The familial ties that bind all are very fascinating. For instance, Aragorn is descended from the leaders of the three houses of men, every High king of Beleriand, and Thingol king of Doriath. If anyone can claim "divine right", it is Aragorn. Further if you think of it, eleven realms exist in the days of Aragorn, but they are in the main withing his borders. This actually flips the script from the first age when men were few and the elves had the high kingship, to the fourth age when elves were few and men now ruled as the high king. The Legendarium is little more than the tale of the gradual dispossession of the Firstborn by the Second.
That reveal that Gorthaur the Cruel was indeed Sauron sent chills down my spine, even though I knew who he was beforehand. In fact, I have read the Silmarillion in its entirety but still, I watch your videos. Your narration skills make the story come to life. David of Many Colours, you are legendary!
The fact that the house of beor was willing to sacrifice themselves to protect their new friend is touching. They may have still had a language barrier at this point in time yet even so they kept him safe. The thought of not being able to understand what someone is even saying only for them to step in at the last second and put themselves on the line to save you because. friend. Really gives you hope lol
Small argument from the lack of a coma. "He ate no flesh nor slew any living thing that was not in the service of Morgoth." No coma. So inverse law, one could interpret it as "He only ate flesh and slew things that WERE in the service of Morgoth." Just... food for thought.
What a way to start my day! I never would have know just how incredible and deep Tolkien’s universe was without channels like yours. You do beautiful work sir!
I’m so glad you are FINALLY able to share this great story. Dave of many colours, you are quite the story-teller. By far the best middle earth lore channel.
By the time Beren reaches Doriath there is little left of him, he is running on automatic and in the books he lives almost like an animal running on shear survival instinct. His home is utterly gone and condemned to darkness, all the surviving women of the House of Beor are in exile and he will not see them again, his father is dead, is outlaw comrades are dead, he has not seen a friendly face in four years, he has had to fight off Shelob-like spiders and suffer the light-sucking webs and to top it all he has -- weakened, terrified and starving -- crossed a valley of death and terror where not even the water can be touched. I think of only one other character in the legendarium ground down so badly and that's Frodo when he's reached the slopes of Mount Doom. So Beren roams in the forests of north Doriath and recovers a little and then he sees Luthien- I guess it must have been seeing the light of Illuvatar when he first set eyes on her, in a matter of moments Beren went from a hellish state to reaching a state of heavenly bliss. Of course at first he scares Luthien away and it's many months until they meet up again and it's the second time where Luthien stays- and she must have perceived his character and been enamoured by it, for no other Elven man in Doriath had shown such courage and resilience. Of course if JRR Tolkien considers himself Beren, and considers his wife as Luthien and also put such great value on the story of Beren and Luthien, is Tolkien alluding to his experiences shortly after being removed from the front lines of WW1? Is Tolkien saying he was utterly dead inside until he saw his wife again?
I would actually believe the human legend about Helm Hammerhand. Tolkien actually describes that on the last day of the siege of Súthburg (which would later be named Hornburg after Helm's horn) Helm did not come back after leaving to battle, but the enemy was finally defeated. On the same day the men of Rohan would see a far-away figure standing in the blizzard and the great horn of Helm would be heard there once again. Pretty convincing evidence.
The bit about Ilúvatar having his eye on Beren is really interesting. My first thought was that it made Beren seem disappointing -- he could be completely incompetent, and he'd survive and succeed because Ilúvatar willed it so. But your connection of the will of Ilúvatar to "Fate" also adds a level of depth to it. Maybe it's just me, but in my mind Fate originates from an individual possessing a Destiny, so it's a quality inherent to them, where God watching out for them is an external quality. Maybe for Tolkien, that line was more blurred. Regardless of that, though -- so excited that the new series has started! I've been really looking forward to this! Can't wait for the others! :)
Well met RD! I am so glad that the weekend begins with your video. The fact Beren survives the Valley of Dreadful Death a.k.a. Nan Dungortheb.(spell check) Just shows what Beren is capable of.Keep up the great work MELLON. Warmest Regards, Lord Storm Crow the Brun
I suspect it's easy for those who have never been in fear for their life &/or subject to torment & torture to judge others like Gorlim + his actions or that they have never even seriously considered how they would act were they in such a position.
Beren may be the only confirmed vegetarian, but he's not the only implied vegetarian. In "Of the coming of Men into the West" (pg 142), the Green elves approach Finrod Felagund, who has befriended Beor and his band, and they ask him to tell the Men to either turn back or continue on because they don't want strangers living in their land. And they say "these folk are the hewers of trees and the hunters of beasts; therefore they are unfriends..." Now it could be that the Green elves raise their own meat if they eat meat, but the same chapter also says that Felagund was attracted to the Men in the first place because of their fire and their singing and "...the Green elves of that land lit no fires, nor did they sing at night" (pg 140). So if the Green elves eat meat, they eat it raw. (Page numbers refer to my 1st edition of the Silmarillion. These quotes may be on different pages of other editions.) Even Orome appears to only hunt fell beasts created by Morgoth, and there's no word he ate any of them. Oog. :)
Firing this up now. I know this is going to be a good one. Once again, thanks so much for all that you do and all of your contributions to this community!
Just started watching this series. I don't know anything about this story (or most of Tolkien's work outside of Hollywood tbh), but I just have to say, I feel this series will be my favorite. You are a master storyteller. Stay groovy!💪🏼
Great job as always Rainbow Dave. Love the attention to detail and side tangents that you go off on to provide added significance and depth. Always appreciated. Let’s get Dave of many Colors to 20K Subscribers!
I'm very much enjoying this so far. I fell in love with this story from Men of the West's telling of it. You're going into much more detail than they did, and I'm really enjoying getting to understand the story better.
So excited to finally hear you do this story. The next few weeks are going to be great! That Sauron reveal was so good, can’t wait to hear what else sneaky Sauron is doing. 😃🧝🏻♂️🐺🦇
I just love watching your numbers go up you definitely deserve way more people than you have just keep up the good work we all definitely appreciate it
I see the hand of the Valar showing itself regarding the warning given to Beren by Gorlim, Gorlim would have passed to the halls of Mandos before passing on and who else would Beren have trusted with any message he was given if not by someone whom he had fought alongside for many years. Mandos of course couldnt have sent Gorlim back to middle earth as he doesnt have that power but he did have a brother Lorien who is the Valar of dreams and so who else could have sent the ghost of a dead man that could only have appeared to Beren when he was asleep.
It was a crazy week and I was finally able to watch your first Beren and Luthien video this morning, followed by today’s upload this afternoon. Both great! Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Rainbow Dave. Loving this series, you’re bringing new perspective that I never picked up on when I read silmarilion. Touching up on Gods perfect will and Gods permissive will with Eru illuvitars “plan”. I always come away with so much insight fullness and awe from your videos that really highlight more the reasons I love Tolkien’s writings. Can’t thank you enough for your videos.
I've watched you're previous series and now I'm impatiently awaiting for you to continue with this one 😁 Looking forward to many more stories of the timeline. Subscribed.
I've been waiting for this. 🥰🥰🥰 I'm your biggest fan. I really love how detailed even in small parts. Me who doesn't read the book deepens my understanding of the story 🥰 I'd be sharing your lores to help increase your subscribers
From Sauron’s side; all these men and elves are actually taking his lands. These lands were given to him from Melkor/Morgoth before elves/men/dwarves are awoken.
amazing delivery as always! it is indeed a bit hard to read the Silmarilion but your retelling brings back all the memories of these stories and brings them to life. and just on the note of this story..... in reading his work and legacy of amazing imagination it is easy to forget that Tolkien was present at one of the most horrific battles in WW1.... and so Beren's story feels like as if it is his and many of his peers stories he saw or experienced himself commemorated.
Another amazing video, 🌈 Dave! (I don’t know this story so it’s a cliffhanger on what will happen for the next few Fridays!) You’ve opened up so much of the entire Legendarium for me. Have a lovely weekend!!
A Short Time ago I thought about the Ring of Barahir and his history. And then it came to my mind that this Ring often landed in the only survivor of the Family and sometimes the whole kingdom. It is realy crazy if you think about the things it had to suvive to land in the hands of Aragon. -Finrod took it from Valinor to Belleriand -He giftet it Barahir -After his Death Beren took it quickly from the Orc who had it and kept it through his crazy adventure -he giftet it to Dior maybe at the Same Time as the Simarill -now it gets really crazy because it must have somehow landed in the hands of Elwing before, while of after the second kinslaying. I dont want to go through the whole history whith my bad english but it also kept in the hands of the few survivors of the third Kinslaying, Fall of Numenor and the Fall of Arnor. Then I thought about how that could be. Do you think the Ring has some Special Power of protection? I mean it is very possible that it was craftet by a Valar or Feaenor. I even like the idea that it has the Will of Illuvatar. Like it is a protection power or destiny from him. I mean maybe Beren could enter Doriath because of that Ring. A Little theory from me
I seem recall that Melian said words to the effect of "one shall come with doom greater than her", not power. Basically, Melian could bar passage to anyone unless they we guided by a greater power. Beren did not have greater power, but was doomed to do what was required by a greater power. Tuor was guided by Ulmo. It is not clear which greater power was guiding Beren, perhaps Iluvatar himself.
Someone complained that in amazons the rings of power, they didn't like how the halflings left people behind who were sick and injured. I can see however why they would need to, as mean as it seems. They had to reach their destination by a certain time or starve. They relied on the seasons and nature's bounty. Yet here, if strangers accidentally enter the girdle, they become lost and confused, wandering around until they starve to death. I can also see why this would be, due to morgoth's great threat. But Melian being so powerful, couldn't she have devised a less cruel way to keep the kingdom hidden? I think it's mean and not very tolkein
And yes, I know Tolkein actually wrote this. I'm just pointing out the irrationality of some of the accusations against rings of power. Not even tolkein follows his own canon.
Rainbow Dave, I need your help I come to you with a task that has turned out to be much more of a struggle than I initially thought: Where, in all of the legendarium, did JRRT himself say that the Glorfindel in the sillmarillion and Glorfindel in the Fellowship of the Ring are the same guy? I have scoured all five main books and can not find a mention anywhere of Mandos sending a regular elf (badass as he may be) back to middle earth after death. The best piece of evidence I could find is this: Sometime after the Lord of The Rings came out tolkien realised he had given two characters the same name and in the notes of The New Shadow (the incomplete sequal to LOTR) he wrote that "mandos released Glorfindel from the halls" and this is provided to us posthumously by his son, Christopher. Even the wiki takes this hard-to-find story beat as fact so I ask you IN WHICH OF HIS WORKS DOES TOLKIEN SAY THAT GLORFINDEL CAME BACK FROM THE ERU DAMN DEAD?
It comes from two essays about Glorfindel that have been published in the Peoples of Middle-earth, the chapter Last Writings. Edit: Also I just read the fragment I was talking about and it also says that Tolkien already planned for it when making Glorfindel's character in the Lord of the Rings, he just didn't put it in the story, probably because it would require too much explaining
An interesting description of Emeldir. Sounds like another strong woman of the Third Age, Eowyn Also could draw some comparisons between Gorlim and Judas.🤔
My favorite before the Lord of the Rings Story, Love It, It hits all the right bells for me, I have read quite a few versions over the years as they have been published, beautiful story!
Loving all of the lore videos Your so easy to listen to and I eternally great full I've found this channel right before the new series drops so I can be upto date
"Gorlim the Unhappy, pleased to meet you. You are?" "Yueh, Doctor Wellington Yueh." "Let me guess: the bastard had your wife, then promised to give her back to you if you ratted out your chums, right?" "Pretty much..." "You fell for it too huh?" "Oh, yeah..." "So, were we just foolishly naïve, or hopelessly optimistic?" "I don't know. Your guess is as good as anyone's, I suppose. Please pass the pretzels..."
Well you said Beren vowed not to eat anything that wasn't in the service of Morgoth. But like the werewolves have flesh and meat, so does the orcs and like Shelobs family and such lol and maybe the humans & dwarves that sided with evil. Maybe there were evil elephants like in Lotr trilogy(tho I can't consider them evil since they were captured and controlled, but they were in the service of him like it or not) grim look on things, sorry
Ok guys we need a number 1 man. We have Fingolfin for the elves and durin for the dwarves, but the hardest question is who is the mightiest man in terms of both strength and wisdom.
Can't imagine the desperate strength of will it took for Gorlim to resist the call to Mandos' halls just long enough to warn Beren. Beren waited in Mandos' halls for Luthien, but I have to say: that dream strikes me as Iluvatar allowing Gorlim the chance to redeem himself such as he could before requiring him to return to Iluvatar's side. Of course it was too late to save the others (Gorlim chose betrayal of his own free will and choices must have consequences), but if not for that dream, Beren might never have recovered the Ring of Barahir, even if he somehow survived long enough to die of old age. If that had happened, everything would have gone much worse.
Now here is a dark thought, if the elf hunted and ate meats does this mean they consumed the petty-dwarves they thought were animals? No wonder dwarves dislike elves. Food for thought , forgive the pun.
Horribly sad story…man takes lands from Sauron. Sauron attacks men. Sauron gets his lands back. Men steal it back later, by killing Sauron’s minions and Sauron himself.
I would have enjoyed a adaptation series about the Grey Company the events during that time. Be it fan made or not. I mean someone tried before via stop motion with legos. Maybe a series with the Unreal Engine 5 could work.
I would disagree. Gorlim obviously knew the enemy could never be trusted regardless of promises or even his wildest hopes that his wife was alive. It was simple folly for him to reveal the location of Lake Aeluin and the outlaws. Perhaps he was a victims, but he only made more victims with his rather thoughtless choice. Let's call a spade a spade. He was a fool.
Was Beren the first vegan in Arda? Maybe yes or maybe no. Tolkien writes "from that time forth he ate no flesh nor slew any living thing that was not in the service of Morgoth." The last 8 words in that sentence is the interesting part. Because if he was slaying and consuming the flesh of living things which were in the service of Morgoth, Beren is decidedly not a vegan. Besides it would have been hard to be a vegan in Middle Earth, as there were no Vitamin B12 supplements in the First Age.
Not to mention that it raises serious questions about his potential diet. Orc, troll, dragon, fell beast, Ungoilant's young, werewolves, vampires, and who knows what else might inhabit such a list.
@@jayt9608 Ketchup is great on fries, but is not potent enough to mask the hideous taste of Orc flesh. Beren might have to up the Scoville units to cancel the foul taste. Mad Dog 357 (1,000,000 SHU) might do the trick. Melkor probably has a stash of the stuff somewhere.
Bergen is a mortal man but Luthien has a destiny. Would that not explain why the orc arrows went wide. The fate was Luthien’s of which Beren plays a mortal part. Does this mean that at this point Beren becomes something other than human as he cannot choose any longer given his choice to hook up with Luthien emeshed him in her fate?
Honestly (and I'm not just saying this because I make the videos) I would watch the videos first and then read the book. The First Age is written like a real life history, and so Tolkien often brings up characters that'll be important in the future, as if you're expected to already know who they are on the first read through. It's like if you're reading a book on the founding of America, but then the writer mentions George Bush and expects you to know who he is, even though he wasn't born until hundreds of years after the founding of America. Also Tolkien gives away so many spoilers of what's going to happen chapters down the line. It really does help to already be familiar with the story before you read the book. I think you'll get a lot more out of it, and I think that's why the Silmarillion can be so challenging on a first read through.
Yeah but they're very different from Gorlim. The Oathbreakers never technically died. Their spirits were unable to pass on until they fulfilled their oath, but Gorlim seems to have died and then been sent back somehow to pass on a message.
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The stories of the 1st Age really do stand out. There's no others like to them. Keep up the story telling please!
The familial ties that bind all are very fascinating. For instance, Aragorn is descended from the leaders of the three houses of men, every High king of Beleriand, and Thingol king of Doriath. If anyone can claim "divine right", it is Aragorn. Further if you think of it, eleven realms exist in the days of Aragorn, but they are in the main withing his borders. This actually flips the script from the first age when men were few and the elves had the high kingship, to the fourth age when elves were few and men now ruled as the high king. The Legendarium is little more than the tale of the gradual dispossession of the Firstborn by the Second.
That reveal that Gorthaur the Cruel was indeed Sauron sent chills down my spine, even though I knew who he was beforehand. In fact, I have read the Silmarillion in its entirety but still, I watch your videos. Your narration skills make the story come to life. David of Many Colours, you are legendary!
Ruined it for me tho. move this comment from first bro.
Damn, spoiler alert
@@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215I mean in retrospect how many powerful servants of Morgoth are there in the world to do these kinds of things?
I feel like I recognize your voice from TikTok, I could be wrong. Amazing story teller! Captivating.
The fact that the house of beor was willing to sacrifice themselves to protect their new friend is touching. They may have still had a language barrier at this point in time yet even so they kept him safe. The thought of not being able to understand what someone is even saying only for them to step in at the last second and put themselves on the line to save you because. friend. Really gives you hope lol
Been and Luthien is my favorite story!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Small argument from the lack of a coma. "He ate no flesh nor slew any living thing that was not in the service of Morgoth." No coma. So inverse law, one could interpret it as "He only ate flesh and slew things that WERE in the service of Morgoth." Just... food for thought.
What a way to start my day! I never would have know just how incredible and deep Tolkien’s universe was without channels like yours. You do beautiful work sir!
I love how this guy sounds like Many A True Nerd.
Nice work dude
I’m so glad you are FINALLY able to share this great story. Dave of many colours, you are quite the story-teller. By far the best middle earth lore channel.
love this channel!!!! better then the rings of power
Beren..what a guy...went through the most evil lands that neither Elf nor Orc would go!
By the time Beren reaches Doriath there is little left of him, he is running on automatic and in the books he lives almost like an animal running on shear survival instinct. His home is utterly gone and condemned to darkness, all the surviving women of the House of Beor are in exile and he will not see them again, his father is dead, is outlaw comrades are dead, he has not seen a friendly face in four years, he has had to fight off Shelob-like spiders and suffer the light-sucking webs and to top it all he has -- weakened, terrified and starving -- crossed a valley of death and terror where not even the water can be touched. I think of only one other character in the legendarium ground down so badly and that's Frodo when he's reached the slopes of Mount Doom.
So Beren roams in the forests of north Doriath and recovers a little and then he sees Luthien- I guess it must have been seeing the light of Illuvatar when he first set eyes on her, in a matter of moments Beren went from a hellish state to reaching a state of heavenly bliss. Of course at first he scares Luthien away and it's many months until they meet up again and it's the second time where Luthien stays- and she must have perceived his character and been enamoured by it, for no other Elven man in Doriath had shown such courage and resilience.
Of course if JRR Tolkien considers himself Beren, and considers his wife as Luthien and also put such great value on the story of Beren and Luthien, is Tolkien alluding to his experiences shortly after being removed from the front lines of WW1? Is Tolkien saying he was utterly dead inside until he saw his wife again?
Great video again dave! More videos please while im on my quarantine.😅
The way you annunciate B's and P's are funny but great. Love it! Haha.
Great work! Love when you go off and finish the thought with "Aaanyway..." Never stop!
I would actually believe the human legend about Helm Hammerhand. Tolkien actually describes that on the last day of the siege of Súthburg (which would later be named Hornburg after Helm's horn) Helm did not come back after leaving to battle, but the enemy was finally defeated. On the same day the men of Rohan would see a far-away figure standing in the blizzard and the great horn of Helm would be heard there once again. Pretty convincing evidence.
Your narration is just so engaging. I look forward to these episodes I'll have to re-read the books again someday
So excited to see more videos! I can't wait for the next one!!
Eru illuvatar gives a whole new meaning to plot armor
This is a great to watch while being sick. I love listening to this story. Keep up the wonderful work.
Hope you feel better soon!
@@tolkienuntangled Thank you. I hope so too.
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The bit about Ilúvatar having his eye on Beren is really interesting. My first thought was that it made Beren seem disappointing -- he could be completely incompetent, and he'd survive and succeed because Ilúvatar willed it so. But your connection of the will of Ilúvatar to "Fate" also adds a level of depth to it. Maybe it's just me, but in my mind Fate originates from an individual possessing a Destiny, so it's a quality inherent to them, where God watching out for them is an external quality. Maybe for Tolkien, that line was more blurred.
Regardless of that, though -- so excited that the new series has started! I've been really looking forward to this! Can't wait for the others! :)
Interesting how all of these mixed-race romance tales have so many parallels with each other.
Well met RD! I am so glad that the weekend begins with your video. The fact Beren survives the Valley of Dreadful Death a.k.a. Nan Dungortheb.(spell check) Just shows what Beren is capable of.Keep up the great work MELLON.
Warmest Regards,
Lord Storm Crow the Brun
I suspect it's easy for those who have never been in fear for their life &/or subject to torment & torture to judge others like Gorlim + his actions or that they have never even seriously considered how they would act were they in such a position.
Beren may be the only confirmed vegetarian, but he's not the only implied vegetarian. In "Of the coming of Men into the West" (pg 142), the Green elves approach Finrod Felagund, who has befriended Beor and his band, and they ask him to tell the Men to either turn back or continue on because they don't want strangers living in their land. And they say "these folk are the hewers of trees and the hunters of beasts; therefore they are unfriends..." Now it could be that the Green elves raise their own meat if they eat meat, but the same chapter also says that Felagund was attracted to the Men in the first place because of their fire and their singing and "...the Green elves of that land lit no fires, nor did they sing at night" (pg 140). So if the Green elves eat meat, they eat it raw. (Page numbers refer to my 1st edition of the Silmarillion. These quotes may be on different pages of other editions.) Even Orome appears to only hunt fell beasts created by Morgoth, and there's no word he ate any of them. Oog. :)
Magical and amazing presentation. Well done and thank you for sharing your talents with the world!
Firing this up now. I know this is going to be a good one. Once again, thanks so much for all that you do and all of your contributions to this community!
Beren is truly the MVP of first age.
Just started watching this series. I don't know anything about this story (or most of Tolkien's work outside of Hollywood tbh), but I just have to say, I feel this series will be my favorite. You are a master storyteller. Stay groovy!💪🏼
Great job as always Rainbow Dave. Love the attention to detail and side tangents that you go off on to provide added significance and depth. Always appreciated. Let’s get Dave of many Colors to 20K Subscribers!
I am so happy you are going so in depth with this story, you really do it justice! Can't wait for the next installment!
I'm very much enjoying this so far. I fell in love with this story from Men of the West's telling of it. You're going into much more detail than they did, and I'm really enjoying getting to understand the story better.
So excited to finally hear you do this story. The next few weeks are going to be great! That Sauron reveal was so good, can’t wait to hear what else sneaky Sauron is doing. 😃🧝🏻♂️🐺🦇
I just love watching your numbers go up you definitely deserve way more people than you have just keep up the good work we all definitely appreciate it
Wow!
Another fantastic video - can't wait for the next one!!! 😊❤️
I see the hand of the Valar showing itself regarding the warning given to Beren by Gorlim, Gorlim would have passed to the halls of Mandos before passing on and who else would Beren have trusted with any message he was given if not by someone whom he had fought alongside for many years. Mandos of course couldnt have sent Gorlim back to middle earth as he doesnt have that power but he did have a brother Lorien who is the Valar of dreams and so who else could have sent the ghost of a dead man that could only have appeared to Beren when he was asleep.
It was a crazy week and I was finally able to watch your first Beren and Luthien video this morning, followed by today’s upload this afternoon. Both great! Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Amazing! Thank you very much!
Rainbow Dave. Loving this series, you’re bringing new perspective that I never picked up on when I read silmarilion. Touching up on Gods perfect will and Gods permissive will with Eru illuvitars “plan”. I always come away with so much insight fullness and awe from your videos that really highlight more the reasons I love Tolkien’s writings. Can’t thank you enough for your videos.
I cried.
It's like if you kicked Darth Vader in the nutz, I love both these characters ❤️
I've watched you're previous series and now I'm impatiently awaiting for you to continue with this one 😁 Looking forward to many more stories of the timeline. Subscribed.
I've been waiting for this. 🥰🥰🥰 I'm your biggest fan. I really love how detailed even in small parts. Me who doesn't read the book deepens my understanding of the story 🥰 I'd be sharing your lores to help increase your subscribers
From Sauron’s side; all these men and elves are actually taking his lands. These lands were given to him from Melkor/Morgoth before elves/men/dwarves are awoken.
@TolkienUntangled Finally a video about a Tolkein book I’ve actually read! Thanks so much for hitting the bull eye on this which is VERY hard to do
amazing delivery as always! it is indeed a bit hard to read the Silmarilion but your retelling brings back all the memories of these stories and brings them to life.
and just on the note of this story..... in reading his work and legacy of amazing imagination it is easy to forget that Tolkien was present at one of the most horrific battles in WW1.... and so Beren's story feels like as if it is his and many of his peers stories he saw or experienced himself commemorated.
Orome would not dare to hunt any of the creatures of Yavanna! 😅
He was a Hunter, but he hunted only the beasts and fauna of Morgoth. (Not for eating)
Another amazing video, 🌈 Dave! (I don’t know this story so it’s a cliffhanger on what will happen for the next few Fridays!) You’ve opened up so much of the entire Legendarium for me. Have a lovely weekend!!
A Short Time ago I thought about the Ring of Barahir and his history. And then it came to my mind that this Ring often landed in the only survivor of the Family and sometimes the whole kingdom. It is realy crazy if you think about the things it had to suvive to land in the hands of Aragon.
-Finrod took it from Valinor to Belleriand
-He giftet it Barahir
-After his Death Beren took it quickly from the Orc who had it and kept it through his crazy adventure
-he giftet it to Dior maybe at the Same Time as the Simarill
-now it gets really crazy because it must have somehow landed in the hands of Elwing before, while of after the second kinslaying.
I dont want to go through the whole history whith my bad english but it also kept in the hands of the few survivors of the third Kinslaying, Fall of Numenor and the Fall of Arnor.
Then I thought about how that could be. Do you think the Ring has some Special Power of protection? I mean it is very possible that it was craftet by a Valar or Feaenor.
I even like the idea that it has the Will of Illuvatar. Like it is a protection power or destiny from him. I mean maybe Beren could enter Doriath because of that Ring.
A Little theory from me
I seem recall that Melian said words to the effect of "one shall come with doom greater than her", not power. Basically, Melian could bar passage to anyone unless they we guided by a greater power. Beren did not have greater power, but was doomed to do what was required by a greater power. Tuor was guided by Ulmo. It is not clear which greater power was guiding Beren, perhaps Iluvatar himself.
Someone complained that in amazons the rings of power, they didn't like how the halflings left people behind who were sick and injured. I can see however why they would need to, as mean as it seems. They had to reach their destination by a certain time or starve. They relied on the seasons and nature's bounty. Yet here, if strangers accidentally enter the girdle, they become lost and confused, wandering around until they starve to death. I can also see why this would be, due to morgoth's great threat. But Melian being so powerful, couldn't she have devised a less cruel way to keep the kingdom hidden? I think it's mean and not very tolkein
And yes, I know Tolkein actually wrote this. I'm just pointing out the irrationality of some of the accusations against rings of power. Not even tolkein follows his own canon.
Beren's Berserk button. I imagine it's not too dissimilar from Vegeta's Goku button
Just a heads-up that the Thumbnail credit isn't listing CK Goksoy's Aragorn image in the description.
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I love how both arwen and aragorn belong to the house of Bëor
Rainbow Dave, I need your help
I come to you with a task that has turned out to be much more of a struggle than I initially thought:
Where, in all of the legendarium, did JRRT himself say that the Glorfindel in the sillmarillion and Glorfindel in the Fellowship of the Ring are the same guy?
I have scoured all five main books and can not find a mention anywhere of Mandos sending a regular elf (badass as he may be) back to middle earth after death. The best piece of evidence I could find is this:
Sometime after the Lord of The Rings came out tolkien realised he had given two characters the same name and in the notes of The New Shadow (the incomplete sequal to LOTR) he wrote that "mandos released Glorfindel from the halls" and this is provided to us posthumously by his son, Christopher.
Even the wiki takes this hard-to-find story beat as fact so I ask you
IN WHICH OF HIS WORKS DOES TOLKIEN SAY THAT GLORFINDEL CAME BACK FROM THE ERU DAMN DEAD?
It comes from two essays about Glorfindel that have been published in the Peoples of Middle-earth, the chapter Last Writings.
Edit: Also I just read the fragment I was talking about and it also says that Tolkien already planned for it when making Glorfindel's character in the Lord of the Rings, he just didn't put it in the story, probably because it would require too much explaining
An interesting description of Emeldir. Sounds like another strong woman of the Third Age, Eowyn
Also could draw some comparisons between Gorlim and Judas.🤔
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I bet Tolkien would be rolling in his gondolin if he saw those AI illustrations of his work.
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Tom and Meg would be proud
"Gorlim the Unhappy, pleased to meet you. You are?"
"Yueh, Doctor Wellington Yueh."
"Let me guess: the bastard had your wife, then promised to give her back to you if you ratted out your chums, right?"
"Pretty much..."
"You fell for it too huh?"
"Oh, yeah..."
"So, were we just foolishly naïve, or hopelessly optimistic?"
"I don't know. Your guess is as good as anyone's, I suppose. Please pass the pretzels..."
Didn't say he didn't eat meat. Just didn't eat meat that wasn't connected to Morgoth
So that Power “greater than Melian” was not Beren but Iluvatar Himself!
Hathaldir must be like later Haldir, but with a hat.
Well you said Beren vowed not to eat anything that wasn't in the service of Morgoth. But like the werewolves have flesh and meat, so does the orcs and like Shelobs family and such lol and maybe the humans & dwarves that sided with evil. Maybe there were evil elephants like in Lotr trilogy(tho I can't consider them evil since they were captured and controlled, but they were in the service of him like it or not) grim look on things, sorry
I highly doubt Beren would’ve survived an encounter with Shelob.
Ok guys we need a number 1 man. We have Fingolfin for the elves and durin for the dwarves, but the hardest question is who is the mightiest man in terms of both strength and wisdom.
Elendil
@@sauromatae9728 even over Hurin or Turin?
I always thought Turin was the mightiest of the Edain. Just my opinion though
Can't imagine the desperate strength of will it took for Gorlim to resist the call to Mandos' halls just long enough to warn Beren. Beren waited in Mandos' halls for Luthien, but I have to say: that dream strikes me as Iluvatar allowing Gorlim the chance to redeem himself such as he could before requiring him to return to Iluvatar's side. Of course it was too late to save the others (Gorlim chose betrayal of his own free will and choices must have consequences), but if not for that dream, Beren might never have recovered the Ring of Barahir, even if he somehow survived long enough to die of old age. If that had happened, everything would have gone much worse.
Now here is a dark thought, if the elf hunted and ate meats does this mean they consumed the petty-dwarves they thought were animals? No wonder dwarves dislike elves. Food for thought , forgive the pun.
One question though: were were the dwarfs during all this time the elves and men were getting their asses kicked?
Horribly sad story…man takes lands from Sauron. Sauron attacks men. Sauron gets his lands back. Men steal it back later, by killing Sauron’s minions and Sauron himself.
I would have enjoyed a adaptation series about the Grey Company the events during that time. Be it fan made or not. I mean someone tried before via stop motion with legos. Maybe a series with the Unreal Engine 5 could work.
I would disagree. Gorlim obviously knew the enemy could never be trusted regardless of promises or even his wildest hopes that his wife was alive. It was simple folly for him to reveal the location of Lake Aeluin and the outlaws. Perhaps he was a victims, but he only made more victims with his rather thoughtless choice. Let's call a spade a spade. He was a fool.
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I thought Turin was the kernel of the mythology...?
Does Beren have Talion level stealth? Can he stealth kill an entire company of orcs?
Was Beren the first vegan in Arda? Maybe yes or maybe no. Tolkien writes "from that time forth he ate no flesh nor slew any living thing that was not in the service of Morgoth." The last 8 words in that sentence is the interesting part. Because if he was slaying and consuming the flesh of living things which were in the service of Morgoth, Beren is decidedly not a vegan. Besides it would have been hard to be a vegan in Middle Earth, as there were no Vitamin B12 supplements in the First Age.
Not to mention that it raises serious questions about his potential diet. Orc, troll, dragon, fell beast, Ungoilant's young, werewolves, vampires, and who knows what else might inhabit such a list.
@@jayt9608 Some Tabasco sauce would perhaps aid in the consumption of said items.
@@charlesmartin1121 or ketchup?
@@jayt9608 Ketchup is great on fries, but is not potent enough to mask the hideous taste of Orc flesh. Beren might have to up the Scoville units to cancel the foul taste. Mad Dog 357 (1,000,000 SHU) might do the trick. Melkor probably has a stash of the stuff somewhere.
@@charlesmartin1121, and now we know where the orcs and trolls got the idea of waiting men. It was revenge for Beren doing it first!! 🤔
20:20 Noo! Not Radhruin. He was the best of us.
Bergen is a mortal man but Luthien has a destiny. Would that not explain why the orc arrows went wide. The fate was Luthien’s of which Beren plays a mortal part. Does this mean that at this point Beren becomes something other than human as he cannot choose any longer given his choice to hook up with Luthien emeshed him in her fate?
Unlike real life vegetarians tho, Beren didn't force other people to give up meat. Lol
You said Beren only ate and slew only followers of enemy so he wasn't a vegetarian if he ate the enemy. That's still meat.
Just started reading the book.Should I finish the book and then watch the videos or watch the videos and then finish the book?
Honestly (and I'm not just saying this because I make the videos) I would watch the videos first and then read the book. The First Age is written like a real life history, and so Tolkien often brings up characters that'll be important in the future, as if you're expected to already know who they are on the first read through. It's like if you're reading a book on the founding of America, but then the writer mentions George Bush and expects you to know who he is, even though he wasn't born until hundreds of years after the founding of America. Also Tolkien gives away so many spoilers of what's going to happen chapters down the line. It really does help to already be familiar with the story before you read the book. I think you'll get a lot more out of it, and I think that's why the Silmarillion can be so challenging on a first read through.
Maybe Sauron "killed" Gorlim by stabbing him with a morgûl blade?
From the wording, Beren would have eaten the meat of the beasts in service to the dark one.
To "Untangled": You said that Gorlim was the only ghost, but Aragorn led an army of them called the "Oathbreakers" at the siege of Minas Tirith.
Yeah but they're very different from Gorlim. The Oathbreakers never technically died. Their spirits were unable to pass on until they fulfilled their oath, but Gorlim seems to have died and then been sent back somehow to pass on a message.
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Why go through all that magic rather than just follow him back?
Beorn is vegetarian
Yeah good point. I forgot about him.
Of course he ate meat...orc meat