On a Onkyo M-504 I tested 2 different pre-amps ( onkyo p-304 and Advance Acoustic MPP-206)
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- I didn't heard a difference. If you hear a difference you have very good ears.This was just a video to see if there was a difference between these 2 pre-amps. In real I also could not hear a difference. There is probably a difference but my ears are not trained enough to pick that up.
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In your opinion, vintage amps are better or current modern amps? What do you feel main difference between the two? Please do tell me as some people say that current crop of amps don't have the same power and punch that vintage amps had.
it all depends on the price you cannot compare top vintage with low modern models, accuphase krell mcintosh still produces hi-end equipment
@@rumerssorc799 Ok
@@akpandey860 It doesn't matter if you want to spend 200, 500 ore 1000 euro for a amplifier but when you buy them, the second hand amp will always sound better as the amp in the shop for the same price. So second hand is smarter. If you buy vintage, you not only buy for the sound but also for the looks. sound-wise vintage(1965 to 1980) when you buy a vintage amplifier for 500 euro it's always better in sound than a 500 euro costing new amplifier. the vintage however need revision, but keeps it's value. After 10 years the new amplifier lose over 50% of the value. When you buy a accuphase e-202 what had a complete revision it will cost you 1000 to 1500 euro. I don't know a new amplifier from the same price with the same quality as the accuphase. Not every vintage sound good, only totl models ore brands like marantz luxman sansui accuphase have a superb sound quality. This onkyo is beautiful but it doesn't sound as a sansui ore accuphase. I now use the advance acoustic maa 406 power amplifier what costed new 1000 euro. It is not sounding as good as a vintage accuphase amplifier but I can live with the sound. It's not a cheap sound, plenty new 1000 euro costing power amplifiers sound worse than the advance acoustic even if they are big brand names. I prefer the sound of the advance acoustic power and pre amplifier over the onkyo m504/p304 combination. In price the advance acoustic is cheaper (i bought it second hand) as the onkyo set. Only a complete revision of both the m-504/p-304 will cost you 500 euro. A complete reviced onkyo set will always sound better as a not reviced one but I never heard a reviced on. A not reviced onkyo m-504/p-304 cost you today 750 to 1000 euro. But lot of that price is the beauty you pay for....So your answer is hard to reply because there is very good sounding stuff in the shops for not that much money but they are never from the big brands. The big brands are always to expensive. If you want new , you should do your homework and testing and listening before you gonna buy because once you leave that shop your investment lost 30% of the value while if you buy second and the value stay the same when you resell it. You can't make mistakes when buying new.....Plenty new amps sound as good, some even better as the vintage amps but you have to pay 3 to 5 times more when you buy one of those...I have here a bryston 4b-st, hard to beat and equal to a vintage accuphase, second hand price is 1000 euro. When you have this bryston your search in sound quality is over because it doesn't only have the sound but it also have the power. But why i don't use it is because it's ugly.....I don't sell it yet because maybe one day I reach a new level and wished that I never had sell it. A real audiophile would take the beauty for granted, sound is the only factor they choose for. A marantz model 510(without the VU meters) cost you today 2000 euro minimal, so double the price from the 23 years younger second hand bryston 4b-st what doesn't need a revision in the coming next 10 years....they are equal in sound and power but why the marantz double in price is because they are very rare...collectors item, nobody collect brystons. not yet. ...so once again your question is hard to answer because some vintage is very expensive these days. If it is in the price class from 200/500 euro vintage marantz, accuphase, sansui luxman always win in sound from new amps in the shops.
@@vintagestereo Thanks for such an elaborate analysis..quite agree with you 👍👍
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also remember that old amplifiers will not live forever if the power transistors or the volume potentiometer are damaged, there are no parts for it, or there are Chinese fakes, this is sometimes a big risk, these devices may already be worn out
Onkyo M510 is one of the best amps i ever hears geez its amazing !! M504 is no slouch love mine !
I love the look of the onkyo amp 😍
That set of Advance Acoustic cleary shows that you must test some modern stuff like: Marantz PM8003,PM7003,PM6005, SR5006, SR6008,SR 7007,SR7008, Naim nait 5i, Cambridge audio cx60 all you can buy up to 450Euro.
I have onkyo 508 amp with 304 pre amp. Bought in Japan in 1987. I dont play it often but it pairs great withy Bose 301s. Great crisp sound i do have onkyo eq but i do not run the eq anymore.
The Onkyo had a little more strength in the bass and the advance acoustic had a little more airyness in the dynamics in the treble. Its all about what you like more , the onkyo was tighter while advance was slightly smoother. I like both cant decide 😊
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To me the Onkyo's midrange is better integrated to the high and low frequencies in comparison to the AA's more prominent midrange.
Greetings . First of all congratulations for the channel !!! EXCELLENT !!! your work the one you are doing, I have an Onkyo Digital A-8800 with all the modules of the equipment are Onkyo which are an M504 amplifier sound, with an EQ540 Interga equalizer and another EQ-201 and another EQ-25 and another EQ-140 and one TA-2550 Interga and one TA-2750 Interga and one TA-205 Interga deck and another double deck TA-RW 909 . a CP1500F Interga platter and Ortofon 40 turntable needle and CD DX-708 Interga, and the T-4500 Interga radio, All the models are from the Onkyo brand, which is the best that Onkyo does NOT make mass production if they are not selected from the Onkyo And the cables connected to the equipment are of the KabelDirekt Pro Series RCA brand and 4 DAS R-212 Speakers. and 2 Mivoc hype 10 g2 hifi subwoofers, 300 w, from 20 to 180 hz. IN THE END A CLASSIC OF THE 80S AND 90S of sound equipment of that time, over the years I have never broken any module, that is already seen from how they worked before and the manufacturing materials, I hope to have it duarte, many years for the quality of a good musical team, greetings and very good videos that you have a great like for your great videos, great sound models like these devices are no longer manufactured, it is a pity, that nowadays everything is plastic, greetings from Barcelona - You could do one of Onkyo Interga also of Review - Congratulations to all Onkyo electronics, the Inegra Series was a true excellence. I bring you bad news, for this glorious brand, which made hifi history, these days, Sharp, who recently acquired the brand, announced that the debt is incurable. The electronic audio equipment company Onkyo has filed for bankruptcy, after accumulating debts of US$24 million. Onkyo, founded in Osaka in 1946 under the name "Osaka Denky Onkyo K.K", has failed to position its mainly analog equipment in the streaming era, consequently Onkyo has been declared bankrupt by the Onkyo company. Even if the electronics produced today had nothing to do with the wonderful electronics that it has... A big greeting from Barcelona, Spain
Thank you do much for your comment
The Advance Acoustic sounds more 3 dimensional, with a deeper soundstage. The difference should be more recognisable in person. It's not that easy to judge, with this (microphone) test setup. Thanks for the interesting comparison!
I have the Onkyo M508 paired to an onkyo p304. I've read that Onkyo was never the best at making preamplifiers and that their sound was a little harsh. I have not experienced that for my self. I'm also using a 12 band EQ in my set up so I can tailor the sound to my personal taste. That said, I think in your comparison the Onkyo sound more rich with a less fatiguing sound than the Advance Acoustic.
I have now my second advance acoustic x-a160 and it sound very analytic but i changed the speaker wire, have to test it out with other speaker wire before I make a conclusion
I say it's a close competition both of them sound beautiful But I think that the oknyo sound Better Very very close call
Advance Acoustic sounds slightly fuller. You can hear it when you focus on the short little taps in one of your songs
Onkyo is much older. Just small thing like recaping may change sound stage a bit.
Changes a great deal espically dynamics my m504 got weak in dynamic department ! But once me and a friend changed 4 of them high filter caps out Wow big difference but it was a hard job not easy !
In my opinion the AA has a little bit more vibrant midrange but i think, a good recap will solve this "problem" and the Onkyo will be a better, much more well balanced preamp. If i remember correctly, u have a Nikko preamp. Can u make another comparison between the AA and Nikko ? I have a Nikko system at home (i like it so much) and i'm very courious how it perform against a modern stuff.
How do you switch between the preamps? I don't see any different input on the power amp. Are both directly connected to the power amp?
I made 2 sound recordings from the same audiotrack and in my editor I placed them in line
Advance Acoustic sounds a bit brighter for me more air in the treble
I had the M504 but sold it and bought the Yamaha M65 wich really sounds better higher dynamic range wider soundstage and even more power than the M504! But still the M504 is also a high end amp that's a fact, but the Yamaha M65 dethroned it for me! 👊👍
Hello Sir, I noticed that on one of your you tube videos that your M-504 amplifier had lights that kept changing colors, can you tell me about how you managed that ?. Thanks in advance from Ohio.
Magnifique cette Amplificateur un bon son
Ik vind de advanced acoustic meer open en iets meer detail.
Maar het verschil is niet erg groot ze spelen eigenlijk allebei heel mooi.
Een erg mooie test André.
Mvg André de vries.
Amazingly Beautiful
In my opinion Onkyo has boomy base and a bit close sound stage whereas Adv Accoustic has open sound stage and a bit bright. I maybe wrong my ears are 53 yrs old😄.
No your right
interesting comparison! I have the Onkyo P-3060R pre-amp, and i will compare it, between my power amplifier M5030 and my 5590.
always smart to test that out
Big difference in favour of Onkyo...fast and puncy bass...AA have wider soundstage
The Onkyo much warmer I have owned the p304/m504 hey check out my quick slideshow of one of your favorite amps
The Sansui G8000i just finished review comong soon i listened to this on me Burson 3x performace headphone dac and Drop 6xxx headphones 😃
The Onkyo is a bit more bass heavy. AA sounds more harmonious.
the onkyo is better
Nice, which power amp was better?
AA more opened sound,midrange and upper frequency. I don't know if you're in Europe, cos you must have right polarity in all units when do this tests. I'm talking about power cord cable polarity. If you plugged in with reverse polarity your loose bass and low end,but you got opened upper frequency.
I had and I sold because the sound was much too clear on my rf7 and my infinity sm as well as my jbl es100 and also the hpm 110. but I regret the beauty and the quality of construction of this set of quality, marriage being very important I would have associated it with English speakers or very soft models
Good day to you Andrew, to my ears the advanced acoustic has a slight edge, but its such a tiny difference that it still wouldnt make me pick one over the other if you know what i mean? :)
ivar just saw the video, he also could not hear a difference over his ls3/5a's
@@vintagestereo i was only listening through B&O H6 but as i said the difference i heard is really tiny, just nothing in it at all :)
Hi thanks a lot for the very nice comparison. I have the feeling that it is easier to find a great solid state amp than a great ss preamp .... and i cannot understand why. Often using a tube preamp in place of a solid state preamp with the very same solid state power amp results in a better sound overall ... i.e more musical and more 3D. I do not know why. Is it the design maybe ? tube preamps are minimalist by nature ... not so solid state preamps. Kind regards, gino
pre amps are often more important as the power amp but good pre amps are not cheap
@@vintagestereo Hi ! good morning Sir ! thank you very much for your kind and valuable advice. I have the very same feeling and i do not understand why.
I see that you are not that much on tubes ... i have a strong feeling that if you try a tube preamp with this Onkyo you will throw anything else out of the balcony. The Onkyo is a clean power generator. What it gets it just puts out with more power.
Tube preamps have usually great midrange and soundstage. Solid state preamps are a nightmare for me. The very good sounding ones , as you very well say, are very very expensive. Thanks again and kind regards, gino
That there is hardly a difference to be heard (I assume the Onkyo pre is far older than the Advance pre)
says something about the advance made in sound quality over the years (hardly any in my opinion,see also my commends
about your B & W test previous to this one.
Do not listen to any one comments about sounds wise but let's your ears do the judgement.
You couldn't hear much different from Super expansive brands of hi-fi audio than the ONKYO Pre- Power amplifier.
That's why the peoples put theirs Super expansive hi-fi audio for sale.
ONKYO hi-fi audio are punchy, neutral, strong, clear and keep going without fatigue.
2 Super size VU meter of the ONKYO looking like 2 sexy girls dancing.
ONKYO, YAMAHA, ACCUPHASE, SONY, DENON, Hi - End AKAI, SANSUI, HITACHI, MITSUBISHI, PIONEERS all those are too GOOD and looking GREAT too.
No real discernible difference to me listening through my system. But I love the look of the Onkyo amp since it looks a lot like my Proton.
@Tiberius Tchaikovsky I did. I bought the Proton AA1150 which is the 50w model in the early 90’s. Still works great powering Klipsch Heresy’s. The “Dynamic Power on Demand” feature can output up to 400wpc for those short peaks when needed which gives it tremendous headroom with very low distortion. And, it’s great to look at with the large VU meters. There’s not many floating around anymore, but sometimes the 1200 or 1150 are on eBay.
Advance Acoustic MPP-206 definitely has higher performance than Onkyo P-304. Middle voices are much more pronounced.
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In recording, i can't find any significant difference to say. You are directly listening so you must be able to say the difference. What's your observation?
i could not hear the difference in real too
i made this test because people are telling me that the weak link from this set(m-504/p-304) is the pre amp....so I wonder how other pre amps sound on this m-504. I now have a yamaha c-50 pre-amp and a nikko pre-amp but at the moment of making these video's I didn't had those. I still have the Amcron PSL-2 pre-amp what according to many is a hell of a amp but It's dirty and I had no time to clean it.
@@vintagestereo Yes, correct. Nice effort..and i like such comparative testing a lot. I completely agree that this Onkyo amp is among one of the most beautiful amps made ever.
@@akpandey860 I don't understand the industry, why making those ugly amplifiers, 2 big vu meters make a factory off amp only 50 euro more expensive, in the shop it will be a 100 extra.....There are only a few who still make amps with vu meters...the stupid industry is sleeping, how do they decide what we, the costumers, want? A company like advance acoustic understand the power of huge VU meters more than a lot of other expensive brands. The bryston would be a bestseller, only if they would make a nice front with vu meters. looks is important. Mcintosh and accuphase still make those vu meters but they are to small, we, the costumers want them huge
@@vintagestereo I am a big yamaha fan i think that would be more on the detailed side if compared to the onkyo pre amp and have as much clarity or airyness the adavance has. But yamaha i think would be the best compared to the two because the extra richness and attention to detail yamaha's mid to higher end receivers and amps have. Nikko is a great company to but not as familiar with their sound these days.
I have a good ear. And I was waiting for some slight difference between the 2 preamps But there isn't any.. Literally no difference at all. I honestly think this is A first for me.. But No difference between the 2 at all... 🙄😜
I also hear no difference what speaks for both devices
nope, i did not heard any difference at all
206 is very pricey, just get the cheaper Onkyo
Hooiii
Onkyo is in another level..