@@nikitalvov40 I see, your criticism is justified. But unfortunately I did not have records of names like Cortot, Moisewitsch, Richter or something else with old masters. So, I don't have many options. The reason is that Bortkiewicz is a forgotten composer. There are few people who perform piano pieces except him concertos. For example, op 15-8, a very important recording, may be the only Bortkiewicz piece played by a goat of pianiszm. Katsaris is fine too. But for other recordings, the criticism is quite reasonable.
The first to create actually "new" etudes after Chopin and Liszt was Debussy, and then Ligeti. It must've been so hard to compose etudes without copying the masters. Even Scriabin and Rachmaninoff couldn't help it.
I think you can add Bortkiewicz to that copying list. But if I may add, Scriabin was actually quite innovative with his last 3 etudes op 65. Although it does not make a set as much as Debussy, I think these are quite interesting and diffucult "new" etudes.
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 That is very true about Scriabin. Once he found his Theosophic crowd, he became obsessively preoccupied with his so-called "mystic chord", and with different rhythmic structures. Although I would say that both Beethoven and Schumann beat him, in terms of rhythmic innovations... or just plain old rhythmic notation (in the case of Schumann).
Les pièces "la philosophe" et "le poéte" sont absolument étonnants!👏La fugue dans le premier morceau est très sombre et sophistiqué, je l'aime.👍"Le poéte" est trés beau et lyrique, un peu impressionniste. Très bien
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971but the first case has perfect fourths. In a whole tone chord you can't have perfect fourths, but augmented(tritones). Even in the third bar you can see that the only missing note is F# to make Scriabin's mystic chord in it's main form. The second case it's a little bit more complex because the notes are organized differently. They are organized like the last bar of Scriabin's op.57 "Desir"
I find Bortkiewicz absolutely delightful. The one etude in c# minor was clearly written under the influence of Henselt (op. 2, no.1). This doesn’t surprise me - Rachmaninov is said to have played the Henselt etudes - again, no surprise as he was a pupil of Zverev - himself a pupil of Henselt. I have been working on some of his Preludes, op. 33 - I find his works tend to fit my hand well.
It kinda directly clashes with the way it’s notated. Time signature says 7/8, notes are still separated into a set of 4 and 3. All 8ths should be connected by one bar… You’re right, but the composer or whoever wrote the sheet music probably should’ve not made it like that
Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe it's intentional by them to have that end of measure "lilt," but if it's not, then idk how a pianist can take the immense amount of effort to learn a piece like it and not realize something so simple
Ah! Chopin returned from the grave to see what we listen to today. Welcome back: we love your music. I want to take opportunity to ask you if you really did compose the 3rd and 4th Piano Concertos that are kicking about online?
I don't think the first one is played very well. The whole point of the etude appears to be making those melody notes stand out in the triplets when they are the second note of the triplet, but here they are played with the same force as all the other notes of the triplet.
Somero plays the rhythm in Op. 15 no. 4 completely wrong. Instead of a duplet against straight quavers in the right hand he plays straight quavers in the left hand with a triplet against it, turning it into 3/4 instead of 7/8!
Under-rated composer, indeed. Some very good pieces of piano. Katsaris is excellent, Somero..is not bad...but I don't agree with M. Trapman playing... No respect of tempo nor musical nuances. He seem to be in a hurry... and having the last train of the day to catch ! Etude op 15 no 2 is quite a disaster/massacre for a piece noticed as "lugubre". Nevertheless, thanks for this complilation.
First of all thank you for your comment. I totally agree with your "Bortkiewicz is underrated" comment. Because of that, Very few pianists perform Bortkiewicz. So I didn't have many options. Rosenthal performing 15-8 is therefore valuable Unfortunately Katsaris did not record all studies, only 29 -1, 29-2, 29-3, 29-5, 29-6, 15-1, 15-6, 15-7, 15-8, 15-9, 15-10 and op 65 no 2 recorded. I could choose Katsaris from all of these here, but I can say that my taste is a bit mixed here. For example, in 29-5 La poete, I choose somero because I like bit slower. For the same reason, so are 29-1 and 29-2, these Katsaris were playing pretty fast. 15-9 was one of the records where I was most undecided, frankly, I took advice here. In 15-10, however, Somero's forte sounded more appropriate to the this piece. The reason for the selection of the Trapman's recordings was a little bit of tempo, especially other etudes outside of op 29 and op 15. The record of 15-2 was only present in somero and trapman, Somero generally keeps the tempo slow, here I liked Trapman's tempo somewhat more. But after I posted this video, I regretted it. I thought that I made the wrong choice in terms of speed, your criticisms are also appropriate in this regard. Somero was the more preferable option. But after publishing, I didn't have time to re-edit it because I deleted all the videos that were made. Same regret happened a bit in Op 65 no 2, Katsaris was a better option for that. As for the other recordings, apart from 65-2, "other etudes" were also present in somero and trapman. I had planned to put in Koji's recordings, but clearing the encore audio was not easy. Somero's playing is not bad as you said, but sometimes it plays more slower than it is and there were points where both played incorrectly, for example, in op 10 no 3, I didn't want to choose Trapman this time because Somero made the fewest mistakes of the them but In others, again, my preferences were in this direction due to the tendency of the Klaas's tempo issue to my ears. Sometimes it was difficult to choose between two different recordings, and The video's catching up, the selected selections were a bit rushed. Anyway Thanks again for liking. Cheers!
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 You are right. Building a compilation is difficult, particularly when very few pianists have registred Bortkiewicz' Piano Work. Most of all, there is no objectivity when speaking about music recording and players.
I can assure you that Trapman was not in a hurry to catch a train. Instead, he had eaten something really bad before the concert and was feeling the ever mounting looming inevitable event of shitting in his pants right in the middle of performance. The good news is that he actually made it to the toilet, with only minor stains in his underwear. The audience didn't notice.
Nothing is boring about these pieces. There is a lot of variety of material and contrasts here that is very interesting and not boring at all. It has definitely kept my attention.
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Someday these masterpieces will be standard repertoire.
In Portugal they already exist in some conservatoires!
I love everything Mr. Bortkiewicz composed. Time to wake up all concert halls and pianists to this great composer. 🌷🌷🌷(Netherlands)
Yes.....and particularly Étude Op 15, No. 4, with its delicious Chopin echoes......Vat Prachtig.....from Acapulco! 📯
Underrated composer
Fantastic stuff. Never heard anything by this composer before - what an introduction!
Thanks very very much 🙏🙏🙏
Wow, Chopin's actually got a TH-cam channel! What time we live in!
What can I say? I decided to get up from my grave, listen new era and make this damn videos :P
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 Please compose again
No entiendo 🇮🇷🖐️
😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝
Bravo for your recollection work of this forgotten composer. 🙂
He's not entirely forgotten -- WMNR in CT plays his wonderful concertos!
You deserve Nobel prize for this uploading! Thank you so much.
Un grand merci pour cette somme qui me fait connaître un maître du piano que j'ignorais
Etude op 15 no 4 is written in 7/8 but seems to be played in 3/4 where the third beat is like a triplet. Interesting.
Most of the interpretations in this video are pretty lackluster.
Kind of dissapointing...
Well, it's not meant to be played like that...
@@nikitalvov40 I see, your criticism is justified. But unfortunately I did not have records of names like Cortot, Moisewitsch, Richter or something else with old masters. So, I don't have many options. The reason is that Bortkiewicz is a forgotten composer. There are few people who perform piano pieces except him concertos. For example, op 15-8, a very important recording, may be the only Bortkiewicz piece played by a goat of pianiszm. Katsaris is fine too. But for other recordings, the criticism is quite reasonable.
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 Why would you need? just play the ink...
@@nikitalvov40How about you play it then ?
The first to create actually "new" etudes after Chopin and Liszt was Debussy, and then Ligeti. It must've been so hard to compose etudes without copying the masters. Even Scriabin and Rachmaninoff couldn't help it.
I think you can add Bortkiewicz to that copying list. But if I may add, Scriabin was actually quite innovative with his last 3 etudes op 65. Although it does not make a set as much as Debussy, I think these are quite interesting and diffucult "new" etudes.
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 That is very true about Scriabin. Once he found his Theosophic crowd, he became obsessively preoccupied with his so-called "mystic chord", and with different rhythmic structures. Although I would say that both Beethoven and Schumann beat him, in terms of rhythmic innovations... or just plain old rhythmic notation (in the case of Schumann).
Alkan's etudes are quite original.
@@calebhu6383 They are very special indeed. And hard af
@@calebhu6383 Syzmanowski too
Finally a video played as an “up next” and it was this channel
Les pièces "la philosophe" et "le poéte" sont absolument étonnants!👏La fugue dans le premier morceau est très sombre et sophistiqué, je l'aime.👍"Le poéte" est trés beau et lyrique, un peu impressionniste. Très bien
Content que tu aies aimé! Mes favoris incluent également "philosophe" et "poème"
21:03 55:04 Mystic chords!❤❤❤
More like whole tone chords but yeah imperessionistic
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971but the first case has perfect fourths. In a whole tone chord you can't have perfect fourths, but augmented(tritones). Even in the third bar you can see that the only missing note is F# to make Scriabin's mystic chord in it's main form. The second case it's a little bit more complex because the notes are organized differently. They are organized like the last bar of Scriabin's op.57 "Desir"
@@fredericscriabinoff7612 Oh, I see now, Yeah Desir very similar. My bad!
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971Dw😊. And thank you so much for sharing this music with us❤❤❤
how did I come to this so late, I've been practicing his etudes and preludes but didn't know this exited. this is a great collection.
Op.29 no.4 The philosopher reminds me so much of the act 3 prelude from Wagner's Mastersigners !
Very Very Good 👍👍👍👍
Шедевр! Спасибо за гениальное исполнение! 🎼💐🌹🌺❤️
Thanks so much for uploading this today I met a new music that makes my life more beautiful
Many thanks for putting this video together! 🎶
Lol, the exposition of the etude at 1:13:53 sounds like Debussy Arabesque 1 on steroids
Já, und ikzáklu❤
Only a few of these pieces are worthy of listening.
Which ones for example?
I find Bortkiewicz absolutely delightful. The one etude in c# minor was clearly written under the influence of Henselt (op. 2, no.1). This doesn’t surprise me - Rachmaninov is said to have played the Henselt etudes - again, no surprise as he was a pupil of Zverev - himself a pupil of Henselt. I have been working on some of his Preludes, op. 33 - I find his works tend to fit my hand well.
Thank you for your time and hard work in making this interesting video. K.
Прекрасная подборка!!!
Thanks a lot. Very interesting works! 💚💜🩵💙💚
op15 no4 sounds like Chopin's nouvelle etude no3
Great set of etudes! thanks for the share :)
Yeah I heard that "Waterfall" quote in No. 5
1:13:53 It's so brillante!!
arabesque
Magnificent!
Thanks!
Op. 15 No. 4 is just the wrong rhythm. The pianist is playing it in 3/4 instead of 7/8.
It kinda directly clashes with the way it’s notated. Time signature says 7/8, notes are still separated into a set of 4 and 3. All 8ths should be connected by one bar… You’re right, but the composer or whoever wrote the sheet music probably should’ve not made it like that
@@pineapple7024 there is nothibg with the notation. its 4/8+3/8
4+3 graphic grouping is fine, but the execution is wrong, I agree with jeremy
Honestly, it becomes very dull in 7/8.
Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe it's intentional by them to have that end of measure "lilt," but if it's not, then idk how a pianist can take the immense amount of effort to learn a piece like it and not realize something so simple
Ah! Chopin returned from the grave to see what we listen to today. Welcome back: we love your music. I want to take opportunity to ask you if you really did compose the 3rd and 4th Piano Concertos that are kicking about online?
Unfortunately, having come to life in the social media world but I cannot compose without my real hands and arms. These are dead...
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 -- O My.....Deep and dark musings......BRAVO from Acapulco!
Grande🎹❤️
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Serhiy Bortkevych is a Ukrainian composer from Karkhiv! Glory to Ukraine!!!
Very entertaining video! Funny pieces
29:30 woooooowwwwww
3:27 sonata no.2
Yeah
I don't think the first one is played very well. The whole point of the etude appears to be making those melody notes stand out in the triplets when they are the second note of the triplet, but here they are played with the same force as all the other notes of the triplet.
I agree, it's not very subtil, the result is quite messy.
Op. 29 no. 4 reminds me of the C-sharp minor fugue from WTC I...
op.15 no.4 Mera je 7/8 a ne 3/4 kako se čuje na snimku
😃😃😃😃😃
3:27
1:04:06 inspiration from Chopin's "Winter Wind" op. 25 n. 11?
It can be :) also 1:03:23-1:03:40 sound like ocean etude
1:18:47 Chopin opus 10 no.10
Yes, seems an inspiration
21:01
Is the Rosenthal recording an actual recording, or a piano roll?
Actual recording, I guess
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 Ok
No 2 kinda sound like La valse by Ravel in a way
Datos de este compositor. ? Me gusta ,no lo conozco. 🇮🇷🖐️🇮🇷
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Bortkiewicz
Somero plays the rhythm in Op. 15 no. 4 completely wrong. Instead of a duplet against straight quavers in the right hand he plays straight quavers in the left hand with a triplet against it, turning it into 3/4 instead of 7/8!
Nearly everyone realizes that haha
1:02:52
53:26
Under-rated composer, indeed.
Some very good pieces of piano. Katsaris is excellent, Somero..is not bad...but I don't agree with M. Trapman playing... No respect of tempo nor musical nuances. He seem to be in a hurry... and having the last train of the day to catch !
Etude op 15 no 2 is quite a disaster/massacre for a piece noticed as "lugubre".
Nevertheless, thanks for this complilation.
First of all thank you for your comment.
I totally agree with your "Bortkiewicz is underrated" comment. Because of that, Very few pianists perform Bortkiewicz. So I didn't have many options. Rosenthal performing 15-8 is therefore valuable
Unfortunately Katsaris did not record all studies, only 29 -1, 29-2, 29-3, 29-5, 29-6, 15-1, 15-6, 15-7, 15-8, 15-9, 15-10 and op 65 no 2 recorded. I could choose Katsaris from all of these here, but I can say that my taste is a bit mixed here. For example, in 29-5 La poete, I choose somero because I like bit slower. For the same reason, so are 29-1 and 29-2, these Katsaris were playing pretty fast. 15-9 was one of the records where I was most undecided, frankly, I took advice here. In 15-10, however, Somero's forte sounded more appropriate to the this piece.
The reason for the selection of the Trapman's recordings was a little bit of tempo, especially other etudes outside of op 29 and op 15. The record of 15-2 was only present in somero and trapman, Somero generally keeps the tempo slow, here I liked Trapman's tempo somewhat more. But after I posted this video, I regretted it. I thought that I made the wrong choice in terms of speed, your criticisms are also appropriate in this regard. Somero was the more preferable option. But after publishing, I didn't have time to re-edit it because I deleted all the videos that were made. Same regret happened a bit in Op 65 no 2, Katsaris was a better option for that.
As for the other recordings, apart from 65-2, "other etudes" were also present in somero and trapman. I had planned to put in Koji's recordings, but clearing the encore audio was not easy. Somero's playing is not bad as you said, but sometimes it plays more slower than it is and there were points where both played incorrectly, for example, in op 10 no 3, I didn't want to choose Trapman this time because Somero made the fewest mistakes of the them but In others, again, my preferences were in this direction due to the tendency of the Klaas's tempo issue to my ears. Sometimes it was difficult to choose between two different recordings, and The video's catching up, the selected selections were a bit rushed. Anyway Thanks again for liking. Cheers!
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971 You are right. Building a compilation is difficult, particularly when very few pianists have registred Bortkiewicz' Piano Work.
Most of all, there is no objectivity when speaking about music recording and players.
I can assure you that Trapman was not in a hurry to catch a train. Instead, he had eaten something really bad before the concert and was feeling the ever mounting looming inevitable event of shitting in his pants right in the middle of performance. The good news is that he actually made it to the toilet, with only minor stains in his underwear. The audience didn't notice.
He will stay forgotten
I dont think so. He is surprisingly more familiar to viewers than some other composers. At least i will continue uploading bortkiewicz :))
@@fredericfrancoischopin6971No objection. To me it sounds like a strange hodgepodge of influences but better to enjoy than Reger.
Dude that reger roasting was crazy
Your roasting gave me idea for uploading reger early
Cynic
n.7 sounds like scriabin
I think 15-8 or 29-5 very Scriabinesqué
hamlet sounds so much like liszt stabat matar
His playing is quite sloppy.
Bad
get well soon!
Ok
Boring, but ok.
Nothing is boring about these pieces. There is a lot of variety of material and contrasts here that is very interesting and not boring at all. It has definitely kept my attention.