Well ! That’s the power of inverter generators these days . Great video and with them connected in parallel to get industrial power out of them to run the big loads . Awesome !😊
Just ordered one! I was looking at the predator but i really like the remote start and dual fuel. Thanks for making these videos they are very helpful.
Gavin - I really like this video great info. Using the Watchdog was interesting and a great new addition to your videos. I've been thinking of using one on my own setup. I just need to sell my loud open frame gen for a inverter. These videos provide lots of value to the RV community, campers, homesteaders, rural living, and power outage survival.
Interesting and entertaining video as usual. Someone else commented about the Hughes Watchdog. I think a lot of us would like to see an in depth video on that. I watched a couple of YT videos by others but I like your style better. 😉
Answer: Yes, the 50 amp receptacle and the 30 amp receptacle will need to be used at the same time to take full advantage of the power output available. Please note that any 50 amp receptacle will be limited to 12,000 watts at its peak capacity.
This is the video I've been waiting for! I can't remember where, but I heard somewhere that the reduced power rating on propane was due to the tank getting cold and pressure dropping, so theoretically, if you had a big enough tank, regulator, propane hose, and or a tank heater, you could get the same power out of a generator as you can on gas. I'd imagine you have to run on propane for some amount of time before you can't make full power anymore. Anyway, thanks for the video! This answered most of the questions I had.
I'm not sure about that. I think it's the energy density of the fuel. The only evidence I have to back that up is that the RPMs of the generator rev up when it's on propane for the same load. You can hear it in this video and Gavin mentioned it in a previous video, in the context of how the generator will run quieter on gas because it can run the same load at a lower RPM. Does my reasoning make sense?
@@kettch42 The change in RPM comes down primarily to the differing stoichiometric combustion ratios between propane and gas, (Propane (LP) (By mass 15.5 : 1) (By volume 23.9 : 1) (Percent fuel by mass 6.45%) vs Gasoline (By mass 14.7 : 1) (Percent fuel by mass 6.8%)), the energy density for propane is actually slightly higher than gasoline by weight (12.9 kWh/kg vs 12.7 kWh/kg respectively). By volume it does differ a little bit (7.5 kWh/l for propane and 8.76 kWh/l for gas), but that can all be addressed with the aforementioned properly sized hoses, regulators, and carburetors, etc. So, for a given situation a generator will have to run a little bit faster on propane just to maintain a clean burn but on an inverter generator it technically doesn't matter what speed the generator runs at as long as there's enough energy for the load at that RPM, and the engine can physically run at that speed, (the whole reason inverter generators were invented was to be able to vary the RPM of the engine). So, I guess to say what I originally said more concisely for an inverter generator it should not matter as long as the engine can go a few 100 RPM above (this number will vary with displacement) what it does on gas (around 3600 RPM), however, most 3600 RPM are rated for 3800 RPM. Technically, it's a bigger deal for traditional generators it's running a higher RPM your power quality will suffer if you can't maintain the same engine speed, so, I guess without some clever tricks you actually would have to cut your rated output when converting those to propane. That's probably why dual fuel is more popular on inverter generators anyway.
@@xsterawesome Thanks for all that insight. My thought is that since we are talking about maximum power, there is a maximum RPM that the engine/generator can do (not sure what the limiting factor is though), so if both gas and propane have the same max RPM, gas will always produce more power.
I wanted to make sure I mentioned this, The way Duramax has this wired with no neutral and only using the ground wire Will still give you 120 and 240v but its not being implemented correctly, they're sending all of the current back down the ground wire. For this to be safe and correct there really needs to be a neutral. Period. The Honda eu7000is parallel kit is doing this the correct way.
Very interesting. Its cool how you can parallel them together. I assume that they automatically synchronize phases? You could run an average size house on that. Great video!
Question fro Duramax site: So if I wanted to buy two generators and the parallel kit and tie them into my breaker panel, How can I get the maximum combined power? Would I be limited to 50A, and then have the spare 30A I would have to run extension cords?
OK Gavin GREAT Videos first of all!!!!! I want to buy this generator!!!! My Question is this... What all needs to be done to run these of my home Natural Gas supply ???
@@GeneratorReviews I'm seeing them for smaller generators. Like 2000W and less but not for these larger ones. Myself to truly consider this for a home backup generator id need to run it of NG.
Great video! Going to pick up a watchdog today! Have you done a test trying to run a residential AC/heat pump off one of these? I have a 2021, 3 Ton, Ruud, 17Seer, three-stage, inverter heat pump and I'm hoping I can run it and the furnace blower off this machine. Your thoughts?
Answer. The XP9000iH will have a bonded neutral and ground wire; and if your hooking the generator up to your home you'll want to use a 3 pole transfer switch that will transfer the neutral wire. Interesting
A few questions. You used the separate 50amp output on each of them, how can we tell they were functioning in parallel at all? Why did the watchdog show 14.5KW when it only had the RV on it? Shouldn’t that load remained constant when you started the heater?
I follow a lot of your videos. I have switched my preference to this Genmax over the Duromax, only becuse it has the 50 amp outlet. If Duromax 9000 made one with 50 amp outlet I would stick with themsince they automatically choose 240/120. Maybe Duromax will upgrade soon with a 50 amp outlet. I just hate having to convert the bond to floating...I assume that would void the warranty? My only hope is that Generlink will make a transfer switch with a 50 amp outlet sometime soon.
Thank you for your videos Gavin. I would like to see you run your house on these generators in parallel since this is what I want to do. My house is natural gas, specifically the dryer, central heating, the water heater and kitchen stove and oven are all natural gas. I have a 4 ton Trane manufactured in 2017 with an LRA of 124 and an RLA of 18.5 and a micro air soft start on the way. Do you think I would be able to run my house on 1 of these 9000 watt generators or would I need to purchase 2 and run them in parallel like you just did? I also have a pool but am not sure how many watts it pulls yet. Do you know if there is a natural gas conversion kit for these generators? I believe that the volume of natural gas I have for the pool heater may be enough to run these generators. This would be a great alternative to the $13,000 to $15,000 cost of a generic home back up system. Thanks again for the info.
I should be running that test soon so we’ll get that answer, plus you having all the natural gas appliances don’t think you’ll have any problem especially with the soft start
hey I just bought the 9000ie and the exhaust is all the way at the bottom, but on genmax website it shows its on top and I need it on top, and all the reviews for the 9000ied show it on top but nobody shows the back exhaust on the 9000ie.
Nice test. Maybe try to push one generator to 6500 or so and let it run for a hour or so with a heavy load. This will put the inverter module through its paces. I think this would be real world for whole house backup power needs. The motor is making the power on LP gas to meet the 7600 max. That is good to know. What elevation are you at? I am 250’ above sea level so engine power won’t suffer from altitude. Hurricanes are the reason for backup power for me. They happen in the late summer months when it is hot out, 90+ deg. Putting a 6000-6500w load in the summer heat will show what it is capable of. Thanks for the very good videos.
Before seeing this video I was leaning towards getting the predator 9500 after watching Jason Wallace's videos. But after seeing this video, I think I prefer the Genmax. Any thoughts?
Ok so I understand the 100+ amps that was recorded was accomplished by paralleling the 2 generators and the 100+ amps was passed through the 50 amp outlet on the primary generator? Is a surge protector link like the one used required or are there other types. Very cool and could be what looking for if I can have the 100 amps available over the course of 24 hours per week.
Do the Genmax 9,000 generator has a electric start or a remote start ? And what types of oil it use ? Is it better to use ethanol free gas for this generator ? Can I put a electric stove that has a 220 line ?
Hey Gavin, I love the channel and find it very informative. I am a little confused by this video though and hope you can help me understand. It seems as thought the generators aren't putting out the full rated capacity. On Gasoline they are rated at 9000 watts starting and 7600 running, and propane it is rated 8550 watts starting and 7200 running. When you did the first test with the heater on propane it ran fine at 7200 watts which is what I expected since the running watts on propane is 7200, then you added the light and it went to 7600 and it tripped. That makes sense on propane. Then you did the test on gasoline and once you added the light it went to 7600 again but it tripped after a few seconds. That was unexpected since it is rated for 7600 on gas. Then when you paralleled them together both were running on gasoline and you only got 14,397 watts before they tripped, I would have expected 15,200 watts. What am I missing?
Hey Darryl Even though it’s rated for 15,200 W running when paralleled you can only really pull 12,500W on a 50 amp Inlet box With that said, when you’re parallel you do lose some power in line loss. That is why I do this test so we can get real world numbers anyways I appreciate your question I hope this helps and thanks for watching
7600W rated on gasoline is a marketing number and also an ideal max rating. A load could be 7601W and if it goes for more than 5 seconds, it will trip out the inverter into overload protection. I think it's fair to say that even a "7.5kW" load reading should basically be considered 100% rated capacity, especially since a 7.5kW reading on the display could be as high as 7499W accounting for rounding error. This is one of the downsides with inverter generators; they are less tolerant of overloads than alternator generators.
I found your videos when researching the duramax 9000ih. Best most thorough reviews of any product I have read or watched. If your requirement was 12000 watts would it be best for a fuel consumption standpoint to have two running parallel or one 12000 watt generator?
The problem is, I haven’t found a generator that you can buy with 12,000 W that has a true eco-mode so you could save some fuel. I’m pretty sure you looked at the Westinghouse 12,000 W dual fuel. It all depends on if you have the space to store two 9000w generators
Check your digitial display for errors in showing the "total run time hours". Genmax will send you a replacement display which is very easy to swap out.
I have these two and plan to use them together in parallel, with two inlets to our house, this is possible because our house happens to split the power in right away into a “lower” and “upper” panel. I had planned to use the 50A AND 30A outlets at once, as I understand only one generator outlets can be used when in parallel correct? But I noticed you split the 50A outlet in this test, can you elaborate a little more on that? In theory you should only have been able to pull 12kW like that, right? Or am I missing something? Bottomline my two questions are: A) Can I use both the 30A and 50A at once when paralleled to get around the 14kw as you showed here? B) Could I use the two 50A outlets from the two generators at once, I think no?
Good video. I feel like they didn’t live up to the 7600 rating on gasoline. Overload light was on and tripped it pretty quick. Shouldn’t they be able to run at the stated rating of 7600?
I agree. These are not 9kw gens they are barely 7.5 kw capable. That said, they are pretty nice gensets. The fact that they are made in china are a problem for me however. It remains to be seen now reliable they are as well.
Sad to say my Genmax 9000 IEDC wont do an electric start or pull start at 10 hours in the clock. GENMAX US service is telling me I need to pay for the repair due to improper maintenance. Maintenance was performed per manual including removing gas and draining the carb.
Hi I'm a new subscriber and you seem to know a lot about Generators I've had a Honda 6,500 for the last 12 years I put it through allot in the last 7 years I own a Food trailer So we're constantly using it 5 to 6 days a week 12 to 14 hours a day and I know it's lost some power but it's lasted this long I really wanted the new version the 7000IU honda generator But living in California they no longer sell it Or ship it over here I would have to go out of state And from what I see they're all on back order so I would be lucky to get just wondering what Generator would you prefer if I can't get the Honda
I'm looking to upgrade my whole home setup to an inverter style with propane as an alternative fuel. I like the idea that you can mix and match the 7250 and 9000 in parallel. My big question is, can you have the parallel cable plugged into both and just run one generator? Main reason is to leverage the smaller, quieter and more efficient generator at night where I just need 300-600 watts (always on load and TV's) with the A/C on for an hour or so once or twice (2500-2700watts). Then fire up the bigger second generator when I know i'll need more demand (cooking, washer/dryer, more lights, etc). A follow up to that, if the 7250 is the primary with the 50amp plug, can it be "on" but not running, and receive power from the 9000? Running the bigger generator with more head room durning the day and adding the little one for capacity. Another reason for this question is to leverage the remote start and not training family members on how to re-cable things if I'm not around. Having the ability to mix and match which one is running, I could add some automation. Watching a near real time monitory like Sense, I could add automations that would trigger the second generator based on average home usage or something. :)
Yes, you can have the parallel cable plugged into both generators and run one at a time then you can remote start from the inside the second generator they will phase together and work just fine
@@GeneratorReviews Surprisingly, there isn't much google-able info out there on that specific question. Thank you for confirming! Couple more questions: 1. If both generators are on "stand by" (waiting for a remote start) are they effectively running from their battery? If so, I should get a battery tender connected for the long term, correct? 2. Automatic Transfer switch for 200amp home service. What is out there that will work with the GM7250iEDC?
I think the 50a plug is useable without being paralleled to the second generator but will be limited to 30a (the output of 1 generator). Is that accurate?
I don't quite get this. Is paralleling in this case combining the power? Or just synching the phases? I would expect that you'd plug a 50amp cord from each generator into a device, then there would be one output (maybe a 60 amp plug).
It’s combining the power, and since the genmax has a 50amp plug you don’t need a parallel kit just the parallel cables. Now instead of 7600W you can now power 12,500W
Great video. Can you parallel one with the EU7000IS and see if they work together? Don't have to make a video, I just want to know if I can buy one to parallel with my Honda in case I need to start my 4 ton HVAC system during an outage.
Gavin, I was really thinking about the Genmax gm9000ied because all of the features. So, I did a query online to find the best price and came up with horrible quality reviews. What’s your take on this.
With most new product There’s always gonna be a few issues in the beginning. Unfortunately instead of people reaching out and trying to solve the problem they will go on the Internet and write crappy reviews
1 Hi Gavin. Check out this post I started about using the xp9000iH with there xp9000iH-pk parallel box with a neutral connection. Just curious if you have ever hooked this up on the xp9000iH.
Do you feel than running 2 GENMAX 7500 in parallel can easily run a whole house including AC? Is it better in your opinion to have (2) 7500 vs (1) Duramax 16000W inverter gen. If drama goes down, you have nothing backing it up...thank you
Three completely different generators in my opinion, the two 7250 it’s going to sound differently than two 9000 or 10,000 paralleled. The V-twin engine on the Duromax will handle the power a lot better but I do understand redundancy it’s just not what I’m thinking about when my generator is running, properly maintaining the engine and you’ll be fine.
Nice video. Thanks. Wondering: I noticed the preditor and the genmax both have 3 wire parrilell cable. Can you parrilell the preditor and the genmax? I know you could not with the Duro max. Thanks
Doesn’t seem to be available in California. Amazon shows it but says unavailable to your address. Several other distributors seem to omit CA. . I’m thinking not CARB approved, and frankly I don’t blame them for not going through the hoops and expense.
@@GeneratorReviews You can still get the Predator and DuroMax but in 2028 gas generators will be banned so people will just visit the next state if they want one.
Great Video. I was just curious. The Duromax XP9000iH generators use only 3 wires per generator ( No Dedicated Neutral) to the Xp900iH-PK Parallel Box. After checking the schematic of the generators it looks like the ground and the neutral are wired together. I guess this is Ok ? Also, This is from the Duramax Xp900iH-PK site. Just saw this on there site also. Answer. The XP9000iH will have a bonded neutral and ground wire; and if your hooking the generator up to your home you'll want to use a 3 pole transfer switch that will transfer the neutral wire. Interesting
Yeah, -the ground and neutral share the same wire in the parallel kit for the Duromax.- If you want to DIY unbond the neutral on the Duromaxes (it's easy), then you have to account for needing to add a neutral wire to the parallel kit, -and somehow also unbond the neutral in the factory parallel kit plug.- Maybe you'd be better off just making a DIY custom parallel kit in that case. [Edit: I have since learned that the Duromax kit is 240V only, and there is no neutral whatsoever.]
@@Rk-mt4ll no, no problem. the Duromax parallel design is the only one that is done completely right as is. It only gets complicated if you start modifying the generators by removing the neutral bond. Then you need to be aware that the parallel kit isn't going to be okay without modification also. [Edit, as long as you're aware that the Duromax kit is 240V only, not 240/120V.]
Where can you buy this generator and how much is it? Also what about the warranty, if something happens to it can you return it like the predator and just get a new one or do you get a lot of hassle behind it
@@GeneratorReviews Thanks for responding. But why does it do that? If the voltage is consistently 240V, why periodically show 120V? Maybe it's showing the voltage of each leg periodically?
Hey Gavin, I just purchased two! Any idea where I can purchase a parallel cable? Or ideas to make one myself. Also, do you recommend hooking both units to one large propane tank? Thank you Karl
@@GeneratorReviews Thank you again for all of your reviews and replies. I have another question. The genmax gm9000ied is a Bonded Neutral if I’m not mistaken. If I’m hooking up this generator to my house via inlet and use of an interlock kit, do I have to break the bond in the generator? Or, if I use a transfer switch, does the same thing have to happen? I would still like to use my generator for other projects, not just hooking up to the house. Thank you again. Just slightly confused.
Have you seen a problem with the fuel selector spinning all the way around? I just ran mine for the first hour but when I tried to start up the second time it won't run.
looking for a portable generator(s) that will give start up power of at least 15,000kw. Is there a generator that you recommend that can be paralleled - they need to be the super quiet type
I ordered the Genmax parallel kit. It came with all male connectors that will not plug into my generators because they too are all male. I cannot locate any adapters anywhere. The temperature here hit 114 Fahrenheit. I need both generators to run two roof air conditioners. As soon as possible. Do you think a person can modify or change the males out using 10 gauge automotive female bullet plugs? The Genmax wires are not heavy gauge, but they look strange in that the male connectors look “plastic-like” . Red colored conductor plugs. I like your content A TON. Sincerely, Steve in the Desert.
Thank you for “seeing” my dilemma. It is a conundrum. I have two 3500 dual fuel generators. The parallel ports are MALE. Are the parallel ports on your gensets also male? I hoped to parallel the 3500’s and plug my 50 amp cord into the Genmax parallel kit. The manufacturer says they are out of the adapters. I would make the them IF someone on this planet could send me the pieces. Most images of parallel harnesses do not reveal if male or female plugs reside inside the protective sheath. The male ports on the generator seem to be proprietary. What in the world does the female end of a harness look like? Thanks again for all your shows. Sincerely, Stever
Garvin I really didn't see the purpose of this video because you paralleled two genmax together but when you hit 14,200 it was overloaded and triggered off when to me it should of stayed running since each genmax can sustain 7200 watts continuously together that would be 14,400 continuous watts
Where did you get that parallel kit. I've checked GenMax's website and all they have is this RV box parallel kit. I just want to get the same wires you have.
@Gavin’s Garage so you don't put the ground on the generators you would have to ground them on the house I understand making both gens floating but with the parallel key do you still put the ground on each side of the generator
I'm curious how they are dismissing the problem of having the neutral and ground bonded on both generators. I don't think it's a major safety issue, but it is technically against the rules.
@@GeneratorReviews Is it sanctioned by Genmax? I know it's simple and I plan to do it myself, but I'm curious if they are recommending removing the connection or if that's just going to be a youtube comment thing. BTW I returned a Duromax and bought a Genmax based on your videos. Thanks Gavin
This is similar to a question I have: I own the Gm9000 dual fuel and want to hoook up to home via a transfer switch. The manual states not to remove bonded neutral. But here I am reading you should remove bonded neutral even if using 50A outlet to transfer switch. Color me confused
This unit is one of my most recommended and it’s actually the one I kept for myself. I love the fact that it has an oil filter/screen it’s forced oil lube and force air cooled. It has a 50 amp plug so you don’t need a parallel kit power monitor co monitor with rear exhaust. It’s actually 7 db quieter than the other ones with same power
Hi Gavin Could you do me a big favor. According to a lot of folks the DuroMax XP9000iH and the XP9000iH-pk cant output 120v on 2 legs from the 50amp plug since the neutral is missing. An example of a generator thats wired correctly is the Honda eu7000is, (SOME of the predator 9500s even some of these are missing the neutral on the front panel.) and the new Genmax. The way the DuroMax is wired its only be able to safely produce 240v, not 120/240. Could you check out this post I started about using the xp9000iH with there xp9000iH-pk parallel box with no neutral connection. Seems odd DuroMax would do this. Site is power equipment forum and the post is Labeled Duromax XP9000iH-pk parallel box question Thanks A Bunch Robert
Since you combine both generators you have a total amperage of 63.3 A the generator already has a 50 amp plug so you’re just crossing over 2 live, neutral and ground it’s four wires
How to explain all the bad reviews and people complaining about poor customer service? I really want to buy this one, but I don't want to make a $2,400 mistake.
I have a Genmax with only 20 hrs on it and does not make any power and can not get the part i need to fix it so i have a boat anker now . Genmax are Junk
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I bought one of these Genmax GM9000iED generator today after watching your video, Thanks!!
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Well ! That’s the power of inverter generators these days . Great video and with them connected in parallel to get industrial power out of them to run the big loads . Awesome !😊
What’s up Cedric,
Yes they got some serious power
Just ordered one! I was looking at the predator but i really like the remote start and dual fuel. Thanks for making these videos they are very helpful.
Gavin - I really like this video great info. Using the Watchdog was interesting and a great new addition to your videos. I've been thinking of using one on my own setup. I just need to sell my loud open frame gen for a inverter. These videos provide lots of value to the RV community, campers, homesteaders, rural living, and power outage survival.
Thanks Bill,
Thanks for watching 👍🏾
Interesting and entertaining video as usual. Someone else commented about the Hughes Watchdog. I think a lot of us would like to see an in depth video on that. I watched a couple of YT videos by others but I like your style better. 😉
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Well I was squarely in the Duromax camp until I saw this video. The ied has me sold. Thank you for putting the information out here like this.
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Great review as usual Gavin! These inverters seem like the best design in their class so far
Yessir!!! They really took the time to engineer this one right. They watched all the shortfalls of the other designs and fixed it.
Answer: Yes, the 50 amp receptacle and the 30 amp receptacle will need to be used at the same time to take full advantage of the power output available. Please note that any 50 amp receptacle will be limited to 12,000 watts at its peak capacity.
This is the video I've been waiting for!
I can't remember where, but I heard somewhere that the reduced power rating on propane was due to the tank getting cold and pressure dropping, so theoretically, if you had a big enough tank, regulator, propane hose, and or a tank heater, you could get the same power out of a generator as you can on gas.
I'd imagine you have to run on propane for some amount of time before you can't make full power anymore.
Anyway, thanks for the video! This answered most of the questions I had.
Glad you liked it 👍🏾
I'm not sure about that. I think it's the energy density of the fuel. The only evidence I have to back that up is that the RPMs of the generator rev up when it's on propane for the same load. You can hear it in this video and Gavin mentioned it in a previous video, in the context of how the generator will run quieter on gas because it can run the same load at a lower RPM. Does my reasoning make sense?
@@kettch42 The change in RPM comes down primarily to the differing stoichiometric combustion ratios between propane and gas, (Propane (LP) (By mass 15.5 : 1) (By volume 23.9 : 1) (Percent fuel by mass 6.45%) vs Gasoline (By mass 14.7 : 1) (Percent fuel by mass 6.8%)), the energy density for propane is actually slightly higher than gasoline by weight (12.9 kWh/kg vs 12.7 kWh/kg respectively).
By volume it does differ a little bit (7.5 kWh/l for propane and 8.76 kWh/l for gas), but that can all be addressed with the aforementioned properly sized hoses, regulators, and carburetors, etc.
So, for a given situation a generator will have to run a little bit faster on propane just to maintain a clean burn but on an inverter generator it technically doesn't matter what speed the generator runs at as long as there's enough energy for the load at that RPM, and the engine can physically run at that speed, (the whole reason inverter generators were invented was to be able to vary the RPM of the engine).
So, I guess to say what I originally said more concisely for an inverter generator it should not matter as long as the engine can go a few 100 RPM above (this number will vary with displacement) what it does on gas (around 3600 RPM), however, most 3600 RPM are rated for 3800 RPM. Technically, it's a bigger deal for traditional generators it's running a higher RPM your power quality will suffer if you can't maintain the same engine speed, so, I guess without some clever tricks you actually would have to cut your rated output when converting those to propane.
That's probably why dual fuel is more popular on inverter generators anyway.
@@xsterawesome Thanks for all that insight. My thought is that since we are talking about maximum power, there is a maximum RPM that the engine/generator can do (not sure what the limiting factor is though), so if both gas and propane have the same max RPM, gas will always produce more power.
@@kettch42 Yes.
I would love to see a review on the 50 amp surge protector used in this video.
I will do it for you 👍🏾
Thanks for watching Robert
Nice one Gavin. Have a great Memorial day weekend.
Thanks buddy
I wanted to make sure I mentioned this, The way Duramax has this wired with no neutral and only using the ground wire Will still give you 120 and 240v but its not being implemented correctly, they're sending all of the current back down the ground wire. For this to be safe and correct there really needs to be a neutral. Period. The Honda eu7000is parallel kit is doing this the correct way.
Very interesting. Its cool how you can parallel them together. I assume that they automatically synchronize phases? You could run an average size house on that. Great video!
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Great video G'
Those are some big boy generator's. I'll take the dual fuel.
Question fro Duramax site: So if I wanted to buy two generators and the parallel kit and tie them into my breaker panel, How can I get the maximum combined power? Would I be limited to 50A, and then have the spare 30A I would have to run extension cords?
Thank you. Answered all my questions.
That was a great video right on Gavin. I liked it a lot.👍👍
You have important information on this video. I wish the camera work wasn't handheld and moving so much.
Sorry buddy I upgraded my camera and things are much better
Question from the Duramax Site about the Bonded Neutral
Impressive generators and a great instruction, Gavin.
Thanks 🙏🏾
I was finally able to get you some info on the forum I had posted on. TH-cam won't let me send you the direct url of my post for some reason. So sorry
Can you still run the 50 Amp plug on the secondary generator while in parallel while your using the primary 50 Amp plug?
yes you can utilize both plugs
Great job on this video. Thank you!
Thanks 😊
As always great video!
Great Video!! Thank you much!!
Thanks for the good information!!!
What is the running time on that propane tank?
I believe you can get 18 - 20hrs at 25% with a 40 lbs tank
OK Gavin GREAT Videos first of all!!!!! I want to buy this generator!!!!
My Question is this...
What all needs to be done to run these of my home Natural Gas supply ???
Hey Adam
You would have to find a natural gas tri fuel kit for this model and that’s it
@@GeneratorReviews I'm seeing them for smaller generators. Like 2000W and less but not for these larger ones.
Myself to truly consider this for a home backup generator id need to run it of NG.
I'm waiting for a natural gas kit too.
Great video! Going to pick up a watchdog today! Have you done a test trying to run a residential AC/heat pump off one of these? I have a 2021, 3 Ton, Ruud, 17Seer, three-stage, inverter heat pump and I'm hoping I can run it and the furnace blower off this machine. Your thoughts?
Answer. The XP9000iH will have a bonded neutral and ground wire; and if your hooking the generator up to your home you'll want to use a 3 pole transfer switch that will transfer the neutral wire. Interesting
Or you could just remove the bonded neutral
A few questions. You used the separate 50amp output on each of them, how can we tell they were functioning in parallel at all? Why did the watchdog show 14.5KW when it only had the RV on it? Shouldn’t that load remained constant when you started the heater?
I follow a lot of your videos. I have switched my preference to this Genmax over the Duromax, only becuse it has the 50 amp outlet. If Duromax 9000 made one with 50 amp outlet I would stick with themsince they automatically choose 240/120. Maybe Duromax will upgrade soon with a 50 amp outlet.
I just hate having to convert the bond to floating...I assume that would void the warranty?
My only hope is that Generlink will make a transfer switch with a 50 amp outlet sometime soon.
Nice job excellent video. Learned a lot
Thank you for your videos Gavin. I would like to see you run your house on these generators in parallel since this is what I want to do. My house is natural gas, specifically the dryer, central heating, the water heater and kitchen stove and oven are all natural gas. I have a 4 ton Trane manufactured in 2017 with an LRA of 124 and an RLA of 18.5 and a micro air soft start on the way. Do you think I would be able to run my house on 1 of these 9000 watt generators or would I need to purchase 2 and run them in parallel like you just did? I also have a pool but am not sure how many watts it pulls yet. Do you know if there is a natural gas conversion kit for these generators? I believe that the volume of natural gas I have for the pool heater may be enough to run these generators. This would be a great alternative to the $13,000 to $15,000 cost of a generic home back up system. Thanks again for the info.
I should be running that test soon so we’ll get that answer, plus you having all the natural gas appliances don’t think you’ll have any problem especially with the soft start
@@GeneratorReviews Thanks for the reply
hey I just bought the 9000ie and the exhaust is all the way at the bottom, but on genmax website it shows its on top and I need it on top, and all the reviews for the 9000ied show it on top but nobody shows the back exhaust on the 9000ie.
Nice test. Maybe try to push one generator to 6500 or so and let it run for a hour or so with a heavy load. This will put the inverter module through its paces. I think this would be real world for whole house backup power needs. The motor is making the power on LP gas to meet the 7600 max. That is good to know. What elevation are you at? I am 250’ above sea level so engine power won’t suffer from altitude. Hurricanes are the reason for backup power for me. They happen in the late summer months when it is hot out, 90+ deg. Putting a 6000-6500w load in the summer heat will show what it is capable of. Thanks for the very good videos.
I’m at 43’ above sea level
Thanks for watching I will do a longer load test on the generator
Before seeing this video I was leaning towards getting the predator 9500 after watching Jason Wallace's videos. But after seeing this video, I think I prefer the Genmax. Any thoughts?
GM9000 is dual fuel Comes with a 50 amp plug easier to parallel and have that an awesome display.
I bought the 3500w version genmax has amazing features
Nice informative tutorial….
Ok so I understand the 100+ amps that was recorded was accomplished by paralleling the 2 generators and the 100+ amps was passed through the 50 amp outlet on the primary generator? Is a surge protector link like the one used required or are there other types. Very cool and could be what looking for if I can have the 100 amps available over the course of 24 hours per week.
At 120 V so that’s 50 amps per leg which is 50 amps at 240 V
So each leg is handling 50 A which is perfectly normal at 120 V
you are so awesome ...Thank you!!!!!
Thanks 🙏🏾
Do the Genmax 9,000 generator has a electric start or a remote start ? And what types of oil it use ? Is it better to use ethanol free gas for this generator ? Can I put a electric stove that has a 220 line ?
Hey Gavin, I love the channel and find it very informative. I am a little confused by this video though and hope you can help me understand. It seems as thought the generators aren't putting out the full rated capacity. On Gasoline they are rated at 9000 watts starting and 7600 running, and propane it is rated 8550 watts starting and 7200 running. When you did the first test with the heater on propane it ran fine at 7200 watts which is what I expected since the running watts on propane is 7200, then you added the light and it went to 7600 and it tripped. That makes sense on propane.
Then you did the test on gasoline and once you added the light it went to 7600 again but it tripped after a few seconds. That was unexpected since it is rated for 7600 on gas. Then when you paralleled them together both were running on gasoline and you only got 14,397 watts before they tripped, I would have expected 15,200 watts. What am I missing?
Hey Darryl
Even though it’s rated for 15,200 W running when paralleled you can only really pull 12,500W on a 50 amp Inlet box
With that said, when you’re parallel you do lose some power in line loss. That is why I do this test so we can get real world numbers anyways I appreciate your question I hope this helps and thanks for watching
7600W rated on gasoline is a marketing number and also an ideal max rating. A load could be 7601W and if it goes for more than 5 seconds, it will trip out the inverter into overload protection. I think it's fair to say that even a "7.5kW" load reading should basically be considered 100% rated capacity, especially since a 7.5kW reading on the display could be as high as 7499W accounting for rounding error.
This is one of the downsides with inverter generators; they are less tolerant of overloads than alternator generators.
I found your videos when researching the duramax 9000ih. Best most thorough reviews of any product I have read or watched. If your requirement was 12000 watts would it be best for a fuel consumption standpoint to have two running parallel or one 12000 watt generator?
The problem is, I haven’t found a generator that you can buy with 12,000 W that has a true eco-mode so you could save some fuel. I’m pretty sure you looked at the Westinghouse 12,000 W dual fuel. It all depends on if you have the space to store two 9000w generators
Check your digitial display for errors in showing the "total run time hours". Genmax will send you a replacement display which is very easy to swap out.
Yes I will be e free replacing it soon.
Fantastic where to purchase?
I just uploaded all the links to the description in the video
Thanks for watching
I have these two and plan to use them together in parallel, with two inlets to our house, this is possible because our house happens to split the power in right away into a “lower” and “upper” panel.
I had planned to use the 50A AND 30A outlets at once, as I understand only one generator outlets can be used when in parallel correct? But I noticed you split the 50A outlet in this test, can you elaborate a little more on that? In theory you should only have been able to pull 12kW like that, right? Or am I missing something?
Bottomline my two questions are: A) Can I use both the 30A and 50A at once when paralleled to get around the 14kw as you showed here? B) Could I use the two 50A outlets from the two generators at once, I think no?
Good video. I feel like they didn’t live up to the 7600 rating on gasoline. Overload light was on and tripped it pretty quick. Shouldn’t they be able to run at the stated rating of 7600?
Thanks for watching Robert
I agree. These are not 9kw gens they are barely 7.5 kw capable. That said, they are pretty nice gensets. The fact that they are made in china are a problem for me however. It remains to be seen now reliable they are as well.
@@martyb3783 I agree
@@martyb3783 9kw is just for a moment surge
Sad to say my Genmax 9000 IEDC wont do an electric start or pull start at 10 hours in the clock. GENMAX US service is telling me I need to pay for the repair due to improper maintenance. Maintenance was performed per manual including removing gas and draining the carb.
What was the main problem? Did you ever check it out?
Hi I'm a new subscriber and you seem to know a lot about Generators I've had a Honda 6,500 for the last 12 years I put it through allot in the last 7 years I own a Food trailer So we're constantly using it 5 to 6 days a week 12 to 14 hours a day and I know it's lost some power but it's lasted this long I really wanted the new version the 7000IU honda generator But living in California they no longer sell it Or ship it over here I would have to go out of state And from what I see they're all on back order so I would be lucky to get just wondering what Generator would you prefer if I can't get the Honda
I am going to do a comparison and the Honda 7000 he’s one of them you should be able to see which one I like in that video
Thanks for the subscribe 👌🏾
I'm looking to upgrade my whole home setup to an inverter style with propane as an alternative fuel. I like the idea that you can mix and match the 7250 and 9000 in parallel.
My big question is, can you have the parallel cable plugged into both and just run one generator?
Main reason is to leverage the smaller, quieter and more efficient generator at night where I just need 300-600 watts (always on load and TV's) with the A/C on for an hour or so once or twice (2500-2700watts). Then fire up the bigger second generator when I know i'll need more demand (cooking, washer/dryer, more lights, etc).
A follow up to that, if the 7250 is the primary with the 50amp plug, can it be "on" but not running, and receive power from the 9000? Running the bigger generator with more head room durning the day and adding the little one for capacity.
Another reason for this question is to leverage the remote start and not training family members on how to re-cable things if I'm not around.
Having the ability to mix and match which one is running, I could add some automation. Watching a near real time monitory like Sense, I could add automations that would trigger the second generator based on average home usage or something. :)
Yes, you can have the parallel cable plugged into both generators and run one at a time then you can remote start from the inside the second generator they will phase together and work just fine
@@GeneratorReviews Surprisingly, there isn't much google-able info out there on that specific question. Thank you for confirming!
Couple more questions:
1. If both generators are on "stand by" (waiting for a remote start) are they effectively running from their battery? If so, I should get a battery tender connected for the long term, correct?
2. Automatic Transfer switch for 200amp home service. What is out there that will work with the GM7250iEDC?
I think the 50a plug is useable without being paralleled to the second generator but will be limited to 30a (the output of 1 generator). Is that accurate?
Yessir that is correct 👍🏾
Question. How do you determine how many amps the generator is providing when you bring it down tow house hold power. 110v? Thank you!
I don’t quite understand the question but if you divide your watts by 120 V that will give you amps
Which generator is your favorite? and which inverter generator is the quietest?
That’s a hard one. I guess it depends on what am doing with it home backup or RVing
@@GeneratorReviews Home backup would be?
How would i hook up this generator to my 120v 30a three prong RV plug?
I don't quite get this. Is paralleling in this case combining the power? Or just synching the phases? I would expect that you'd plug a 50amp cord from each generator into a device, then there would be one output (maybe a 60 amp plug).
It’s combining the power, and since the genmax has a 50amp plug you don’t need a parallel kit just the parallel cables. Now instead of 7600W you can now power 12,500W
Great video. Can you parallel one with the EU7000IS and see if they work together? Don't have to make a video, I just want to know if I can buy one to parallel with my Honda in case I need to start my 4 ton HVAC system during an outage.
Ohh okay I will do it for you buddy
Gavin, I was really thinking about the Genmax gm9000ied because all of the features. So, I did a query online to find the best price and came up with horrible quality reviews. What’s your take on this.
With most new product There’s always gonna be a few issues in the beginning. Unfortunately instead of people reaching out and trying to solve the problem they will go on the Internet and write crappy reviews
1 Hi Gavin. Check out this post I started about using the xp9000iH with there xp9000iH-pk parallel box with a neutral connection. Just curious if you have ever hooked this up on the xp9000iH.
Yes I will check it out
Do you feel than running 2 GENMAX 7500 in parallel can easily run a whole house including AC? Is it better in your opinion to have (2) 7500 vs (1) Duramax 16000W inverter gen. If drama goes down, you have nothing backing it up...thank you
Three completely different generators in my opinion, the two 7250 it’s going to sound differently than two 9000 or 10,000 paralleled.
The V-twin engine on the Duromax will handle the power a lot better but I do understand redundancy it’s just not what I’m thinking about when my generator is running, properly maintaining the engine and you’ll be fine.
Great video bro.. i want to know with one is best to run a split ac unit .. gen max or dura max.. 9000.
Genmax
Nice video. Thanks. Wondering: I noticed the preditor and the genmax both have 3 wire parrilell cable. Can you parrilell the preditor and the genmax? I know you could not with the Duro max. Thanks
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Yes I’ve done it check it out.
@@GeneratorReviews kool
Doesn’t seem to be available in California. Amazon shows it but says unavailable to your address. Several other distributors seem to omit CA. . I’m thinking not CARB approved, and frankly I don’t blame them for not going through the hoops and expense.
I don’t think you can buy any gas generator in California
@@GeneratorReviews
You can still get the Predator and DuroMax but in 2028 gas generators will be banned so people will just visit the next state if they want one.
@@SkypowerwithKarl Thanks for letting me know 👍🏾
Does the dual fuel drain the carb like the gas only model?
Yes it does
Great Video. I was just curious. The Duromax XP9000iH generators use only 3 wires per generator ( No Dedicated Neutral) to the Xp900iH-PK Parallel Box. After checking the schematic of the generators it looks like the ground and the neutral are wired together. I guess this is Ok ? Also, This is from the Duramax Xp900iH-PK site.
Just saw this on there site also.
Answer. The XP9000iH will have a bonded neutral and ground wire; and if your hooking the generator up to your home you'll want to use a 3 pole transfer switch that will transfer the neutral wire. Interesting
Yeah, -the ground and neutral share the same wire in the parallel kit for the Duromax.- If you want to DIY unbond the neutral on the Duromaxes (it's easy), then you have to account for needing to add a neutral wire to the parallel kit, -and somehow also unbond the neutral in the factory parallel kit plug.- Maybe you'd be better off just making a DIY custom parallel kit in that case.
[Edit: I have since learned that the Duromax kit is 240V only, and there is no neutral whatsoever.]
Hey RK
Thanks for sharing this with us
@@kettch42 Just curious is there a problem using Duromaxs parallel box as is.
@@Rk-mt4ll no, no problem. the Duromax parallel design is the only one that is done completely right as is. It only gets complicated if you start modifying the generators by removing the neutral bond. Then you need to be aware that the parallel kit isn't going to be okay without modification also. [Edit, as long as you're aware that the Duromax kit is 240V only, not 240/120V.]
@@kettch42 Thanks
Where can you buy this generator and how much is it? Also what about the warranty, if something happens to it can you return it like the predator and just get a new one or do you get a lot of hassle behind it
www.gavins-garage.com/product/genmax-gm10500ietc-inverter-generator-sale/
4:05 - Why did the voltage drop from 238 to 119? The watts didn't change. Is that an error?
It switches the display back and forth between 120v and the 240v
@@GeneratorReviews
Thanks for responding. But why does it do that? If the voltage is consistently 240V, why periodically show 120V? Maybe it's showing the voltage of each leg periodically?
Great video. Can you tell me where the serial number is located on these units?
Top right of gas tank
Hey Gavin,
I just purchased two! Any idea where I can purchase a parallel cable? Or ideas to make one myself. Also, do you recommend hooking both units to one large propane tank?
Thank you
Karl
NICE!! The manufacturer should have the parallel cable on Amazon soon for purchasing.
@@GeneratorReviews
Thank you again for all of your reviews and replies. I have another question. The genmax gm9000ied is a Bonded Neutral if I’m not mistaken. If I’m hooking up this generator to my house via inlet and use of an interlock kit, do I have to break the bond in the generator?
Or, if I use a transfer switch, does the same thing have to happen?
I would still like to use my generator for other projects, not just hooking up to the house.
Thank you again.
Just slightly confused.
Is it odd that shortly after starting the heater (@4:05), the volts dropped from 240 to 120 on the display?
The display changes from 120v to 240v every 10 seconds
Hi I just wound how long for running time hours use gas about 19 hours than more?
At 25% you should get anywhere from 15 to 18 hours on a tank of gas which is 6.9 gallons
Have you seen a problem with the fuel selector spinning all the way around? I just ran mine for the first hour but when I tried to start up the second time it won't run.
The plastic selector switch has to be replaced. I already informed Genmax about this issue. Contact them they will help you out
@@GeneratorReviews Great! Thanks.
looking for a portable generator(s) that will give start up power of at least 15,000kw. Is there a generator that you recommend that can be paralleled - they need to be the super quiet type
This one is your best option and with dual fuel also. Genmax gm9000ied
How loud are they when their Parallel? Whats the difference between Gm9000iedc and gm9000ied?
The C is Carb Compliance for California
@@GeneratorReviews thank you.
I ordered the Genmax parallel kit. It came with all male connectors that will not plug into my generators because they too are all male. I cannot locate any adapters anywhere. The temperature here hit 114 Fahrenheit. I need both generators to run two roof air conditioners. As soon as possible.
Do you think a person can modify or change the males out using 10 gauge automotive female bullet plugs?
The Genmax wires are not heavy gauge, but they look strange in that the male connectors look “plastic-like” . Red colored conductor plugs.
I like your content A TON.
Sincerely,
Steve in the Desert.
Are you sure you ordered the correct parallel kit because it plugs right into it?
Thank you for “seeing” my dilemma. It is a conundrum. I have two 3500 dual fuel generators. The parallel ports are MALE. Are the parallel ports on your gensets also male?
I hoped to parallel the 3500’s and plug my 50 amp cord into the Genmax parallel kit.
The manufacturer says they are out of the adapters. I would make the them IF someone on this planet could send me the pieces.
Most images of parallel harnesses do not reveal if male or female plugs reside inside the protective sheath.
The male ports on the generator seem to be proprietary. What in the world does the female end of a harness look like?
Thanks again for all your shows.
Sincerely,
Stever
@@steverhehn8852 it’s the kitt that’s not compatible with the generator you need the adapters
I would like to know if the it could work on home washer and dryer
Yes this can work for your washer and dryer
so i should be able to run a 5200 watt 50 amp popcorn unit from the GM9000iED with propane??
Yessir no doubt about that
Love ur channel. You answer all my questions even before I know it should be asked. Please keep up the great work
What oil and brand do you recommend for this unit?
Any conventional 10w30 would work fine
Garvin I really didn't see the purpose of this video because you paralleled two genmax together but when you hit 14,200 it was overloaded and triggered off when to me it should of stayed running since each genmax can sustain 7200 watts continuously together that would be 14,400 continuous watts
Hey Johnny at least now we know that it cuts off at 14,200W that was the purpose
I’m just the messenger my friend
Where did you get that parallel kit. I've checked GenMax's website and all they have is this RV box parallel kit. I just want to get the same wires you have.
If you contact Genmax they will ship it to you
@@GeneratorReviews and they responded, awesome, thanks for the tip
When plugging these up to the house how do you do you ground wires
Yes you can ground them to your main ground rod
@Gavin’s Garage so you don't put the ground on the generators you would have to ground them on the house I understand making both gens floating but with the parallel key do you still put the ground on each side of the generator
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how many generators do you have?
I don’t hang on to them all just the good ones 😁
Looks like on the first test you had it on low idle mode?
All my test are going to be on low idle eco-mode
Im guessing that the Honda version of these inverters the patented expired? Anyone know the answer?
I don’t think Honda had a patent on inverter style generators or maybe 🤔
How long would one run the RV at full load??
At full load one tank would last around 5 hours
Could you parallel 2 genmax 7250 gens? And perform a load test
Yes I will do that 👍🏾
Thank you
Do you have a link for the parallel cable you used?
As soon as I get the link I will post it
Thanks for watching
@@GeneratorReviews where did you find the parallel cord?
@@robertlamb3053 It was sent to me by the manufacturer for testing, they should be selling them soon. I will post a link as soon as it’s available.
I'm curious how they are dismissing the problem of having the neutral and ground bonded on both generators. I don't think it's a major safety issue, but it is technically against the rules.
It’s a real simple change if you’re gonna hook it up to the house Removing the bonded connection is simply one wire
@@GeneratorReviews Is it sanctioned by Genmax? I know it's simple and I plan to do it myself, but I'm curious if they are recommending removing the connection or if that's just going to be a youtube comment thing. BTW I returned a Duromax and bought a Genmax based on your videos. Thanks Gavin
@@kettch42 The thing is it’s recommended to be bonded for off grid transfer switches and RV use.
@@GeneratorReviews Yeah I agree, but only in 1 of the 2 generators
This is similar to a question I have: I own the Gm9000 dual fuel and want to hoook up to home via a transfer switch. The manual states not to remove bonded neutral. But here I am reading you should remove bonded neutral even if using 50A outlet to transfer switch. Color me confused
No break in and full load it? Whats the point?
I always run the generators and do a first oil change off camera.
So you only get the whole 50 amps if parallel
Yes that’s correct and it helps with not needing a parallel kit
What’s your honest opinion on these. We appreciate your tests but your opinions matter the most lol
This unit is one of my most recommended and it’s actually the one I kept for myself. I love the fact that it has an oil filter/screen it’s forced oil lube and force air cooled.
It has a 50 amp plug so you don’t need a parallel kit power monitor co monitor with rear exhaust.
It’s actually 7 db quieter than the other ones with same power
I knew it!! I can tell by the enthusiasm in your voice when you talked about this unit. But was unsure. Thanks again for all you do.
@@Deighty181 😅👍🏾💯
These Gen are very powerful… I don’t think 🤔 the average home needs all that power! Modern appliances are very energy efficient.
Lmao.. no. If you have a large 5 ton ac and electric oven/hot water/dryer it will use it
You don't actually get the 76k output. It should run at that level. Not trip the breaker and shut down at that output.
Hi Gavin Could you do me a big favor.
According to a lot of folks the DuroMax XP9000iH and the XP9000iH-pk cant output 120v on 2 legs from the 50amp plug since the neutral is missing. An example of a generator thats wired correctly is the Honda eu7000is, (SOME of the predator 9500s even some of these are missing the neutral on the front panel.) and the new Genmax. The way the DuroMax is wired its only be able to safely produce 240v, not 120/240.
Could you check out this post I started about using the xp9000iH with there xp9000iH-pk parallel box with no neutral connection. Seems odd DuroMax would do this.
Site is power equipment forum and the post is Labeled Duromax XP9000iH-pk parallel box question
Thanks A Bunch
Robert
Ok Rob
I will check it out asap and let you know
@@GeneratorReviews Cool thanks
1 This is what Duromax Support just sent me about the parallel box. What? WOW
@@Rk-mt4ll what did they send?
@@GeneratorReviews Some comments that I send they won't get to you for some reason. I will try and figure it out
How much are these gen
Ones $2200 and the other is $2400 dual fuel
All the links are in the description
Thanks for watching Bobby
So scratch the 9000w advertising on any of these inverter models...once a 7700w level is reached ---> shutdown!
some of what I'm typing is not getting to you so sorry
Really! I wonder why
The parallel kit is just putting live and neutral together..
Since you combine both generators you have a total amperage of 63.3 A the generator already has a 50 amp plug so you’re just crossing over 2 live, neutral and ground it’s four wires
How to explain all the bad reviews and people complaining about poor customer service? I really want to buy this one, but I don't want to make a $2,400 mistake.
Most people make bad reviews just because they don’t know how to contact and speak to customer service to get help
@@GeneratorReviews
Please explain, do we need to know Hindi ??
I have a Genmax with only 20 hrs on it and does not make any power and can not get the part i need to fix it so i have a boat anker now . Genmax are Junk
What part are you looking for? You can get parts for it from genmaxpower.com.