you are commanding an army then you can tell your men exactly to hold position instead of running all the way where you want your men to hold.
Was thinkin that we even had this feature on consoles but hadn't played M&B on PC until Bannerlord, so was surprised by that. It's a "hold" element on consoles too and many players don't seem to know about it - seems to be the beauty of M&B; always something to learn and some other way of doing things. Not necessarily a more effective way, just an other way. Think it's the only issue with a the EA (for me) - they never tell us how things are meant to work, so we can't report something that isn't "working as intended" when half the time we don't know if it's a feature or a bug - equally I imagine they're getting tons of reports and tickets raised about things that are elements of mechanics but haven't been explained. Think the automatic couched lance thing was an option, like auto-block (easy mode) - quite amusing seeing how the different streamers remember the game relative to their mods and settings.
@@rickybuhl3176 what button do I press for the t
Flag
@@thatrandomeliteultra1158 Think it's the D-pad buttons (right direction with my setup), the ones we use to issue the orders. Most press and let go to issue the order, just dont let go and the flag should pop up
@@rickybuhl3176 k
if i'm not mistaken holding F1 in Warband to order troops will bring up a flag so you know where to make them hold the position
I'm still waiting for prophesy of pendor for bannerlord before I can make my final comparison :D
I'd much rather play Prophecy of Pendor than Bannerlord. As far as fun factor goes, PoP wins hands down, and that's the most important part imo.
Even if there's a PoP2 for bannerlord, I think PoP1 will be more fun. I love the balance and core mechanics. When I see Bannerlord mods, I think, "that's cool". Unfortunately looking cool doesn't translate to fun.
what’s crazy to me about warband, is it was made it what 2004? for a game from 2004 it has pretty decent graphics, the gameplay is fun as hell, the depth into the mechanics of the game from courting lady’s, to the relationship aspects to everyone kinda having their own personality. the random events and feeling like you’re truly a mercenary, vassal, caravan, or starting your own kingdom. the game was truly ahead of its time and is an absolute classic. i’m so happy it came to xbox so i was able to play it again. i hadn’t played since my childhood at my buddy’s house when we would spend 24 hour stretches just rampaging calradia. i’ve now gotten 4 city’s taken, about 8 castles, and god knows how many villages under my command. a
2004 was alpha of regular mount and blade, warband came many years later
He mentioned being able to tell at a glance if you troops are wounded. I’m coming to bannerlord from the Total War style of RTS in which you can see everything. I really like the limited knowledge on the battlefield in bannerlord. You have to turn your camera and make out what’s happening from wherever you happen to be. It’s incredibly immersive to me. The only thing I don’t like is the inability to form up before a battle begins or train you army to follow a standard deployment template when engaging an enemy.
Gods, seeing lots of soldiers actually go up the 'ladders' is a beautiful sight!
Nah the historical setting and the factions were waaaayyyy better in warband. The graphic of warband is really mothing compared to bannerlord but I really hate the factions and setting of bannerlord.
Warband Mod, "Warsword Conquest", allows you to play in a fully recreated world of Warhammer Fantasy.
And this is just one of the mods.
Thats only one of the reasons, why Warband will be forever.
warband exists for multiplayer, especially competitive in native and NW. Bannerlord is a single player game.
I wish it had a better mp following for now
@@punjivr the melee is trash, it just won’t work with the competitive scene
@@punjivr and me, as someone with over 3k hours in warband mp, and nearly 300 in bannerlord, I can say differently. The entire native community has already returned from bannerlord, they have repopulated wbmm and nw events
@@iodine3012 Maybe one day when we get custom servers, custom maps, mods, and polish, the community will return
@@punjivr i agree with that, many don’t. as of right now the melee animations and mechanics are very bad, compared to warband. i’m a nw player, and i believe a bannerlord nw would be nothing but a replica of holdfast
There is just this nostalgic and indescribable feeling while playing warband. And although many people dislike the graphics, I oddly like it...
Also the modding scene is so great
If the gameplay is satisfying, we often overlook graphics.
M&B never looked good, but we never cared for this fact.
Maybe a controversial opinion but
Warband > Bannerlord
Agreed, but Bannerlord is getting closer. Even if Bannerlord does surpass Warband someday, Warband will always be a great game.
@@yek9407 Hopefully they make Bannerlord multiplayer as good as Warband, they need to bring back the classic inventory/money system
The time periode bannerlord plays in is a problem, no heavy knights wich define mediaval times for a lot of people, and no vikings wich would histricaly be my pick for early mediaval times.
You still have horse archers
You will Never scape the horse archers
Yes ofc
what bannerlord did good is sieges. Sieges are amazing. Aside from that, i'd rather have an HD version of warband
We need a rolf of house rolf in bannerlord to legitimise rolf of house rolf
Warband's music and historical theme/setting was on point. Also, the community driven multiplayer was somehow just much better. note: i live in australia, so i get 250 ping on every server i join, and its absolutely unplayable.
I still play warband cause my shit can't handle bannerlord
Try Geforce Now. Not the best solution but works fine for me at the moment. I have a potato PC too but I had to play Bannelord.
Warband with mods is still vastly superior to Bannerlord in it's incomplete state IMO. A few years from now I'd expect Bannerlord to be a lot better though, the better combat alone will put it above Warband as long as the rest of the game doesn't stay as incomplete as it is.
Comparing vanilla to vanilla Bannerlord already takes the cake though, even though vanilla Warband is still a great game.
My mans complains about balance, but earlier in the video he showed he was on the easiest difficulty for warband XD. As well, saying "warband doesnt hold up as a 10/10 over a decade later" is such an unremarkable and obvious thing to say. Find me one game from pre 2013 that looks anything but UGLY compared to today. Warband when it came out was revolutionary, an amazing game. Today, its still a great time. Comparing it to its sequel is like comparing the original Jurassic park and the new movies and whining that the Ogs dont look as good, its honestly kinda strange to even draw that comparison in the first place.
the fact that warband is a more random game is what makes me really like it
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Who would’ve guessed, when you fight at night its dark.. ahh it sucks, wish it was brighter!
Warband villages too let you recruit better units, as u improve your relations with those villages.
In warband, if you hold F1 key, it lets you order your troops to move to designated place, without beein in that place yourself. Just like in Bannerlord.
Yes. There is no question. I'm still trying to work through Warsword, Le'aigle, Last Days of Third Age and Gekokujo
Havent even touched Pendor yet. I've never been king of Caldaria either.
I figure I have another 2k hours+ of gameplay left outside of multiplayer.
No other game is or ever will be Warband.
This video makes me so happy. After playing the souls series, I stopped being able to enjoy games, as they could never match it. But Warband is my new favorite game and I love it. And to know that Bannerlord is so much better makes me so excited, since it’s announced to be coming to consoles!
I love warband. Sieging or defending the castle is unique experience in warband🙂
You can actually place your troops to a specific position without moving there yourself also in Warband, just select a units group with the number keys and then hold down the F1 button, a little flag will appear on the ground that you can move around, once you release the F1 key, your selected group will move to the position of the flag.
I started playing again with new Blood Eagle Mod for VC, actually still pretty fun !
Hope Bannerlord will be finished in about a year, so I can start playing that again..
1:11 They change the map and rearrange the cities every game, especially when they put sargoth on the opposite end of the map
Dude are you high? What are you talking about?
Agreed. Sargot can't be Sargoth. It's too far south and not the right culture. That being said, you could still make it work with some lore fixes. Have the city of Sargot fall, and have refugees move north to settle a new Sargot where Sargoth is. The Nords can conquer it when they invade, and rename it to Sargoth.
@@o-mangaming5042 Holy shit, that's some really interesting lore right there, not gonna lie.
I think warband had more to offer in terms of roleplay, enhanced diplomacy mods and the ability to join an army as a footsoldier. (not vanilla) 1
We also had multi area sieges, take the wall, take the town, take the keep. (loved that despite the single ladders)
More edicts for controlling your kingdom that actually do something. Perhaps the ability to purchase real estate, have a squire, ability to make camp and make council with yor companions, random gang warfare, policing (being able to pick a side) ability to completely destroy towns, castles and villages. Kill Lords on the battlefield (rather than after having to execute them)
I have so much more to add.
I wish I knew how to mod bannerlord
3:14
Try "holding" F1 mate
You still only get one flag for the center of the formation. In Bannerlord you get a flag for each soldier in the formation.
@@o-mangaming5042 good enough imo :/
@@semamet It's definitely a case of to each their own. Nothing wrong with you liking it that way. I just think getting a full view of the formation positions gives you a better idea of what you're doing.
@@o-mangaming5042 no, i'm right you're wrong
end of discussion
On my monitor, the graphics are way better. Maybe because I have the night light slightly on, and the graphic settings higher.
Almost popped a blood vessel trying to decipher which perk is less useless in bannerlord. Constantly checked steam guides, the works. Just dropped it and went for Warband. Might go for 2008 version just cause, idc about graphics, at least back then companies knew how to make AND FINISH a game
Reinstalled a couple of days ago.
Having A LOT of Fun
I love scrolling through comments and just seeing people say “I don’t care. Warband better” after the man delicately put excellent words together forming up a video essay.
You should play blood and gold Caribbean, I randomly came across it and fell in love. Was always wanting a mod like it and I bet their are other out there who have yet had the chance to play it.
I just got in to M&B Warband and i honestly love it very much. I can’t wait for Bannerlord to come to consoles!
“Warband’s kill feed is better” I have to turn it off in sieges so I can actually see where I’m stabbing LMFAO
3:14 - Hold down F1 to get the flag.
It just shows you that they did a really good job with Bannerlord.
As it stands, Warband is much more fun.
Ah yes, harvesting season.
I just played some warband before this video purely for the mods. And boy.. It still has such a charm. I still like it more than bannerlord purely due to the current mods both games have.
Yes.
It’s still vastly superior.
Especially multiplayer.
Bro Warband is my childhood that game never ends in me
They need to add some special companions to bannerlord.
Oh and they need more battle maps
This is funny... I watched your "Old World" warhammer mod spotlight and it made me wistful for the Warsword Conquest mod for Warband. So I took a peek at it and found out it just came out with an update in the last couple of months. So I fired it up. I love Warband, but it just felt awkward after having not played it for a while.
If you hold down the command button, a flag appears
I love the warband fighting system way more than Bannerlord. It just feels better.
I also think the warband recruitment system works better.
Mods make it so much fun today.
Check out Warsword Conquest if you're into Warhammer Fantasy.
Diplomacy Warband is the best.
3:08 you can hold F1 and a little flag marker will appear and you can place it on the battlefield
Thank you for saying what I've said for a long time, Bannerlord has always been the better game. A lot of people either do have those nostalgia goggles or got hyped for features or things that never would've been in the game
40% of the reason why I started playing Bannerlord was due to how the battles played out, mainly because of how fluid they were, and how you could navigate through your troops much easier, what I mean is that in warband, you literally struggle trying to push yourself through a single shieldwall of your troops, this is the same case of how every single soldier tries to squeeze theirself up a single ladder in a siege, and the player has to either go first in line for the ladder, or last, so they wouldn't have to go through the hassle of pushing through AI soldiers. The troops were collidable like CONCRETE, I tell ya. Unlike in bannerlord, whereas you can actually make room for yourself in battles with better troop collision, same goes for the horses as well.
There's a reason why people were saying Warband is now obsolete even on Bannerlord's buggy launch, and its all these little things.
Pro tip if you hold the command you will have a flag shown were you want to put them
I still play this due to me not owning a pc I play this on the PS4 I still love it tbh
I play Warband all the time!
I agree on all the points you covered here. Most of the complaints I see about combat is that you can't just stomp anything by spamming cav in bannerlord (which if you can do that, I don't think it's really great balance. Also the game takes place before cavalry was as dominant as warband. I think it's also great that spears actually counter cav now) and that armor "does nothing" which the latter is false imo. But I think where bannerlord falls short is the kind of things you didn't touch on here. The politics, interactions with lords, long term playability, stuff like that. But we know that stuff is all in the pipeline, so I'm not too worried about it. There's some great stuff related to all that introduced in Bannerlord too (such as elections/policies/clans) but it still needs work. I've put off the latest few patcches waiting for 1.5.6, but still, I think Bannerlord is overall better and will be far superior with mods.
I havent played Bannerlord yet (potato pc) but Seeing this video actually really makes me want to play it!
In warband if you held F1 it showed a little flag to point where the troops will hold position ... well I discovered it after 1k+ hours i think xD
I started playing warband and i dont even know how to look at the whole map
Actually if you see the dates in both games, warband is 200 years in the future
When raiding villages was profitable, btw i do like some unbalace things like swadian knights ...there is always option to not use them, its up to you .... its single player u dont ruin fun for others. Factions in bannerlord are similar to other factions, now khuzait have infantry, sturgia have good cavalary .... there is not something unique for each faction. But i still love both games
I think the best way of putting this game, is the comunity itself. It's a game who got the best community. Between modders, pvpers, historians and medieval game fanatics.
The best of the best
The Chad Old-Warband vs Virgin Early-Bannerjoke
I barely started playing warband (I don't have a pc) and I find it awesome! One thing I would love, is to find a game where its as this game is, but when you take a castle/town/ city, you can construct it certain ways depending on he level of investment or Denard you want to put into it
in bannerlord you can build different improvements for yor town and upgrade the walls n shit its cool
Then play total war
i really like bannerlord, atleast in 2022 feels like it kinda got its shit together somewhat. But damn Warband and it's mods are pretty hard to top lol still go back to warband every once in a while
Nothing is better then roleplay server in M&B persistent kingdoms.
150 man max? Someone never did their homework and edited the text files. I used to play 1,000 man battles when my pc was in its prime. And idk how you turned your markers off for directing your troops because they should be on by default if I'm not mistaken
I need a mix of both.
If you hold hold positions it pops up the flag.
It is.
It feels a bit like a report from Captain Obvious to be honest... I like both games but only Warband runs on my old laptop, and I travel a lot. So Bannerlord at home, and Warband (usually a mod) when traveling, both work for me,
Personally I think bannerlord should have been developed to be better than the best Warband mod, not just better than vanilla. But that’s just me.
2 years after this video, I can honestly say that the things they added to Bannerlord make it such a better game, I love Warband and spent hours playing it, but bannerlord is an amazing game with a lot of potential, I will not go back to Warband per pure nostlagia
Try using Re-Shade to make the graphics look a lot nicer
I’m playing warband on console rn and YES warband is THAT good. It’s fucking awesome! I love Warband! I’m so I’m completely hooked on it and been playing it since I got it nonstop. I can’t believe how under the radar it’s gone. There’s still no game like this yet! It’s the type of game I would have assumed all games would have became and yet it still has!
Me too bro, me too, I held wercheg, rivacheg, curaw, dhirim and suno for Ragnar, he made me his most powerful lord, decided it was time, strategically let dhirim and suno fall to the enemy by removing garrisons as I wanted a tight together empire to defend, garrisoned the soldiers in my other cities quickly, war ensues for lost lands I conquer khudan and demand it, he says no, I took the empire I built, left him with only sargoth and Praven as the vaegirs had took tihr, he knew, he just knew, offered peace the same day hahaha! I then went after his best lords who had high relation with me, they acknowledged my RTR and pravens lord came, + multiple lords of castles in my empires reach.. no king would declare war despite provocations from my lords all losing face.. I used the months of peace to grind money and let my lords settle in and build armies and garrisons... I now have nearly a mil and can amass an army of 1250+ I desired more khergit lands to solidify my empires reach across the entire western side of the map so demanded money from a khergit caravan, they declared war and the sarranids and rhodoks saw an opportunity and did too, theyre all about to get dealt with in a few minutes hahaha
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For instance Bannerlord < Warband.
One of many reasons, the feeling you get playing warband like the game has a soul. The companions are likable, the graphics are nothing important really if you see games like Valheim still coming with "outdated graphics" the gameplay is much better. When playing Bannerlord I feel bored right away there is no sensation of adventure unlike Warband. Bannerlord is like a Tesla you know all the technology and 0 - 100 speed and whatever but Warband is like driving an old mustang. Feel free to discuss further with me.
The horse/lance combat in WB was much better than it is now, back then I've felt so much more confident and i could take out dozens of enemies on my own, in bannerlord however, i feel much more vulnerable and i could never possibly take down so many enemies (this is also due to improved ai which is good). I also prefer the BL archery though, feels much more enjoyable than it used to be, but overall for me warband is way more fun combat-wise. Everything else is just better now in Bannerlord.
You can tell the troops to hold a position specifically I wouldn’t know the key because I’ve only played this on console, but you use a flag to specifically place them somewhere.