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Before reforming the prison system in Norway and making Halden prison, returning prisoners was same as the U.S.A., about 70%... Now it is less than 20%..... Let the numbers speak for themselves!
Treating people in an overly authoritarian way causes way more anger and rebellion than it solves. I'm a law-abiding person, but if for some reason I had to go to prison and would be treated as the American dude has shown, I'd be coming back to society angrier, more vengeful, hostile and mistrustful, that's for sure.
Thats not the real issue, the prisons gain money on having prisoners and taking in more prisoners so their goal is not to make you better. Like they want you to come back so that they can make more money.
We don’t expect 100 % success in rehabilitation of criminals. It’s just that the science shows rehabilitation works better than punishment in lowering crime.
im in criminals rehabilitation in sweden right now in this moment and i can say one thing i have changed for the better. i will never do crimes again if i get out.
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Regarding the episode with the prisoner who refused to be near a camera, and the American's reaction. He had been the head of a high security prison, so he has only seen those who were supposed to be dangerous and inappropriate. But this was a prison with inmates who were soon to be released, and who have undergone rehabilitation, something he has no knowledge of, so he is speaking here about things he knows nothing about. Because in the Nordic countries everyone is allowed to have a private life, and he wanted to preserve that. And maybe he had changed a lot during his stay, like removing the beard he always had or removing his hair, so he wouldn't be recognized on the street when he came out, and he will try to get a job! In any case, it is always difficult for those who get out of prison. They are about to start a completely new everyday life, which they may have never been involved in before, so I can understand that he would not be filmed.
Yea there are somewhat different rules when it comes to filming in Norway and prob sweeden aswell ( but I have not checked ) in the US you can Film in public and anywere were others have no expectation of Privacy. Hence in Prison he wouldnt have had anything he could say about that. In Norway it is actualy not legal to Take Pictures of others and post them without their consent. Not if they are clearly the object or can easealy be mistaken to be. If some1 at some distance walks by when I take a Picture of a Fanzy church I can post that. If they were close enough to make it look like they were the object I took the picure of.. I can not legaly post this/show it to public. ( I can still take the picture )
As a swede it makes sense to me that the prisoner with the hoodie would be okay to say that he doesn't want to be on camera. You need to have a strong core integrity to be able to walk away from a criminal lifestyle and make that change in your life. Breaking people down will make them scared, insecure and angry. It's not going to help them and it's not going to help the relationship between guards and inmates either. If they hate the prison staff - why would they ever listen to their advice? There needs to be some mutual respect and from this clip the inmate didn't seem to be out of line. He was upset, but he wasn't violent. Used their words to explain their position and making it work. That seems like a healthy way of showing discontent to me.
I still cant understand why the us thinks that by putting someone in a hell hole for about 20 years will produce a better person when they get out of it.
Like he said, it's not supposed to make them better. "It's the inmate's responsibility" to make themselves better people, which I'd say is slim to none chances of happening in an american prison.
It's about keeping prisons full. The prison system is partly privatized and is a big source of income for corporations and political bodies - not only are prison owners payed per prisoner from the government, the prisoners also provide "free" slave labour for several companies such as Walmart and McDonald's. Americans who truly believe it's about the victims and their families getting retribution are desillusioned.
@@CR-dq1ch For people outside the United States, this directly relates to the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPT as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Slavery is 100% legal in America. Like in California, where inmates are paid $1.45 a day to fight fires, but are not allowed to become firefighters when they are released. America is trauma on top of trauma, and a large portion of the population will defend that crazy way of life till the day they die. Crazy.
@@Sisu_Snacks1917 Crazy is one word for it. Quite suitable.
its not their philosophy for their correctional facilitys to correct people. Its punishment for the act you did. But you also get alot of crazy neighbours this way
Social security is the key for low crime, if you have money you dont need to rob kill etc..
Oh and get this people actualy respect Police in finland because Police calls "suspects" customers and dosent arrest you for bogus stuff
Also this is somethign that has been worked on for 35 years. Our prisons used to look like american prison, then some guards was kille and we figured we had to do something. So we have been working since mid 80ties thinking of how we can improve the prison, both for the prisoners, the officers and at the same time lower the redivicion rate. Some things worked, some things didn't and we build on the things that worked. We also have a social security netverk that you don't have in the USA. The USA seems it's everyone for himself, unless we decide ourself to do charity. And the charity is always given to the so called "worthy people" . They got sick or loose their job withouth it beeing their faults etc. If you fucked up once, even if it's a minor things, you are pretty much screwed for life. Noone is going to help you, because you tagged a wall when you was 16.
Con educación, sanidad y seguridad social, la sociedad solo puede progresar. La inversión social de los países nórdicos es bien conocida.
Halden prison still operates like it did in 2014, it still works. The problem with the US is the mindset and zero trust problem. Ppl in Europe are usually more trusting towards each other, even prisoners.
Europe is more following Jesus. Forgive and help back on the right way. For some it is not possible but they are much fewer than some people think of. America is full in the old testament eye for eye, tooth for tooth mode without mercy.
@@mweskamppp Americans are religious. We in the Nordics aren't really that religious. And it's been studied that atheists are more sympathetic than christians. Don't bring Jesus to this...
@@oskar6747 Well, i consider it as one aspect. The americans always talk about Jesus but most of them live before the new testament. In europe the traditional churches still have lots of influence on the culture.
The retired American prison superintendent seems to be an angry man. Prisoners are also human and as was said in one of the comments,no one is born criminal.
He's actually invited the Norwegian prison chief to hold workshops and lectures in the US, and in videos from those, he seems pretty convinced of the efficacy of the Nordic model.
@@c99kfmHe was retired
No..he's not angry he is institutionalise. The difference is. He doesn't see it
IMHO The American Prison Superintendent seemed very closed minded
I agree, but he is a veteran in the US prison system. Suffice to say he's seen some shit.
@@Jmvars, yes, shit that system caused. He is willfully ignorant, and egotistical.
Not close-minded so much as arrogant. He came over with the mindset that his was is best and that's not up for debate. He came looking to poke holes in their system and reinforce his own beliefs.
This man sees the purpose of a prison as to punish wrongdoing. It's a primitive mindset. The purpose of a European prison is to be just one cog in the machine which reduces crime happening in the first place.
@@Jmvarshe’s a sadistic prick
@@icedreamer9629That is to be American
I live 25 minutes from the Norwegian prison in this video. There has not been a change in the Norwegian prison system that I'm aware of. Norway as a low crime rate, and we try to treat our prisoners humanly.
no one is born a criminal. But it does make a difference in which social group you are born. The quality of a society can also be judged by how it treats its weakest members
then why is there so much white collar crime? We just pick on poor people crimes because it's easy.
@@martinwoollett8468 the biggest problem in the US is the mindset prisoners and guards have. The mindset is everything, the mindset of this guy is sad. Zero trust in other humans just because they made a mistake. If u treat a person like an animal he is gonna become an animal and if u treat him like a human he is gonna do the same back. Who do u want living next to you ? The guy who got rehabilitated with a new profession or the guy who goes back to crime because he doesnt know anything else and struggle every day for money, that last guy is gonna be angry an get fed up and snap. Its just basic psychology
Some are born psychopaths, they are often criminals...
And prisoners are not weak, they just can not defend them self in no way. That makes you weak.
@@marsukarhu9477 very few are actually born psychopats, its so rare, its like 1% of the entire world population. Ppl become sociopaths because of abusive parents etc alot tho. But not in the Nordic countries cuz there are not rly anyone that struggles for there life to get by like many do in the US for example which is also why they have so many school shooters and serial killers etc
That laugh at 16:37 says it all in my opinion. It is about punishment and they enjoy it. The question every system has to answer is: What is the punishment for the prisoner? In modern systems the answer is, the denial of freedom. They can't decide how to live their life, they can't go to other places, etc. But in America the answer seems to be: Treat however you like because they do not deserve anything.
And these Americans are so fucking arrogant although it is obvious that their system is a complete failure. (see statistics in the beginning) And they still pretend to be superior to their Nordic counterparts... the only positive outcome in the US way is the sadistic satisfaction of the prison superintendents and the security of their workplace since nobody is able to get out of prison as a human... and therefore returns quickly.
You must have read my thoughts ;o). I had the same feeling with that laugh.
i completely agree, i feel disgust watching how they don't think of inmates as a fellow human, but scum that doesn't deserve any empathy or rights. the way they treat their prisoners is absolutely abhorrent.
The worst thing is that then you treat people like they're sub-human, that's what they become. The US prison system is designed to retain and return inmates because prisons are for profit. Yhey're forced labourers. There's no attempt to help people get better and turn their lives around, or even make them fit for society when they're released.
Half Finn/half Texan here. I've been stuck in the States for a couple decades now, and I have heard that same laugh from teachers and employers. Punishment is a way of life here, as is fear/distrust/anger. This place is truly crazy.
@@Sisu_Snacks1917 Sorry to hear that Nikolas. Wishing you a more relaxed future, wherever that may be.
The Norwegian prison system evolves around the idea of what kind of neighbour do you want. Since we don't have life sentences every inmate will eventually move out of prison one day and then become someones neighbour.
Absolutely. Things are quite similar here in Finland and the only thing I would change here in Finland is that your prison sentence cannot end until you have completed some kind of education (assuming they didn't have completed education before being sentenced to prison). Many criminals have such a poor education that they cannot succeed in life unless that part is fixed. If they stay in prison for e.g. 5 years and are then released without education and without a job, how on earth they can do anything sensible in their life? That would result in criminal life and another round in prison for sure.
The American prison system is tied to the concept of crime and punishment. These Nordic prison systems have moved away from this crude and unhelpful idea into one that takes people who currently don't fit into society and put them into an environment where they can learn to fit in rather than being stuck into a cycle of committing crimes, being sent to jail and then returning to a life of crime. People do that because it is either the only way they can support themselves or they simply don't know how to support themselves through other means. The thing is when you stop treating people with basic respect and continually punish them, you make them your enemy and once that mindset catches hold you will have an extremely hard time making any kind of progress in getting the inmate ready to rejoin society.
Something that James really didn't get was the thereputic aspects to these prisons. A lot of people who end up in prison do so because they have things like anger management problems and other psycological issues. Making music is one of the more positive ways you can release feelings like this that otherwise people tend to 'bottle up' until they can't control themselves anymore. I personally gravitated towards hard rock and heavy metal because it was a release for some of the issues I had but it is all down to the individual as to what works for them. These prisons are aiming to give them the tools to do just that.
One more thing to note is in most European countries institutions like prisons are not tied to the population of any one city. You will see prisons of various security levels which is the main criteria of who goes in there: the higher risk or more violent an inmate is the higher security prison they will go to. Think as if prisons were run a the federal level rather than the state level because a prison network in most nations is designed to serve a purpose for their country rather than just a city.
Agree with what you're saying. Also going to paste my answer to another comment to follow up on this:
It's about keeping prisons full. The prison system is partly privatized and is a big source of income for corporations and political bodies - not only are prison owners payed per prisoner from the government, the prisoners also provide "free" slave labour for several companies such as Walmart and McDonald's. Americans who truly believe it's about the victims and their families getting retribution are desillusioned.
@@CR-dq1ch A decade or so ago US army got most of its helmets and maybe flack jackets from prison industrial complex. IIRC, they stopped that practice though, because they were shoddily made.
It is the prisoners who need to change but the prison is giving them the tools for a better success. As for the guy who did not want to be seen on camera so that his mum would see him on tv. Isn't that a resonable question? It wasn't like he was threatning them, he was concerned and upset, they talked and it solved. Why do there need to be more then that in a situation that was not in any way or shape dangerous?
My belife is that humanity is important. If you treat people like a animal or worse then they will response like a animal or worse. How will this people be able to get back to society if the only thing they know is violance, inhumanity and so on.
And i get it is surprising for this guy, but consider the very much lower rate of prisoners comming back to the prison in the nordic countries then there is in the US, is speaking for it self. I don't think that US ever will be like here, but they can do better to get better results for the life after prison to work out better.
yes, completely agree...
I find it kind of funny that James had such a need to go tell his work buddy about the incident with the inmate who didn't want to be filmed. Just makes it seem like he _really_ needed affirmation that he was the one who was correct, and went to the place he knew he would get it.
It seems he didn't really understand that the prisons are mostly all focused on rehabilitation, not punishment. Lording your power over an inmate will just make them regress. It was completely natural that he didn't want to be filmed, and punishing him for it, whether that had to do with him wearing a hood or not, would just be a way to say his feelings don't matter, they have the power, the system doesn't care about him, and dehumanise him. No wonder it always seems to be "us vs them" in US prisons.
The difference is that in America the prisons are private and in Europe they aren't
Not correct!
"There are currently 158 private prisons in the United States and approximately 8% of incarcerated people are housed in private prisons.".
In my mind the american visiter did not get the problem at all. His views are kept behind mental bars like his priseners.
He would have to acknowledge that he was working for an evil system and became evil him self. Thats to hard
Several American prison officials and staff have visited Norwegian prisons since 2015 to learn from the Scandinavian model of criminal justice. They were impressed by how Norwegian prisons treat the inmates and how they facilitate rehabilitation and reintegration. Some of the states that have participated in the visits are California, Oregon, Washington, North Dakota, Alaska, Hawaii, Idaho, Rhode Island and New York. Some of these states have implemented some changes in their prisons based on the Norwegian principles, such as providing more dignity, autonomy and trust to the inmates, as well as more support and training to the staff. One example of such a change is the creation of a special unit called Little Scandinavia in SCI Chester prison in Pennsylvania, which mimics some of the features of Norwegian prisons, such as a kitchen, single cells, civilian clothes and closer supervision from the staff. The goal of these pilot projects is to create a more humane and effective prison system that reduces recidivism and improves health outcomes for both inmates and staff.
Nice Nordic perspective... giving some hope with real world examples. A crisp high-five for you.
Even we in the Nordic countries see why there are so many in prison in the USA. It starts with matters such as school and upbringing, if it fails on these points, then the path to prison is already shortened, and if you are also poor, then the path is shortened even more. And the final decision is either to leave school yourself or to be expelled due to external influences. Young people are easily influenced, and need to learn to take responsibility for what they do themselves. But if you don't have it in the "tool box", the road to a criminal career is short. SO that's why there are few people in prison in the Nordics, because you have a society that is not poor, that mostly has up-and-coming adults who want you to be able to get as many tools as possible in your tool box, because you get so old that you actually must take responsibility for yourself. This means that young people and adults have every opportunity to do well in life. BUT we, like everywhere else, have drugs that are easily available, and if you have a bad period for one reason or another, there is a chance that you will try drugs. Another reason could be bad family relationships, where the mother is not around and the father drinks, or vice versa. Then, too, the road to a criminal career is short. But as shown here, it can be reversed, only the person in question realizes it himself. Otherwise you will come back sooner or later!!
for me it's not so much about individual prisoners having a good time, many criminals would deserve harsher treatment, but society has a greater interest and that is to reduce crime in society, if more humane prisons lead to fewer crimes then humane prisons are right thing to do.
In Finland pretty much all prisons are away from bigger cities. I mean.. why would you put them close to such places, there is so much space in the country. Stockholm has a prison but it is away from the center and it is fairly small. Having them in smaller towns also gives the towns some income, it provides jobs.
The States are kind of scary when it comes to their punishment mentality or rather "revenge" mentality. "You hurt me or my relative and now I want to see you suffer".
Unless these inmates are executed or inprisoned for life they will at some point be released into society again. At that point what kind of released inmate do want to deal with in your neighborhood? The one that was treated as a human, with respect and decency or the one that got trampled upon and treated like dirt?
USA maybe abolished slavery and gave women right to vote but if you look closer they still neck-deep in the 18th century.
But there is one thing about recidivism. If it is 40 % lower that also means you have 40 % less future victims. It count double and is a protection for the civilian. And it is not "soft", it is simply humane. In Belgium, if you have a short sentence, say 2 years, you can leave in the morning, take your car, go to work and come back in the evening. So you don't him loose his job. Is that soft? No that is smart. And you said it : it is a different world, but the whole of Europe is in many senses.
I haven't seen the whole video yet but this man makes me so mad! "Is it the prison's job to change the inmates or is it the inmate's job to change themselves?" Said by a man who ran a prison where inmates have to fear for their safety and are forced to join a gang or be victimized the moment they walk through the door. How does that environment afford anyone the opportunity for self reflection? Of course it's the inmate's job to change themselves but why the fuck would you as the warden not think it's your job to help them in the process? Or even more importantly to make sure that they are housed in an environment where they don't have to contend with violence every day? I'd like to see you working on "bettering yourself" in that situation. What a waste of a human being!
We don't have a larger prison in Sweden, Kumla is the biggest and also national reception unit so everyone will pass through there and then be placed. Most of our high security prisons are old hospitals and located in the outskirts of towns, and inmates are placed with no regard to where they used to live. Your sentence, network and behaviour decide where you serve your time.
In the states it seems to be about stripping people of there dignity and individuality. Problem with that is, it is so much harder for the inmates to adjust to normal life after. They have been filled with the notion that they are not worth anything. That no one will believe them and that no one will ever respect them. There is no helping them, to evolve in to better people.
As far as I know there are no private prisons in Scandinavia unlike the US. There is no interest in getting repeat customers event though those exists. That might explain the diffenrence in the mindset as well.
The American superintendent honestly creeped me out! I do to a degree understand seeing prison time mainly as a punishment and wanting to punish violent criminals, but he seems downright sadistic! He also seems to forget that not every single inmate *is* a violent criminal! Does he think that someone who's in prison for being caught smoking pot should be treated the same way as someone who's commited murder? That a shoplifter should be treated the same way as a rapist? Not to mention, not all who are in prison are actually guilty, there has been times where an innocent person has been wrongfully convicted, whether it's a case of mistaken identity or downright being framed for a crime! Let's not pretend that's unheard of!
Having your freedom taken away never feels good. Just think how everybody felt during covid...being locked up in the comfort of your own home already felt like punishment for most of us
unless you are introvert, then it was heavenly time
I want to stress that Kumla (Sweden) shown in the video is one of the main max.sec. prisons in Sweden. The population is low enough to have centralized prisons in the Nordics. There is no such thing as "prison of Stockholm" etc. Ofc there are many small correctional facilities dotted across the country but Kumla is THE prison for hard boiled criminals in Sweden.
30:00 Kumla is the biggest prison in Sweden
I love travelling with you Dar!! It’s soothing. Be great to find a follow up to this video.
We dont have alot of incidents in denmark, I have a friend working there.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the reoffending rates of people released from Attica compared with those of people released from Halden.
Overall, Nordic recidivism is one third of USA but it is difficult to assess since they report differently.
In short: We, In the nordic countries, treat prisoner as the humans they are, not animals. Actually we have laws, to make sure animals are treated better. US prisoners are treated worse. How can anyone expect a US prisoner to come out of a hell hole prison, and be a better person? Educating them how ever will. Respecting them will. Give the a chance to prove them selves will. Beating on them won't. But I hear you say... If a prisoner has a 10 year sentence, he or she, then have a minimum 6-7 years to improve them selfs. And here in Denmark at least we have a sentence called "Forvaring". It means that the person is in prison until they either has improved enough to not be a danger to society or is dead.
Exactly the same here in Norway, that's what Anders B Breivik got after killing all those kids. He got 21 years, but he will probably die in prison because most violent criminal would send him straight to hell if they ever saw him. He is the most hated man in Norway since Vidkun Quisling...
2:21 the US was trending towards 1000 people 100 000, aka 1% (!) of the population at some point, one of the best things Obama did was reverse that trend.
How to Get less prisoner: free school, free health care, actual payments for a job. Social security for yourself and family
There’s I think one principle for this kind of prisons, you want to have tax paying citizens that contribute to society and not money leaches. And the retired guy doesn’t understand that this is a different country with different lifestyle. You can clearly see the paranoia in the Jame’s eyes.
From societal standpoint what good is revenge if it doesnt prevent future crimes where as rehabilitation does? Of course some some cases cannot be rehabilitated, but they should have their own program.
That's the problem with American politics and to a degree Americans at large. They're not willing to learn from others, his quote "with a unlimited budget their model might be fine, BUT THEY WILL HAVE A INCIDENT DOWN THE LINE AND HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES" mate. Norway is over a thousand years old. The US is what, 300? Norwegian prison USED to look like the American ones. But riots, murder of correctional officers and high recidivism rates made police, politicians and prison wardens re-evaluate the prison system, halden is the ultimate child of this re-evaluation, riots have disappeared, officer killings have disappeared and suicides have almost disappeared. Recidivism rates dropped to 20%, from almost the same the US has at 80% this is being AHEAD in prison system ideology, not behind. Its not that Norway hasn't faced the same issues and not had to solve them yet. Its that they solved it better, and differently
Fascinating video, thanks Dar
"I've no responsibility for you, you're here due to your own actions." He might as well just have said "fuck you, I can do whatever I want to you." Though I think that kind of honesty would get him sued by several human rights organisations. He should be thrown in his own jail for his own lack of empathy and then, like everyone else with no empathy, would whine like a stricken sow because they got treated after the same standard they treated others.
What a disgusting waste of air someone might need in the future. He even thinks that he's caring. He should watch, "Are We the Baddies?"
So over here, there isn't a prison in every city, so where you're from has no impact where you serve. You may serve in Trondheim even if you're from Oslo - 7 hrs away by car
When you are confronted with the possibility that you might have done something wrong to thousands of people, I believe you would be hostile and sceptical to. He has to believe that he was doing the right thing. If the Scandinavian System is the better one, he'd be on the wrong side of the bars.
Indeed, no one thinks, "Am I the Baddie?"
What most Americans don't realise is that prisons in the US are a bussiness:The governement pays a certain amount per day per inmate:No wonder you guys have the highest number of inmates...money talks!
27:25 again comes down to education. To become a prison guard in Norway is actually hard. You need to go to university for it. Its not like a 4 week security guard course you take, and thats it
If I commit a crime and I get thrown in jail for it, let's say for 2 years. If I'm treated like garbage and not as a human, and then released after 2 years, wont I be more of a risk to society due to my psychological and mental status that's worsened over the 2 years than what risk I had at the time I commited the crime? They're still human beings. Why is the US and many other countries treating them like they aren't and then expecting them to be human beings when we release them back into society? If you treat someone like they aren't human.. Don't be suprised if they start acting the way you treat them.
They found the most arrogant ass from the US to do this. He's not even listening to the people who are talking to him. He doesn't care. He's so stuck on his own system, despite it being inferior to theirs and he's not budging. I feel bad for American inmates. Some of them even get falsely accused and end up in prison which seems like hell. They come to prison as decent humans and leave as actual criminals, and then they're back to prison in a month.
It is a big question, for a nation, if you want to just punish criminals, or try to rehabilitate them.
In my view, prisons are there for punisment and rehabilitation. The punishment is the time you are in prison. The rehabilitation is what you should do in that time. I draw the line that the time must be served inside the walls of the prison. I saw some Norwegion dude with a life sentence setting up a company and doing a study in IT outside the maximum security prison. He even had a car that he drove himself. That is in my view, taking it too far. But otherwise, I am all for rehabilitation.
Thing is, people need love, especially people who made bad decisions, everyone deserves a 2nd chance, the majority will respond in a positive way, of course a small percentage will try to take advantage, but most will not. More love for everyone
i spent time in minimal security and maximum security prison in norway. it wasnt bad. the minimum security was almost like a holiday without a cell phone. even though i worked at a wood packing plant for 2weeks while i was there. i was allowed to have my phone during the work day...
We have some older and harder Prisons in Norway where the inmates are locked in the most of the time. Except for School or Education. Oslo Prison is a rough place to bee, where the most of the Prisoners come from outside Scandinavia .
Well I hope they will change something very soon!! Treat the inmates as human beings and that will change their behavior..
Prison utopia?
They havent even a Swimmingpool!
12 years in the case of Halden Maximum Security, still working just fine...
James is just pure evil!OMG,have a heart..😓
Yea I dont think they can Just simply change the existing Prisons in the US. Maybee if a New Prison was changed into somethign more like this it could work in the US also, If no repeat Prisoners are sent there. thats just my thoghts tho.
and how good is the system in usa works? not at all
In the U.S it's business and it's supposed to be making money, not helping inmates. Slave labor.
In USA did try this, "little scandinavia"
I get the american...yet if you punish a rpisoner harshley, you will only create hate and irritation. The prisoner will think one day I'll get you back. But some criminals I think should not be helped at all.
We know that rehabilitation works better than punishment, the ONLY evidence correlated to this points to punishment NOT working, death penalties, isolation and all other kinds of punishment. Even in raising kids it has been proven over and over that punishment doesn't actually do jack shit to teach someone good values, only how to not get caught. But, if you show a child that doing the right thing will lead to good things while doing "bad" things will lead to consequenses (not handed out by the parents) they will naturally learn how to make decisions that work for most parties. Example, do your homework now OR ELSE is a short term fix that will lead to behavioural issues down the line and make the kids do their homework half assed. If you tell them "if you do it now you'll have more time for gaming this weekend, and if you don't, you won't have time" they learn how to prioritize independently. Simple example, but it works the exact same with rehabilitating adults. You make people want to change by showing them how life could be. You don't scare them off of bad behaviour by showing them the world is shit, because why would u care about fitting into a society that treats you like garbage?
It's so bad ESPECIALLY in the US where not only are you punsihed with insane amounts of time for whatever crimes, but you're treated like shit and when you're out you can't get a job to move on from your life of crime. The only people who talk to you like you're an equal are other inmates, so you make criminal connections. They LITERALLY set you up to fail, AND while you're an inmate, you're literally a slave for some big companies.
My brother went to a low security prison in Sweden for beating a guy up, for a year. He got to take the bus to school everyday where he got taught carpentry, so that once he got out he could get a job. He went to prison and gained a future he would have never had if he didn't, since he'd still be uneducated, doing drugs and hanging out with motorcycle gang members. He is now a carpenter with a horse ranch living in a manor with his girlfriend and two daughters. You are not allowed to refuse someone a job simply because they've been in prison here. Only if the crime is relevant. Say crimes against children if you apply for a job in child care.
Nice in norway ❤prison life good here
I notice they don't discuss exploitative work that some prisons have....
This guy is such a great example for what is wrong with the United States prison system ..... He thinks of himself as better as the inmates. He probably has a very black and white few of reality that either one is a good person or one is a horrible person.... That there are nuances to that he can't accept or that people maybe sometimes are in bad situations and do stupid stuff that they regret after but over all they aren't bad people and that with some help they can become a valuable part of society ..... Beeinf stript from ones freedoms is the punishment and then there one should get help to become. A better person and to face ones problems to be able to go back to society. Of course if this guy works in a prison and has the mindset everyone is dangerous and everything will be used as a weapon then thats what's gone happen especially of he acts as if he is better. If you treat people like animals they gonna behave like that as well sooner or later.
In scandinavia all prisons are financed by the State.
The inmates is already been punished by the judge - what is the meaning off punnishing them further by making their every day as bad as possible. What kind of People do you want back into society. 🤷♀️
It works.
The same system still in play. Prisoners are people too.
There is a years and years going conversation going on about how strict or how humane prisons should be in nordic countries. Its a controversial subject and hard to pinpoint any correct answer, and maybe everyone needs a bit different time out to make them think, dunno. And as long there is discussions, there is hope for better system. Gotta keep thinking.
The American really annoyed me, lack of empathy and an arrogant but angry person. Their system is a huge failure.
about the part, look in the mirror, while true, i feel as an nordic citizen he is way to emotional invested into it, while it seems america wants revenge and such things, wich has with emtions to do, we in nordic look at statics and determine after that wich is the best approch, feelings and emotions should not govern how a soceity is run, and that covers all aspects of soceity, even prisons and criminals .
also while hoping a criminal want to change themself for the better, i think thats the wrong mindset, criminals sometimes dont know any other life, hence why you in a way force them to change for the better , force kindness on them.
That’s not even the most insane prison escape.
There were one with a helicopter landed and 2 guys forcibly scaled 2 big fences jumped into the hovering helicopter. And escaped. It took less than 90 seconds. They found the helicopter burning 1 hour later in a remote forest.
React to Ann vidicum in Halden prison i Norway (The World’s most luxurious prison | 2020 Documentary ) 🙏🙏👍😁👍🇳🇴
@Dar The Traveler Kumla is called "The Bunker". Fun fact, did you know that in Sweden it's NOT illegal to escape from prison.. :)
I need to know more of the prison break from 2004 lol interesting fact
Strip people of their humanity and they are more likely to commit inhumane acts. Teach people how to be human and they are more likely to act humanely, simple as that.
And if they are treated like shit, they will never feel bad about whatever crime they committed because it can start feeling justified due to disproportionate punishment. Meanwhile treating them fairly makes them feel bad about whatever crime the committed, since it's obvious who was in the wrong.
it all starts with proper mental health care .. the less crazy ppl you leave running around unchecked the less criminals you have. I think its telling that they show prisons from Norway, Sweden and Finland but not Denmark. I hope the reason is that danish prisons are less soft
It was so clear that this american just sees his prisoners as packets, or meat who should obey at all times. No empathy whatsoever, and no interest in making inmates want to change. He was pretty much what I expected to see, only he was more open about it than I thought. His tactic is to try to dominate the inmate into fitting in society. How did that work for you? Which country has the most inmates? Do they respond well to oppression and threats? Do you think they become "better people" after a stint in your prison? Do you think for a second that they will learn something useful? Nope. Just more criminal stuff learnt from other inmates, hate, violence, hopelessness. I just doesn't work. How would you feel in that situation? Hopeless and helpless.
Unlimited budget, well we dont have to pay for the profit to the prison owners.
Frist to Comment. keep up the good work and keep eating Ostkaka. :)
It could have been useful to show some figures of number of inmates, crime rate and reoffending percentages.....things like that. Maybe the troglodyte believes in numbers. But he'll probably claim it's false. That seem to be popular nowadays.
If you stop treating inmates as humans then most will not act like humans when they get out.
The nordic system only works with people that are in the nordic thinking.
Excuses and excuses… it would be possible to change ONE PRISON and after a while evaluate the statistics of the US inmates behavior, to see if they are able to adapt!!
Its only my opinion for what it's worth but the whole system of society comes into play. America has a system of government who will always put profit over people. If you are dirt poor you have to struggle for what is basic human necessities. Food,shelter,basic health care, education etc.its easy to understand a group of people who have grown up learning how to manipulate to stay alive. The American can't fathom a system that looks after everyone so can't fathom why he wouldn't treat everyone like crap. I don't begin to think the us prison system could be reformed overnight but small gradual changes could be made . But it never will happen while prisons are a private for profit organisation run by people who only see profits. That superintendent would be sitting waiting for the first little hiccup to ride off and reform. They need new leaders with proper education. Why is it that American prison guards receive absolute minimal training and education and they expect prisoners to change their ways. Its not the guards fault. Its no different to American police who receive very little training and regulations in comparison to countries that have a lot better police civilian interactions.
That superintendet is unhuman. Look at the stats. If u educate the prisoner and give them a chance to rehalibitate to society. They will wannt to do good. U.S prisons suck
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And then there's the American Prison Complex. One cannot compare, let me say Nordic or (Western) European, prison systems where the societies as such are very different. And there's this stupid "War on Drugs", racial profiling, policing in general and even the (in-) justice system in the US what's reminds me of authoritarianism and not of a "Western like" democracy. Which is even failing in Europe when it comes to justice. But that's a whole different story. The US is a poster boy on its own for its own, because it exists in its very own setup/framework. Humanism and some sort of "public control" is setting up what's happening here and, of course, science. Where in the US the "All mighty Dollar" is behind everything and crucial control as well as "hilarious" conditions under people have to live (Not only prisoners, which are still humans with needs!). Looking at The States by now I really get worried where it's going further. Further to fully control people by policing and jailing them for ten years for minor reasons. Making it nearly impossible to earn enough money to live of and producing more and more problems, criminals, to feed the Industrial Prison Complex? I actually don't want to compare these two worlds, but I did it too. The US produces its own problems to solve these problems by only using cruel force and oppressive measures. That's going nowhere but to a heavy radicalized nation, who's living under a more and more oppressive regime, producing violence on both sides and falling apart entirely at one time in a "clash of the masses". It's not ONE aspect of what we should focus on, here the prison systems compared to eachother. It's the whole view on governing, the "Menschenbild", how we cope with people who got in trouble and became a criminal, that beyond punishment. US "exeptionalism" is only good for those who live OF the system, not for those who have to live IN the system.
It’s not wrong to be humane!!
Why do you have so many channels all posting the same videos?
Many prisons in the USA are run for profit. So their sadistic treatment of prisoners maximises profits for the scary corporations and companies that run them.
Also in the southern states of the USA black people, the mentally ill or intellectually disabled and of course drug users form the majority of the prison population. And I find it horrifying that these people are put into chain gangs and forced to do degrading work that makes huge profits both for the owners of these hellholes and the companies who use this forced labour. I have a huge question about this.
I ask if slavery really ever ended in the United States?
Or did it just become even more profitable?
Leader of the free world my arse!
I think the inmates are waaaay more problematic in the us. Way more mental health problems. Pretty much no hope for people like that.
Finnish ppl wait I am in prison?
my opinion about this is that yes prison should be a punishment (play stupid games win stupid prices) but with that said they should offer rehabilitation for the ones who wants to change their lifes, and yes criminals are notoriously known for lying and beeing eye servents when there is something to gain for them while they are in prison. so that rises the question who is honest when they say they want to change their lifes, beacuse as i see it if there is someone who is not honest about that it takes away time and effort for the ones who really want it.
Not that our systeme is perfect but if the US system was the better system then you would have less crime
Someone need to relieve James of his duty. He obviously believe himself to be above the hunans he is redponsible for as a prison warden.
Anyway tjis is tyoical Americdn; make everything a business, take humanity away and continue to ignore statistics.
Talking about unlimited budget.. then again, how much current prison model and emprisoment culture costs to amercan tax payers in money and in human cost...
if he visited today it would be different, old times
Different how?
No it wouldn't. I just watched a video on this prison posted about a month ago from 2023. It improved even more. 😂😂😂
came up with a wonderful reaction as soon as I saw the mouth start to move for this host's inputs, I simply muted the sound, then suddenly it was seeable this doc. next time, please look for this documentary with any host stating that there are ZERO commentaries, why can't Americans simply teach without having to put their own (for the case) totally uninteresting sound bites into whatever they are promoting, all... the... time!? Hilarious! ROFLMAO!