I am not a scholar or an intellectual. I am an average woman born in 1965 in Canada. I know nothing of suffering really other than the self-inflicted kind. This is what scares me most about the Holocaust. It does not appear to me to be a single unrepeated blemish in history that makes us shudder with fear. I grew up watching what happened under The Khmer Rouge. His regime exterminated 50 million Vietnamese with the help of the Cambodian people." Remember Stalin from that one 45 minute history class? What about Rwanda? The Kosovo refugees killed by Serbian Police. I often think, what if I was a teenager in Nazi Germany, a member of the Serbian Police with a wife and child at home, a woman and mother who had a Tootsie family in Rowanda? Would I have killed believing I was doing was necessary? Would I have been complicit? Would I have participated in the banality of evil, of the genocide of a whole race and culture of people different than mine? We fool ourselves if we think we would have done anything differently than anyone else in history. We shake our heads and turn away and say, oh no, not me. Well, I am here to say, yes, more than likely me. With the exception of a few brave souls who would not sit idly by, we would follow like sheep. At some point, we were ignorant, we didn't know better does not cut the mustard. When I read Hannah Arendts writings I felt a chill go up to my spine. I had an uncomfortable and sickly feeling that we have not learned our lesson. If you take out the names of the persecutors and torturers and brutal killers and the Countries they live in, you would swear on a stack of Bibles she was writing about today. The fake and manipulated news, the confusion, the propaganda, and rhetoric, the division of countries, the rise of nationalism, all being lead by an unpopular but charismatic leader most experts say is most likely if not a sociopath, a self-consumed narcissist.
In 1978 Vietnam had a population of roughly 52 mil. There's no way in hell that Pol Pot could have murdered virtually the entire population of Vietnam. More accurate estimates are around 1.5 -2 mil people that died under the Pol Pot regime; and the huge, vast majority of those killed were Cambodians - not Vietnamese.
Candace Jones Unfortunately almost anything is repeatable historically, and probably will be if not to be educated from it!! This is why modern education has modified history to match there narrative, so they are able to manipulate outcomes. ‘Public’ education is mind manipulation and abuse. It is the power that controls the minds of the youth, and forms the political landscape.
Pol Pot was a Chinese puppet: while China was pursuing a course of reforms and moving away from Maoism, in Cambodia the Chinese decided to arrange a Maoist hell. Fortunately, half a sweat was knocked out by the Vietnamese troops with the support of the USSR ...
Arendt is a difficult thinker. It takes, time, effort and patience to gain a purchase on her thought process. That said, learning to think her thoughts, to gaze upon her intention is goal rather than to do battle with this or that conclusion of hers. For me, I ask how was the Holocaust possible. How did so many ordinary people wind up supporting this horrifying genocide? It’s simply not possible that all accomplices were “evil” yet they partook in the Final Solution. The social psychology of how NAZIs rose to power, took control of governing authorities and implemented their xenophobic policies demands our analysis, penetration of how this could and can be so. It’s too easy to blame evil people and punish them and be done with it all. We must learn how to prevent and address outbreaks of xenophobia (all form of othering) in developed nations. It is about us, not “them.” It’s about “ordinary” people vs exceptional “evil” people. I take this lesson from Arendt (among many others).
'We must learn how to prevent and address outbreaks of xenophobia (all form of othering) in developed nations. ' How to do that without othering and actually committing evil against xenophobes? Clue - it can't be done. To attempt to do so creates extremists, or creates justification for their victimization by others (and those others are becoming what they hate - bigots, but they are blind to their own bigotry). I see this playing out right now - today.
I think if anyone is going to understand The Origins of Totalitarianism they have to read On Revolution and The Human Condition as well. I find that many people who have only read Origins come away with a misinterpretation of her term "atomization". They seem to think she meant that the Nazi's isolated individuals in order to radicalize them. For example, Robert Paxton in The Anatomy of Fascism refutes Arendt's reference to atomization by pointing out that many Germans were involved in clubs well before the Nazi's rose to prominence, and that Nazism grew out of those clubs, therefore how could those individuals be considered atomized? He believed it was the opposite. That their formation into groups is what led to their radicalization. Based on my understanding of On Revolution and The Human Condition, I believe that what Arendt meant by atomization was the removal of individuals from the collective society. Put another way, people lost their public voice and therefore became lone individuals incapable of changing their society. This loss of a public voice is most evident in a democracy when the politicians no longer represent the will of the people. Your vote no longer has meaning because the politician is not going to follow through on their promises anyway. Think Obama and his message of "change". That is what drives the political rage. This loss of a public voice pushes people to form mass societal groups which give them a form of public voice through solidarity. Individual automy is sacrificed to ensure that solidarity. That is how the German clubs gained their political strength and formed the Nazi movement. Given this interpretation of her work, it is easier to understand the links between fascism and communism. Neither of these ideologies grow to take over the political system through democratic means. They grow as a result of the political isolation of the masses, then when the society collapses, whether due to political or financial instability, the movement seizes power under the premise of using their strength to rebuild the system in their group's interest. Whether you get fascism or communism or some other form of "ism" depends on the particular biases and affiliations present in the society at the time. Germany had more middle class individuals, so they gravitated towards fascism. Russia had more lower class peasants, so they formed into socialist groups. Either way, the collapse came independent of the ideology, but the ideology needed the collapse to take control. At least that is how I interpreted her work, and that interpretation fits pretty well with Paxton's argument as well.
She tries to describe Mr. Eichmann with a detached view and in this way one can almost view him as a *sad misunderstood hero* . She succeeds in approaching him with an impressively unjaundiced eye. This Story shows how a Machiavellian approach to "Good intentions" is always fraught with HORROR and DEATH. "At *any* price" means MORE than one might think...and *what goes on in the office* while we shuffle our papers is often quite calm, clean, kind and "nice" *on the surface* - but what is going on in "Real Life" as a result of that ministration is *too often* meted out in a FINAL reckoning on a Grand scale...
Are you the Charles Patterson that wrote "Eternal Treblinka"? If you are, I recently read your book. Isaac Singer (and Peter Singer) moved me. Much props to you for writing on a difficult subject matter. Personally, I think the "road to peace" travels through the your book, Peter Singer and Isaac Singer. That is, we humans (i.e., naked apes) need to move away from EGO and toward ECO and the realization that "might is right" is wrong---That one subset of humans can not look upon another subset of humans as "animals". This should be taught in school as early as elementary school. Again, I enjoyed your book.
@@michaelfelli7661 , I wish I could claim such an honor but sadly I am just a regular guy like you who likes to read Books and apply some of what I've learned into 'real Life...'
There is no substitute for reading the book. Knowing that, some are limited to an aural presentation. If you know of a link to a recorded version of that Book, please link here:
Christopher Lydons sweeping generalities debase the substance of this programme. The interviewees interpretation of Arendt's ( correct the spelling please) work should be edited removing Lydon's unnecessary interruptions.
@@MrAmitArun - 💃🏻 “We get ourselves into bigger dramas because we don't stop the smaller destructive acts. . . We only pay attention when evil looms so large that we can't ignore it. But the real evil is allowing all the small moments that allow evil to loom at all. That's the banality of evil.” - 🏆 Alison *FTW* 🕶️ 🥠 👍🏻
This host is so rude and he keeps interrupting his guest. Elizabeth gives long and well thought answer but never could finish them. It's a pity. NPR should have a talk with this host and let him know what respect is.
Any subject broadcast by npr is suspect of omitting reflection and comparison to our own fascist neoliberal nation. I'll be finding Arendt's perspective on another channel.
Well, soviet have invasion on the official terretory of Poland. But... Poland itself seized this territory from Russia in 1920-1921. and killed up to 100 thousand captured Soviet soldiers later. these ... Poles still do not admit it, they lie that they simply died on the territory of the Polish concentration camp. and if these ... stutter about the Molotov Pact of 1939, then let them not forget how, together with Hitler, in alliance with him, Poland, which Churchill called the "hyena of Europe, divided the land of Czechoslovakia
She was BRILLIANT!!!! Underestimated. Highly. Compulsory reading for all humanities students. And others. Some woman!
I am not a scholar or an intellectual. I am an average woman born in 1965 in Canada. I know nothing of suffering really other than the self-inflicted kind. This is what scares me most about the Holocaust. It does not appear to me to be a single unrepeated blemish in history that makes us shudder with fear. I grew up watching what happened under The Khmer Rouge. His regime exterminated 50 million Vietnamese with the help of the Cambodian people." Remember Stalin from that one 45 minute history class? What about Rwanda? The Kosovo refugees killed by Serbian Police. I often think, what if I was a teenager in Nazi Germany, a member of the Serbian Police with a wife and child at home, a woman and mother who had a Tootsie family in Rowanda? Would I have killed believing I was doing was necessary? Would I have been complicit? Would I have participated in the banality of evil, of the genocide of a whole race and culture of people different than mine? We fool ourselves if we think we would have done anything differently than anyone else in history. We shake our heads and turn away and say, oh no, not me. Well, I am here to say, yes, more than likely me. With the exception of a few brave souls who would not sit idly by, we would follow like sheep. At some point, we were ignorant, we didn't know better does not cut the mustard. When I read Hannah Arendts writings I felt a chill go up to my spine. I had an uncomfortable and sickly feeling that we have not learned our lesson. If you take out the names of the persecutors and torturers and brutal killers and the Countries they live in, you would swear on a stack of Bibles she was writing about today. The fake and manipulated news, the confusion, the propaganda, and rhetoric, the division of countries, the rise of nationalism, all being lead by an unpopular but charismatic leader most experts say is most likely if not a sociopath, a self-consumed narcissist.
In 1978 Vietnam had a population of roughly 52 mil. There's no way in hell that Pol Pot could have murdered virtually the entire population of Vietnam. More accurate estimates are around 1.5 -2 mil people that died under the Pol Pot regime; and the huge, vast majority of those killed were Cambodians - not Vietnamese.
Canada... It was code for all the best stolen food and clothing in the camps.
Candace Jones
Unfortunately almost anything is repeatable historically, and probably will be if not to be educated from it!!
This is why modern education has modified history to match there narrative, so they are able to manipulate outcomes.
‘Public’ education is mind manipulation and abuse. It is the power that controls the minds of the youth, and forms the political landscape.
You forgot to say about about the genocide of Serbs in Kosovo, but such a deceitful position is the norm for the West
Pol Pot was a Chinese puppet: while China was pursuing a course of reforms and moving away from Maoism, in Cambodia the Chinese decided to arrange a Maoist hell. Fortunately, half a sweat was knocked out by the Vietnamese troops with the support of the USSR ...
Arendt is a difficult thinker. It takes, time, effort and patience to gain a purchase on her thought process. That said, learning to think her thoughts, to gaze upon her intention is goal rather than to do battle with this or that conclusion of hers. For me, I ask how was the Holocaust possible. How did so many ordinary people wind up supporting this horrifying genocide? It’s simply not possible that all accomplices were “evil” yet they partook in the Final Solution. The social psychology of how NAZIs rose to power, took control of governing authorities and implemented their xenophobic policies demands our analysis, penetration of how this could and can be so. It’s too easy to blame evil people and punish them and be done with it all. We must learn how to prevent and address outbreaks of xenophobia (all form of othering) in developed nations. It is about us, not “them.” It’s about “ordinary” people vs exceptional “evil” people. I take this lesson from Arendt (among many others).
'We must learn how to prevent and address outbreaks of xenophobia (all form of othering) in developed nations. '
How to do that without othering and actually committing evil against xenophobes? Clue - it can't be done. To attempt to do so creates extremists, or creates justification for their victimization by others (and those others are becoming what they hate - bigots, but they are blind to their own bigotry). I see this playing out right now - today.
It is the right mean
Do you a philosophy's researcher?
What name have woman from video and how named her book?
I think if anyone is going to understand The Origins of Totalitarianism they have to read On Revolution and The Human Condition as well. I find that many people who have only read Origins come away with a misinterpretation of her term "atomization". They seem to think she meant that the Nazi's isolated individuals in order to radicalize them. For example, Robert Paxton in The Anatomy of Fascism refutes Arendt's reference to atomization by pointing out that many Germans were involved in clubs well before the Nazi's rose to prominence, and that Nazism grew out of those clubs, therefore how could those individuals be considered atomized? He believed it was the opposite. That their formation into groups is what led to their radicalization.
Based on my understanding of On Revolution and The Human Condition, I believe that what Arendt meant by atomization was the removal of individuals from the collective society. Put another way, people lost their public voice and therefore became lone individuals incapable of changing their society. This loss of a public voice is most evident in a democracy when the politicians no longer represent the will of the people. Your vote no longer has meaning because the politician is not going to follow through on their promises anyway. Think Obama and his message of "change". That is what drives the political rage. This loss of a public voice pushes people to form mass societal groups which give them a form of public voice through solidarity. Individual automy is sacrificed to ensure that solidarity. That is how the German clubs gained their political strength and formed the Nazi movement.
Given this interpretation of her work, it is easier to understand the links between fascism and communism. Neither of these ideologies grow to take over the political system through democratic means. They grow as a result of the political isolation of the masses, then when the society collapses, whether due to political or financial instability, the movement seizes power under the premise of using their strength to rebuild the system in their group's interest. Whether you get fascism or communism or some other form of "ism" depends on the particular biases and affiliations present in the society at the time. Germany had more middle class individuals, so they gravitated towards fascism. Russia had more lower class peasants, so they formed into socialist groups. Either way, the collapse came independent of the ideology, but the ideology needed the collapse to take control.
At least that is how I interpreted her work, and that interpretation fits pretty well with Paxton's argument as well.
Thank you!
very glad you posted this.
She tries to describe Mr. Eichmann with a detached view and in this way one can almost view him as a *sad misunderstood hero* . She succeeds in approaching him with an impressively unjaundiced eye.
This Story shows how a Machiavellian approach to "Good intentions" is always fraught with HORROR and DEATH.
"At *any* price" means MORE than one might think...and *what goes on in the office* while we shuffle our papers is often quite calm, clean, kind and "nice" *on the surface* - but what is going on in "Real Life" as a result of that ministration is *too often* meted out in a FINAL reckoning on a Grand scale...
Are you the Charles Patterson that wrote "Eternal Treblinka"? If you are, I recently read your book. Isaac Singer (and Peter Singer) moved me. Much props to you for writing on a difficult subject matter.
Personally, I think the "road to peace" travels through the your book, Peter Singer and Isaac Singer. That is, we humans (i.e., naked apes) need to move away from EGO and toward ECO and the realization that "might is right" is wrong---That one subset of humans can not look upon another subset of humans as "animals". This should be taught in school as early as elementary school.
Again, I enjoyed your book.
Did you hear about Vasilyi Grossman's book named 'The lell of treblinka' (1944)?
@@МихаилПоздняков-е3б Not yet. Thanks for the tip!
@@michaelfelli7661 , I wish I could claim such an honor but sadly I am just a regular guy like you who likes to read Books and apply some of what I've learned into 'real Life...'
Do you researcher Arendt's conception banality of evil?
You mistaked her lastname on the picture.
@TheMoon how true!
"Can you guess who was Feeding Heidegger's Cat...?"
There is no substitute for reading the book. Knowing that, some are limited to an aural presentation. If you know of a link to a recorded version of that Book, please link here:
Did you find this book ?
If you said about 'Banality of evil', it is searched in the google
It is the right thought, but a good video by a philosophy's researcher is good too
What name have woman's book from the video?
@@МихаилПоздняков-е3б "The Banality of Evil"
---> Hannah Arendt
Christopher Lydons sweeping generalities debase the substance of this programme. The interviewees interpretation of Arendt's ( correct the spelling please) work should be edited removing Lydon's unnecessary interruptions.
exactly. Lydon interruption is unbearable.
What name have the woman with phd grade from the video and what name have her book ???
I will bring a few more...for Julian...
22:48 When 'Alison' the random NPR blog commenter outclasses the 'expert' panelist *by a country mile.*
Seipjere indeed! That was a brilliant articulation of Arendt’s main point. Even her biographer wasn’t as articulate as this commentator!
@@MrAmitArun - 💃🏻 “We get ourselves into bigger dramas because we don't stop the smaller destructive acts. . . We only pay attention when evil looms so large that we can't ignore it. But the real evil is allowing all the small moments that allow evil to loom at all. That's the banality of evil.”
- 🏆 Alison *FTW* 🕶️ 🥠 👍🏻
Mr. Eichmann should have stayed in Madagascar.
Why?
This host is so rude and he keeps interrupting his guest. Elizabeth gives long and well thought answer but never could finish them. It's a pity. NPR should have a talk with this host and let him know what respect is.
It’s ARENDT, not ‘Arednt’ as on the video photo. Annoying.
Israeli and Diaspora Jews have the moral dilemma of the Palestine people, and so the shoe is on the other foot
It is double standarts, but deutch historian Aleida Assmann stay on palestinia side
Any subject broadcast by npr is suspect of omitting reflection and comparison to our own fascist neoliberal nation.
I'll be finding Arendt's perspective on another channel.
azimovist Why not read her books?
What a nation do you consider like the fascist?
Of course Eichmann was unthinking and a bureaucrat. She states the obvious and is shocked by it. Why?
She wasnt that schoked, but the reaction of the large population was 'shock'. So I wouldnt consider it that obvious.
@@bert.hbuysse5569 what country's population did shoke ?
Arendt was right to refuse the word Philosopher.
Why?
Levinas was by a philosopher. What was wrong with the fact that the person did not give up the title of philosopher?
'When we arrived in America we didn't like the word 'Refugee', so we decided to buy the whole country.'
Hah?
@hiker. The Banality of Hypocrisy.
What people did you mean, whan you wrote 'we decided to buy the whole country'?
Why did she not learn English 😂 PHONETICS
this interviewer is what is horrific. i have ptsd after listening to him.
LOL. He kept interrupting them to break as they were talking.
PTSD? You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
@@Johnconno you wrote the good remark
You wrote nonsense
Well, soviet have invasion on the official terretory of Poland. But...
Poland itself seized this territory from Russia in 1920-1921. and killed up to 100 thousand captured Soviet soldiers later. these ... Poles still do not admit it, they lie that they simply died on the territory of the Polish concentration camp. and if these ... stutter about the Molotov Pact of 1939, then let them not forget how, together with Hitler, in alliance with him, Poland, which Churchill called the "hyena of Europe, divided the land of Czechoslovakia
That thing has a face only a mother could love