Build a Server From Old Gaming Parts
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Surfing eBay for used server gear is a ton of fun, but it's also not for everyone. Sometimes you just want to run a couple services without the need for a server rack, and without the noise. Today, we're going to turn old gaming PC parts into a brand new server to do just that, with 12TB of storage and all in a quiet box you can set anywhere.
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This is exactly how I started its such a good use for old hardware that turns into such an expensive interest
Still running a i7-3770s in my home server lol
Server building is just like drugs.
Same
@@TheRogueBro lol. Same here. Lol
Cheaper than most of my past relationships or cars
2:28 "What is my purpose?"
Jeff: You hold storage...
Robot: "Oh my God..."
This is exactly how I got started with a home lab. Early in my career, I gathered a bunch of spare hardware I had lying around, put Linux on it, and ran it headless for years. Allowed me to learn and experiment with so much, and allowed me to move forward with my career to the point I could afford more purpose built systems.
I am doing this right now. I have a intel i7-4770k , 32gb of 1866 ddr3 and a z87 motherboard. I added a sas 3 card in IT mode and picked up 5 10tb arsenal sas drives for $143 each. I am currently in the process of transferring the content from my heap of random hard drives to the server. It takes a long time.
After a lot of deliberation and playing with proxmox, ubuntu server, truenas and unraid on an older laptop, I settled on unraid. Once my data is transferred, I will be clearing off the good hard drives I have left over and adding them to the array. I went with sas because I wanted something forward compatible in case my home server really takes off and requires an upgrade. I really appreciate your guides they have been very helpful.
11:34 You heard him! Light him up!
Nah, but actually Jeff, thanks for all the videos, man. They're always fun.
I have a shelf of old gaming pc's running as a cluster lol
At a certain you start to wonder if it wouldn't be easier to consolidate them all into one modern real server
But then you kinda want a rack you know cause that's where server chassis' go
But then you have this whole rack all empty except for one lonely server
And it's lonely in there....
Felt and heard. Stay strong.
And then you buy it anyways and end up just expanding and using them all instead of replacing anything lol
I'm doing something similar, though my hardware is a bit older. I'm cobbling together an Intel Core i7-5775C on a Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming GT with 16GB of DDR3-2400, hooking the Z97 chipset's six SATA ports up to a matching number of Seagate Ironwolf 8TB NAS drives, and then running Proxmox on top. Within Proxmox I'll be running OPNSense for internal networking, TrueNAS Scale (yes I know it can also function as a hypervisor in place of Proxmox) with the Intel SATA controller passed through and the NAS drives in RAIDZ2, a Plex container that I'll try to pass the Iris Pro 6200 iGPU through to so I can get hardware encoding and HDR tonemapping working without a dedicated GPU, and it'll also run a bunch of game servers for me and my friends.
This is my first serious foray into trying to have a dedicated machine running on the regular after I started tinkering around with this stuff on an i7-3770 a couple of years ago. It's not ideal and hardly the most capable platform in the world, but I didn't want to rush out to buy heaps of hardware beyond the NAS drives so I am limited by what I have on hand, and I don't want to run more than one box because electricity is expensive and I don't have a ton of room in the apartment I live in.
Ah, the elusive Broadwell with e-dram...
A bit low on RAM for running TrueNAS and Proxmox. I'm doing something similar and I gave the hard drive controller to TrueNAS. How do you plan for Proxmox to provide storage for the VMs?
@@wayland7150 The board I'm using has a second SATA controller with two ports, which I'll have an SSD plugged into for Proxmox to boot off of. I can add another mechanical drive as well if I need to.
Fair point on RAM but it's all I have right now. I might swap the kit out for a higher capacity, lower speed kit in future just because I don't think my odds of finding a set that matches mine these days are high.
Got a few things here
- First, the ad. I'm not sure what they are giving you but it's not enough, I think this is one of your best.
- This is great content and exactly how I got started. I went a different direction by jumping into Linux but I agree that if gaming is in any way something you want to do, Linus showed us all to save the time and stick to windows (for now).
- Not gonna fry you for not doing Linux as you have done us well appreciate the truenas scale video
- In general, really appreciate the content, and thank for your efforts.
The CHER folder contents had me rolling. Nicely done!
7:56 "I'm simply going to create a new folder on it named Cher" lol
If I could turn back time to 7:56.
The only drawback about using a gaming computer for a server though, is idle power consumption. If the hardware is modern enough, it'll have the low power C-states for when it's idle, but if you go back six or more years, a lot of these things will run full tilt even when idle. Especially if you use older AMD processors.
Too true, may be as an intro to the Server space, it would just be a sandbox before more a appropriate is used. My i3-9100 + SuperMicro sips power, unfortunately my Xeon 1650v4 does not :-/
The ultra-low idle power came with Haswell and that's already 9 years old. Having said that, previous generations aren't bad either. My i5-3350p idles at around 8 watts.
Done this for years. So worth it. Sadly it has graduated to a point i needed better CPU/memory than my main machine....
I can relate to that. I was having issues with the ram filling up and breaking my games so I swapped the ram from my gaming pc to the server 🙃
I did something similar, but my server is in a tower. I'm running Unraid on an AMD Phenom 2 x4 965 with 32GB RAM and 17TB (9TB usable) of space with one parity drive. All packed inside a Cooler Master HAF932 that has been modified to accommodate up to 14 hard drives.
:). She's a bit aged, but she does the job very well.
The best way to get started with an x86 home server is to buy a ~5 year old ebay laptop (or dig your old laptop out of the closet), something old enough to be cheap but new enough to be fairly powerful. You have built-in KVM, battery backup power, gigabit network port, several USB ports, & WiFi. An energy efficient but still moderately powerful CPU, with much quieter fans than a rack server. Typically, they have hardware virtualization support you can enable in BIOS. A lightweight but viable GPU, saving you from the scalper prices. Often a pair of SSD bays, or an SSD bay and NVME drive slot. 8 GB to 16GB of RAM. Used business grade laptops generally have sturdier build quality, more IO, and room for a second drive.
Buying a $200 used ebay laptop is going to be cheaper and more performant than adding all that aftermarket to a Pi or other SBC, assuming you can even find a Pi for sale, and way quieter and lower energy costs than a rack server, and take way less space than towers. If you want a home cluster, use a baker's bun rack as server rack, and fill the bun trays with laptops.
Laptops with a DVD drive can also be converted to have a second SATA bay, which is good to know when searching around!
2 years later I am looking for a space efficient way to rackmount and then virtualize my current pc. This case seems to be still in production as a Chenbro RM24100. But I was struggeling to find a decent ATX power supply with front to back airflow. The tip to use a SFX-Power supply instead saved me on going the route to a 2U Server! You might have saved me 2U here, thanks!
That server setup you made is almost exactly the setup I had for my previous PC--Ryzen 7 1700, a 1070 (not ti), 32 GB of RAM, and a B350. Almost wish I hadn't sold it now, lol.
The best type of server, the ultimate budget machine :)
i think it's not ultimate budget.
I appreciate you are showing this setup with Windows; a lot of new users into the NAS space will just want to set aside their old gear for this and might not be comfortable installing / reconfiguring everything with TrueNAS, unraid, or similar linux distros. I can people doing that once they want to get more out of their systems, but just setting up a basic NAS on windows is most home enthusiasts first steps I feel like.
My server is built in a Fractal Design Node 804. It's a relatively small footprint (uATX) but it can hold 8 3.5" drives. I'm using it as an Emby server/Minecraft server/MDT deployment server.
I just started with an FX-4100 8gb ram. An old quadro und psu i had. Just bought a case and some storage. And its real fun
The Cher share is my new standard. Thanks man.
When Jeff's 'beginners server' is better than my current gaming PC 🤣🤣🤣
3 days ago I installed Proxmox for the first time on an old Dell Optiplex 9020 to fool around with. Today my first 1U HP D360 G7 turned up and it's all your fault! Between guitars and gaming my finances were already taking a battering :D Thanks for your content, it's so incredibly helpful getting started with all of this. I know between you and TechTim I'm covered.
G7? You'll regret that once you get your power bill. Having said that, it's still better than the G4 I once ran at home. That one idled at 200w.
I definitely run older gaming hardware as my home server, I just finished building a cabinet to rack all my infrastructure hardware including that server.
I do find it humorous that you describe that 1070 as old and ready for a server role encoding media while I run a 1060 myself as my blazing fast gaming GPU hahha.
There have been two more GPU generations since then, not that ordinary folk can buy them yet though.
@@wayland7150 yes, I was more or less making a joke based on that information. The fact that "old hardware" relegated to tasks such as this are still the majority use case for current gaming hardware 🤣
Some serious Mario kart vibes going on with that background music. Love it.
Yup. This perfectly describes my home server. I've got a 5900x 32gb ram and a 6700xt in an H1 with an 8tb drive for media and 500gb ssd for game servers and such. I just remote in and all my friends can join. Kinda overbuilt for the number of friends I have but thats fine
my first two "servers" i got were a pair of socket 478 pentium 4 workstations from a private school near me. ended up running server 2003 R2 on them and learning RRAS, AD DS, and some intermediate networking stuff on there, while being able to set up a PPTP vpn, fileshare, webserver, and a vent server for me and the homies to share games and play "lan only" games together. reduce reuse recycle!
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No old hardware but a hell of a gaming machine.
Awesome intro: “here it is, the gamer in it’s natural habitat”. For a moment I actually thought I was watching a discovery channel documentary. Lol
Sponsor add got an immediate sub from me! Great stuff.
Me: going to repurpose my old gaming pc into a truenas scale in the coming days
Jeff today:
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A Ryzen chip being referred to as "old" makes me feel like I need to order myself a cane from Amazon, :p
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istarusa is the best option for racking desktop hardware. over the past several years I've moved all the computers in my house into rack case, and 5/6 of the cases are from them. the rails are universal, everything's cheap, and they have shorter depth cases which will fit in racks intended for audio gear.
My (plex) server, which is on its third iteration, has been literally screwed to the wall at work. Motherboard,CPU,RAM anyway, It started off as a lowly Dual Core Pentium with 4x2TB WD Green HD's back in 2011 and a crappy RocketRaid controller. 2nd iteration was a 2nd gen i7, and 4x8TB Seagate's... Running Windows this whole time. Storage Spaces has worked well. Learned a lesson upgrading to 4x14TB HD;s and Cluster Size and why it matters. Its now a 8th Gen i5. Let me know if you's like Pics. Its been a great server.
WD Green, my god, those are the worst. Storage Spaces is very interesting technology.
I run TrueNAS from an old Laptop Mainboard with Turion X2. Tweaked governors to turn the fans almost silent. 10 yrs ago :P
As a fan of your content, I am hereby asking nicely for a tutorial on running Docker in Windows using Windows Subsystem for Linux. As an absolute noob regarding anything involving Docker, it'd be nice to get my feet wet in an OS environment I'm more used to. I know Linux...but I don't exactly KNOW Linux, if you catch my drift.
i did this exactly when i started my first home server build on a core2quad q6600 with 8 gb of ddr2 ram and two 4 TB wd purple drives and a 120GB sata ssd. Build it in a tower though instead of a rack mounted chassis. Gave it to a friend after i moved to i7 6700 for my home server which i am still using now. Each time i upgrade my gaming system the old parts become my new server now.
Picked up a pair of surplus PC's from work one day and it's all downhill from there
That RAM is seeking Jamaharon.
I just repurposed my old gaming rig as a truenas box this morning lol. The good old fx8350 and gtx760 have been pulled from retirement and are back on the network.
Your old gaming Pc is so much better then Mine actual Gaming Pc! Im Sad...
Quick Rett! Run to the garage to pick up some hardware!
I want to build a garage that I'm going to use as a man cave but in one corner there's going to be a server network switch and more and set up a nice man cave for ot
Thats how we all started is it not? My first Server... An Olivetti 8086 (yes it is not missing a 2,3 or 4 or 5 for that matter. NOT 286, NOT386...but 086!) with 640kb ram. 1x720kb 3½ floppy and a 20 meg HDD.
It had an issue serving though... It had no network card and I never obtained one, as they did not exist within the budget of a 10 year old. So my first server was a total flop!
Thats a cool build! My main server is Truenas Scale on Ryzen 1700.
A wsl docker tutorial would be awesome
I've built my first PFSense router using a Rosewill 2U Chassis, Xeon 10 Core processor, 16Gb of DDR4 memory and all is running great. Temps are stable at 43*C. It runs 24/7 as a router should. Now my next project coming up is building a "Modular" 44U Server Rack. Simply put ... A Server Rack that can be split into two 22U parts then add a table top and now you have a work bench with the ability to hold server chassis or add drawers for storage ... I will be building two server racks. One for me and one I will give to a YT Techie who can review and give me feedback on the design. (wink wink Jeff, Kyle, Jason or others).
Thanks for Cher-ing!
I was listening to the video, and when you said make a folder named Cher, I hoped, HOPED that you made the joke you did. :)
Do you believe in data loss.... data loas... data loss...
when old gaming parts are whats in my main pc
I use a Fractal Design Node 804 for my home server. Looks nice in the wiring closet and has a lot of room for storage.
Jeez, that viper advert is gold
Hey man, can you make video about what to use to benchmark NAS? To see I assume random and sequential performance and what not. To have some solid proof of performance in hand.
same. i been running my services with my old gaming pc parts running proxmox. It is so worth it. The electric bill is way cheaper than paying cloud services/hosting sites monthly..
I’ve been dabbling in using older hardware for a server for a bit now, mostly just for Plex. I’ve always just used off the shelf consumer parts, I’ve never had actual “server” hardware. I literally just finished upgrading my server with “new” old hardware. My upgrade was, I went from an i7 4790 with a Jgingyue h97 board with 32gb of team ddr3, to a ryzen 7 2700x with a gigabyte b450m ds3h with 64gb of leven sinba ddr4. I reused the same gpu, Quadro M2000. I’d like to upgrade that to an Rtx 4000 but with prices what they are that’s not gonna happen anytime soon.
This is what I did Jeff!!! I used my old gaming PC as a server!
Asking nicely for you to do your magic and make a docker video
I have a CD coaster made from a misburned PS1 backup. I wore the surfaces out and it’s just a transparent piece of plastic,
I'm commenting before I watch the video, but I saw the title and laughed a little. I'm using my old 1700X with 48 GB of cheap G Skill ram I found on amazon to host all my stuff in proxmox. It's a really nice machine, and the AMD CPU means I can use my 1070 for Jellyfin transcoding via IOMMU (plus the patch driver to unlock the NVENC streams :)). I also run TrueNAS inside a VM which is definitely not optimal, but hey, it works. Lol
If your like me, the 1700x was just a stop-gap to wait the few months before Ryzen 3700x launched
@@Celician83 It was actually an upgrade from a 2600K, which was a major improvement. Though, going from the 1700X to the 3950X made me realize how bad the 1700X was for games. Zen 2 still has some problems, but yeah.
@@DarkSwordsman yeah, I had stability issues with my 1700x because I THOUGHT I was buying Samsung B-die RAM, but my Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro sticks were 1 revision off, and I got Hynix CJR, which does NOT play well with first gen Ryzen. Upgrading to the 3700x solved every stability issue I had, and doubled the performance.
Dont feel too bad though, my 1700x was an upgrade from my Phenom II 1090T BE
I'm beginning to realise that TrueNAS inside a Proxmox VM is a bad thing to do. I really don't like the way I have my RYZEN 2700 64GB with 8x 3TB SAS drives. Really not the right operating system setup.
Heart of my plex server is Athlon II X3 460 on a Gigabyte 790GP DDR2 motherboard.
Please do the video on docker containers :)
I would love to have a tutorial for a Windows 10 server also running Docker. I wanted to run Nextcloud and other things in Docker.
I just bought a dell poweredge r720 for 250 on ebay, won't show up till thursday, but I'm pretty excited. I was using a amd 3600 with a 8 bay external usb enclosure, but one of the bays died and the price to replace it was nearly the same as just buying a old server.
Wow, being an old timer (and I am olderrr) I have to say, "What?", because even though I can do this with a push or more like a shove, will be needed for me to grasp, or better yet in a more descriptive tone, "I will have to be dragged to the future where you are. Now back to reality. I've been doing this for years (Windows 98 or so it seems) except the majority of my "Stash" is on many outdated hard drives (but no older than Sata2), on several large Back-up USB 3 drives and spread across several Large desktop Computers for redundancy. I do confess Windows Enterprise never entered my mind, I simply use Windows Pro or Linux and manage to use these OS's together, for the most part. I can't say I actually grasp what you are saying, but I am willing to learn. I hope you show more on this and hopefully a Linux, "Olive Branch" to the future Videos. Thank you once again, for some insight. on things to come. You know those shirts sure look good
05:10 that GPU too OP for server
Hahaha. Loved the Viper sponsorship.
I'm running my old FX-6300 and R9-280 as my server, mostly Syncthing,Borgbackup,Apache,Transmission,Folding at Home and few custom software. Works wonderfully but during hot summer months heat output is bit much, I also have Pi2B running PiHole and I might move essential software to it and leave the FX-6300 based system for winter time FaH based heating and extra backup.
I don't know what you need an R9-280 in that for but you could switch it to a R5-340 for £15 and still pass it through to a VM. That would cut down on heat.
@@wayland7150 FaH is using OpenCL so that uses a GPU but even without GPU running the system still draws around 100W With GPU it uses around double that but 100W continuous is still a lot during summer so that why I'm thinking of the Pi and just dropping FaH when heat is not needed.
With electricity prices skyrocketing lately, I am in need of an embedded ARM or RISC-V system with 10GBe, 4x SATA (For SSDs), 1xHDMI 1080p60, USB 3.0, capable of running a file server, PiHole and Unbound while only consuming less than 10W Idle. Preferrably even less than 5W. I couldn't find something yet. Native I2C would also be nice for reading some sensors or driving a tiny OLED.
I am currently running a Raspberry Pi, where I tried to connect a Seagate Barracuda 2TB SSD using an adapter via USB 3.0 (SATA) to it. Read performance is low with 300 MByte/s and write performance is non-existent (3 MByte/s)... At least I can store small files on it's SD-Card share now and it consumes about 3.8 Watts running the above mentioned 3 services.
Edit: I am also running a simple Python webserver for an ESP weather station I've made.
If you buy one of those desktop PCs that are sort of fake because they run off a laptop PSU you can build a server in that. They have some weak AMD CPU normally found in a laptop and because they make rubbish PCs they go cheap. I watched a server build in one recently. Not 10 watts but more like 60 watts at full speed but a lot better than 300 watts a server would use.
technically raid is a backup you just need a separate backup for your backup
Come on now. You know we only need a server to run Minecraft. :-P Seriously though. Thank you for these videos. Some of them have been really useful (like the Pi-hole one with the self-hosted DNS) and they're always entertaining.
Videos on things you could do with WSL2 would be very interesting to watch!
"Click on Share.. no, not that one!" 🤣
Craft Computing, You owe me a beer for the that "Cher" pun segment.
Or at the very least, review my country's beers: Stag, Carib, Carib Pilsner, Carib BLU
I know some similar cases, built a number of them when I worked for an ISP in California. Most of the machines were AMD, like FX-6300, but some were Atom CPUs.
I did something similar. I just put in a 4-port lan card and some more ram (up to 32 GB from the 16 GB it had). I also had to trade my i7-4770K for an i7-4790K (because for some reason 4770K is virtualization-locked....i hate you intel). Now running proxmox hosting trunas-scale, opnsense, windows 11 (i normally run a linux desktop on my main pc), multiple LXC containers and a whole bunch of linux VMs for learning and tinkering.
Asking nicely for the docker version
I like to imagine Jeff going to a liquor or grocery store, pulling up a spreadsheet on his phone, and cross checking every can or bottle available in singles with the list, grabbing any new ones and filling up a cart.
......yes
i bought 6x of the 12tb arsnenl drives, slapped in a raid 5 and they are taking their sweet old time building the array and my 10gb direct connections are taking their sweet old time :(
That was on hell sponsor ad 😅. You put a lot of work into that and it shows
How I started. Now I have a 16u wall mount 32" rack. And a 6u vertical wall mount rack.
Everyone thinks it will never get that bad. Have you tried tapering off by going Raspberry PI?
Careful with that Horga'hn. People might get the wrong impression. 😉
Basically what I did a year ago. A guide on something simply stupid like how to remote into another PC on your network could be helpful. I had an absolute nightmare trying to set it up.
Half of my home servers at this point are just my old desktop PCs. Most of my others are indeed used server parts off of ebay XD. Theres a couple I've built new, but those are relatively special-purpose.
This is similar to my first setup, Xeon E3-1230 V2, 16GB of RAM and old 1155 motherboard, then I saw the electricity bill (here it’s like 0,60$/kWh) and switched to less powerful J5005 (but less energy consumption).
Interesting, I also have a ryzen 1700 that I want to try for a NAS build specially because is supposed to support ECC RAM with some motherboards.
wow you were able to fall asleep with all that RGB . yes the other video you talk about would be nice
I loved this video :-) is it possible to make a tutorial with truenas core ? I want to do a similar setup for myself for plex and media share and pie hole . also knowing how truenas works for VMs will be nice
Following yours and Linus's guides I've gotten the Hyper-V Gaming VMs to work. I did it "because it's cool" but I cannot for the life of me figure out a good home use case.
What's your use case for that 12-client gaming server? Do you have a bunch of kids who are trying to play PC games on their iPads?
No ventilation in the top for PSU.. Yeah.. That's normal for rackmount systems because most rackmount systems will be packed in and ventilation there will be blocked in anyway. It should be vented from front to back like any other rackmount system. =)
I got into it by buying older stuff on eBay for cheap. And mixing and matching from my collection of RAM and CPUs.
I thought a Dell R610 would be a great idea for a dip into VM ( I'm a tech pro and wanted to put services in one place )
whilst it WAS a good idea, I'm struggling to find somewhere to put the darn thing, it's huge
Loft space or garage.
@@wayland7150 loft space too cold in winter too warm in summer. Would need additional heat/cooling.
Don't have garage
In process of fabricating a bracket to sling it under the workbench. Easily accessible and out of the way. Thanks though
I have tried to dip my toes into more advanced Linux stuff quite a few times but since tech isn't my main job I forget just about everything every time I want to try out a new project. I've actually already made a Proxmox server out of some of my old gaming PC hardware myself with a nice beefy 3900x at it's core. I'm thinking I might just switch to a Windows based host and using Hyper-V instead of Proxmox. It just seems that much easier.
UnRaid might be a simpler solution that doesn't require much Linux expertise.
Would be interested in a Docker video!
Literally todfay I just moved my NAS hardware into a SuperMicro SC836TQ chassis. My NAS hardware is my old gaming PC hardware lol.
Did you end up making the Docker/WSL tutorial video?
Great video! And as always, thanks for making it.
i use my old editing rigs as servers , my cold storage server is core2duo quad , the other use a i5 on a 1150 run plex and tornido for cloud both are running windows server 2012r2 and live in old vertical server case and am using windows storage space for my raid , raid2 for the cold storage , and raid 10 with 6 driver for the other , and i have one other old am1 as my pfsence
Maybe you should do a old skool.
My first business server was on a Compaq deskpro. Sporting a p3 333 128mb of SD ram and a 80gb HDD.
Skipping the security.
Windows XP with xammp provided the server, email and pho as well as SQL server.
50,000 people per week used it and this was back In the day where you had small graphics, no flash and the site was html only... Shops had PHP and SQL, but I updated after a year...
It was a time when you made your site as small as possible and tried to keep under 56k in size. Maxing it out at around 128k..
Dial up was so fast... DSL came out a year or three later. Quickly followed by ADSL.
Umm by today's standards bad, but I used to use my gaming systems which were about a year to 18 months old.
Never had any issues. I only just got rid of the tower, but still have the hardware that ran from 2004-2009. And the backup's..
But personally I'd gone for a Ubuntu and snapped Plex. And just made SMB shares.
Also there are plenty of old tower cases that can fit many drives littering various markets.
Plus old gaming... That's not that old is it?
Realising, my current systems now near 3 years old.
I think you're misremembering, the slowest PIII was 400MHz. What's interesting to consider is that such a system would likely still be enough for serving static content to 50k people a week.
@@eDoc2020 html was small so serving wasn't a issue. Remember motion GIFs were a thing...lol
Typo was p2 and the HDD was 8.1gb. the next was 80gb though but a xp2400.
@@eDoc2020 html was small so serving wasn't a issue. Remember motion GIFs were a thing...lol
Typo was p2 and the HDD was 8.1gb. the next was 80gb though but a xp2400.
asking nicely