Why America is Not a Christian Nation | Ronald Lindsay
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Ron Lindsay, a philosopher (PhD, Georgetown University), lawyer (JD, University of Virginia) and the author of four books. In addition to his books, Lindsay has also written numerous philosophical and legal essays, including the entry on Euthanasia in the “International Encyclopedia of Ethics” (Wiley Blackwell 2013). Ronald A. Lindsay was president and CEO of the Center for Inquiry and of its affiliates, the Council for Secular Humanism and the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. In his spare time, Lindsay plays baseball -- baseball, not softball. The good news is he maintains a batting average near .300; the bad news is his fielding average is not much higher.
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Thank you for pointing this out in OUR CONSTITUTION! Knowledge is POWER . . . Must listen to this video!
And the right LOVES to lecture everyone else about the constitution.
Magadiots will still ignore all the facts since dumpy told them otherwise
I'm not sure the ones who need to hear this have long enough attention spans. But we can break it down into crayons.
@@itsjustme6632it’s been tried, doesn’t work…
@@2crude2crudeofficialband3 Some are listening. I agree some others never will.
This is the best response to the Christian Nationalists I've seen. Thank you for a reasoned, sober statement of the historical facts.
A democracy needs rational bases for debating contending political views. You can’t have one side making rational points and the other saying that an all-powerful but invisible being supports their position. Intelligent debate would be impossible. The video does a great job on explaining this and other reasons why America is not a “Christian Nation”. It could not that and still be a democracy.
Look up the last supper photo, You see the red and blue raiment? They parted his raiment and cast lots. Rational debate doesn't come without moral integrity otherwise you will think a genocidal ideology is acceptable. This is why we have children growing up after their parents raised them and changed their diapers. Then tell them they aren't the gender they know them to be.
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Excellent point that far to few ever mention....
American "christians" never see the obvious in the book of Matthew, chp 25 and The Dude's parable about the sheep and the goats in that American evangelicals are the goats
well, it's _also_ not a democracy actually, so that doesn't really support any argument whatsoever
@@kylezo Wait, are you doing one of those lazy "We're a republic, not a democracy" right wing bumper sticker talking points?
If you need the promise of reward or fear of punishment to be a good person, you'll never actually be one.
AMEN!!!!
They are wrong about this and about most things because they are ignorant and apparently happy to stay that way. But hardly a surprise as they live in an imaginary reality with an imaginary divine best friend.
Perfectly said!
Its scary that they don't trust science; yet put all their faith in trump!
One of the most impactful quotes of that time came from Madison - _"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?"_ Jefferson had a good one too _" "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg."_
other than the fact that God curses the nation for unbelieving disobedience.
@@robertdavidson9674 Because gee, that makes sense for a religion that claims individual responsibility to repent and be saved. Either way, if you live in the US, you're in the wrong country then. Might want to check the 1st amendment to our constitution. Maybe a nice theocracy like Iran would be better.
You're trying to impose your concept of what is right and what is wrong into law just like everybody else under a godless, social contract. With no firm covenant commitment to any standard of justice, you've got endless fighting, anarchy, and ultimately war. Your claim to religious neutrality is fake.
Your religion of alleged neutrality -- where you are your own god determining what is right and wrong -- leads to anarchy. It's a place where people walk into a grocery store, load up a cart and walk out without paying. Or they go on a rampage, loot, burn and destroy other people's businesses, lives and property with no repercussions whatsoever. Iran apparently has more morals than you do. The cops say, why bother, the lawless judge just turns them loose to do it again.
Is that the kind of free-for-all culture you want to live in?
I'm agreeing that the 1787 Constitution is pluralistic and therefore not Christian. It was/is in fact a bloodless coup against the earlier Christian state charters. But I'm challenging your claim to religious neutrality.
This is the concise rebuttal of Christian Nationalism that I've been looking for.
White Christian Nationalism is an ethnocentric ideology that uses the symbols of Christianity to gain political and social power. At the top of its political and social hierarchy is white Christian males. It is not Christianity, which centers on the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ’s teachings are based on loving God and loving your neighbor. If you love your neighbor you won’t see your neighbor as less than yourself or you are superior to your neighbor. “Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” Romans 13:10.Mankind down through the centuries has said he loves God but has not always done what God has said do. In other words man sins, but other men blame God.
Our constitution is non-sectarian, not Secularist which is sectarian.
The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required.
Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.
_"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, _*_it is our boast,_*_ that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_
*-George Washington*
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". _*_The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_*
The guy just skipped right over the Declaration of Independance's mention of God...
Religion makes people act insecure and insane against all others😂
Excellent lecture ... In fact, the Constitution is not only secular by design, but the founders/authors drafted the Establishment Clause to protect The People from the tyranny of Chrisitan nationalism. Consider the monarchy and state established church from and against which we declared independence and fought the Revolutionary War ... we are in the midst of a war in defense of our democracy against this existential Christofascist threat from the militant Christian nationalist right ... we saw it on J6 ... we see it in action every day!
That's right. At that time, everyone was Christian atleast by birth, so there was no question of identitarianism/ identity politics. I like some republicans like Marjorie Taylor-Greene when they advocate for fundamental rights, but not when they advocate for religious hegemony.
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I’m so sick of being saturated with the Christian mythology and hypocrisy!!
I would advise not going to church then.
Lots of things I don't like in the world, but they exist, and I just avoid them when possible or deal with it like an adult.
@@dundid1t4LL
I used to be quietly respectful of the beliefs of others. Then they crossed the line between church and state too many times.
Over and over we have to take these control freaks to court to keep their myths out of public schools.
Now, my own uterus is their property.
If men could get pregnant, there would be abortion clinic next to every bar.
@@dundid1t4LLit's hard to avoid them online. I've watched videos about topics completely unrelated to religion, and there are Fundie Christians in the comments proselytizing and often spamming hate by threatening those with other beliefs with damnation. I've never seen Buddhists or Hindus or even Muslims who do this.
@@dundid1t4LL Than Christians can just stfu when they're not in church but they don't. They're trying to enshrine their silly beliefs into law.
@@dundid1t4LLnothing adult about worshipping a magical sky man. Stfu.
Thank you for saying the obvious that we are not a Christian nation. I am so tired of the assumption that it was a Christian nation.
"Religion Poisons Everything" - Christopher Hitchens
I wouldn't go that far. The founding fathers did see some value and granted churches tax free status and this is not a small thing. Something to be said of traditions, grouped identity, shared experiences.
@@ronnonya Tax free status was granted because churches did a bulk of the charitable work back then like running hospitals, orphanages and soup lines. Nothing about traditions or group identity until it was used as propaganda during the Cold War. How much charitable work of this nature is going on now? The likes of Tony Perkins, Joel Osteen or Kenneth Copeland have never seemed all too interested in sharing their donations with the sick, poor or hungry but much more interested in personal enrichment or political power.
@@deepashtray5605bingo
If u judge others for it.
“Not as much as cigarettes & whiskey, Chris” - God
The original Constitution of the United States that was ratified in 1789 had only ONE REFERENCE TO RELIGION: [Article 6] No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any Office or Public Trust under the United States.
The de facto motto of the United States, adopted as part of the Great Seal of the U.S. by an Act of Congress in 1782, was E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to "In God We Trust".
The ORIGINAL 'Pledge of Allegiance' was written in 1892 by Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy who DID NOT INCLUDE the words "Under God". Those were added by Congress 62 year later (1954).
The U.S. didn't issue Paper Currency until 1861, & 'In God We Trust' didn't appear on it for 96 years (1957).
“As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion" ~ Treaty of Tripoli; initiated under President George Washington, 1796, signed into law by President John Adams, 1797, ratified unanimously by the Senate, 1797, published in full in all 13 states, with no record of complaint or dissent.
"I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was part of the common law.” Thomas Jefferson
“Religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.” James Madison
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” John Adams
"In every country, in every age, the priest has always been hostile to liberty...He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own."
Thomas Jefferson
Founding Father Thomas Paine on Christianity. “The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race, have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion…”
AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED ON "CHRISTIAN VALUES", IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A CHRISTIAN NATION, IT NEVER WILL BE A CHRISTIAN NATION. AMERICA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY. YOUR "FREEDUM OF RELIGION' ENDS WHERE MY CONSTITUTIONAL & BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS, LIBERTIES & PRIVLEGES BEGIN. DON'T LIKE IT, D!3 MAD ABOUT IT.
The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required.
Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.
_"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, _*_it is our boast,_*_ that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_
*-George Washington* (Letter to the Members of the New Jerusalem Church of Baltimore, 27 January 1793)
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". _*_The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_*
@@xjarheadjohnson Wrong. Read the first amendment. "Free exercise thereof"
@@tabo01 Did you read the entire post, or just the first two sentences?
Read the whole post and you will see ALL-3 branches of government have agreed, multiple times throughout U.S. history, _"...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."_
So, if it was not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion, what religion do you suppose it was founded on?
The founding fathers created a government with NO RELIGION, so the citizens living under that government may pursue ANY RELIGION they choose.
Moreover, contrary to popular American folklore, some of the founding fathers DID NOT BELIEVE in the Bible, DID NOT IDENTIFY as Christian & DID NOT CREATE a government based on those values.
In fact, some had an extremely obvious & palpable dislike of it. Just look at the laws they passed, treaties they ratified, the letters they exchanged & the books they published; written, edited & published by the Founding Fathers, themselves.
Publications like, *Age of Reason* or *Reason: The Only Oracle of Man* or *The Jefferson Bible* are good introductions. They are all damning critiques of Christianity.
_"I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism make me one."_
*-Ethan Allen - Reason the Only Oracle of Man*
_“The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun.”_
*- Thomas Paine*
_"...the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding..."_
*- Thomas Jefferson* (Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823)
_"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."_
*- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)*
_“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”_
*-Thomas Jefferson - in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813*
_"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."_
*- Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies.”_
*- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)*
_“There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.”_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (American statesman, diplomat, lawyer, architect, philosopher, Founding Father, 3rd president of the United States)
_“Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”_
*-Letter John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817*
(Published in - The Adams-Jefferson Letters: The Complete Correspondence Between Thomas Jefferson and Abigail and John Adams)
_“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”_
*-James Madison - Letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774*
_"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”_
*-James Madison, Ibid, 1785* (American statesman, diplomat, Founding Father, 4th president of the United States)
_"I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”_
*-George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789*
@@tabo01 Hey dummy, read the whole post before you say "wrong". The free exercise of religion does not constitute any logical argument for a Christian theocracy. The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.
*_"Separation of Church & State"_* Supreme Court rulings, government documents & even the Founding Fathers personal writings, over & over again, link the phrase directly to the 1st Amendment.
That phrase was first quoted from Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists, where he cites the 1st Amendment, when using it.
_“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ _*_thus building a wall of separation between Church & State..._*_ I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural rights in opposition to his social duties.”_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Danbury Letter,’ Jan. 1, 1802) SOURCE: Library of Congress).
That phrase is cited whenever the idea of a secular government is addressed & re-affirmed by our courts, in far more sophisticated ways.
Like so...
On Feb. 10, 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court, citing Jefferson’s views, defined the reach of *_“separation of church and state”_** under the First Amendment.* Justice Hugo Black, writing for a 5-4 majority in *Everson v. Board of Education,* held that _“neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church,”_
ADDING:
_“Neither [entity] can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion."_
_“No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion.”_
*_"Neither a state nor the federal government is permitted to, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa._*_ In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect _*_"a wall of separation between Church and State."_*
The citations go on......
This is a core principle of American Freedom. A government with NO RELIGION, so the citizens living under that government have the freedom to choose ANY belief they deem fit, without government influence.
"Faith" is defined as "belief without evidence".
"Moron" is defined as "person of faith".
See Maitre and Big bang theory.
@@tabo01Get an education! As the bible ironically says; time to put away foolish things!
@@aarone9000over your head. Big bang theory is credited to Maitre, a priest/cosmologist, who brought Einstein around to an expanding universe theory. an th entire field of genetics is often called Mendellian genetics.But if if feeds you ego to think you are smarter than believers, we understand that, too.
Boom 💥
@@aarone9000some of are founding fathers, were deism, most were protestant and I believe,two were catholic from Maryland! America hasn't changed that much! Look at the hate towards catholic and the LDS church! Let people believe what they want! My father was catholic and my mother was not! Their marriage didn't last due to religion! I was called papist from family members on my mother said of the family! How sad! Most christian are what you call cino, period!
One of the best informative video out there
The Rev. John Leland - a leader of the Virginia Baptists and a contemporary of Madison and Jefferson, said (in a July 4th 1802 sermon): “Guard against those men who make a great noise about religion, in choosing representatives. It is electioneering. If they knew the nature and worth of religion, they would not debauch it to such shameful purposes. If pure religion is the criterion to denominate candidates, those who make a noise about it must be rejected; for their wrangle about it, proves that they are void of it."
It's amazing how they can "read" peoples minds from 2000 years ago as long as they can use it for their own advantage!
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Even more amazing is that they always seem to know what their god wants and that he always seems to want what they want! And god seems to hate some people too, just like them! So much for working in mysterious ways.
Gotta love when the people who once purported to be strict Constitutionalists are now the one’s ignoring the Constitution for their own interpretation of the Founder’s intent. 😄
There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. I don't like religion, but contradiction is not a unique flaw with any one group.
@@dundid1t4LL we are talking about hypocrisy not contradiction...check definitions, words matter.
@@dundid1t4LLhypocrisy is certainly not confined to one group. However certain groups in modern society are much more likely than others to be guilty of it. Modern Western Christians are certainly one of those groups. In fact their hypocrisy literally knows no bounds. The amount of mental gymnastics needed for some of the reasoning used to support people like Trump for example is staggering. A man who openly admits to using women as objects of sexual pleasure (grab em by the pussy) as well as being found guilty of sexual misconduct and or rape. A man who has been divorced and marries a woman who was involved in pornography. A man who knows no bounds with the blatant disrespect and vitriol leveled as others. A man who literally mocked a disabled person on live TV. A man who has publicly disparaged our military multiple times and said some pretty heinous stuff with regards to soldiers who found themselves captured, when he himself used any excuse he could to avoid service. I could keep going but my point has been made well enough. If Christians can somehow vend their thought process and values to conform them around Trump...then truly their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Luckily I’m not American and don’t live in America (even though my late father was born in the USA)
But if I was,I would fight against the religious establishment with all my might.
If your father was born here, you’re a citizen. My mother was born here but I wasn’t. I got citizenship at birth, automatically. We are fighting. But for some reason most people think religion is a good thing and they respect delusional thinking. They respect the belief in fairy tale and magic. It’s disgusting.
You would be correct in doing so...
Thank you! Truth must prevail! This discussion is l. . .o. . . n. . . g overdue!
Better late than never.
The Founding Fathers never intended for Religion and Politics to be mixed. They would be turning in their graves as to what is happening in America. The words In God We Trust should be striken from all coins
I'm sure if Christians understood the purpose/truth of why "in God we trust" is on the currency, they would want it removed too.
The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required.
Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.
_"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_
*-George Washington*
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
@@xjarheadjohnson And yet the MAGA Maniacs believe that Trump is the CHOSEN ONE???
For every church there was a tavern. In the taverns were found the volunteers for the revolution. You are more likely to find a great thinker and planner for a free society in a tavern, than in a church. Then the other side of the examination is,... "Have we witnessed , the yearnings for control over government by Christian leaders ?" I would say, not only that, but gross efforts, from a subversive attempt, born from the fear of becoming a minority. But, here we see the deception and the uneducated activity of the modern Christian movement, because anyone who has ever studied spirituality, knows the path leads to being a minority.
I maintain, that Christianity in particular, is actually a military psychological operation, with the usurpation of any organized government as its goal.
And one salient point about the founders, is that they knew things about the bible, that modern christians do not. It was formed and structured using the 36 decans and 20 days. The same 20 days of the first 20 I-Ching hexagrams, and the 20 days of the Maya. The same 20 days represented in the 20 major arcana of the Tarot. Genesis and Exodus in particular are the template for all books in the bible that followed them, and the stories are neither Jewish nor Historical.
This basic point, is what should be taught in every school. The 20 days were never thought of as 'gods", but simply characteristics of a globally known cycle. One that was so threatening to the Catholic armies, that they burned every trace of it in Central America, and forcibly converted the masses, all the while secretly using that 20 day cycle information for themselves, and it continues to this day. I'm a direct descendant of the Greenburgh Guides.
The Doctrine of Discovery is clearly alive and well with this Christian nationalist attack on our democracy!
Whoa!
Started off interesting, then went down some rabbit hole shit there.
The ancient calendars were known throughout all major cultures on earth. The 20 days is the worlds premier cycle, and is known in biology. There is no rabbit hole, but there is a concerted effort to make the obvious seem, intangible. The church uses the 20 day calendar for nearly all ceremonies,.@@dirtydish6642
@@dirtydish6642....not really. If rabbit hole means deep and thoughtful...I'm inclined to agree. If you are saying he's somehow crazy or something...you need to do a little more research on esoteric ideas and concepts. Absolutely nothing he says is "out there" my friend. It just isn't super well known. Look up the 20 I-Ching hexagram and do some reading on it. In fact break the comment down into sections and research whatever you think sounds "rabbit holeish" to you and you may be surprised at what you learn. I had heard of parts and or elements with regards to what he said while reading or watching documentaries on different esoteric, religious and historical subjects. He summarized it pretty well.
I feel Christ was a kind man who traveled and spread kindness and love and the people of that time made him out to be something he was not.
That this is not widely known is... sad.
It's widely known, it's just ignored. Christians will happily lie and cheat to get their way.
Beautifully said 👏
"Mr. Jefferson - build up that wall!"
- Christopher Hitchens -
Have a T-shirt with that.
Treaty ot Tripoli: "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
Yep, signed by John Adams in 1797. America's first treaty and very important historical document.
too soon to say this is criminally underrated, but it will be no doubt. This is fantastic
Finally making a turn towards science, knowledge and advancement. Not chanting and praying to an omnipotent magic man in the sky. Earth bless America!
A good job toward the Continuance of freedom. thank you Ron
Very well stated! This needs to be shared ASAP!
I appreciate your time to explain this and I will definitely pass it along!! ✌️
This is so timely!!! The train to our destruction is already moving and millions are clueless.
People who believe in talking snakes, and a man who can walk on water that later becomes a benevolent zombie come back to absolve them of sin. yes, really.
from a Canadian perspective…
just how the identity of Quebec is attached to the Catholic Church and the identity of the of rest of #Canada is attached to the Anglican Church…
it’s not just the US btw
we (#2Spirit here) get caught up in their erasure karma they hate us pagans bad
they can’t help but cannibalize us energetically once we tell them we’re spiritual
an #indigenous person… spiritual…
it’s like florals for spring dudes…
they can’t perceive that as cultural cleanse tho for some reason
nothing we can do about it either
just accept how everything has to be on their terms all the time 💯% at all cost to ourselves that we aren’t allowed to inform them of
you know how fragile white ppl are or we trigger the wendigo into the “and you think you’ve suffered” cause they erase us and get off to it
#ottawa
The West IS Christendom. If it wasn’t for Christ you wouldn’t even have the internet. It’s the adoption of Christianity that made our civilization the most advanced, powerful, prosperous, and peaceful the world has ever seen. It is our pride and rejection of Christ, and our embrace of neo-paganism that is leading to our decline and will be our ultimate demise. Don’t worry you’ll believe in Hell when you get there. There is evil and there is sin. Trump is not a Christian anymore than George Soros is a Jew. The US indeed is not a Christian country. It was started by Freemasons. When you get up to the higher degrees of masonry it is revealed to you that you are a Luciferian. The mid-level people just think it’s a good way to network. It is the Freemasons, the Communists, and the Satanists who are controlling the Democrat Party, the EU, the UN, the WEF, and to a lesser extent the Republican Party which is scarcely any better than the mentally ill aforementioned Leftist rainbow cult. It is this perverted cult who are responsible for all these disastrous economic policies, the pandemic, the coming pandemic 2, and all the wars of recent memory, including this war they’ve started with Russia that could easily result in most of us being killed as it continues to escalate.
Nah. He had the powers of a lich which is the most powerful form of undead.
Praying for you. Don't cry like a woman when time comes and you see the truth.
Lol. Jesus a fraud.
😂 😂
Power is a dangerous thing. It attracts the WORST and corrupts the BEST.
I'm a Government Teacher. Watching your video. Lol during Econ class (only 9 minutes left lol🙏🏾). We've been talking about the Constitution and some of the foundations. The framers based our government on Enlightenment Philosophies. Not Christianity. In fact, they REJECTED IT pretty much while heatedly. Lol think about it. I'm only like one minute in and I LOVE IT.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" - Opening phrase from the ‘Treaty of Tripoli’, Article 11. This treaty was ratified by a unanimous vote of the 1794 US Senate, and signed by President John Adams.
The very first thing the Founders had to clarify after ratification was, in the form of the First Amendment, that the 'United States of America is not in any way a Christian nation'. Unlike every other nation at the time, it would not favor any religion or denomination over any other, while allowing freedom of any religion for every citizen, whether you are part of the 99% or 1% of the populace who believe the same as you do. It's what made America great then, as it does now.
The Founding Myth, by Andrew L. Seidel.
Great book !
An essential book. Seidel (a constitutional attorney) managed to write a scholarly book that is easy to read. His extensive endnotes and citations are there for the deep dive and fact checking if the reader wants, but they're not necessary for a quick read through. The book is a keeper as a good reference source for further study.
@@RetNemmoc555
Well said Deborah ✌️
Got my signed copy
🖤🖤🖤
America was a freedom of religion, meaning you can worship any religion.
As a Christian myself I have to agree with this.
So, you follow an outdated religion full of lies. Nobody cares. In fact i dont like you by default.
Christian Nationalism is the opposite of Jesus Christ!
This is very very well thought out, structured and presented with clarity. It is by far the best rebuttal to the claim that the USA is a christian nation that I have seen.
The only freedom religious people want, is the freedom to restict and control the freedom of people they don't like and are not part of their "tribe".
When are the contemporary citizens of the USA going to start sorting that aspect of their society out? You have the privilege of voting, but also the apathy to avoid voting. That is truly confounding!
As was pointed out by Margaret Atwood (the author of the "the Handmaid's Tale"), the founders of the United States, while attempting to create a secular nation, were nonetheless building that nation on top of a pre-existing conservative christian culture dating from the colonial era (principally the puritan culture of New England). It was perhaps inevitable that that fanatical christian culture would eventually cause problems.
Freedom FROM religion!
So many words to get to the point of the first clauses of the first amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free practice thereof." The principal of freedom of or freedom from religion is established in the first amendment.
MY GOVERNMENT CLASS IS DEFINITELY WATCHING THIS VIDEO!!!
The colonies were formed largely out of a number of religious entities. As such, no one of the new states wanted the other's religion to dominate. The compromise became the line in 1A: "no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". "establishment of religion" is another way of saying there shall be no national religion, no sect of a faith controlling government as is in other countries, modern day Iran being a prime example.
Beautiful, neat, well-backed and of course, rational statement video. Thank you.
Bravo.
The 1st amendment directly contradicts the 1st commandment.
Checkmate, theocrats.
The fundamentalist fools think the First Amendment means to keep the government out of church affairs, but that it doesn’t mean that the church can’t dictate the government. Yeah, they’re that stupid.
It is clearly stated in the Treaty of Tripoli: Article 11 of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, which declares that “the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,” has long been a fixture of debates over the separation of church and state.
And what is striking about this Treaty us that the Senate ratified it unanimously. Many of those Senators had earlier sat on the convention that created the Constitution.
@@gmansard641 exactly. Can't be any clearer than that, imo.
The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required.
Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.
_"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_
*-George Washington*
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
@@xjarheadjohnson Didn't Washington get a letter from some ministers who were concerned that the Constitution did not endorse any religion? I've heard this but am not sure, I may look around my local university library.
@@gmansard641 Washington advocated for a secular government, just as ALL the Founding Fathers did, regardless of their personal religions.
_"I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”_
*-George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789*
Thank you for this video Americans where taught this in school how much of this was forgotten or just ignored just look at today's republican conservative cult party this is awesome
Wow, what a breath of fresh air at a time whe christian bullies suck the air out ofvthe room.
It's extremely difficult at best to have a rational debate when one of the debating parties base their outlook and philosophy on the irrational. Galileo more of less said it best when referring to a god who would endow one with sense, reason and intellect and expect them to forgo their use.
Thank you for pointing out these important facts. that many people don't seem to understand about this Country. the whole basis of how the founding father's set up the constitution. in the founding of this Country. is because they left religious oppression in Europe. it's amazing that many people don't understand that?
this- and other similarly important videos of this nature - need to be seen by american christians and christians around the world who follow american styled mega churches or even smaller cultish but still american oriented christianity.
Facts
Or just leave them alone as long as they leave us alone
I need to read this book. I've been deep-diving into the Salem witch trials and this would be a good follow-up. Every time I try to look up "identity politics" I find it used as a pejorative applied to progressive ideals, but I have been seeing right-wing politics as products, extensions, and defenses of their own identity.
Religions are cults. Witches never existed.
What people say and what people do are not always the same. I am a Christian: I follow Jesus. I am a sinner. I follow my own idea of what I need and want. Being a Christian has changed what I think I need and want, but I always take the bridge to get across the river. I do not even try to walk on water. I am a man created by God. I am not perfect.
This ought to be shown in every classroom. Bravo.
No leave religion out of school
The statue of Liberty says it all. Send us your poor, hungry and your homeless. It did not say send your Christians. They left Europe to escape the monarch.
Any person who reads the constitution knows that its First Amendment states quite clearly, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Within just the first confines of this important clause it is clear that the founders had determined that the government, be it federal or state, has no right to establish a state religion that dominates all others or that the government can restrict the rights of people to practice their faiths. As such, the idea of a Christian Nation would be an attack against the very constitution that denies such a status quo.
Once you can convince someone to accept the imaginary you can get them to accept anything.
Here's some points to make when people bring this up:
The original constitution of the United States was ratified in 1789 had only one reference to religion. In Article 6: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
The de facto moto of the United States adopted as part of The Great Seal of The United States by an act of Congress in 1792 was "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to "In God We Trust."
The original Pledge of Alligence was written in 1892 by Baptist minister Francis Bellamy who did not include the words "under God". These were added 62 years later (1954) by Congress.
The United States didn't issue paper currency until 1861 and "In God We Trust" didn't appear on it for 96 years (1957).
"I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another." Thomas Jefferson, 1799
[Thomas Jefferson was an American statesman, diplomat, lawyer, architect, philosopher, and Founding Father who served as the president of the United States from 1801 to 1809. He was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.]
"Christianity neither is nor ever was part of the common law." Thomas Jefferson
"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together." James Madison
[James Madison was an American statesman, diplomat, and Founding Father who served as the fourth president of the United States from 1809 to 1817. Madison was popularly acclaimed the "Father of the Constitution" for his pivotal role in drafting and promoting the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights.]
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." John Adams
[John Adams was an American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, and Founding Father who served as the second president of the United States from 1797 to 1801. Before his presidency, he was a leader of the American Revolution that achieved independence from Great Britain.]
In the "Treaty of Tripoli" initiated under President George Washington in 1796 this sentence appeared: "As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was signed into law by President John Adams in 1797, ratified unanimously by the Senate in 1797, and published in all 13 states with no record of complaint or decent.
"In every country, in every age, the priest has always been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." Thomas Jefferson
"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race, have had their origin in this thing called revelation or revealed religion." Thomas Paine on Christianity
[Thomas Paine was an English-born American Founding Father, political activist, philosopher, political theorist, and revolutionary. 1737-1809]
How come the political system doesn’t offer up more people like this? Instead of the rubbish that is put before us and we are asked…..Choose one!
We are the political system, we aĺlow others to pick and choose for us.
Beyond the separation of church and state (the state will not create a religion or prefer one religion over others) we have freedom of religion to worship freely means we are also free from religion and free from worshiping at anything all.
That's right.....
The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required.
Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.
_"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_
*-George Washington*
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
This is a good video. Thank you
Thank you. ☮️💟
I'm an atheist, but I have to say that I wish it was true that when you die... you got to go to a place you'd see your lost loved ones. I just lost the love of my life in April to heart failure... she only just turned 33. To see her again? I'd give anything. Losing loved ones like that, and the concept of them just being "gone" is exactly what's given the motivation for religion ever since the dawn of humanity. Just sad that something that started out of love for our passed on friends/family turned into something that causes so much pain and death in the world.
An excellent presentation. I agree whole heartedly. One of the difficulties in ending slavery is that slavery created wealth. The wealth supported the political power of the slave owners.
STILL DOES born out of the grape of my andestors who get accused of playing “the race card” till this day. Evil beyond words…
Absolutely brilliant historical & philosophical analysis. Respect!
As an independent, secular philosopher & history scholar, hearing the objective truth spoken so eloquently & honestly is a breath of fresh air.
It isn't just Christian Nationalism that is a direct threat & insidious obstacle to freedom & liberty, it is the oppressive & authoritarian fundamental nature of religion itself, including Christianity.
Religion has always been about mind control, not the truth or freedom. And certainly not about personal freedoms or autonomy.
I look forward to another modern Age of Enlightenment or Age of Reason where humanity can hopefully escape the mental trappings of religion once & for all.
Where freedom, liberty, empathy, reason, logic, science & love of all can be guiding principles for humanity, instead of religious dogma.
I know that may sound like wishful thinking but it's still something important to strive for, regardless of the odds against it.
"The only way to deal with a unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." - Albert Camus
If it hasn’t already been mentioned, “The Age of Reason” by Thomas Paine is a good read.
Jefferson and Adams were Unitarians (note "the Jefferson Bible"). Franklin was a Deist. Benjamin Rush a universalist. In terms of the new state, they sought to found it on Enlightenment principles. If I recall it's Franklin who persuades Jefferson to adopt the phrase "we hold these truths to be self-evident", i.e. not based on Biblical revelation.
The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required.
Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.
_"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_
*-George Washington*
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
Truth is only accepted when it already conforms to your prior beliefs. Now, of course, there are people who can update their beliefs in real and meaningful ways, but these people are the exception, not the rule. Most will just dismiss information that goes against their existing worldview and even double down. They're part of a group which feels good and no one wants to look in the mirror or lay in bed at night and have to admit, Hey, I've been wrong about some very important issues. Who wants to acknowledge they wasted years of their lives on wrong beliefs? Most people will just rationalize the truth away and just continue down the same road. It is much easier on the ego. Plus it can also have real world and dire consequences on society when so many people are deluded about some very important matters.
There are two types of people: 1) Those who desire Truth - without prejudice - who are the wise minority of us, and 2) Those who desire Truth to be what-they-desire-Truth-to-be, which is the OPPOSITE of desiring Truth, because it is the desire to LIMIT Truth. And the cause of the difference between these two groups is simple: FEAR. Group (2) is fearful and tries to ally its fears by lying to itself. In seeking a sense of security they actually DESTROY their security, as NAZI Germans did and as Trump Republicans are now doing.
Whether or not America was ever a Christian Nation, "Christian Nationalists" aren't even Christians. They are the opposite; anti-Christians, as illustrated by their words and deeds. And I should know. I'm the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah.
Jesus Christ is a bleeding-heart liberal, "GOD is love," and everything that "conservative" Christian Nationalists do is born of FEAR, which is the OPPOSITE of love. Christian Nationalists are part of the rise of the anti-Christ, which the bible tells them will gain power before the "Second Coming." And power is what they seek, so they would KNOW that they are part of the rise of the anti-Christ....if they weren't experts at lying to themselves, as the fearful do. And that's the way it is.
I am a devout Christian and retired minister. I thank God we do not live in a theocracy. I see those. They are terrifying.
Why are so many devout Christian’s following Trump? I just can’t understand what they see in him. Help us devout nonbelievers understand? Who is teaching this hogwash from a pulpit?
@@docjaramillo i don't think that answer has to do with religion it more so the want of a strong man to punish the "undesirables." Its not a religion thing its facism.
I’m surprised he didn’t mention that most of the founding fathers were Diest. It would’ve truly bolstered his point.
They all grew up in a christian family, followed all Christian doctrine, and raised thier children the same way.
But sure.. keep saying that didn't affect them and Thier morality.
@@user-nf2yj5td7lyour religion does NOT have a monopoly on morals. you people have no morals to begin with.
@@user-nf2yj5td7l Then they became adults & most discarded those doctrines.
_“It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.”_
*- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason*
_"The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."_
*- Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man*
It was during Bush Jr when i began my journey out of Christianity, and into Buddhism
You had a journey?
This was an EXCELLENT video.
Don’t forget, separation of church and state.
This was an excellent breakdown.
Lauren Boebert says she's, "tired of this separation of church and state junk. The church directs the government." This is how fucked up the GOP has become.
Gropert's IQ is right around the same as her bust measurement.
I wouldn't argue much with the proposition that the early US was a Christian culture, and sometimes that is what Christian mean when they say we're a Christian nation. The Christian culture is less dominant in our culture today than it was in the beginning but the Christian cultural ethos remains strong.
The government has always been secular and hopefully it remains that way.
Simply mentioning God in a document doesn’t mean the document is Christian
The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required.
Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.
_"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_
*-George Washington*
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
When Judeo-Christian traditions come in conflict with Greco-Roman Law, the law wins. Separation of Church and State is good for the church and the state.
Significantly, the founding fathers were dead set against it.
The social and cultural influence of Christianity on American history is significant.
But the Constitition did not spring from the Bible. The only mention of religion is exclusionary (No Religious Tests). And, the Declaration's references to a Creator, God of Nature, and Supreme Judge of the World are not even specifically Christian. We may well argue that it's referring to three gods.
If brought up for judicial review, most of the Ten Commandments would be unconstitutional.
Thank you for that. I remember Thomas Jefferson compiling a book of his own pulling from the Bible strictly the sayings of Jesus himself. He was a great enlightenment thinker despite his owning slaves.😢
I need toilet paper. Who has a bible?
It's populist in nature. Church is nice. The people at Church are nice. Being part of a church is nice. With that mindset, its no suprise why people would want to extend their churches to a national level.
Exactly the mindset I thankfully got rid of
Christ was asked by the 12 what was the greatest commandment? Christ replied love one another ❤️
Nobody needs a weekly book club to be a decent person who contributes to human flourishing.
Beautiful video.
That's the history of the nation - the USA has been a Christian nation.
No such declaration in founding documents, but in the hearts of the Founders and subsequent citizens.
We still do, after all, include the words "In God we Trust" appearing on
our currency. That alone, however doesn't mean the nation is specifically Christian. That's just the predominant history, until the last half century or so, when at some point along the way, it became more popular to be an atheist, or at least a religion which is not Christianity.
Thomas Jefferson specifically wrote a into the first amendment the separation of church and state. Christofascists will claim that wasn't what he meant and that what he wrote in a letter doesn't mean what he was saying. The letter explained exactly what he meant but evidence and facts tend to get in the way of propaganda.
Even Christian groups of the time did not want a religious government, they wanted to pursue their own form of Christianity. Two of those groups were the Amish who had a dress code and the Quakers who had a high level of belief in individual pursuit of G-dhead. There were the Shakers, who included snakes 🐍 in their ceremonies but they may be a later era (haven’t check since they’re dying out). The Spiritualists show up about 1860s but may be earlier; their practices include astrology and seances. There is the Free Thinker Movement which dates back to the 1820s or a bit later. Religious commune movements that dominate the 1840s. All of which is why the United States 🇺🇸 was seen as a country that supported religious freedom. In the 1700s, Freemasons dominate religious communities and account for many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence.
Very well explained about the enlightenment movement, our government was absolutely adamant of separation of church and state with that the individual personal religious beliefs actually flourished with the separation of church and state.If those religious zealots of any kind of cult had thier way,we might as well be called a theocracy like Iran that to me would be terrifying.Being judged by priests that could be sentencing you to death because one may question if the eath is round and not flat.
Religion can be organized Stockholm's syndrome.
Not my quote but I thought it was well phrased..."America is not a Christian nation. America is a nation where you are free to be Christian."
AMEN BROTHER - You’re right on!
Tom Holland's makes the case that secularism is actually a Christian value. Traditionally, most religions did not think of themselves as "religions" nor did they draw a distinction between religious & secular spheres. After hearing Tom Holland's persuasive analysis, I think that the claim that secularism emerged spontaneously in the Renaissance or Enlightenment is a pretty shallow take. A more effective argument against state-sponsored Christianity for persuading religious Christians is that their idea of a religious government is a betrayal of their own tradition. Secularists should at least familiarize themselves with Tom Holland's arguments.
Well said!
Religion has its place but it isnt in the spiritual health of a democratic nation
Thank you