Those of you who follow "Let's Talk Religion" have probably already seen this, as it is taken from a larger video on that channel called "What is Sufi Music?". You can find the full video here: th-cam.com/video/nMaPYccAzfw/w-d-xo.html
I remember that book "The Mysticism of Sound and Music" It was one of my beloved books. Thank you for this wonderful video. It brings back the way to be for me. I remember! Very good***
By the way , these days we are celebrating Mawlid ( prophet Mohamed PBUH' birthday ).Many types of Sufi music , songs & dancing are being shown every day
if you believe in the hadiths of muhammad ﷺ then why you ignore the numerous hadiths about prohibiting music, why cant you understand that music brings false emotions into your heart and can manipulate you to the smallest things
Music will be haram if it contains negative words, such as speaking harshly, slandering, making threats and others... such music is haram in Islam, if his words contain positive words such as inviting people to do good, repent, worship and others, it will be very permissible in Islam
the world is indeed vibration like inyat khat said. This verse int he quran sums it "He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes."
The concept of music and language is fascinating. I'm of the opinion that the field's of reality as it realtes to physics are a symphony made by the divine through their complex musucal language. But thats just my two cents. Thanks again for the great videos!
Great work. Thanks a lot. I've learned new aspects of the Sufi music and I wonder, why the orthodox Muslim community is strongly against any form of music. Like Rumi said to an orthodox Muslim, when he listened to music, the door to paradise close, when they listened it opens. It depends on the level of understanding and I think the Hal, the inner station of the development of the soul. 🙏
It's a mistake to view "orthodox Islam" as being in conflict with "Sufism", because Sufism has been part of Orthodox Islam for most of history. Rumi was an orthdodox Muslim in his time and place, for example. And secondly that "orthodox" is a fluid term, always claimed and defined by the person talking. Equally problematic is to say that this false "orthodoxy" condemns music. Many Muslim scholars have, and many haven't.
@@FilipHolm Yes thanks. I was a member of a Mevlevi tariqah for some time and learnt about Rumi as an orthodox Ulema before he met the dervish Shamseddin, the meeting of the bahr ayn. The Sufis are mostly attacked by the Wahabis. Unfortunately most Rumi lovers in the West don't know his biography and cultural background. The Mathnawi is seldom understood.
Hej Filip, din kanal är toppen. Jag och en kompis har lyssnat på den nu ett tag. Skulle vara trevligt att ha en dialogos kring vad du funnit osv. är själv också en följare av Vervakes arbete, och utvecklar språkteknologiska tjänster som angränsar till hans arbete. Keep it up! :)
I'm pretty amateur still, but when i play the people around me inevitably get quiet and listen to me pluck strings, usually simple, sad minor key three chord things. in my mind i am often pretty far above, almost like remembering something made long before i was born but never written. kinda love it not gonna lie
Dear Mr.Holm Can you introduce artists who work with this approach? I would also like to hear the full version of the song that was played for twenty seconds at the end of this video. if this is possible... 🙏
10:13 "...thus there is nothing but God according to Ibn ʿArabī, but God is also utterly transcendent and different from the world; the world is God and not God, Huwa la Huwa 'He/not He'. This profound metaphysical concept is also found in Gauḍīya Sārasvata Vaiṣṇavism as Achintya-bheda-abheda, the philosophy of inconceivable one-ness and difference, which asserts that God is simultaneously "one with and different from His creation".
Hey Filip, thanks a lot for your content both here and in the main channel! I wanted to ask you if you plan on making a video about "Fusus al-hikam" ? From my understanding it is an important book regarding the Twelver Shi'a - what the religion of Islam is all about. Thanks in advance!
Big fan Filip! Mostly of your main channel, but I was wondering: can you or anyone else in the comments recommend some reading for beginners regarding spiritual topics to ponder while listening to the Sufi inspired music played on this channel? I’m not a follower and am a recovering Roman Catholic who is on a journey seeking spirituality and meaning in this crazy world. Most importantly, is it wrong or insensitive to cherry pick things I like from Islam more generally and Sufi mysticism more specifically? I don’t plan on becoming Muslim. Catholicism put a bad taste in my mouth, no pun intended, I’m regards to organized Abrahamic religions
@@DefaultUser61 I know you asked Filip but I wanted to share a book that I am reading maybe you would be interested into reading it too. It's called "Secrets of Divine Love" by A. Helwa. Hope it helps !
Lovely! What the Sufi are saying are true because they have successfully reached back to Allah/God as alHujwiri said in his book Kasyful Ghummah: The Sufi are those whom successfully reached God, the mutasawwif are still followers and uphold the principles and practises of the Sufi......
The story of Imam Ali who cannot keep the secret inside is totally wrong. As far as a shia's perspective. Imam Ali who is exalted etc etc how can he not keep one secret while he is the chest of secrets. While living he said ask me any questions you want for that I know the ways of heaven more than the ways of earth.
@@tajzikria5307 tell me where in the qur"an and authentic Sunnah that says music is permitted? This Hadith should be sufficient to you if you've Iman (faith): Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.494B Narrated by Abu Amir that he heard the Prophet (saws) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.
@@Hornscope The prophet David loved music and actually sang! Educate yourself. Certain levels of music like classical is a direct experience of the divine. Even Al Ghazali in Alchemy of Happiness states that certain types of music is permissible. The entire cosmos is a reflection of the divine because of beauty and harmony. Music is also beauty and harmony.
Sufi music is more like hindustani music post conversion to Islam. The roots of its is non Islamic and lies in Hinduism. There is no mention of Sufi music in kuran and only the mysticism is added to Indian music that have no relation to Islam
That's simply not true. Sufi music in India is strongly connected to Hindustani music, absolutely. But Sufi music is a lot broader than that, too, and exists in different forms all around the world. And it is all connected to mystical teachings based on Qur'anic and Islamic principles as developed by Sufis in history. Hinduism has influenced certain aspects of that in India, since the traditions were in conversation there. But the same cannot be said for Sufism in other parts of the world.
@@FilipHolm other part of the world? Sufism came when Hindus of Pakistani/ Afghanistan’s and fire worshipping regions were converted. Music was there long before, just Islam took over and made it Sufism. I guess you are Muslim and see every Islamic thing as divine
@@shivamkhare9548 Sufism is a cross-cultural movement. The earliest Sufis were in places like Basra, Baghdad, Egypt, Khorasan and even Andalusia. And they basically had no contact with Indian intellectual traditions. It would be a huge oversimplification and misrepresentation of history to present the origins of Sufism in the way that you do. And no, I am not a Muslim.
@@shivamkhare9548 your wrong my friend, filip is right he is not just a musician but also a scholar of comparative religion and especially well as major in Sufism and he had also written papers on Sufism checkout on Academia don't try to behave like Pseudo intellectual on Sufism my friend when you have never read the books of Sufis like ibn Khaldun who has written on history of Sufism from authentic islamic sources and how all Sufis traced there silsila to prophet Muhammad saw not to any fire worshiper , or Brahmin or buddh
Oh no, brother! Music is haram. It is of the Djinn and the Shaytani. There is no possibility of 'harmony' with Allah because Allah is unique and only ONE and there is no partner unto him; which means NOTHING can harmonize with Allah (being ADDITIONAL and external to Allah and therefore being ASSOCIATED as a 'partner'). All musicians are using SEVERAL digits which is also haram - therefore they all should have those digits cut off until there is only ONE ONE ONE left on them to remind them that Allah is ONE and NOTHING can harmonize with Allah (because this is shirk and 'associating partners').
I suggest you watch my other videos, especially the full video on Sufi music, for more context and info about music and the role it has played in Islam.
Those of you who follow "Let's Talk Religion" have probably already seen this, as it is taken from a larger video on that channel called "What is Sufi Music?". You can find the full video here: th-cam.com/video/nMaPYccAzfw/w-d-xo.html
I remember that book "The Mysticism of Sound and Music" It was one of my beloved books. Thank you for this wonderful video. It brings back the way to be for me. I remember! Very good***
Who wrote that?
Hazrat Inayat Khan@@louisphilippeallas3241
This is the most beautiful video I've ever watched about spiritual Sufi music. Listening to you is always a delight, Filip !
So blessed to have found your channel sharing knowledge and music, knowledge of music and self. Thank you
Thank YOU!
6:38 he’s describing oscillating waves & vibrations. Rumi was ahead of his time. You can learn a lot just from observing the natural world
By the way , these days we are celebrating Mawlid ( prophet Mohamed PBUH' birthday ).Many types of Sufi music , songs & dancing are being shown every day
I love the Mawlid celebrations!
if you believe in the hadiths of muhammad ﷺ then why you ignore the numerous hadiths about prohibiting music, why cant you understand that music brings false emotions into your heart and can manipulate you to the smallest things
Music is haram. There is a famous hadith sahih that talks About the evil music and musical instruments. Search for abdurraheem green video on youtube.
Music will be haram if it contains negative words, such as speaking harshly, slandering, making threats and others... such music is haram in Islam, if his words contain positive words such as inviting people to do good, repent, worship and others, it will be very permissible in Islam
What an awesome gift Filip. Dropping them like YTs going outta fashion 😉
This is so beautiful! ♥️ Thank you Filip!
Wonderful. Going to start my day taking a piece of harmony from this episode 🥳
Thank you again so much. ❤
SubhanAllah 💚
love the Rumi poetry you added
It's a masterpiece
the world is indeed vibration like inyat khat said. This verse int he quran sums it
"He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes."
great video brother Filip Love from India ❤💜💛
Thank you 😊
Awesome content. Thank you
Beautiful Video - Deserves a million views truly
Great presentation. Love your videos! ❤❤
The concept of music and language is fascinating. I'm of the opinion that the field's of reality as it realtes to physics are a symphony made by the divine through their complex musucal language.
But thats just my two cents. Thanks again for the great videos!
I like that!
Thank you very much for this amazing video! ❤️🙏🏻
Great work. Thanks a lot. I've learned new aspects of the Sufi music and I wonder, why the orthodox Muslim community is strongly against any form of music. Like Rumi said to an orthodox Muslim, when he listened to music, the door to paradise close, when they listened it opens. It depends on the level of understanding and I think the Hal, the inner station of the development of the soul. 🙏
It's a mistake to view "orthodox Islam" as being in conflict with "Sufism", because Sufism has been part of Orthodox Islam for most of history. Rumi was an orthdodox Muslim in his time and place, for example. And secondly that "orthodox" is a fluid term, always claimed and defined by the person talking.
Equally problematic is to say that this false "orthodoxy" condemns music. Many Muslim scholars have, and many haven't.
@@FilipHolm Yes thanks. I was a member of a Mevlevi tariqah for some time and learnt about Rumi as an orthodox Ulema before he met the dervish Shamseddin, the meeting of the bahr ayn. The Sufis are mostly attacked by the Wahabis.
Unfortunately most Rumi lovers in the West don't know his biography and cultural background. The Mathnawi is seldom understood.
Could you do a video on instruments in sufiism
Fun idea!
Filip, I discovered you recently and I already feel like you are a good friend of mine + I'm a fan of yours :) Keep up the good work brother.
Thanks man!
Hallelujah 🙏 🌺Thank you God for the Universe and my Angels and everything and for saving me too 🙏 Thank you 🙏 🌺
I have Innayat Khan's book. I love it. Tanasub - Harmony.
It's amazing!
Very interesting !!!!!
Hej Filip, din kanal är toppen. Jag och en kompis har lyssnat på den nu ett tag. Skulle vara trevligt att ha en dialogos kring vad du funnit osv. är själv också en följare av Vervakes arbete, och utvecklar språkteknologiska tjänster som angränsar till hans arbete. Keep it up! :)
Hej! Tack så mycket och va kul att ni gillar det jag gör! Jobbar på ett samarbetsprojekt med bl.a. Vervaeke just nu faktiskt!
I'm pretty amateur still, but when i play the people around me inevitably get quiet and listen to me pluck strings, usually simple, sad minor key three chord things.
in my mind i am often pretty far above, almost like remembering something made long before i was born but never written.
kinda love it not gonna lie
Lovely!
Dear Mr.Holm Can you introduce artists who work with this approach? I would also like to hear the full version of the song that was played for twenty seconds at the end of this video. if this is possible... 🙏
Naad Yoga! I'd love to see an episode on that 🙂
I will probably cover that at some point too!
@@FilipHolm wonderful! I look forward to it (along with all the episodes 🙂 thank you for the wonderful work you do 🙏)
10:13 "...thus there is nothing but God according to Ibn ʿArabī, but God is also utterly transcendent and different from the world; the world is God and not God, Huwa la Huwa 'He/not He'.
This profound metaphysical concept is also found in Gauḍīya Sārasvata Vaiṣṇavism as Achintya-bheda-abheda, the philosophy of inconceivable one-ness and difference, which asserts that God is simultaneously "one with and different from His creation".
Your voice, masha Allah
Gem❣️❣️❣️
Hey Filip, thanks a lot for your content both here and in the main channel!
I wanted to ask you if you plan on making a video about "Fusus al-hikam" ? From my understanding it is an important book regarding the Twelver Shi'a - what the religion of Islam is all about.
Thanks in advance!
Yes! It is an important book for Sufism in general, both Sunni and Shia. I am planning on making a video about it on Let's Talk Religion.
@@FilipHolm Great! I'll look forward to that. As always, thank you for the quality of your content and greetings from Greece!
The link I just posted is about Hazhrat Inayat Khan and John Coltrane, you may not have seen. It's beautiful. 🙂
الله الله الله
Music is love and love is music is love if you know what I mean
People who believe in music are the happiest people I've ever seen
Nice video
Big fan Filip! Mostly of your main channel, but I was wondering: can you or anyone else in the comments recommend some reading for beginners regarding spiritual topics to ponder while listening to the Sufi inspired music played on this channel? I’m not a follower and am a recovering Roman Catholic who is on a journey seeking spirituality and meaning in this crazy world. Most importantly, is it wrong or insensitive to cherry pick things I like from Islam more generally and Sufi mysticism more specifically? I don’t plan on becoming Muslim. Catholicism put a bad taste in my mouth, no pun intended, I’m regards to organized Abrahamic religions
What kind of literature are you looking for?
@@FilipHolm Sufism for dummies? That was a bad joke. Something for beginners
@@DefaultUser61 So something kind of general about Sufism? Hmm... good question.
@@DefaultUser61 I know you asked Filip but I wanted to share a book that I am reading maybe you would be interested into reading it too. It's called "Secrets of Divine Love" by A. Helwa. Hope it helps !
In the beginning was the frequency and the frequency was with the creator and the frequency was the creator.
Lovely! What the Sufi are saying are true because they have successfully reached back to Allah/God as alHujwiri said in his book Kasyful Ghummah: The Sufi are those whom successfully reached God, the mutasawwif are still followers and uphold the principles and practises of the Sufi......
Amusing
Congra.!!!
The story of Imam Ali who cannot keep the secret inside is totally wrong. As far as a shia's perspective.
Imam Ali who is exalted etc etc how can he not keep one secret while he is the chest of secrets. While living he said ask me any questions you want for that I know the ways of heaven more than the ways of earth.
Does anyone else feel like Sufism could be better described as "Islamic Romanticism"?
No.
In Islam music is Evil practice
Wrong
@@tajzikria5307 tell me where in the qur"an and authentic Sunnah that says music is permitted?
This Hadith should be sufficient to you if you've Iman (faith):
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.494B Narrated by Abu Amir
that he heard the Prophet (saws) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.
@@Hornscope The prophet David loved music and actually sang! Educate yourself. Certain levels of music like classical is a direct experience of the divine. Even Al Ghazali in Alchemy of Happiness states that certain types of music is permissible. The entire cosmos is a reflection of the divine because of beauty and harmony. Music is also beauty and harmony.
@@tajzikria5307 do you believe follow prophet David and Ghazali or prophet Mohamed?
@@Hornscope With all due respect you need to educate yourself. I have studied the Quran and Islam for 30 years.
Sufi music is more like hindustani music post conversion to Islam. The roots of its is non Islamic and lies in Hinduism. There is no mention of Sufi music in kuran and only the mysticism is added to Indian music that have no relation to Islam
That's simply not true. Sufi music in India is strongly connected to Hindustani music, absolutely. But Sufi music is a lot broader than that, too, and exists in different forms all around the world. And it is all connected to mystical teachings based on Qur'anic and Islamic principles as developed by Sufis in history.
Hinduism has influenced certain aspects of that in India, since the traditions were in conversation there. But the same cannot be said for Sufism in other parts of the world.
@@FilipHolm other part of the world? Sufism came when Hindus of Pakistani/ Afghanistan’s and fire worshipping regions were converted. Music was there long before, just Islam took over and made it Sufism. I guess you are Muslim and see every Islamic thing as divine
@@shivamkhare9548 Sufism is a cross-cultural movement. The earliest Sufis were in places like Basra, Baghdad, Egypt, Khorasan and even Andalusia. And they basically had no contact with Indian intellectual traditions. It would be a huge oversimplification and misrepresentation of history to present the origins of Sufism in the way that you do.
And no, I am not a Muslim.
@@FilipHolm khorasan, Afghanistan is all eastern culture land, adobe of buddha and sister Hindu traditions. What are you saying?
@@shivamkhare9548 your wrong my friend, filip is right he is not just a musician but also a scholar of comparative religion and especially well as major in Sufism and he had also written papers on Sufism checkout on Academia don't try to behave like Pseudo intellectual on Sufism my friend when you have never read the books of Sufis like ibn Khaldun who has written on history of Sufism from authentic islamic sources and how all Sufis traced there silsila to prophet Muhammad saw not to any fire worshiper , or Brahmin or buddh
Oh no, brother! Music is haram. It is of the Djinn and the Shaytani. There is no possibility of 'harmony' with Allah because Allah is unique and only ONE and there is no partner unto him; which means NOTHING can harmonize with Allah (being ADDITIONAL and external to Allah and therefore being ASSOCIATED as a 'partner'). All musicians are using SEVERAL digits which is also haram - therefore they all should have those digits cut off until there is only ONE ONE ONE left on them to remind them that Allah is ONE and NOTHING can harmonize with Allah (because this is shirk and 'associating partners').
I suggest you watch my other videos, especially the full video on Sufi music, for more context and info about music and the role it has played in Islam.
Wrong!
So you're saying "nothing" can harmonize with Allah, you do realize all art is literally just doing nothing but in different forms
Leila law baagi leila