As a foreigner, I really love the look of the current tube map. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject. Yay or nay? Have other countries adopted a similar underground map layout? 🚅🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋 (my best attempt to make a train)
Actually, I'd say, every single metro network plan in the world (except for NYC) eventually adopted Harry Beck's approach. When it comes to the current tube map, whilst still looking beautiful, it seems a bit cluttered, containing much more information than what is needed to get from here to there.
There’s a big difference between the Tube-only map and the London Connections map which overlays all the trams, Docklands light Railway lines and Rail lines onto the Tube Map and gives the spaghetti royal that confuses us and overseas visitors alike!
Its a great design and easy to read. It's one flaw is that it's not geographically correct, and doesn't portray distances between stations. So sometimes , folk jump on the tube , when they could have walked to their destination quicker. But this isn't a major flaw, and no map is ever perfect.
If you like maps, like I do, check out the Ordnance Survey maps, which cover the whole of the British Isles. They show pubs, churches, post offices, individual buildings, woodlandand even field boundaries. Of course they need updating now and then, as all things change.
Yes! I came to this conclusion while in London a few years back and one of the stations was closer to walk to instead of making our way in the underground. Otherwise had a great time riding the underground all around the city.
It has continued to evolve. It is getting very crowded now, as it includes the Overground, DLR, Elizbeth Line, Uber Boats and Cable Car. There is a 2nd episode of Map Men for this, worth seeing.
Plenty of London transport nerdery in this one. There's a London transport nerdery community, and Geoff Marshall and Jago Hazard both play roles in this one.
The running joke in this video was the guy he got to be 'Frank Pick' who is no less than Geoff Marshall who has his own brilliant YT channel on the UK rail and local transit systems. th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=geoff+marshall
It is no more a map than a schematic diagram is. It just shows the connectivity between tube stations that is all. If one wants a map of the underground just look in an A to Z of London which shows the tube lines. A useful overlay for the so called "tube map" is one that shows actual distances between stations.
The distance doesn't really matter compared with knowing where you need to change lines. It kind of makes it very hard to truly get lost in most of London (apart from the suburbs and even then just finding a bus stop is usually sufficient to work out where you need to go). Of course I grew up in London, although in South London where the tube traditionally hasn't had much presence.
Having lived in London during November 1996 and January 1999, it reads perfectly fine to me and navigating the Tube is easy peasy oh and I'm an Australian. And yes I have been back to visit in 2006. London and its iconic London Underground 🚇/ London Tube is one of my favourite cities ❤️
Charles Tyson Yerkes was the main reason the streetcars expanded so much back in the early 1900s in Chicago and Baltimore. He was also responsible for many of the elevated lines in Chicago, before moving to London. He was also a real scumbug!
I'm excited about it! Jay Foreman is very entertaining and a pleasure to watch. Plus lots of history and background to topics you never knew you'd be interested in that turn out very fascinating.
Here’s part 2 th-cam.com/video/jaEhvWXmLyk/w-d-xo.html Jay uses other prominent TH-camrs in his videos as well as Geoff Marshall - “Alan Foale” is Half Asleep Chris, who does lots of videos on banknotes and coins, while the Paris Metro guy is “The Tim Traveller”.
How much easier to read and use is the London Tube map than the New York Subway version. Paris and DC Metro maps and those of Madrid, München, and Vancouver are far closer to the London method than the more geographically accurate NY one, and are better for that.
First time I went to Vancouver in the early 1990's their map of the transit system was a straight line. At that time i had lived in London twice and was used to the London Underground map. Vancouver has now added a few more lines.
Actually its a masterpiece! Consider all the different lines and junctions at stations and the number of stations involved, its the clearest form to represent all of that. Try making one yourself and you will see straight away that it very differcult. I for one cannot see whats so differcult about it, its incredible
See the new map of the " Tube" with the " Overground" and " Elisabeth line" " Docklands light Railway" all run by TFL ( TRANSPORT FOR LONDON) it is even more confusing!!!!!
I took a mate from Wales down to London for a day out and he was absolutely mystified by how I knew my way around the tube network, I am London born so just kind of grew up with it, so it was nothing to me but to him he I don't think he knew what station he was in half the time
The problem with those diagram style maps is that you need to know from and to which station you need to go before it is any use at all. I prefer a to-scale map that shows surrounding streets and landmarks.
Exactly. It doesn't tell you where anything is. It doesn't even have the major tourist attractions. How are you supposed to know what station to go to to get to a certain museum/landmark/street/etc... Also, some stations are further apart or closer together than they look on the diagram so you could end up walking/using the tube when it wasn't necessary.
That would be the London Transport Bus map which is the size of a map of London on a single sheet, including the locations of Tube and surface stations. Ad to that the series of interchange plans showing the groups of bus stops and routes where you need to change. More than a handful and tricky to find them all these days. Hence the assortment of London A to Z books.
It's genius and is widely copied around the world. Of course there is now an app which plans your route for you, but the maps are still used a lot. Always a crowd of tourists at the stations looking at the ones on the walls. The attendants are always very helpful as well if you struggle e.g. with which connection to use.
No need for a 'You Are Here' on those, there is always a dirty hole worn through the station by thousands of pointy fingers. It would make an interesting photographic project.
The Tube Map is not a Map but a diagramatic of the whole system that simplfies the network showing where the stations lie to oneanother & where to change trains to reach the required station for your destination!! IT IS NOT A Street map more like a Wireing diagram !!
As a foreigner, I really love the look of the current tube map. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject. Yay or nay?
Have other countries adopted a similar underground map layout? 🚅🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋 (my best attempt to make a train)
Yes
Actually, I'd say, every single metro network plan in the world (except for NYC) eventually adopted Harry Beck's approach.
When it comes to the current tube map, whilst still looking beautiful, it seems a bit cluttered, containing much more information than what is needed to get from here to there.
There’s a big difference between the Tube-only map and the London Connections map which overlays all the trams, Docklands light Railway lines and Rail lines onto the Tube Map and gives the spaghetti royal that confuses us and overseas visitors alike!
Its a great design and easy to read.
It's one flaw is that it's not geographically correct, and doesn't portray distances between stations.
So sometimes , folk jump on the tube , when they could have walked to their destination quicker.
But this isn't a major flaw, and no map is ever perfect.
If you like maps, like I do, check out the Ordnance Survey maps, which cover the whole of the British Isles.
They show pubs, churches, post offices, individual buildings, woodlandand even field boundaries.
Of course they need updating now and then, as all things change.
One thing that catches people out is it's often quicker to walk.
Yes! I came to this conclusion while in London a few years back and one of the stations was closer to walk to instead of making our way in the underground. Otherwise had a great time riding the underground all around the city.
I think you can actually get a map with the minutes it takes to walk between each station on it
@@charlielouise2428 I think that is only for the 'interchange without connections' stations.
Piccadilly Circus to Leicester Square: it actually takes longer to get down to the platform of either station than to walk between them!
Queensway to Bayswater!
Always loved Jay - brilliant tuber. Map Men rule. Nice to see you have found him, and so much more to enjoy!
It has continued to evolve.
It is getting very crowded now, as it includes the Overground, DLR, Elizbeth Line, Uber Boats and Cable Car.
There is a 2nd episode of Map Men for this, worth seeing.
Is that background song I hear A Hero's Return from the RuneScape Orchestral Collection? I love that song :)
Plenty of London transport nerdery in this one. There's a London transport nerdery community, and Geoff Marshall and Jago Hazard both play roles in this one.
The running joke in this video was the guy he got to be 'Frank Pick' who is no less than Geoff Marshall who has his own brilliant YT channel on the UK rail and local transit systems. th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=geoff+marshall
Read the sign at 5:57. Brilliant! And very, very British humour.
😂😅🤣😃👍
I love it! Brilliant indeed. Re-watched it from your timestamp multiple times in a row now. Gets more hilarious the more you watch that section 🤣
It is no more a map than a schematic diagram is. It just shows the connectivity between tube stations that is all. If one wants a map of the underground just look in an A to Z of London which shows the tube lines. A useful overlay for the so called "tube map" is one that shows actual distances between stations.
The distance doesn't really matter compared with knowing where you need to change lines. It kind of makes it very hard to truly get lost in most of London (apart from the suburbs and even then just finding a bus stop is usually sufficient to work out where you need to go).
Of course I grew up in London, although in South London where the tube traditionally hasn't had much presence.
Having lived in London during November 1996 and January 1999, it reads perfectly fine to me and navigating the Tube is easy peasy oh and I'm an Australian. And yes I have been back to visit in 2006. London and its iconic London Underground 🚇/ London Tube is one of my favourite cities ❤️
Australia needs to build more undergrounds, especially in Melbourne and Brisbane. Don’t follow America’s model of car-centric city planning
Charles Tyson Yerkes was the main reason the streetcars expanded so much back in the early 1900s in Chicago and Baltimore. He was also responsible for many of the elevated lines in Chicago, before moving to London. He was also a real scumbug!
The scond part to that will be another ride. Check it out
I'm excited about it! Jay Foreman is very entertaining and a pleasure to watch. Plus lots of history and background to topics you never knew you'd be interested in that turn out very fascinating.
Here’s part 2 th-cam.com/video/jaEhvWXmLyk/w-d-xo.html
Jay uses other prominent TH-camrs in his videos as well as Geoff Marshall - “Alan Foale” is Half Asleep Chris, who does lots of videos on banknotes and coins, while the Paris Metro guy is “The Tim Traveller”.
How much easier to read and use is the London Tube map than the New York Subway version. Paris and DC Metro maps and those of Madrid, München, and Vancouver are far closer to the London method than the more geographically accurate NY one, and are better for that.
First time I went to Vancouver in the early 1990's their map of the transit system was a straight line. At that time i had lived in London twice and was used to the London Underground map. Vancouver has now added a few more lines.
They have to tweak it when new lines, and stations are built, but they keep the same design.
They might run out of colours eventually.
Also for temporary closures of stations or taking lifts/escalators out of service. The schematic constantly changes.
When I moved to London I found a map online that showed the distance between stops in steps.
I would recommend anyone going to London to do the same.
Actually its a masterpiece! Consider all the different lines and junctions at stations and the number of stations involved, its the clearest form to represent all of that. Try making one yourself and you will see straight away that it very differcult. I for one cannot see whats so differcult about it, its incredible
A year later and you've still not done part two...?
See the new map of the " Tube" with the " Overground" and " Elisabeth line" " Docklands light Railway" all run by TFL ( TRANSPORT FOR LONDON) it is even more confusing!!!!!
They've added new lines, deleted disused stations
I took a mate from Wales down to London for a day out and he was absolutely mystified by how I knew my way around the tube network, I am London born so just kind of grew up with it, so it was nothing to me but to him he I don't think he knew what station he was in half the time
Several more lines have been added since the 1960’s.
The problem with those diagram style maps is that you need to know from and to which station you need to go before it is any use at all. I prefer a to-scale map that shows surrounding streets and landmarks.
Exactly. It doesn't tell you where anything is. It doesn't even have the major tourist attractions. How are you supposed to know what station to go to to get to a certain museum/landmark/street/etc... Also, some stations are further apart or closer together than they look on the diagram so you could end up walking/using the tube when it wasn't necessary.
That would be the London Transport Bus map which is the size of a map of London on a single sheet, including the locations of Tube and surface stations. Ad to that the series of interchange plans showing the groups of bus stops and routes where you need to change. More than a handful and tricky to find them all these days. Hence the assortment of London A to Z books.
It's genius and is widely copied around the world. Of course there is now an app which plans your route for you, but the maps are still used a lot. Always a crowd of tourists at the stations looking at the ones on the walls. The attendants are always very helpful as well if you struggle e.g. with which connection to use.
No need for a 'You Are Here' on those, there is always a dirty hole worn through the station by thousands of pointy fingers. It would make an interesting photographic project.
The Tube Map is not a Map but a diagramatic of the whole system that simplfies the network showing where the stations lie to oneanother & where to change trains to reach the required station for your destination!! IT IS NOT A Street map more like a Wireing diagram !!
The most brilliant thing is that to get from any station to any other involves only ONE change!
Nothing, it just takes a little thnking to make sense of it.
Look like in Sweden
Nothing much wrong with it as far as i can see, I'd like to see the original video maker try and do better 🤣
Best underground map is Glasgow - en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/File:Glasgow-Subway-Map.png