7 String Vs Baritone Guitar... (Harley Benton)
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Wanna tune lower? Baritone. Want more notes? 7 string. Want both? Baritone 7 string! It’s that simple 🤘
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For me the big benefit of a baritone is the increased tension. That way you can use lighter gauge strings for drop tunings, which will fatigue your hands less. The other positive is having the lighter string will change the timbre slightly, typically allowing more mids and less bass.
This. This exactly. I would be interested in the same test but with lighter gauge strings on baritone, same tuning.
Less bass...a positive? Never!!!
@@yvngdxtr6166 drowning out the actual bass isn’t a positive though
@@yvngdxtr6166 it is. lack of overtones is a minus in all of the instruments. you get a muddy fuzz when you’re hitting the amp with too much fundamental, so less bass(more mids) is a must in a metal guitar especially, they even invented tubescreamer for that, its essentially a bandpass filter set on 1khz
I mean why wouldn't you just get a 7 string guitar and use an EQ pedal in that case
In the full mix demo I didn't even realize you played both. I was waiting for the 7 string full mix only to find out I already got it. In the solo demo I felt like the 6 string has a slight bit more definition in the high end. But that was extremely subtle and might have even been in my head.
Nah, man, I've heard it too. But it's really almost unnoticeable. As for me, if you can't afford buying a lot of guitars for a lot of tunings - just use a frickin' Digitech Whammy drop!) (Or put an 8-string set on a 7 string, as I do😑)
@@unclepryanik7969 id prefer a nasty setup on a 7 rather than an 8. i don't think i'll ever get an 8 id just find some sort of longer scale 7 string
Haha 😂 i thought its only Me.. I was waiting for 7 string demo mix later i get to know it's all together. I dint noticed much of a difference in demo mix..
Bro, same.
These guitars look and sound absolutely killer. I hope Harley Benton eventually expand the Amarok series with 28" and 30" scale models
They did but it has p90s. 30 inch scale. Sold out hours after it was available last month.
Ah nm. I re-read your comment you said Amarok.
"Want both? Baritone 7 string!"
- Then they should finally give us a Harley Benton Amarok 7 Baritone!
9 String Vs DjentStick next please!
This needs to happen
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It didn't sound too different, if at all. I assume the string tension felt a little better on the baritone though.
I didn't even notice the switch too be honest.
Loved that bass wasn't cut or reduced for the mix, definitely subscribing.
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Great demo! I have that exact baritone, same color and everything. It’s shockingly good, and it feels premium in the hands. For the price, I’d urge anyone thinking about it not to even hesitate.
I'd wanna hear both at lower gain tones. I'm sure they're still pretty close but the more distorted the tone is the more differences between the two are going to masked.
Wow these are very nice guitars. Excellent demonstration
I love this kind of comparison between two twins guitars, thank you!
About sound: it was strange, not as expected, too electronic with strange fx effect??
I bought the black version of the baritone and it very quickly became my favorite guitar. being a 6 string player this was an easy decision for me personally. ive only had this guitar for about a week or two now and i have barely put it down. the guitar itself is made EXTREMELY well and and tone is *chefs kiss* For being one of the cheaper baritones out there, i HIGHLY recommend this one
7:44 Dang, imagine being born into playing only 7 and 8 string guitars 😳🙉 Boomer me has never even touched a 7 string guitar, lol! Those didn't even exist when I was starting out. I'm happy thrashing out with a good ol' regular 6 slinger! 🤘
My answer is: play what is more comfortable for you. Baritone has longer neck, 7-string got it wider, so I play classic 6 string tuned to Drop C with 10's strings and I'm using Archetype Gojira plugin with whammy pedal to change the tuning. It works really well, even if I want to play Double Drop C.
0:00 What's up Andrew Baena, everyone's here
Instantly the baritone sounds a slight bit tighter and more focused. My best guess is because the added scale length leads to less pitch drift. Both sound sick tho
This was perfect!
More definition on the Baritone during the chugging parts due to the longer scale length. It all comes down to the question do you need the whole board for the higher notes or do you want a chugging machine
Nice video man !
So you have any recommendations for whammy bar setup for drop C drop a tunings ?
What set up would work nice for that
For periphery , currents style of Riffs and leads
The 7-string chugs a bit deeper when palm muted. I do agree that you should just get what makes you happy. 🤘🤘🤘
Honestly this is great, I got a baritone 8 string without realizing it was baritone and I love it. I think it's more of a feel difference if anything. It's a little heavier, but it makes the guitar feel nice when playing, it feels "warmer" somehow
what kinda baritone 8 is it?
For me the biggest noticeable difference is the way the two feel. Not necessarily just because of the tension but the fret spacing on the shorter scale definitely feels more effortless once you go back to it from the baritone. At least for me it does. Although I am old and have arthritis 😂
I have a baritone and a low tuned standard six. the width of the fret board on a 7 didn't jive with me. you dont need a 7 or a baritone if youre not going lower than drop A (G for me been playing downtuned a long time and am very used to lower tension)
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could you do something like this on a cleaner amp/capture? I tend to sit more on fusion and want to hear a back to back. I think a lot of the reason people say to get one or another is the stigma and nonplayer ideas between a 6 string and 7 string player.
Baritone sounded a little bit more tight in the bottom end, problaby due to the longer scale length, but it‘s just a 5-10% difference.
I wish they‘d make a 7 string with a 27“ scale
Get a fanned fret guitar almost all 7 string are 27" - 25.5" Multiscale Neck. Best of both worlds, just takes a few weeks to get used to.
Hi! I have got myself an Amarok-7, but can't normally intonate low B: moved saddle all the way up, 12th fret higher by 5-10 cents, 24th fret by 15-25 cents. Have you tried to intonate on 24th fret?
It's a nice fight something like Harley Benton Ja baritone VS amarok 6!
They honestly sounds the same. This video helps a lot thank you for what your doing.
I have the 6 string version and is fucking amazing.the emgs sounds brutal
I was thinking about buying trhe harley benton baritone amarok, do you think its a good choise for drop e humanitys last breath tone type riffs? Or should i buy a budget 8 string multiscale with passive pickups
Can do a comparison of six string guitar tuned down with heavier strings like 10s or 11s on a floyd rose vs baritone?
Really tryna make up my mind whether i want a squier, danelectro, or gretsch baritone vs an 8 string ibanez. i’m trying to play a range of music but is a baritone enough strings to get by on most Meshuggah songs?
If you are only going to play riffs on the lower strings you might as well get a baritone, but if you want to be able to play leads and solos - more strings could be the better choice. Longer strings will always sound tighter compared to thicker and shorter strings, but you will have a wider range of notes to play with more strings. The pickups on a baritone will also be a bit further away from the center of the string, something that will also influence the tone, but I don't think the difference is huge. You could always get a fan-fret 7- or 8-string, and get the best out of both worlds!
Yeah, in terms of what they sound like there is a very little difference, which only was heard on the solo demo of each. And since you have the same set of strings for both, I guess the main point here would be - what's regarding the tuning stability and playing feel overall between these two, was it that big?
Would a 7 string AMAROK handle DROP C? I'd like to tune that low, however it's not extreme low I guess. And still want that extended range of the 7 string. Would that be OK?
What strings do people recommend for a baritone going for a tuning around a standard? I'm after a tighter string.
Baritone for rhythm, seven string for lead. That's how I always looked at it.
I definitely want that baritone. That's my next guitar
I want to play some Deftones. Steph plays some stuff tuned down to F#, but he's playing an 8 string. Will this scale length baritone go down to F# and if so with what strings and/or modifications and/or sacrifices?
I have a 7 string and a baritone that I can put in the same tuning and it rly just depends on what I'm playing (is this easier to play on a 6 or a 7).
I just got the amarok-bt baritone and the stock strings were way to thick so I tuned it tuned it down to drop g# and they feel more comfortable and for the money it's very amazing
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the seven string sounds like the lower strings are double tracked, or a bass guitar is in the mix. the baritone sounds a bit more honky and chain saw. both good sounds in different contexts.
i play a baritone 7 string and its the best of both worlds for me. not an 8 string person so being able to go to F or lower on a smaller neck is where its at for me. plus eerie high notes
My 7 string guitar is for my leads.
My 8 is for rhythm.
My 9 string allowed me to bury my bassist in the back yard;)
The thing is if you use the same strings on different scale lengths you end up with different feel and sound. trying to match the tension or the feel would be a way better approach. just an idea for a future video perhaps
Personally I could see myself using a baritone just because I like the low growl and I could still compose like I would with a regular 6-string (chord shapes would stay the same etc.).
It would actually be a nice test to do as I only have regular 6-strings and a baritone 7-string at the moment.
Thumbs up cuz it is useful to hear, but I thinks the difference it’s big, the 27 sounds clearer, I think the comparation would be better with both being same scale
7-strings allow for different chord shapes, right?
Ive seen videos on ths before and it seems the wider the neck, less clarity. Longer scale length also helps with this. (im also listening on monitors.)
There’s a slight extra lowend when the 7string kicks in
The difference for me was tiny but the 6 string did sound a bit brighter maybe? In a full mix would never notice the difference though! Great Video! :D
This is what I thought aswell! I immediately started to think them bringing the subtle difference to a mix; having the baritone on one speaker and 7-string on another.
the 7 string sounds like it has more depth to me. but the baritone sounds tight and in place. like you said, it really doesn't matter. I think it will just depend on what feels right. I play 5 string bass; I still have times I would almost prefer a 4 string for stuff
They should give us an HB Baritone with that cushion style roasted maple neck and fretboard.. 6,7,8’s
I’d buy multiple of all 3!
I cant hear a difference with your setup, however if your like me an use chunkier baritone strings with your baritone you do get a different instrument. But I dont Djent, I play dowbtuned but cleaner. But yeah these totally sound the same with your setup.
Curiously what's your take on bass vi strings compared to 8 strings. The E on my bass vi is the same gauge as my friends 9 string C#
Baritone + Evertune = Gold
Absolute killer Combo for recording low tuned stuff.
Great advice, play what you like, for sure.
I noticed the 7 tone was just tiny bit darker.
To your point, play what you like, and EQ the rest, lol
On headphones I hear that Baritone sound better but just a little bit something like 100% vs 102%. But I see that in 7 stringed guitar the strings were more floaty and that might be the case, maybe thicker string could fix the issue.
4:23 vs 4:51
With a 7 you can do a some cool tunings that require that extra string. Either way a bari or 7 is awesome!
What String gauge did you use on the baritone?
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I have regular 6, very good, wish neck was thinner but yeah. In vid can hear difference, but yeah like said doubt many could easily in the mix.
I take it 7s are still more regular scales just, they "left" them like that per say. Maybe most used to it, companies feeling safe with not changing. They should be longer, heck i feel low E needs longer scale in general. As for 6 string baritone with longer scale, the lower tuning is the focus so less higher range on 6 strings makes sense going longer scale then too.
but without the high string, can you get those screechy dissonant notes. (you know the gwee of the jun jun gwee)
In the mix I can't tell. However played solo I can hear a slight bit of lower end growling below the surface. It's either that or more overtones. Not enough of a difference to care though
The only thing I heard that was so subtle was more low end from the 7 string.
the difference is smaller than that of different evh amps when dialed to sound alike.
The less muting I have to do the better. That's why I like baritone 6 string. Also its same chord shapes as regular scale length guitar. Keeps things simple, but I dont really play lead so I dont need the extended range, just the lower tuning
Is it ok to have both? Because I do, and an 8😅
There is a middle ground. My 7 string is a 26.5 scale length. To be fair it’s the only 7 I’ve ever played, so I may be off base. I have it strung with 9-62 tuned to drop A.
I can’t tell much of a difference between the two. I’ve heard the shorter scale lengths have better low-end response and baritone scales usually have a better mid, but this definitely shows that the difference is minuscule. Awesome video man
Definitely doesn’t make a big difference in metal but with bass guitars and less high gain genres, the low end response of different scale lengths is really something you have to think about
You forgot to mention they also have stainless steel frets, unbeatable guitars for the money, I have the reg scale 6 and baritone
I'm sure there is a subtle difference, but it's just that, subtle.
idk i think it does not have that big of a difference so both would do the job.
But with more strings you are gonna have more options with sweeps or notes. But i think i more of a baritone man cuz i like only having 6 string.
think im a little small brain too lmao. But i would love to try more 7/8 string cuz they are awesome
demo song name pls? sick af caught me of guard
Thanks! Just some random riffs I wrote haha
Guitar to guitar variance could explain the very very slight difference in tone. Imo the 7 string sounded slighty more pleasing to my ear. Like the pickups had a tiny bit more articulation through the distortion, but frankly without knowing what was playing I wouldnt be able to tell.
I just need 1 guitar that's perfect for C standard Incantation and Immolation riffs, 1 shred machine with a floyd rose for standard tuning shred training and that 30 inch HB for goofing around with low tunings
less floppy feel for me so 27 inch neck for the win. Agree the sound is the same though
Baritones are easier to play than 7 and 8 string guitars if. If you’ve learned on a 6 string guitar, then you may have some issues as it’s harder to keep your guitar muted with extra strings. Also, it could just be me, but I feel like the strings are closer together on a 7 or 8 string. After learning on a 6 I found myself hitting the wrong strings quite often when I first made the switch to a seven.
Maybe a little chunkier on the 7 string but only slightly if any
i know this is a year old, but tbh i feel like a 7 is easier to come by, at least for entry level, than a baritone. however, if i knew baritones existed before i got a 7, i might have gone that route. though, having had a 7 for almost a decade i do enjoy having that high e. i think a lot of it comes down to what you're wanting to do
the point with baritone would be to tune lower while also using thinner strings, as thiccc strings dull the tone a bit and are a tad bit difficult to play. So using the same set of strings doesnt make a lot of sense - a better test would be to pick string sets from the same brand, that brings both guitars to the same string tension and then compare. For example, you would need a 0.68 gage string on 25.5 to match the same tension on a 27inch baritone, which would just need a 0.62 gage string, that is noticably thinner.
to me I play 7 strings because I wanna play low AND still have standard tuning there so when I play lead all the notes are where they should be! if all I did was play low I would play a baritone.
The 7 string is ever so slightly flubby sounding to me. The scale length probably makes a big difference in feel of the instrument in hand though. The strings on the 7 are to wobbly to me. For rhythm I like tight strings.
Why not get a 7 string baritone? Anyways, wouldn't a 6 string in drop A for example require all the strings to be tuned down, whereas on a 7 string, only the B to A?
I love my new baritone. It plays drop A with the tension and brightness of drop D from a regular scale. If you haven’t mastered the fretboard of a 7 string, let alone 6, and you want low ass tunings….baritone baby
The difference is very small, but at least in my headphones, the 7 string sounded a little thicker to me, and the baritone had a little more brightness, probably due to the scale length. I think that the differences would become more apparent in Drop G or lower, in which case I'd say the baritone is better, but the difference here is pretty much negligible.
Baritone seems like more trouble than it's worth. It's just a 7 string but missing the highest string. Not sure if regular strings would even fit it. Plus it would be weird to have to reach further than you're used to to play the same frets.
Didn't hear much difference but my guess is that if you love playing leads you might want the higher notes for a wider tonality. On the other hand a baritone might be more beneficial for six string players that want to play anything that's lower than drop A
The baritone has a bit more high-mids/definition or you are just playing it slightly better. Nothing that would matter in a mix with that amount of gain (and layering).
Seems like people that don't play a lot of leads would go baritone. So the neck width would be familiar.
I have to be honest I didn't hear any difference. I had to choose between the two half a year ago and as much as I would have liked the longer scale length, I chose the 7 string because I can use the high strings for standard tuning and have one of my other guitars setup for D standard and drop C.
idk I always thought that 7 strings were ''made'' or intended for Standard tunings and Baritones are for those chuggy Drop tuning. Maybe it's because my favorite bands played 7 strings for the extended range idk lol
the 6 sounded a tiny bit clearer in the high end
The 7 sounds a bit muddier. Bit less string separation. That’s about the only thing. Only heard outside the mix, btw. In the mix, all differences disappear.
I tell my friends to grab a baritone if they want the familiarity of a 6 string, and a 7 if they want their weedily weedily high notes
i think the baritone sounds a bit more powerful probably due to string tension, 7s sounds a bit muddy
The only difference I really hear is the sympathetic vibration from the seventh string, The six string is more clarity simply because it doesn’t have that extra string
6 string basses are something I hate but I love high c so I have bass tuned eadgc , some my friend rather baritone cuz they don’t have need for more strings and already have muscle memory of how to play which thrown off , a lot my friends like 7 string baritone cuz fuck it low and shreds
Hear me out - Drop A wasn't low enough to warrant a baritone. Should have gone down to G, at which point the strings needed will make a 25.5" sound noticeably darker
Tinniest difference ... not enough for me to say it's enough to choose one over the other. I'd say the difference is comfort of playing.
I think it's really only noticable when you're the person playing at least thats my conclusion from doing the same experiment.