Protect Your Synology with a UPS! - 4K Tutorial

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  • @gasmy2257
    @gasmy2257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I learned it the hard way… I live in Thailand where electricity shuts down quite often. 3 of the 4 drives in my NAS are now unusable. I lost the data, but it was mostly movies. Mostly I lost about 1000 USD of hard drives so before replacing them I'm purchasing a UPS..

  • @TiGGer1098
    @TiGGer1098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks a lot, excellent video. Especially about the automatic restart and also using the UPS to power the wifi until it runs out of juice. 10/10

  • @Yama_1291
    @Yama_1291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Spending a fraction of the overall cost of your NAS to not only protect your data, but the hardware as well in case of power failure or surge is really a no-brainer!

    • @jklasfjkl
      @jklasfjkl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      lots of review on amazon with UPS' catching fire etc. though...

  • @1BSDjunkie
    @1BSDjunkie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the clear explanation. Especially regarding the use of a UPS server. I had the displeasure of having one of my two NVME drives taken out due to power spikes. Now it is protected and running regular data scrubbing.

  • @Miisile
    @Miisile 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nicely explained. You hit several topics others missed and kept it very succinct. Good job!

  • @AmericaAndAllies
    @AmericaAndAllies 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will, I have been studying these consumer-grade UPS units and how Synology is designed and have found something that is a bit troubling. While the Synology units have a NUT server installed and it does put the unit into safe mode as advertised, and it does tell NUT clients to shut down correctly, the Synology itself does not completely shut down. This was by design so that if the power loss was momentary, Synology would detect this and go through a power cycle to recover. That whole mechanism works just fine. Now for the ugly. Firstly, because the Synology does not actually go all the way to shutdown, it becomes a parasitic draw. As you mentioned, you have other ancillary devices like Wifi connected to your setup (so do I). Between the Synology and other parasitic draws, during an extended utility power fail (say at a remote location), the battery will eventually deplete until the UPS shuts itself off. When the utility power does return, many of the consumer-grade models out there, including most APC and some Cyberpower units, will autostart on utility power return. Great right? Not really. When it returns is does so with depleted batteries. If the Synology is set to restore on utility power return, it is doing so while the UPS is depleted. If you get another power fail, during boot (3-4 mins), you have a perilous situation where another power fail could yank the power on the Synology, potentially during a write to the RAID if it is doing so during boot, or shortly there after. While I do not have any data on how fast the NUT server starts during the boot, I suspect it is several minutes, after their custom Linux OS boots completely. If the Synology is designed correctly, when the NUT does start up and it sees the depleted battery, it should go to back to standby immediately. Only an experiment would reveal the timing of this scenario and I am not willing to take the chance on it. I can only imagine the expense of sending off RAID drives for repair if the built-in utilities are unable to repair the RAID. In any event, this is a serious problem for these Synology units and their power-handling with consumer-grade UPS units. Higher-end UPS units (business grade) have reserve battery settings to ensure this scenario does not play out. Users of consumer-grade UPS units for use with Synology units should be aware of the potential hazard and not walk into that potential quicksand.

  • @brettthomas2611
    @brettthomas2611 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just rewatched the set-up part of your video to set up my new APC UPS - easy to follow and gave me confidence. Thanks again!

  • @brettthomas2611
    @brettthomas2611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bravo for being clear, concise and professional in your presentation. Very Helpful vs average youtuber!

  • @jimholloway1785
    @jimholloway1785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I liked the video, I was able to hook up a USB 2.0 Printer Type Cable - A-Male to B-Male and it worked perfect. It took more time to find the cable in my box of cables and to move the rack a bit to find the connection on my UPS. I followed all your instructions and it worked great. One slight item is you might want to add on your next video is to show the USB type A cable that is hardly used anymore except for some old printers and UPS's. I will have to think about more items for you to do reviews on, but I am really enjoying your TH-cam Channel.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! All the UPS’s have different connections. Funny enough the one I own actually needs to use a male to male USB cable (came with the UPS) but that cable technically should not exist

  • @mencken8
    @mencken8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s surprising to me that nearly a quarter of the way into the 21st century, the need for a UPS still needs to be brought home to people. I have been using an UPS for over 20 years- and no data problems. I use a Cyber Power 685 to back up the Synology 718+, router, switch, and several small hubs. This is well within the capacity of the UPS, and interface with the Synology for auto safe shutdown works fine. As n the video, I use a 5 minute timer. The Cyber Power UPS is not particularly expensive, certainly for the protection it provides.

    • @mikahundin
      @mikahundin ปีที่แล้ว

      How many years does a UPS in your experience last? The batteries eventually degrade, right?

    • @mencken8
      @mencken8 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikahundin my first CP 685 lasted about 6 years. I’m now 2 years into my second. Replacement battery was expensive enough that it was just better to order a new one.

    • @mikahundin
      @mikahundin ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mencken8 thanks for your reply! I think that's a decent life span!

  • @jonnymac31
    @jonnymac31 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for putting all these videos together. They have helped me alot.

  • @MikeS29
    @MikeS29 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just installed mine today! Thanks again for a great channel.

  • @davidputt4638
    @davidputt4638 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It would be nice to have information on if it matters to have a pure-sign wave UPS or if it's ok to have a cheap modified sign wave UPS.

  • @rtmjacobs
    @rtmjacobs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks. Easy to follow UPS installation instructions. I am grateful for your efforts.

  • @vonrollveeg
    @vonrollveeg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. This was "on point" and helped me a lot. The "restart option" was unknown to me! So important.

  • @valentinonguyen2504
    @valentinonguyen2504 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hello i already use synology DS223j i looking UPS for it can i buy any UPS have USB port or chose exactly in recomment synology list

  • @paulbudd6876
    @paulbudd6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good Job. Easy to miss the 'restart option'. If i'm out of town I want it restarted automatically so the cameras can start recording again.

  • @superbaggio87
    @superbaggio87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always top notch videos and information keep up

  • @Mark-hp5rm
    @Mark-hp5rm ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What are your thoughts on the APC UPS 1500VA Sine Wave UPS vs CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS. Added to a small home office (Desktop PC w/ Monitor) Router, & DS 920+ Nas

    • @AmericaAndAllies
      @AmericaAndAllies 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have that unit. It is supported by my 6.2 Synology. You just need to connect a printer-type (Type-B) USB cable from the USB port on the back of the Synology to the UPS. Works fine.

  • @ArlisaSThomas
    @ArlisaSThomas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this easy-to-follow tutorial!

  • @derekmccoy6119
    @derekmccoy6119 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are super helpful. Thank you!

  • @skystink
    @skystink 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As far as I know the UPS also protects you from (say) over powering and hence breaking the system when thunder/lightning strikes. This is probably even a more severe treat to home users than power outage (ok ok depends which country you live).

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So that's a surge protector. Most UPS's are also surge protectors but its not requited

    • @skystink
      @skystink 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpaceRexWill oh okay, thanks!

  • @AndreasBodin
    @AndreasBodin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great walkthrough!
    How much does your network equipment consume in watts?
    I myself use a USG-Pro and a USW 16 PoE 150W.

  • @ОлександрОнищенко-ф2л
    @ОлександрОнищенко-ф2л 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are my hero, thank you for the video!

  • @Stephen_Newport
    @Stephen_Newport ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you this was all very clear

  • @beydoin
    @beydoin ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, this was very very helpful

  • @pierre-loup
    @pierre-loup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for your great tutorials!

  • @felixdho
    @felixdho ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you a lot !

  • @oscarr.aquino1570
    @oscarr.aquino1570 ปีที่แล้ว

    wich one is the cable for connect

  • @chriszurales9665
    @chriszurales9665 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, excellent and understandable presentation.

  • @roumenstratiev6357
    @roumenstratiev6357 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for a very useful video. I have the following question - is connecting my Synology NAS with my UPS via USB enough, or should I also plug in the NAS power cable into the UPS?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว

      The NAS needs to be plugged into AC power on the UPS

  • @Nathan_Akers
    @Nathan_Akers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    where do I find the compatibility list for UPS units

  • @electriciantm9142
    @electriciantm9142 ปีที่แล้ว

    what if i have stupid ups that cant shut down the nas? what are my options?

  • @jmalmsten
    @jmalmsten 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That list on Synology's website really is woefully hard to use, in my opinion. It is just a long list of model names. No mention of capacity, features, estimated prices, estimated battery runtime for what watt-load... nothing. And they seem to mix both full UPS-devices and network cards for UPS-devices... And I think they have multiple region versions of UPS-devices in it as well, further cluttering things up.
    Ok, so I can google each and every one of them, but man... trying to get to a decision is proving to be very slow and frustrating. And if I try to go the other way around... I try to look up what local vendors have in store. I have no idea what I should be looking for in the technical specs, other than trying to match the model number to that giant list.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What I would do is to look up “SMART UPS” on Amazon and look for ones that meet your needs then there is a good chance they will be compatible (but check the list)

  • @V3VoVo
    @V3VoVo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good and informative

  • @mikahundin
    @mikahundin ปีที่แล้ว

    Found this online: "Once UPS batteries have reached the end of their service life, they’re finished. Higher quality UPS batteries are designed to provide 3-5 years of life time. Some will last even longer depending on use/abuse. We’ve seen UPS batteries that have provided decent run time at 7 years! But, once this life time is over, the battery is no longer usable and needs to be recycled. It can not be repaired or serviced."
    So expected life is about 3-7 years depending, I believe. Have you had any experience buying refurbished UPS? Sold by vendors online, even new egg.

    • @mikahundin
      @mikahundin ปีที่แล้ว

      Expanded: The battery of an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) provides the backup power to critical devices whenever the main source of power goes out. This makes the battery one of the most important components of a UPS.
      When a UPS battery is stored, it normally discharges at a rate of between 3% and 10% per month depending on the rating of the battery and the temperature of the place where it is stored. When the surrounding temperature is 25°C, the discharge rate is at 3% per month. This increases to 10% per month when the temperature of the storage area is at or more than 30°C.
      It is essential to recharge a UPS battery within six months. However, if the ambient temperature is more than 30°C, it is necessary to recharge the UPS battery every three months.
      This is indispensable since large crystals or heavy lead sulfate may form on the battery plates if the UPS battery is left uncharged for a long period of time. This situation is called sulfation and may result in premature damage to the battery.

  • @claytontycksen9472
    @claytontycksen9472 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it matter whether I plug the UPS USB cable into the FRONT or the BACK of my Synology NAS?

  • @TheGirlOnABike
    @TheGirlOnABike 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, super helpful

  • @jeffreynunn5068
    @jeffreynunn5068 ปีที่แล้ว

    great review and on that I went out a got a cyberpower and it is working great. On another note, I have photos and files spread around my nas, and not sure which ones relate to which app. So photos in home directory, in homes, in synology drive etc. Is there a source document showing what app stores what files where, so I can hopefully remove redundent files and understand which files are only symbolic links etc.

  • @doctorkj5640
    @doctorkj5640 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I want an ups just for 923+ and a router do I need to have pure sine wave ups or aprox sine wave will suffice? I figure since 923+ has external psu that converts AC to DC anyway, what would be the point of pure sine wave. Please advise. thnx.

  • @greetje7071
    @greetje7071 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, there was only one thing that I would like to know more detailed info about. Having two Synologys and connecting them correctly on the device is to me still a puzzle. Can you help me (and many others) with this. Also, with the cable work, in combination with the router etc, thanks 🙏

  • @benj1236
    @benj1236 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *What happens if you have two Synology's and only one USB. Can I use a USB hub or spliter?*

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are going to want to setup one of them as a UPS "server" and the other one listen for it

  • @Nligady
    @Nligady 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    is it a way to have this shut off your pc and nas at the same time

  • @Crazy--Clown
    @Crazy--Clown 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your vids are awesome!

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey thanks! Glad you like them!

  • @artevirtu
    @artevirtu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey! Thank you for all this information. I just wish I watched this one before I made my UPS purchase. Question, does the UPS support only work for Windows and Linux? Is there any other work around if my DSM doesn't recognize my UPS? It's from APC, but it's one of their brand new models, unfortunately it doesn't have a data port either. Would connecting my router to my UPS help DSM recognize my NAS? If theres no options, what should I do incase a power outage happens? Thank you for all the advice!

    • @AmericaAndAllies
      @AmericaAndAllies 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which model of APC do you have that does not have the data port? APC units typically have 3 ports, two for optional surge protection on LAN cables, the other is a 'Data' port that is really a USB port, but with an Ethernet type female connection. This requires a special USB cable. They are available on Amazing once you know the part number that you are looking for. They are generally under $15.

    • @artevirtu
      @artevirtu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AmericaAndAllies I purchased the BE500G3/BE700G3 but those two did not have any data ports. I ended up returning and purchasing an APC that is compatible with my NAS.

  • @billycrowe4501
    @billycrowe4501 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you connect the apc to a mac when the usb connection is connected to the nas. I connected the smart network port to my switch but it doesnt seem to see it. Curious if I need to use the serial port and what the difference is

  • @Kurt013
    @Kurt013 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi,
    One thing that i didn't understood is if that UPS has the feature of safely turn off the NAS, why you use a custom timer instead of it? It's only for save the UPS battery for the router to then when power came on again, it be able to turn on the NAS?
    Also, for a DS920+ which model do you advise? It would be only for the NAS since it will be hidden and not close to the router (which means i had to have to UPS 😞).
    Thanks

  • @kilonova_th
    @kilonova_th 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the frame blending you're doing started to scare me before i realized what you were doing to transition takes

  • @IkariaPower
    @IkariaPower 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great but what can we do now with DSM7 that has remove the option to shut down safe our NAS when the battery running low ???

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      its still in there!

    • @IkariaPower
      @IkariaPower 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpaceRexWill where my friend ??? I had this before the update from 6 to 7 and it worked normally after power failure but after the upgrade it stopped working and shuts down when the ups battery runs out, also there is not an option in the menu anymore !!!

    • @squareviews
      @squareviews 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, it doesn't shut down, it just goes in "Safe Mode". This has some advantages, but the strategy mentioned in the video where other devices (router etc.) still keep running for a longer period because the Synology doesn't draw power after the shutdown, well, that doesn't work. The Synology only shuts down out of Safe Mode once the UPS finally runs out of power.

  • @Dtileandremodeling
    @Dtileandremodeling 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    whats the least expensive ups or a apc , battery back up that i an program like this one to properly shut down the nas ?

  • @randallsingleton6904
    @randallsingleton6904 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos. I have a UPS on my PC system now. Can the UPS server feature be used to power down PC also? If not, is there away to accomplish this. Thanks

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a setting called network UPS, but it might take using SSH to get the settings worked out right

  • @RockTheCage55
    @RockTheCage55 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have any idea if a synology nas needs a UPS with AVR (automatic voltage regulation)? Cheaper UPS generally don't have AVR. I really don't need a big battery in my synology. Maybe just to stay up for 5 minutes and shutdown after that but if i want AVR of course i'm going to have to spend more money and i will get a bigger battery.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unless you really have poor internet it’s probably not necessary

  • @easternma
    @easternma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    APC Back-UPS include many software adjustments that you can reach via a PC using the PowerChute software. Is there a way to do this from the NAS? I ask because it would be nice to track energy costs as well as adjust the trip points. I have one installation that has a high number of nuisance trips caused by the buildings ventilation system turning on. If I could access the programmable UPS settings I could adjust this and eliminate the constant string of email warnings sent out.

    • @AmericaAndAllies
      @AmericaAndAllies 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The software running on Synology that deals with the UPS is a Linux NUT server. There are client and server software configurations of NUT. If you install NUT on Windows, you can pull data out of the UPS if you are on the same LAN as the Synology, or if you set up an SSH tunnel to the Synology. This is what a typical dump looks like. You could collect using a simple python script, append a .csv file, then pull that data in the Excel for viewing or write your own code to do energy management. The ups.load: 38 is probably indicating 38W since it is only supporting the Synology, a Wifi router, a XFinity Internet/TV box, and other small draw devices. The command to get this data is the NUT utility 'upsc'.
      battery.charge: 100
      battery.charge.low: 10
      battery.charge.warning: 20
      battery.mfr.date: CPS
      battery.runtime: 1020
      battery.runtime.low: 300
      battery.status: 100%
      battery.type: PbAcid
      battery.voltage: 24.0
      battery.voltage.nominal: 24
      device.mfr: CPS
      device.model: CP1500PFCLCD
      device.serial: 000000000000
      device.type: ups
      driver.debug: 0
      driver.flag.allow_killpower: 0
      driver.name: usbhid-ups
      driver.parameter.pollfreq: 30
      driver.parameter.pollinterval: 2
      driver.parameter.port: auto
      driver.parameter.productid: 0501
      driver.parameter.synchronous: auto
      driver.parameter.vendorid: 0764
      driver.state: quiet
      driver.version: 2.8.2.986.9-995-g943ed
      driver.version.data: CyberPower HID 0.
      driver.version.internal: 0.56
      driver.version.usb: libusb-0.1 (or com
      input.sensitivity: normal
      input.transfer.high: 139
      input.transfer.low: 88
      input.voltage: 121.0
      input.voltage.nominal: 120
      output.voltage: 121.0
      ups.beeper.status: enabled
      ups.delay.shutdown: 20
      ups.delay.start: 30
      ups.firmware: CRCA102_2
      ups.load: 38
      ups.mfr: CPS
      ups.model: CP1500PFCLCD
      ups.productid: 0501
      ups.realpower.nominal: 900
      ups.serial: 000000000000
      ups.status: OL
      ups.test.result: No test initiated
      ups.timer.shutdown: -60
      ups.timer.start: -60
      ups.vendorid: 0764

  • @ganeryhyperion8386
    @ganeryhyperion8386 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    only i hate on synology they will force reboot the ups if the battery is low on ups on power up of the ups, other than that it will successfully shut down the nas. I hope they will put more control freature on power manage on ups on synology

  • @spirosalmpanis6694
    @spirosalmpanis6694 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the video! Although my Eaton 5E 850VA USB DIN is on the Synology compatibility list (vendor recommended) and I have set it up to turn my Nas on low battery, at a power down, the Nas enter safe mode successfully but it didn't manage to turn it off and I wasn't able to access it from a web interface (I assume safe mode prevents that) Do we need to turn off the nas manually by the power button on the device? But what about when no one's is home? Thanks

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So once the NAS enters safe mode all of the disks get unmounted and therefor will have no issue if power is lost. Then it will wait for the power to go out to shut down. I believe this is done to allow it to restore itself should the power come back on as if it shut all the way down and the power came back on the UPS would have no way to boot the NAS back up as the NAS would never have lost power

    • @spirosalmpanis6694
      @spirosalmpanis6694 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpaceRexWill thanks for the quick reply! No unfortunately the nas it doesn't shut down by the ups, only enters on safe mode. Although my Nas is connected to ups by USB and the Nas recognize the ups correctly. Also I get the following email "Dear user,
      The UPS device connected to NAS has entered battery mode. NAS will shut down once the UPS device's battery has been depleted. Please manually power off NAS or restore the external power supply as soon as possible."
      So I assume that it doesn't shut down the Nas but only enters on safe mode. What is your experience with your apc ups?

  • @specialk22tt
    @specialk22tt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video but 2:55 scared tf out of me lol.

  • @stormtracker1
    @stormtracker1 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting to note and completely random but that same UPS you use was $303 in 2020 and is now $475 in 2022 ugh

  • @darrinthorndike4950
    @darrinthorndike4950 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, enjoying your videos. I’d like to say I have a UPS on the sync log you list, but I do not. I have a Cyberpower unit that has control software to power down windows machine, is there a way to get this to communicate to my 918+ Nas? Perhaps through a Windows 10 vm?
    If so, that would be a cool video. Hint hint wink wink

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha I don’t have a cyber power but it might just work even if it’s not on the comparability list

    • @cycledude_bcn
      @cycledude_bcn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi there! Did u finally manage to shut down your PC AND your NAS with just one usb connector? (Curious, since I'm looking at the same scenario).

  • @michaelpearson9
    @michaelpearson9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dont need a UPS if u have a solar and solar batteries

  • @e-scott8326
    @e-scott8326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an informative video. A little long winded on the intro. You can basically skip to the 3 minute mark to get to the info you need to know.

  • @vulcan03
    @vulcan03 ปีที่แล้ว

    You look so sad, great video tho thank you.

  • @evankupec8495
    @evankupec8495 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    frankly this is the only video ive been able to watch at 2x speed and still feel like the talking is slow