SRA's the controller would have a dedicated frequency and would concentrate only on that one inbound a/c they would not be expected to control other a/c as well.......so contact would be initially with APP CTR then over to RADAR CTR (years ago it was called "Talk Down" procedure.......in the late 1960's and early 70'6 that was common at LUT in bad wx......the days of Court Line, Monarch, Dan-Air, Britannia, Aer Turas Ireland, Germanair ....memories. Thanks for the upload good practice and good flying.
I remember the days when SRA was commonplace . I used to listen on my trusty airband receiver to Birmingham Approach giving SRA instructions many years ago before the ILS was operational . I have to admit , I didn’t realise SRA was still available . I’m now living in Sydney where a similar system known as PRM approaches are carried out . I love your videos and the information and knowledge i gain is invaluable . Cheers John , stay safe and healthy , we are entering unknown territory .
An SRA was always something I wanted to do when I was flying but never did so well done, you flew that approach on rails mate - awesome stuff looking forward the next week's episode.
Great upload again.... Really like it when you also show us the chart position (e.g. at 12:15) really help "get the picture" for the viewer. Brilliant stuff. Thanks.
Non compass non gyro approaches are done on a discrete frequency, I'll never forget my first one as a trainee ATCO ("aha....this'll be spectator sport" from some of the old hands) not easy to learn. Regular SRAs can be carried out on the main radar frequency (subject to traffic/workload and controller). Thank you for uploading this from the pilot perspective, very interesting to see and as mentioned previously, edited very nicely :) A big thumbs up :)
Great Video Jon, looks like you have really mastered the instrument stuff & ZR as well I particularly like the camera setup focussed real time on the instruments. I remember doing a couple of those approaches into RAF Benson when training with the lucky chance to have a NATS controller as my instructor in the right seat.Made for an excellent overview of how both sides think and work. We also got the chance to do the more precision PRA into Benson for controller training. Popping off the foggles at 1/4 mile bang on course and seeing the lights dead ahead was impressive to say the least. Stay safe in all this madness right now Jon and look forward to upcoming videos.
I used to do my SRA’s into Stanstead back in the 70’s. Not a big international hub in those days. ILS’s were done at Luton £10 for three approaches, lot of money in those days. Great video & fond memories Jon. 👍
I'm watching as an American pilot currently training for my instrument rating, question for you did you say you had to pay ATC for the service of instrument approaches?
@@DocbritoFMF Yes, at Luton, London Luton today EGGW. You were allowed three ILS approaches then you were expected to land & pay. In those days there was a flying club there & several grass runways as well as the main runway. Today the club & the grass are no more.
@@michaelsummers9579 that's interesting, do you pay for certain ATC services in the UK no matter what airport, or is it only certain airports with certain ATCs. I ask cause in the USA we don't pay for ATC service at all so this is a new concept
Great work, this was very informative to watch. Never saw or flew SRA approaches before. It seems to be quite different from the (more common) PAR approach, where the controller keeps non-stop talking up to the touchdown point. Looking forward to the next part.
Bet the No Compass No giro was even more fun. Could you do a video transitting the Stansted overhead and entering the CTA via the Epping VRP. Would love to see a transit with essex radar.
I was still gaining confidence in the Arrow, and didn't feel comfortable doing this in IMC, or even simulated IMC, but you'll see that I'm focussing on instruments, rather than visual cues, so not a completely wasted opportunity,
hi .. i am french , and i enjoy to see your videos , because , i learn english with you and flying ...like you i fly with a pa 28 ....Can you please show me how you put your tablette on the steering wheel ...best regards ...thanks
Are you guys still allowed to fly 🛩 recreationally where you are during this current 🌏 global situation? We are for the time being - apparently to stay current and maintain our skills 🇦🇺🎥🎞
I just love your editing style, still trying to perfect my own. Nice live video the other day Jon!
Great to see that control also get practice time in with GA pilots who are also practicing.
Loved this video. Brought back all the stresses of when I did my Instrument Rating.
It's a fun approach to do.
SRA's the controller would have a dedicated frequency and would concentrate only on that one inbound a/c they would not be expected to control other a/c as well.......so contact would be initially with APP CTR then over to RADAR CTR (years ago it was called "Talk Down" procedure.......in the late 1960's and early 70'6 that was common at LUT in bad wx......the days of Court Line, Monarch, Dan-Air, Britannia, Aer Turas Ireland, Germanair ....memories. Thanks for the upload good practice and good flying.
I remember the days when SRA was commonplace . I used to listen on my trusty airband receiver to Birmingham Approach giving SRA instructions many years ago before the ILS was operational . I have to admit , I didn’t realise SRA was still available . I’m now living in Sydney where a similar system known as PRM approaches are carried out . I love your videos and the information and knowledge i gain is invaluable . Cheers John , stay safe and healthy , we are entering unknown territory .
Thanks David.
An SRA was always something I wanted to do when I was flying but never did so well done, you flew that approach on rails mate - awesome stuff looking forward the next week's episode.
30 knot headwind helped!
Very interesting Jon and really enjoyed that one. The cockpit shots were excellent and I felt as though I was actually doing it with you.
Stay safe
Thanks for watching. Keep safe.
Great upload again.... Really like it when you also show us the chart position (e.g. at 12:15) really help "get the picture" for the viewer. Brilliant stuff. Thanks.
Thanks Graeme.
Non compass non gyro approaches are done on a discrete frequency, I'll never forget my first one as a trainee ATCO ("aha....this'll be spectator sport" from some of the old hands) not easy to learn. Regular SRAs can be carried out on the main radar frequency (subject to traffic/workload and controller).
Thank you for uploading this from the pilot perspective, very interesting to see and as mentioned previously, edited very nicely :)
A big thumbs up :)
Great Video Jon, looks like you have really mastered the instrument stuff & ZR as well
I particularly like the camera setup focussed real time on the instruments.
I remember doing a couple of those approaches into RAF Benson when training with the lucky chance to have a NATS controller as my instructor in the right seat.Made for an excellent overview of how both sides think and work.
We also got the chance to do the more precision PRA into Benson for controller training.
Popping off the foggles at 1/4 mile bang on course and seeing the lights dead ahead was impressive to say the least.
Stay safe in all this madness right now Jon and look forward to upcoming videos.
Thanks Sean. And you stay safe too.
I used to do my SRA’s into Stanstead back in the 70’s. Not a big international hub in those days. ILS’s were done at Luton £10 for three approaches, lot of money in those days. Great video & fond memories Jon. 👍
Thanks for watching Michael.
I'm watching as an American pilot currently training for my instrument rating, question for you did you say you had to pay ATC for the service of instrument approaches?
@@DocbritoFMF Yes, at Luton, London Luton today EGGW. You were allowed three ILS approaches then you were expected to land & pay. In those days there was a flying club there & several grass runways as well as the main runway. Today the club & the grass are no more.
@@michaelsummers9579 that's interesting, do you pay for certain ATC services in the UK no matter what airport, or is it only certain airports with certain ATCs. I ask cause in the USA we don't pay for ATC service at all so this is a new concept
@@DocbritoFMF Airport charges, like landing & parking.
Interesting and informative video Jon. Great that you and Henry were both in the learning zone!
Henry is the pro! Thanks Tim. Hope you're keeping well.
Great work, this was very informative to watch. Never saw or flew SRA approaches before. It seems to be quite different from the (more common) PAR approach, where the controller keeps non-stop talking up to the touchdown point. Looking forward to the next part.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Great video Jon, seems there's so much to think about when instrument flying, well handled.
Thank you Joe. Yes, it can be a bit much at times.
Good video, good to have two people learning at once. Well done, enjoyed it.
Henry is the Pro Paul. I'm the amateur! Thanks for watching.
Nice video, Jon! Very informative and entertaining! 👌🏻
Thanks pal.
Great video Jon. It’s a really high level of piloting and radio work going on there from everyone. Thanks for posting!
Thanks Ben. It was good fun - you should try it!
Bet the No Compass No giro was even more fun. Could you do a video transitting the Stansted overhead and entering the CTA via the Epping VRP. Would love to see a transit with essex radar.
Great to see two aspects of aviation helping each other very enjoyable video Jon ✈️
That's a good way to look at it Stewart. Hope you're keeping well.
Thanks for the video, not something a lot of GA pilot do often.
Thanks for watching.
Yet again a fantastic video!
Thanks Mike.
Another very interesting video Jon so thanks. I like SRAs as you just have to follow instructions! Wondering why you didn't stick the hood on?
I was still gaining confidence in the Arrow, and didn't feel comfortable doing this in IMC, or even simulated IMC, but you'll see that I'm focussing on instruments, rather than visual cues, so not a completely wasted opportunity,
Interesting. It is the same as non gyro approach
Stay safe mate.
hi .. i am french , and i enjoy to see your videos , because , i learn english with you and flying ...like you i fly with a pa 28 ....Can you please show me how you put your tablette on the steering wheel ...best regards ...thanks
Hi Joel. I use a Ram yoke mount - most aviation stores sell them.
Did James mention to you that when he flies over me in Stanford, he does a orbit for me? I have a proper dedicated aircraft finding lens now.
he's told me he has done this. We were under radar control, so had to go where we were told on this flight!
Interesting approach. Sort of PAR-meets-localizer.
How do you like the Arrow? I learned to fly in Cherokees and flew an Arrow once. Nice plane.
Enjoying the arrow, but don't feel comfortable in it yet!
Are you guys still allowed to fly 🛩 recreationally where you are during this current 🌏 global situation? We are for the time being - apparently to stay current and maintain our skills 🇦🇺🎥🎞
Nope. It's all locked down...no non essential travel.
Slight mistake at 05:35 - controller didn't abbreviate call sign ;-) Other than that a great flight!
Nigel in actual fact the full callsign shall be used when issuing a controlled airspace clearance, and you should read back with full callsign 👍
I think that was probably Nigel’s point. My bad!