The Best NBA Player to NEVER win Each Award! (NBA Comparison Animation)
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- NBA Awards can be narrative driven, this causes some players to miss out on winning certain awards and accolades. So for this video Let’s find the best retired NBA player who didn’t win each award. This video is like the opposite of The GOAT of Every Award: NBA GOAT Comparison Animation: • The GOAT of Every Awar...
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This video shows brilliantly how much Duncan is underrated
Duncan was a beast. Easily the greatest power forward of all time!
Manute Bot is more underrated
So so so underrated! Top 5 best player of all time
for dpoy, but still. but to never win blocks or rebounding champ is simply a matter of numbers, so there has always been someone better in all those single years in those regards. with timmy it really is more about consistency on a high level compared to an extremely high peak (and then drop off).
but in terms of dpoy, agreed.
@@mentalmadness2192 yeah you can do an eye test for dpoy but a block champ a rebound all those champs its all based on numbers but jason kidd not winning a steal champ is just wow
Tim Duncan when the league has awarded you with: 3× NBA Finals MVP, 2× NBA Most Valuable Player, 15× NBA All-Star participations, 1x NBA All-Star Game MVP, 10× All-NBA First Team, 3× All-NBA Second Team, 2× All-NBA Third Team, 8× NBA All-Defensive First Team, 7× NBA All-Defensive Second Team, NBA Rookie of the Year, NBA All-Rookie First Team, 1x NBA Teammate of the Year. *Plus* 21 retired by San Antonio Spurs *Plus* 5x NBA championships won and it *still* feels that this player was egregiously underappreciated.
Elgin Baylor is the unluckiest player of all time. He never won a scoring title averaging 38. He didn't won a championship and when he left they where champions. Also he's criminally underrated
I would say it’s Anderson Varejao
He played for both teams but didn’t win the ring
He still get the ring but yeah it would be better if he played for them like actually
Correct me if I’m wrong but Varejao didn’t accept the ring
@@spaciousgrace3816 cause he never won one
Duncan not winning a single DPOY should be considered crime! But just like what's said in the video, nba awards are driven by narrative. Duncan doesn't really create any compelling stories since he's so quiet and he also plays for the spurs who is known for their "unselfish" playstyle so it's really gonna be hard for him to stand out. Regardless Duncan is one of the best players of the 2000's and in my opinion is in a 3 way tie between Kobe, Shaq and himself as the undisputed best player of the 2000's.
lebron is in that discussion aswell, i know that he only had like 5 good seasons, but boy were they good, he carried trash. kobe, shaq and duncan had good/great teams, lebron didnt and still performed.
@@Max-me9ol LeBron is in the discussion but I still think a 2006 Kobe, a 2000 Shaq and a 2002/2003 Tim Duncan are better than a 2009 Lebron
i feel like when talking about best players of the 00s KG has to be in there as well.
@@Max-me9ol Lebron is the best in 2010s, in 2000s, definitely no. You can't be in that conversation if you never won title in that era. Kobe, Timmy, Shaq, than everyone other.
Narrative? The only narrative is people spewing that tim duncan is underrated. He wasn't underrated. He's like in the top 5 goat. The only reason he isn't talked about much is because he didn't want to talk much. So stop this underappreciated underrated talk. He isn't. He's properly rated and that is a top 5 🐐
Duncan, most underrated defender in league history! Substance over style. Duncan & Robinson, Duncan & Bowen, Duncan & Leonard. Duncan anchored ALL of his title team's. But, he always had an ALL NBA defender or former. But, it ALL started with Timmy!
Spitting FACT'S!
I’m surprised he doesn’t have a DPOY but 15 time all-defensive is a ton of recognition lol. If you think he’s underrated because he doesn’t have a DPOY and the reason being “He’s a defensive superstar therefor he should have one” rather than “In year X he was clearly better than person X based on reason X”, If anything, that just shows how overrated rewards like MVP and DPOY are.
@@JohnSmith-oc6gm in 03 the man stopped (as much as you can stop) a prime Shaq and Kobe duo by himself. I honestly think that's enough but that just my opinion
“Duncan & Robinson” lol
@@arvidbjoerk5307 I agree with what you said, but in 03 I believe Ben Wallace won the award, and I think he deserved it more than Tim that year. You could probably make an argument the next season though, because if I remember correctly Ron Artest won it that year. The only other compelling one I remember is Marcus Camby winning it over Tim, but other than that the other winners deserved it more than Tim imo.
I really love the fact that Duncan is slowly gaining more populatity ecen though he's already retired. That man's under-appreciated.
Tim Duncan was so robbed.
I hate when a player deserves to win an award but someone more POPULAR wins it!
The pick I personally would change:
All-Star: Michael Cooper
MVP: Jerry West
Ring: Barkley
6th man: Michael Cooper
Stockton and Malone are both better than Chuck.
@@loserboypro Nahhhh
@LoserBoy Productions Sure, at least we both know its not Allen Iverson
Finals MVP: Steph Curry
Jerry west is nowhere near better than wade stop that logo bs is overrated
I feel like Bill Russell shouldn't have been chosen for the missed FMVP since that didn't exist then. I mean if you could do that then a case could be made for Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem...ect not winning DPOY which didn't exist till 83'.
Thank you sir.
It should have been curry
@@austinrawlins but curry has never played well in a finals series ..
I think if they go back and watch the Games in it's entirety then they can do post MVP for the players who deserved it.. Why not??! I see nothing wrong with this idea as long as it's on genuine film..
@@austinrawlins Curry gets them their but he plays badly when the Warriors do make it to the Championship..
Video title should be:Tim Duncan getting robbed in awards
Expand this to a starting 5 series.
Also, top 100 players of all time out when?
The reason why Tim Duncan is in so many places is because he was the most unselfish and underrated GOAT candidate of all time.
I love much respect that this channel gives to the legends of the game
I love how they're all doin the same dance but Kobe the mamba always being different
Thats kobe for ya lol. Damn I miss him 😢
Awesome video! Maybe one adjustment I'd suggest for Finals MVP, would be to include only players that could've gotten it, imagining Steph would be the one selected.
Yeah Steph was always the real MVP of that team. Even when KD was there. Now KD is gone and they're still rolling.
not retired
Technically bill russell did have a chance to win it
Nah he alr got it
The fact that Aaron Gordon never won a dunk contest after being immaculate in two separate appearances and getting robbed both times makes me so upset. I’m not saying the people who did win those years weren’t amazing also, but Aaron Gordon is the best dunk contest participant I’ve ever seen. Maybe not as an overall dunker but at least in dunk contests specifically I think he was the best who’s ever done it and he didn’t win either time.
I’m still pissed off by this.
First time it was a toss up, but second time around it was the worst robbing I’ve ever seen, the under both legs over the mascot is my favorite dunk contest dunk ever
I'm still upset by that too. And I don't blame him for sounding bitter about it. He flat out got cheated in 2020
Completely agree; if the dunk contest was done right allowing the judges to just choose the better dunker or change their scores after, then Gordon should easily have won twice. Assuming the judges are at least decent at it.
Tim Duncan, Scottie Pippen, and Shawn Marion never won DPOY but we somehow gave it to Marcus Smart when he wasn’t even the best defender on his team. What have we become…
Facts...
They really didn't want to give Timmy anymore accolades they thought his rings were enough
Karl Malone should’ve been best to never win a ring
We don’t talk about Karl
Yep. If you remove MJ from the league, Karl would've had 5 scoring titles and 2 championships. I also would've picked Chuck over AI...as much as I love AI.
We dont like pedos. Sorry
It’s crazy that Tim never won DPOY, but what’s even crazier is the competition that he faced, Ben Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Shaq, Dwight Howard. I’d argue that he should have won it the year Tyson chandler won it but sadly he didn’t.
Man, didn't know that Tim didn't win any of those obvious award you think he would've gotten easily. He's easily overlooked because he played in a small market and they always exclude the Spurs back then because they think that they're already doing extremely good.
How Duncan never won DPOY even once is mind boggling
Great video! Can you do a video on every NBA's team's greatest duo? Thanks!
The matrix never made an all defensive team is the most surprising to me.
Because...Probably was on Phoenix when he was best yet seem to be slept on cause on a fast pace team
Great Video
So… we can all agree that Tim Duncan is probably the most underrated player ever?
One of them but yes considering how many times he’s left out of the top 10
Duncan or pippen are the best players to never win dpoy with LeBron and kobe next.
Yes. Duncan and Scottie were absolutely elite defenders. Bron was good, but not elite.
@@John6-40 tf is wrong with you, Lebron was and still can be an elite defender even at the age of 37. He still has to carry the offense so he can't put 100% effort on defense like scottie or duncan
He "can" but he barely plays defense so ofc he's not gonna win it. Had a shot in 2013 and gave up later
@@bigmadafaca1020 Had a shot every year before his second stint with cavs, your're trippin
This is such an overlooked and distinguished topic in terms of NBA basketball. Wilson Sy would be proud
I’ll loose my mind if I see one more person say that Tim Duncan is underrated
good video as always....ur voice would really suit a commentating job
This man should have at least 300k subs. Very entertaining and displays everything so accurately
I have a feeling klay Thompson will end up as the best player never to make first team all defense...no thanks to rachel nichols
The problem with Tim's blocks is they were never flashy. Like his style, they were super technical, super effective and kinda boring. if he had more in your face zest like mutumbo, he probably would've won at least one.
That Kareem one surprised me 💯
No DPOY or block champ for TD🤔, that's crazy!! This supports my thoughts that a lot of those awards r popularity contest. All TD did was win but no storylines for the media, just him winning 5🏆's in a boring way! The way these awards r given out has to change!
For titles like DPOY, MVP, FMVP yes, but Scoring, assists, rebounds, steals and block titles are given to the player who averaged the most, and Tim never averaged the most.
That’s the thing with super complete players, like Lebron for exemple, he only won 1 scoring title and 1 assists title, but he is a waaay better scorer than Iverson who won 4 scoring titles, Harden 3 scoring titles or Kobe and Westbrook 2 scoring titles and he is a way better passer than Harden and Westbrook who won 2 assists titles.
Look at Giannis and Jokic, the 2 best players in the league right now, they won 0 scoring title and 0 assists titles but they are always in the Top 5-Top 3 in these categories, and for exemple KD has the exact same career average as Lebron wich is 27.1 ppg, but KD won 4 scoring titles vs Lebron 1 because KD was just lucky, he won 2 scoring titles averaging 27.7 and 28ppg, do you know how many times Lebron averaged more than that ? 5 Times, but Lebron was just unlucky, when he averaged 31.4 in 2005 for exemple, Kobe had his career high 35ppg, so these titles mean nothing without context, Lebron is a better scorer than KD, he average just as much and he is just a bit more efficient, and he played like 7 more seasons, we will see when KD will be in year 19, or when he will be 37 years old if his career average is still the same 🤷🏾♂️
@@Anthonydu01630 Whoa😮😳, u wrote a lot ! TD was the standard.... whether he won those awards or not!!
the reason centers nowadays don't block as much, is that over half the FG attempts are 3s now..not as many people drive into the paint, therefore less centers are blocking layup attempts... 2.6 in 2017 was probably proportionately higher than 2.9 in the 00s (blocks per close shot attempts)..
I disagree about the greatest player to never won a MVP for me it's Jerry West. Most of the folks rank him ahead of DWade. I also argue that Karl Malone is the greatest player to never won a ring.
Mailman had 2 chances...he didn't deliver on Sundays...Stockton showed up and was great...Malone didn't...TWICE ....Stockton would have elevated any above average player...imagine Stockton having a guy like KG or Barkley...or imagine Stockton playing today...he was a very good 3point shooter, had lock down D, perfect court vision...all time great in steals and assists ...he didn't take many shoots as PG were not great scorers back in the day...he had almost 52% FG rate...imagine if he would have taken more shots ! A MUCH better player than Steve Nash, who has 2 MVPs...Stockton is Nash with defense...Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists...he was so unselfish that he scored more than 30 points only ONCE in his career ...despite being in the FG percentage top 10 six times...
@@thedudeunchained7583 what do you think it was against the greatest team of all time smh
@@jotjot2402 Maybe I go a bit overvboard with my Malone hatred I just think he is a POS human being...knocking up teenage girls, not taking care of his many kids he had on the side, even denying they are his until they became successful athletes...and all these nasty elbows...but yeah he's probably top 5 all time at PF but no 1. a$$hole off the court
@@jotjot2402 second greatest of all time
Duncan got dunked on in so many categories!!! #underrated
Damn imagine scoring 38 per game and the guy that beats you for the scoring title outscored by 12 points per game.
Duncan not winning a DPOY is a travesty in itself a true crime insane :/
Now I know why Tim Duncan is not included in the GOAT conversation.
Huh? He’s literally top 5 all time and the best power forward to walk the face of the earth
Timmy not winning DPOY is not a surprise since he's not a hyped player, just like Scotty was. But I'm suprised that Shawn Marion never made an All-Defensive Team! That's an absolute travesty! The Matrix is one of the best defenders in all of basketball!
For me Jerry West is the greatest player never to win an MVP!
True. Miles ahead of D-Wade!
@@merckmaguddayao6814 LMAO
@@merckmaguddayao6814 Sure bud.
Was never even the best player on his team
@@SolusFather post Elgin he was!
It’s because Tim defensive prime coincided with the Ben Wallace prime. Who I believe is the defensive GOAT (with Dennis and Mutumbo)
The best player who couldn't get out of his own way = Alvin Robertson. If he had made better choices throughout his career and maximized his potential he would have been a first ballot hall of famer hands down.
He has 2 quadruple doubles.
Making the only quad double players
Nate Thurmond
Robertson (2x)
Hakeem
David Robinson
TimDuncan
*technically RussellWestbrook as he did get 4 stats in double digits…it just so happens one was turnovers lol.
60% of quadruple doubles were attained by Spurs players
He won the award
Allen Iverson is a ridiculous choice. He had a relatively short prime and only one really deep playoff run in his career. Even in his best years his stats and especially advanced stats are somewhat underwhelming. I wouldn't even put him in the top 15 of best players to not win a championship. Other modern players like Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Damian Lillard and Harden are solidly ahead of him. Plus Pete Maravich, George Gervin, Dominique Wilkins, Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing. And way ahead of AI I would put Elgin Baylor, Charles Barkley, John Stockton and Karl Malone. All four of those guys had better peaks, much longer peaks, better overall stats and more deep playoff runs than AI.
Why did I flinch when Kobe threw the ball😂 5:20
It's not just the lack of DPOY, the whole career of Duncan is extremely underappriciated. The man has 5 rings and just think about the teams he had in those championships. He won his first ring as a sophomore player and he was the star of his team with Robinson aging and being in decline. After that his best teammates have been Parker, Ginobili, Kawhi (only a defender back then) and Bruce Bowen. None of them were superstars, not even parennial all stars. Yet Duncan formed one of the most consistent powerhouse dynasties in the league's history.
Of course the success of the Spurs was a team effort, just like any other championship. But Duncan was the best leader a dynasty could ever hope for. No drama, just complete dedication and togetherness.
Your comment won't survive the test of time. Robinson, Parker, Ginobili, Kawhi, and Coach Pop will all be HOFers (and not simply because they played with Duncan). Your narrative is a special one trying to say that Duncan did it all on his own, which is the opposite of reality. He always played with at least one future HOFer, and he was always on a squad that was supposed to make the playoffs, arguably every season was championship caliber. I fully agree on the leadership part, which doesn't show up on the stat line.
Also, you should check out the 2014 Finals stats. Kawhi was already much more than a defender.
Can you make a Video where you rank the best Players by the Size of their hands🙏🏿
You should pick someone who would be available to win finals MVP award in most of his career. I think Kevin Garnett or Jason Kidd would be more acurate.
Bill Russell shouldn’t count - everyone KNOWS he would’ve made finals mvp had the award existed. There’s a reason the award is named after him, you know
If you could only select players after the award had come into existence, who would you pick? Personally I’d pick Steph Curry for his 2015 title. Iggy is great no doubt, but Curry was definitely more important to that team
John Stockton has two of the most untouchable records in NBA history: steals and assists. He was consistently great on both sides of the ball. Doesn't even get honorable mentions on these types of lists.
People say the Jazz would have won two championships had Michael stayed retired. I believe they could have beaten Michael's Bulls with a different head coach. Sloan was a powerful leader, and he got a lot out of his players, but he was not tactical. For example: the rigorous sub-schedule. They'd pull the starters like clock-work, regardless of the game situation.
which awards would he have gotten an honorable mention for? these are only players who never won the awards.
@@joshk3856 2:12
Players are good an all, but do you think you can maybe do the best coach’s at every ring total?
Duncan not winning dpoy, marion not making an all defensive team, and nate thurmond not getting an all nba selection is beyond wild
Can you do the undereated players from every franchise
If blocks are your standard for Defense, then I go with Timmy for not winning the DPOY.
if Lockdown defense is your standard, then I go with Kobe.
I think Karl Malone is debatable to players who never won a ring
Wow Duncan really is underrated
this has been one of my best videos on this channel
It still annoys me that Shawn Marion never made a Defensive team like he should have made tons
Elgin Baylor has the highest scoring average of anyone not name Wilt, but never won the scoring title is a little like one year the SF Giants had the 6th best record in the history of baseball, but didn't make the playoffs because a team in their division had the 5th best record(at this point there was no wild card just the 4 division champions made the playoffs.)
best bench player to never win 6MOTY is Andre iguodala. Stats don't make the case for it but the eye test and intangibles do. This man unlocked the hampton 5 death lineup and often guarded the likes of bron and harden. Iggy is underrated as hell for what he gave to the warriors at their peak
Thanks for mentioning Dwyane Wade!!
That Kobe dance at the end hittin’
Suggestion : Most Technical Fouls / Ejections
Here is a suggestion:
Do your top 75 nba players of all-time.
Jerry West is the best player to not win MVP. Wade and Zeke are top 25 players. West is top 20.
I think Zeke is around 18 but West is around 12 or 13
I’d also put CP3 up there with West.
Zeke is not a top 30 player
Barkley blows AI out of the water
Jerry West should’ve definitely been the MVP selection
Best retired player to never make a All star team is drazen petrovic tf 😭
Could you do worst players to win all these awards?
I see a lot of Duncan comments. Agreed, he is generally underappreciated, but he's not underrated. In 19 years, Duncan was always on a squad that was supposed to be in the playoffs. He came in during the tail end of David Robinson's career, who was still legit for Duncan's first four seasons. After that, Duncan was truly "the man" for four seasons until Parker and Ginobili gained enough experience. Then, at the tail end of Duncan's career, the Spurs had Kawhi who won DPOY during Duncan's final two years and Kawhi and Aldridge led the Spurs to the best record for a Duncan squad at 67-15.
Duncan was an amazing player who was always on a playoff, arguably championship, caliber team. He did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do with his circumstances. Plus, it's pretty nice to have a competent coach for all those years.
As for the DPOY, it is definitely surprising, but for the better part of the first half of Duncan's career, Mutombo and Zo were blocking a lot more shots and then Ben Wallace won four. Maybe Duncan should have won it instead of Metta World Peace or Marcus Camby.
We could say Tim Duncan is underrated
Sugestión: Best nba player that:
Is not in hof
Didn't went to olympics or wc
Won a nba championship as a player but yes as coach
Won titles in nba and euroleague
Same as above plus wc/olympics
Won titles in 3 dif leagues
Won mvp with lowest ppg
Shoutout to Elgin Baylor he should be up there with AI and Charles. Not that I disagree with you but Elgin was a scoring champ an 11 time all star and made it to the finals like 7 times
at the time this video was released it should have been curry for fmvp
So you are telling me that TIM DUNCAN never won a DPOY, come on man
Now i want to see a video about the worst players to win each award.
I’m shocked Tim Duncan never won a DPOTY
What about Karol Malone 2:29
6 man is by by far John Havlicek
Exactly followed by Kangaroo Kid.
I miss watching the Big Fundamental
Elgin Baylor deserves to have more appearances on the list
A bit off-topic I'm just curious but why is Kobe the only one with a different move on 8:37 ?
Best NBA player by number of All-Star Game MVP awards won
Best nba player without a ring is my dad. Could’ve gone pro if it wasn’t for that injury back in high school 😂
8:27 why is Kobe dancing different? Lol
Curry could be a good one for fmvp just for the fact iguodala took it
He still in the league
Welp it’s safe to say he won’t be on this list for that anymore lol
"A video game 38.3 points per game"
Me in NBA 2K21 averaging 110 ppg
And you preferring Lebron over Scottie in defense is like choosing Darko over Melo in top 2 pick
He Said "i would take Tim over scottie" he Said Tim, not him
I haven’t been impressed by Jason Kidd like this in awhile lol
Tim Duncan never received blocking champ because his highest average was 2.9 while the winners were 3.5 his whole career.
You forget to mention CP3 is the best player to not win MVP. He should of been MVP in 08’ and was top 10 in MVP voting 9 times in his career.
Cp3 isn’t retired
i think you should have the dpoy one to russell but he was already on the list once so yeah
edit: never mind i just watched the whole vid tim appears like 5 times lol
Karl Malone the best to never win a ring.
Stockton maybe..but not Malone...Mailman don't deliver on Sundays...
@@thedudeunchained7583 Karl Malone is a better individual player than Stockton, but I will give you the fact Stockton is the best pure pg ever but not top 3 at his position with Malone is top 2 at his
@@Kawaii-hh9dw I would rate Tim Duncan, Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki higher than Malone at the 4 spot. Malone could not create his own shot and really scored so much due to longevity and great passes from Stockton. Barkley and Garnett could score off the dribble and were way more explosive and skilled. Garnett and Duncan have waaaaaay more defensive team selections and both won championships and so did Dirk Nowitzki as the only all star against a stacked Heat team.
Thinking hard about the best point guards of all time ....Magic is clearly number 1, followed by Curry (who is not a typical PG for me - similar to Iverson) and I would pick Isiah Thomas before Stockton as well...if we count Iverson as a PG I would pick him over Stockton as well but Iverson was really an undersized shooting guard.
Moral of the story Tim Duncan is underrated
Karl Malone could also be a good candidate for never winning a ring. He is 2 x MVP, all time 3rd scoring, 2 Finals against MJ, 1 final against Pistons, 14 x All Star etc etc.
I can agree with all of those ecept for the AI one