I bought one to try from watching this video…. Terrible piece of equipment! I’m scared to send it because I don’t want to risk someone else getting it 😂. EZ Binder is the best one you recommended, I’m sticking with those
IMHO... I don't see this as any faster than my standard binders. And the 3500 WLL is lower than what I normally use when securing my tractor. I would definitely purchase a set for certain low weight applications, but only if the pricing is lowered at some point.
That function would be cool as an ADDITION to a ratcheting load binder, but with the lack of a handle giving you any kind of leverage the best you're going to get with this thing is 'snug' unless you carry around a pipe wrench to use on it..
I'm not sold on these. They might be fine for smaller equipment like sub compact tractors. But I'd much prefer the standard binder or Speed Binders that use a small impact driver.
Unfortunately i dont think this is a good idea. I dont see how its going to stay tight. Plus the 3500 wll means its really compared to a strap. A normal binders rated 9200 wll. 3/8 chain is 6600 usually and a 1/2 chain which is 11300. Long story short. This is yet another relatively expensive product. That doesnt solve any issues. This is way more expensive than a strap. Harder to use. I just dont see any versatility in this.. cool idea. Impractical in the real world
I’m not seeing it. -too long -no real way to torque it down. - no way to lock it down from spinning out. Edit: normally I’m an optimist and love new ideas, but I just can’t here.
@@robertmoulton2656 nah. Just a good ole chain and ratchet binder. Never let me down yet. But ratchet straps do have their place in load securement. They do not have a place in equipment securement though, which I’m sure that’s what your slur was referencing. 😂 In reference to if the unit is tight then it won’t loosen, I’ve found the opposite effect of if super tight the binder is perfectly straight and has more chance to loosen and not much lateral load.
Thank you for the demo/product review, it showed me that my old school chain binders or a ratchet binder are a far superior option when securing a load on my trailer.
Myself who spent 47 yr's in trucking including heavy haul this is a non starter. Cranking this up by hand with no leverage involved will never apply enough tension on the chain to be effective or safe. Just another attempt to reinvent the wheel...in this case an unsafe one in my opinion.
Aside from the semi quick release I’m not seeing the improved design. At least with the lever style tie down you’re able to make darn sure your equipment is tied down securely. I’m not knocking this product, I’m just thinking maybe we’re missing a step in the procedure? 🤷🏼♂️
You’re a good dude-love your channel and maybe if we honed technique down a bit, but honestly just makes me wanna bust out my ratchet binders and be done with it quicker and known reliable lol
Good morning! You didn’t seem to be feeling much love for this product either. Not for me… it looks like a solution for a problem that doesnt exist. I use Rachel binders that have folding handles and keep them fully extended when stored so hook up involves absolutely no time to extend the ends. Plus you can’t get those tight all and they look like they will back off and loosen during transit as well. Thanks for showing these though. It’s hard to improve on a product that’s worked flawlessly for a long long time and still does.
OMG, before you actually try to sell that thing you should rewatch the video, I didn't see anything Rapid about it unless I was throwing it in the junk pile, I'd first have to drink a 6-pack of Budlight before I buy that.............
Yeah, this showed me enough to NOT want to buy this product. I appreciate people wanting to innovate and make life easier but sometimes well enough should be acknowledged and should be left alone.
Looks like a dud to me. WLL of 3/8" G70 chain is 6600 #. Even 5/16" G70 chain has a WLL of 4700#. Both are more than the WLL of 3500 # for this binder even though their website says it's designed for use with 5/16" or 3/8" chain. As such, I don't see the point. I'll stick with the traditional ratcheting binders with a WLL higher than the chain I'm using.
Straight trash. Useless. There is no way that binder will ever get as tight as one should be. DOT would laugh at it. And with the time spent fiddling around, you could have already had two or three ratchet binders tight.
Overall, from what I see, I'm not too impressed with it. Looks like you need a lot of hand strength (not good). Next, seems like (IDK) it has a low working load limit? And three, is it D.O.T. certified? It is compact though, and that's a good thing.
I think this product has started in a good route, but when you are tying down THOUSANDS of pounds of equipment. I am not going to trust a binder that I have to twist by hand to secure it down. I'm going to keep my ratchet binders and put some leverage behind the chains to make sure they are not going anywhere. Last thing I want to do is look in my mirror and see the equipment sitting on the road because the chains didn't get tight enough because all I am relying on is twisting a binder by hand without any way to get some leverage behind it.
Not impressed at all. There is no way to put any good torque on the chain. When transporting anything with tires especially larger tractors that are only running 8-20 psi in the tires you need to really be able to torque them down or they will bounce and bend chain links. Ratchet binders are definitely the best so far. The binders that use a impact gun are ok but it's one more piece of equipment to carry. I really don't think that selling these will have the best results for you.
a regular boomer & cheater pipe is the best way to go for any tiedown & way more simpler that all that mess shown here in the video . . . .good grief🤦🤦🤦
Interesting concept. As always, I'll tell you the truth. Great concept but wrong application. I could have all 4 corners cinched down with 4 boomers in the time it took you to do one. If they came in a kit together with a 36" Ridgid aluminum handle pipe wrench you might have some takers, but I'm sticking with my lever and ratchet style binders.
I try to be open to new ideas, but if im being honest this seems like a terrible design. I could do 5 ratchet binders faster than 1 of these. And itd be safer and more reliable. Its an interesting design for sure!
Maybe for a four wheeler, sxs, or small tractor. But the small working load limit and lack of abilty to tighten down a load are real problems for me. Especially on higher weight equipment. Im used to having my chains absolutely sing when they're properly cinched down. Those chains were flopping. That's not nearly safe enough in my book. And certainly not for a good sized tractor. Im betting that most of the folks who bought these are hobbyists with tiny little hydrostatic drive tractors of 25-30 hp or less, and that weigh 4000 lbs or less. I just can't see anyone with a 45,000 dollar 8500 lb machine giving these a serious look. Even if the gross weight rating is for 14k, with 4 of them being used on the corners.
Good morning. Keep in mind a G70 5/16 chain is 4700 working load limit. That binder is 3500 working load limit, so that chain is equal to the weakest point of securement, being the binder. But if you're able to give up 1200 lbs you're golden. Application will be the guide. Theory is there, but I'd like to see the working load limit closer to the 4700 lbs. But they are selling out so there's a market. Be safe everybody.
That's more work than a regular binder! Where's the rapid part? Doesn't DOT require the load limits on the product? They want you to wrap your hands around the binder and twist it? Total fail!
I don’t care for that I like the handle and the torque you get when ratcheting it down would not like the 18 wheelers using them just with gripping and trying to roll it tight
What happens when the threads rust in Michigan? Then you grease it where does the grease go? Maybe in stainless steel, but the design won't get it tight enough using your wrists for typical chain binding loads. The old style binder is faster no threads to rust.
Watched video, read a few comments. IMO ... reliable old-school lever binders ... that are laid out CORRECTLY. Correctly means no twisted chains and binder hooks are opposingly mirrored (leaving no chance for hooks to swivel) and when tension is applied by hand, the handle is no more than half-way past closed. Then and only then take binder bar (cheater bar) and close. You will find the chain tight (and will stay), binder stays and doesn't fly off wildly. then wrap extra chain around binder handle and secure with a wire tie (baling wire). All that can be done in less time and effort with full confidence it will stay.
Ratchet binders would be stronger and less confusing and most likely just as quick. The only thing this may save a couple seconds on is the release amd putting it away... that might be slightly faster than a ratchet binder. However the ratchet binder is going to be much tighter.
Is there a way to keep it from spinning in reverse, some sort of lock for that, so that it doesn't back out from the vibrations of driving down the road? It looked like the pin just keeps anything from activating the quick release. Also, I still think it would be good to have some way to turn/tighten it while applying leverage, like a bar or lever, If they would just take this concept, the tightening and quick release on one side with the swivel on the other, and apply the same ratcheting motion we use today, I could see that being a really good binder.
Not bad better than the original type like that. I found a ratchet strap chain binder that runs a chain through it, so not not a nylon strap) and it's super quick and easy to use. Two strokes of the lever in two seconds it's all tight!
Another big secret that has actually saved me is taken a bungee cord and hooking it up on the. And if it ever comes loose, the bungee cord maintains tension. Sounds cheesy but it's a great safety measure😊😊😊😊
I think it might twist loose. Maybe the swivel end need some sort of locking to reduce the chance that tension created friction isn't enough to keep things tight, especially after it is greased to reduce rusting. I don't think a locking-nut would completely stop twisting it loose. The top links on tractors lock one side to reduce twisting things loose.
Well, having used chain binders on log trucks for a number of years, I don’t see a single advantage to these binders. They look slower than conventional binders, have a lower working load and have a pin to get lost. I can apply a standard lever style chain binder in a few seconds and tighten it with a short length of pipe in no time. And it is very easy to adjust to a different chain link if needed to shorten things. This is one of those classic “solution looking for a problem” products. I have yet to see anything beat the simplicity and durability of a good quality lever binder.
Yes, you are right. Most people aren't very familiar with traditional tie downs . Once you use traditional ones a lot, you'll find they actually work quite well.
The lever style works just as good and more safe when it comes to holding because you could always put something around the end to lock it and hold it down just have to watch when you undo it but this one looks like it will just come lose to easy for comfort
No offense, but I use regular type chain ratchet binders daily, the rapid binder looks like it provides no chain tension or torque. A ordinary ratchet chain binder has a handle to provide torque to the chain. I don’t see the rapid binder as a improvement. Only gain is the speed you can adjust the length.
I would think a system using a leverage device to turn the mechanism would be more efficient than a human twisting it.
I bought one to try from watching this video…. Terrible piece of equipment! I’m scared to send it because I don’t want to risk someone else getting it 😂. EZ Binder is the best one you recommended, I’m sticking with those
IMHO... I don't see this as any faster than my standard binders. And the 3500 WLL is lower than what I normally use when securing my tractor. I would definitely purchase a set for certain low weight applications, but only if the pricing is lowered at some point.
Nope
That function would be cool as an ADDITION to a ratcheting load binder, but with the lack of a handle giving you any kind of leverage the best you're going to get with this thing is 'snug' unless you carry around a pipe wrench to use on it..
I'm not sold on these. They might be fine for smaller equipment like sub compact tractors. But I'd much prefer the standard binder or Speed Binders that use a small impact driver.
Unfortunately i dont think this is a good idea. I dont see how its going to stay tight. Plus the 3500 wll means its really compared to a strap. A normal binders rated 9200 wll. 3/8 chain is 6600 usually and a 1/2 chain which is 11300. Long story short. This is yet another relatively expensive product. That doesnt solve any issues. This is way more expensive than a strap. Harder to use. I just dont see any versatility in this.. cool idea. Impractical in the real world
Looks like a pain in the butt to me! I'll stick with the old style!
Is it DOT approved?
I’ll stick with ratchet binders and speed binders.
I’m not seeing it.
-too long
-no real way to torque it down.
- no way to lock it down from spinning out.
Edit: normally I’m an optimist and love new ideas, but I just can’t here.
I'll bet you love rachet straps
I was thinking the same thing. Bouncing down the road isn't it going to spin and loosen?
@@ThePrybra07 no. They won't if it's quite tight
@@robertmoulton2656 nah. Just a good ole chain and ratchet binder. Never let me down yet. But ratchet straps do have their place in load securement. They do not have a place in equipment securement though, which I’m sure that’s what your slur was referencing. 😂
In reference to if the unit is tight then it won’t loosen, I’ve found the opposite effect of if super tight the binder is perfectly straight and has more chance to loosen and not much lateral load.
@@robertmoulton2656
Because you own them already???? 🤔
This is an excellent "homeowner" chain binder, but has absolutely no commercial application...
I'd say that's the exact application
Those have no business securing a load, give a false sense of securment.
Thank you for the demo/product review, it showed me that my old school chain binders or a ratchet binder are a far superior option when securing a load on my trailer.
Myself who spent 47 yr's in trucking including heavy haul this is a non starter. Cranking this up by hand with no leverage involved will never apply enough tension on the chain to be effective or safe. Just another attempt to reinvent the wheel...in this case an unsafe one in my opinion.
Some products make Us think “ there’s no need in trying to reinvent the whee” , This would be one of those times
After watching that demonstration, I’ll stick to my speedbinders
No Goodyear.
Love the idea of the versafork incredible idea
Aside from the semi quick release I’m not seeing the improved design. At least with the lever style tie down you’re able to make darn sure your equipment is tied down securely. I’m not knocking this product, I’m just thinking maybe we’re missing a step in the procedure? 🤷🏼♂️
No lever to tighten it properly, and the release does not work under tension. I'll pass.
I’ll stick with my ratchet binder
Somehow I missed the good part. The new binders I like have an impact gun socket where you tighten them with a impact gun.😅😅😅😅❤
I have that style and I haven't been sold on them. I went back to the old ratchet style boomers.
You’re a good dude-love your channel and maybe if we honed technique down a bit, but honestly just makes me wanna bust out my ratchet binders and be done with it quicker and known reliable lol
Seems like an answer to a question that nobody is asking? Looks like it takes longer and has less load capacity..
buy 10 extra retraining pins. you'll need them
Doesn't look easier to me and no real way to cinch it tight.
that looks like more work than a ratcheting binder to me
Give me a good old ratchet
binders over that any day
I don't see how that is any better or easier than my ratchet style binders?
A few bumps later and it's loose. It requires a locking mechanism on the ratchet so it can't back off on it's own.
Good morning! You didn’t seem to be feeling much love for this product either. Not for me… it looks like a solution for a problem that doesnt exist. I use Rachel binders that have folding handles and keep them fully extended when stored so hook up involves absolutely no time to extend the ends. Plus you can’t get those tight all and they look like they will back off and loosen during transit as well. Thanks for showing these though. It’s hard to improve on a product that’s worked flawlessly for a long long time and still does.
Maybe good enough for Garden tractors but not much else.
The Handle of a "Normal" binder keeps it from turning on it's own..
I have turnbuckle style binders with detached handles. They never come loose on their own.
If a regular ratchet-style binder had a quick release on one end that didn't diminish the strength, that might be worth having.
Thanks for the demonstration but, I'll stick with my chain binder with a folding handle,
I'd rather a ratchet style binder, I wouldn't trust that binder, doesn't have anything to stop it from backing off as it shakes going down the road.
OMG, before you actually try to sell that thing you should rewatch the video, I didn't see anything Rapid about it unless I was throwing it in the junk pile, I'd first have to drink a 6-pack of Budlight before I buy that.............
Lebus binder has been cinching loads for 50+ years, with simplicity! This thing you have here is several pieces of nonsense. JMHO.
Love your channel,, dont care for this product.
I prefer a lever style chain binder; simple, fast, safe.
While the retaining pin prevents the handle from lifting, what prevents the whole thing from unscrewing and loosening itself?
Friction
Good luck with that @@Itsa_Mea
Yeah, this showed me enough to NOT want to buy this product. I appreciate people wanting to innovate and make life easier but sometimes well enough should be acknowledged and should be left alone.
Looks like a dud to me. WLL of 3/8" G70 chain is 6600 #. Even 5/16" G70 chain has a WLL of 4700#. Both are more than the WLL of 3500 # for this binder even though their website says it's designed for use with 5/16" or 3/8" chain. As such, I don't see the point. I'll stick with the traditional ratcheting binders with a WLL higher than the chain I'm using.
Why is this called a 'Rapid Binder'? Looks like all of the work plus none of the leverage of a handle, plus a pin to lose.
Straight trash. Useless. There is no way that binder will ever get as tight as one should be. DOT would laugh at it. And with the time spent fiddling around, you could have already had two or three ratchet binders tight.
Overall, from what I see, I'm not too impressed with it. Looks like you need a lot of hand strength (not good). Next, seems like (IDK) it has a low working load limit? And three, is it D.O.T. certified? It is compact though, and that's a good thing.
I think this product has started in a good route, but when you are tying down THOUSANDS of pounds of equipment. I am not going to trust a binder that I have to twist by hand to secure it down. I'm going to keep my ratchet binders and put some leverage behind the chains to make sure they are not going anywhere. Last thing I want to do is look in my mirror and see the equipment sitting on the road because the chains didn't get tight enough because all I am relying on is twisting a binder by hand without any way to get some leverage behind it.
I think a regular binder works just as good
I use ratchet binders they work and tighten down way easies than what you just showed. That doesn't work for me at all.
Not impressed at all. There is no way to put any good torque on the chain. When transporting anything with tires especially larger tractors that are only running 8-20 psi in the tires you need to really be able to torque them down or they will bounce and bend chain links. Ratchet binders are definitely the best so far. The binders that use a impact gun are ok but it's one more piece of equipment to carry. I really don't think that selling these will have the best results for you.
There are better one's already available with a real working weight limit. These are just tinker toys
a regular boomer & cheater pipe is the best way to go for any tiedown & way more simpler that all that mess shown here in the video . . . .good grief🤦🤦🤦
That might work for strong young people i am an older person and do not see that working for people like me and my wife. But good idea.thanks
Interesting concept. As always, I'll tell you the truth. Great concept but wrong application. I could have all 4 corners cinched down with 4 boomers in the time it took you to do one. If they came in a kit together with a 36" Ridgid aluminum handle pipe wrench you might have some takers, but I'm sticking with my lever and ratchet style binders.
Why?? The old chain binder is better
looks like junk too much hand twisting
The quick release is the only advantage that I can see.
I 'd rather use the ratchet binders. I have had good success with those...
I try to be open to new ideas, but if im being honest this seems like a terrible design. I could do 5 ratchet binders faster than 1 of these. And itd be safer and more reliable. Its an interesting design for sure!
There is no way I would use that binder and there's no way d o t Would allow it because there's no way to block it. It will vibrate loose.
Have no idea how there are sold out.
They only had four to sell!😅🤣
EZ Binder have two sets
Look at speed binder.....
There's not enough mechanical advantage to properly secure your load. It is very convenient but I would be afraid to use it.
Maybe for a four wheeler, sxs, or small tractor. But the small working load limit and lack of abilty to tighten down a load are real problems for me. Especially on higher weight equipment. Im used to having my chains absolutely sing when they're properly cinched down. Those chains were flopping. That's not nearly safe enough in my book. And certainly not for a good sized tractor. Im betting that most of the folks who bought these are hobbyists with tiny little hydrostatic drive tractors of 25-30 hp or less, and that weigh 4000 lbs or less. I just can't see anyone with a 45,000 dollar 8500 lb machine giving these a serious look. Even if the gross weight rating is for 14k, with 4 of them being used on the corners.
Just a thought. Do you spin it on till it's snug with that handle open, then put the pin in and close the handle to snug it up?
Doesn't seem like a time saver and to many parts to lose
Color me unimpressed.
Was ready to buy one til I saw him use it.
Great idea, love it.
No thanks thats not a smarter way
Looks WAYYY To Gimmick e to me!
How is that easier?
Good morning. Keep in mind a G70 5/16 chain is 4700 working load limit. That binder is 3500 working load limit, so that chain is equal to the weakest point of securement, being the binder.
But if you're able to give up 1200 lbs you're golden. Application will be the guide.
Theory is there, but I'd like to see the working load limit closer to the 4700 lbs.
But they are selling out so there's a market.
Be safe everybody.
That's more work than a regular binder! Where's the rapid part? Doesn't DOT require the load limits on the product? They want you to wrap your hands around the binder and twist it? Total fail!
I don’t care for that I like the handle and the torque you get when ratcheting it down would not like the 18 wheelers using them just with gripping and trying to roll it tight
Nice looking product but the working load limit is a bit low for me my ratchet straps have a higher working load limit.
What happens when the threads rust in Michigan? Then you grease it where does the grease go? Maybe in stainless steel, but the design won't get it tight enough using your wrists for typical chain binding loads. The old style binder is faster no threads to rust.
Looks like a lot of wok rather have yhe rachet type
I know you've hauled more stuff than me however it looks like you are doing it wrong .
Yeah, but how many cinder blocks have you hauled?!? 😂
@GoodWorksTractors true. I think it would show itself better on an actual tractor.
Keep up the good work and merry Christmas.
I figured this video would bring out the armchair experts. 😂
You have got too have a handle on those for a big tractor you need to really tighten that down.
It's a 3500 lb working load limit...not really designed for "big tractors".
CHEATER BAR AND OLD STYLE FAST AND EASY
You should do a time trail - that verses a normal load binder.
Watched video, read a few comments. IMO ... reliable old-school lever binders ... that are laid out CORRECTLY. Correctly means no twisted chains and binder hooks are opposingly mirrored (leaving no chance for hooks to swivel) and when tension is applied by hand, the handle is no more than half-way past closed. Then and only then take binder bar (cheater bar) and close. You will find the chain tight (and will stay), binder stays and doesn't fly off wildly. then wrap extra chain around binder handle and secure with a wire tie (baling wire). All that can be done in less time and effort with full confidence it will stay.
Ratchet binders would be stronger and less confusing and most likely just as quick. The only thing this may save a couple seconds on is the release amd putting it away... that might be slightly faster than a ratchet binder. However the ratchet binder is going to be much tighter.
Is there a way to keep it from spinning in reverse, some sort of lock for that, so that it doesn't back out from the vibrations of driving down the road? It looked like the pin just keeps anything from activating the quick release. Also, I still think it would be good to have some way to turn/tighten it while applying leverage, like a bar or lever, If they would just take this concept, the tightening and quick release on one side with the swivel on the other, and apply the same ratcheting motion we use today, I could see that being a really good binder.
Not bad better than the original type like that. I found a ratchet strap chain binder that runs a chain through it, so not not a nylon strap) and it's super quick and easy to use. Two strokes of the lever in two seconds it's all tight!
Another big secret that has actually saved me is taken a bungee cord and hooking it up on the. And if it ever comes loose, the bungee cord maintains tension. Sounds cheesy but it's a great safety measure😊😊😊😊
I've got ratchet binders that run circles around that. Not useful in my opinion
I think it might twist loose. Maybe the swivel end need some sort of locking to reduce the chance that tension created friction isn't enough to keep things tight, especially after it is greased to reduce rusting. I don't think a locking-nut would completely stop twisting it loose. The top links on tractors lock one side to reduce twisting things loose.
and then when the square threads wear it'll pop free.
Well, having used chain binders on log trucks for a number of years, I don’t see a single advantage to these binders. They look slower than conventional binders, have a lower working load and have a pin to get lost. I can apply a standard lever style chain binder in a few seconds and tighten it with a short length of pipe in no time. And it is very easy to adjust to a different chain link if needed to shorten things. This is one of those classic “solution looking for a problem” products. I have yet to see anything beat the simplicity and durability of a good quality lever binder.
Yes, you are right. Most people aren't very familiar with traditional tie downs . Once you use traditional ones a lot, you'll find they actually work quite well.
I just don't see the advantage of this over a ratchet binder.
Pretty slick. Time is money.
I'll keep my 40 year old Woods binders and the pips I use to over center them
The lever style works just as good and more safe when it comes to holding because you could always put something around the end to lock it and hold it down just have to watch when you undo it but this one looks like it will just come lose to easy for comfort
Not for me
No offense, but I use regular type chain ratchet binders daily, the rapid binder looks like it provides no chain tension or torque.
A ordinary ratchet chain binder has a handle to provide torque to the chain.
I don’t see the rapid binder as a improvement. Only gain is the speed you can adjust the length.