KTM Wanted £1000 to fix this £3.30 problem 🤣
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- In this series of two videos we take a look at a KTM690 Duke with terrible running problems. KTM gave the owner a quote of £1000 to fix the issue, in reality it needed a part that cost £3.30!
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And this is why everyone everywhere should be well versed in the right to repair movement. Dealers and companies will extort you to the end of the earth if they are allowed to, we need clear regulations forcing companies to provide repair schematics and diagnostic tools.
It's far worse than that. Some manufacturers in the mid 2000s started designing bikes to fail post warranty by the use of plastics with defined heat cycles and this is the business model for the company. See a certain Bavarian brand. This is not poor design, it's designed failure.
Great video!! Makes me appreciate older bikes with carburetors.
Too true, this modern stuff boggles my mind!
Methodical, evidence based troubleshooting. Massively appreciate your videos! Every mechanic should work like that but so few do.
KTM seem to be scammers. My mate let his super duke sit for 6 months, it wouldn't run right after. They quoted him 900 to sort it out telling him they'd have to strip the fuel system and refresh it. I drained the fuel, put fresh fuel in and ran some injector cleaner through it (red x if you're interested). Sorted it out for 25 quid including the fuel.
they are.they charged me 920 for a normal service to my GT. nothing broken, just fluids and valve check. they won't see me again
@@vito1064 Wow , hope you got kissed and flowers !
At least they provide lube. Did they kiss you first?
Honda becoming wankers too
Motorcycles used to be a cheap form of transportation, that you could service or repair yourself. Now look , and they're saying bike sales are dropping. No sh*t 😅
They still are, cheap as new bikes anyway are and parts are cheap. Western market tends to be speed toys though and the 125 euro segment basically erases the cheap sub 400cc segment in europe..
The biggest problem in modern bikes is CAD design and how compact everything is packed. A spark plug change is now a 2-3 hour job. Valve spacing is now an engine out job.
I have always had bikes my first FS1E at 16 and lots after but no bikes with fuel injection or any emissions bs my bandit 600 has never given me any problems carbs get drained in winter and is ready in summer for fun but my newest bike is 1998 and oldest 1977 😎
Give me a gravity fed set of carbs any day.
When I hear “KTM” - I hear awesome performance and then I hear shitty reliability and idiotically costly parts. Solve your problem: buy a Japanese bike and ride rather than fix..and pay, and pay, and pay….and pay…..
Japanese are slightly more reliable but not necessarily cheap, I have a yamaha
My ktm Duke did the exact same thing, new spark plug and it will ride brilliant for a few hundred miles, I'll bet the valves need re-shiming, they need adjusting often on these little thumpers
Bring back the CARBURETTOR 💪😎
Had almost that on a KTM 950 Adventure (carbs) in the summer. The idle would dip down every ten seconds. Sometimes the dip would cause it to stall, other times it would only just recover. It was a new NGK spark plug that caused it.
With the bad plug it would ride alright at high revs, but was playing up at low revs.
watch them ngk's there are counterfit ones out here.
De rust your tanks , this E10 petrol is rusting tanks quicker than a rabbit running . Be aware it can cause no end of trouble.
Methanol sitting in the tank over winter will make gunk that will mess your fueling and eat on rubber parts over time
Really? I’ve been using it since 2009 and my cars and bikes have had no problems whatsoever.
Never owned one. But this would piss me off.
This is like anything you buy new motor bike any vehicles it's all electrical and don't want people fixing them and take them to the dealership and a expensive job I stick to any thing old I've got a cheap lifan -mirage 156-fmi engine easy to fix cheap parts nothing special 14 plate 55000 miles only paid £500 it's never let me down I'm old school mechanic and welder fabricatior don't do anything electrical or technical can't be dealing with it good luck with it but sounds like you really know your stuff just found your channel 👍
Nice video! Please keep them coming. I don't know if the fueling system on this bike and the RC390 are the same, but my 15' RC390 had a starting issue and would also run lean. It turned out that the fuel hose wasn't sealing correctly. Hence, the fuel pressure was incorrect, making it stall and backfire on the declaration. It was also intermittent because the hose would move around, have better sealing at one moment, and be squirting fuel back into the tank the next minute.
...so it sounds like there were no fuel hose clamps/circlips fitted, or the hose is getting old and needs replacing with a generic fuel hose of correct inner diameter, cut to length, and with clamps/clips.
Was it producing flame pops as you changed gear?
@@steve00alt70 my rc390 did not.
@@rickcrespo5410 my 125 does
I have a Husqvarna SM610S that has a very bad miss. From the paperwork that came with it (it was imported to Thailand from Japan) the chassis # comes back as a 1998 or 1999 and it is absolutely impossible to find spares for this bike. Having a single 577cc engine miss all the time except for when you're really on it makes it exhausting to ride. You have to hang on for your dear life and starting slow turns out from a driveway or street you're always in danger of going down if it quits. It's been parked for two years but I have to give it another attempt, the bike is big and cool.
Sir, all of your videos are entertainment..... Hell, I don't even own a bike but here I am watching you fix stuff the Dealer's
don't want anything to do with them ! It's a great cH!T sHOW that's "Super" entertaining for me to watch ! GiT-R-Done !
Love these diagnostic vids Jim , so interesting 👍
11k miles on a Duke 3, it's almost new. Your mic is lucky, I'd love to have a muff just laying around 😂 If you're not aware, instead of purchasing a higher pressure relief valve, you can modify the original. And, with the free play in the gears within the throttle body, if you release the tension on the two lower screws holding the stepper motor, you can eliminate all of the free play by gently using a screwdriver between the housing and the stepper motor mounting plate, apply a little pressure, check the play, and retighten.
Did you notice it won’t start on continuous cranking then starts on first cycle of next attempt.
Had a 2008 990 superduke since 2013. Apart from the common fault of the water pump oil seal its never missed a beat. Thank christ, the part prices are eye watering 😳
This is a great video. It just shows how complicated motorcycles have become. The cost of servicing and repairs is getting rediculous.
My 690 wouldn't start at fuel station after refuel. Got it going and limped home popping and banging. Turned out to be fuel pressure relief valve
I've got a 45-year-old Honda that runs better than that KTM ever did, I've got a hatred of KTMs from when they switched from dirt bikes to road bikes, they are overpriced, overhyped and unreliable, just my opinion,
Exactement.
I had my first ktm a 400 2t motocross in 1980. It was made in Austria and built like a tank. I have since had an 02 Exc 200 and an 04 625 Smc again both well made and highly capable machines..I wouldn’t entertain any ktm made after 2010 and certainly wouldn’t have a newer indian made one if you gave it to me...
I have a KTM 990 smr and I wager it's more fun than you can ever imagine on your antique Honda snore machine.
This why i ride older bikes.preferably evo sportsters.i have 4 and a vrod. Hammer performance 1275 kit and good suspension makes them a fun and reliable machine. Mine are carbies,89 model,94,02,03.the vrod is 04. All of them have been dead reliable. The one thing that tends to go out on them is ignition module but hammer kits include dynatek upgrade.
got the same issue .... turns out its the crank sensor going bad .... its already over 100,000km .... its a 2014 Duke 690R
KTM are typical of today’s problems - there are VERY FEW Tradesmen left. Fewer still “Mechanics”. Not many repair shops remain - they are generally remove, throw away and replace establishments.
And you know why? Very few people are willing to pay tradesmen what they are worth.
I think its finding them that's the problem ,this fellow gets plenty of work
I had to take back my KTM 4 times under warranty for an engine issue. All the KTM techs did each time was up the idle. They never fixed it due to 'our technicians are only good with mechanical issues, not electronic' My engine would stall randomly, I think it was a fueling issue at mid-low RPM. I sold it and thought fk KTM, never will buy one again.
9:02 "...😁Injection value.."
Had a SuperDuke 990 R and i had two great days on it. The day i bought it and the day i sold it..... KTM - Never Again.
These things vibrates like hell shakes everything to bits
The reason why most manufacturers avoid big thumpers. Physics.
Really liking the regular vids ol lad
Two words...Merino and wool👍 Loving these vids as always
I have ktm 1090 with abs problem. Changed pump and both sensors. Still have abs failer. If you want to have look😁
If this happens to yours, it's your own fault for buying one of their bikes. £1000 for a £3.30 fix? Sounds like KTM learned their trade from Ducati.
KTM get their throttle bodies as complete units from Kehin.
KTM,we reckon it stands for kick ten minutes,how come in this day and age manufacturers can't build reliable bikes or cars,they cost a fortune,a selection of them have fuelling problems from new,need re mapping etc, what a waste of time,going back and forwards to dealers workshop's for a fix.
I thought it was Keeps Taking Money!
One is exponentially wiser albeit completely over my head 😂👍👏👌
My mt 09 never stops i service it my self its bullet proof
Nice video, thanks Jim.
WAFNM Simple don’t buy a ktm, 😜
Your loss mate, they make some epic bikes. Crappy dealers exist in all flavours of bike manufacturer.
Loved your account of the on the move compression test! Reliable confirmation. From the looks of that plug the fuel mix is fine, neither rich nor lean. But from someone who used to set ignition timing with a Rizla paper and a (hi-tech) trannie radio, that bike is the stuff of nightmares. A malfunctioning electronic hallucinogenic. As sicks6six says, KTMs are overpriced, overhyped and unreliable. In a word, shite.
Hi, good video. I have 2008 690 supermoto with similar issue on my garage now. TPS calibration was bad, fixed. Spark plug cap was dead, fixed. But that didn't solve the problem. I checked the fuel pressure - good. Hmm.......... Then I checked the valve clearances. The intake is clamped. The output is a bad rocker arm. I'm waiting rocker arm now, hope this solves the problem.
KTM eat rockers
@@ritid69
The second gen 690 LC4 bikes are renowned for rocker arm issues.
KTM seem to have their share of electrical gremlins, another reason l wouldn’t buy one. Interesting video all the same.
The interesting thing is that most of the sensors are Japanese.
The bikes themselves can be an absolute pain in the arse to work on though and there's a LOT of reports about poor dealership service.
Stick a mikuni carb on it, so the customers can fix them,
ktm? Got myself a 1050 adv back in 2016, 60.000km now, never had the slightest problem. guess I am lucky 😅.
KTM is a design company that manufacturs in some of the cheapest labor markets in the world. It's a gamble on whether they match a reliable design with reliable manufacturing. But a good rule of thumb is never buy a new model because they always have trouble.
I literally said to my Mrs soon as the bike wouldn't start properly on the button its fuel or spark issue. She said its a throttle problem 😅I said whys that, she said because the guy said so 😂😂. NO love if the bike ain't starting on the button and he ain't even touched the throttle it ain't the throttle lol
You know what my spidey-senses tell me……. You change your senses a lot…… 😬
Don't forget KTMs' heritage is race bikes and 11k is more than a race bikes life. If youve got a bike with a carby never sell it.
Hi,,loving this channel.
Is it possible to reset the ecu without the ktm software?
What equipment do I need, i have an rc390?
Thanks
Been sat since summer and fuel is full of water now maybe?
Did anyone with a 350 Honda have this sort of problem back in the 70's?
Duke 690's are really fun bike to ride...brings hoolinganisim in us 😂😂😂
Watch to the end❤❤❤
At 6.06 in, my guess is intake air leak.
Anyone who owns a KTM deserves problems.
Bit like abs problems on bm’s no more bmw’s for me either
Manufactures making machines to complicated to repair. How many times do you hear " we need to replace a part" (part being astronomically expensive). Joe Blogs is none the wiser.
I have that very same toughpad. What software are you running on it?
KTM=Keep taking money.
Also bike got better when warm got to be fuel oiling up
I have a full exhaust decat system for my 125cc, it has no re-tune for it. Sometimes it creates flame pops when changing gears, does that mean its running lean and will destroy my spark plugs?
If you have an pair valve system on it, remove it and blok off the holes in de cylinder head
@@jacgout4345 mines a chinese bike
Half a gallon of fresh petrol?
Did that coolant temp sensor show -40 deg?
Quite fancied one of these but this video made up my mind not to buy KTM.
KTM keep taking money, and dealerships on the con lol
I am surprised you didn't go for the Throttle sleeve/lines adjustment first then go after balancing the throttle bodies.
Throttle bodies?? There's only one!
Can you please define throttle sleeve/line's .
@@riccicrozzie8204 I'd also like the answer to that one!
Sorry I didn't realize a 690 was a single cylinder, then it would only be the linkage to the single TB, there would be no balancing.
@@Moto_Plus please tell me you're not a motorcycle mechanic.
KTM are appalling with the reliability issues
A view from the UK. As much as i enjoy your videos, (you do waffle a bit), i can't help but draw a question. That is ; in this video you go straight the diagnostic box and start resetting parameters.... without checking to see why those parameters have gone out of spec, or am i looking at this too simplistically? Through regular use, parts do wear - obviously, but i don't see a lot of first line diagnostics. Years ago I remember one washing machine manufacturer had a diagnostic flow cart in their manual you could follow. Number 1, top of the list was.....is the machine plugged in and turned on. Whatever did we do before electronics and ECUs'.
Watching video bike sounds like your using E10 not E5 ? Very fluffy pick up
Can you even get that anymore? I thought every where was e10 now
Super unleaded is e5 I think. @@anonymous-ts6bm
@@chris9650 correct super unleaded is E5
KTM.kost thousands to maintain
Great videos, longer the better for me anyway 👍
I'm curious now what the £3.30 will be spent on. Not the spark plug surely?
Not a spark plug, it's not click bate either, the part to completely fix it really did cost £3.30. All will be revealed in part 2!
Plastic harness connector!
Wouldn't ever want to own a KTM
I think the answer is to boycott KTM
Ah ktm being a ktm
with a lot of these it is almost certainly an issue to do with curry - often this is how it is
I skipped a bit to find out what the 3 pound odd problem was. Is it in the next video? Your right about my attention span, I'm not watching another 30 minute video to find out, as I'll bet my left nut, it will take less than one minute to say what the 3pound solution is.
What’s the £3.30 fix
You're going to have to wait until part 2, same time next week!
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV looking forward to it already..
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV That's some cheap labour!
All these people here with their remarks about ktm reliability electrical gremlins etc probably did not watch part two I guess😅
This I did not YET watch . But the title brings to mind how the spare auto parts business is just taking the piss out of consumers. If horses were still the mode, that shoe would charge out at $10,000 each. It's gotta be addressed and the right to repair has to be restored. They are fucking us all over a barrel. Hard earned wages are just a joke in those departments. 😢😢😢😢😢
Don't singles just sound great?!
A 690 with a decent exhaust going full throttle is what you wanna be listening to
This woman has not got a clue of the state of our country! Makes me so mad! Look at Sweden 🇸🇪 and the mess they have got on their hands talking of getting the army involved!!
Typical KTM if you buy a KTM be prepared to look after it yourself because the AD’s are crap in my experience they are over priced when you consider the aftercare I’ve repaired all of my problems on my SMCR myself they are the Range Rover of the bike world best just go Japanese, mind you when it works it brings a smile to my face but its not very often
So it was not a 3.3 problem...
CAR!!
Made in India 😬
great vid loads of info
get a royal enfield
KTM absolute crap reliability
Bad name
I liked the video I did not like the EFFING
would you rather be deaf ?
Sorry; had to stop watching because of your frequent bad language. I was watching with my eight year old daughter….
I agree. There is no point to the language and it just ruins an otherwise great channel. Swearing is just an ignorant use of language.
Jim, never, ever do a wheelie on camera again, mate. Delete this comment, also.
😂 Don't really think that counts as a wheelie to be honest, 4" off the ground 🤔 🤣
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV Be careful mate. Do your homework and consider deleting the video. Sorry to be a nag, mate.
"Man on the Internet rides a motorbike slightly enthusiastically but doesn't break the speed limit" 😂😂 Hold the front page! Mate....nobody cares, apart from you, apparently. Whatever you do, don't watch ,"44 Teeth" it'll give you a stroke! 😂@kevinchamberlain7928
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV He'll have a heart attack if he popped over to my channel 🤣🤣🤣
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV Careful mate, he's the sort of genius to make a nuisance of himself at a vaccination centre... He might come make a nuisance of himself for you too xD
Why do you keep swearing!
Handle bars are not centered correctly
I wondered if anyone would notice! 😁👍