27 years of listening to untrained experienced riders. I learned more in 3 week after purchasing the Ride like a Pro bundle. Awesome program. Thanks a ton.
@@slimdudeDJC I tend to agree. I'd like to add that Palladino, Morris at MC Rider and MotoJitsy are my top three, with the fireman just a smidge behind. Each has his own style and each has been indispensable in my lifelong motorcycle learning journey. I know there are other excellent motorcycle rider channels out there but the internet has way too much and a person only has so much time in a day. These aforementioned guys happen to ones I chose to stick with.
Absolutely beautiful explanation. As a cruiser rider myself, I did know about leaning with the bike at higher speeds. What I didn't know was keeping my head level with the horizon. Despite already knowing some of this stuff, I still learned something new. I did notice when I tried counterlean, it felt more natural, but I did feel a bit uneasy leaning the bike too much even though I was never going too fast where I run out of lean angle. Since I'm on a cruiser, my fear is always running out of lean angle. I'll try to spread your video. This deserves more views. You just gained a new subscriber! Hope you get many more! You deserve it!
He's a great video maker and he does his research on his topics. I think he is talking mostly about sport bikes. When it comes to riding, sound good advice to keep us safe is what works!
Why would anyone hate the guy. He's funny and gives some good info. And I'm saying that after he recommended Sure ear phones which I purchased for about 175 bucks and they don't sound as good as the 5 dollar junk I got free with a cd player 10 years ago. Ok, so he's hit and miss.....
@@motorman857 That wasn't a slam at him. His videos are very professional and I laugh at them every time I watch; and I watch regularly. He does however have his critics and I can't say I agree with him all the time. He gets people talking and that is good thing.
He’s got the best production of videos I’ve ever seen, they are top notch movie quality. I subscribed after just one video. He’s knowledgeable and researches the topic thoroughly also.
Jerry, this video is a gamechanger for me! I've been leaning with the motorcycle thinking that's the right way, but staying upright on the twisty roads has improved my riding exponentially in just one weekend! First of all the view! I can see the entire corner and can see the exit much sooner, allowing me to better select my lines and even pick up my pace. It also allows me to counter-steer much more effectively! At first I thought the bike would lean a lot more by staying upright but it leaned the same amount, because again I'm not racing, just cruising in the twisties, and I feel way more in control! YOU DA MAN JERRY!!!
I always ride about 50% of my total riding potential . Someone told me that a long time ago and thanks 🙏 god i never got motorcycle accident or fell off . I ride to enjoy the road and the motorcycles not to be the best or win a race . The only race I want win is getting old riding motorcycle “ Live to Ride “ . Thanks good video !
I'm 68 years old and I've been riding since I was 16. (at least on the road) I watch these videos because I'm often learning something new. I thought I knew it all. I was wrong. Thanks for the videos!!
Jerry, I've said this before but I really really appreciate what you do. I have been riding for just under a year now and have clocked several thousand miles in a fairly short time on different types of bikes. I favor cafe racer style bikes with "spirited" engines but I ride them like a spirited grandma - which is to say, their power is probably wasted on me 😂. But I roll back into the driveway after each ride happy and exhilarated and in one piece. You have taught me so much that has kept me safe and still having fun. Thank you (again!!!)
I began riding at age 50. I started with a basic rider’s course. I am an avid student, so to speak, of riding. I thoroughly enjoy these videos, Jerry. I will soon purchase your instructional DVDs. Thank you for sharing tour knowledge and experience with us.
I will have to say Motorman put it simply and professionally. If anyone could not understand what he said they don’t understand the English language. Just ride like a pro!
@@mosmotorcyclejourney9067 I agree 100% Not taking away from any of the others because there are a handful of fellows that do a very nice job of teaching. I just relate better with Jerry. Maybe it’s my age of 61. I just know that what he says goes in and I can comprehend everything he is saying.
@@martyportersr7008 yeah. I agree not trying to take from no one else out there that does this however I am 50 and what he says and how he says it just sinks in with me. Thanks for your reply Marty. Be safe out there
Kerry, there is so much wisdom in what you are saying. Cruiser and Touring bikes are designed to cruise along and enjoy the ride. They are not for racing and no motorcycle should be raced and taken to the absolute limits on the public streets. I own a Victory Vision Premium Tour which has phenomenal lean angle capability, but while that is nice to have, I have never had to or want to push it to the limit. Always keep your riding within your skill level and enjoy the view. Always allow the reserve for the emergency or surprise.
Jerry ur videos are always informative sir. Anyone watching with COMMON SENSE & ur 100% correct, common sense isn’t that common. Very well done with care & common sense sir.
What I like about Fortnine is that he goes into the physics and math, he also talks about off road. His last video was good and I would think it would be awesome if you reached out to him and invite him to your rider course. Think about that video.
But he doesn't know the physics or the math.....for example take a look at his video on the Dyna death wobble, he claims it's because of 2 shocks in the rear and no 2 shocks respond exactly the same........sounds good right......except all the other bikes in the world with 2 shocks in the rear Then there's the crotch rockets that have tank slappers......exactly the same thing as Dyna death wobble but it can't be called something like death wobble that too scary......and of course the crotch rockets have a single shock in the rear.....hmmmmm But he is very good at making something sound right
@@rugershooter5268 F9 is no Physicist, and certainly not a very good one. His channel is Entertainment and Politics, not Physics. or Science in general, or Motorcycles, or Transportation in general. Perhaps his handlers want him presented as a TH-cam entertainment scientist with political intent, but Science isn't his forte. Many real motorcycle channels have F9 trumped with educational content, I don't have to tell anyone. I'd rather hear the subject matter from experienced qualified professionals than a political entertainment talking head, and not a very entertaining or smart head at that.
Finally! Someone who is saying what you should do plain & simply! I have struggled with how to tackle a bend at speed and therefore straying wide at times! I shall continue now applying your advice, thank you
I watched the F9 vid, and the MotoJitsu, MC Rider, and RLAP replies... I think they're all basically on the same page, and I totally agree with the "don't ride like a f**king a**hole on public streets/roads" ✌️
Great common sense advise from Ride like a Pro. I’ve ridden hard into winding roads and sure like the Adrenalin but always feel lucky when it stands back up. I take it easy now & enjoy the ride a whole lot more.
I was the one that asked you for your perspective, and first of all thank you so much! I like twisty roads like the tail of the dragon, and ride a Harley very conservatively so really was curious what you thought, and this was very helpful! You da man!
I have a 2017 Softail and the lean angle is pretty restricted. What I found was speed matters and the techniques that Jerry discusses in many of his TH-cam videos are great advice for approaching and going through corners.
"Don't speed on roads or you will get hurt" 4:48 "but if you do pick up speed you can lean a bit" and a car immediately turns in front of him. So true...
His name is Ryan, and the company is Fort Nine. It's Canada's equivalent to RevZilla and Cycle Gear. He's an employee, and he has spearheaded their social media marketing efforts since the beginning of their brand.
He's an employee? The way he presents himself, I could have sworn he was the owner. I knew that they had a store, but I always thought it was a store based off the channel not the other way around.
You are exactly correct. After riding 55 years, it is totally instinct, slow and shallow curves, I stay straight. Some tighter curves, and above 35-45, I lean Some. Every now and then my boards touch, but not often. Great, great video.
That was a great simple explaination of an overly confused topic. Anyone who needs to know more should be attending one of the track schools, your school or one of the fantastic flat track programs where leaning is taught in depth. MOST street riders that I have spoken to do not understand why the GP guys go so low...they just want to look cool. I have been hanging on to two wheels for over fifty years now and have noticed something that occurs in even very experienced riders. Myopia Very few riders look past their own experience and while they might have a decent handle on their style of riding, real comprehension stops there. If you talk to a pro flat tracker, a pro motocrosser, a pro GP rider and a really seasoned street rider such as a cop, you will find four completely different dissertations on leaning the body and the bike, all completely valid. Any of those first three pro's will shave seconds or minutes off your lap time when you are pushing body and machine HARD. The fourth pro will keep you alive and healthy on public streets. I love to go fast. This is what track days are for. Actually they are a bargain. So is training outside your main area of interest. No matter how you slice it, unless you are earning money for riding it is a hobby. Invest in your hobby and you will have more fun, stay heathier and live longer. I have not ridden offroad in forty years. As I age and have more time, the adventure bikes become more attractive so I am attending an offroad class this Winter. I am certain to experience a few paradigm shifts. Again, great summary of what 99% of riders need to know. Fantastic content in general. Cheers!
Hi Jerry, I take my skills test tomorrow the 17th. I ride a 89’ Yamaha virago 750. Depending on the turn, I can very easily scrape pegs. Watching your videos has helped myself, and my roommate who’s learning to ride and very scared to lean. Thank you for all your wisdom.
i fell down the rabbit hole watching all these videos after i got back on a bike here not too long ago. i took the MSF course along with my son even though i already had my endorsement. I wanted to set a good example for him and make sure he starts out on the right foot. funny thing is he passed the riding portion and i had to retake it. i guess having to break bad habits and actually THINKING about what and how i ride, through me off. but i find a lot of these videos very informative and I'm very thankful that these instructors take time out to make them. i do high voltage linework for a living and i tell all my apprentices that ill show you my technic and other journeyman will show you their way. but at the end i want you to be safe and comfortable with your skills. same struggles.
We are all just passionate . Age doesn't matter and not all qualified instructors are actually good ( for some it is just a paycheck job). Ytbers just share tips , knowledge and experience. In the end every rider is responsible for their own riding . Practice practice practice in a way one cannot harm other road users is the way to go. Thanks for all your vids , the globe around they are appreciated.
Great vid Jerry 👍 Really well explained. Ps Yeah I see lots of peeps who think they are MotoGP riders on the road and are hanging off the low side, and end up crashing big time on the other side of the road into the guardrail / barriers etc, as they got no experience at high speed cornering.
Hey MotorMAN your videos and your TH-cam channel has help me be a better rider it’s awesome when you know what you’re doing riding is more fun thank you God bless you and wife
I know probably no one will read this comment since the video has been up a year, but I have to tell it anyway with your “ride like a maniac comment.” So agree! I was watching a young kid. I’m 54 and have been riding decades, and he was 20ish, so kid to me. So this kid is on a brand new sport bike and it was obvious he was new to riding and WAAAYYYY too excited about being on a sport bike. He was pushing it and barely had control. He’s riding through the main boulevard in town which is divided with bushes and trees down the center. He stops at a stop light and when it turns green, he hit that accelerator and likely also must have popped that clutch way too fast. He instantly goes into to an uncontrolled and seemingly unplanned wheelie. He was up in for just a second, the bike turned like a unicycle and he and shiny new bike landed smack in the bushes. I stopped to make sure he was ok and he immediately jumped up with, “I’m fine! I’m fine!” in that ‘I meant to do that’ sorta way. I was a kid once, so I waited til I drove off to start busting up laughing. Lucky kid that he had an experience in humility that was only embarrassing and not deadly. I hope he learned from it.
These videos are great and spot on, I have been riding all my life, at 65 I find these a great refresher, as I haven't ridden in quite a few years (Harley's) and am getting back into riding.......these are Graet...thanks Jerry!
Great points as usual. Sadly, many video creators are more about their sensational value than content of skill development. And it's not just Biker videos that have limited usefulness.
I just got my permit. Very little experience on closed roads but mostly dirt bikes. It's also been a while. These videos have been priceless in the mental part. Now I have to save up for my first motorcycle. What do you ride?
I’m late to the party here but talking about putting a knee down on the street prompted a memory. I had the pleasure of working for a prominent race team almost 2 decades ago. They were champions in both 450 and 250 super moto, and champions and 2nd place super sport road racing. They also had a manufacturing facility where they built and sold all the race parts they ran. All told probably 40 people there daily… all enthusiasts. Nobody rode on the street, at all. They all club raced or rode dirt bikes. I was shocked, I asked my manager why nobody rode to work?? It’s a fast way to a short life is what he said.
You explained it better than all the others!! Better than FortNine, better than MotoJitsu, better than MCRider! As usual your content is top notch and in my opinion your videos should be the standard norm!!
FortNine has been a fantastic resource for me ever since I started riding. Just completed the RLAP course in Maryland on Sunday on a big cruiser after living on sportbikes it was worth every last penny spent. Will be picking up the videos and some cones to practice solo before taking the course again in the spring, maybe this time in Florida
Very very informative and much appreciated. I always wondered about that extreme racing style of putting your knee darn near on the ground going into a turn laying the bike almost completely on its side.
keep you head level... I was using this advice today riding my dirt bike on the trails. Lots of sandy corners and I kept dropping towards the inside until I remembered to keep my head level. when I ride sand or loose dirt, I let the bike lean under me to put my weight on the inside knobs for traction.
I've been riding on and off for the last 35 yeas and solid the last 4. I am by no means an expert. However, what I know to be true is this ... Each ride or situation during a ride requires different techniques because of the style of bike you're riding, the speed, and road conditions. As I have learned many tricks/tips by watching videos about riding motorcycles. I have found this to be another truth ... Without practicing those tips/tricks it does me no good and makes me a potentially unsafe rider. BTW, I am owner of Ride like a pro. And it is making a better rider the more I practice the tricks/tips. Thanks, Jerry. Ride smart. Ride often. Cheers!
A couple of things: 1. Don’t play chicken with the oncoming traffic on those lonely two way streets (get off the center line). A car needs more room than a motorcycle. 2. The speed limit sign is posted there because that’s the safest speed at which you can control your vehicle on that particular piece of the highway, section of the road as determined by the highway department of motor vehicles or highway safety. So how can my riding buddy lean his Harley Davidson Road Glide so far over on these curvy roads we (he likes) take? Because he’s a real tall guy. He’s looking down at it. That’s my guess. Nice talk!
I'm glad you brought up that fact about the lean angle on the bike being about 32 degrees. I've heard riders talk about going through a corner at 45 degrees or more. It always feels like more than it is. Cruisers, tour bikes, and I'm guessing most sport-tour bikes aren't going to see 45 degrees of lean.
Great point, there is absolutely no reason to lean cruisers to that degree. To give you an idea, the most I have ever leaned my sport bike (an s1000rr) was 48 degrees and that was truly scary yet incredible to experience. Keep it calm on public roads guys.
I agree with all points here. The one instance I would say dropping a knee on the street is applicable is if you find yourself in a situation where you've accidentally come into a corner too hot. Obviously this shouldn't be the case, but it happens. A rider should be proficient with that technique, and keep it in their back pocket to pull out as a last resort if taking the turn is their last option. Similar to how pilots train for a go around as a last resort, if the landing doesn't go right at the last minute. This is especially the case on cruisers, as they have less lean angle available. In an emergency situation; it could be the difference between levering the back tire and low siding, or successfully negotiating the curve.
If no one has thanked u for these videos I for one would like to I've finally recently acquired a motorcycle which was a life long dream I've put 200 miles on my bike and half of that I've been pretty much scared shitless I definitely have been binge watching ur videos I know you are a busy person but I'm trying to complete the most important part of this dream license if u could maybe give me a few on one tips I would be so grateful and happy
Go to ridelikeapro.com and get yourself the Ride Like a Pro Experience, video. You will then know the exact order in which you need to practice the 3 techniques.
You are all right. If you NEED to drop a knee in a corner on the street you are going way too fast. Maybe I am old but picking a corner and riding it at the correct speed, entry and exit so you feel like you are floating along the road is the mark of a good public road rider. Keep the knee dropping for the track.
"the street is not a racetrack" ENGRAVE THAT. I've seen plenty of old timers on bikes, and they all have one thing in common, they lived to ride that long because they didn't take stupid chances like that. Follow them, otherwise you'll end up as the fastest biker on a mortician table. Is that the way you wanna go? A side note, the internet is a wonderful tool for knowledge, but you first need to learn how to seek out knowledge. A clear example is this scenario. Albeit the info might be correct, I'll more readily trust a source such as him, with real world experience, certified experience, as a moto officer and instructor, over some guy with a go pro and X weeks on the bike (and I'm not pointing at anybody in particular here, it was just an example)
You should still be careful who you trust regardless of credentials. A good educator should be able to explain themselves in detail regardless of what their supposed credentials say. I trust what he says because what he says make sense and he explained it well. Anyone can lie about credentials, but a good educator shines through regardless of what their credentials say. He explained it better than F9, MotoJitsu or McRider. MotoJitsu, on the other hand, is dangerous, despite claiming to be some safety instructor. As he mentioned in this video, if you're trying to drag knee, you're on the wrong bike. MotoJitsu pushes his subscribers to drag knee in his drills of his book, including cruisers. I'm guessing most of his subscribers just think "I'm just not that good", but someone might get killed trying it.
The reason I say be wary of credentials is because I got burned by MotoJitsu for simply having credentials. I'm certainly not doing it again with another youtuber, but I'll trust him based on his ability to explain and make sense, not his credentials. I mean, its nice that he had credentials, but people with credentials can give bad advice too. That's all.
@@joemann7971 knee dragging on the street is stupid regardless of the bike, but on a cruiser is borderline suicidal. Scrape the floorboards, they dig into asphalt, and before you know you're launched in the air like a trebouchet boulder.
@@undead9999 only time I've ever scraped floorboards is in the parking lot, and that's only because I'm literally pushing the bike down at low speeds. But to be fair, knee dragging isnt dangerous simply because you're dragging knee. Its dangerous because of how fast you need to go in order to drag knee properly. At low speeds, its not really possible to drag knee since the bike just doesn't want to lean that far. If you lean towards the inside, you'll just stand up the bike more.
This is where you need that Insta360 camera so you can mount it behind you so we can SEE what you are talking about. 😉 Been practicing more over that last month and continually refer to the training I received from you. ☀️👍🏼⚙️👇🏽🐄🤙🏼🌞
Jerry, love your videos and info. But, hey man you live in the "flat straight" land. I too live in mostly straight runs; I can find some mild twisties around Lake Mead. Which at my age is fine by me. My days of pushing thru the twisties like Topanga canyon in California and trying to drag my raised exhaust pipes are over. Although, here in the Las Vegas area we have raised areas at the inside of the turn next to the curb. So when you are trying to cut sharp into the turn you have to know that your inside may scrape bottom. Keep up the good work. Learned a lot from your videos. Thanks.
I have to ask, what was the purpose of this video? You essentially agreed with everything Ryan said; shift your weight high (let the bike lean under you) in low speed maneuvering, and lean with the bike at riding speed. While you concentrated on street riding, Ryan contrasted track, street, and adventure riding and the reasons for different leaning styles in each. I like Fortnine because he brings math and physics into his explanation. I like your videos because you bring a lifetime of learned experience and expertise into your explanations. You don't need to fight every other riding content creator. Can't we all just get along?
Problem is everyone rides different bikes, so they see things from their own perspective. I ride cruiser bikes, so I'm following his perspective. I tend to lean into the corners too, but not at fast speed. The fast speed is used on the apex of the turn to bring the bike up and then I ease off the throttle and let the momentum take over. That's my take.
I made this video because several of my viewers asked my opinion on fortnines video. What was the problem with his video? Ya got me. As for the technique, I gave a link at the end of my video to the video I did back in 2017. th-cam.com/video/sxKsutCVhUQ/w-d-xo.html
Thank you very much for this article again as usual try to see as many of your videos as I can they've been very helpful and informative hope to meet you at Leesburg sometime
" You could be killed or seriously killed" Man, I really don't want to be seriously killed. I love how motorman slips a few sly ones in every now and then...
That made me laugh. He caught it right way but instead of correcting it, he followed up "seriously killed is when the last thing you see is your motorcycle running you over". 😂😂
Wow funny I was just talking about this very subject the other day. When making a tight low speed u-turn I was asked why did my butt shift over far in the seat? I laughed and said I don't know, its instinctive, I always done it that way and it works for me. I just thought it was part of put your eyes where you want your bike to go, you know the look through. I'm not a trained rider I'm just lifetime rider experienced. I always end it with go watch some ride like a pro videos Jerry will explain it better!
I surmise that motorcycle crashes would be cut by 70% or better were there no reckless speeding. If you have a need for speed, take it to the track, Jack.
@@PetrolJunkie Yes, and I stand corrected. I should have said 'motorcycle crash fatalities'. And I agree, we can't spend too much time in parking lots practicing low speed skills.
I don't see why there is all this controversy! 🤣🤣🤣 Fortnine was only discussing the different techniques and the science behind them. His clickbait title for the video implied that some people might be leaning incorrectly. And some riders do, because they have not learned how to ride correctly at different speeds and are trying to use one technique for all speeds. Fortnine was correct in the science of what he said. He just assumed people had common sense (not so common says Motorman! 🤣🤣🤣) and would know from his explanations which techniques were for which speed. I am guessing it was lost because many people didn't understand the scientific explanation of forces. He essentially said the same thing MC Rider and Moto Jutsu later further explained. Thanks for further educating the masses, Motorman. My wife is registered for the Ride Like a Pro course in Arizona next month.😉 I wish we could go to Florida for it, but that isn't an option at this time. 😒
I'm wanting to get a bike may have to get a trike with my bad knees maybe after surgery I will be fine to do a two wheel you and the motorcycle cop from California do very good video his is called paying it forward I do like the time you to take to explain things I would love to take lessons from either of you to . Keep the good video coming
I used to keep my body more or less upright in all turns at all speeds. At Lee Parks motorcycle school I learned to get my body slightly to the inside at anything resembling a sporty speed and that REALLY helped my riding on mountain roads. You don't have to hang off or put a knee down but just get your weight a little inside of the center of the bike. So I don't think keeping the body upright works for everybody even at modest speeds. HOWEVER looking at Mike Hailwood ride the 1965 Isle of Mann TT you notice that he is keeping his body upright in most of the turns. Just goes to show that there is no single answer for how to ride a motorcycle. A lot depends on what works for you.
Once upon a time there was an interesting video put out by FortNine about different types of leaning techniques. Greg brought out a friendly suggestion that counter lean is only good for slow speeds. It was a useful point to make and we all listened. But what did we hear? In the distance, MC Rider came riding along and yelled that one should not use the road for racing and knee down cornering. Greg's head almost exploded: it became bigger and bigger. He yelled: "I'm the OG and the rest is phony and fake" and threw shit all over the others. But be quite, now I hear sirens. Yes, is that ... Dan Dan the fireman? Dan suddenly appeared with blood red eyes saying something nasty ... and a bit funny too. Some said that Greg deserved the nasty comment, others argued that Greg deserved it. And so here the tale continues. Jerry appeared with that big old beast to remind everybody who the real OG is ;-)
It was clear to me when MotoJitsu posted his response, that he had not listened to understand, he had listened to respond. Now he's just doubling down without clarification and I'm actually disappointed in his response. He's feeding the street Rossi's.
Greg never threw shit on nobody. He’s response was very respectful towards the other guy’s opinion . And he made the video based on people’s requesting it .
@@marcmondragone3452 Check his post out (and Dan's response). th-cam.com/users/postUgyhjxVoo0g5QpVAx_p4AaABCQ?lc=Ugx24nErv5IjulsTMyZ4AaABAg.9SJxB-lozMX9SLv0fIhEU2&lc=Ugx24nErv5IjulsTMyZ4AaABAg.9SJxB-lozMX9SLv0fIhEU2
@@joemann7971 Good one! It still needs an ending though. Like: "Finally they all met at a rally. Greg wanted to fight, Dan got his medical kit out, F9 run off never to be heard from again, and Jerry fell asleep on his big Harley. And everyone lived happily ever after"
😂 My floorboards are pretty worn on the undersides. I ride an '05 Heritage which is a little low for high speed curves (not that it goes very fast). The scariest thing about highway curves is going over a bump, pothole or dip. When you live North of the 49th, most highways are full of bumps, potholes and dips (there are a lot of dips ON bikes, as well).
He should make a collab video with motorman. That sort of exposure would help him out, as well as help rectify any misunderstandings from F9s last video.
I feel when i do a normal turn with lean on a 300 pound bike it helps a lot more rather than stay upright .With a bit of back brakes plus a little acceleration. Thats what im used to and it works for me. Nice tight turn not coming into the turn wide.
Hey Jerry - sorry for the late reply, but I am doing it right...my Goldwing will be fully legal on the road tomorrow - I have been a good boy and not riding it illegally. lol Oh and the temptation!! I will have a video for you of my novice riding on a big bike very soon and send it to your email. Just want to let you know I didn't forget, I am simply and slowly "getting there". :)
Well said Jerry. Hey, when are you getting a franchise going out here in Cali? I'm not saying I could coach it but I'd come take it every year just to stay sharp 👊😉
We had two training locations lined up in California last year, of course, with your State's lockdown's, restrictions on new business and red tape, both instructors put everything on hold. If anything changes, we'll let you know. They were going to be in the San Diego and Santa Rosa areas.
Riders who ride really fast like racers may lean in, but NOT me. I don't ride fast. I look at Motojitsu's speedometer going through corners and he often is 10 to 30 mph above speed limit. OK, I may be an old geezer, but I rarely am above speed limit, so I either counter lean like motorcycle cops or I am neutral. Just my style.
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27 years of listening to untrained experienced riders. I learned more in 3 week after purchasing the Ride like a Pro bundle. Awesome program. Thanks a ton.
Totally agree.
Waiting for mine to be delivered. Can’t wait to start the journey.
Getting my first bike next week, I'm going to have to get this book!
On this particular matter, as with other riding matters, Palladino said the most with the fewest words possible. Much appreciated!
Not disparaging the other guys, but for my most trusted motorcycle riding info I'm rolling with the Motorman!!
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I tend to agree. I'd like to add that Palladino, Morris at MC Rider and MotoJitsy are my top three, with the fireman just a smidge behind. Each has his own style and each has been indispensable in my lifelong motorcycle learning journey.
I know there are other excellent motorcycle rider channels out there but the internet has way too much and a person only has so much time in a day. These aforementioned guys happen to ones I chose to stick with.
Jerry Palladino...........Simple Truth, Simple Answers, No Bull, YOU LEARN!! Thats the mark of a good teacher. Thanks!!
Absolutely beautiful explanation. As a cruiser rider myself, I did know about leaning with the bike at higher speeds. What I didn't know was keeping my head level with the horizon. Despite already knowing some of this stuff, I still learned something new.
I did notice when I tried counterlean, it felt more natural, but I did feel a bit uneasy leaning the bike too much even though I was never going too fast where I run out of lean angle. Since I'm on a cruiser, my fear is always running out of lean angle.
I'll try to spread your video. This deserves more views. You just gained a new subscriber! Hope you get many more! You deserve it!
Love him or hate him; Fortnine gets the community talking about a subject on a regular basis.
He's a great video maker and he does his research on his topics. I think he is talking mostly about sport bikes. When it comes to riding, sound good advice to keep us safe is what works!
Why would anyone hate the guy. He's funny and gives some good info. And I'm saying that after he recommended Sure ear phones which I purchased for about 175 bucks and they don't sound as good as the 5 dollar junk I got free with a cd player 10 years ago. Ok, so he's hit and miss.....
@@motorman857 That wasn't a slam at him. His videos are very professional and I laugh at them every time I watch; and I watch regularly. He does however have his critics and I can't say I agree with him all the time. He gets people talking and that is good thing.
He’s got the best production of videos I’ve ever seen, they are top notch movie quality. I subscribed after just one video. He’s knowledgeable and researches the topic thoroughly also.
@@motorman857 He's often talking above my head, and I'm an engineer. OK folks, kill me now!
Jerry, this video is a gamechanger for me! I've been leaning with the motorcycle thinking that's the right way, but staying upright on the twisty roads has improved my riding exponentially in just one weekend! First of all the view! I can see the entire corner and can see the exit much sooner, allowing me to better select my lines and even pick up my pace. It also allows me to counter-steer much more effectively! At first I thought the bike would lean a lot more by staying upright but it leaned the same amount, because again I'm not racing, just cruising in the twisties, and I feel way more in control! YOU DA MAN JERRY!!!
“To lean or not to lean, that is the question.” Billy Shakespeare
Lmaooo
I always ride about 50% of my total riding potential . Someone told me that a long time ago and thanks 🙏 god i never got motorcycle accident or fell off . I ride to enjoy the road and the motorcycles not to be the best or win a race . The only race I want win is getting old riding motorcycle “ Live to Ride “ . Thanks good video !
I'm 68 years old and I've been riding since I was 16. (at least on the road) I watch these videos because I'm often learning something new. I thought I knew it all. I was wrong. Thanks for the videos!!
Jerry, I've said this before but I really really appreciate what you do. I have been riding for just under a year now and have clocked several thousand miles in a fairly short time on different types of bikes. I favor cafe racer style bikes with "spirited" engines but I ride them like a spirited grandma - which is to say, their power is probably wasted on me 😂. But I roll back into the driveway after each ride happy and exhilarated and in one piece. You have taught me so much that has kept me safe and still having fun. Thank you (again!!!)
I began riding at age 50. I started with a basic rider’s course. I am an avid student, so to speak, of riding.
I thoroughly enjoy these videos, Jerry. I will soon purchase your instructional DVDs.
Thank you for sharing tour knowledge and experience with us.
Nobody has a monopoly on knowledge. This video was quick and concise. Appreciate clearing up a subject that so many have made confusing to us noobs.
I enjoy watching various motorcycle channels and try to get benifits from them. Let's face it they all want a piece of the pie.
Glad i have a trustworthy channel I can go to and get solid answers. Thank you sir!
I will have to say Motorman put it simply and professionally. If anyone could not understand what he said they don’t understand the English language.
Just ride like a pro!
Said very well Marty. He is good and I have learned a lot from him. Best instructor on TH-cam
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I agree 100% Not taking away from any of the others because there are a handful of fellows that do a very nice job of teaching. I just relate better with Jerry. Maybe it’s my age of 61. I just know that what he says goes in and I can comprehend everything he is saying.
@@martyportersr7008 yeah. I agree not trying to take from no one else out there that does this however I am 50 and what he says and how he says it just sinks in with me. Thanks for your reply Marty. Be safe out there
Kerry, there is so much wisdom in what you are saying. Cruiser and Touring bikes are designed to cruise along and enjoy the ride. They are not for racing and no motorcycle should be raced and taken to the absolute limits on the public streets. I own a Victory Vision Premium Tour which has phenomenal lean angle capability, but while that is nice to have, I have never had to or want to push it to the limit. Always keep your riding within your skill level and enjoy the view. Always allow the reserve for the emergency or surprise.
Sorry for getting your name wrong. It was typo.
Jerry ur videos are always informative sir. Anyone watching with COMMON SENSE & ur 100% correct, common sense isn’t that common. Very well done with care & common sense sir.
What I like about Fortnine is that he goes into the physics and math, he also talks about off road. His last video was good and I would think it would be awesome if you reached out to him and invite him to your rider course. Think about that video.
He goes into the physics and math - that doesn’t mean he’s right.
This is to the point.
That's all well and good, but using my mental calculator when I'm approaching a sharp turn isn't going to help if I'm moving too fast...
But he doesn't know the physics or the math.....for example take a look at his video on the Dyna death wobble, he claims it's because of 2 shocks in the rear and no 2 shocks respond exactly the same........sounds good right......except all the other bikes in the world with 2 shocks in the rear
Then there's the crotch rockets that have tank slappers......exactly the same thing as Dyna death wobble but it can't be called something like death wobble that too scary......and of course the crotch rockets have a single shock in the rear.....hmmmmm
But he is very good at making something sound right
@@rugershooter5268 F9 is no Physicist, and certainly not a very good one. His channel is Entertainment and Politics, not Physics. or Science in general, or Motorcycles, or Transportation in general. Perhaps his handlers want him presented as a TH-cam entertainment scientist with political intent, but Science isn't his forte. Many real motorcycle channels have F9 trumped with educational content, I don't have to tell anyone. I'd rather hear the subject matter from experienced qualified professionals than a political entertainment talking head, and not a very entertaining or smart head at that.
@@Inuktuuk I ain’t no yank
The fortnine video may be too technical (e.g. force vectors) for most folks but is really excellent.
Finally! Someone who is saying what you should do plain & simply! I have struggled with how to tackle a bend at speed and therefore straying wide at times! I shall continue now applying your advice, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Sage advice all around. Thank you for sharing your knowledge while we all enjoyed the seemingly perfect day (blue sky) you chose to roll out on.
I watched the F9 vid, and the MotoJitsu, MC Rider, and RLAP replies... I think they're all basically on the same page, and I totally agree with the "don't ride like a f**king a**hole on public streets/roads" ✌️
Great common sense advise from Ride like a Pro. I’ve ridden hard into winding roads and sure like the Adrenalin but always feel lucky when it stands back up. I take it easy now & enjoy the ride a whole lot more.
I was the one that asked you for your perspective, and first of all thank you so much! I like twisty roads like the tail of the dragon, and ride a Harley very conservatively so really was curious what you thought, and this was very helpful! You da man!
Exactly. I'm in Michigan and the roads here are generally much the same. I own a softail and I usually just let the bike move under me in most curves.
I have a 2017 Softail and the lean angle is pretty restricted. What I found was speed matters and the techniques that Jerry discusses in many of his TH-cam videos are great advice for approaching and going through corners.
Semper Fidelis
"Don't speed on roads or you will get hurt" 4:48 "but if you do pick up speed you can lean a bit" and a car immediately turns in front of him. So true...
His name is Ryan, and the company is Fort Nine. It's Canada's equivalent to RevZilla and Cycle Gear. He's an employee, and he has spearheaded their social media marketing efforts since the beginning of their brand.
He's an employee? The way he presents himself, I could have sworn he was the owner. I knew that they had a store, but I always thought it was a store based off the channel not the other way around.
You are exactly correct. After riding 55 years, it is totally instinct, slow and shallow curves, I stay straight. Some tighter curves, and above 35-45, I lean Some. Every now and then my boards touch, but not often. Great, great video.
That was a great simple explaination of an overly confused topic. Anyone who needs to know more should be attending one of the track schools, your school or one of the fantastic flat track programs where leaning is taught in depth. MOST street riders that I have spoken to do not understand why the GP guys go so low...they just want to look cool.
I have been hanging on to two wheels for over fifty years now and have noticed something that occurs in even very experienced riders.
Myopia
Very few riders look past their own experience and while they might have a decent handle on their style of riding, real comprehension stops there.
If you talk to a pro flat tracker, a pro motocrosser, a pro GP rider and a really seasoned street rider such as a cop, you will find four completely different dissertations on leaning the body and the bike, all completely valid.
Any of those first three pro's will shave seconds or minutes off your lap time when you are pushing body and machine HARD.
The fourth pro will keep you alive and healthy on public streets.
I love to go fast. This is what track days are for. Actually they are a bargain.
So is training outside your main area of interest. No matter how you slice it, unless you are earning money for riding it is a hobby. Invest in your hobby and you will have more fun, stay heathier and live longer.
I have not ridden offroad in forty years. As I age and have more time, the adventure bikes become more attractive so I am attending an offroad class this Winter. I am certain to experience a few paradigm shifts.
Again, great summary of what 99% of riders need to know.
Fantastic content in general.
Cheers!
I don’t plan on becoming maggot food anytime soon, so I’ll continue to listen to motorman👍🏾
Hi Jerry, I take my skills test tomorrow the 17th. I ride a 89’ Yamaha virago 750. Depending on the turn, I can very easily scrape pegs. Watching your videos has helped myself, and my roommate who’s learning to ride and very scared to lean. Thank you for all your wisdom.
You're welcome, happy to help. Good luck on your skills test tomorrow, let me know how it goes.
@@motorman857 hello again, it’s been a busy couple of days. I passed, the PA test is a lot easier than I imagined it to be. Thank you for your luck.
Always a great video from the Motorman. I am a better, safer, more skilled rider because of the videos and Jerry’s class. Thank you!
i fell down the rabbit hole watching all these videos after i got back on a bike here not too long ago. i took the MSF course along with my son even though i already had my endorsement. I wanted to set a good example for him and make sure he starts out on the right foot. funny thing is he passed the riding portion and i had to retake it. i guess having to break bad habits and actually THINKING about what and how i ride, through me off. but i find a lot of these videos very informative and I'm very thankful that these instructors take time out to make them. i do high voltage linework for a living and i tell all my apprentices that ill show you my technic and other journeyman will show you their way. but at the end i want you to be safe and comfortable with your skills. same struggles.
Your my riding coach and I ride a 2018 gsxr 1000R. I'm definitely lonely here. I choose experience over all. Take care and thanks for the help!
We are all just passionate . Age doesn't matter and not all qualified instructors are actually good ( for some it is just a paycheck job).
Ytbers just share tips , knowledge and experience. In the end every rider is responsible for their own riding . Practice practice practice in a way one cannot harm other road users is the way to go. Thanks for all your vids , the globe around they are appreciated.
Man, I love that big, blue cloudy sky. You're state definitely has its strong points. Thanks again for the tips, pal.
As usual, another solid video by The Motorman, filled with useful information. Thank you, sir.
Great vid Jerry 👍 Really well explained. Ps Yeah I see lots of peeps who think they are MotoGP riders on the road and are hanging off the low side, and end up crashing big time on the other side of the road into the guardrail / barriers etc, as they got no experience at high speed cornering.
Hey MotorMAN your videos and your TH-cam channel has help me be a better rider it’s awesome when you know what you’re doing riding is more fun thank you God bless you and wife
I know probably no one will read this comment since the video has been up a year, but I have to tell it anyway with your “ride like a maniac comment.” So agree! I was watching a young kid. I’m 54 and have been riding decades, and he was 20ish, so kid to me. So this kid is on a brand new sport bike and it was obvious he was new to riding and WAAAYYYY too excited about being on a sport bike. He was pushing it and barely had control. He’s riding through the main boulevard in town which is divided with bushes and trees down the center. He stops at a stop light and when it turns green, he hit that accelerator and likely also must have popped that clutch way too fast. He instantly goes into to an uncontrolled and seemingly unplanned wheelie. He was up in for just a second, the bike turned like a unicycle and he and shiny new bike landed smack in the bushes. I stopped to make sure he was ok and he immediately jumped up with, “I’m fine! I’m fine!” in that ‘I meant to do that’ sorta way. I was a kid once, so I waited til I drove off to start busting up laughing. Lucky kid that he had an experience in humility that was only embarrassing and not deadly. I hope he learned from it.
Thank you again Jerry for another to the point free lesson on motorcycle riding.
Jerry...you'''re the man...I'm a fan...have a nice day !!!
I have the same jacket, protection and mesh, i put pads in as well, i wear it all the time but needing a fall,winter jacket.
These videos are great and spot on, I have been riding all my life, at 65 I find these a great refresher, as I haven't ridden in quite a few years (Harley's) and am getting back into riding.......these are Graet...thanks Jerry!
Glad to help!
Great points as usual. Sadly, many video creators are more about their sensational value than content of skill development. And it's not just Biker videos that have limited usefulness.
Thats one beautiful sky and a beautiful day to ride! Im a beginner been riding for a week lol. Thanks for the videos
Welcome to the club!
I just got my permit. Very little experience on closed roads but mostly dirt bikes. It's also been a while. These videos have been priceless in the mental part. Now I have to save up for my first motorcycle. What do you ride?
I’m late to the party here but talking about putting a knee down on the street prompted a memory.
I had the pleasure of working for a prominent race team almost 2 decades ago.
They were champions in both 450 and 250 super moto, and champions and 2nd place super sport road racing.
They also had a manufacturing facility where they built and sold all the race parts they ran.
All told probably 40 people there daily… all enthusiasts.
Nobody rode on the street, at all.
They all club raced or rode dirt bikes.
I was shocked, I asked my manager why nobody rode to work??
It’s a fast way to a short life is what he said.
Great video, sir. Completely agree with you. Didn't like all the controversy created around fortnine's video
You are the only utuber I watch.
You explained it better than all the others!! Better than FortNine, better than MotoJitsu, better than MCRider! As usual your content is top notch and in my opinion your videos should be the standard norm!!
FortNine has been a fantastic resource for me ever since I started riding. Just completed the RLAP course in Maryland on Sunday on a big cruiser after living on sportbikes it was worth every last penny spent. Will be picking up the videos and some cones to practice solo before taking the course again in the spring, maybe this time in Florida
I love your video’s and you teach the real important stuff without the bs! 👍
Very very informative and much appreciated. I always wondered about that extreme racing style of putting your knee darn near on the ground going into a turn laying the bike almost completely on its side.
keep you head level... I was using this advice today riding my dirt bike on the trails. Lots of sandy corners and I kept dropping towards the inside until I remembered to keep my head level. when I ride sand or loose dirt, I let the bike lean under me to put my weight on the inside knobs for traction.
Thanks for the great video, answered a lot of my questions on this topic
I've been riding on and off for the last 35 yeas and solid the last 4. I am by no means an expert. However, what I know to be true is this ...
Each ride or situation during a ride requires different techniques because of the style of bike you're riding, the speed, and road conditions.
As I have learned many tricks/tips by watching videos about riding motorcycles. I have found this to be another truth ...
Without practicing those tips/tricks it does me no good and makes me a potentially unsafe rider.
BTW, I am owner of Ride like a pro. And it is making a better rider the more I practice the tricks/tips. Thanks, Jerry.
Ride smart. Ride often.
Cheers!
A couple of things: 1. Don’t play chicken with the oncoming traffic on those lonely two way streets (get off the center line). A car needs more room than a motorcycle. 2. The speed limit sign is posted there because that’s the safest speed at which you can control your vehicle on that particular piece of the highway, section of the road as determined by the highway department of motor vehicles or highway safety.
So how can my riding buddy lean his Harley Davidson Road Glide so far over on these curvy roads we (he likes) take? Because he’s a real tall guy. He’s looking down at it. That’s my guess. Nice talk!
I'm glad you brought up that fact about the lean angle on the bike being about 32 degrees. I've heard riders talk about going through a corner at 45 degrees or more. It always feels like more than it is. Cruisers, tour bikes, and I'm guessing most sport-tour bikes aren't going to see 45 degrees of lean.
Great point, there is absolutely no reason to lean cruisers to that degree. To give you an idea, the most I have ever leaned my sport bike (an s1000rr) was 48 degrees and that was truly scary yet incredible to experience. Keep it calm on public roads guys.
I agree with all points here. The one instance I would say dropping a knee on the street is applicable is if you find yourself in a situation where you've accidentally come into a corner too hot. Obviously this shouldn't be the case, but it happens. A rider should be proficient with that technique, and keep it in their back pocket to pull out as a last resort if taking the turn is their last option. Similar to how pilots train for a go around as a last resort, if the landing doesn't go right at the last minute.
This is especially the case on cruisers, as they have less lean angle available. In an emergency situation; it could be the difference between levering the back tire and low siding, or successfully negotiating the curve.
If no one has thanked u for these videos I for one would like to I've finally recently acquired a motorcycle which was a life long dream I've put 200 miles on my bike and half of that I've been pretty much scared shitless I definitely have been binge watching ur videos I know you are a busy person but I'm trying to complete the most important part of this dream license if u could maybe give me a few on one tips I would be so grateful and happy
Go to ridelikeapro.com and get yourself the Ride Like a Pro Experience, video. You will then know the exact order in which you need to practice the 3 techniques.
Compared to how I rode 6 hours ago iam a pro thank u so much again u did save my life how much is the video
@@caseycrownover8329 20 bucks
I’m not an expert but very much agree with what you are saying here. Thanks for the great videos.
Man fort nine must have the widest cross section of watchers? Good video here
Thank you I was wondering about that, cause I do that getting on I-4 ramp when it got tight turn.
I'm subscribed to u both and u both give top advice
I want to be like you when I grow up. Thank you for the great content.
Thanks for the good instructions and advice.
Yes, and I have a Super Cub and wouldn’t think of putting my knee down so I’ll never be a black belt and that’s ok.
You are all right. If you NEED to drop a knee in a corner on the street you are going way too fast. Maybe I am old but picking a corner and riding it at the correct speed, entry and exit so you feel like you are floating along the road is the mark of a good public road rider. Keep the knee dropping for the track.
"the street is not a racetrack"
ENGRAVE THAT.
I've seen plenty of old timers on bikes, and they all have one thing in common, they lived to ride that long because they didn't take stupid chances like that. Follow them, otherwise you'll end up as the fastest biker on a mortician table. Is that the way you wanna go?
A side note, the internet is a wonderful tool for knowledge, but you first need to learn how to seek out knowledge. A clear example is this scenario. Albeit the info might be correct, I'll more readily trust a source such as him, with real world experience, certified experience, as a moto officer and instructor, over some guy with a go pro and X weeks on the bike (and I'm not pointing at anybody in particular here, it was just an example)
Well said!
You should still be careful who you trust regardless of credentials. A good educator should be able to explain themselves in detail regardless of what their supposed credentials say.
I trust what he says because what he says make sense and he explained it well. Anyone can lie about credentials, but a good educator shines through regardless of what their credentials say.
He explained it better than F9, MotoJitsu or McRider.
MotoJitsu, on the other hand, is dangerous, despite claiming to be some safety instructor. As he mentioned in this video, if you're trying to drag knee, you're on the wrong bike. MotoJitsu pushes his subscribers to drag knee in his drills of his book, including cruisers. I'm guessing most of his subscribers just think "I'm just not that good", but someone might get killed trying it.
The reason I say be wary of credentials is because I got burned by MotoJitsu for simply having credentials. I'm certainly not doing it again with another youtuber, but I'll trust him based on his ability to explain and make sense, not his credentials. I mean, its nice that he had credentials, but people with credentials can give bad advice too. That's all.
@@joemann7971 knee dragging on the street is stupid regardless of the bike, but on a cruiser is borderline suicidal. Scrape the floorboards, they dig into asphalt, and before you know you're launched in the air like a trebouchet boulder.
@@undead9999 only time I've ever scraped floorboards is in the parking lot, and that's only because I'm literally pushing the bike down at low speeds.
But to be fair, knee dragging isnt dangerous simply because you're dragging knee. Its dangerous because of how fast you need to go in order to drag knee properly. At low speeds, its not really possible to drag knee since the bike just doesn't want to lean that far. If you lean towards the inside, you'll just stand up the bike more.
This is where you need that Insta360 camera so you can mount it behind you so we can SEE what you are talking about. 😉 Been practicing more over that last month and continually refer to the training I received from you. ☀️👍🏼⚙️👇🏽🐄🤙🏼🌞
Riding is dynamic. There’s no one answer to every situation. There wouldn’t be “controversy” about cornering if people recognized this fact.
Simple and to the Point Jerry ! Great Uncomplicated Advise !
Glad you liked it
I was speaking to an old timer. Former CHP. You mirror his advice.
Jerry, love your videos and info. But, hey man you live in the "flat straight" land. I too live in mostly straight runs; I can find some mild twisties around Lake Mead. Which at my age is fine by me. My days of pushing thru the twisties like Topanga canyon in California and trying to drag my raised exhaust pipes are over. Although, here in the Las Vegas area we have raised areas at the inside of the turn next to the curb. So when you are trying to cut sharp into the turn you have to know that your inside may scrape bottom. Keep up the good work. Learned a lot from your videos. Thanks.
I have to ask, what was the purpose of this video? You essentially agreed with everything Ryan said; shift your weight high (let the bike lean under you) in low speed maneuvering, and lean with the bike at riding speed. While you concentrated on street riding, Ryan contrasted track, street, and adventure riding and the reasons for different leaning styles in each. I like Fortnine because he brings math and physics into his explanation. I like your videos because you bring a lifetime of learned experience and expertise into your explanations. You don't need to fight every other riding content creator. Can't we all just get along?
Problem is everyone rides different bikes, so they see things from their own perspective. I ride cruiser bikes, so I'm following his perspective.
I tend to lean into the corners too, but not at fast speed. The fast speed is used on the apex of the turn to bring the bike up and then I ease off the throttle and let the momentum take over.
That's my take.
I made this video because several of my viewers asked my opinion on fortnines video. What was the problem with his video? Ya got me. As for the technique, I gave a link at the end of my video to the video I did back in 2017. th-cam.com/video/sxKsutCVhUQ/w-d-xo.html
Hello Jerry i have been practicing with the drop guards i Think i am ready for your class
Adding that clip of pro racers was a good idea!
Thank you very much for this article again as usual try to see as many of your videos as I can they've been very helpful and informative hope to meet you at Leesburg sometime
" You could be killed or seriously killed" Man, I really don't want to be seriously killed. I love how motorman slips a few sly ones in every now and then...
That made me laugh. He caught it right way but instead of correcting it, he followed up "seriously killed is when the last thing you see is your motorcycle running you over". 😂😂
Wow funny I was just talking about this very subject the other day. When making a tight low speed u-turn I was asked why did my butt shift over far in the seat? I laughed and said I don't know, its instinctive, I always done it that way and it works for me. I just thought it was part of put your eyes where you want your bike to go, you know the look through. I'm not a trained rider I'm just lifetime rider experienced. I always end it with go watch some ride like a pro videos Jerry will explain it better!
Beautiful sky to accompany an excellent riding info
I use to lean with the motorcycle until I almost crash in to the guardrail now I just counterbalance on a turn it makes it super easy
I surmise that motorcycle crashes would be cut by 70% or better were there no reckless speeding. If you have a need for speed, take it to the track, Jack.
@@PetrolJunkie Yes, and I stand corrected. I should have said 'motorcycle crash fatalities'. And I agree, we can't spend too much time in parking lots practicing low speed skills.
Street is not a race track! Amen!! 🙏
Great clarity on these techniques Jerry. Thank you. Tell Donna hello.
That’s Keyboard Colonel to you sir! I have been promoted!!
I don't see why there is all this controversy! 🤣🤣🤣
Fortnine was only discussing the different techniques and the science behind them. His clickbait title for the video implied that some people might be leaning incorrectly. And some riders do, because they have not learned how to ride correctly at different speeds and are trying to use one technique for all speeds. Fortnine was correct in the science of what he said. He just assumed people had common sense (not so common says Motorman! 🤣🤣🤣) and would know from his explanations which techniques were for which speed. I am guessing it was lost because many people didn't understand the scientific explanation of forces. He essentially said the same thing MC Rider and Moto Jutsu later further explained.
Thanks for further educating the masses, Motorman. My wife is registered for the Ride Like a Pro course in Arizona next month.😉
I wish we could go to Florida for it, but that isn't an option at this time. 😒
I'm wanting to get a bike may have to get a trike with my bad knees maybe after surgery I will be fine to do a two wheel you and the motorcycle cop from California do very good video his is called paying it forward I do like the time you to take to explain things I would love to take lessons from either of you to . Keep the good video coming
I used to keep my body more or less upright in all turns at all speeds. At Lee Parks motorcycle school I learned to get my body slightly to the inside at anything resembling a sporty speed and that REALLY helped my riding on mountain roads. You don't have to hang off or put a knee down but just get your weight a little inside of the center of the bike. So I don't think keeping the body upright works for everybody even at modest speeds. HOWEVER looking at Mike Hailwood ride the 1965 Isle of Mann TT you notice that he is keeping his body upright in most of the turns. Just goes to show that there is no single answer for how to ride a motorcycle. A lot depends on what works for you.
Once upon a time there was an interesting video put out by FortNine about different types of leaning techniques. Greg brought out a friendly suggestion that counter lean is only good for slow speeds. It was a useful point to make and we all listened. But what did we hear? In the distance, MC Rider came riding along and yelled that one should not use the road for racing and knee down cornering. Greg's head almost exploded: it became bigger and bigger. He yelled: "I'm the OG and the rest is phony and fake" and threw shit all over the others. But be quite, now I hear sirens. Yes, is that ... Dan Dan the fireman? Dan suddenly appeared with blood red eyes saying something nasty ... and a bit funny too. Some said that Greg deserved the nasty comment, others argued that Greg deserved it. And so here the tale continues. Jerry appeared with that big old beast to remind everybody who the real OG is ;-)
It was clear to me when MotoJitsu posted his response, that he had not listened to understand, he had listened to respond. Now he's just doubling down without clarification and I'm actually disappointed in his response. He's feeding the street Rossi's.
Greg never threw shit on nobody. He’s response was very respectful towards the other guy’s opinion . And he made the video based on people’s requesting it .
@@marcmondragone3452 Check his post out (and Dan's response).
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Seems you been improving on your story. You might as well give it a name.
"The TH-cam MC Battle of 2021"
@@joemann7971 Good one! It still needs an ending though. Like: "Finally they all met at a rally. Greg wanted to fight, Dan got his medical kit out, F9 run off never to be heard from again, and Jerry fell asleep on his big Harley. And everyone lived happily ever after"
😂 My floorboards are pretty worn on the undersides. I ride an '05 Heritage which is a little low for high speed curves (not that it goes very fast). The scariest thing about highway curves is going over a bump, pothole or dip. When you live North of the 49th, most highways are full of bumps, potholes and dips (there are a lot of dips ON bikes, as well).
I wonder if Fortnine is gonna make a reaction video to everyone’s reaction video
He should make a collab video with motorman. That sort of exposure would help him out, as well as help rectify any misunderstandings from F9s last video.
I feel when i do a normal turn with lean on a 300 pound bike it helps a lot more rather than stay upright .With a bit of back brakes plus a little acceleration. Thats what im used to and it works for me. Nice tight turn not coming into the turn wide.
There are “Old” Motorcyclists and there are “Bold” Motorcyclists.But! there are No! “old bold” Motorcyclists.
😁😁
You can’t beat the “Old” sayings.
Make that your bumper sticker lol
Hey Jerry - sorry for the late reply, but I am doing it right...my Goldwing will be fully legal on the road tomorrow - I have been a good boy and not riding it illegally. lol Oh and the temptation!! I will have a video for you of my novice riding on a big bike very soon and send it to your email. Just want to let you know I didn't forget, I am simply and slowly "getting there". :)
Well said Jerry. Hey, when are you getting a franchise going out here in Cali? I'm not saying I could coach it but I'd come take it every year just to stay sharp 👊😉
We had two training locations lined up in California last year, of course, with your State's lockdown's, restrictions on new business and red tape, both instructors put everything on hold. If anything changes, we'll let you know. They were going to be in the San Diego and Santa Rosa areas.
Slow down below my max comfort level speed and natural body position on a curve, that's my recipe to enjoy my ride and go home safely
Riders who ride really fast like racers may lean in, but NOT me. I don't ride fast. I look at Motojitsu's speedometer going through corners and he often is 10 to 30 mph above speed limit. OK, I may be an old geezer, but I rarely am above speed limit, so I either counter lean like motorcycle cops or I am neutral. Just my style.
Are you seriously dead when you get seriously killed as compared to plain dead when you get plain killed? 🤣🤣🤣
Gotta love complex existential questions!
Well, one of them is serious and the other one isn't. Duh! Some of us just have a 1-Up mushroom lying around somewhere.
Perhaps most of your viewers ride cruisers…but some of us ride ADV bikes who just want to be better riders.