SO I do think this tier has a lot of potential. Two major things need to happen first before its actually good. Bomb needs to do WAY more priority damage. IF they buff the the amount of damage the primary target takes by like 100% the 4set would feel so nice in ST (especially coupled with the new lunge). The second major issue is that 50% damage buff to KC on the 2set, change that to be a buff to your next focus spending ability and boom thats instant cool as fuck. Imagine how fun that would be in AoE with killshots/butchery and in single target with MB. They could tune the %increase but like that would be so cool. Fix those two things and the tier would feel amazing to play.
I wrote this before watching the whole vid (you touch on basically these two points), but making the damage amp on the 2set be tied to focus spenders makes it more dynamic than just MB
@@ethanavrigean6734 That's true, I was just spitballing ideas but it would be better to also be tied to at least butchery if they went down this route but all focus spenders would be huge. We might actually switch to hydras bite in aoe if it also affected serpent sting which would be cool.
I've been mulling this tier set over trying to think of how to make it work. I think a neat idea would be to make the 2 pc a duration buff that can be up-kept, 50% at max stacks may be a bit unfair but they can tweak the %s. Then make the 4 piece something like "Casting kill command unleashes all stacks of (2 pc), causing it to strike a random enemy afflicted by your bombs for each stack consumed. Casting Kill Command consumes these stacks" Maybe have 2 pc stack up to 2-3 times. Then KC would strike 3-4 times in ST or cleave in aoe. I don't think it'd be too crazy for single target because you're giving up 2-3 mongoose bites for the setup.
That's a really interesting idea and sounds pretty cool to. The main issue is that blizzard rarely change anything that drastic with tier sets after they post them, its usually just tweaks to the numbers and stuff. Though I don't look at all the specs so I'm not sure if they have fully reworked a spec tier set in the past. Actually they did rework survivals tier completely in tomb of sargeras I remember so maybe they would consider it. I really hope for a rework to the tier but we'll see.
I swear they pick these set bonuses for survival by throwing a dart at a spinning dart board. There’s no way this was double checked before being released.
Feels that way for like 3/4 of the 10.1 tier sets tbh. The fury warrior one baffles me too, because with the current build we don't even press Bloodthirst
@@Genoh_ I've heard there's quite a few other specs that are also unhappy yeah. Pretty sad since in a recent interview they said these tier sets would be more exciting than the season 1 sets and I don't think that's true for most of them.
I think the only ability blizzard remembers about what they made for survival is coordinated assault, because it's gonna be the only ability buffed by the tier
oh dude. Apparently the existing set bonuses are getting nerfed when the new set comes out. This is specifically to stop situations where running hybrid 2 set / 2 set is better than 4 set. So if people are thinking about using the old set, chances are it will be almost completely ineffective
Ah okay I didn't know they planned on doing that. Well okay then at least that means people won't have to do the old raid for their 'bis' tier so that's a big positive. Where did they say this? I just haven't heard about it
Many have a mistake in thinking about bombs, we were only in shadowlands so op because we had "infinitely" many bombs + clusters. In season 2 of shadowlands our bombs did just as much damage as our main spender, but it wasn't nearly as strong as in seasons 3+4 because we didn't have "infinitely" many. Ultimately, if they buff our bombs so much that it's used in the single target, it will be the case in the aoe that we hardly ever press "Mongoose bite". Blizzard is trying to push us in that direction again, especially with the change to "lunge" and the new set bonus, which also gives us CDR on bombs. Don't get me wrong, I hate the bombs like every other survival main xD. Our 2 set is 10% on bombs... 10% of nothing is nothing... and then it feels like 50% of our talent tree is to buff that "nothing" in some way. Even our fucking "capstones" buff this "nothing". At least 2 of the 3. And thanks again Blizzard :P
This is very true. With the lunge change, this new 4 set, explosive expert, coordinated kill and ruthless marauder we have an insanely easy time being able to spam bombs but when bombs do very little damage, being able to endlessly spam them is pointless so it just feels like a really odd design choice
It wasn't because we had infinitely many. It was because they were propped up by clusters doing like 100% attack power atop of the +30% the tier set buffed them, which was further buffed up from +30% to +80% (initially) when your 2p procced. So yeah, an extra 100% attack power & 30-80% increased damage was the reason, not the fact you could press it often. Combining that with pressing it so often made it Op.
I've been holding on to survival since Legion, and it has been a bumpy ride along the way. This tier set is like a mudslide on the road, even with the recent change to the 4-set bonus. Maybe survival should be put back on the shelf, as the dev team don't seem to have the time and effort to give the spec some much needed attention. "11.0 The return of survival hunter?". Take a look back at how Mongoose Bites worked back in Legion could be a nice start!
They just don't seem to know exactly what they want to do with the spec and its been that way for a long time. I doubt they'll go back to how mongoose bite worked in legion since it was a lot more 'new player unfriendly' but that did make mongoose bite feel very impactful.
If they want to make bombs good in single target they could add 100% dmg on it for example, that gets evenly distributed among enemies. Capped at 5 or so. So if a bomb does 10k dmg + the 10k bleed. It would then deal 20k + 10k bleed in single target. And in 5 Target cleave it would deal 50k base + 10k from set distributed to the 5 enemies + 50k from bleed. Dunno if that would change much though
This would help with solving the issue with having bombs be both good in single-target and aoe without having it either be meh in single-target and good in aoe or good in single-target and busted in aoe. Since this is the main issue with making a tier set around bombs. So you have the right idea
It does work really well with daggers, I know the trueshot lodge discord was talking about it all last night but you can't use most of your abilities whilst using daggers and seems like it'd just be a meme. Looks like a fun meme though.
I have an idea, make a new 1 talent point, “focus cap: increase damage of abilities when you’re focus capped by 50%” now you chuck bombs when you’re capped and it’s rewarding even if you didn’t have the set price because that’s the only time I chuck bombs when I’m doing single target
I don't think they'll do that but it is an interesting idea and way to fix that issue. Focus is supposed to be relevant, we are supposed to be a focus management spec. I think they just mess up sometimes. Everytime something like this happens where we stop caring about focus for whatever reason always feels very unintentional.
I love survival because of Raptor strike/mongoose bite. Them adding the bombs makes the rotation horrible. They need to keep survival a melee spec by buffing carve and raptor strike. Not bombs. And they need to put hydras bite as an option for the Survival tree. So you can do a poison build that is super fun. I use to do it during BFA.
I think ranting do not help much, I think suggesting same changes might get some where. I think if they would change few talents it might be ok set. Add some AOE interaction to Kill Command, like BM has and add 12-15 focus cost to bombs that would make our mastery useful and let as scale batter, same for fury of the eagle, we have plenty focus this expansion, could put to use and buff that way our mastery and if Kill command get AOE interaction that would enable reset talents on the right way more practical. Also change arcane proc 100%, not 30%, on the reset. Two cents.
With how much focus we gain this expansion compared to the previous ones, having bombs cost focus probably would be a pretty big gain for us. Some nice suggestions
Once again... A spear and pet class is focused around bombs.. Make the spear the main go to, give the pet more power, turn the little poison cross bow into a spear dipped in poison, change the bomb to a jump or spear throw and fuck so much shit. Like if you're gonna do a Melee hunter DO A MELEE HUNTER. Don't go halvsies and think "We did it fellas.."
That might've been the play but they changed this new tier set quite a bit. The 2 set from it is still garbage but the 4 set went through a massive change. It's been nerfed a few times now but it's still going to be better to swap to it once we get it. The season one 4 set is still better to keep equipped until you get the entire 4 set of the new tier though. It's not worth going 2-2 with the old and new tier set
There's no way of knowing yet since blizzard will most likely do a lot of class tuning still. I could say that survival hunter will be a pretty mediocre spec going into next patch as that's how its currently looking if no tuning were to happen, but then the vary rare polearm from the raid could have a crazy effect tied to it and it suddenly makes the spec broken. So yeah I'll give an opinion closer to patch release but for now I can't give an accurate answer
@@Necromasterify Ohhhhhh I get it now, from how they ruined sylvannas completely, yeah okay that's very true. I can imagine there's somebody just messing with tier sets to troll players. I could see that
I'm pretty sure there's one dev for like every 3 classes or so? I'm not completely sure but I know there's not 1 dev per class so it makes sense that they can't fully play all the specs and develop them at the same time so I get why things like this happen. It's just very frustrating
This tier set is really confusing in how they thought this was in any way a good and fun design. Maybe I'm just missing something but after seeing everyone else's reaction I feel I'm not alone in thinking this
I honestly have no idea, I don't PvP at all but from the brief things I've heard I don't think it's looking good in PvP either. But don't quote me on that, you'd be better asking Bicmex or asking in the PvP channel in the Trueshot Lodge discord
I kinda wish wow would chill on aoe. I know aoe is satisfying but i feel like all of wow is revolving on aoe. I like single target and i dont want to sacrifice single target when i do dungeons for stupid mobs
Well this tier set isn't even particularly good in aoe even though it seems more aoe centric. But one comment about this is that survival does really good prio/boss damage in dungeons. You really don't lose much single-target when switching to your aoe talent builds and in 10.1 spearhead looks like its going to lose a lot of value if this tier set actually becomes good so we'll lose even less dps when switching to coordinated assault. But yes I know it can suck feeling like you lose single-target dps because you have to pick up the aoe talents
Totally agree. Sucks that we are the least played spec so we technically have the smallest voice since most hunters only play MM and/or BM, but that's even more reason to try and get the devs attention and press for change.
@@jacktihs2963I got the abbreviations I was just confused with what you meant by it since KC isn't part of MB. I assume you mean the talent where kill command increases mongoose bite's damage by 25% stacking up to 3? If so I really want them to move this talent anyway since it has no place being at the top of the tree making it essentially baseline, since it hinders creativity with future tier sets as there's nothing you can do with the talent so the devs are forced to always make something around, kill shot, bombs and raptor strike/mongoose bite. But like I said I'm still a bit confused at what you mean. Sorry again it's another late response.
@@NimzeWoW No worries, there's no obligation. What I meant was, and I admit I was unclear, to increase dmg of Mongoose Bite with 50%, not Kill Command. It's (imo) a weird choice, as far as I know, Kill Command isn't a main ability. We use it for regen, adding a bleed, but out main dmg in Mongoose Bite. I will still play it, I'm no fan on BM or MM, it's just an underwhelming Tier bonus, and that 10% Mongoose Bite nerf also still hurts :) . For me, my minimal wish is for Aspect of the Eagle to be baseline, why is this a talent option? And have bombs maybe cost 10 focus, so it's part of mastery.
@@jacktihs2963 Ohhh I get you now. Yeah that would have made a lot more sense than having it apply to kill command. kill command does barely any damage and buffing it by 50% is very minimal. It doesn't even effect the bleed portion of kill command which is half of kill commands damage. So yeah it was incredibly confusing when they announced it and tbh its still really confusing now. The 4 set did get a gigantic buff somewhat recently though and now the tier set has jumped from being practically useless to borderline op (at least in single-target).
Honestly if they dont do anything about it and we’re going to have to stay with our current tier when everyone else can use their new tier, no one will take surv seriously
Nobody takes the spec seriously at the moment so we'd be in shambles if nothing else changed with tuning the spec/tier. Our player count would drop from a few hundred to.. well just a few.
this tier bonus is horrible in my opinion it doesnt benefit from mastery at all.. i am really looking forward to being rejected all the time just because i play survival hunter. meanwhile fire mage frost dk resto druid and many other specs wil be absolutely dominating just because they have nice bonuses. i would personally tweak tier bonuses (2) set bonus : every 50 focus you spend causes your next kill command to cleave the targets in front of your pet (4) set bonus : wildfire bomb damage increased by 10% and every wildfire bomb thrown will increase damage of your next moongose bite/butchery by 10% (max 3 stacks or something like that) i dont hate the idea of throwing WB all the time but it should be rewarded somehow since we are losing a lot of potential damage with butchery and moongose bite talent tree modification is also required if it was me i would also add to reduce cooldown on explosive shot also make fury of the eagle cost focus so it benefits from mastery too.
Some decent ideas, I especially like the idea of adding some interaction with explosive shot being able to reduce its cooldown somehow and making fury of the eagle cost focus. Our mastery feels super bad if the majority of our damage comes from non focus spending abilities which is the case in aoe
It really does seem like the spec gets less care and attention that the vast majority of specs in the game. I could even argue it gets less than any other spec
This thing really disappointed me. At the current state surv is great. This tier set would only make sense if they actually buffed the bombs or changed them a bit, but as of rn, it just doesn't make sense to play it.
That 8% buff is kinda huge and since they didn't actually nerf mongoose bite by 10% last week, we are going to be crazy strong in single-target. Plus they did add "the target of your latest Kill Command takes 100% increased damage from Wildfire Bomb for 8 sec" to the 4-set which makes the tier a lot more interesting and way way stronger in single-target. So not all bad
@@NimzeWoW very true. Though I do wonder if the the next tier set will involve mb or wfb again. I’d love to see more in design space for sv tier sets aside from better mb and or wfb.
Why indeed. I wish they would give their reasons or ideas with things like this when they post them. I know that's asking a lot but imagine if they posted the tier set and said something like "We liked how X thing went this season with the spec but we wanted to explore Y area of the spec a bit more and thought this tier set could shift things around this certain way"
It's basically a very bad version of what we had in shadowlands. I assume they figured since so many people played the spec then (only because the damage numbers were brokenly high) that if they brought out a similar tier set it might get people to return to the spec. Which is stupid because most people who played the spec at the end of shadowlands only did because of how broken it was not because they found it incredibly fun.
@@NimzeWoW Set would have gotten way better if atleast Bombs extended the Moongose bite buff by atleast 2 secs. Then I think it would makes sense to include bombs talents and add it to the rotation.
@@coldliferp7250 That would be interesting. Having it interact with mongoose bite in some way could be a way to make this tier feel relevant in single-target
Thx for the Information Nimze! :)
Greeting Gremnakk
You're welcome Gremnakk!
SO I do think this tier has a lot of potential.
Two major things need to happen first before its actually good. Bomb needs to do WAY more priority damage.
IF they buff the the amount of damage the primary target takes by like 100% the 4set would feel so nice in ST (especially coupled with the new lunge).
The second major issue is that 50% damage buff to KC on the 2set, change that to be a buff to your next focus spending ability and boom thats instant cool as fuck.
Imagine how fun that would be in AoE with killshots/butchery and in single target with MB. They could tune the %increase but like that would be so cool.
Fix those two things and the tier would feel amazing to play.
I wrote this before watching the whole vid (you touch on basically these two points), but making the damage amp on the 2set be tied to focus spenders makes it more dynamic than just MB
@@ethanavrigean6734 That's true, I was just spitballing ideas but it would be better to also be tied to at least butchery if they went down this route but all focus spenders would be huge. We might actually switch to hydras bite in aoe if it also affected serpent sting which would be cool.
I've been mulling this tier set over trying to think of how to make it work. I think a neat idea would be to make the 2 pc a duration buff that can be up-kept, 50% at max stacks may be a bit unfair but they can tweak the %s.
Then make the 4 piece something like "Casting kill command unleashes all stacks of (2 pc), causing it to strike a random enemy afflicted by your bombs for each stack consumed. Casting Kill Command consumes these stacks" Maybe have 2 pc stack up to 2-3 times. Then KC would strike 3-4 times in ST or cleave in aoe. I don't think it'd be too crazy for single target because you're giving up 2-3 mongoose bites for the setup.
That's a really interesting idea and sounds pretty cool to. The main issue is that blizzard rarely change anything that drastic with tier sets after they post them, its usually just tweaks to the numbers and stuff. Though I don't look at all the specs so I'm not sure if they have fully reworked a spec tier set in the past. Actually they did rework survivals tier completely in tomb of sargeras I remember so maybe they would consider it. I really hope for a rework to the tier but we'll see.
I swear they pick these set bonuses for survival by throwing a dart at a spinning dart board. There’s no way this was double checked before being released.
Honestly I hope this is the case. It worries me more if a lot of thought went into this
@@NimzeWoW there will just be no way to actually play this spec with a tier set like that it will be worthless
Feels that way for like 3/4 of the 10.1 tier sets tbh. The fury warrior one baffles me too, because with the current build we don't even press Bloodthirst
@@Genoh_ I've heard there's quite a few other specs that are also unhappy yeah. Pretty sad since in a recent interview they said these tier sets would be more exciting than the season 1 sets and I don't think that's true for most of them.
all hunter specs feel like this - but some classes have it even worse ask mages they are royaly fucked by their sets
I think the only ability blizzard remembers about what they made for survival is coordinated assault, because it's gonna be the only ability buffed by the tier
True! this really hurts spearhead which is a little annoying. I just wanna do big mongoose bites
oh dude. Apparently the existing set bonuses are getting nerfed when the new set comes out. This is specifically to stop situations where running hybrid 2 set / 2 set is better than 4 set. So if people are thinking about using the old set, chances are it will be almost completely ineffective
Ah okay I didn't know they planned on doing that. Well okay then at least that means people won't have to do the old raid for their 'bis' tier so that's a big positive. Where did they say this? I just haven't heard about it
@@NimzeWoW I think Dratnos and tettles
Many have a mistake in thinking about bombs, we were only in shadowlands so op because we had "infinitely" many bombs + clusters. In season 2 of shadowlands our bombs did just as much damage as our main spender, but it wasn't nearly as strong as in seasons 3+4 because we didn't have "infinitely" many. Ultimately, if they buff our bombs so much that it's used in the single target, it will be the case in the aoe that we hardly ever press "Mongoose bite". Blizzard is trying to push us in that direction again, especially with the change to "lunge" and the new set bonus, which also gives us CDR on bombs. Don't get me wrong, I hate the bombs like every other survival main xD. Our 2 set is 10% on bombs... 10% of nothing is nothing... and then it feels like 50% of our talent tree is to buff that "nothing" in some way. Even our fucking "capstones" buff this "nothing". At least 2 of the 3. And thanks again Blizzard :P
This is very true. With the lunge change, this new 4 set, explosive expert, coordinated kill and ruthless marauder we have an insanely easy time being able to spam bombs but when bombs do very little damage, being able to endlessly spam them is pointless so it just feels like a really odd design choice
It wasn't because we had infinitely many. It was because they were propped up by clusters doing like 100% attack power atop of the +30% the tier set buffed them, which was further buffed up from +30% to +80% (initially) when your 2p procced. So yeah, an extra 100% attack power & 30-80% increased damage was the reason, not the fact you could press it often. Combining that with pressing it so often made it Op.
I've been holding on to survival since Legion, and it has been a bumpy ride along the way. This tier set is like a mudslide on the road, even with the recent change to the 4-set bonus. Maybe survival should be put back on the shelf, as the dev team don't seem to have the time and effort to give the spec some much needed attention. "11.0 The return of survival hunter?".
Take a look back at how Mongoose Bites worked back in Legion could be a nice start!
They just don't seem to know exactly what they want to do with the spec and its been that way for a long time. I doubt they'll go back to how mongoose bite worked in legion since it was a lot more 'new player unfriendly' but that did make mongoose bite feel very impactful.
If they want to make bombs good in single target they could add 100% dmg on it for example, that gets evenly distributed among enemies. Capped at 5 or so.
So if a bomb does 10k dmg + the 10k bleed. It would then deal 20k + 10k bleed in single target. And in 5 Target cleave it would deal 50k base + 10k from set distributed to the 5 enemies + 50k from bleed.
Dunno if that would change much though
This would help with solving the issue with having bombs be both good in single-target and aoe without having it either be meh in single-target and good in aoe or good in single-target and busted in aoe. Since this is the main issue with making a tier set around bombs. So you have the right idea
The new tier set might be good with us DW daggers.
It does work really well with daggers, I know the trueshot lodge discord was talking about it all last night but you can't use most of your abilities whilst using daggers and seems like it'd just be a meme. Looks like a fun meme though.
I have an idea, make a new 1 talent point, “focus cap: increase damage of abilities when you’re focus capped by 50%” now you chuck bombs when you’re capped and it’s rewarding even if you didn’t have the set price because that’s the only time I chuck bombs when I’m doing single target
I don't think they'll do that but it is an interesting idea and way to fix that issue. Focus is supposed to be relevant, we are supposed to be a focus management spec. I think they just mess up sometimes. Everytime something like this happens where we stop caring about focus for whatever reason always feels very unintentional.
I love survival because of Raptor strike/mongoose bite. Them adding the bombs makes the rotation horrible. They need to keep survival a melee spec by buffing carve and raptor strike. Not bombs. And they need to put hydras bite as an option for the Survival tree. So you can do a poison build that is super fun. I use to do it during BFA.
Poison build was super fun, really quite sad that they moved away from all the poison stuff. I don't know why they shifted so hard to wildfire bomb
I think ranting do not help much, I think suggesting same changes might get some where. I think if they would change few talents it might be ok set. Add some AOE interaction to Kill Command, like BM has and add 12-15 focus cost to bombs that would make our mastery useful and let as scale batter, same for fury of the eagle, we have plenty focus this expansion, could put to use and buff that way our mastery and if Kill command get AOE interaction that would enable reset talents on the right way more practical. Also change arcane proc 100%, not 30%, on the reset. Two cents.
With how much focus we gain this expansion compared to the previous ones, having bombs cost focus probably would be a pretty big gain for us. Some nice suggestions
Once again... A spear and pet class is focused around bombs..
Make the spear the main go to, give the pet more power, turn the little poison cross bow into a spear dipped in poison, change the bomb to a jump or spear throw and fuck so much shit. Like if you're gonna do a Melee hunter DO A MELEE HUNTER. Don't go halvsies and think "We did it fellas.."
A lot of people who play survival hunter feel the same way. Mainly with bombs, hands down the most controversial ability the spec has.
The play will be 2 pc tier set from season 1 and the 2 pc tierset from season 2 at the same time
That might've been the play but they changed this new tier set quite a bit. The 2 set from it is still garbage but the 4 set went through a massive change. It's been nerfed a few times now but it's still going to be better to swap to it once we get it. The season one 4 set is still better to keep equipped until you get the entire 4 set of the new tier though. It's not worth going 2-2 with the old and new tier set
@@NimzeWoW just checked out the tier set for hunters and didn’t see any verse on the gear, this doesn’t look good for pvp
Well, we were ~5 survival hunters.
Now only Nimze and I will stay I guess :(
That's fine 5 was getting overcrowded anyway. At least it sounds like you're sticking with the spec so I'm not alone.
Yes I will :)
Hi, do you think survival is good for the next patch?
There's no way of knowing yet since blizzard will most likely do a lot of class tuning still. I could say that survival hunter will be a pretty mediocre spec going into next patch as that's how its currently looking if no tuning were to happen, but then the vary rare polearm from the raid could have a crazy effect tied to it and it suddenly makes the spec broken. So yeah I'll give an opinion closer to patch release but for now I can't give an accurate answer
Are we Sylvannas ? Cause there must be a Afrasiabi f... with us
I don't understand what that means but you have some cool shades so I'll agree
@@NimzeWoW hahaha
Sorry...
I would say: there must be a dev that's sabotaging us LMAO
@@Necromasterify Ohhhhhh I get it now, from how they ruined sylvannas completely, yeah okay that's very true. I can imagine there's somebody just messing with tier sets to troll players. I could see that
When the company doesn't play the game they make this is what will always happen.
I'm pretty sure there's one dev for like every 3 classes or so? I'm not completely sure but I know there's not 1 dev per class so it makes sense that they can't fully play all the specs and develop them at the same time so I get why things like this happen. It's just very frustrating
The only rationalization I can think of is....oh wait there is none.
This tier set is really confusing in how they thought this was in any way a good and fun design. Maybe I'm just missing something but after seeing everyone else's reaction I feel I'm not alone in thinking this
How does this tier set hold up in PvP?
I honestly have no idea, I don't PvP at all but from the brief things I've heard I don't think it's looking good in PvP either. But don't quote me on that, you'd be better asking Bicmex or asking in the PvP channel in the Trueshot Lodge discord
I kinda wish wow would chill on aoe.
I know aoe is satisfying but i feel like all of wow is revolving on aoe.
I like single target and i dont want to sacrifice single target when i do dungeons for stupid mobs
Well this tier set isn't even particularly good in aoe even though it seems more aoe centric. But one comment about this is that survival does really good prio/boss damage in dungeons. You really don't lose much single-target when switching to your aoe talent builds and in 10.1 spearhead looks like its going to lose a lot of value if this tier set actually becomes good so we'll lose even less dps when switching to coordinated assault. But yes I know it can suck feeling like you lose single-target dps because you have to pick up the aoe talents
Please all hunters with a voice. Use your voice for good. Be as loud as boomkins and fire mages. Please be loud enough to get this changed.
Totally agree. Sucks that we are the least played spec so we technically have the smallest voice since most hunters only play MM and/or BM, but that's even more reason to try and get the devs attention and press for change.
What if they changed the KC part of MB?
Which part do you mean? Sorry for the late responses btw
@@NimzeWoW no worries, the Kill Command part to Monboose Bite :)
@@jacktihs2963I got the abbreviations I was just confused with what you meant by it since KC isn't part of MB. I assume you mean the talent where kill command increases mongoose bite's damage by 25% stacking up to 3? If so I really want them to move this talent anyway since it has no place being at the top of the tree making it essentially baseline, since it hinders creativity with future tier sets as there's nothing you can do with the talent so the devs are forced to always make something around, kill shot, bombs and raptor strike/mongoose bite.
But like I said I'm still a bit confused at what you mean. Sorry again it's another late response.
@@NimzeWoW No worries, there's no obligation. What I meant was, and I admit I was unclear, to increase dmg of Mongoose Bite with 50%, not Kill Command. It's (imo) a weird choice, as far as I know, Kill Command isn't a main ability. We use it for regen, adding a bleed, but out main dmg in Mongoose Bite. I will still play it, I'm no fan on BM or MM, it's just an underwhelming Tier bonus, and that 10% Mongoose Bite nerf also still hurts :) . For me, my minimal wish is for Aspect of the Eagle to be baseline, why is this a talent option? And have bombs maybe cost 10 focus, so it's part of mastery.
@@jacktihs2963 Ohhh I get you now. Yeah that would have made a lot more sense than having it apply to kill command. kill command does barely any damage and buffing it by 50% is very minimal. It doesn't even effect the bleed portion of kill command which is half of kill commands damage. So yeah it was incredibly confusing when they announced it and tbh its still really confusing now. The 4 set did get a gigantic buff somewhat recently though and now the tier set has jumped from being practically useless to borderline op (at least in single-target).
Also why is survivals explosive shot so much weaker than MMs when this spec has bombs? Make shrapnel do something with explosive shot
I didn't know it was weaker? I thought it was stronger since we buff it by 40% with the ranger talent? I don't play MM at all so I have no idea
Honestly if they dont do anything about it and we’re going to have to stay with our current tier when everyone else can use their new tier, no one will take surv seriously
Nobody takes the spec seriously at the moment so we'd be in shambles if nothing else changed with tuning the spec/tier. Our player count would drop from a few hundred to.. well just a few.
@@NimzeWoW honestly i might even change to bm if nothing happens
this tier bonus is horrible in my opinion it doesnt benefit from mastery at all.. i am really looking forward to being rejected all the time just because i play survival hunter. meanwhile fire mage frost dk resto druid and many other specs wil be absolutely dominating just because they have nice bonuses. i would personally tweak tier bonuses
(2) set bonus : every 50 focus you spend causes your next kill command to cleave the targets in front of your pet
(4) set bonus : wildfire bomb damage increased by 10% and every wildfire bomb thrown will increase damage of your next moongose bite/butchery by 10% (max 3 stacks or something like that)
i dont hate the idea of throwing WB all the time but it should be rewarded somehow since we are losing a lot of potential damage with butchery and moongose bite
talent tree modification is also required if it was me i would also add to reduce cooldown on explosive shot also make fury of the eagle cost focus so it benefits from mastery too.
Some decent ideas, I especially like the idea of adding some interaction with explosive shot being able to reduce its cooldown somehow and making fury of the eagle cost focus. Our mastery feels super bad if the majority of our damage comes from non focus spending abilities which is the case in aoe
I feel like no dev play SV hunter and they just dont care...😢
It sure seems that way
If there was a black hole that sucked all shitness towards it, this tier set would be at the core
perfectly worded
This is juat more of the same super low effort crap we always get. It will stay that way till someone at Bliz actually cares about our spec.
It really does seem like the spec gets less care and attention that the vast majority of specs in the game. I could even argue it gets less than any other spec
This thing really disappointed me. At the current state surv is great. This tier set would only make sense if they actually buffed the bombs or changed them a bit, but as of rn, it just doesn't make sense to play it.
Funnily enough they just changed the tier and actually made a good change so it's looking wayyy better
@@NimzeWoW Nice, I really love the spec already, so I will be looking forward to next big patch
As boring as the tier set is they did buff or will buff all sv damage by 8% so I can’t say it is all bad, but yes the tier set is very uninspiring.
That 8% buff is kinda huge and since they didn't actually nerf mongoose bite by 10% last week, we are going to be crazy strong in single-target. Plus they did add "the target of your latest Kill Command takes 100% increased damage from Wildfire Bomb for 8 sec" to the 4-set which makes the tier a lot more interesting and way way stronger in single-target. So not all bad
@@NimzeWoW very true. Though I do wonder if the the next tier set will involve mb or wfb again. I’d love to see more in design space for sv tier sets aside from better mb and or wfb.
100% agree man! Why!??
Why indeed. I wish they would give their reasons or ideas with things like this when they post them. I know that's asking a lot but imagine if they posted the tier set and said something like "We liked how X thing went this season with the spec but we wanted to explore Y area of the spec a bit more and thought this tier set could shift things around this certain way"
Deva dont really know how survival works hahaha
It does feel that way for sure
Its stupid to base an entire tier set in 1 skill? Like WTF are they thinking.
It's basically a very bad version of what we had in shadowlands. I assume they figured since so many people played the spec then (only because the damage numbers were brokenly high) that if they brought out a similar tier set it might get people to return to the spec. Which is stupid because most people who played the spec at the end of shadowlands only did because of how broken it was not because they found it incredibly fun.
@@NimzeWoW Set would have gotten way better if atleast Bombs extended the Moongose bite buff by atleast 2 secs. Then I think it would makes sense to include bombs talents and add it to the rotation.
@@coldliferp7250 That would be interesting. Having it interact with mongoose bite in some way could be a way to make this tier feel relevant in single-target
@@NimzeWoW Yes, after all ST is important for M+ bosses and raid.
thats awful lmaooooo
It really is
Especially compared to MM and BM. Actual dog shit tier. Almost not even worth running compared to current
At the moment no its not worth running over the current tier outside of m+