A physicist, an engineer, and a statistician go on a hunting trip. They are walking through the woods when they spot a deer in a clearing. The physicist calculates the distance of the target, the velocity and drop of the bullet, adjusts his rifle and fires, missing the deer 5 feet to the left. The engineer rolls his eyes. 'You forgot to account for wind. Give it here', he snatches the rifle, licks his finger, and estimates the speed and direction of the wind and fires, missing the deer 5 feet to the right. Suddenly, the statistician claps his hands and yells, "We got him!"
If you watch the video veeeeery carefully, you can see him actually draw his own face first before deleting all other bits and then BOOM!, perfect circle.
That's good to hear I must give credit to our editor Oleh because i actually went full nerd and was explaining all this for at least 20 minutes 😅 He managed to make it short, simple and understandable
While the diameter(moa) of the group is linear to the distance, the size(area) of the group is squared. 1moa at 300yd has approximately 9 times the area of 1moa at 100yd.
Yup, me too, and Ziga explained this extremely well... I'll be saving this video to assist in explaining ⁰/'/" (degrees/minutes/seconds) to any newbies, or indeed ignorant old tw@ts 🙄, who need to be informed of such matters and the relevance of this to real life... Thanks Papa Ziga 😎👍
Holly crap that's freaking awesome! Blue is my favorite sti color!!!! Tell me that's y'all's! Also fantastic explanation of moa, simple and easy to understand
Moa is 1.047". This matters shooting past point blank using the old mixed moa-mil scopes. Holds on a tuned rifle + ammo + optic + turrets cut for known ammo would get trued at a given distance. This would dope the holds using a mildot reticle with moa turrets. Generally with 7.62x51 you're good to 600yds/550m before wind becomes a serious problem. Youre reduced to 400yds/350m with 5.56 before wind pushes you off a man sized target. This is for static targets, not ones moving around. Good to understand the math. Also good to true your holds. Point blank should be understood as the range the total package you are shooting can hit a target without drop. Somewhere in that math is how you setup a reticle so your holds work. If you setup too shallow within point blank distance BDC tends to be something you have to fight or memorize rather than use effortlessly. People tend to shoot military clone gear using surplus or mil clone ammo. They forget that 2-4moa works fine on an 18" wide target. They dont grok how effective distance works when solely concerned with hitting an 18" wide target vs a 1moa "5" scoring area on a 1000yd F class target.
Let me go into "well ackchyually" mode: MOA is actually 1.047 at 100 yards. Not much of a difference, but a difference nonetheless :) Also in terms of accuracy "1 MOA group" is one that fits into a circle that is 1 MOA edge to edge. Area of this circle is π * (radius square) so if radius increases twofold the area increases twofold square, so fourfold, for trippled radius the area increases 9 times and so on. The area of 1MOA does not increaase linearly but geometrically with distance. "well ackchyually" mode off :)
@@batwing-playsLogical fallacy, that's like saying if someone says they don't care about breaking the law, and they break the law, that means they care about breaking the law be narcissistic somewhere else
@@LaughingMan44 You cared about my reply enough to reply to it. Nice you learned the term "logical fallacy" but using it without understanding doesn't automatically win you an argument. It's like argumentum ad verecundiam.
@@batwing-plays midwit narcissism go brrrr. You're that weird creep at the gun store that walks up behind you while you're looking at guns, going on some sort of schizo rant about firearms or ballistics no one asked for
Ah, similar to the 1 in 60 rules that pilots use. 1 degree deviation for 60nm is a 1nm deviation. I wonder how many people realise that boring trigonometry actually rules our lives?
As far as i know MOA is metric, it just uses degrees to measure the angle - as in 360 degrees for a full circle. You are probably thinking about radians and miliradians to measure angle which is mostly in use in Europe and in militaries because the metric system is used and MRAD corelates much better with meters. 1 MRAD at 100 meters is 100mm (10 cm)
Something That I've Taught People For Over 40 years, Just Not That Quick !!!! You Dam Kids and This Interzone's. If It Wasn't for You, I Wowdova Gotten Away With It !!! 😂 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So you are saying that If I am supposed to meet a friend at 1p.m., forget the time and start the 10 minutes of angle journey at 12:55a.m. I will not hit the target because he is to far away? Please confirm, it is 1p.m. now!
Yes, MIL/MRAD scopes - it's a better system for metric and also allows for better functionality regarding ranging and some other tricks. 1 miliradian at 100 meters is 10 cm and most modern scopes have click adjustments that move per 1/10 miliradian which is exactly 1 cm :)
dont want to be that guy, but at double the distance, its not double the cm², its squared the cm².. so 1distance = x cm², 2distance = 4x cm², 3distance = 9x cm²... for a good visual representation, look up "inverse square law"
You are completely correct. I should probably word that differently but what i meant with "double the distance, double the group size" i meant the diameter of grouping not the area
isn't it aorund 29,something mm, so roughly 1,145 small idiot units (not to be confused with small medium idiot units, which is twelve small idiot units, or large medium idiot units, which is three small medium idiot units or 36 small idiot units)?
The British colonies in America waged a war so we could re-write the English language and keep goofy systems of measurement. We also use a decimal point instead of a comma to identify fractional quantities.
Can someone smart dumb this down for me lol. I almost flunked high school cause of math so I need an even simpler version. I’ve been trying to understand MOA lately and a simple answer would really help! Nothing against, Ziga, I’m just dumb lol
Maybe just think of it in terms of accuracy? If your rifle is calibrated to 1 MOA, that means at 100 yards, your rifle should be accurate to 1 inch - you should be able to produce groupings 1 inch in size. Then it goes up another 1 inch for every 100 yards, so at 1,000 yards, a rifle calibrated at 1 MOA will result in it being accurate to within 10 inches - that is, you should be able to a 10 inch grouping when you shoot several rounds through the gun. If your gun is calibrated to 2 MOA, then at 1,000 yards, you'll be able to get a grouping of 20 inches. Does this help at all?
@@jic1 You threw out the 10cm at 100m. Lacks the calculation and what a radiant is. I'm not asking for myself but to have an equivalent to this video. I find it easier to calculate and to adjust.
Probably not because my original explanation was about 20 minutes of explaining everything in too much detail and our editor managed to cut it down to the most important parts 😅
Yes and no. I also prefer the miliradians because it's easier to integrate and use with metric system but much harder and confusing if you want to use it in US - they usually shoot at 100 yards, not 100 meters and use inches. So for them i think MOA makes more sense.
Sweet Mamma Brown ,AINT NOBODY GOT TIME FOR MATH.. I use a Supernatural system. PSALMS 144.1 💥👊🏻💪🙏🏻 that's righ a God guidance system is a must when your throwing love down range.
Just here to say that's a respectable hand drawn circle Ziga's got.
Right?!
Was gonna say the same lol
It's cause he didn't grow up in the American public school system 🤣🤣🤣
A physicist, an engineer, and a statistician go on a hunting trip. They are walking through the woods when they spot a deer in a clearing. The physicist calculates the distance of the target, the velocity and drop of the bullet, adjusts his rifle and fires, missing the deer 5 feet to the left. The engineer rolls his eyes. 'You forgot to account for wind. Give it here', he snatches the rifle, licks his finger, and estimates the speed and direction of the wind and fires, missing the deer 5 feet to the right. Suddenly, the statistician claps his hands and yells, "We got him!"
Thats a nice one 😂 hope you dont mind me stealing it
Žiga teaching math is something i never know that i need in my life. Great explanation and cool t-shirt.
Too little too late for high school!🤣
@@overwatchdesigns8969 🤣
thanks :D
@@PolenarTacticalznas i sam kakav je u americi skolski program, tako jednostavno im je tesko shvatiti matematiku iz osnovne skole 🤣🤣
Are we not gonna talk about that circle Ziga drew without trying?
Except we don't know how many takes he needed...
If you watch the video veeeeery carefully, you can see him actually draw his own face first before deleting all other bits and then BOOM!, perfect circle.
how can someone NOT appreciate that near-perfect circle at 0:15
Short sweet to the point, thanks I'll use this vid to explain moa from now on
One of the/if not The best explanations of this I have seen! 🙂 Good work! 🙂
That's good to hear
I must give credit to our editor Oleh because i actually went full nerd and was explaining all this for at least 20 minutes 😅
He managed to make it short, simple and understandable
Thank you! :)
Nice Impreza!
While the diameter(moa) of the group is linear to the distance, the size(area) of the group is squared.
1moa at 300yd has approximately 9 times the area of 1moa at 100yd.
My dad is a land surveyor and so am I. He taught me this when i was a kid.
Yup, me too, and Ziga explained this extremely well...
I'll be saving this video to assist in explaining ⁰/'/" (degrees/minutes/seconds) to any newbies, or indeed ignorant old tw@ts 🙄, who need to be informed of such matters and the relevance of this to real life...
Thanks Papa Ziga 😎👍
Thanks for explaining. Wishing all the best. Hope that everyone and everything are well.
That's a great explanation to make! Hope the polenar team is having a good day!
Thanks!
We had a fun weekend :)
This is a good explanation, but I'm just here to read the positive message on his shirt. We all need some of that energy sometimes.
Honestly this has been pretty helpful. I always hear moa all the time but it was never fully explained to me. Thanks Ziga. 👍
Holly crap that's freaking awesome! Blue is my favorite sti color!!!! Tell me that's y'all's! Also fantastic explanation of moa, simple and easy to understand
That was a nice circle
Guys can go an hour explaining MOA. Ziga explained it in 2.5 minutes..
Thank you papa Žiga
Bro that circle was nuts
Just when i thought I couldn't love Poppa Polenar more, he has a Subaru wrx sti on the background.
shooter dude explaining geometry, awesome!
He must know what he's talking about, I mean, he keeps his car in a laboratory clean room.
Thank you well explained
Amazing explanation!
Moa is 1.047". This matters shooting past point blank using the old mixed moa-mil scopes. Holds on a tuned rifle + ammo + optic + turrets cut for known ammo would get trued at a given distance. This would dope the holds using a mildot reticle with moa turrets. Generally with 7.62x51 you're good to 600yds/550m before wind becomes a serious problem. Youre reduced to 400yds/350m with 5.56 before wind pushes you off a man sized target. This is for static targets, not ones moving around.
Good to understand the math. Also good to true your holds. Point blank should be understood as the range the total package you are shooting can hit a target without drop. Somewhere in that math is how you setup a reticle so your holds work. If you setup too shallow within point blank distance BDC tends to be something you have to fight or memorize rather than use effortlessly.
People tend to shoot military clone gear using surplus or mil clone ammo. They forget that 2-4moa works fine on an 18" wide target. They dont grok how effective distance works when solely concerned with hitting an 18" wide target vs a 1moa "5" scoring area on a 1000yd F class target.
I see you got that subie. My bro.
Hey that’s a good circle right there.
Good taste in guns and cars. Recall you running a 226 before Arex and having a WR Blue with livery STi
Great video.
Another Great Video💯 Thanks for Sharing 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Thanks great explanation
Glad you liked it
Don't even flex on us with that circle Ziga. Its not fair.
Man, is Žiga bulking up? Are we having a Slovenian Garand Thumb soon? :D
Nice Subaru
Short and clear
Omg thank you for this explanation since thats one of the aspects of shooting that i just didn’t understand.
I never heard a full explaination
I only knew that 1 MOA is a 1" group and 100yards, not how or why it's calculated that way
Nice explanation! So next up, what do you do with MOA? How do you use the concept?
Freehand Circle master ziga who knew
Couldnt stop myself from commenting about the sick ass wrx you got there
Is nobody going to mention the damn subi imp STI he's LEANING THE PAPER ON!?!
One day, we'll start measuring in SOA
hopefully everyone will use MRAD by then...
Nice Subaru.
Outside of the firearms industry, the measure is typically called "minute of arc."
i didnt know that
We need a video about that STi!
Ok we get it, you have a cool sti with sweet rally decals. I know thats why you guys made this video 😏
Brilliant!!!
This should have been a collab with science GT
Mmm, math..... Good explanation. Rather an old shooter here. Cone of fire was the term I recall from my youth.
Let me go into "well ackchyually" mode:
MOA is actually 1.047 at 100 yards. Not much of a difference, but a difference nonetheless :)
Also in terms of accuracy "1 MOA group" is one that fits into a circle that is 1 MOA edge to edge. Area of this circle is π * (radius square) so if radius increases twofold the area increases twofold square, so fourfold, for trippled radius the area increases 9 times and so on.
The area of 1MOA does not increaase linearly but geometrically with distance.
"well ackchyually" mode off :)
WHO CARES
@@LaughingMan44 apparently you do since you replied :)
@@batwing-playsLogical fallacy, that's like saying if someone says they don't care about breaking the law, and they break the law, that means they care about breaking the law
be narcissistic somewhere else
@@LaughingMan44 You cared about my reply enough to reply to it.
Nice you learned the term "logical fallacy" but using it without understanding doesn't automatically win you an argument. It's like argumentum ad verecundiam.
@@batwing-plays midwit narcissism go brrrr. You're that weird creep at the gun store that walks up behind you while you're looking at guns, going on some sort of schizo rant about firearms or ballistics no one asked for
question: 1 moa at 100 yards = all hits inside a circle of 1 inch radius or 1 inch diameter?
1 MOA at 100 yards is a circle with diameter of 1.047 inch
Ah, similar to the 1 in 60 rules that pilots use. 1 degree deviation for 60nm is a 1nm deviation. I wonder how many people realise that boring trigonometry actually rules our lives?
That beautiful WRX STi at the back 👀
Nice car!
DO A MILRAD VIDEO PLEASE
will do
Immediately distracted by the WRX STI in the background and 2 minutes later realized there was maths going on. 😅
Math? What math?... Oh thats what he was doing? I tuned out as soon as the blue disappeared.
Good Žiga impressed, AR.
Can you do it in metric too?
As far as i know MOA is metric, it just uses degrees to measure the angle - as in 360 degrees for a full circle.
You are probably thinking about radians and miliradians to measure angle which is mostly in use in Europe and in militaries because the metric system is used and MRAD corelates much better with meters.
1 MRAD at 100 meters is 100mm (10 cm)
A little trig never hurt anyone...unless you're the target
I'm a 44 yo construction worker and use this. Young guys can't even estimate feet let alone yards or windage
Do you know why women make such crappy carpenters?
They've been told this 👉-----👈 is 12 inches.
Thx jigga 🍻😺
Something That I've Taught People For Over 40 years, Just Not That Quick !!!!
You Dam Kids and This Interzone's. If It Wasn't for You, I Wowdova Gotten Away With It !!! 😂 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish we used radians (400 per a circle) instead of degrees (360) because it would make math simpler in other areas.
I'm in the US and still prefer Mils
"Its not a measure of size at distance"
So what can you measure with it?
"The *size* of your group at a specific *distance* "
Like i explained in the video, it’s a measurement of angle
So you are saying that If I am supposed to meet a friend at 1p.m., forget the time and start the 10 minutes of angle journey at 12:55a.m. I will not hit the target because he is to far away?
Please confirm, it is 1p.m. now!
And approx 3cm at 100m for those of us who do metric. Any scope turrets do 1cm clicks at 100m?
Yes, MIL/MRAD scopes - it's a better system for metric and also allows for better functionality regarding ranging and some other tricks.
1 miliradian at 100 meters is 10 cm and most modern scopes have click adjustments that move per 1/10 miliradian which is exactly 1 cm :)
dont want to be that guy, but at double the distance, its not double the cm², its squared the cm².. so 1distance = x cm², 2distance = 4x cm², 3distance = 9x cm²...
for a good visual representation, look up "inverse square law"
You are completely correct.
I should probably word that differently but what i meant with "double the distance, double the group size" i meant the diameter of grouping not the area
Sorry I got distracted by thr Subie.
Do you by any chance need a vape pen or a headgasket?
isn't it aorund 29,something mm, so roughly 1,145 small idiot units (not to be confused with small medium idiot units, which is twelve small idiot units, or large medium idiot units, which is three small medium idiot units or 36 small idiot units)?
The British colonies in America waged a war so we could re-write the English language and keep goofy systems of measurement. We also use a decimal point instead of a comma to identify fractional quantities.
Can someone smart dumb this down for me lol. I almost flunked high school cause of math so I need an even simpler version. I’ve been trying to understand MOA lately and a simple answer would really help! Nothing against, Ziga, I’m just dumb lol
Maybe just think of it in terms of accuracy? If your rifle is calibrated to 1 MOA, that means at 100 yards, your rifle should be accurate to 1 inch - you should be able to produce groupings 1 inch in size. Then it goes up another 1 inch for every 100 yards, so at 1,000 yards, a rifle calibrated at 1 MOA will result in it being accurate to within 10 inches - that is, you should be able to a 10 inch grouping when you shoot several rounds through the gun. If your gun is calibrated to 2 MOA, then at 1,000 yards, you'll be able to get a grouping of 20 inches. Does this help at all?
@@Jay_Bird Dude that helped a lot, thanks man!
www.darkearthtactical.co.za/blog/understanding-minute-of-angle/
@@PolenarTactical Thanks Ziga!
Is it me or does Ziga look like Peter Sellers with the mustache? 🤔
Loving the new dad stache
Thanks!
It was temporary, just for Lynx Brutality
Aww, it really works!
Though I'd love to see you with a full bushy beard
become our math teacher pls
Now do mil rad too.
I MRAD is 10cm at 100m, I have little doubt that almost any rifle he owns can MRAD all day.
@@jic1
Not everything is about that challenge. I asked for a counterpart to this general moa information.
@@onpsxmember Well, I told you that as well, didn't I?
@@jic1 You threw out the 10cm at 100m. Lacks the calculation and what a radiant is. I'm not asking for myself but to have an equivalent to this video. I find it easier to calculate and to adjust.
@@jic1
Idk what happened to your next comment. I got in my feed and read some of it but not here anymore. Thanks for trying. Damn this site.
Freddie Mercury knows a lot about angles man I like it
If the video is 02:33 long, is this 2.33 moa explained?
Also, nice circles.
I need that shirt, btw. ❤
What is MOA?
*Seal of Asian Approval*
Well done, you should be a teacher
Probably not because my original explanation was about 20 minutes of explaining everything in too much detail and our editor managed to cut it down to the most important parts 😅
nice Subaru
žiga how did you actually do in Math when you were a kid?
mil/mrad > moa because metric system
Yes and no. I also prefer the miliradians because it's easier to integrate and use with metric system but much harder and confusing if you want to use it in US - they usually shoot at 100 yards, not 100 meters and use inches. So for them i think MOA makes more sense.
Why not just sight your scope in at 100 yards to the zero on the target.
That way when you shoot a target at 100 it will hit the middle of the target.
Sweet Mamma Brown ,AINT NOBODY GOT TIME FOR MATH..
I use a Supernatural system. PSALMS 144.1 💥👊🏻💪🙏🏻 that's righ a God guidance system is a must when your throwing love down range.
Zalenszkt can draw!
so this details what MOA is in Tarkov..
088 Ankunding Curve
1 MOA = 1" at 100 y ... this is the feeling you get using the metric system all the time I guess XD
Need the tomorrow will be worse watermelon 🍉 t-shirt 👕😂
Now I want pie 🥧
799 Bashirian Branch
Tan (1/60 deg) = x/100yd
So a shotgun spread is about 100moa? Roughly 100"? That's nearly 2.8yds or 2.6m!
Nolan Lock
Armstrong Cliff
Is that a freakin subaru impreza 4x4?????
Marcella Glens
I think ill stick with my 300blk pistol in short range to cqc engagements
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